Why can't all anime be like this? There's enough great

>>152900973
>Why can't all anime be like the ones I like?
Great question, you could find out the answer by enrolling in a third-grade-level economics class, or reading up on a concept known as "opinions".

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>>152900973
because no one would watch it
especially something in the vein of texhnolyze would only build its fanbase slowly over the years

>>152901106
>third-grade-level economics class

That's not a thing bruh

got bored, couldn't finish it.

>>152900973
>Why can't all anime be like this?
I fucking love Tex but god please no, that's a terrible idea.

Because Tex is Tex, there's nothing quite like it and there will never be anything like it again.
>>152901283
>anime fans around the world start killing themselves
Seems like a great idea, actually.

>>152901283
>he doesn't want every single anime to be 2deep cyberpunk with low lighting and 20-minute silences
Looks like someone hasn't grown out of fun yet.

>>152901283
I should have added that I don't only mean plotwise, but rather tone, intelligence, smart themes, and a lack of awful exposition. Texhnolyze is only of the few anime that I watched in which it felt like the creators didn't think their audience are morons and didn't feel the need to hold their hands throughout the plot.

so what's the deal? does this anime have an actual story or is it just a mishmash of cyberpunk concepts with a depressing color palette? i couldn't really tell.

>>152901383
The story is pretty obvious by the 4th episode. Although it starts out opaque and difficult to follow.

>>152901292
>thinking "weebs" actually influence anime

You're either retarded or you don't know what weeb means.

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There seems to be a real absence of grounded, mature stories in anime the last decade.

>>152901466
Yeah, that's my issue. I legitimately cannot stomach 98% of anime because of that. I read a lot of manga though for my fix of mature and grounded stories.

>>152901503
You know that japs are by definition not "weebs", right? You're a fucking idiot.

It would get dull very quickly, it's good because it's rare.

>>152901466
Jin-Roh isn't anything special, honestly. It's got good visuals/atmosphere, but the characterization and red riding hood shit sucked.

>>152901588
Why are you so triggered, my weeb friend?

>>152901526
I can understand wanting more of that stuff, but if you cannot stomach anything that isn't "mature and grounded," (which seems to mean serious and cerebral stuff) then the issue's not really with anime, it's just that your taste is narrow as shit.

>>152901645
Nah I like anything that's good. It's just that most anime is terribly naive, unfunny, and poorly written.

>>152901632
>says something stupid
>haha u mad bro

Epic. So you're basically admitting that you're a newfriend who has no idea what he's talking about. Western audiences aka your weebs don't matter.

>>152901106
Underrated post. The thread should have ended here.

tex: too smart for an actual plot

>>152901466
It's just little red riding hood but the twist is that they're both the wolf yet they're both victims, the mature political themes are just window dressing and there isn't any corruption in the system. Re:Zero's arc 2 does the whole fairy tale deconstruction better honestly contrasting Rem and Ram to show the twins were actually very distinct characters and the drama is far more subtle and emotionally engaging.

>>152901703
Calm down my weeb friend with ADHD, you gonna have a stroke.

>>152901686
> Nah I like anything that's good
What a meaningless statement. I could say the same about myself, but since our opinions on good differ it gets us nowhere. Also, how the fuck can you say "I can't stomach 98% of anime because [real absence of grounded, mature stories]" and then claim that you like anything? It seems like you're just out to shitpost, honestly.

>muh grimdark scifi

Popular culture, anywhere in the world, doesn't give a shit about that anymore. At least the nips don't go full political so there is some entertainment value.

>>152900973
Because anime is for literal children in Japan.

Seinen is for adults which isn't that popular.

>>152900973
I unironically liked the first couple of episodes. Then I kept dropping it when the gang war started.

>>152901613
I know, I just used it as an example of a tone I'd like to see more of in anime. Dead serious storytelling without any whimsicality or lightheartedness

>>152901825
Is this all you can come up with when somebody points out your stupidity? I guess you can't expect more from an actual retard.

>>152901832
Probably. Needing things to not be dumb and childish is probably a good thing though.

>>152901955
I miss being 12 too.

>>152901958
Not really, childishness and flights of fancy are perfectly fine.

Because moe makes more money. Why does this thread even exist?

maybe i'll give it another shot. i always think i'll like cyberpunk anime, but never do for some reason, with the exception of some GitS SAC episodes

>>152901842
>Popular culture, anywhere in the world, doesn't give a shit about that anymore
What are you talking about? Grimdark scifi is literally mainstream literature and movies right now. Most of them suck but it is popular.

>>152902050
OP is going through that phase.

>>152902050
So what? Every medium has sure thing money makers, but real art is still made. I only see that excuse in the anime community. Like it's okay that anime companies only want money and nothing else.

>>152902001
I miss 2015 too

>>152902155
>I only see that excuse in the anime community
That's because people only make these retarded complaints in the anime community. I have never seen anyone ask "Why can't all movies be intelligent and mature?" because it's common fucking sense that they won't be.

>>152902209
Except 99.9 % of anime is shit.

>>152902209
Are you fucking dumb or do you not watch movies? All of the highest grossing movies are escapism but intelligent and mature stories come out almost every single day. In fact mature and intelligent movies outnumber shit-tier escapism on a yearly basis. They just don't make money.

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>>152902183
Come on man, you gonna give up on calling me a retard that easy? Continue please, I was enjoying it.

>>152902155
Because it costs money to make anime, and no production company is going to fund an anime that isn't going to make them money. It's literally that simple.

>>152902274
And what did OP ask, again? Want to read it out loud to the class?

>>152902272
You gotta watch the good stuff.

>>152902337
Like Fooly Cooly.

>>152902284
Actually, I'm not that anon. But I'm gonna try anyway.

>>152902274
Comparing movie production to anime production is by itself ridiculous as they even further apart than your dick will ever be to a 2D pussy.

>>152902337
For example?

>>152902363
Lurk more.

>>152902311
You and the rest of the anime community repeat this dumbass meme that "everything needs to make money". But the truth is that every single other medium produces works of art even though they will lose money. Basically what you are saying is that anime is a medium without any artistic integrity and that it's only made for a quick buck.

>>152902378
I see you are insecure about your own taste.

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I'll never forget my reaction to watching the first episode.

I didn't even know what to say it was fucking baffling, One of my favorite shows ever even after the weird first episode.

>>152902284
You have yet to refute anything that has been said. How the fuck do your precious weebs decide what anime do well in its main market that is Japan?

So yes, you're an idiot.

>>152902389
Way to not respond to my post. I'm addressing what OP said, that's all. Rant all you like about how bad you think anime is, but it still won't be relevant.

>>152902425
And I'm responding directly to you. Op is irrelevant here. You are just dodging.

>>152902396
I see you are unable to recognize /a/ memes, crossboarder-kun.

>>152902415
Oh yes, that's the stuff.

>>152902389
>Basically what you are saying is that anime is a medium without any artistic integrity and that it's only made for a quick buck.

You nailed it. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

>>152902437
You're not, though. This entire chain of replies started with an answer to OP's question, you just keep replying to claims no one made while trying to have some random other discussion that no one was engaging in.

>>152902155
>Real art is still made
But is like for 1 good work there are like 100 shit works. Why there is a lack of suggestions? Because a really good work is made from time to time. See /tv/. /lit/, /mu/, always the same suggestions every rec thread. Not because they are obscure and from a sikrit clov, but because after lurking a lot, people find the same few really good works. Every ten years, just two or five works can be put in the list of decent works.

>>152900973
>Why can't all anime be like this?
Why would you want it to be? Part of the reason it was so good was that it was a change of pace, if you take away it's originality, which was its main selling point, you'd have a decent plot, with poor scripting and mediocre animation.

You are literally just the other side of the "moe" coin,
>Hey I like cute girls lets have 12 shows about cute girls a season
>Hey I like grimdark shit lets have 12 shows about grimdark shit a season

The problem is that the industry as a whole is creatively bankrupt, switching the flavour of creative bankruptcy wouldn't actually improve anything.

ITT: people from /tv/ who hate anime come to the anime board to remind us that they hate anime

>>152902512
And we are kinda lucky we still are not in the age of grimdark mass production. But maybe in twenty years we are going to get a lot of awful forced over dramatic violent animus pretending to be complex and dense as fuck because it became the new fashion. Like capeshit on /tv/

>>152902389
It probably has to do with what the term anime self entails, it doesn't really refer to any animation, but one only from Japan and generally ones from big studios, which would be foremost interested in money.

It just takes too much input/talent to create something that would be qualified as anime and to get to that point you're probably requiered to get something in return.

It's not the same as someone just typing words on their keyboards and then printing it or taking a camera or maybe getting someone to enact a screenplay, anime just takes a bit more than that.

I suppose I might be totally incorrect, but I'd expect there to be at least a certain pinch of truth in what I just typed.

>>152902512
Are all anime fans this cynical about anime?

>>152902448
Well that's all a memetard like yourself can use anyway,still avoiding my question tho, because you know that you have a shit taste.

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>>152902577
>He thinks /a/ likes anime
How are you enjoying your first week here?

>>152902640
I'm not even the fucking guy who posted >>152902337 , I'm just kindly informing you that he was literally referencing a meme, and thus you challenging him for examples makes no sense.

>>152902642
>/a/ hates anime like /v/ hates video games, right guys?
Fuck off.

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>>152900973
That: >>152901922

Tex is the epitome of overblown, pretentious hypstery. It is boring. It isn't 'well-thought' or with a 'good story' or anything like that. Tex is only one thing: boring.

Ridiculously boring.

There is several good episodes in the heap, like the first ones, but it soon degenerates into a ridiculously boring story, with ridiculously boring characters.

I have watched more artsy anime I can count, but none so boring, so pretentious, and so vapid than Tex.

Why do you like it, /a/? Is it your inner hipster? Do you really, seriously lack good taste so much you actually believe this piece of crap is a 'good' anime?

Ergo Proxy is overblown, pretentious, and boring at time, that is a fact we can all agree on. But it is less overblown, pretentious, and boring than Texhnolize. It is actually a better anime for all its numerous flaws: not because it is a good anime by any means, but because Tex is actually worse.

>>152902642
This is not /v/, please fuck off.

>>152902612
If the production budget of an anime show is much higher then the general art movie, then you are correct.

>>152902642
Kill yourself.

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>>152901232
glad you could figure out the point

is it possible to salvage it as a lain thread, even though lain was less developed conceptually compared to texhnolyze?

>>152902688
I think you just wrote "boring" 50000 times there.

>>152902389
Kek, anon. Many of the so called masterpieces and work of art outside there are product of marketing. A marketing that does not focus on money but about recognition and status, that are valuabable incomes too. See Lalaland, and how the campain forces the movie to be considered a sensitive masterpiece, because the context needs it, the media needs a "respectable film".

>>152902741
> is it possible to salvage it as a lain thread
It's not possible to salvage this thread as anything.

>>152902741
>less developed conceptually
What?

>>152902766
So you just assumed I'm only talking about Oscar movies? There are about 100 movies that came out in 2016 that are great but aren't up for awards.

>>152902749
I'm trying for the good old Tex feeling of artsy boringness by artistically repeating the same word. You like Tex. You should like it.

>>152901106
This, also variety is the spice of life.

>>152902642
>>>/v/

>>152902801
It's called an example, anon. And if you are so thirsty for this type of anime, go watch Aoi bungaku, Mōryō no Hako, and read Ito's adaptation of No longer human.

>>152902919
>read Ito's adaptation of No longer human
Not him, but this literally hasn't even started yet, why are you trying to recommend it without reading it? I got all excited, too, thinking that someone had managed a good one after Furuya's disappointment.

>>152902792
i mean i watched both, and i liked lain more. But, lain always felt it was trying to grasp too many straws at once(though it was also largely intentional), while texhn was more contained.

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>>152902675
>>152902690
>>152902712
>>152902870
/v/ is the child that imitates /a/, and /a/ rejects the things /v/ imitates to avoid association, and the cycle continues.

It is now as it was, and so shall it ever be.

>>152903533
Fuck off and watch some anime you retarded plebeian.

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>>152903608
I literally am, getting caught up on this season (I just finished You're Under Arrest)

Gabriel DropOut shows promise, as does ACCA. Which is nice, I wasn't really impressed with the last two seasons so it's good to have something fresh, and 2/2 is not bad at all. I don't expect that trend to continue, but so far I've been lucky.

Despera will be the worthy successor

>>152901797
Not an argument ;^)

>>152902272

go back to /v/

>>152900973
It doesn't sell, simple right?
If you actually support them you'll get more.

>>152901466
What do you mean anon? There's plenty of deep and mature anime with Urobuchi's name on it. :^)

>>152902688
you are gay homosex
go and watch some re zero or some bullshit you tardlord

>>152903533
>tfw they will never bring back comfy atmosphere and style of the late 90s shows
>tfw no more Boogiepop
Goddamit.

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>>152902688
O-oops I just farted in your mouth gomen-gomen~ hehe.

>>152904032

how is that going? also despera is from lain team not tex team

>>152905374
It's still ABe, the aesthetic will be similar at least.

>>152905048
The OP was so fucking good.
Like the ED to UN-GO

what i really hate about these old shows is that they are so unpopular that we would never get a Boogie or Tex with BD with good quality

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>>152900973
Specifically, why can't ABe get his masterpieces made?

>>152905598
And they're digital so you'd have to basically remake the whole show.

>>152905630

at least texh looks decent, all i find of boogie is vhs-rips

>>152905661
480 is as good as it gets, but I've got DVD rips.

Got an AB account? Pretty much all its good for.

>>152905628
The Japanese cold.

>>152905476
>>152905628

speaking of teams, why is konaka not taking credit for writing texhnolyze? he might not own the rights or some shit.

Also ghost hound is great

>>152905374
Well, the only difference between those "teams" was Hamasaki directing rather than Ryutaro Nakamura. The latter was directing Kino in the same season as Texh so maybe that's why they couldn't bring him on there.

The foundation of both of those series are really in Yasuyuki Ueda (who I see never really getting the credit he deserves when it comes to talk of all the ABe anime) and of course Konaka.

>>152905866
Konaka is credited for series composition and about half of the show's episodes.

>>152905731

>DVD rips

do they exist? let me look for a torrent

>>152905896

Any other writers for texhnolize? ueda also works on the script some times right?

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>Why can't all anime be like this?
Because the opinions of minorities are irrelevant.

>>152905896

about the credit, its the only show he doesnt list on his home page

>Last update 2010

>>152905917
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=273715

Pretty sure this is as good as it gets.

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>>152906083

thanks man

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>>152906024
They shouldn't be. Look at Yuri on QUALITY, or seasonal shows in general.

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>>152905841
How can he afford medicine when he has yet to be paid for work done decades ago?

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>>152905982
There were a few throughout but it's hard to say what the level of contribution was from these other three, though Noboru Takagi showing up is cool since he'd handle series composition on the Baccano and DRRR! anime later.

I have no idea about Ueda since he was a producer, but he was one of those (now really rare) producers with very prominent creative influence, and I'm sure he's been credited with the "original concept" of both of those shows before.

>>152906062
I'd honestly never noticed that, pretty weird. Texhnolyze seems to be the odd one out for Konaka since I've never seen/read him speak out about working on it (compare this to Digimon Tamers or Ghost Hound). Texh ultimately seems to be a project much closer to Ueda and Hamasaki than anybody else.

>>152906363

Ueda is really important, i think he has the largest impact on the core concepts of lain, don´t remember where i read that though.

>>152906363

i really like ghost hound, these projects always have great music too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn-3Sc7Yd8o

>>152906327
He can't, that's why Nakamura died.

>>152902272
This

>>152902577
Are you implying that /a/ loves anime?.

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>>152906537
Yeah, I remember reading that as well. I'd say he had just as much bearing on Texhnolyze. Konaka always has something strange and arcane to add to a show, but Ueda's probably the emotional core of both series.

>>152906586
Ghost Hound was mentioned/discussed in the last (good) Texhnolyze thread I can remember, and I finally managed to finish that recently.

Dorky astral projection babbys and the rather disappointing last episode aside, I quite liked it. Nakamura's sound design was absolutely fantastic, and I think Konaka was a bit more playful with his character writing than he usually is. I also love how there's explicit episode titles and references to things like "homunculi" in the brain, and "affordances," I kept thinking that Ghost Hound was as much a new story as it was a kind of testing ground for some of the concepts that he didn't really have enough time to flesh out fully in Texhnolyze.

>>152906827

konaka i really weird, he is like a fucking yakuza boss... from hell and dresses like a killer from a manga and acts on interviews like he acts like he owns the place and is dealing drugs or some shit like that.

I though the guy would be like some japanese Franz Kafka. Lol

>>152906827

konaka himself said Ghost Hound was his most enjoyable work, he surely gets depressed when he writes