Harem anime and beta males

>>153411186
snecki is cute

Because then they would be hentai anime.
What a stupid question.

Aside from Araragi from Monogatari, what harem anime has alpha male leads?

>>153411217
You can be alpha without sex involved.

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>>153411228
an all too rare example is T7

>>153411228
A harem LN not yet animated named Majika Kenshi something something has an alpha MC named Kazuki who while at first acts like a beta, snaps out of it.

if you dont want to hold the MC's head underwater then you're not watching harem

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>>153411186
Because it turns out those are only good for comedies.

>>153411186
Lack of relatablility, marketability, and conflict

Because the harem aspect would last two episodes max and the rest would be a romantic drama about a man and his lover fending off jealous bitches

>>153411186
I'm more curious why we don't get more harem animes with a female MC.

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>>153411186

>>153411399
We do, it's called real life.

>>153411186
>unsuitable self insert for otaku
>series would just be porn instead of the blueballing carrot-on-stick shit that people eat up

>Shoujo anime
>Girl and guy become a couple relatively fast
>Male targeted anime
>Blueballs the reader for hundreds of chapter

What did they mean by this?

>>153411186
A guy fucks a bunch of girls. How do you make an interesting show out of that without resorting to hentai?

>>153411399
because /u/fags are autistic and don't actually know what they like

Because it would turn into porn very quick.

>>153411493
>Have the main plot run alongside the harem action seperately
>Have white knights challenge the MC

>>153411493
The Rance series has been going on for a while now, they seem to know what they're doing there.

>>153411186
>Shou1
>Beta
He has touched more girls than you in your entire lifetime

>>153411493
Have it completely in the background with maybe the occasional offhand mention.

>>153411186
>Seiren
>harem

pick one

>>153411482
>What is fujoshit

Maybe the MC can be alfa and everyone wants to fuck all the time but something prevents them. Like some retarded magic reason.

>>153411186
Because the hopeless NEET virgins won't be able to self-insert and relive their boring high school days

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>>153411186
So insecure nerds can self-insert.

I kind of like how Strike the blood handles it. MC lewds up half the girls for plot device reasons. It's not strictly a harem anime, however, even though a harem is present

>>153411186
Because it's not a harem you nigger?

>harem with a beta lead
might as well watch yuri desu

>>153411228
Dai ushiro mao
Hagare yuusha no estetica
DxD(Sort of alpha)
Mouse
Urusei Yatsura (And probably any show from 80th-90th, Ranma)
Campione
Dakara H dekinai
Denpa Kyoushi (Sort of)
Mahouka
Mondaiji-tachi
Rokka no Yusha
Rakudai kishi (Almost alpha)
To aru kagaku no railgun
Trinity seven
Busou renkin
Fight ippatsu juden chan (MC hitting girl with baseball bat so hard that she wet herself)
Lime iro senkitan
Myv-Luv (In Every universe MC is strong)
Nanatsu no taizai (almost harem)
Oretachi tsubasa ga nai
Akame ga kill (almost strong)
Akaneiro
Aldonah zero (NTR NTR)
Ao no 6-gou
Asura Cryin (but garbage)
Ayakashi
Battle Programmer Shirase (MC is not alpha but dis is good)
Berserk - this is harem now
Boku wa tomodachi
Code Geass
D.C.: Da Capo
DearS
Denpa-teki na Kanojo
Full Metal Panic!
Gantz
Gate
Golden Boy
GTO
Grisaia no Kajitsu
Hataraku Maou-sama!
Mao mao Yuusha
Heavy Object
Highschool of the Dead (Not sure if alpha)
Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari (And all tenichi universe, probably the strongest MC ever)
Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai (He is neet alpha)
Katanagatari (MC is a slut)
Kaze no Stigma (incest)
Kiseijuu
Kiss x Sis
Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate (alpha waves a lil bit)
Kure-nai
Macademi Wasshoi!
Major (Not harem but MC is the best representation of average irl Alpha)
Gundam seed and probably every gundam series, where romance exist
Ojisan to Marshmallow (He is alpha but he didn't realised it yet)
Oniichan no Koto nanka Zenzen Suki ja Nai n da kara ne
Overlord
Phantom
Photon
Princess Lover!
RahXephon
RE zero
School days (bad end)
Seitokai no Ichizon
Sekirei
Shingetsutan Tsukihime
Fate universe
Shokugeki no Souma
Shuffle!
Sword Art Online
Touka Gettan
Utawarerumono
White Album
Zero no Tsukaima

>>153411186
Because that would result in actual romance, which is harder to write than generic harem antics.

>>153411482
>Girl and guy become a couple relatively fast

Even that is done satisfyingly far roe rarely than you'd expect.

>>153411855
Love triangles aren't harems you fucking imbecile.

>>153411855
Name a single one that's actually worth watching.

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>>153411855
>Railgun
Why did you list the spinoff?

>>153411520
Isn't that the whole point of a harem, to give multiple options so you can find one or two you do like?

>>153411875
Oh really?
Tell it to your advocate.

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Because a harem about Bobby Thundercock dicking a slew of waifus would be a hentai series.

That or it would accidentally morph into a /sp/orts show about baseball.

>>153411902
C&P
Miss

>>153411855
>Fate Universe
Everything about Shiro is pretty much the archetypical "normal beta guy becomes the strongest character ever".
He cooks and gets ordered around by everyone.
Moralfag.
Gets taken advantage of.
He's not even a trained magic user and he stands toe-to-toe with Archer and beats him.
Then he beats Gilgamesh.
And they turned King-motherfucking-Arthur into a girl just for the harem plot.

Comeon dude.

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>>153411962
I mean, even then the T is alpha in a different sense than what they're looking for here. Shinobu is more the type of alpha they want even though anime never.

>checking replies
>being alpha means fucking everyone you meet
Come on /a/.

>>153412058
and it's the same for Kirito in SAO as well. At the start he's like a NEET and his sister absolitely hates him. Until [plotdevice] and suddenly everything works out to the point where they mend their relationship and becomes a """real adult""" with a kid.

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The only harem protag that was actually good was the one from Trinity Seven, He was funny and pretty alpha.

but the harem genre is a pile of irredeemable shit anyway

>>153412058
>normal beta guy
Get killed, ressurected, didn't give a damn goes with it, haven't got PTSD.
Filled servants and users with MANA.
He is the sertain alpha.
>>153412097
You can't be born alpha you learn and develop to be it.

>alpha/beta dichotomy
Insecure bullshit from another board.

>>153412097
>his sister absolitely hates him.
Not really, they were not close but they didn't hate each other either.
>>153412325
Thank you, someone had to say it.

>>153412325
>alpha/beta dichotomy doesn't exist

you're burying your head in the sand

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>>153411917
no I mean how /u/fags are always delusional about characters in shows with no explicit lesbianism claiming "this character is a total player I bet she's fingering all the girls off screen," but they don't actually want to watch a show where it happens on screen because it upsets their sensibilities or something.

>>153411943
disgusting used goods

wouldn't even sell in a clearance sale

>>153412427
Sorry, I don't know this meme.

>>153411855
>no Trinity Seven
invalid list

>>153412478
If anything they don't want shows where the characters seem to be lesbian at first but it turns out they were actually straight all along.

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>>153411186
Makes it harder to self-insert.
MC is supposed to be an idealized version of yourself. The only part of you that can really translate into 2D is your personality. If his personality is nothing like yours, you can't relate.

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>>153411399
Plenty of those exist, just not as many because the harem fantasy isn't generally as appealing to girls.

>>153412618
You get fantasies of things you can't achieve in real life. Girls can easily achieve and keep a harem of guys at their call.

>>153412584
>Makes it harder to self-insert.
I don't know why this is even needed.
Fucking capitalism.

>>153412686
The kind of girl who likes anime probably can't.

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>>153412694
If you don't self-insert unconsciously you don't belong here because it means you have a somewhat fulfilling life.

>>153412706
To be fair, the same can be said for guys who like anime as well.

>>153412706
Valid point.

>>153412686
Most guys wouldn't be ok with that though.

>>153412706
>>153412750
Isn't that just an /a/ meme?

>>153412750
And there's lots more guys like that, so following the original point there's more harem anime made for guys.

See girls get fucked -> you don't want to see another guy fuck your waifu -> merchandise won't sell as well as pure cute girls

>>153412732
I've been on /a/ for over ten years, I don't think I'll ever leave.

Boy I sure do love another /r9k/ thread where unironic weeaboos jerk each other off.

>>153412790
That's fine. You still don't belong here.

>>153412778
While I think anime is mainstream, I haven't met many people (esp Japanese) with real jobs and their own family who are my age and like anime.
Anime is a fantasy, an indulgence. Normies who have real-life shit won't be spending their free time on it.

>>153412814
What are you going to do about it besides crying? Honest question.

>>153412584
but I would totally be a harem master if I could show my true personality and not get arrested

>>153412850
Nothing. If I could do something I would've done it already.
It's ok though. Crying about it is good enough for me.

>>153412838
Normalfags like fantasy stuff though, it's just that anime is not a mainstream hobby and many people think cartoons are only for children.

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>>153412732
It's got a lot more to do with self-awareness than having a fulfilling life (which I lack). Sadly not everyone that criticizes weeaboos is a "normalfag" or whatever boogeyman made up to leverage your feelings about your lifestyle being the right thing, especially when otaku are the reason this industry is keeps getting shittier by the year.

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>>153412732

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REMEMBER THE KING OF ALPHAS

NAME ANOTHER MC THAT HAS AN EQUAL OR BIGGER DICK THAN BASARA "Soda can thiccness" TOUJOU
Pro tip: you cannot if you don't mention hentai

>>153412706
They can, just not the hot ones.

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>>153412957
Being self-aware doesn't stop me from desiring things I will never have. Intimacy in this case which I substitute for with haremshit.
If it does for you then good for you because you are more mature than me.

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>>153413096
Unexpected reply, but I like it. Cheers.

>>153412941
There's fantasy, then there's ingratiating fantasy. There's stuff like LOTR which has all the adventuring, friendship, growth stuff. Aragorn is born a king and reliazes his rightful place and role int he world and the payoff is satisfying for people who watched him since the first movie when he was a ranger.
Then there's SAO, this no-life loser who becomes pretty much a god and matures into an adult with responsibilities """inside a videogame""". Can we take a moment to appreciate this?
And this having a kid bullshit sure is convenient when she (yes, otakus tend to like having kawaii daughters) is born practically a fully thinking child with none of the hard child raising stuff like waking up every hour when it cries, feeding it with breastmilk, changing diapers, watching it 24/7 when it's sleeping so it won't choke on its own tongue and when it's awake so it doesn't fall to its death.

You're right about how anime isn't mainstream hobby. The real gold is live-action, whether it's movies or drama series. The big-boy stuff breaks the bank.

>>153413063
not even half as good as the hagure yusha guy

>>153411186
It doesn't really matter.

What does matter however is if its a real harem or a pseudo harem where nothing happens. Does the MC do something with his harem like finally has sex with them? Do the heroines have personality? Do they get development before joining the harem and after becoming part of it? Do they have dissatisfaction with the harem or rather how do they cope with the whole polygamous relationship? Do they setup some sorta rules for themselves? How do they even enter MCs harem in the first place and how believable is it? Is it because MC is a "nice" guy(The worst thing that can happen in a harem) or a good looking macho chad etc.

>>153413393
I'd honestly feel better about the harem genre if the MC actually earned it instead of everything being handed to them.

>>153413493
Does that even happen in academy/battle harems? I don't think I remember one where the MC actually earned it.

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>>153412584
Self-inserting is the shittiest part of this industry. It turns the most important person in the story into a bland, boring excuse of a character and halts any interesting, unusual or simply entertaining developments.

And the most disgusting part of it is the delusion that so called beta nice guys actually represent average viewers, while in reality being their exact opposites. Harem MCs are selfless, idealistic, pure, willing to take a risk for someone, hard-working, with strong sense of friendship, and genuinely kind towards girls - while the audience is full of selfish, cynical, jaded manchildren, unable to take any action, to self-improve, with warped perception of human relationships, viewing every girl as a walking sex toy.
This is the real pinnacle of escapism - not a harem of devoted cute girls, not a magical adventure in another world, but this whole "the MC is just like me!" delusion.

>>153413779
Generally everything being convenient and handed down to MCs for free is preferred by otakus since they've usually failed in a society since it's an anti-thesis to the work ethic+hard work which is really important.

>>153413918
MC is bland and boring because he is like the average viewer but then he is the opposite of the average viewer.
I'm not sure you thought this through?

>>153411186
Cause shows need to maintain a status quo

>>153413989
>MC is bland and boring because he is like the average viewer
Where does it say that?

>>153412895
If everyone won't be arrested, they will be welfare-leeching ass first though.

>>153413978
the idea that you have to earn a relationship is very unromantic. it implies that the girl is only with you as a reward for work done and that any feelings are dependent on value provided.

>>153414007
The MC being a blank slate and the self-insert audience thinking MC is just like them aren't correlated, apparently I misread. My bad.

>>153414103
I think you took the word "earn" way too literally, or you don't know how human relations work. Love at first sight is a farce.

>>153414103
This is true. Working is tough, getting everything you want without it is practically all the good feelings without the suffering.

>>153414103
I'm not going to judge you if you've never had a girlfriend as I've never had one either, but do you at least have/had friends?

>>153414124
Target audience for harem is people who failed at/ rejected human relations.

>>153414103
>the idea that you have to earn a relationship is very unromantic
On the contrary, bonds been formed out of nowhere with no sacrifices is what I'd call unromantic (and very idealistic)

>>153414216
>>153414247
wew lad
Some people prefer their fantasy idealized. I really don't see anything wrong with this.

>>153414216
>>153414162
>>153414124
>>153414247
Otaku/NEETs are people who have fucked up in real-life. They enter a VN or an anime with a conscious or unconscious realization that their success is guaranteed. It's fantasies being granted, everything you ever wanted despite them being a failure.

Do you guys get why it's better to just be given everything rather than to work for it? It's because they've already tried and failed, making them work for it in a game/anime will remind them of IRL.

>>153413198
Honestly I'd take some anime over most of the western live action any time, though the opposite is also true.

>>153414275
Simply put, it's bad writing.

>>153414334
Even VNs have routes you need to clear for a character to love you though.

Post 90's anime were a mistake.

>>153414388
I'd say the process of sitting in front of a computer, knowing that there is a route that exists where every girl can fall in love with you is much easier than finding the perfect girl for you in real life and hoping that you have the baseline personality/looks for her to even consider you worthy of being a romantic partner, before all the hard stuff begins where you make her your girlfriend.

I don't know how to explain it, but all that is really down to fate/circumstance. Whether you meet a person in the point of her life where she's looking for a boyfriend, whether at that point in time where she'll even consider you as a possible bf, your actions, whether or not you're coming on too strong, or whether she's the type to first be friends before you can become a couple, etc.

>>153414388
You can still restart an infinite number of times and always know winning is just a matter of selecting the right choices from a rather short list.

>>153414462
>>153414475
Hey, I'm asking stories to be more developed/fleshed out/well-written, not be exactly like real life.

>>153411186
shit literally would end in the first chapter or end on a niceboat

Why are people perfectly fine with power fantasy in literally every media but when it also includes romantic power fantasy everyone flips their shit?

>>153414512
/a/ has higher standards than the rest of the population

>>153414512
I for one am not fine with either.

>>153414124
real life is unromantic. your parents are the only ones who will ever care about you even if you're a worthless NEET. the idea of a woman who isn't related to you who will love you for who you are and not what you do for her is just as much a fantasy as being a hero who fights monsters and shit.

>>153411874
>alls the reader for hundre
I have been in a Shojo/josei reading spree and can say that more than half of the series I have read the character get together by about by Volume 2-4

i guess women are more interested in the relationship while men are more interested in chasing after women?

>>153414533
I don't know why you got so angry you resorted to personal attacks, but on your second idea, what you do also defines what you are, you know?

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>>153414533
>tfw parents don't even care about you

>make a harem series about a masculine alpha guy
>its one episode long in which the MC just picks up a bunch of girls

this is probably why

>>153414483
You're asking too much probably when you consider the people writing these VNs/anime. Most writers are fulfilling their own fantasies in their works, and it's not like they'll hire love experts or whatever so the source material is limited to their life exp.

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>>153411186
Some do

But you just ignore them and focus on the betas

>>153414560
Not him but I don't think that was an insult, he was talking about NEETs in general.

>>153414603
Oh right. I'm sorry >>153414533.

>>153414533
>real life is unromantic
Guys, have you ever asked how your parents got together? I'm old enough where my friends have gotten married.
One of them married because his girl accidentally got pregnant.
Another had his wife ask "you wanna get hitched?" while they were on the couch watching a series. They had their wedding in their backyard and both are working towards paying off their shit.
Contrast this to what happens in an anime where MC's partner suddenly realizes that she loves him which leads to the grand confession in the final ep/chapter.

>>153414546
Men fantasy is about being chased rather doing most of the chasing and the getting what you want easily rather working hard for it.

Women fantasy is a long lasting relationship that can withstand a lot of conflicts and trouble.

It appeals to both gender because of what they can't get in real life.

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You people take this all veeery seriously. So I've been reading the king of wish fullfillment lately and its comedy gold, enjoy it fags:

Good morning, everyone.
Good morning, it's a good morning isn't it virgin fellows!
Virginity is only forgiven until elementary school it seems, but are you all okay?
Oh my, I was no good. Haha... I'm soon to be 13 years old after all.
If we were to convert it I would be a middle school student. Haha!!
And then Hello, non-virgin fellows!
From today on I'm joining your group as well!
It's the so called, real fulfilling life, sort of thing right!
I couldn't have possibly imagined that I would be included on that side, but as a real fulfilling life beginner please warmly show me in.
They say there's no point fighting among the rich after all, let's just get along together!
You know that rumor that masturbating feels better than sex? Yeah, that's a lie.
After all, when masturbating that, or this, or the mouth, or below aren't attached.
There's no meaning to it if you don't taste their entire body.
Sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, everything to satisfy you is there.
I wonder if that's what's no good.
[Don't think you're a boyfriend just because you held her once], such a line is out there.
I get what you want to say.
Though you know.
How do I put it... you know.
If you circulate your hand around her lower back, then hold onto her tightly.
And then she'll put her hands around your back and hold you tightly.
The rough breathing that can be heard next to your ear, the gaze which intertwines together if you look at her face.
If you lick around her mouth she'll offer her tongue, and then the upper mouth and the lower mouth will both turn into a flood.

It feels like, reciprocal things become reciprocal and then it turns into a hustle.
Would that be the spiritual satisfaction I guess?
Requesting love and giving it.
That is? For a person who is used to it, they may be thinking, don't be mistaken right.

>>153414721
Are you sure you don't have that backwards?

>>153414737
However, that's impossible for a beginner like me.
I'm totally going to put on the face of a boyfriend.
And then since we're both beginners there's no problems.
I'm sure even Eris will want to put on the face of a girlfriend.

Oh my my my, excuse me. This was a topic that is a bit too stimulating for the virgin fellows wasn't it.
Excuse me, excuse me.

>>153414746

Sorry that you are old and now share women fantasy, anon.

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>>153412058
Shiki is the true alpha

>>153414746
If you want the second option it means you've matured, congratulations.

>>153414721
agreed

>>153411855
>DXD
Fuck off, stop reading there

>>153414721
What if they can get it in real life?

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>>153414855
He even put in Rokka no yuusha
Im guessing every show with a bit of romance is considered harem to anon

Men's fantasy is having a bunch of different diverse girls all crave his dick.

Women's fantasy is having 1 perfect guy who can do everything crave her personality.

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>>153414931
heh, that's where you're wrong, kid.

>>153414931
If that were true then only men would cheat. Girls love attention and the male-harems are just as appealing to them as they are to men.

>>153414952
She literally gets purified in the end.

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>>153414931
>Women's fantasy is having 1 perfect guy who can do everything crave her personality.

>>153414931
>women's fantasy

There really isn't anything like that. There's vague ideas about perfectly handsome men who ejaculate cash and take them to mysterious foreign countries every weekend, but those are placeholders really. In reality women themselves have absolutely no clue what they want, and the more they get the shittier people they become.

>>153411186
Because then there would be sex, which is illegal in Japan.

>>153414971
Why? She was already perfect.

>>153411228
Araragi is not alpha. He's a manlet with no friends who by chance was handed vampire powers, and he can't even use them to do awesome things - all he can do is getting beat up by girls. The only thing he's really good at is talking back at girls, but this doesn't make him alpha - plenty of beta losers consider themselves "suave" after all, which only further emphasises what kind of self-insert we're dealing with here: the self-insert for intelligent, nihilistic guys with a wicked sense of humour.

>>153411186
1. Seiren is not a harem anime.
2. Because if people wanted to see masculine alpha guys get girls they could simply leave the house. No need to watch anime for that.

>>153414931
>Women's fantasy is having 1 perfect guy who can do everything crave her personality.
Just one?

I would argue that the love triangle where the bland female protagonist needs to choose between the charming white prince and the dark bad boy who fight over her is the archaetypical female wish-fulfilment fantasy.

>>153414855
Issei declares right from the start that he's going to fuck all of the girls and build a harem. He does the impossible and goes from powerless loser to God-tier dragon demon thing and kicks the shit out of everybody. And at the end of the light novels, he literally gets all of the women pregnant. How is that not alpha?

>>153415152
pretty much this

>>153415152
Which one usually wins?

>>153415179
Issei is a male-wishfulfilment fantasy. He's a major dork, hated by pretty much all women, not particularly good looking, etc.
His life only begins when the plot hands him super demon powers and magically makes girls fall for him for being such a nice guy.

No shoujo manga ever would have a protagonist like Issei. He's simply not attractive to women.

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>>153411855
>Kissxsis

Are you drunk, anon?

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>>153415203
Depends on what the writer prefers.

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>>153415072
There's nothing more attractive than a woman who is aware of her irresistibility.

>>153415220
>No shoujo manga ever would have a protagonist like Issei. He's simply not attractive to women.
Hold it there. He may not compare to the perfect 10/10 gentlemen in shoujo manga, but that doesn't mean he's not attractive to women at all.

>>153412096
This. Take into account that nipland is almost like us and most LNs are written by neets and you can understand why practically all of harem are garbage.

>>153415279
His whole character is based on the premise that he's unattractive to women: he's part of that loser trio of virginal perverts and his mannerisms are incredibly dorky. Only after being handed super powers by the plot he starts becoming attractive to women. That's why it's a wish-fulfilment scenario. The loser who watches this can tell himself: if I was handed super powers I'd be popular like him, how great!

>>153415179
>Issei
>Wasn't beta for most of the time
Remind me again at which volume he started to grope someone for real?

>>153411186
They do. The real question is, why don't harem anime have alpha protagonists that aren't massive perverts as well?

>>153411855
How the fuck is ao no 6-gou a harem?

>>153415248
Please tell me there's more of this

>>153414512
>romantic power fantasy everyone flips their shit

I'm not from these places, but I am sure /tv/, /co/ and others will never accept that in any media.

>>153415376
>why don't harem anime have alpha protagonists that aren't massive perverts as well?
But most of them are, like 90% of them are fucking gentlemen, such as Mahouka and Sky Wizard.
But those who suit all the criteria have a personality of a blank paper, so boring you might appreciate pervert MC even more later.

>>153415248
wtf I love shoujo manga now?!

>>153414512
In most cases it's virtue signalling. People pick an easy target which most people can agree is "bad" and they publicly hate on it in order to portray themselves as tasteful and cultured.

The end result of that is well known: Donald J. Trump becomes the president of the United States of America.

>>153414931
Isn't it a "Reverse Harem of Rich Men" who cannot control themselves in their desire for her yet follow her every whim?

>>153415801
We are easy targets, aren't we?

No political clout at all.

>>153415801
Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Trump got elected because a bunch of people are pissed off at the lack of decent paying jobs and pissed off at illegal immigartion and pissed off at Hillary's (a stand in for the political establishment) corruption.

>>153416184
A major reason was also people being pissed off at the establishment. Both the political establishment and the academic / media establishment who tell you what you are not supposed to like for otherwise you are a horrible person. Nobody would admit to enjoy such a base kind of entertainment in havens of "good taste" like ANN, MAL, reddit etc. where ones reputation is on the line, just like nobody would admit he would vote for Donald Trump if he still had something to lose.

>>153415336
It's more that he scares every woman with his "show me your tits" attitude than being just ugly

>>153416640
Too bad he doesnt actually do anything
hes just talk

>>153416184
Also pissed that you can get doxxed and fired if you voice "the wrong opionion".

>>153411186
Seitokai no Ichizon.

Go watch it.

>>153411559
Rance is a serial rapist, not a harem protag.

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>>153420074
Whats the difference?

>>>>153411228

Great list Brosidon. I like to think of myself as the King of Harems so well done. The whole thing with the beta characters in harem is a bit wishy washy, there are some key shows in the genera that have strong male characters but I don't think the beta MC is popular because it's easy for any otaku to imagine they ar3 the MC

>>153411855
Whoa nigga, do you really expect me to read all that shit?

>>153415521
/co/ reads superhero comics which are power fantasies almost by definition.

>>153411186
>harem is a handsome alpha protagonist
>main heroine likes him, which means shes a slut
>MC fucks heroine after 3 episodes
>0 sales
Great idea.

>>153420488
Purityfags were a mistake.

The author needs an excuse for why MC doesn't dick all the girls. The options are basically:
1.MC is a beta pussy
2.MC is a dense retard
3.He cant fuck them for X plot reason (Example: girls will lose magic power if fucked)

All of them are pretty stupid

>>153411186
because jap males are frustrated, women in their society must be pure and act "femininely", so authors leverage on the way society works settling scenes you could not find in real life and that stimulate men fantasies. it is a matter of supply and demand, they'll go on with this cliche until men stop having a kink for non-pure women

There's grisaia no kajitsu, but the anime is shit

>>153411186
>Harem anime and KEK male