wth? what does she mean by you can't travel to the same

That's not hard to grasp.

She is saying it right there. If she changes the settings they can't go back to Trunks' parallel word.

This whole "connection getting weaker" with no explanation seems unnecessary bullshit

If this is true, how did trunks arrive to the time of the android battle without aging 3 years from his first appearance?

>>153720597
I think that might be the manga version of the time machine getting shot by Zamasu in the anime.

>>153720665
But there's no rhyme or reason for it.

>>153720597
Zamasu might be the reason for the connection getting weaker. Remember that entire universe was destroyed, maybe Bulma was detecting that

>>153720815
That doesn't make any sense, and the universe isn't destroyed yet.

>>153720686
Probably it's just meant to be an obstacle to them, so they won't be able to make so many time travels like in the anime.

>>153720991
Maybe, but that's terribly shamelessly cheap.

Also it looks like Trunks is getting Super Saiyan Angry (lol) next chapter, how disappointing. I'd hoped it was written out when Gowasu and the Kaioshin took them to their planet.

>>153721084
If SSA gets a good explanation and if Toyotaro saves it for the ending, it might be pretty cool.

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>>153721084
>tfw when Trunks not only reaches SSA, but also a completed SSB state.

>>153722189
That would be pretty awesome, but how would Trunks get SSB? By absorbing someone else's God ki (like say, Vegetto)?

>>153720597
It explains why Cell ended up coming back to the main canon.

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>>153719129
what did Toyotaro mean by this?

>>153717805
>wth?
Fuck off.

>>153721975
>If SSA gets a good explanation
There is no explanation whatsoever that can justify Super Saiyan Angry. That's what Super Saiyan is. That's what Super Saiyan 2 is. It's dumb and has a dumbass name and it doesn't even look that cool.

>>153724405
He could just make up some explanation like, SSA is an "almost SSB" because Trunks absorbed some God ki or some shit.

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>>153717805
What really bothers me is how Zen-chan is going to figure in all of this. If he destroys the timeline, they can't return to the future anymore after they escape. So what then?

The manga diverging from the anime is really interesting.

>>153725034
Goku has the Zeno button. And Trunks could go to that other timeline where Cell killed him.

>>153725034
>If he destroys the timeline, they can't return to the future anymore after they escape
They can still go back with the time rings.

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Comparing anime Goku to manga Goku is funny as hell.

>>153724845
It's a Super Saiyan God bargain sale!

>>153725542
>Asks roshi to come with him
>Doesn't ask piccolo, who mastered not only the technique but it's counter just in case

Bravo Goku.

>>153725627
I doubt Piccolo would be able to seal Zamasu.

>>153725719
He would literally be the most likely candidate to succeed in sealing zamasu.

>>153721084
He'll probably justify it as a stage between SS2 and SS3;

>>153720686
They could just keep going back and forth constantly until they won otherwise. It's just closing a plothole.

>>153726693
That's literally what they did anyway.

>>153726747
True, but there's no drama if they can do it infinite times.

>>153726808
There was enough drama in the show version. This is just an arbitrary limit that doesn't really change anything, it's not like it's not risky to go there or that Zamasu and Black can't stop them (see: they busted the machine in the anime).

>>153720625
he fucked up. there is a timeline where future trunks never returned leaving the z warriors scratching their head

>>153717805
The machine is going back and forth between the ends of a fixed chronological point. One end comes out in the present, and the other in Future Trunk's future.

Moving the dial back or forth creates a new chronological point from which the machine will travel. In the same way Trunks going back created a new timeline, doing so would mean creating a new timeline again instead of helping the one that they're trying to help.

>>153728324
Funny thing is that timeline might have turned out better.

>>153720597
Maybe the more different the parallel universes become the farther they grow apart.

>>153729290
Might have to do with Zamasu and Black fucking things up in that timeline.

>>153728535
Which could lead to them meeting a completely different situation than what they expected to find.

Like how Trunks ended up finding androids 20 and 19 when he came back, while the androids 17 and 18 were way stronger but not evil.

>>153720597
>>153717805
It's to stop the obvious time travel Frodos like "if Goku Black keeps getting stronger as we're fighting him why don't we just go backwards to the point where he just started wrecking shit on earth but was super weak and oneshot him"?

>>153731676
No, that's what the "you can't change the settings" rule is for. I'm talking about the "this next trip is your last" rule, which is awfully convenient storywise and feels completely shoehorned in lorewise.

Also how did Trunks travel 3 years into the future after warning the fighters about the androids without aging?

>>153732672
Future Bulma probably knew how to change the settings in a way that Trunks could return to the new timeline he created.

>>153725542
It's a good thing that he isn't a fucking retard in the manga.

>>153720625
>>153728324

because back then it wasnt a pralell world yet.

>>153734711
It was a parallel world the moment he arrived. Hell, it was a parallel world the moment cell arrived a year prior.

>>153732672
Future Trunks was in the future. Our perspective as viewers showed him returning because we were in the offshoot created by him changing the dial. He was doing this without consideration for the issues it might cause either because he didn't know, or from his perspective it wouldn't change anything.

Zamasu and Black are different from the androids in that they're a confirmed multidimensional threat. Going to a different future at a different point might be convenient, but it creates an entire offshoot that will have its own independent Zamasu and Black that wil never be dealt with.

>>153736215
But according to bulma in this chapter, he couldn't change the dial because the "issue" it'd cause is being unable to align yourself to the timeline you created.
From his perspective, misalignment would simply take him to his own future's past.

>>153736603
He can never go to his own future's past, every time he creates a fixed chronological connection he's creating a new timeline. It's not on-off, but the creation of timelines. She says it herself; it moves to parallel worlds, but there's no way to regain the connection to a world that is different once you've changed the settings.

>>153736735
>He can never go to his own future's past
He should always go to his own future's past. He doesn't create a new timeline unless he changes something in his own future's past (i.e, arriving there really). Once he arrives, it creates a divergent timeline that is no longer his own past, and he's continued going to that same divergent timeline by keeping the settings, creating new divergent divergent timelines each trip.

That said technically he never visited his own timeline's past because he visited a separate timeline created by cell's trip. How they made that massive fuckup is anyone's guess.

>>153736893
In the same way that observation induces changes the very fact that Trunks went to the past is a change in the universe that creates a new timeline, regardless of whether he meaningfully interacts with that universe after doing so.

>>153736961
Right, but in theory any act of traveling to the past should take him to his own timeline's past in the first place (not accounting for trips taken with the same settings to precisely counter this effect).

Thinking about it, maybe that's why he visited cell's timeline? Cell's machine came from further in the future, but it would have had the same settings Trunk's machine used to go to the past, therefore landing him in the divergent timeline that was going to be created by cell's trip far in the future.

>>153717805
m-muh superior mango, s-s-suck it toeifags

>>153726025
>blue aura

Just ssj2 guys XD

>>153717805
The time machine is set between two points in time right now. It travels to the past, the main timeline, because Trunks has it set to that era. Then it returns to Trunks' present.

If they change the settings to go towards a specific date in the future they'll end up doing what Trunks originally did. Rather than jumping back to his timeline they'll be causing another split, and since they'd be resetting his side of the connection they'd lose access to his future forever. Meanwhile the two timelines are deviating so far from each other that they're reaching a point it's going to be impossible to keep depending on the time machine, since it's not really intended for multiversal travel.

It's a complicated explanation that's not perfect but it fixes some of the issues time travel naturally brings up, and at least gives some justification to why the fuck Trunks has been able to jump across parallel timelines instead of actually visiting his worlds' past.

>>153725581
>>153724845
>>153724405
Gowasu and/or Supreme Kai will give some of their God Ki to trunks this will massively boost him up.

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>>153717805
DAILY reminder that this is her true hair color

>>153739533
Yeah, that would be better than another form triggered by rage.

>>153725627
Maybe he doesn't want to kill his son's father

>>153728324
So for every happy time line trunks left another one fucked, it's the steins;gate bullshit where trunks is just crossing over to the dimension where he's happy

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>>153740674

>>153739475
Honestly rather than a machine to travel back in time it's a machine with the potential to create parallel worlds depending on how the traveller affects the past, and (if the coordinates aren't changed) return back to the splinter timeline until the connection between both worlds is weakened (the connection strength between worlds might depend on how similar they are to eachother. Future Trunks's timeline during the cell saga wasn't that radically different with the main, but with everything that's happened it might have severely weakened the connection between the two)

>>153739548
She looks better with lavender hair.

>>153731306
>Like how Trunks ended up finding androids 20 and 19 when he came back, while the androids 17 and 18 were way stronger but not evil
I always thought the reason 17 and 18 went evil was having no goku to fight, and no 16
I also get the feeling that in the original timeline, Gero obtained real battle data on Goku cause he saw him fight frieza, which likely would have led to him activating 17 and 18 instead of trying to fight the Z fighters with him and 19.

>>153736215
>>153736603
>>153736735
>>153736893
I always got the impression that him changing the time he went back is what resulted in Cell's future timeline.
Trunks changing the dates meant that the timeline he went to originally continued on, having been warned about the androids but unable to stop them (since we saw here, without Trunks arriving, they would have lost) it proceeded the same way but with the androids eventually being defeated and Trunks was going to take a trip back to tell them how to do it when Cell killed him.
This also explains how in Cell's timeline, a Trunks had visited the past already for him to have the option of having Trunks' cells.
That Trunks was going to go back to the time that Cell ended up going to, which would have ended in the best timeline, with no one dying, but instead Cell went.
Basically, the "main" timeline is the one everyone showed up in because, for the sake of the plot, it's the interesting one.
How did Cell show up to the same timeline? That's because he went back BEFORE the timelines split.

but if that were true, that means trunks actually waited another 3 years before he came back to help against the androids.

pretty sure he didn't.

>>153742585
He was 17 during his first trip, and 18 (I think) when he came back. So he waited a few months or a year.

>>153742585
Hm, I dunno, if you think about it, it might only cause a problem on the return trip, and specifically if you return early
If you think about it, Trunks' time machine is from the future.
So let's call his timeline A
If he bounces back in time, it creates Timeline B.
Then he returns home to timeline A
then changes the time so he's not travelling in real time, back to timeline B. For him it's only been a year, but for everyone else in Timeline B it's been 3.
Timeline B would have occurred exactly the same in those 3 years regardless of how long Trunks waited, so changing the time coordinates wouldn't create a new timeline.
But, the NEXT time he travels, he leaves the coordinates set because he's no scientist, and doesn't want to risk screwing stuff up.
So he's going again from timeline A to Timeline B.
However, this time the return trip time coordinates could be reprogramming to go back immediately after they left, but that runs the risk of them getting it wrong. If they go back even a second too early, they create a new timeline (timeline C) and in that timeline, they'd have to reprogram it again to get back to Timeline B because it's making it's return trip.

I mean, these aren't specifics, I'm just giving broad examples.

But are the settings stored in a .properties an .xml or a .json?

>>153742980
Bulma is smart. It's json.

>toeishills are actually too retarded to understand a manga for kids

>>153743474
>Everything I don't like is a toeishill

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>>153743641
wrong

save this one

>people already forgot how was already established on chapter 14 they can't change the settings anymore just because future Bulma is dead

I hate this retarded fanbase

>>153743967
she wrote how to change them in notebook

>>153743992
There's no notebook in the manga.

>>153744007
manga is not canon, nice try tho

>>153744016
Try not using anime logic in a thread about the manga next time, you fucking retard.

>if you change the settings you get to another world
>cell changed to settings
>still arrives in the same world but even before Ftrunks

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>manga gets to time travel
>now we have to deal with the combined autism of time travel arguments AND mangafaggotry all over again

>>153744148
>still arrives in the same world
But you wrong. The time machine cell stole from the trunks that he killed did not transport him to the same world in which that trunks got his blueprints from.

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>>153744016
>anime is not canon
fix'd

>>153717805
Its not that fucking hard to get.
1.To travel to the same parallel world you can't change the configuration.
2.the connection of that world became weaker because we know from the anime that zeno is going to fuck it up.

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>>153744148
>>cell changed to settings
He specifically stated he didn't change the setting, this inconsistency is age old mistake by Toriyama, there was no real reason why there should have been a setting for such a early time travel all the way back to the same age as when Trunks initially gave Goku the medicine.
This is the real inconsistency.

>>153744148
>cell changed to settings
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. If you don't remember DB then shut up

>>153744259
Or that trunks wanted to save other worlds from the androids now that he got the blueprints.

>bergamo steals SSB
>goku can no longer use god ki
>has to rely on SSJ2 for the entire tournament

>>153744259
Imagine if Cell arrived in time to get eaten by Buu

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>>153744307
It's supposed to match up to this but it just simply does not.

>>153744430
Welll when cell reverted back to his egg form to fit in the time machine his fatass accidentally changed thr settings - source :headcanon.

>>153744452
But changing the settings is apparently so difficult that only bulma can do it

>>153744484
Cell had Bulma's genes in him - source: headcanon

>>153720894
It's a time machine.

i think this show is Super

>>153717805
Super is a Parallel world from Z-GT.

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best couple

>>153746887
Their both half Goku. I didn't think Vegetto was a siscon.

>>153744430
This time travel shit has always been full of inconsistencies.

>>153746887
>being goku is a dominant gene
>fusion zamasu birrths a full goku

>>153746887
finally, tumblr delivers

>>153739548

So even Bulma can turn super-saiyan-god-now-that's-what-I-Call-SSJ-'98?!

It's simple.

The manga and the anime are two completely different timelines.

Also time travel is fucking stupid.

I still like future Trunks and future Mai though.

anybody got the clown god pictures?

>>153739548
Her true hair color is lavender but whatever

>>153750617
>I don't know how timelines works

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Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister

>>153720686
new to the series?

>>153754608
ma-a-ku -> a-ku-ma

Literally the devil

>>153756099
That's exaclty the point

do you know Videl's name is spelled "Beedel" in chapter 441?

>>153756099
Based Tori

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Reminder, "Rageta" is a SS boost

>inb4 "but it's a SS2 boost"
It's SS at BoG.

>"it was retconned"
No proof the boost being a SS1 thing was retconned.

>"sparks are proof it's a SS2 boost"
No proof since some non-SS2 people with SS2's aura is a thing you can see in both, DB and DBS.

>"those non-SS2 people with SS2's aura aren't saiyans"
Except even discounting Cell, Black still a saiyan.

>"Cell clearly doesn't count because isn't a saiyan and Black is a saiyan but he's works different in the exact way I say"
Still, no proof that it works different if you aren't a regular saiyan.

>inb4 some retarded people actually say "why would he use SS instead his strongest form, SS2?"
If it's a SS boost, his current strongest form isn't SS2, but boosted SS.

Reminder, you will never prove it's not a SS even if it have sparks. It was created as a SS boost at BoG and you can't prove that changed for Super.

dead thread?

>>153759351
Who gives a shit ?

>>153759351
This is also the reason why Vegeta never learned the SSJ3 transformation. He realizes that form is useless.

>drains ki so fast you can't maintain the form
>Vegeta can boost the power of SSJ beyond the power of SSJ3

>>153761170
>boosted SS1 being far stronger than SS3

Powerlevelfags cares and trigger their autism is always a good thing

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Reminder, this is Brolette's green haired form. Toei is trying to sell us another Broly in the anime but she's just SS Green

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE
When Zenou appeared and destroyed Future Trunks's timeline, Goku and everyone had to escape the destruction first and then come back to get Future Zenou. If this truly is a one way trip (and we know from the Universe Survival trailer that there will be 2 Zenou's) how the fuck does Goku bring him???

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Note is cute. CUTE!

>>153759351
tl;dr Toei fucked up again, nothing new

>>153764113
It's not a one way trip,. It's a round trip.

>>153764113
wait Bulma actually confirmed that they only can go to Trunks' world (and back) ONE more time? If I'm not wrong she said that "it would be" the last one but she doesn't know

>>153765096
His multiverse will get destroyed anyway.

wait I just realized
In the anime, Goku, Vegeta and Bulma went to Trunks' world, they escaped from Zeno's massive hakai and then they back to Trunks' world, but the fuel tank only allows two travels so how they did four? (go to Trunks' world, escape from Zeno, go to Trunks' world again to get Zeno and back again)

>>153765021
No like he can only go back once to Trunks's timeline and back.

>>153765277
He could grab Zeno's hand right after he triggers the destruction of the multiverse.

But let's see. It will probably happen something completely different. Just like everyone had no idea that Trunks would survive Black in this chapter by being transported to the Kaioshin realm.

>>153725034
Do you think the manga will keep converging or will Toei and Toriyama meet up to get down arc specifics so they all sort of partially line up?

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>there's a character named "Luud, god of destruction" in DBGT
>create an actual god of destruction with its design
>also based on Robbo from Crono Trigger
Toyotaro is truly Toriyama's disciple, is our boy the new absolute madman?

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>>153766248
I'm surprised he didn't make a Gotenks copy

>>153765276
Toei simply didn't care anymore at that point.

>>153763582
>SSGreen is what happens when a super saiyan mimicks SSBlue
>It's basically what happens when SS power is kept internalized. As you power up, you bulk up
>it's poor man's SSBlue, but that still makes it very dangerous
I would be okay with that.

>>153717805
Why can't we just go with Black coming from the timeline Whis let play out before Beerus HAKAI'd him?

>>153768430
because that Zamasu had fought Goku
the whole reason it took Zamasu awhile to learn how to use Goku's body is because he had only seen clips of him fighting, he didn't actually fight him.
If he had fought Goku and then switched bodies, he'd be able to power up very quickly.

>>153768502
Didn't he power up even quicker in the anime?

>>153768541
No.
Black had been terrorizing trunks a few times before he showed up in the anime, and getting stronger every time.
When he fought Goku the first time, he was still fairly weak comparatively (goku being selfish again).
It's pretty clear that Black didn't start reaching anything near the power Goku had when they switched bodies until he was able to go SSJ2 in the manga, or in the show it would have been the fight right before he goes SSRose
And also remember, Black had already killed other fighters. Him and Zamasu had eliminated the other universes GoD (most likely by killing their Kaioshins).
So from what we can tell, Black had Gokus body for months, maybe even years. He just hadn't been pushed to his limits with Zenkai until he started fighting saiyans

>>153717805
>reading mangashit

>>153764681
The cutest

who /universe 10/ here?

>>153717805
This is at odds with the fact that Trunks was able to jump up three years in the future of the normal timeline (from Freeza to androids).

>>153725034
What if Goku presses the button again while they're inside the time machine escaping from Zeno's hakai?

>>153774521
combining time travel with dragon ball is guaranteed to result in inconsistencies

>>153725034
We already know there will be two Zenos from the universe survival preview

>>153744378
The fuck is with you faggots and SSJ2.
No one gives a fuck about SSJ2.
It's litterally the form that Gohan uses and is just that thing that goku and everyone else uses before they change into something visually distinctive and actually interesting.

>>153759351
It's litterally a generic VEGETA GETS SUPER POWERFUL BECAUSE OF ANGER/DESPERATION moment.
Get it?
MOMENT!
It's not some new form or access to some limitless power. It's Vegeta cracking open a can of whoopass on a surprised Beerus and that's all.

Using that as a basis for some embarassingly ridiculous RAGE form is idiocy.

>>153761269
Vegeta litterally can't go SSJ3 because he's a bitch. Even if he did, he doesn't have the endurance or fighting style that Goku does and would burn out in a matter of minutes.
The form is built for full power balls slamming to her clit action. Not long battles. Goku fucked up the form by trying to make it into an all fighting fun form thus weakening it and Vegeta would be completely wrecked after 3 minutes in the form.

>>153761924
The entire fanbase( you know the people who put DB on the map?) are powerlevel fags.
This is just piss poor writing and ridiculous directing.

>>153732672
The trunks that killed frieza was the one killed by cell, think about it.

cuckotaro fag pretending time travel was consistent btfo.

>>153765276
They had more fuel in store or bulma resupplied it as she fixed the timemachine.
it makes no difference because we know the fuel is plentiful in the past.

>>153766959
What game is this?

What if Universe Zamasu simply doesn't happen in the manga and Toyotaro made up this "only one more round trip" to explain why Trunks won't be able to ever go back to his timeline?

dragonball is the stupidest fucking series

>>153777021
They still must do something with Future Zeno.

>>153725034
>The Supreme Kais riding a motorcycle
You know I don't care about logic in that, that's just funny to have

>>153778435
Don't forget
>Drive me closer so I can hit them with my sword!

>>153775606
>MOMENT!
Read the manga you autist

>>153744190
Toeishill. :^)

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>Trunks survived, but how?

>Toyotaro: There's some useful characters overthere, you know. Based Shin and Gowasu use their time rings and teleport powers and they save Trunks and Mai from an insured death
>Toei: lol who cares he just did it now see this gag with future Yajirobe

Toei's writting is so shitty that isn't funny anymore

>>153777021
maybe multiverse zamasu was also toei's way of getting rid of the survivors and they're all already dead in the manga...

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>>153781321
But how did Vegeta get a third day in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? I thought he used both his days during the Cell Saga.

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>>153781646
Didn't you even read the series? The RoSaT was updated

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>>153781714
Sorry, I missed or forgot that panel. All plot points can't be given as much focus as *see pic*.

I don't suppose there is an earlier page of Dende saying he improved the HTC the same way he improved the Dragon Balls, was there?

>>153781969
No just that last panel and I don't remember how the anime handled the use of the room again (maybe they don't even explained it?)

>>153781321
Every month when a new manga chapter is out I feel even more impressed by how shitty Toei is.

>>153759351
Who cares

>>153764113
You'll just have to wait!!!!!

>>153781714
>3 fucking days
At this point he's going to catch up to his actual age (not like there's any difference.

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>manga Black-Zamasu
>Black: Shit, a Kaioshin discovered our plan
>Zamasu: If they report to Zeno we are fucked, better end this shit and go to another planet
>Black: Yeah, time to go serious
>when Shin and Gowasu react all remaining humans are already dead

>anime Black-Zamasu
>a fucking year trying to destroy the humanity seriously
>dozens of humans still alive and not only in the city (see #8 and more humans living in mountains)
>defeated by gas
>they need to fuse each other and with the entire universe to finally kill all humans

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Where the sexy Bulma's at?

>>153764681

Literally WHO?

>>153761269
>Vegeta can boost the power of SSJ beyond the power of SSJ3

Anyone can, and then anyone with SSJ3 can boost FARTHER BEYOND.

Give up.

>>153775512
Because it is used? Stop getting so triggered.

>>153783863
And they didn't get noticeably stronger either. Probably just increased the time SSB is "good"

>>153717805
Stop giving a fuck about DB, it's been shit since early DBZ.

i want to fuck Bulma

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>>153787332

>>153786399
a cutie