Childhood is idolizing Reinhard, adulthood is realizing Yang

Just finished episode 82 there, really hope it doesn't slump in quality after what just happened

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>>153462395
Even when I re;watch the show, that episode always breaks me in some way or another. The ending is actually really great and the 4th season, even though it's perhaps the weakest, is still quite good and worth watching.

>>153462130
Where can I watch this show?

>>153462130
It's the opposite.

>>153463061
Pirate it on Nyaa.se and Bakabt.me. Avoid episode previews since they spoil major character deaths.

>>153462130
Yang a shit. I'm glad that fucker died.

>>153463107
Are there good German subs?

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>>153463107

The narrator also spoils shit in the show, which makes sense in the context of his role, a historian looking at the heroes of the past and their achievements. But still.

Near perfect anime though.

>>153463158
Why is Yang shit?

>>153463180
Haven't looked for them, but there should be.

>>153463091
Reinhard lacks morals, Yang lacks ambition.

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Daily reminder Yang was idiot for not taking shooting lessons and carrying his gun with him everywhere

>>153463223

> near

>>153463223
It truly is.

Jessica Edwards was such a great character.

>>153463414
Yang should've ended up with her instead

>>153465364
Why?

>>153465494
Better girl than freddy

>>153463225
>Reinhard lacks morals

What? He might've made some Machiavellian choices, but his rule was way more just than the rulers who came before him and even the Alliance. Yang explicitly acknowledges that he's a good ruler, he just doesn't believe in dictatorships.

>>153465494
her haircut was less shit

>>153463158
I'm going to kick your fucking ass, faggot.

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>>153465730

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>>153465703
Not for Yang.

>>153465795
Trivialising such a complex character to this degree is beyond retarded. Your final (You).

>>153465795
>Bittenfeld

Still don't understand how this nigga survived the war. I was sure he'd get his ass Yang'd from the beginning.

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>>153465878
>your final (you)
what an attention whore, you should've ignore my next post without saying "your final (you). kill yourself cunt.

>>153462130
Other way around, Yang is the cool underdog guy who's almost always right but "loses" because of his retarded superiors.
Meanwhile Reinhard is the "edgy prettyboy faggot" leading the space-nazis.
Reinhard was in the right literally the entire series and Yang was a huge failure who was unable to achieve anything because he could not let go of his outdated misconceptions

>>153462130
Yangs moral compass is selfish as fuck. He would rather see his society absorbed by space Nazis than see his superior officers to seize political power. And he doesn't just condemn their actions, he turns the fleets entrusted to him against his homeland to restore democracy for 2 days before federation (now even more exhausted by civil war thanks to Yang) becomes annexed by Reinhards empire.

Thats the kind of childish morality that you only see in cape comics, like Batman never killing the Joker even though the Joker escapes from jail every time and kills hundreds more.

>>153466059
Democracy is the least worst political system we know of and one that has the most potential. Democracy on it's worst is still far better then autocracy on it's worst, but autocracy on it's best is far better than democracy. The show displayed flaws of both systems quite well, so I think the real answers is that both were wrong since history is doomed to repeate itself. The major problem with Reinhard's death is that there's a chance he's son will just be a failure and won't live up to his Reinhard, and let's be realistic here, who could? What if he develops a inferority complex for an example?

>>153466331
Fuck off Yang, democracy is fucking shit

>>153466772
But it is true. You're not going to get a new Reinhard anytime soon, don't pretend like that's going to actually happen with his boy. His empire will slowly crumble and a new Rudolf will take the throne and than it's bussiness as usual.

>>153466832
Rudolf did literally nothing wrong

>>153466870
He did right but he went too far

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>>153466870
Trunhit dindu nuffin, too.

>>153466901
>but he went too far

Like what?

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>>153462130
Please dont wreck my shit anons, ive not slept in over 24 hours, what the fucks the name of this show again.
I dont know fucking why I forgot it, but for some reason 7 star saga is stuck in my head and I know thats fucking not it.

Im browsing amazon and buying some good ass fuckin anime while its on my mind. Just preordered 0083 bluray release this april and I want this shit in my collection as well.

I think I have a few episodes downloaded, but again, its name is fucking beyond me right now and I think the download I have is fucking messed up in terms of episode numbers.

>>153465952
It's doubly funny since Bittenfeld was the only one during the entire series who called bullshit on Yang's strategy, when he wanted the opponent to believe he was bullshitting. And it's even better actually, since if there is one person in the entire fucking cast it's Bittenfeld that you can predict (just attack until he or the enemy dies). Loved the show but Yang's luck with his opponents always doing what he wanted was bull.

>>153466997
Legend Of The Galactic Heroes, look at the spoiler.

>>153466997
Legend of the Galactic Heroes you dumdum.

Now go fucking sleep

>>153466985
Establishing High nobility that leads to corruption and nepotism.

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>>153467068
OH GOD DAMNIT HOW DID I MISS IT!

Ive been trying to sleep for the past 5 hours, fuck my life.
Thank you anon.

>>153467113
Have a good one, anon!

>>153467107
Ah I see, fair enough.

I was prepared that people would whine about eugenics

Which episode is it yang and julian first see Reinhard and Kircheis, and they comment on how young they are?
I think they were signing some peacy treaty or something.

>>153467314
Might be one of the mid episodes in season 1 or somewhere around episode 10, not quite sure, sorry to say.

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>>153466997
>7 star saga
You mean 5 star stories?

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What the fuck is a corridor? Why are there walls in space? It really hurts my immersion.

>>153466331
>Democracy on it's worst is still far better then autocracy on it's worst.
It's about responsibility. Democracy brings in idiots who win a popularity contest and end up being shit rulers. There are time when democracy works but for the most part it is a slow decline until all the chaos that has been shoved under the rug for hundreds of years explodes all at once in a far more devastating manner than if it was an autocracy (such as Rome). Autocracy brings in people who don't have to pander and can do their job properly. Also if an autocrat is terrible he will usually get opposed by other high up people with sense or at the very least a revolution may occur. Autocracy isn't perfect but it beats the unavoidable corruption (both politically and culturally) of democracy.

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>>153467707
The "strategy" aspect of the show is perhaps the weakest.

>>153467707
They're known safe spaces to travel through space with low levels of radiation, debris, etc

>>153467707
I took it to mean that their FTL travel required a certain amount of gravity to function, and so could only operate within a certain distance of solar bodies.

>>153467864
They never make use of 3D movement. They completly act like ships on water.

>>153466048
>kill yourself cunt.
no u, illiterate fag

>>153467864
Yeah you can nitpick at corridors, semi-circle formations (the OVA's simplify the battles horribly, they make much better sense in the book) and at axes in space.
But meanwhlie, it gets a lot of big picture stuff right. The relationship between politics and the military, societal effects of long-term wars, logistics, personnel issues, etc..

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>>153467882
Except they only fought at slower-than-light speeds. And interstellar space is notoriously empty.
Also, if boarding parties couldn't fire their guns because of Seffle particles or some other technobabble, why didn't they just switch to pneumatic weapons instead?

Sieg mein Kaiser!

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>>153468568
>final (you)
>still giving (you)
disgusting and embarrassing

I think LOGH would be better if all characters were women and if they stuck to the hand-drawn art style rather than randomly using CGI

>>153462130
I liked Yang, but Reinhard is better. He's too funny for his own good, especially that whole scene where he does a handstand and doesn't want to hug Annerose because his hands are dirty. That's not including his proposal to Hilda which was funny enough.

>>153468975
Sieg moe Kaiser Reinhard!

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How would things turn out if Yang was made commander of NERV?

>>153468975
SIEG KAISER RRINHARD
SIEG NEUE REICH

>>153469045
Yeah i lost it when he's about to destroy yang and then he stopped because "my dead boyfriend told me in my dream to stop the battle".
I mean how can someone be this autistic.

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>>153469045
Did he actually say 'My hands are a little dirty'? Did she answer 'So am I'?

>>153469164
>I mean how can someone be this autistic.

Well, he's german

>>153468682
Because then we wouldn't have sick axe fights.

>>153469204
what's wrong being german?

>>153469241
Germanic people are inherently autistic

>>153469102
why was yang redrawn every frame rather than his hand and hat alone? those are the only things meant to be moving apart from the background

>>153467059
>>153467059
>but Yang's luck with his opponents always doing what he wanted was bull.
This was my main issue with the guy as well. Sure, you can be a genius when it comes to battle, but everything pretty much always went completely according to plan without anything unplanned going wrong at all which gets a bit ridiculous. That's what I liked about Reinhard, the dude was smart but he still had bad luck quite frequently and made mistakes here and there.

>>153469102
basically a more beta version of kaji

>>153462130

I don't think there was ever anyone that watched LoGh and didn't think Yang was the best character. He made the most sense and was the most fun to watch.

>>153463223
It's not like any of the developments are surprising

>>153470542
Yang stands out because (other than being the authors self-insert) he's the only interesting character holding the FPA side together. The empire has more interesting characters other than Reinhard.

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>>153466870
at the time Rudolf is a mixbag. he did for the most part right but it went to far when he started exterminating people for being "genetically inferior" or sending them to death camps.

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>>153470542
Reinhard and friends were the most fun to watch.

once yang dies. his bag of friends end up being boring.

>>153463107
Why can't I find this on Nyaa?

>>153471951
honestly I barely cared. she and Jessica were basically the same character as far as I'm concerned, so boring.

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>>153463225
Yang valued the principles of democracy and its potential ability to let the people be governed as they wished to be governed. Yang was also lazy when it came to doing things other than being arguably the best tactician of his time or defending his friends, and as such wouldn't want the weight of being a leader on his shoulders.

Reinhard valued the principles of being a righteous and wise leader and believed and relied on his abilities to do such. Reinhard was ambitious and bold but also was fully willing to bear every sin he committed in the name of conquest and unifying space.

They are both the ideal of their respective governments: Reinhard believed no one was better to rule than he (Except the Kaiserin) while Yang believed that no matter his acuity that by deferring to the will, wisdom and desires of the whole and the system itself that it would prove to work itself out in the end.

You could say Yang died because he was too carefree when it came to himself and trusted in the goodwill of others (politicians), while Reinhard burned himself out by relying mainly on himself and essentially isolating himself as much as possible.

None of this shit would happened if Kircheis was still alive.

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>>153468562
>Never

Watch the show again. It's exactly how Yang got in position to have Reinhard dead in his sights.

>>153472399

Or the merits of gun ownership, which I guess ties into what you said.

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>>153472399
so Kircheis is basically representative of the good and kindness humans are capable of, that ends up being lost when it is needed most?

>>153472804
Nah, he's just a ginger god version of Reinhard without any of the ambition and arrogance. So of course he had to die.

>>153472718
It still irks me to this day that someone in the profession of arms would be so adverse to keeping a weapon on him to defend himself while on the battlefield.

Not carrying a weapon got him and Kircheis killed.

>>153472804
I feel like Reinhard did his best to honor his memory by acting in accordance with what he thought Kircheis would want, but this also in my opinion goes along with the appointment of Fraulein Mariendorf to act as a sort of 'conscience' to Oberstein's cold and merciless style of ruling power and political espionage.

Kircheis and Mariendorf grounded him while Oberstein wanted to take him higher with cold logic at the cost of moral obligations.

I feel it is Ironic that the reason Oberstein manipulated the allowing of Westerland to be nuked is the same used by the U.S. to rationalize the dropping of the nukes in WW2; Kill the few to stop the deaths of many.

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>>153473093
Oberstein did nothing wrong

he had the Empire's best interests in mind

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>>153473153
Not allowing Kircheis to carry a weapon was pure folly.

>>153473277

At the time, the reasoning was sound. Now, had he just expanded it to only the inner circle being allowed to carry weapons, then it would've been interesting.

>>153471978
>>153471808

>>153462130
No, adulthood is realizing Oberstein was the only one who actually cared about things beyond ambitions and vanity.

>>153473153
Pretty much. I also liked how near the end of the series he called out Reinhard, and by extension Yang and most other "honorable" commanders, for dragging millions of troops to their deaths just so they could soothe their own conscience.
>>153473277
It wouldn't have been so stupid if it weren't for Reinhard's security check being absolute ass.

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>>153463223
>The narrator also spoils shit in the show, which makes sense in the context of his role, a historian looking at the heroes of the past

>heroes

>"In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same."

Then why isn't it just called "Legend of the Galactic People"?

>>153473415
His reasoning for his own end of Reinhard being unchecked in power as well as unity between the Admirals was sound, but who is to say that there shouldn't be a number 2, outside of Oberstein and perhaps Machiavelli?

Undoubtedly, Reinhard and the fleet were worse off for it and his death only cemented Kircheis influence on Reinhard through pure sentimentality.

>>153473500
While they were separate issues, I agree that the security check was fucking ridiculously inept. They probably did not want to disrespect the dead, so the retainer used that to his advantage.

To be fair I thought that Oberstein might have arranged it so that he could get Kircheis out of the way and become the only voice in Reinhard's ear, but looking back at how he threw himself in the way of the rocket and what happened at the end of the series, i'm all but certain that he was nothing but loyal up to and beyond his death.

>>153473494
No, adulthood is realizing Oberstein simply had different and in fact more dangerous ambitions than both Reinhard and Yang.

>>153463223
I like how well done the foreshadowing he does is, it only pulled me in more than I already was.

>>153473913

It should've been Kircheis, Mittermeyer and Reuenthal to hold weapons, kind of like an Elite Guard.

If he were alive, then Space AIDS would've shown up way later and eventually Yang would've been routed at some point - think Battle of Vermillion, but worse.

>>153474052
I agree on that. That's what I was thinking with Kircheis, that he was in a kind of "Elite Bodygaurd" kind of role amongst the Admirals.

If he let the Twin Stars carry too, then it wouldn't have been so big an issue. It would have been even less of an issue if it was a formal declaration that as part of their uniform or code of conduct that such positions would always be allowed to carry arms.

Making the rule sometimes standardizes the field a bit.

>>153462130
Does Mittermeyer a "normie" ?

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>>153473494

>Oberstein was the only one who actually cared about things beyond ambitions and vanity

I agree with this completely.

While the Free Planets side fought for the *idea* of republicanism (or political advantage) and the Reich fought for the *ideas* of honor, loyalty, and empire, Oberstein had his own agenda.

He did not want to wipe out the Goldenbaum dynasty out of semi-revenge, as Reinhard did, but rather to enable people like him (disabled and discriminated against, with two cybernetic eyes) to live.

Even when he allowed millions of deaths, he was always doing the counting to see what would save more lives.

He never fell into the Reinhard "cult of personality" trap that every other character on the Imperial side did. One got the sense that Oberstein was using Reinhard as a tool just as much as the converse.

Whatever dirty, underhanded tactics he used, it was never for personal gain, but for the utilitarian betterment of humanity, using whatever method (including Reinhard) to achieve that.

>>153474387
He died loyally protecting his Kaiser's last moments, not to mention everyone else in the room at the time.

>>153462130
I thought the point of the show was that both were "right".

>>153462130
>Growing up means putting blind idealism before the practical
Found the college kid who thinks he's grown up.

>>153462130
>being a conservative in a terminally ill state
>makes sense
No.

I've always wanted to watch this anime but there's like 800 episodes

>>153468682
The corridors are magic space warp that exists to tell the story. You see ships at sublight make contact with its event horizon and they're destroyed like they're hitting a magic black hole.

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>seeing millions of people die every other episode like it's nothing
>then this hits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uR5SF4fx9Q

>>153475764
That episode is really powerful at the end of the day. I'm glad they finally showed what happens when a ship gets hit.

>>153475764

That episode really made me hate Reinhard. He had the Empire firmly in hand. he didn't need to continue warring with the Alliance. He was just too egotistical to stop.

>>153462130
>2130▶>>153463061 >>153463091 >>153463158 >>153466059 >>153466297 >>153466997 >>153469045 >>153470542 >>153473494 >>153474382 >>153475117 >>153475203 >>153475231
Name one character as well written as Yang, Reinhard, Oberstein and Reuenthal

>>153476831

Poplan, Schennkopp.

>>153476984
not in LOGH dumbass

>>153476831
The Wolf in Jin-Roh

>>153477017

Well you should have specified.

I'd probably say Nanba Mutta is about as well written as any of them.

>>153468975
SIEG KAISER REINHARDTO!1!

>>153476831
Recently Yakumo from Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu comes to mind.

>>153471970
help a retard enlighten /a/

>>153475277
There's 110 episodes.

I'm watching it for the first time, one episode per day. It took me a week to get into it, but now I'm 100 days in, the Kaiser is about to marry the Kaiserin, and I regret nothing.

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>2 million people die because of Oberstein
>"Wow, Oberstein, you're such an evil shit!"
>3 million people die because of Reuental
>"Wow, Reuental, you're so noble and cool!"
What did they mean by this?

Yang is kind of pathetic. You can tell he's filled to the brim with regret and resentment. Not to say he isn't a great character, but it's clear Reinhard is an ubermensch and his biggest flaw is that there probably won't be another one of those for another thousand years.

>>153478969
>Oberstein nuked civilians for political gain
>Reuental lead soldiers to their death in battle

You seriously can't see the difference? Are you a sociopath?

>>153478969
What? Lots of people shit on Reuenthal for that and even more insist Oberstein did nothing wrong.

>>153479169
Oberstein didn't nuke them.

And his reasons for not preventing their deaths was that this way he could prevent even more deaths.

Is downloading the BD's worth it for this series? Or should i stick to DVD's.

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>>153480171
Stick to the original, the bd's "update" some scenes but there isn't any transition so a lot of scenes will have a jarring change from old to new animation style.

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>>153480490
the bds and the dvds are the same, they both have the reanimated scenes. you have to get the vhs version if you want the shitty looking old scenes

>>153480718
>vhs version
Laserdisc, actually. How about that blast from the past. There is a VHS edition too I guess but the only rips I've seen online are of the LD.

Would LOGH work as a live action show in the west? Something like Game of Thrones in space?

>>153481173
oh, you're right. there were a couple scenes that were ruined by the updated animation, namely kircheis' death but overall the new scenes help more than they hurt

>>153481255
I think if it had the budget and the acting power sure. I've shown to a lot of people who like game of thrones and they've liked it. Most of them are normies. It and monster I think could be the best western adaptations if they were made.

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>>153462130
Is LoGH really the greates anime of all time (nigh perfect) or was it all just a long ruse? I've torrented the whole series and have it in my backlog but seeing the amount of episodes and old animation I'm just not sure I'm ready to invest my time on something that'll disappoint me.

>>153466331
Funny enough, the Roman Empire's successful reigns are typically established by Emperors that aren't related to dynasties, but instead are 'adopted' (grown men) and chosen by the previous emperors for their capabilities.

>>153481636

It's worth it, I watched it four times or so and it keeps getting better and better everytime I watch it.

>>153481636
The one potential pitfall to prevent you from enjoying the series is putting too much stock into the tactics of the battles, its more important what the battles mean to the story. Why are they fighting and whats at stake, if you can keep that in mind, there is no way you'll regret this beautiful anime.

>>153462395
I'd say it changes in tone a lot, but it's sort of necessary in a way, if yang had died in some glorious way and won or been utterly crushed the message of history repeating itself would have been much weaker or lost.

>>153469378
Because it looks better

>>153468562
Battle of the Corridor also, there's a flashback sequence early in the show where Al Heinessen? shoots up through a bunch of ice to destroy an opposing fleet. Probably some other times too. On the whole though its 100% Napoleonic Wars or something of the same time period in space,

>>153471861
Poplan, Schenkopp, and that virgin admiral are all pretty funny while playing matchmaker with Julian and the redhead. Ultimately though the scale is dead and the action shifts to the tragedy that the show ends up being. IMO probably the point, if the show had only been a heroic story about great people fighting and dying gloriously I think that message of history constantly being awful and repeated would have been missed.

>>153468975
SIEG KAISER REINHARTO
SIEG NEUE REICHI

>>153479133
He regrets what he's done, but that's just human. He still pulls his shit together and fights the battles he feels need to be fought while doing his best to protect people that he cares about. I don't see what's pathetic about that, unless you think just being human is pathetic.

>>153479250
The duty of the fucking Reich is to defend civilians, that was the whole point of Reinhard's cause. Reinhard was a big dumb fuck for listening to a faggot who can't understand shit other than numbers. The lives of soldiers don't matter any more than the lives of civilians, in fact, they matter less. The soldiers have already given their lives in oath to serve Reinhard to their deaths, civilians are innocents who never had a say on the matter. The people who died there were not cattle, yet Oberstein couldn't see their true value other than as a cheap cheat to win the game. The deaths of those civilians meant nothing in the end, and by leaving their ideology of righteousness behind, Reinhard's cause was meaningless. Because he was a dumb egotistical kid he couldn't see this at first, but he would be affected by it for the rest of his life. By not having punished Oberstein, his life lost all meaning.

>>153484233
Just being human is pathetic.

Yang is a sensible individual, the world would be a better place if all people were like him.

Reinhard is a great leader, the world would be a better place if leaders were like him.

Kircheis, he's both the best leader and the best kind of person in the world. The world would be a better place if god were like him.

>>153484309
I don't see why taking the oath makes their death worth less. Of course it might make it easier for Reinghard/Empire to justify it to themselves, but at the end of the day people die and aren't going home to their families, no matter what oath they took.

>>153484417
The people there made the greatest act of freedom by giving away their liberty. They chose to follow Reinhard and to die by his orders. Their deaths are not meaningless, but their lives belong to Reinhard, it was their choice.

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>>153463223
>"The significance of this encounter wouldn't be clear for 3 more years"

Well FUCK YOU NARRATOR.

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>>153463359
Wouldn't have made a difference.

>>153484797
even if their lives do theoretically belong to the empire, throwing them away hurts people other than the soldiers themselves. Their families friends etc. didn't sign an oath to have their son brother husband die.

>>153467864
>The "strategy" aspect of the show is perhaps the weakest.

I like it a lot. It makes me think of ancient-era battles.

>>153471714

ok this one fucking killed me

>>153484984
It it sorta interesting but it requires an insane amount of suspension of disbelief for be because my god real life space war would not be napoleonic wars on a 2D plane, in space, along with the complete lack of explanation for the FTL tech etc.

>>153480718
Oh boy I'm glad I watched the redrawn version.

>>153468626
>The relationship between politics and the military, societal effects of long-term wars, logistics, personnel issues, etc..
In that department the show nails almost every single aspect, yeah.

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What other characters should be added to this chart?

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>>153477660
I think he might have meant within the show, but Yakumo is masterfully written.

Every time i want to hate him I can't, but I can't condone how he acts either.

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>>153462130

>>153485214
Walter, Jessica and that old general, B something, can't quite remember.

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>>153485281
>that old general, B something

Bucock?

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>>153477017
>calls someone else a dumbass because he didn't specify what he meant

>>153485314
Fuck yeah, thanks. This scene was terrific!

>>153485214
>Kircheis is the perfect balance

pottery

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>Everyone else suffers
>Kesler gets a good end with best girl

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>>153485397
>Best Girl
>Not Katerose

>>153485069
I'm not an expert in ancient warfare or anything close but I feel if you'd replace every ship with a soldier on a 2D plane the battles do make a lot of sense.

They feel realistic enough it's like a total-war match.

From what I've read about the art of war by sun tzu Yang and Reinhard follow it pretty closely.

>amount of suspension of disbelief
It has good internal logic and it remains consistent throughout the series. That's the most important part.

Sometimes you hear characters say the ships are attacking from the top or the bottom. But yeah, it's mostly on a 2D plane.

>>153485249
Is that the principal from prison school?

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>>153485746

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>>153485480
>Katerose
>good

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>>153486609
Him and Annerose would have made amazing, godly babies.

Never hear much about Annerose, whom uwittingly spurned the creation of the Lohengramm Dynasty and suffered the loss of the man she loved.

I can only hope that in Valhalla that she, Siegfried and Reihard laugh and pass eternity away together with Yang and Bucock, playing 3D Chess and enacting grand mock battles of strategy.

But we already know how that ends up.

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>>153487785
And a stitch that no one asked for

>>153487810
Admiral Kempff, what's wrong with your face?

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>>153487881
He made a joke about Reuenthal's Heterochromia being one side lighter than the other. Oscar spray tanned him while he was sleeping. Kircheis held the piece of paper they used to get only one side.

here's the "fixed" version

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>>153487650
Oberstein is her real father, confirmed

>>153485620
I'm pretty sure the 2D-tactics are intentional. I don't think the author even was trying to attempt at giving his take on what a futuristic war would be like.

>>153488034
Perfect. What a beautiful picture of a bunch of losers.

>losing the Iserlohn Corridor
>losing Heinessen
>losing the Iserlohn Corridor
>losing the Iserlohn Corridor
>losing Iserlohn itself
>losing one's sanity
If only Kircheis wasn't there, if only Kircheis didn't have to hang out with those losers.

You fools, neither Yang nor Reinhardt had the correct answer, the point of Kircheis death was the destruction of the middle ground. It prevented them from making peace with eachother. The actual answer was something in between like a republic, or Socratic aristocracy

>>153488581
also forgot to mention that Kircheis was an example of what happens when a leader does not allow for a chain of command but treats all beneath him equally.

>>153473494
No, adulthood is dropping this shit chinese cartoon and moving on to actually good ones, or to books and superior Western TV and film.

>>153489222
I think you're lost. This is the /a/ LoGH thread, not the /tv/ LoGH thread.

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>>153488399
>that list
fucking kek

Now imagine a picture with all the loser admirals from the alliance and how disgusting large it would be.

The only Admirals worth a damn would be Yang, Bucock and Fischer.

>>153488695
>also forgot to mention that Kircheis was an example of what happens when a leader does not allow for a chain of command but treats all beneath him equally.
can you explain? so if he had a gun as the first mate, he wouldnt have died?

>>153481255
No way people are going to care for a Space Nazi. That means, either Reinhard becomes a standard edgy villain, which robs the show of all its depth, or tumblr explodes (and not only tumblr) and it gets canned.

>>153489368
He died because Oberstein got his gun privileges taken away

>>153481255
It's too focused on dialogue and politics to work with that crowd. You'd have to cut a lot to get it to work.

>>153481636
For me it was a ruse. But for kids who've never seen\read anything historical\politial\philosophical and half-decent before this must be the second coming of Jesus. And they have overrated and overhyped it to the point it just physically cannot live up to the hype. The source a Japanese light novel. Even average Westen historical\sci-fi lit blows it out of the water.

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>>153468975
SEIGAROO MEIN KAISO REINJIHARDO

>>153489493
There isn't much SF that matches it

>>153489493
>The source a Japanese light novel.
They're actual novels.

>>153489536
There isn't a difference besides marketing and maybe a few more pictures

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>>153484399
>The world would be a better place if god were like him.
Wow. Go to bed, time to die of space AIDS, you degenerate blasphemer.

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>>153462130
Yang could have killed Reinhard, plunged the empire into civil war, and give his county a second chance by having it rebuild its military and economy while the empire destroys theirs.

Instead, he obeyed the order and stood down. But then, mere moments later, he disobeyed his orders to surrender by allowing a portion of his fleet to run away.

Justify this, Yangfags.

>>153489572
Yeah, my bad, I forgot how all Japanese writing is comprised of shit like "My Little Sister's Pet Frog Has a Crush On Me and Also She's a Witch??" aimed at teenage otaku. LoGH isn't high literature or anything (it's just genre fiction after all) but it still doesn't have a whole lot common with LNs.

>>153488581
>Kircheis death(...)prevented them from making peace with eachother.
I always wondered about this, how would Kircheis surviving actually prevent the war from escalating?
Kircheis was always supportive of Reinhard's conquest (only opposing when he "goes too far") and there's no way he somehow would've convinced Yang to surrender.
Honestly, considering in the end Reinhard unifies the entire known universe, his death was probably a good thing in the long run.
Thanks, Oberstein.

>>153467707
A corridor is a part of a house, usually straight and long with many doors that open into other rooms. A room to get to other rooms from. The "walls" in space are metaphorical, it's just that outside those walls is a metric fuckton of black holes and uncharted space that you can't really fly through safely.

>>153489512
>I haven't read much SF
Fixed your typo, don't thank me :3

>>153489785
I read a lot when I was a teenager, don't waste my reading time with genre fiction much now though

>>153489603
civil war would just mean more people dying and the war would continue for lords know how long resulting in even more deaths.

im not a yangfag, i dont fully agree with what he did but i can understand why he did it.

>>153489474
It sounds like you haven't seen GoT. GoT is almost all talking heads. Rarely does anything actually happen besides talking.
Watching GoT made me think something like LoGH could work on HBO, provided it wasn't spoiled out in the wild. I think GoT works largely because the novels aren't finished.

>>153489257
>/tv/ LoGH thread
You know those are a mistake, don't you? And that '/tv/ is a shitty board already' is no excuse?

>>153489954
But war did continue. Yang literally let some of his men run away so they could continue the war. If his intention was to surrender to prevent further suffering, he would not have allowed it.

Besides, FPA was literally founded by a ragtag group of refugees fleeing a penal colony ran by the empire that literally ruled over the entire human species and suffering immesurable hardship on their way to gain freedom and liberty. To surrender and allow them to enslave you just to end the suffering is completely antithetical to founding FPA ideals.

Yang was a crypto-Reinhardist who only wanted to look good in future history books.

>>153490315
>those are a mistake
Nope.

/tv/ is for ALL television and film, including Japan and including animation.

I cried when I finished LOGH. No other anime has come close to being as good.

>>153490337
Yang recognized that Reinhard was the best case scenario at the time, the only problem can when he died

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>>153490405
>/tv/ is for ALL television and film, including Japan and including animation.

Why does /a/ exist then?

Are you reading the novels? I still haven't read the third one because there is still a long time until the fourth volume is released.

>>153490606
so we can have a place to shove all the annoying weeaboos

>>153490633
Yeah, the translation is pretty shit but it's still nice to own them

>>153490606
Board topics overlap. Lean to deal with it.

Or do you think you'll get banned if you start an Eva thread on /a/ instead of /m/?

>>153490651
What's wrong with the translations? Any specific examples?

>>153490651
Reading them shows me that the adaptation is really faithful to the source material.

>>153490690
It feels really basic, like no thought was put into it beyond "make these Japanese words readable in English". The dialogue especially feels very bland which really takes away from the charm of the characters. No specific examples because it's been a few months since I read v3 and they're all currently in a box somewhere.

The translator of v1-v3 is not the same as v4 though, so maybe we'll get some more quality then.

>>153490729
I didn't realize that they were changing translators.

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>>153489493
>look at me, i'm being a contrarian and no one can stop me

Just like a kid who can only validate his own likes by denouncing those of others, you paint broad strokes and expect others to assume that there is some profound meaning in your words that is beyond their comprehension. Learning proper sentence structure would be a better use of your time and might add some weight to your facetious arguments.

For the record, I personally like it more for it's portrayal of tragedy, camaraderie and mutual respect for warriors on the other side of the battle. Philosophically speaking I find Yang and Julian interesting, but not profound.

The bottom line I see is that you don't like to like the popular things; Feeling like a special snowflake is easier when you don't share popular opinion.

You fit right in, newfag.

I'm ashamed it took me so long to finally start watching this despite being told how good it is.

>>153491545
If you're anything like me, you have a backlog of dozens of anime/manga/comics/games/films/television shows/actual books/etc that you haven't gotten to yet despite often being told by many people "how good" they are.

There's no shame in getting to an A+ work years late because you were busy searching for other A+ works in the meantime.

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>>153466930
Kek, mani da gledas anime.

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>>153491545
Nigga, I marathoned it two weeks ago in 5 days. I couldn't stop watching so don't feel bad.

Doesn't matter if you're late to the party, you still came. Be like me, always coming.

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>>153476831
Well oberstien didn't actually understand and of the things he talked about, Reinhard was a posterboy for an idea who had a character arc at one point but it sorta never develops beyond "IF ONLY KIRCHEIS WAS HERE" and Yang was a moderately well developed, but schizophrenic character.

In conclusion the only really well realised character is fucking Julian.

>>153492290
Oh also somehow, in the entire military staffs for both the Empire and the Alliance. no one read, or had achieved a knowledge base comparable to fucking Clauswitz. And being able to understand force concentration made you a military genius.

>>153485214
>Yang as a left lib
Wrong.

>>153462130

You might be right

I never ever was on Reinhard's side when I watched the anime, and I watched it as an adult only

Some of the people fighting for Reinhard were good, but Reinhard himself was a little faggot baby

Yang was a Real Man, just like me

>>153492149

The last pic in this meme isn't from LotGH is it? I dont remember anyone's head being blown off, only some Terraist cultist got shot in the head and his brain dripped out of his skull slowly, I masturbated to that

>>153492891
It's from the most recent manga adaptation, which takes a lot of liberties.

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>>153492318
>tries to sound intellectual
>misspells every other word
>doesn't capitalize
>misuses terms

Opinion discarded.

>>153492957
So who is that? Whose head

>>153492995
I've only been skimming through the more recent chapters so I don't really remember. It was some FPA commander. Not anybody particularly important. Might have been somebody at Astarte?

>>153492980
Have you read the novels?

Yang literally goes from quietly discussing military theory to literally screaming about how everyone should be pacifist. The anime did a lot to make the story more palatable by toning a lot of things the fuck down and slowing it down. Reinhard doesn't really ever deal with his shit and Oberstein has clearly only ever read some kind of summery of the prince.

And almost everyone in LoGH is actually militarily incompetent. Unless you want to counter-point how no one in LoGH is as well read as your average officer cadet in the real world.

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>>153493072
>Yang literally goes from quietly discussing military theory to literally screaming about how everyone should be pacifist.
He's truly a libertarian.

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>>153493072
>considering the military competence of fictional characters

I'm not an authority on the competence of Officers and only have limited experience dealing with the enlisted as an enlisted myself, so I could not tell you if someone was militarily incompetent outside of conduct and behavior, which is highly relative to the military service they are in.

The great thing about books is that you can see them in the light you want to. I'm not arguing they didn't verbatim say that Yang was yelling like a schizophrenic, I have in fact not read the novels and am only a filthy secondary, but I would argue that you might have a slight bias in making that statement.

True enough, books take advantage of that to help paint their story, but my point largely goes off the assumption that he was arguing the ideal that everyone should be a pacifist, but knows that such ideals are impossible especially given the fact that he is a rare case of enjoying the tactical aspect of battle but being able to live peacefully with no regrets.

It is not a stretch to say Yang was written largely to appear as a contradiction, but also in a way where you could reason that he's actually not at all.

I personally think everyone would be better if we were all pacifists, but at the same time I love fighting to a fault and am willing to do harm to protect others and what I believe in but not needlessly.

To put it very simply: My boy, this peace is what all true warriors strive for!

"Walk softly and carry a big stick." works too.

>>153463061
I recommend you download the torrent bakabt has the best version. It is the blu-ray version. https://bakabt.me/details.php?id=163344&page=0

>>153463091
This desu.

>>153468975
SIEG KAISER REINHARDTOO

I finished the show and two of the movies some time ago. Should i check out the OVA's? are they any good?

>>153468562
They do, you're retarded and just look at the monitors instead of listening. Hell they even have a few 3D monitors at one point. They are rare but there and it shows that the formations are across three planes.

>>153468975

SIEG KAISER REINHARD!

>>153471325
Fuck you m8.

>>153484910
Families don't own people, anon. Every person has the liberty to regard the importance of others according to their own values, that's the way things are. All their families can do is accept and understand the choice of the soldier giving his life for the cause. To be allowed to kill people means allowing yourself to get killed as well.

>>153471325

Oscar was pretty pathetic here

He killed million of Empire soldiers for nothing

Oberstein was completely right

A solid LOGH thread on /a/? What?

>>153496161
Soldi?

>>153496512
It says solid.

>>153496161
Solid?

Looks like a bunch of Empire excuse executors in here

>>153496609
Stay mad FPA shitter.

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>>153496609
There are FPAfags here, too. Including myself.

>>153468975
SIEG KAISER REINHARD!

>>153468562
They usually don't do that unless it's an ambush or there is some natural terrain that allows for that.

If they didn't engage in a 2D battle in the middle of nowhere they would be giving bigger targets to the enemy because of how ships are built.

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Why was this chick in only one episode? She had potential.

>>153498012
The military coup got rid of all the council members except for the 3 who voted against the invasion.

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>You will never go on fun adventures with Bittenfeld, charging blindly into danger on the sexiest black battleships and high on esprit de corps.

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>>153498601
Truniht being the only politician with a decent amount of screentime was a slight mistake. Having a bloodthirsty ideologue like Cornelia Windsor around would have given more nuance to the rotten state of the FPA politics.

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>beam cannon fire!

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>>153498712
I was happy with Lebello's transformation from a noble courageous hard-working idealist to a cowardly pragmatic sellout.

And let's not forget Lewi/Louis/Rui, who never once compromised his ideals or did anything wrong. The politician that the FPA needed, but not the one that it deserved.

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>>153463225
>Morals are set values which don't vary based on society and the individual's intellect

Yeah, how about finally finishing high school?

Anyone have the chart about the order to watch this in. Been on my backlog for to long

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>>153499042
iirc you watch the two movies, then the main show, then the rest

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>>153499042
Just watch the 110-episode series. That's the most important bit.

You can watch "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" and "Overture to a New War" first if you want, but it isn't necessary. I found them boring, to be honest.

>>153489699
>it still doesn't have a whole lot common with LNs
Maybe you should learn what an LN is before you start posting about them.

>>153490606
Because at some point people get tired of NGE, Bebop and Akira being referred to as hidden gems.

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>>153499170
Thanks anons
>44.64 GB
Jesus fucking christ this is going to take at least a day.

>>153499042
You start with the two movies and then watch from episode 3.

>>153499661
Jus download partially, it isn't like you're gonna watch it in one day

>>153499610
But don't I have patrician taste for watching dubs on Adult Swim? Somebody please appreciate me for watching obscure forgotten wonders on Adult Swim.

What? You watched Adult Swim too? My person of high melanin content.

How are Gaiden and Spiral Labirynth, anyway? I think I should check out something new instead of rewatching LoGH again.

I never idolized reinhard. Trying to rule people through force is barbaric

>>153502893
It's always better ot have a competent dictator than useless politicians.

>>153502757
I liked the first Gaiden and the latter half of the second one. They're not particularly worth watching, but if you just want more of the characters, go ahead. I just hate how they had to change the voice actor for Yang since the old one died. Hearing another voice for him feels wrong.

>>153503141
It's always better to have useless politicians than an incompetent dictator or a competent-but-self-serving dictator.

The Kaisers before Reinhard were terrible. There's little reason to believe that Kaisers after Reinhard won't be terrible too, since that's how history works in LoGH.
>In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

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>>153462395
The show fucking ramps up even more after 82. Wait til THE fucking Reuenthal arc.

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>>153462130
>I idolize Yang and look up to him as a cult of personality idol figure like the Iserlohn drones.

>>153462130
Go to bed gramps.

>>153504199
I was comparing Reinhard's reign to FPA's democracy, but I agree, democracy is still far better on it's worse than autocracy.

>>153498876
This

The people of FPA are ultimately the ones responsible for putting men like Trunith in power

>>153499661

Psst

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxNOCbxLVFDkmoBjF79VbCbQhhVGdnxtF

>>153507065
>streaming

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>>153507997

>autism

>>153499553
The poster you're responding to is right and you're wrong.
There's a world of difference in composition. Even stuff propped up as good LN's read like 7th grade youth novels.

>>153473851
Because not all men are the same. Some perform heroic deeds and some job hard like Fork.

You guys are making me want to rewatch this...

But as I'm no longer a NEET I just don't have the time... Greatest anime of all time tho.

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Reinhardt = Alexander the Great Napoleon
Yang = Yi Sun-sin / Nelson
Trunicht = Trump
Fork = Blair

>>153471692
>eugenics
>bad