Why can't Nips make good sci-fi? Aside from a couple exceptions

>>153760682
>excuse to have giant mecha fights with some barebones no-effort world building tacked on

Because they are toy commercials

>>153760682
>Japanese people
>Asian people
>creative

nope

their fantasy stories are terrible too, most of the time, especially when they western-fantasy based

>>153760682
>most anime "science fiction" is just an excuse to have giant mecha fights with some barebones no-effort world building tacked on.

That's "space opera."

>>153760682
>all sci-fi anime/manga is mecha
Watch more, read more, the end.

Japs just suck at world building in general, and it matters in sci-fi more than any other genre. It's not like fantasy where you can just copy and paste Tolkien folklore and make everything cuter.

>>153760780
This. Gundam has been a toy commercial since 1979. Some of the commercials are 50 episodes long and worth watching, but they are still toy commercials.

Also nips have really shit taste, be glad it's not all "monster girl harem in space"

Sci-fi is a pretty dead genre in general. Is anime really any worse

>>153760682
Imagination and wonder are not honorable and looked down upon in nippon society

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>>153761187
Monster girls in space actually sounds pretty cool.

You can't really do hard sci-fi in anime because it doesn't appeal to weebs very much

>less escapism, more grounded in harsh reality
>future values will probably not include "muh purity"
>focus on technology and worldbuilding steals screentime from cool shonen fights and cute girls

>>153761075
Add sci-fi elements to cuter Tolien folklore. Done.

>>153761572
>Foundation series
>by Kyoani

>>153762125
I'd even buy the BDs.

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>>153760682
Literally when did any country give a fuck about making hard sci fi

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Someday.

>>153760682
Most sci-fi is plain space opera. News at eleven.

>>153761572
> You can't really do hard sci-fi in anime because it doesn't appeal to weebs
>anime is made for weebs
Are you retarded?

>>153761350
>Is anime really any worse
Nope, this is pretty much the same shit as when people whine about horror anime.

Japan is good at soft sci-fi, which is about how the setting affects the lives of people. Japan doesn't care as much about hard sci-fi, which is trying to create a world that theoretically could really happen.

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>>153762087

It actually has been done, yes.

>>153760682
Yes yes, now tell me how star wars and star trek are the best thing ever.

>>153763031
>THE HIDEOUS STRENGTH
>THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH
It activated my autism.

>>153763087
"That Hideous Strength" is the correct title

out of the silent planet was the first thing to get me into sci fi, I think. That and Starfox.

>>153763064
Lensman>>>>gook shit

>>153763129
Yeah, I kinda figured when "that" appeared twice, while "the" appeared once. Are those books any good?

>>153763200
I've only read Out of the Silent Planet. It's good, but it's very vintage. Think closer to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea than something by Clarke or Asimov. It's got quite a bit of religious allegory like a lot of Lewis stuff, but it's in the same vein as Narnia, if that makes any sense.

>>153763313
You didn't like it enough to read the second book, or there was another reason?

>>153761572
>>focus on technology and worldbuilding steals screentime from cool shonen fights and cute girls

except proper world building would actually allow for more of that.

>>153763183
I hate to engage a shitposter, but you are aware there is a Lensman anime, right?

>>153763442
Read it a long time ago when I was younger, never got around to reading the other two. No particular reason.

>>153763673
Oh, I see. Maybe I'll give it a read, anon. Thanks.

inb4 LoG screenshots

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>>153760682
Oh wow. Searched for sci-fi anime on google and I'm dying.

>>153761472
no it fuckin doesn't

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>>153763936
It does to me.

>>153764640
Try not to overdose on stale memes, friend.

>>153760682
Since you never specified anime, I find it hard to believe that Japan has no notable science fiction literature but I don't know enough to definitely claim anything. I just would like to point out that real hard science fiction has always been the realm of novels and rarely visual mediums in any culture, so your sole mention anime is odd.

>>153761075
>It's not like fantasy where you can just copy and paste Tolkien folklore and make everything cuter.
They don't even do that. Nips aren't into high fantasy.
Their fantasy stories are a copy-paste of Dragon Quest, or maybe some poor attempt at D&D.

Anyhow, as others have pointed out, Sci-Fi is pretty much dead, anywhere, especially sub-genres such as Space Opera.
With anime/manga, you can at least get a good/decent story every now and then.

casshern sins

>>153760682
ww2.

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Starship Operators had pretty realistic space battles, it's a shame everyone seems to have forgotten it exists.

>>153761187
>monster girl harem in space
I'd watch it. Earth based harems are old and busted. This is what the genre needs to stay relevant.

>>153760682
planetes is one of the best science fiction shows i've ever watched/one of the best mangas i have ever read. i'd love if it the west could do something similar but alas

>>153760682
>Why can't Nips make good sci-fi?

Japanese science fiction literature can be quite good. The problem is that only a small part of it gets translated into English.

Very little of it gets made into anime of course, but how often do you get to see Western literary science fiction made into animation, either?

>>153760682
>SSY
>Evangelion
>Voices of a Distant Star
>Blame!
>JinTai

>muh technology and spaceships
That's why people laugh and call you guys nerds.
Good sci-fi is about people (who are the same as us today), not the world.

I fell for the thinly veiled rec thread, didn't I?

>>153761187
>alien harem
I'd be down for that

>>153766586
Samurai 7
Accel World
Guilty Crown
Outlaw Star

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Tenamonya Voyagers

Crest/Banner of The Stars

Irresponsible Captain Tylor

I would like to see more novels rather than light novels adapted.

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>>153761187
>"monster girl harem in space"
Sounds good to me senpai

>>153761187
>"monster girl harem in space"
this does sound good though

>>153760866
>What is jojo's bizzare adventure

Nips follow the king nips and copy them.

>>153768395
>OMG space cornelia

>>153768661
Where da green women at?

>>153760682
can someone explain the end of Blame! to me?

>>153768661
Kirk pls

>>153760682
>Why can't Nips make good sci-fi?
Because you're a newfag with no powerlevel.
Watch more anime.
I'll tell you what, there's an anime that features Dyson spheres too.

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>>153760682
>Why can't Nips make good sci-fi
They can and frequently do

>>153768395
Crest/Banner of the Stars was the shit. The space combat was semi-realistic, ship design was neat, characters were great, and I was really into the idea of following the story of a smaller, cannon-fodder-ish destroyer rather than a super-special prototype one-of-a-kind ultra-flagship.

Also, would totally let the Abh conquer me.

>>153760682
Fuck you faggot. I love mecha.

>>153770093
I really hope you aren't implying Raildex is "good" sci-fi.
It's a fun series and all, but it's nothing exceptional considering it's literally just Japanese X-Men

>>153760780
And this is somehow worse than being an LN/manga/figure commercial?

>>153760682
Did you forget Planetes m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3uS4uA0wI

>>153771693
Does Planetes even count as Sci-fi?

You say it like current Western sci fi wasn't mostly basic as shit too.

>>153763031
I don't know how Lewis published so much.
I couldn't get past page 6 os Narnia given how fucking atrocious the writing was. Made me want to puke.
Tolkien's writing was boring as shit, but at least it was solid.

>>153771642
I agree that Raildex isn't very good sci-fi, but I'm getting sort of tired of people describing everything involving psychics/mutants as the X-Men.

>>153771755
Yes. Kessler syndrome would never be effectively mitigated by manned missions. We would just use lasers to slow debris.

>>153771755
Why wouldn't it be? It's one of the only true hard sci-fi anime I can think of, honestly.

>>153768395
What sci-fi novels would you like to see adapted to anime?

I would like to see something based on CJ Cherryh's Alliance-Union universe, like Cyteen or Downbelow Station. They would be pretty hard to adapt to any medium though.

>>153760682
because they haven't landed on the moon

>>153760682
>most anime "science fiction"
Try reading manga and not expecting low budget night anime to deliver on huge, ambitious world building

>>153772975
Asimov's Robots of Dawn would be perfect. You've got a detective duo that the fujos can ship, and the plot revolves around a planet where everyone is a hikki.

>>153769326
What's there to explain? He found someone with Net Terminal Genes and is protecting her as they travel back towards the Authority or something.

>>153762360
The Warshav Pact had a boner for hard sci fi. Lots of good domestic authors, and lots of Western sci fi got very good translations at the time. Each country also had monthly sci fi magazines that were very popular at the time.

Legend of Galactic Heroes is probably the truest to a novel style Space Opera, which isn't surprising considering that it is based on a novel.

>>153769326
Killy walked until he got to the outside of the City which according to someone is the size of the solar system but made of layers of solid matter. Then he jsut hopped off into space or something.

>>153760682
watch more anime

>>153762125
God, fuck you. Just fuck you so hard.

>>153760682
Dennou Coil had good world building.

>>153769326

Cibo and Sanakan had a child. Sanakan already had net-terminal access in her Genes, and Cibo's level 9 safeguard body also had net-terminal access. Together, it guaranteed that the child conceived would have net-terminal access. Sanakan sacrificed herself to give Killy the split second window of opportunity to kill the Exterminator First Class; where Cibo by then had already died.

Killy then takes the sphere to the absolute edge of The City (which is a Dyson Sphere that has over tens of thousands of years, mutated to somewhere around Saturn's orbit. This is confirmed for a fact, because Killy at one point encounters a space that has the diameter of Jupiter.

At the edge of the City is where the safeguard presence is near non-existent, and the contamination produced by silicon creatures and the corruption within The City also is near-nonexistent. There at the ocean, level, after Killy terminates the final safeguard (in a model similar to him), is swept away by the drain waters into the ocean itself; where life untouched by everything else within the various megastructures is flourishing.

There the sphere removes itself from Killy and travels to the surface, where there's pure air and the implication there is that conception finally takes place inside the sphere and an embryo forms. Then in the final page, we see Killy now protecting the child with the Net Terminal genes from all hazards as they make a reverse journey, in search of a Net Terminal itself, so that control can be re-established in the netsphere and the rampant growth of The City can finally be halted.

This is confirmed to be successful in the one-chapter sequel to BLAME!; Net Sphere Engineer , and then a proper sequel BLAME!^2 which takes place some ~1-3,000 years after the events of BLAME!

>>153771807
>Kessler syndrome would never be effectively mitigated by manned missions. We would just use lasers to slow debris.

The characters in Planetes aren't going after small debris that can be ablated with lasers. They're going after the big debris that, if it collided with something, could potentially PRODUCE Kessler syndrome.

>>153774099
Warshav? The fuck man, either Warsaw or Warszawa.

Also, yes, I have a shitload of my parents' sci fi books and magazines.

>>153761350

You retarded fuck.

>>153760682
Magnetic Rose is probably the greatest anime ever made, and far better than any sci-fi the west has produced in at least 40 years.

So to answer your question: watch more anime, retard.

>>153760682
Dune anime when?

>>153766586
I wouldn't really call Angel's Egg sci-fi, but other than that it's a very solid list.

( ´ー｀)ﾌｩｰ．．．外人共は好き勝手言ってくれますねぇ…

>>153774402
It's not better than either Alien, The Thing, Blade Runner, Alien 3 or Moon, but it it's not inferior either.

>>153774472
>Alien 3
I see, you're one of "those" shitters.

Post your fedora.

>>153774546

I don't like Aliens really because it's a departure from the tone of the original and it made fucking roadkill of the xenomorphs and it took away from the fear factor and it had a boss fight at the end and I disliked Newt Gunray.

Alien 3 is wonderfully bleak, religious and beautiful, hellish in color palette and somber in tone. So 3deep5you muh man.

>>153774407

Probably never. But the director behind Sicaro and Arrival is confirmed to be directing the Dune reboot.

>>153774605
Dune only works as a 10 episode seies, there's just too much to condense in an 150 minute film.

>>153774602
No sorry, you're just one of those morons who heap praise on bad films in a series because a guy like Fincher directed it. It's also further evident you're stupid given the extent of your critique is limited to superficial praise like "wonderfully bleak, religious, beautiful". Idiots like you use words like that all the time without understanding what complexity is.

>>153774407
1989. They added robots and called it Five Star Stories.

>>153760682

Dimension W majorly attempts sci-fi goodness but the whole teleportation=possibility=human potential=love stuff is clunky

>>153774691
I don't like Fincher and he disowned the film.

> It's also further evident you're stupid given the extent of your critique is limited to superficial praise like "wonderfully bleak, religious, beautiful"
Do you actually expect me to write a 2000-word short essay on a Korean Kimchi House?

>Idiots like you use words like that all the time without understanding what complexity is.
Dude, there aren't enough fedoras in this hemisphere for you to tip right now.

>>153774739
>Do you actually expect me to write a 2000-word short essay on a Korean Kimchi House?
No but you'll have to write something better than >>153774602 if you're going to put a trash film like Alien 3 on the same level as Blade Runner and Magnetic Rose and try to come across as a reasonably intelligent poster. As of now, it's glaringly evident you're both a hipster and a retard.

>>153774827
I ain't writing shit to you you rampaging cocksucker. Have a (You) to tip those fedoras you're wearing right now and fuck off.

>>153774863
Good, so you're a complete idiot. Saved me time.

>>153774882
>trash film like Alien 3
>calls others idiots

Shiggy

>>153774882
>>153774945
>you're a hipster!
>no, you're a hipster!
>well, you're an idiot!
>so are you!
You're both faggots talking about Western live-action on the anime board, now stop this bullshit.

>>153775002
>says the hipster faggot calling other hipster fags

>>153760682
What about Yamato? Say what you will about the series but it's one of the most impactful anime and a turning point for the medium.

>>153761187
>"monster girl harem in space"
I want this, and monster girl aliens, and human girls transformed into monsters by bio weapons, or advanced tech. Preferably with various kinds of tech, mechs and ships and such only being able to be used by the women of various races, but they can fuse together into a super ship/mech if they are all in love with the same man, who is the primary pilot of the fused ship.

Basically I want monster girl Vandread.

>>153774294
>Kessler syndrome
Hmm. I heard about that.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
>The Envisat satellite is a large, inactive satellite with a mass of 8,211 kg (18,102 lb) that drifts at 785 km (488 mi), an altitude where the debris environment is the greatest—two catalogued objects can be expected to pass within about 200 meters of Envisat every year[12]—and likely to increase. It could easily become a major debris contributor from a collision during the next 150 years that it will remain in orbit.[12]

Fuck.

>>153760682
They're obsessed with the evolution of the human species, it's all they can think about and every time it shows up as a theme in a work it is the dumbest, most heavy handed shit imaginable

>>153760682
Stop reading and watching only what a/ speaks about and pretending you know everything about Japan's sci-fi.
Japan is overflowing with untranslated manga, very old, old and new, don't pretend you know them all.

>>153775654
Remember, Japan pioneered modern horror
>onibaba
>kwaidan
>jigoku
>sword of doom

They majorely contributed to fantasy. They turned scifi into non-episodic TV shows. They were doing synth and neon in the 90's and early 2000's, way before the revival in the West. It's literally impossible that there aren't Japanese scifi things that aren't of value. Ghost in the Shell is the most influential scifi artifact since Blade Runner. Never mind Japan being a hightech place in general

>>153775884
Japan has never produced anything nearly as scary as the Twilight Zone.

>>153775884
>Ghost in the Shell is the most influential scifi artifact since Blade Runner
sci-fi no cyberpunk yes

>>153774472
>>153774602
Alien 3? Alien 3?! You like Alien 3 better than fucking Aliens? You think it's even comparable to the original Alien?

What is actually wrong with you, anon? Were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>153770093
Looks like Midchilda.

>>153775884
>Remember, Japan pioneered modern horror

No, take off your weaboo goggles. The West did everything first.

>>153766725
>Good sci-fi is about people (who are the same as us today), not the world.
I prefer worldbuilding over people stories.

I fucking love it when characters do some offhand remark about things they take for granted that would be an awe-inspiring technological marvel to modern humans.
Not endless technobabble "as you know" speeches explaining how all the shit works, just casual remarks and narration leaving the reader to ponder the impact on society.
It has to be like casually browsing a twitter on a smartphone while riding the subway and tweeting some memes at trump would seem to an 18th century observer.

>>153773832
All I remember about that are extensive talks about bathrooms and toilets. And that I loved it.

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>>153760682
Maybe you shouldn't be watching flavor of the season shows.

All You Need Is Kill is a great time travel concept with a really good end (the us movie changes it for the worse).

>>153760682
Watch They they were eleven.

It's by a girl

>>153760682
Watch They they were eleven.

It's by a girl by the way

>>153760682
Watch more anime.

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>>153760682
>Western sci fi are even putrid garbage in comparison though.
>muh modern era bullshit with different coat of paint so I can spew my garbage opinions about hot political issues.
>Plot? Characters? Nah, don't need those.

Anime sci fi is vastly better.

>>153776864
This kind of garbage post is why nobody will and have been buying the shitty fanfictions you wrote.

>>153760682
Who hyped for Stellaris: Utopia here?

>>153777929
Bathrooms as microcosms of social systems is a weirdly recurring theme in that series.

Steins;Gate is still relevant and that aired like 10 years ago. New anime soon too.
Good being the keyword you used is important to the "why there are so few" because just like with american movies, they try but sometimes they can only come up with shit like Dimension W or in the movies side, like the martian.

>>153760682
what is ginga eiyuu
planetes
space brothers
casshern sins
lain
texhnolyze
ergo proxy
psycho pass
gantz
genocyber
wicked city

dozens others I haven't mentioned

there are so, so, so many sci-fi animu that aren't mecha.

>>153779076
Yes I know, too advanced for the sao audience.

>>153779157
With grammar like that, it's too advanced for everyone, ESL.

Dang, no one's mentioned Tetsuwan Birdy the manga version. (The anime was shit.)

>>153780858
The original OVA is good.

>>153760866
that must be why their stories have far more genre's than the west and their comic industry isnt dying as hard. West is Superhero comic or bust

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>>153760866
You seem buttblasted. Did someone supposedly uncreative outcreative you?

>>153760682

What the fuck sci-fi are you looking for? Dozens of anime are sci-fi and lean more on fantasy and super magitech side of things. It's 'hard sci-fi' anime lacks, and it's because the medium is DRAWN, play to the mediums strengths.

Are you looking for walls of text about how the tech works? Or just a setting futuristic enough?

>>153763183

Isn't lensmen the novel series that goes completely insane in terms of scale? Throwing planets at above light speed at each other and other wacky insane 'sci-fi cliches', which is just taking the scale up to impossible levels (using planets as kinetic weapons instead of bullets etc). Like when you reach that kind of scale, it's no sci-fi, it's endless one-upmanship of scale because it's cool.

>>153760780
All anime are toy commercials or animated advertisements for figurines, merchandise, etc...

>>153781816
Doesn't even remotely scale to or compare against Xelee Sequence, Culture books, etc...

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>>153761187
>monster girl harem in space
Hoshizura no Babylon anime when?