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Why was Asuka listening to Rei and Shinji's conversation

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Why was Asuka listening to Rei and Shinji's conversation when she hated them both?
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>>152795371
So that she could get dirt on one or both of them and use it to bully them in the future.
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>>152795371
She's jealous of Rei and Shinji's relationship. Also she's a tsundere who secretly likes Shinji
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Because she's a envious and creepy piece of shit.

Good thing the MP-EVA's ripped her apart.
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>>152795442
>>152795450
Didn't the seiyuu say that Asuka isn't attracted to Shinji?
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>>152795371
>Why was Asuka listening to Rei and Shinji's conversation when she hated them both?

have you never been around a girl before? they always get jelly of other people's relationships even if they hate everyone involved

and asuka is specifically modeled to be "realistic" aka 3DPD
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It was only ironic hatred, she was just pretending to not want to marry Shinji
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>>152796297
Well, she has Hikari.
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Asuka obviously likes Shinji, it's just that his behavior annoys the hell out of her.
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>>152795626
seiyuu opinions and beliefs are meaningless
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Episode 16 showed that Asuka does have a kind heart after all.
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>>152795371
Worst girl likes gossip and eavesdropping. Are you really surprised?
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Asuka is love.
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>>152797777
She also watches soaps, that's how terrible she is.
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Asuka is as much of a shitty person as Shinji is. In fact, I would say that in EoE she's much better than him.
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>>152797800
asuka a shit

basically a character only retards like

>>152797896
Asuka is a shittier person than Shinji, and that's a fact.
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>>152797800
Nope, you just like her spread ass, that's not love.
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>>152797896
Shinji isn't a shitty person
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>>152797896
Not fair, she didn't have to kill her gay boyfriend the night before. EoE Shinji deserves a pass.
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>>152797930
>masturbates over his co-pilot
>not a shitty person
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>>152797968
don't you want somebody to masturbate thinking of you?
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>>152797919
>basically a character only virgin NEETS like

FTFY
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>>152797919
>Asuka is a shittier person than Shinji, and that's a fact.
Nope, both are just as shit. Asuka is just like Shinji deep down actually, difference being that she hides it with false confidence and aggressiveness.
>>152797930
>The world and everyone you love depends on you
>who cares? I'm scared! Think about me!
He's a self centered, egotistical bitch, just like Asuka.
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>>152797968
Not really, as no one is harmed. Fucked up, but shitty? Not really.

Asuka on the other hand is responsible for the slaughter of entire shelters of civilians in the previous episode, and is indirectly the cause of Rei's death against Armisael.
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>>152798098
Nothing of what you mentioned was caused intentionally by her, but nice try on your shitpost.
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>>152798087
>Nope, both are just as shit. Asuka is just like Shinji deep down actually, difference being that she hides it with false confidence and aggressiveness.

see >>152798098

The fact that Asuka takes her problems out on others is what makes her a shitty person. Shinji doesn't do that. Rei actually takes the burden of others problems, which makes Rei a saint.

Rei good
Shinji OK/Good
Asuka bad

>>152798138
>Nothing of what you mentioned was caused intentionally by her,

It was. Her reckless and destructive behavior was the direct cause. She is the one at fault here. She intentionally chose to do something that screwed over innocent people, be that refusing to follow orders or help her teammates, or charging recklessly into Zeruel with no plan.

It's not a shitpost, because you 100% cannot refute any of the above, as they are iron-clad facts as presented by NGE.
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>>152797777
Quads confirm. Asuka is a piece of shit.
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So we know who's shittiest but who's the most interesting character?
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>>152798297
Rei Ayanami. She garnered the most interest from the audience at the time of release, and is for better or worse still the #1 character in focus for Evangelion.
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>>152798087
>difference being that she hides it with false confidence and aggressiveness.
And that makes her worse, easier to put up with an introverted self hating mess than with a lashing out self hating mess.
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>>152798223
>Shinji doesn't do that.
Except he does, he blames his father and others for his own failures and insecurities all the time.

>Rei actually takes the burden of others problems
The discussion is about Asuka and Shinji, Rei is different.

>Her reckless and destructive behavior was the direct cause.
Just like Shinji was responsible for hurting Toji's sister, right? You and me both know that saying that Asuka is a bad person for things that were out of her control is a dishonest argument.

>be that refusing to follow orders or help her teammates
>charging recklessly
Just like Shinji did in the episode where he was confident with his sync ratio.

>because you 100% cannot refute any of the above,
I just did retard.

I also was talking about the characters on a deeper level, whereas you're just trying to shit on a character you dislike.
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>>152798297
All of them.
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>>152795371
She's hoping they are getting it one so she can masturbate in the hallway.
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>>152798398
>easier to put up with an introverted self hating mess
If you have to actually live with said person? Not really. Shinji can be a extremely difficult person to deal with as shown in the series again and again, only reason you think Asuka is worse is because her behavior is more obvious and on your face.
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>>152798425
>Except he does, he blames his father and others for his own failures and insecurities all the time.
Blaming ≠ Attacking
>Just like Shinji was responsible for hurting Toji's sister, right?
Shinji did what he was tasked to do, Shinji didn't go berserk there, his mom did, meanwhile Asuka did do it.
>Just like Shinji did in the episode where he was confident with his sync ratio.
Goaded by Asuka, and only endengered himself.
>I just did retard.
No you didn't (btw, I'm a different anon so it's not only him who thinks that)
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>>152796342
Asuka, just pretending to be retarded since the 90s. No wonder her fags like shitposting so much.
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>>152798398
Asuka and Shinji are directly references in End of Evangelion of being the same type of person, but both handle it differently. When you call Asuka terrible, you call Shinji as well.
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>>152798425
>Except he does, he blames his father and others for his own failures and insecurities all the time.

No he doesn't. He is upset with his father for having abandoned him, and is 100% correct in saying that he only ever called when he needed him. Shinji never says "i fucked up because of my father". He doesn't blame Gendo because he is unable to defeat and Angel, or because he got bad grades.

Asuka shits on everyone else and blames them the second it goes wrong. Rei takes action when something goes wrong or is difficult, and often saves the day.

>The discussion is about Asuka and Shinji, Rei is different.
Yes, insofar that she is better than Asuka.

>Just like Shinji was responsible for hurting Toji's sister, right?

No, because at that point Shinji was performing at the best of his ability. When Toji's sister got hurt, Shinji was not disobeying orders or otherwise doing things purely for himself. This was true collateral damage he could not be held accountable for.

>Just like Shinji did in the episode where he was confident with his sync ratio.

Reminder that Asuka egged him on to do it, and that it proved no problem for anyone else.

>You and me both know that saying that Asuka is a bad person for things that were out of her control is a dishonest argument.

They were in her control. She did not have to charge Zeruel, the best thing to do would be to retreat seeing she lost her arms. It was her fault.
She did not have to demand to go first against Armisael, and she did not have to scream that "she'd rather die" than go back.
She did not have to attack Shinji and Rei verbally or physically for things that were actually out of their control, or for nothing at all. Refer to the wind blowing up her skirt, or Rei being slapped by Asuka in the elevator. Not any of their fault.

What I've understood is that no one actually likes Asuka. Not even Asuka fans. They just pretend Asuka is someone else.
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>>152798693
No, you don't. This is what shitty Asuka fans say because they reject reality and engage in otaku escapism, waifuing Asuka.

It's simply because you can't accept that Rei is so much better than Asuka.

Moreover, if they handle things differently, that means they aren't the same person or type of person. Simple fact.
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>>152798581
>If you have to actually live with said person?
Shinji is actually pretty easy to live with, at least going by Misato finding him useful to have him around the house. But sure, introvert messes can be hard to deal with, but aggresive ones are worse.
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>>152795371
>implying asuka doesn't secretly care about everyone close to her
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>>152795371
I just restarted Eva a few minutes ago.

What am I in for (again)?
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>>152795371
Because she wants Rei to lick her butt hole while Shinji is sucking on her clit.
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>>152798693
Nope, the root of their problems is the same, but their way of dealing makes her worse. You are not just your thoughts, you're your actions too.
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>>152798783
rei best girl
shinji best boy
asuka worst girl
kensuke worst boy
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>>152798783
How could you forget? btw Is it your second view or do you do it often?
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>>152798754
You are the cancer killing actual discussion.
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>>152798846
>kensuke worst boy
weird way to spell kaworu, kensuke was slightly annoying but a good bro.
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>>152795450
Good thing filenames kun gets ripped apart by the mods and Rei's asshole gets ripped apart by Armisael.
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>>152798903
What the fuck do you expect? Filenames kun has been raging hardcore all day like the little bitch it is. Report and ignore.
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>>152798903
I am the chemo that brings forth actual discussion, denying idiots of yourself the safe space of your own delusion.
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>>152798916
Kaworu? Does he even count as a character? Forgot he existed for a moment, but if he does:

rei best girl
shinji best boy
asuka worst girl
kaworu worst boy
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>>152798754
>>152798824
She's a red headed Shinji who lashes out on people who she feels betray her feelings. Underneath she's a scared little girl who doesn't want to be alone.

I like Asuka because its interesting to psychoanalyze her thought process, her true feelings. To be honest, I'd raise her as an adopted daughter.
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>>152799051
completely unimpeachable list
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I always thought Asuka was geniunly disgusted towards Shinji as an unmanly twat.
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>>152795626
14 year old girls are cock hungry and the reason they are so bitchy about it is because of the contradictory rules of society that discourage them from fullfilling that need. she wants to fuck that older guy but thats not appropriate and shes encouraged to socialize with her own peers but they are afraid of her and this makes her extremely frustrated.

throw in being a german girl in japan's 'u cant tell ur feelings' isolationist culture AND it being the apocalypse and of course shes going to be a psychotic cunt about everything.
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>>152799175
She was, but it only further complicated things.
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>>152799094
>She's a red headed Shinji who lashes out on people who she feels betray her feelings.

In other words, she is not a red headed shinji, because a shinji would not lash out on people who betrays his feelings. The glaring contradiction in your analysis proves that you are naught but a dumb shipper wanting to connect the two.

>I like Asuka because its interesting to psychoanalyze her thought process, her true feelings. To be honest, I'd raise her as an adopted daughter.

This is obviously a lie, because you have obviously mischaracterized her entire character by reducing it to a subset of another. You are simply pretentious, like every other Asuka fan.
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>>152797968
>masterbation rape
>he should be arrested

tumblr pls go.
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>>152798879
>btw Is it your second view or do you do it often?
I wouldn't say "often" or even seen it many times, but I did just do it again in the past week and as said, just restarted it again tonight.

Why does this series make me keep coming back? Why is this shitty series so universally appealing? Just let me branch out.

Is it the curse of the Eva?
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>>152799225
Then why would she supposedly fall for him? In my experience women are never into that shit.
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>>152799252
dude, you don't have to be tumblr to realize that what went down in that room was pretty illegal.
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>>152799283
>Is it the curse of the Eva?
The curse of the EVA is a pretentious ploy by Anno. He is able to introduce a timeskip which would have aged the characters to unmarketable appearances and character settei, but with the curse of eva he has kept them young and profitable. Naught more than a pimp, he is.
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>>152799283
>Is it the curse of the Eva?
It is.
Although I do think it's the greatest, but I hate it some times.
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>>152798699
I find hilarious that you blame Asuka for hurting people even though it wasn't her intention, while you pay no mind to Shinji refusing to pilot the EVA several times in the anime, even though he knew that several lives and even humanity as a whole was at stake. Shinji is extremely self centered and when people ask more of him he simply deflects by saying that no one understands him, but he never tries to understand anyone on a deeper level. He also tried to strangle Asuka just because she refused to help him and then proceeded to strangle her again at end of the film, and what was her answer? She caressed him. Oh and Shinji was the one who caused the third impact, not Asuka, she instead died in a terrible way because Shinji was too occupied crying in a corner.

Asuka is a shitty person? No doubt about that, but so is Shinji. Like I said, deep down they are very similar, only difference is how they approach their problem. You can argue that the annoying aggressiveness of Asuka makes her worse, however you can't exclude Shinji from being a bad person if you call Asuka a terrible person. If you do that you're simply admitting being biased because you can relate to Shinji more.

Also, stop bringing waifu war into this shit, like you're doing here >>152798754
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>>152799423
>You can argue that the annoying aggressiveness of Asuka makes her worse
That's exactly the argument being made. Shinji is no angel, he's definitely selfish and anything you'd like, he admits it himself as early as episode 4, but Asuka is definitely a worse person to deal with.
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>>152799252
I'm a nazi from /pol/, far from tumblr. What happened in that hospital room is fucking immoral
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>>152799505
>>152799551
>I'm a nazi

Your opinions carry no weight.
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>>152799551
Now I'm not sure you think it's immoral on principle or just because it happened to your favorite nazi schoolgirl.
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>>152799584
Sadly they run the country now. their oppinions carry some weight.
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>>152799539
I would agree with you if EoE didn't exist, Shinji is better than Asuka in the series, but he does some very fucked up things in the film, whereas Asuka has some pretty heroic moments and a bittersweet end.
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>>152799623
Go back to tumblr
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>>152799584
So it trigger you?

>>152799598
Sexual assault is illegal and against the teaching of Jesus. National Socialism preaches respect and honor for women, and they are the mothers of our children. Irrelevant to the topic though.
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>>152799423
>I find hilarious that you blame Asuka for hurting people even though it wasn't her intention, while you pay no mind to Shinji refusing to pilot the EVA several times in the anime,

No, you don't. Right now you're butthurt and pretending to find things you can't deal with "hilarious". Like the show demonstrates, Asuka DID intend to screw people over, and outright says she'd rather DIE than do anything else in the example vs Armisael.

Shinji refuses to pilot on occasions where he has been mishandler as a pilot, or shown that he is not needed. The last case with e.g the dummy plug, which would replace him. Despite Shinji's misgivings, he ALWAYS pilots. He is right to have misgivings, an adult would probably not pilot at all unless they were well, stupid.

>Shinji is extremely self centered and
No, that's Asuka. Stop projecting.

>He also tried to strangle Asuka just because she refused to help him
Asuka refused to help, that's on her. Moreover, it never happened - it was in a mind-scene.

>Oh and Shinji was the one who caused the third impact
The impact had begun before Shinji had anything to say, and SEELE were the ones who started it.

>Asuka is a shitty person? No doubt about that, but so is Shinji.

So you're defending Asuka by saying that Shinji is shitty? Doesn't work, mac.

>Like I said, deep down they are very similar, only difference is how they approach their problem.

They aren't similar at all, only on a generic level where everyone is similar: having insecurities. One of the main themes, by the way. Moreover, they are different in how they approach and deal with problems, which make them different. You're wrong.

>Also, stop bringing waifu war into this shit,
No, you did that by defending your waifu. Me pointing out that you are bringing in waifu war shit, is simply calling you out.
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>>152799681
Like I said earlier, EoE shinji was in a bad place, his day was shitty at dawn and it went downhill from there.
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>>152799698
make me
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>>152799712
I don't see how you can open with Im a Nazi" and then talk about morality and expect to be taken seriously.
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>>152799681
>I would agree with you if EoE didn't exist, Shinji is better than Asuka in the series, but he does some very fucked up things in the film, whereas Asuka has some pretty heroic moments and a bittersweet end.

Wrong. That could only be said by a delusional Asuka fan. There never was any heroism in EoE for Asuka. Asuka is a puppet from start to end.

A hero or heroine is one who acts, not one who is simply acted upon or goaded along a path. Asuka in EoE is used as a sex toy, then carried and clothed by her handlers. She is then put in an EVA, because she lacks the will to do so by herself. She could not even get her EVA to start, if not for it reaching out to her and helping her do so. Then she fights, and dies like a bitch.
For the remainder of the story, she does nothing except get choked in the end.

In the meantime, the people of heroism and action are Misato, Shinji and Rei who are shown to take control over their destinies and lead the story to an end. Asuka literally does not move a single foot to take even ONE STEP for the entire duration of the movie.

In the meantime Misato fights her way through an elite assault force, sacrificing herself. Rei becomes God and defeats the series villain, while Shinji attains semi-godhood while defining mankinds future.

This is the real Evangelion which asuka shippers deny because for them, it's all about the doujins.
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>>152799840
I hope with that anger you are also criticizing British, Russian and American morality. Considering the Soviets killed and raped German women, Dwight D Eisenhower made innocent German people starve to death in interment camps and Churchill fire bombed innocent German civilians in Dresden.

Don't lecture me on morality unless you know the full picture of World War 2, also the holocaust never happened.
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>>152799914
I was agreeing with you but I think glossing over Asuka's fight with the MPEs is a little unfair, it might not have changed anything in the end but she fought valiantly there.
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>>152799970
Had a could point going then you just fell flat on your ass with that last bit.
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>>152799970
>Don't lecture me on morality unless you know the full picture of World War 2
>also the holocaust never happened.
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>>152799987
If you give a coward a weapon of mass destruction and he uses it, it doesn't make him any less of a coward.

In the same way, giving a failure like Asuka an EVA with a berserk/power boost doesn't change the fact that she's a shitty person.
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>>152800013
>>152800034
Truth doesn't need laws to protect it.
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>>152799175
She was. Asuka hated him because he didn't respond to her desires. She hated him because he surpassed him as a pilot and was praised. She hated him because he doesn't appreciate his talents. She hated him because he's pathetic, like herself.
>>152799284
Fans are delusional and think she's being tsuntsun~ She practically dances on his possible grave and spouts egotistical bullshit. She is mental.

There is sexual attraction but that's it. They're screwed up and desperate to rub against someone for warmth, but are utterly repulsed by the other. Take the ending of EoE as the two figurative-turned-literal "last persons on Earth" to get another chance. None of this shipper shit. Just two people who need to do this.
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>>152800039
>give a coward a weapon of mass destruction and he uses it, it doesn't make him any less of a coward.

Are you stupid? It absolutely does make him less of coward. He used it. That makes him less of a coward then he was before.
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>>152800034
>>152800013
>>152800073
I've watched documentaries on the supposed "gas chambers" I suggest you watch them, take the red pill and learn the truth. come visit uncle /pol/
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>>152800098
>She practically dances on his possible grave
that's the moment she lost me for ever, it's one thing to be tsun, quite another what she did, no wonder it even ticked off unflappable Rei.
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>>152800099
So giving a coward a gun, and letting him shoot up a school makes him... not a coward?
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>>152800201
I thought we were talking in the context of him defending something? Did you just change it to suit your narrative or was I off?
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Asuka is a fucking joke and so is Evangelion in 2017, and has been for a long time.

Asuka is simply a bandwagon waifu people like because it's the directors favorite, having Asuka as a favorite is the epitome of having no personality at all.
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>>152800184
I took at is she was coping, she even looked somber when they discuss destroying hte angel.
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>>152800239
You were off. If you give a shitty person power, simply having that power or using said power doesn't make the person not shitty.

So when Asuka is piloting the EVA, it's not because of her. It's because of the actual heroine: Misato.
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>>152800251
> no personality at all

Like Rei?
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>>152800318
No, like Asuka or fans of Asuka. Essentially people who don't have their own opinions and reject everything in order to simply follow what they've been told.

Rei had her own, actual opinions and worldview, which was what saved her in the end.
Asuka didn't, and just regurgitated what her puppet masters told her: "angels bad, u pilot, u kill, u nothing else".

This is why they can "kill" Asuka by simply taking away her identity as an EVA pilot, while Rei doesn't die even if she is killed.
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>>152800274
Of course it was coping, she didn't want to deal with his death on her conscience and it was her way of deflecting blame but it doesn't make it forgivable, just understandable.
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>>152800098
Asuka literally only cares about herself. I wish Rei sacked her there.
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>>152800388
>asuka
>no personality

wew
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>>152799203
German culture is actually eerily similar to Japanese culture
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>>152800098
*he surpassed her
Also moaned about how she believed he, Rei, and maybe others like Misato (particularly the Kaji thing) were getting love and special attention that she craved. She is green with envy and it takes some ugly forms.

Not that it isn't understandable but it is what it is.
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>>152800452
Being an EVA pilot isn't a personality.
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>>152800399
I think she felt responsible for causing Shinji's possible death and that's why she said those things and deflected blame.
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This is why Rei is the best. Rei actually takes charge of the situation and volunteers do to things, and actually has the brains to back of when it's time.
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>>152799733
>butthurt
Not really, but you can continue to project your feelings on me if you want, I don't mind.

>Asuka DID intend to screw
What? Where's your evidence that she had the intention of screwing with people? You can argue that she did a reckless thing and because of that people consequently died, but saying that she had the intention of killing innocents is simply a delusion of yours, much like the delusion of otaku waifu fags that you love to talk about in yours posts.

>mishandler as a pilot,
Misato says that to him in the beginning because she didn't want him piloting with the kind of passive aggressive, condescending attitude he had about it.

>He is right to have misgivings
Just as Asuka was right in knowing that she was just a tool being used and would have no worth if she was incapable of piloting the EVA, thus she did the reckless thing that you were going on about. Again, you prove to be dishonest and biased in your argument.

>No, that's Asuka. Stop projecting.
He even admits to be that way and I'm the one projecting? On the contrary, it seems that you are simply defending Shinji and excluding his flaws because you can relate to him on a personal level. In other words, the one projecting is you.

>Asuka refused to help, that's on her.
So by refusing to help someone you give him the right to strangle you? Got it.

>The impact had begun before Shinji had anything to say
Don't deflect. You know exactly what I'm referring to.

>So you're defending Asuka
Projecting again. I started my argument stating that both were shit, not defending Asuka Try again.

>only on a generic level
Not surprising to see you don't understand the characters. Both only pilot the EVA because they want to be accepted and have fear of not having worth. Both have complex defense mechanism to avoid close relationship with others, as they have fear of getting hurt. Both have strong fear of being abandoned, as they were abandoned or rejected by their parents as kids.
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>>152799733
>which make them different.
You don't say. Every human being is different, retard. Never said they were, just that both were shit and that deep down they were similar, not equal.

>No, you did that by defending your waifu.
Again, that's you projecting on me. I didn't talked about best girl or tried to bring red vs blue discussion, you did. I said Asuka was shit from the beginning, whereas you tried to bring Rei to the discussion and said she was the best when that had no relevance whatsoever to the topic in hand. So you're clearly the waifufag here, not me bud. And that's a fact.
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>>152800560
I'm not disagreeing with that, just saying that just because it's an understandable reaction is not something that should be forgiven. She crossed a line so far to the point even Rei had to get on her face about it.
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>>152800640
>Not really, but you can continue to project your feelings on me if you want, I don't mind.
That's a really butthurt response.

>What? Where's your evidence that she had the intention of screwing with people?
She had the intention of screwing with Misato, Rei and the others, which implicitly means things are going to go wrong and that people will die. She had the intention to do something reckless, and that is enough. She is simply lucky if someone doesn't die. She risked sacrificing the world for her petty ego, and that's canon in NGE.

>Misato says that to him in the beginning
While at the same time failing to properly condition or handle Shinji. Reminder that Shinji still pilots DESPITE their disagreements.

>Just as Asuka was right in knowing that she was just a tool being used
Wrong, Asuka never figured that out. You are saying that Asuka is worthless unless she pilots - is she really? A human being with no worth? The same kind of brainwahed nonsense that the puppet Asuka thinks, and died thinking.

>He even admits to be that way and I'm the one projecting?
Correct. Asuka is the one who's self-centered, and Shinji admitting to being self-centered in itself shows that he's not as self-centered as you make him out to be. Asuka isnt' capable of doing something like that, as she is selfcentered to an extreme.

Rei is selfless to an extreme, Shinji somewhere in the OK middle. It's all right to focus on yourself, just not 100% of the time like with Asuka.

>So by refusing to help someone you give him the right to strangle you? Got it.
The strangling happened in their mind. Asuka refusing to help however was shown in real life as well, giving root to Shinji's view of Asuka, and his hatred of her.

>Don't deflect. You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Not deflecting, it's the facts which invalidate your argument. Try again.
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>>152800640
>>152800685
>I started my argument stating that both were shit, not defending Asuka
Same shit. You wont' accept that Asuka is garbage, so you bring in another character to attack,so that Asuka wont' look as bad. You are a bad person.

>Not surprising to see you don't understand the characters.

I do, and I get the series. You generify them and refuse to accept the core message, that insecurities are present in ALL humans, this being a literal plot point. You simply compare Asuka and Shinji in specific to fulfill your own fanfic. Then you make a completely wrong comparison:

Shinji doesn't rely on the EVA to have self worth. Not at all, he didn't want to pilot the thing or get near it at all. Asuka is 100% dependent on it. Rei is 100% independent on it. Shinji was only happy that he got praised for it a few times, and Shinji like Rei can give up on piloting it when they want.

Protip: ALL of the characters have a fear of getting hurt. All of them. Every single one. That's the point, that's the entire fucking point you humongous retarded Asukafag, the ONE comment that Evangelion makes on MANKIND, all of us, which is what puts it above the generic schlock.

>Again, that's you projecting on me. I didn't talked about best girl or tried to bring red vs blue discussion, you did.

No, that's you. You're even dishonest about it, because your blatant misunderstanding of Asuka, Evangelion and every other character can ONLY be attributed to a waifuwarring asukafag. I bring Misato, Rei, Shinji and everyone into the disscussion because guess what?

Evangelion isn't just about your precious waifu. Get over it.
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>>152799914
>is used as a sex toy
Yes, by Shinji. Such a nice guy, isn't he?

>She is then put in an EVA, because she lacks the will to do so by herself.
Not much different from Shinji in EoE here. At least Asuka had the excuse of being in a coma while Shinji was just crying in a corner the whole time and had to be carried around by Misato.

>Then she fights, and dies like a bitch.
So you're denying that her fight was heroic or that she was brave the whole time? You're such a biased and dishonest fag, it's not even funny. And still has the guts to call me a asukafag.

>Misato
Yes

>Shinji
What? What Shinji did? He masturbates to Asuka. Then cries, screams and asks for help the entire fucking film. Then he causes the third impact, goes through instrumentality, then he tries to strangle Asuka again. There's literally nothing heroic about anything he did. The only thing you can say is that he was able to return to his human form, which is also true in Asuka's case.

>defining mankinds future.
He literally fucks with mankind, because again, he's self centered.
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>>152801337
>Yes, by Shinji. Such a nice guy, isn't he?

Far better than Asuka.

>Not much different from Shinji in EoE here. At least Asuka had the excuse of being in a coma while Shinji was just crying in a corner the whole time and had to be carried around by Misato.

Fuck off back to evageeks. It's world apart, because Shinji was actually physically incapable of entering the EVA due to it being filled with bakelite - when it was cleared, he got in. Asuka doesn't have the excuse of being in a coma either, because she being in a coma is her own damned fault. It's by extension Asuka's fault that Shinji is fucked up, and that Rei died.

- Asuka makes bad decisions and screws over Misato, Rei and even civilians
- Rei saves Asuka, but Asuka's refusal to accept the truth (that the EVA is more than her puppet) among other things means Asuka isn't able to save Rei. Asuka didn't even care that Rei died because of her. She is a bad person.
- Shinji is left all alone, Asuka is a bitch and a wreck, Rei is going through a million existential crises and is unavailable for comment, and so he's left alone with Kaworu, someone who's out to end the world.

Despite Shinji losing all his friends, being forced to kill another sentient, effectively human being he said he loves and showed body horror after body horror down in the depths of NERV's darkest basements, he was still able to walk. He still stood up, and unlike Asuka, didn't fall into a coma.

In the same vein, Rei who had been maimed, murdered and mistreated, treated with not even as much as a bouquet of flowers for having selflessly taken one for team earth, still stood strong and tackled her problems. Rei herself being the subject of earlier mentioned body horror. Hell, not even Gendo showed up at her hospital bed.

So yeah, it's a HELL of a lot different than Shinji or the first child, Rei. You can't even begin to explain how great Shinji and Rei are to the monster that is Asuka.
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>>152800489
No it isn't, we love pork and love to drink. Everyone knows after a few drinks, telling people your feelings isn't as difficult.

Look at Misato, she spills everything to Kaji.
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>>152801337
>>152801594
>So you're denying that her fight was heroic or that she was brave the whole time? You're such a biased and dishonest fag, it's not even funny. And still has the guts to call me a asukafag.

It's just the truth. There's no bravery in being handled a superweapon and using it. That's the point of Evangelion itself you dimwit, simply piloting the EVA doesn't solve your problems. It's downright humiliating that she even lost that fight despite having first strike, and the upper edge. After all this time, she never went for the core.

>What? What Shinji did? He masturbates to Asuka. Then cries, screams and asks for help the entire fucking film.

Which is, even as much as you try to play it down: still more than Asuka. Asuka did not take a single fucking step in the entire movie. She was either lying down or sitting upwards because SOMEONE PUT HER IN A FUCKING SEAT.

...and yes, Shinji as our ""hero"" goes through with defining the future for mankind. This being the "profit" of his selfless endeavor earlier in endearing a lovecraftian elder horror, showing kindness where there was none. The heroism in what Shinji did was to accept the harshness of life and then decide for mankind that they should be able to choose to live. Without Shinji, Rei, Misato and more, they're all tang forever.

Technically, all Asuka did in EoE was the same as she did in NGE: fail miserably and make everything worse.

-Asuka fails against the MP-series, dies
-Shocks Shinji and deteriorates his mental state even more
-This brings SEELE's plans closer to fruition, as thanks to this deteriorated mental state the lance returns and they are able to enact third impact

This is all fucking canon. Only a waifufag like yourself would deny it
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>>152801723
Pork and alcohol is haram, I'm telling mutti Merkel
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>>152801784
Good thing I'm American, then. Sucks to live in Germany.
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>>152802000
Then why were you pretending to be German you nigger
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This thread just proves it. Asuka is a fucking meme.

Rei shows you how to improve yourself in Evangelion:
accept reality
understand it
change yourself and then reality
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>>152802056
I'm part German and folks came from dutch farms, am I not allowed to talk about German tradition? What would would Asuka think if she were here?
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>>152802184
>I'm German
>no I'm American
>wait, I'm part German and my parents are Dutch peasants
Aryan blood flows through your veins for sure senpai, tell me about the vaterland
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>>152800892
>She had the intention of screwing with Misato, Rei and the others
Evidence on that? She acted because she didn't wanted to be replaced, it's simple as that.

>and that is enough.
Nope, that's a far cry from intentionally killing people. Being reckless and not thinking about one's actions is extremely common at her age.

>You are saying that Asuka is worthless unless she pilots - is she really?
I'm saying that in her mind she will lose her worth and value if she isn't able to pilot. Like I said, she has fear of being rejected and abandoned due to her relationship with her mother.

>so that Asuka wont' look as bad.
No, I simply think that's hypocritical to trash Asuka constantly while at same time acting like Shinji's behavior and actions were okay.

>You are a bad person.
I'm not the one who's being overly harsh on a teenage girl doing some impulsive, reckless action though.

>them and refuse to accept the core message, that insecurities are present in ALL humans
Where did I refuse to accept that? Never denied that it was one of the central themes of the show, what I did however was to bring to light the similarity in the psychology of the two characters.

>Shinji doesn't rely on the EVA to have self worth. Not at all,
Watch episode 25 and 26 again, he blatantly admits that. He had doubts about piloting the EVA yes, but one of his bigger motivations to do so was the fact that he thought the EVA would give value to him and thus, others would need him and wouldn't abandon him like his father did.

>ALL of the characters
Never said they didn't, just that's a more predominant characteristic in Shinji and Asuka compared to other characters their age in the show. Shinji and Asuka just go out of their way more to keep their distance from others, which is why I said that both have complex defense mechanism to avoid close relationships.
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>>152801081
>misunderstanding
What exactly did I misunderstood about EVA or any of its characters? Literally nothing of what I said about them was wrong.

>I bring Misato, Rei, Shinji and everyone into the disscussion because guess what?
Trying to twist things again, huh? The discussion was about comparing Shinji with Asuka and out of nowhere, you mentioned Rei, which would be okay if she was just used as a example, but you got out of your way to praise her as best girl and to stir shit up about waifu wars, shipping and all that kind of faggotry. So yeah, you're a Reifag much more so than I'm a asukafag, as proven by all your posts.
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>>152802259
American isn't an ethnic group, you nigger.
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>>152802272
>Evidence on that? She acted because she didn't wanted to be replaced, it's simple as that.

Evidence in the episode: she refuses to help them when they need it, she refuses to cooperate and that means she is INTENTIONALLY screwing them over.

>Nope, that's a far cry from intentionally killing people. Being reckless and not thinking about one's actions is extremely common at her age.

So you admit it's her fault then? Good. She was intentionally putting the world at stake.

>I'm saying that in her mind she will lose her worth and value if she isn't able to pilot
Because she's a brainwashed puppet. It's obviously wrong what she and you thinks.

>No, I simply think that's hypocritical to trash Asuka constantly while at same time acting like Shinji's behavior and actions were okay.

It's not hypocritical, it's the right and moral thing to do. What is wrong however, is bringing up Shinji when Asuka is criticized. You're a shitty person.

>I'm not the one who's being overly harsh on a teenage girl doing some impulsive, reckless action though.

I'm being accurate. Asuka fans are the ones who e.g blames Rei for being born a clone, something she has ZERO control over. Yet they wont' accept that Asuka has any blame for her actions.

> the similarity in the psychology of the two characters.
a similarity so generic that it in the canon lore applies to every single human being, including non-humans. Your point = dismissed.

>Watch episode 25 and 26 again, he blatantly admits that.
Watch NGE again, the episodes where is able to stop piloting or consider leaving it is absolute proof that he is not 100% dependent on it like Asuka, who is unable to do that.

>Never said they didn't, just that's a more predominant characteristic in Shinji and Asuka compared to other characters their age in the show.
Again, wrong.
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>>152802472
Tell me about the great expanse of German lore you learned from your Dutch parents, mart sharter. You don't exactly sound like you have strong German ties
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>>152802394
>>152802584
>What exactly did I misunderstood about EVA or any of its characters? Literally nothing of what I said about them was wrong.

When you generalized them, and when you pretended Shinji was as dependent on piloting the EVA as Asuka.

Also when you moronically tried to claim they were the same person despite the obvious differences.

Just admit it, you're a fucking evageek poster, probably one of the regulars too. That's why you are able to still keep your delusions in 2017, by existing in a bubble.

>Trying to twist things again, huh? The discussion was about comparing Shinji with Asuka and out of nowhere,

Wrong, it was about Asuka. Right from the thread start. Then Shinji was brought in because you are a disgusting person, an Asuka fan, who can't stand your fake waifu delusions being destroyed by canon.

You felt the need to rag down on Shinji because then in your fucked up head, it makes Asuka look better. It doens't. Compare Asuka to hitler if you want, doesn't make Asuka any better. She's still shit and so are you.

Bringing up Rei is just the counter you deserve for being such an asshat. Funny how you just concentrate on Rei while I've also brought up Misato and other characters.

You really are just a fucking ugly Asukafag, and that last point proves it even more.

you mentioned Rei, which would be okay if she was just used as a example, but you got out of your way to praise her as best girl and to stir shit up about waifu wars, shipping and all that kind of faggotry. So yeah, you're a Reifag much more so than I'm a asukafag, as proven by all your posts.
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>>152802613
Alright then, from my fathers side some of his great-great grand parents came from Alsace-Lorraine during the Franco-Prussian War. They came to America as children, true story.

Also on his side were a couple of Anglos. Mothers side was Irish, Anglos and said Pennsylvanian Dutch.
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>>152802613
I always find it funny when Americans talk about their heritage cuz they had one years ago. If they even got one in the first place.

>>152802472
You sure act like an US citizen, though. You got a culture on your own.

>>152802849
This sounds retarded as fuck, that's like me saying I am part french because 200 years ago my people came from France.
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>>152802849
Top kek
I am pure Ulster Irish and I'm Australian, I don't go around saying I'm Irish. I guess >muh heritage isn't a meme after all, that's ridiculous
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