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Why didn't more shonen follow the example of FMA? >tight

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Why didn't more shonen follow the example of FMA?
>tight narrative with clear ending in sight, doesn't overstays his welcome, doesn't become formulaic
>deals with serious themes instead of being a juvenile power fantasy about becoming pirate king/hokage/whatever
>main character isn't the usual one notebloud, mentally retarded underdog that talks big
>combat is secondary to the narrative and not the focus
>world and secondary characters are fleshed out and grounded, everything doesn't revolve around the main characters
>actions have real consequences, doesn't shy away from deaths or abuse reset buttons
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Because last time I checked there's still money running in the printing industry.
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I think Kenshin was one of the better shonen manga. Many times, the battle of swords was a proxy for the battle of philospohies/ideologies.
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>>153917825
Ed not being an Idiot Hero is one of my favorite things about the series. I really hate that shonen series think that the best way to write their characters is as an imbecile.
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>>153917825
Because you only get one FMA, everything else comes and goes.
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>>153917825

>you will never watch FMA for the first time again
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>>153918982
FMA did a shitload of money.
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Because producers realize that if you prolong the series you'll make more money

Also, FMA is kind of overrated. Just watched it for the first time through the past two months.
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>>153918982
But FMA did a shitload of money.
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I went with FMAB instead of FMA2003. Did I fuck up?

I kind of wish I liked the dub, so I could look at other shit in other tabs
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I felt Bradley only getting one life was a bad copout. He was sold as fuckhuge strong, but Father didn't have the foresight to give him more lives? Bullshit.
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>>153919190
It's hugely overrated. Just like Haruhi. There's a whole bunch from that time period that got dubs, so the American anime base went bananas over them
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>>153919198
Yes.

2003 is an absolute masterpiece and what everyone recommends and Brotherhood is a blatant hackjob of the manga. 2003 is actually better than the manga.
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>>153919241
The real answer is that both are fine and neither is great
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>>153919198
2003 has a very different tone and takes a different ending, which sacrifices many characters' plots and character arcs leaving them dangling. However, it has better pacing at the beginning and the mood it does establish is very strong. I prefer FMAB simply because more characters involved actually accomplish things and everyone, even a shithead like Yorki, gets a moment to stand out.
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>>153919241
2003 is bad fanfiction you mean
Brotherhood is the objectively superior version
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>>153919241
2003fags are the worst.
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>>153919190
>>153919228

You mean FMA or FMAB being overrated?
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Call me a SJW or whatever but I think most female manga writers tend to write more solid stories than most male ones.
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>>153919198
FMAB is the one faithful to the manga, storywise it's the better one. The other anime is good and you should watch it, but the story is literally fanfiction with the stupidest ending ever
>>153919203
It was because his philosopher stone was made with only one soul, it was necessary in order to make him grow old and pretend he was a normal human
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>>153919190
>FMA is overrated

Yes it is. Brotherhood is a masterpiece, though.
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>>153919228
Both Haruhi and FMA are masterpieces that stand the test of time.
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>>153919292
Both

The 00's was a fucking wasteland when it came to quality anime. The decades before and after are much superior
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>>153919292
I only watched FMAB. It was overrated.
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>>153919198
>>153919241
No, both are fun to watch, and good in different ways.
I would admit that watching FMA03 first and then FMAB made the whole experience better (I watched both while they aired).
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>>153917825
Because it's an old school shoujo dressed up in shonen art style.
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>>153919330
I bet you were in an anime club
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>>153919320
And no one though to give him another in case of emergency? Also, he had one right before his last duel with Scar and didn't use it: cop out.
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>>153919337
>The 00's was a fucking wasteland when it came to quality anime.
Neo-/a/
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>>153919327
>>153919330
No. Why is a masterpiece?

I understand it was well-paced and had solid characters. I think the fact that it had good focus on the overarching story was one of its strong points.

But at the end of the day it didn't wow me like a masterpiece would (like Eva for example).
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>>153919337
>>153919358
I hear all this about being overrated, which means that people rate it much more highly than you do. Why is that so. What aspects of it did you find overrated?
Being called one of the best shounen ever? Disagreeing with the points OP made? Curious to know your reasoning.
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>>153919378
I'm not even american and I watched both years after they were finished.
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>>153919320
>It was because his philosopher stone was made with only one soul

I don't know how you got that. It was because Wrath was made by infusing a Philosopher's Stone into a human. Father was trying to recreate what happened with him and Hohenheim, but failed, much like with Gluttony and the false portal. Greed would have eventually aged, too.
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>>153919337
This guy.
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>>153917825
Because teenage boys prefer battle shounen to a story which revolves around a political drama? Don't get me wrong, FMA is one of a kind. But it doesn't print as much money and requires a lot of effort to write a more intricate story.
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>>153919435
It's just an average shounen that was part of a small pool of decent stuff during the majority of /a/'s formative years
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>>153917825
>Why aren't more shows 8/10 or better
>why aren't more films as good as stuff by Scorsese, Coppola ect.
>what is Sturgeon's law
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>>153919435
It lacks the depth of other shows that I consider masterpieces. Maybe I'm just critiquing a children's show too harshly.
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>>153919523
Average shounen? What would be above average shounen to you then? HxH? OP?
Also, /a/ might like it because of the reason you said. Why does the rest of the world at different times like it as well then?
>>153919577
Such as? Eva? Mushishi? Your second line says it all, its meant to be a shounen that in my opinion did its bit, and then some.
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>>153917825
FMA is not better or worse than lot of action shonen going right now, its just back then people liked action shounens.

If FMA was being published now for the first time people would call it edgy shit, Ed would be considered a gary stu moralfag, red Kirito, and the anime version in the best of cases would go under the radar, because it would only last 12 episodes and would only cover the first few volumes anyway. Also people on a would be to bussy discussing that show with angel android girls going shoping.
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>>153919705
>FMA is not better or worse than lot of action shonen going right now
Kill yourself.
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>>153919705
I agree that FMA wouldn't have succeeded nearly as much if it came out now or in the past 2-3 years. It is still miles better than action shonen going on right now, its not nearly edgy enough to be called edgy shit, and Ed being red Kirito invalidates the rest of your argument.
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>>153919821
>>153919705
Are you people this autistic or have you not heard of OPM/AOT
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>>153919305
I think they have a tendency, in this industry at least, to have an entire story and plot in mind start to finish before they even begin. While it seems like a lot of male artists will start with a concept and go from there. Shonen is the worst when it comes to this. So many cool ideas with half assed executions.

But at the same time I'm just talking out my ass
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>>153919897
Lol. Simply epic.
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>>153919897
Kek, is OPM/AOT airing right now?

No one fucking talked about OPM before it got its manga, and AOT is in ayy lmao territory.
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>kids comic
>juvenile
Oh no think of the children!
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When did we stop mocking people for acting like shounen was a genre?
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>>153919098
Yeah, when it's done properly it can be endearing (like when it's a phase and you see a teenage MC growing up and leaving his/hers naivety/simplistic view of the world behind), but far too often the MC is born an idiot and stays an idiot even when they marry and have children. Truly terrifying.
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>>153919469
> It was because Wrath was made by infusing a Philosopher's Stone into a human
yes
>Father was trying to recreate what happened with him and Hohenheim, but failed, much like with Gluttony and the false portal. Greed would have eventually aged, too.
no, the souls in the stone fought for control and in the end one beat the other ones and took control, Bradley didn't even know if he was the original soul to the body or if he took it from someone
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Magical Nazis
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FMA felt like it was permanently in the first arc of a series. It's clear that the author didn't know what the next step was going to be, so she just wrapped up the story the way it started with no real surprises in between.

This is why FMA, while good, is so fucking forgettable. While series like One Piece see Luffy go from a bum to a renowned warlord with entire fleets at his helm, FMA is just Ed and Al looking to unfuck themselves. And then they beat up some weirdos and unfuck themselves. Everything in between might as well never have happened.
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>>153920045
Nobody said it's a genre.
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>>153920203
I seriously hope this is bait.
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>>153919968
Do you need to move the goal post this far? Or is this just how you admit your opinion is fundamentally broken.
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>muh ideals
The fact that every good character acted like some selfless saint was boring in FMA(B). None of the character flaws besides Ed's (selfish for attempting human transmutation) had any impact - and that didn't even happen in the show.

Hoenheim especially pisses me off.
>take MY body and save Al!
>it was MY fault you guys turned out shitty
>self-flagellate, self-flagellate, self-flagellate

The fact that we're supposed to believe every single character is just some uber good, selfless saint and manage to defeat the big bad evil with the power of ~teamwork~ is so, so uninteresting
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>>153920241
No, just conversed like it was, as though all shounen manga can be compared and share the same upsides.
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>>153920293
Not really. Claiming OPM and AoT are as good as FMAB is an insult.
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The absolute best thing about the series is the consistent powerlevels.

Everyone remains at a similar powerlevel for the entire thing. There are small bumps here and there, but nothing that beggars belief.
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>>153920286
>>153920372
Seems that nostalgia goggles have upgraded to encompass shit from 2004 now

Or maybe younger people just grew into them
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>>153920334
Oh, Scar was good. Probably the best character in the show - forgot about him.
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>>153920440
>calling FMAB shit from 2004

Contrarian /a/ everyone.
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>>153920334
That is a flaw and I'll accept it, but for the limited size that FMAB ran, its difficult to portray the good characters having flaws.
Or maybe the author just didn't know how to do that.
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>>153920440
Someone that praises One Piece and says that FMA didn't feel thought out and ended abruptly clearly should never be allowed to state any opinion about written fiction and storytelling in general.
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>>153919821
>not nearly edgy enough to be called edgy shit
Even things like Youjo senki are being called edgy

>Ed being red Kirito
I'd never say Ed being Kirito, I say, nowdays people would call Ed and red Kirito. Because the same way at the slightest shown of blood or agnst the show is authomatically labeled as "edgy" the very moment a MC shows the slightest atism of competence its labeled as oniisama tier gary stu.
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>>153920540
There's being hipster and then there's saying One Piece doesn't deserve praise in any area whatsoever, especially when compared to contemporary shonen
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FMA needed more fights, that scene where Al uses the power of the stone to fight that homunculus was one of the highlights of the series.

Also they could have expanded on Alkahestry and how it worked, it made no sense that Hohenheim helped created yet Father knew nothing about it despite the fact that all the knowledge of Hohenheim held was given to him by Father.

Also barely any not state alchemist were shown.
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>>153920522
You mean 64 episodes?
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>>153920606
>One Piece doesn't deserve praise
It's not a crime to like One Piece, but claiming that it deserves a praise... Far off, far off...
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>combat is secondary to the narrative and not the focus

Then it's boring, pass.
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>>153920606
One Piece is everything that is wrong with battle shonen, while FMA is one of the few works in the genre to have actual value, and that's partially because it purposely ignores most of its unwritten rules.
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>>153920840
Totally man, any manga could stumble into getting a Guinness world record for number of volumes sold
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>>153917825
Why do you care? Just read things that aren't shounen battle manga.
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>>153920919
>ad populum
Couldn't expect more from Onepissfags really.
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>>153920873
You are doing this only to trigger us.
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>>153920372
That's not what I'm saying. I was replying to someone who said fmab/fma wouldn't be as successful today
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>>153921063
That alone is worthy of praise, claiming it's done nothing of worth its pure contrarianism
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>>153920571
If you mean neo /a/ and not yourself, then you're right.
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>>153921141
>selling a lot is something of value and praiseworthy
We aren't a fucking business here, it's literally irrelevant.
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>>153919577
that's basically how I see it too. It's a perfectly executed show with no ambition. It may be entertaining but it's certainly not going to stick with you or affect you in any other way then "well I suppose that was fun to watch"
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>>153920747
64 isn't that long for long-running shounen. But yes, definitely an author thing, as its originally a manga adaptation.
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>>153921223
Yeah OK.

Hey I found the perfect anime. It's 5 seconds long but at least there's no filler right.
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>>153917825
Because not everyone wants to have some deep meaningful bullshit
Sometimes people want to just have some mindless lightshow fights for fun
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>>153920873
Fights are more boring than watching little girls drink tea. Especially when the fight lasts multiple episodes and is filled with exposition.
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>>153921223
It clearly has ambition. It deals with grief, sin, atonement, war, seek of knowledge and the nature of men and god, and handles its themes with maturity.
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>>153921348
You jest, but Inferno Cop is significantly better and more memorable than FMA
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>>153921726
You can say it "deals" with those themes with the same grace that a 15 year old would deal with them.

Fun show but it's by all accounts not a deep one.
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>>153921978
No, as I said, it deals with them with maturity.
Weren't you the one that brought up Evangelion?
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>>153917825
>tfw no Riza to shoot me if I stray from the right path
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>>153921978
What does it mean when a show is "deep"? Can you give an example and explain why?
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>>153920440
Can't tell if casualfag, or bait.
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>>153917825
was any of fullmetal done with cel animation?
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>>153919821
>not nearly edgy enough to be called edgy shit

Don't you know? Anything that shows even a drip of blood and anything remotely resembling moral ambiguity is edgy now.
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