>BDs are an archaic media because they don't sell well

I don't give shit as long as panda and nyaa isn't down.

>verified
Are we twitter now? What a joke.

>>152680142
Stop drama-mongering, faggot.

>>152680209
>Being this assblasted that your favorite studio will never do this

So long as BDs sell, they will be made.
What Tattun™ is saying is that it isn't what the industry is relying on for their real profits any longer.

I have no idea what you're saying, but isn't that Tattun guy just a social media guy? Who cares what he has to say about the industry?

>>152680142
>>152680254
How many blog subs do I need before I can apply for a verified pass account?

>>152680254
>favorite studio
Why are you bringing up studio wars? There's a board for that, and it isn't /a/.

>>152680209
mods are trying to save face from ((((((((((accidentally)))))))))) banning him last week. Of course the easiest way would be to appeal to the reddit majority here.

>>152680254
/v/ is the other way, kid.

>>152680360
>((((((((((
Stop that.

>>152680386
sorry

>>152680209
Yeah, I can't say I like this much. Just fucking let him post with a normal trip, like Mamare and everyone else who has a need to keep their identity verified. You prove it once, keep using the tripcode afterward, and that's it.

>Ban advertising social media poobah for advertising
>/a/ throws a shitstorm
>Reinstate it and let him advertise and shitpost all over /a/
Why are our mods retarded? They should have just rangebanned the shilling retard.

>>152680142
I like how you think it's impossible to have digital downloads that produce better quality than BDs, and that you assume all JP BDs are even decent to begin with

>>152680449
Don't expect much from these new mods.

>having industry people come talk here is "reddit pandering" and other bullshit
I don't know if you're doing this to fulfill your daily quota of contrarianism or if you're just a fucking newfag trying to fit in, but you guys are pathetic.

>>152680429
Maybe if he could figure out how to use a fucking tripcode and keep using the same one.

>>152680429
This. but then again, the new mods probably weren't even around when that was a thing.

>>152680449
redditfags bring the ad revenue, hiro is loving it.

>>152680496
what's wrong with JP BDs?

>>152680511
>industry people
Anon, why are you falling for this shitty advertisement crap? This wasn't someone from the industry it was a social media middleman with an advertising degree who runs a twitter account or some other menial shit for the studio, they don't have anything to do with the people who work on anime, the people who produce anime, or the original manga authors, they are not part of "The Industry" they exist to go around the internet and get suckers like you to advertise for their employers. We have had people from the industry come to /a/ before, directors and mangaka even, this was just another shill like every man idiot who starts a fakku or CR thread.

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Social media guy from fucking Trigger of all places

VS

Actual anime producer

Who do you trust more?

>>152680511
There's literally nothing wrong with him being here. Giving him special treatment is a separate matter. As I said, Mamare did fine without one. Vale and that other Pony Canyon fag do fine without one. Derringer on /m/ does fine without one. We don't need this Verified account shit.

>>152680532
If he's retarded, that's no one's fault except his.

>>152680496
If the BD itself is bad, then so is the source that streaming distributers are given. Which is than encoded to even worst quality.

>>152680643
Newfags suddenly forgetting when AotS or Andrew WK posted.

>>152680637
Do you even need to ask?

>>152680637
He's not even verified. fucking newfag

>>152680142
>The Industry is dying
Is it though? I'm pretty sure anime/manga contributes significantly to Japan's economy.

hurrrrrr im too new and retarded to know about capcodes and get triggered because "verified" sounds like something from twitter

>>152680818
>I-I'm fitting in yet?

>>152680209
Custom capcodes aren't a new thing by any leap of the imagination.

>>152680756
>AotS
Don't know who that is, at least not off the top of my head.
>Andrew WK
Not a /mu/ fag myself.

They got this special verified shit? It looked newly made, considering how the icon didn't work.

>>152680842
I'm not the one whining about capcodes that have existed since ever, greentexter.

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>>152680842
No Reddit, you aren't. Try a little less harder.

>>152680142
>PR guy from fucking trigger
Opinion discarded.

>>152680894
It didn't say "Verified" but they did get custom capcodes when they posted on their own stickies a long ass time ago.

I refuse to buy music, games, and shows digitally. If there is something I want to listen to or watch or play and there isn't a physical edition then I just pirate it.
This switch to digital only and everyone embracing it are cancerous and need to be wiped out. If you're going to buy something you might as well actually get something for it and buy a physical copy. If you only buy digitally you are paying for literally nothing.

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>optical media
>not archaic

>>152680983
It's worse when it comes with DRM and a lot of bullshit terms (i.e. Steam).

>>152680626
Sometimes the people mastering them are bad, and of course there's all the re-releases of SD shows with QTEC. There's also the rare example of better companies outside of Japan doing a better job, like whoever did the Italian BDs for Madoka.

>>152680983
The software rights don't matter?
So you are okay with spending 50 dollars for a thin slice of plastic?

>>152681020
>implying BDs and CDs don't come with DRM

Just pirate the shit. Only pirates can actually own their stuff.

>>152680812
It contributes to its culture. Anime is incredibly niche.

>Kyoanus shitters eternally BTFO
Glorious

>>152680983
>If you only buy digitally you are paying for literally nothing
It's even worst with DRM, as it restricts you from using the data you're paying for. You don't even own it.

>>152680894
moot gave him a custom cap. I think it was ## PARTY HARD or something.

>>152681209
>You don't even own it.
You don't own it either way.

>>152681234
>You don't own it either way.
This, if you are going to pay for something might as well buy a physical copy.

>>152681234
What do you mean?

>>152680209
It's a based gift for such a based man

>>152681271
When you buy a BD with a movie or a game, you are not actually buying the movie or the game.
You are merely buying a data carrier with a copy of that movie or game and the right to use that data in a very specific manner.

The data is not yours.

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>>152681196
>Trying to start a studio war.

>>152681309
Please do not make posts such as this.

>>152681343
Flopped shit goes in another thread.

>>152681398
Lurk more.

>>152680142
I absolutely hate physical media but I dislike low quality streaming shit too. Give me high quality downloads.

>>152681365
Well, every Trigger related thread this season was/is/will be shit.

>>152680142
This is the face of LWA, people.
This is why I'm proud to not watch that trash.
Fuck Imaishi, and fuck his worthless goosesteppers who mindlessly follow him and his little pawns.

>>152681423
Trigger related threads were always shit, the studio attracts a lot of crossboarders.

>>152681456
To be fair, the studio itself is shit. Its only decent works are friggin' Inferno Cop and Ninja Slayer. Everything else is shit.

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>>152680812

Anime industry revenue grew 12% in 2016.

When average growth in Japan is below 1%.

>>152680142
>People like this, so full of bright ideas; he'd have have all physical media distributing ceased, and put in as replacement abysmal streaming services, DRM and all.

You're putting words in his mouth there. DRM in general is pushed by publishers, not creators. Steve Jobs published a rant on this and why DRM-free digital distribution is ideal 10 years ago and it's worth a read.
https://www.apple.com/kr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

Consider that Trigger released the original LWA on Youtube and Nicovideo for a short while with no rental or verification settings enabled. There was nothing stopping anyone from saving it. If a better quality platform with widespread adoption was available I'm sure Trigger would be game but in reality it's not the studio's choice how to publish when they don't control the IP like with shows produced and funded by huge committees. What we got from an answer by Tattun the other day is that the publishers push BD over there because they can charge a premium for it as a collectible.

>>152681209
BD as designed is a total clusterfuck of DRM, it only seems convenient because the DRM can be defeated on a PC and it happens to offer the best quality in a widely used format. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System

>>152681543
This is mostly thanks to China streaming.

>>152681458
Lurk more. Those prices are nothing special for /a/ related stuff.

>>152681328
Yes, but you're not restricted by DRM. I mean, BDs do ship with DRM, and require DRM integration for playback, but there's nothing stopping you from bypassing this and ripping the data for personal use. And really, you get a physical copy, even if just the disc, while streaming DRM prevents you from saving the data from cache, collects user information, uses CPU time not directly pertaining to streaming itself, and so on. When signing up for, say, Netflix, you're in essence paying to trade your data in exchange for streaming (as per their privacy policy). It's sick, because you get nothing in return except a data-collecting "service" in disguise.

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>>152681564
In other words, Trigger are just lapdogs with no power over their own shows, unlike KinoAni, am I correct?

>>152680983
>I refuse to buy music, games, and shows digitally.

Honestly, that's a pretty terrible attitude to have when it comes to digital media. Physical formats like Blu-ray suck ass compared to what you could do potentially do with digital releases, and as long as the digital purchase is DRM-free you do actually own it too.

Of course, right now a lot of digital releases suck ass in terms of quality compared to stuff like Blu-rays and are crippled with all kinds of DRM bullshit, but that's just a matter of the potential not being realized.

But if you have this attitude of "never gonna pay for anything digital ever", that certainly isn't going to increase the chances of actually good digital releases happening.

>>152681608
Just pirate it and be done with it.
You can buy a physical copy on top of that if you feel like supporting the creators or having a fancy collection.

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>>152681102
>Anime is incredibly niche.

Anime industry revenue for fiscal year 2015 was 18 billion $.

Hollywood revenue for the same fiscal year was 38 billion $.

Haw the shit is an industry half the size of Hollywood niche?

>>152680142
Well to be honest there's a lot of things that can be included with a physical copy (BD) of an anime
>Light novels
>Bonus CDs
>Drama CDs
>Event ticket
>Free games
>Artbooks
>Bonus props, like LWA cards for example

Producer was answering questions about anime and industry overall. That's nice and it deserves capcode.
But Tattun is a PR guy. He doesn't draw anime, doesn't write script, doesn't voice characters. His job is to sell shit. He doesn't come here just because he wants to talk with anons. He advertises his show. Please do support us! Please do buy our merchandise! He should have been banned the first time he came here.

I guess mods let it slip because it's really rare occurrence and pretty harmless. The problem is that right now /a/ is ready to throw money at him. And if somehow it turns out that pandering to /a/ can be profitable for Japanese studios we might get real hidden marketing and shilling in future.

>>152681398
It's in Yen.

>>152681661
How do you improve digital releases ?

>>152681678
Hollywood is niche too?

>>152681725

Stop posting. You need professional help.

>>152681564
>You're putting words in his mouth there.
It was the logical assumption I extrapolated from his reply. He's put forth his trite opinion despite offering no alternative to the quality BDs have to offer. He has nothing to say except making it clear he doesn't know what he's talking about, e.g. calling BDs "archaic", when even as a archival solution they're cheaper per GB and offer data integrity beyond mechanical or flash storage.

>>152681599
The issue is that these prices are highway robbery.
>"Hmm... maybe more people would buy our BDs if they were cheaper"
>"We can't test that sir, otakus are already giving us tons of money for these things"

>>152681661
Also, DRM-free digital downloads are arguable even more owned by you than something like a blu-ray disc, where DRM is mandatory by design (you literally can't do mass media releases on BD without including DRM on the discs).

>>152681705
Well, there's two ways, really. One is having people who care about quality in charge of digital distribution at legit companies. The other is massive demand by consumers and them voting with their wallets.

Both are unfortunately quite the moon shots, though at least the former can happen on occasions. Sadly it hasn't happened with any of the players in the English digital anime market.

>>152680142
>verified
Okay, what the hell did I miss?

>>152681542
I feel sorry for your shit taste, anon.

>>152681704
He didn't say Dollar.

>>152681782
makes sense for niche
they have lowered prices before and it didn't work

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>>152680142
>he'd have have all physical media distributing ceased

DVD/BD sales were always almost meaningless. They are 5% to 10% of TV anime revenue depending on the series. It's like that for over a decade.

>>152681694
>I guess mods let it slip because it's really rare occurrence and pretty harmless.
They unbanned him because anons complained.

>>152680142
Yeah, he sure looks like he's calling the shots at Trigger.

>>152681782
They did test it.
The sales didn't improve.
Lurk more.

>>152681694
Dude I was ready to throw money at them since the kickstarter.

I got what I wanted, and I don't regret it.

If BDs with bonus stuff ever reaches my country I will buy them on a whim.

I liked Gainax, I love TRIGGER and I love their whimsy stuff, I don't mind being part of a commercial spoof if I get a good laugh in the end. This shit was cool dude.

>>152681835
That chart is for super popular and daytime anime, not for niche stuff like LWA. See >>152680637 for late night anime standards.

>>152681694
>The problem is that right now /a/ is ready to throw money at him

It's their money, anon. Besides why do you care? An idiot and his money are soon parted.

>>152681800
>Sadly it hasn't happened with any of the players in the English digital anime market.

Why not?

>>152681725
>Hollywood is niche
This, Hollywood is World Cup tier.

>>152681898
Because a board full of shills behaves differently from a board without advertisement.

>>152681782

Anon, more people won't buy it if it's cheaper. It's just not true.

Second season of Game of Thrones made 40 million $ with BD/DVD sales.

Madoka made 30 million $ with BD/DVD sales.

Lowering the price won't increase the profit. Only hardcore fans buy those in the first place. Most people don't give a shit and will just stream.

>>152681661
>right now a lot of digital releases suck ass in terms of quality
>but that's just a matter of the potential not being realized
What you base this "unrealized potential" on when in fact DRM as a whole has only gotten worst in recent years? BDs and later integrations have more restrictive DRM than DVDs, html5 streaming has more restrictive DRM than flash video, digital books/audiobooks, etc can't even be rented without DRM, even from libraries which offer free online rentals, video game platforms like steam, and so on. DRM is integrating more and more restrictively into everything while internet quality is stagnant, which means no where in the near future will you be able to download a BD-quality or better file DRM free, much less stream it.

>>152681800
No one summoned you, Daiz, get out.

>>152681891

It's average for the industry.

Only series that live or die on BD sales are shitty LN adaptations.

>>152680142
>Streaming was a mistake.
How many years have I been telling you retards that?

>>152681661
I don't want "good" digital releases either. I want good physical releases.
I wouldn't mind if everything is only released digitally because I would save a lot of money by not paying for any entertainment.

>>152681984
>Average for the industry
>Only series that live or die on BD sales are shitty LN adaptations.

Which are 90% of late night anime.

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>mod banning for silly joke
oh come on
>>152681694
>The problem is that right now /a/ is ready to throw money at him.
LWA deserves money more than averege harem/isekai/ trash and bad low budget adaptations of popular manga/VN

>>152681975
What are you gonna do, ban him?

>>152680142

Look how much streaming improved in the last 10 years.

It's the future. Even the guys who invented Blu-ray are saying this now.

>>152682032
>deserves
>deserves money
Hahaha.

The "industry" itself is fine. The publishers and studios make plenty of money from the kiddie stuff and the flagship franchises.
The question is purely how economical it is for them to experiment with the niche stuff that we all love.

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Why would you listen to a rep from a studio that has literally never made any profit on any one of their series?

>>152681898
>Besides why do you care?
Are you really OK with the likes of /v/ and tumblr directly influencing studios and possibly even the industry as a whole? It would be a mess. Anime is Japanese, even with its many a Western influence, but that could change for the worst once Western pandering becomes a selling point.

>>152682025
>>Only series that live or die on BD sales are shitty LN adaptations.
>Which are 90% of late night anime.
Wrong.

>>152682032
The show isn't that good to be honest, it deserves no more than 4-6k in sales.

>>152682025

Stop exaggerating. It's closer to 1/3.

And literally none of the really big hits are LN adaptations.

>>152681542
What

>>152681694
>pretty harmless
You consider facebook, reddit , tumbr, /b/, twitter, commander and shitting up an opportunity to talk with the creators "pretty harmless"?
Are you retarded?

>>152682001
Well I don't know who you are anon, but I'm going to guess 12.

>>152681694
>The problem is that right now /a/ is ready to throw money at him.
We were ready even before he showed up.

>>152682032

I too like LWA more than generic edgy grimdark mahou shoujos. Akko is a pure shoujo and her mahou doesn't involve murdering her classmates. Japan disagrees, however.

>>152682059

KlK sold two times better than Re Zero.

>>152680142
I'm going to tell you something, and I want you to listen very closely.

People will watch a sub 480p sub of an anime WITH COMMERCIAL BREAKS if it was easy enough.

BR being the bread and butter instead of forced commercials in low bitrate streams is retarded.

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>>152682139
Got a source for that, sport?

>>152682067
>The show isn't that good to be honest, it deserves no more than 4-6k in sales.
If Yuri on QUALITY gets 50k, this deserves twice that, at least.

>>152681966
The phrase "unrealized potential" speaks for itself.
>html5 streaming has more restrictive DRM than flash video, digital books/audiobooks, etc can't even be rented without DRM, even from libraries which offer free online rentals, video game platforms like steam, and so on.
Everything you listed there is a choice/demand made by publishers and not a strict limitation of digital distribution. There's nothing stopping anyone from publishing without DRM but the major publishers themselves. DRM-free video content, ebooks, video games and such all exist.

>>152682090
Literally? The 2 best selling shows this season will be LN adaptations.

The best selling late night anime of the past decade is a LN adaptation.

Literally?

>>152682145
Okay anon, I'll bite.
What's wrong with commercial breaks? That's how television has always been.

>>152682122
Youtube wasn't even a thing 12 years ago.

>>152681880
>kickstarter
Kickstarter is cancerous and anyone that gives money to anything on there is a piece of garbage.
It's ironic how most of the people that give money to projects on kickstarter are leftists and bitch about corporations and big business, yet they'll fund some idiots' business ventures with no guarantees.

>>152681939
>>152682061
Did you really think that an average /a/ user have that much money? People were complaining about 4chan passes a while ago.

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>>152682067
Why it's not good? Because it's family friendly?

>>152682173
Appealing to tradition won't work.

>>152682163
It's Trigger, they will shit the bed soon enough, and people don't watch anime just for the animation quality. I didn't like YoI much either but its characters had at least more depth and were more interesting than the ones in LWA.

>>152682167
>The best selling late night anime of the past decade is a LN adaptation.

Love Live and Madoka are LN's?

YoI was a LN? Osomatsu was a LN? GuP was a LN?

>>152682090
What do you mean that no big hits are LN adaptations?

>>152682236
Bakemonogatari is the best selling show of the past decade, with over 110k average.

>>152682167

Monogatari was in 2009. That was ages ago. Things changed.

>>152682222
I'm not appealing to tradition, dumbass.
You watch the ads so you don't have to pay for it.

>>152681926
Because the people who pay for CR etc seem perfectly happy eating whatever shit the companies feed them up, and with licenses being pretty much always exclusive the companies have basically zero incentives to improve.

>>152681966
>What you base this "unrealized potential" on

The simple fact that legit players get access to the real high quality sources, and with digital you could provide real high quality options that aren't restricted to the limits of physical formats like Blu-ray.

DRM itself isn't directly tied to quality, but it is definitely a very real issue with digital content. I think there is value in content protection as an enabler for the catalog rental subscription model (eg. Netflix), but those shouldn't be the only options - it really should exist alongside the possibility of actually buying content DRM-free too. Also, shit like anti-circumvention laws just straight up shouldn't exist, they're pure bullshit of the highest degree.

HTML DRM is also something that makes me really sad. Honestly, Netflix etc should've been forced to stay on Silverlight or Flash if they wanted their DRM blobs, in a perfect world if they wanted to use HTML5 they should've had to implement any content protection solely in JS.

>>152682024
>I want good physical releases.

But physical release formats will pretty much always limit the potential quality that you could get out of a release. Digital has way less restrictions in that regard.

>>152682267
What are the top 5 best sellers?

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>>152682173
>What's wrong with commercial breaks?

>>152680142
He didn't say they need to cease distributing physical media, just said that their merchandise is more profitable than BD sales and with the changing landscape studios have to start adapting because the BD model is not going to be around forever.

>>152682282
No, I pirate it so I don't have to pay for it.

>>152682274
>2009
>Ages ago

Underage detected.

>>152682267

Monogatari was a freak success nobody expected. Don't act like it's the norm. And it was almost 10 years ago.

>>152682282
I don't watch ads though.

>>152682182
No, but the basic flash player that it eventually used was a thing 14 years ago and I do remember people complaining about it. I remember people complaining about the very idea of video streaming through the internet before it was realistically possible, but that was for other reasons.

>>152682173
Dude, I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm stating that relying on blu-ray when streaming that is structured like television is the wave of the future.

If they even go so far as too outright shut down places that have the new stuff up without the commercials intact they'll earn more profit.

>>152681984
You're so fucking new and retarded. Stop posting.

>It's average for the industry.
Yes, abut revenues in mainstream (non late night) late night anime are gigantic and they completely distort the overall picture.
Ghibli movies, kid shows (Yo-kai watch), heavy merch hitters like Gundam and shit make billions of yen every year.
But an average late night TV anime doesn't get any "movie" money, no "music" money, no "pachinko", no oversea sales. It gets only BD sales, streaming licenses (they are very cheap unlike some retards think here), and some cheap keychains and posters.

>>152682288
Bake, Gundam, Gundam, Madoka and Haruhi

>>152682283
>Flash
No.

>Silverlight
NONONONO

>>152682204
>Did you really think that an average /a/ user have that much money?
We are a board of 10s of thousands.
That is some buying power.
If you can monetize that easily, you will.

/v/ has plenty of shills, and /v/irgins are younger than /a/nons on average.

>>152681975
>No one summoned
>someone mentioned Blue-rays and DRM

>>152682324
I was just correcting the kid, he claimed that "literally none of the really big hits are LN adaptations", which is factually wrong.

>>152682164
>There's nothing stopping anyone from publishing without DRM
Absolutely wrong. DRM locks down the services and platforms, funneling money where companies want it to go. Take for example "Netflix Originals": there's nothing stopping them from being available DRM-free, as they're licensed by Netflix. But that doesn't happen, for reasons listed above. Control and data is key in the digital age, and if you give people the choice to download a file through a server and then piss off from the given service, there is no control over user data. But with DRM, everything is tracked from top to bottom, both for invasive and also non-invasive data aggregation purposes, from which on it's used in-house and shared and sold with third-parties.

>>152682204
>People were complaining about 4chan passes a while ago.
Not because of them being not affordable. But because hiro forced people to buy them.

>>152682344
Ah gotcha. We basically agree then.

>>152682347

Except those late night anime also sell figures.

And bishojo figures market dwarfs even Gunpla.

>>152682204
>People were complaining about 4chan passes a while ago.
Not because of how much they cost though.

>>152682386
>I need to use 8 years old show to prove my point

Back when Monogatari was the thing smartphones were new. It was a different world.

>>152682396
Did you stop reading that sentence halfway through or something? Let me re-word it.
>Working with major publishers is the only reason DRM is as pervasive as it is today.
I agree with you completely.

>>152682336
>I remember people complaining about the very idea of video streaming through the internet before it was realistically possible,
These men should be given medals.

>>152682299
I really like this Kumiko

>>152682209
Yes.
Why do you watch anime and not cartoons? Why do you watch anime and not western TV shows? Anime attracted me with its unique elements which are not present in any other media. But LWA doesn't have anything like that, it looks like a typical western cartoon. So I might as well watch western cartoon instead.

>>152682283
>But physical release formats will pretty much always limit the potential quality that you could get out of a release. Digital has way less restrictions in that regard.
Not for games and shows. A complete DRM free game or movie/show you would not only be able to have the high quality rip from the disk, but you also have the collectable disk with the content on it that you can sell down the line.
I can sell my physical anime even if they have DRM on it.
I didn't notice your trip the first time otherwise I would have ignored your sorry ass.

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>>152682472
>Moving goalposts

Streaming sucks. Even in 2017 it's still in stone age because
>not available in your region even if you paid $
Same for region locked BD/DVD

>>152682356
See, the thing is that "plugin-free HTML5 experience!" in the context of services like Netflix that make use of HTML DRM is a lie. Instead of having a single plugin like Silverlight or Flash, which are basically devils you know, you now have multiple separate DRM black boxes taking their place. So in reality, you've made the situation even worse, because now you're dealing with multiple devils you don't know instead of just the one or two you know.

Not to mention how dangerous of a slippery slope the embracing of DRM into HTML itself is. One can only hope we don't actually start sliding down it, because if we do, it'll be basically the end of the open web as we know it.

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>>152680209
Newfag.

>>152682508
You don't appreciate any of what makes anime actually unique.

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>>152682508
Not the guy you're responding to, but I just wanted to say I 100% agree and all this Triggershilling online really roasts my rump.

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>>152682504
Don't flatter her too much. It'll go to her head.

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>>152682508
>Anime attracted me with its unique elements which are not present in any other media.
How many anime you watched?

>>152680142
I understand /a/'s stance towards streaming torrenting etc, but I am a complete pleb when it comes to the technical details. Can someone explain to me the factors involved here?

>>152682508
>Anime attracted me with its unique elements which are not present in any other media.
(laughs)

>hey guys, I'm from trigger AMA
It's like I'm really on that place.

>>152682508
Anime are cartoons you weeaboo faggot

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>>152682667
your leddit is leaking

>>152682516
>A complete DRM free game or movie/show you would not only be able to have the high quality rip from the disk

Except that once again that "high quality" in case of shows is limited by the restrictions of the physical format itself. Like, you know how fansub releases have done some really fancy typesetting with softsubs? You simply couldn't do that kind of stuff with Blu-ray subs - they're VERY limited in comparison. Not to mention that the Blu-ray format itself is a total clusterfuck from an authoring perspective, so most of the time you see authoring houses use the bare minimum features available due to the massive complexity. And as mentioned earlier, you can't make mass media BD releases without DRM of some kind, so the usage of the very format itself feeds the continued development and usage of DRM.

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>>152682516
>I didn't notice your trip the first time otherwise I would have ignored your sorry ass.
How new?

>>152682697
He's right.

>>152682472
Considering that in top 10 there are also nise and F/Z I think we can safely say that >>152682090 is just full of shit.

>>152682667
Anime is based on Disney and most of its "characteristic elements" were born due to lowering budgets.

>>152682425
>Except those late night anime also sell figures.
No. Only popular anime gets lots of expensive figures and stuff. Usually anime can only boast with some shitty prize figures or low quality nendos. They are cheap and they are produced in very limited quantities. And majority of anime doesn't get even that.

Go http://myfigurecollection.net/. Search few anime which sold below 4k (I think this is current median). Usually you won't be able to find any figures.

I just want to buy anime to download from convenient places like amazon or itunes at a reasonable price.

>>152682703
>fancy typesetting with softsubs?

Does anyone really care about this when the script and tl quality is more valuable?

>>152682802
I hate hardsubs.

>>152680862
>implying these fucks even know what a capcode is
Waste of breath. Leave them to be blatantly stupid.

>>152682709
why did he shave his head?

>>152682802
That wasn't even his point.

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>just lurking /a/ instead of actively posting nowadays
>this shit happens
>even daiz is here

>>152680142
Is professional posting on 4chan?

>>152682842
To reduce wind resistance for when he runs from the cops.

>>152682709
I'm not new, I know about him I just didn't look to see if he had a trip or not. Didn't notice it was that faggot until I already responded.
>that pic
Of course he looks like a faggot too.

>>152682875
>I'm not new,
>>that pic
Yes, you are new.

>>152682802
Given the choice between a good script with terrible presentation and the same good script with good presentation to go with it, wouldn't you obviously choose the latter? It's not some kind of either/or situation, and even then the main reason I brought it up was as an example of what you couldn't do on Blu-ray due to its limitations.

>>152682061
Is this the fujo dilemma?

A niche existing doesnt mean the rst of the medium is dead, it just gives the people with acquisition power a bit of focus.

>>152682731
Almost all modern animation is based on Disney.
Why are you telling me this?

>>152682842
white power

>>152682947
I'm contributing to your point.

>>152682731
>tezuka and miyazaki were influenced by Disney so all anime is based on Disney
You can be this stupid.

>>152681381
>anime that just came out
>flopped

>>152682540
>One can only hope we don't actually start sliding down it
If by "we" you mean corporate entities and consumers as a whole, then it's already too late.

>>152682201
You mean paying for what i actually want?

It isnt a matter of a label or shit, i put my money on the stuff i want to acquire,i got an ova by giving less than the needed pocket money for a good evening in the movies.

Its fucking win|win for me.

>>152682703
How do we achieve your digital video dreams?

Retards acting like custom capcodes are a new thing while calling others reddit is hilarious.

>>152682968
Unacceptable.
This is a thread for arguing.

>>152682061
>Western pandering
Unlikely. Even with the Olympics and the GitS movie coming up, anime is still a niche hobby in both countries. It's gonna take a long time for both to be fully recognized by all audiences.

>>152683010
Doesn't take that long to tell which anime will flop.

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>Tezuka's adaptations and remakes made be Yoshinari never

>>152682943
>niche
>western audience
Pick one. Fujos may be an overwhelming "niche" demographic in home-grown Japan, but the West is all that and more. How many people who actually appreciated anime as a medium would be having a say with their money? It'd be too few. Imagine "American Cartoons - Anime Themed" and tell me it doesn't signal the death of anime.

>>152683040
I was talking about HTML DRM specifically, and the slippery slope in question is about other industries starting to ask "Hey if video can have DRM in HTML then why not audio too?" and "Why not images too?" and "Why not text too? Why not markup too?" until there's basically nothing left of what was once the Open Web.

>>152683084
Hard to say. Considering how things are right now the most realistic option could be that FAKKU continues to grow and eventually expands into regular anime, at which point I myself would be in charge of digital distribution at a legal anime outlet. Considering that this could easily take years if it were to happen at all, the chances aren't looking very good.

>>152680983
>and there isn't a physical edition then I just pirate it.

Pirating all the digital only 3DS games I want. I'm McLoving it.

>>152683113
Forgot to add that they don't care much for foreign influences, even with the anime uprising in China. Don't forget that the two countries hate each other, too.

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>>152683086
>Reddit being stupid as usual and confusing /a/ shitting on a mod giving a completely unrelated idiot who acts as if this were twitter a capcode with them being new.

So do I get this right or is the industry floating on the back of several ten thousand whales who happen to buy the BD's on the island?

>>152683219
>Don't forget that the two countries hate each other, too.
They don't hate each other. They are just difficult lovers.
Japan is being kuudere and enjoys teasing China.
China is being yandere and wants to return the rape of Nanking in the most brutal and loving fashion.

>>152682542
Based deadmau5

>>152683192
>FAKKU continues to grow and eventually expands into regular anime, at which point I myself would be in charge of digital distribution at a legal anime outlet.
Here we fucking go

>>152683219
>Don't forget that the two countries hate each other, too.
So japanese artists hate chinese artists?

>>152683192
>I myself would be in charge of digital distribution at a legal anime outlet.
Are you trying to turn the entire chart true?

>>152682842
He cosplays as Saitama from one punch man.

>complain about drm
>work with illegal turned legal site with drm
?

>>152683280
So you probably got here in 2015 at best, got it.

>>152683280
What kind of elitist bullshit is this? We got a Nip who knows the animus personally to do a fun Q&A.
I get that you're jealous he didn't have to lurk for 2 years, but get a grip.

>>152683010
The word has been used so many times, it basically has lost its meaning. Like rape.

>>152682508
Are you saying that anime inherently needs to be "un-family-friendly" in order to be TRUE anime? Because that's dumb.

>>152683425
>animus
You should probably lurk more than 2 years.

>>152683425
>What kind of elitist bullshit is this?
So you started watching anime in 2015, then?

>>152683192
>until there's basically nothing left of what was once the Open Web
Yes, but DRM is transparent to a large majority, or simply just accepted for what it is, so the slippery slope you paint isn't all too unlikely to unfold. People will adopt anything out of ignorance or convenience of both.

>>152683425
This post smells like reddit.

>>152683454
I would say that, but I would disagree about his complaint.
Family-unfriendly anime is the core of anime. If you don't like fanservice, you aren't an anime fan, no matter how much you love Ghibli.
However that doesn't make family-friendly anime bad, and shunning shows because they lack panty shots is retarded.

>>152683418
>>152683425
So you think this faggot and the first 1300 posts in that thread are as good as Mamare and his threads?

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>>152683391
FAKKU books are completely DRM-free though, and I would say FAKKU itself is a prime example of the potential of digital distribution I've been talking about in this thread, so yeah, you can do it if you have people who actually care about quality in charge who also know what needs to be done to achieve it.

>>152683454
Japan has shitton of kid shows like for example Detective Conan. It's anime and probably not even bad (for kids). But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to enjoy it. Same with LWA. It's probably not bad, but it doesn't have anything I would enjoy (and I actually like CGDCT anime).

>>152683570
Are FAKKU books encoded in h265?

>>152683456
That rule only applies to the word anime, genius

>>152683570
>Shilling for Fakku

>>152683567
I'm just saying this happened several times before, i.e. deadmau5 and Andrew WK getting custom caps over 6 years ago, so newbies trying to fit in by calling this le reddit/twitter are fucking pathetic.

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>>152682508
I watch both. What now?
The west doesn't have LWA. Japan does. That's why I watch it. You're a tosser.

>>152680287
>any longer
Have they ever?

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>>152683625
I wish people wouldn't misuse this word so damn often, it's not shilling if he's open about his affiliation. Obnoxious, yes, but not shilling.

>>152681984
The opposite. LN/Manga adaptations can live off of source boosts. What really lives and dies off of BDs are original anime.

>>152683570
I download everything from panda and buy originals for artist support.

>>152683570
Did you get permission to post that image? It's copyrighted and protected by FAKKU's license. Even if you're representing FAKKU it doesn't mean you can use its licensed materials and distribute it over internet. Please DMCA yourself.

>>152683567
I remember half of his posts sounding like ads for the NHK.

>>152683703
>shilling for Daiz

>>152683621
H.265 (or BPG, which basically uses H.265) would actually make for a pretty nice lossy format from a technical standpoint in places where lossy images are used, but from both a general compatibility as well as patent standpoint it's not really worth using, especially for images.

The whole patent situation itself is a pretty large deterrent for using it legally. It's really sad because the initial MPEG-LA terms were actually really nice, but then HEVC Alliance had to fuck everything up. At this point I'm really hoping that AV1 will actually turn out nicely.

>>152683746
I hate you

>>152683635
>newbies trying to fit in
Why did you immediately get butthurt and assume they meant that I will never know.

>>152681835
This chart breaks down profits of the entire fucking industry, it's not indicative of how anime studios or even production committees get their money.

>>152683747
What about WebP?

>>152683570
Holy shit, fuck off.
https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=fakku

>>152683899
DELETE

>>152683731
>Did you get permission to post that image?

I do actually have explicit permission to post images like this, yes.

>>152683722
Good for you, though you can probably understand that it's not a preferable option for everyone due to the complications of importing and the matter of having to know Japanese if you actually want the purchase to be more than pretty much just a donation (and most people usually want some real return for their money). Not to mention that the JP version will be censored compared to FAKKU stuff being uncensored.

And buying FAKKU versions does also support the artists basically all the same. Like with books artists actually get a bigger sum out of a FAKKU book sale compared to the equivalent JP version.

>>152683854
Not worth the massive decrease in general compatibility.

>>152683344
Not exactly, but both governments do have a rocky relationship with each other. Ditto for both and North and South Korea.

>>152680142
Havent seen a thread this bad in quite a while.

>>152683931
At this point I have developed a fetish for censorship.

>>152683899
He's the one who upload it.

>daiz brings out fakku out of nowhere just to shill

>>152683992
Then why isn't it trusted?

>>152681421
>I absolutely hate physical media
what a fucking faggot

>>152683931
Yes yes and it cures cancer and makes Julianne fries too I bet.

Didn't you get banned once for advertising on /a/? Could we do that again?

>>152684008
He even has a super special permission to post their content just so he can shill better, it's amazing.

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>>152683192
>FAKKU continues to grow and eventually expands into regular anime
is such a thing even possible?

>>152683945
But how big government influence in anime when studios need big sponsor cocks for even low budget anime?

>>152683986
The 40 minute "Q&A" last night was worse, yet sanctioned by the mods.

>>152684067
Have you forgotten how CR started out?

>>152684008
Daiz is a businessman. he is trying to sell you on his ideas and what he has to offer.

What I find frustrating is people buy BDs mostly for collection but from time to time you get industry voices condemning illegal distribution of anime as harmful for the industry. That just fly in the face of the fact that out of the people who are legally watching anime, for free or otherwise, only a tiny fraction of them spend money on BDs. I went out of my way to purchase overpriced BDs from Japan and I don't even open most of them. When I want to rewatch ef or something I just use the rips I downloaded.

>>152680209
>being this jealous

>>152683747
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as AV1, is in fact, Daala/AV1, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Daala plus AV1. AV1 is not a video codec unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Daala encoding and decoding system made useful by the Daala Intra Paint algorithm, perceptual vector quantization and frequency-domain intra prediction comprising a full video format as defined by Xiph.Org.

>>152684080
"Daiz ## Verified" when?

>>152684086
Did it start by distributing porn online?
It might be really hard to move to anime with that background.

>>152684068
Japanese government: minimal.
Chinese government: involved in almost every economic venture to some degree.
If it's a Chinese production committee, they probably have a commissar on board who makes sure that China is presented properly in the anime.

>>152684008
>out of nowhere

Except that we were talking about high quality digital distribution in the first place, and it is actually quite relevant to that.

>>152684047
>Yes yes and it cures cancer and makes Julianne fries too I bet.

No need to bring out the hyperbole when there wasn't any in the first place.

>>152684067
Who knows? The route there would most likely be that first FAKKU would expand from h-manga to regular manga, and from regular manga to anime. That first step has a relatively decent chance of happening at some point, but the second step is a much bigger leap.

I certainly wouldn't mind if it did happen though, I've certainly been thinking about how I'd want to do digital distribution for anime for a long time.

>>152684080
But how? Isn't LWA threads always have based janitor who bans shitposters and even funposters in crossfire ?

Anime can die for all I care.

Anybody with taste sticks with manga and maybe watches the only worthwhile anime every year.

I wonder if Daiz noticed that there was a Trigger Q&A.

>>152684147
>porn
That's your issue?
Many successful mangaka started by drawing porn.

>>152680983
I agree with this. I never buy anything digital. In the end what would be the point?

Well, crunchyroll is firing everyone for a reason.

too bad Japan cares 0% about LWA

>>152681661
>>152681800
>>152682283
>>152682703
>>152683192
>>152684163

Holy shit when did Daiz come back. It's been fucking ages. As much as I hate him for shilling Fakku and ruining Dantalian when it first aired, I do agree with digital release quality being sub-par.

That said, fuck you and fuck FAKKU for ruining Panda.

>trigger
Pffft. Daiz is the one who will save anime.

>>152684136
I feel like daiz should be granted moderator ability so he can ban the negative posts.

>people want two shady guys to grow bigger within a niche and cripple/give it cancer to it

>talking shit about Tattun
Kys your yourself

>>152684100
>condemning illegal distribution of anime as harmful for the industry.
Because that's the urban myth that almost everybody believes in:
Piracy is bad.
Every study on the subject proves it wrong, but people keep perpetuating it.

>>152684080
why are you so upset about someone from the industry actually reaching out?

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>>152684163
Henreader tank fucking when?

>>152684247
Come on guys, it's what is best for the digital release of anime. What have you got to lose?

>>152683570
That's some good shit, thanks.

>>152684204
It doesn't matter in Japan. But I'm pretty sure Daiz is talking about distributing anime in western countries.

>>152680983
This desu

>>152684214
Not even train tickets?

>>152684163
Daiz why do you and Joe hate loli? Where's my full loli magazine release?

>>152680142
>shilling condoned on /a/
What is the world coming to?

>>152684283
>that recent work of his where a foreigner loli masturbates in front of 2 siblings and they fuck after
Fucking hell my dick

>>152684147
Dude, Moebius draw porn. Did you even see Kim Jung Gi and his scetchbook?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdtnvFgELLc
No one cares about porn. But you need separete name if you work with non mature projects so kids will not see dicks if they try to google your name

>>152680142
it's always been like this in the west though, physical media were just a means to an end, I just accepted it until I realized places like Japan put a huge emphasis about physical media and how if your going to collect for something it should look nice, if anything it's caught on more than before.

>>152684163
did you make this thread just to bring up fakku, Daiz?

>>152684304
Japan is more prude than the west.

>>152684365
that's the idea. gotta promote and pique interest in his website on this message board.

>>152684364
The vinyl industry is experiencing a boom currently.

Owning things physically will always have a satisfying feel that digital purchases can never replicate.

>>152684054
>He even has a super special permission to post their content

I might have made it sound pretty fancy as a response to that initial post, but in reality it basically went down along the lines of me saying "hey it's cool for me to post pages from releases as an example of FAKKU stuff in discussions right?" to Jacob and him replying with "yeah no prob" and that settled that.

>>152684230
>Holy shit when did Daiz come back.

I never left in the first place. I just haven't been posting as much with a trip.

>>152684283
Probably not anytime soon sadly, especially with Henreader going all "but if my book is released uncensored to the world the world will think I'm a terrible person for drawing such things" to the suggestion. Then there's also the issue of payment processors being a bunch of massive prudes complicating things further.

>>152684327
>Daiz why do you and Joe hate loli?

But I don't? Neither does FAKKU itself. Really, the main issues with loli content come from external forces.

>>152684365
Pretty good plot

>>152683570
>shilling for Fakku
I'll mount your hairless scalp over my fireplace cunt

>>152684414
>Really, the main issues with loli content come from external forces.

But I thought that Trump being elected would mean loli is legal.
Did /pol/ lie to me?

this thread should have been nuked a few hundred posts ago

board drama is pure cancer

>>152683931
Would you consider releasing uncensored digital versions of eromanga in Japanese?

>>152684414
So the problem is Paypal and shit not accepting loli?
Fucking hell. Why no bitcoin then?

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>>152684301
>he's fell for the shilling

>>152684443
>Board drama
Are you retarded?

>>152684414
Do you watch LWA this season?

>>152684443
Just hide the thread if it triggers you so much.

>>152684279
Because the "reaching out" amounted to banal blogposting, self-advertising, and a meager contribution from the "producer", who might as well have been Tattsun himself.

Remember when Daiz got into an argument with a VLC dev that ended up utterly buttblasted? That was fun.

>>152684454
>So the problem is Paypal and shit not accepting loli?
That's not problem becasue you can use invoices

>>152680142

When did this happen and why isn't it still stickied?

>>152684230
>ruining Dantalian when it first aired
What did he do?

>>152684443
>board drama
It's called meta discussion, newfag, and this thread is hardly it.

>>152684414
How true is this?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=50325

>>152684516
Did you miss Log Horizon threads or something?

>>152682508
>Why do you watch anime and not cartoons? Why do you watch anime and not western TV shows?
Because there's an army of weebs like you that only watch anime and make it available for free in a wonderfully, autisticly structured manner. I'm too poor for anything else.

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>>152684406
I wouldn't underestimate hipsers and audio snobs to explain the popularity of vinyl.

>>152684414
>Probably not anytime soon sadly, especially with Henreader going all "but if my book is released uncensored to the world the world will think I'm a terrible person for drawing such things" to the suggestion. Then there's also the issue of payment processors being a bunch of massive prudes complicating things further.
What a shame.

>>152680142
But physical media is dying fast too. Ask anyone, even Hollywood. I can bet you anything CR already has better profit margins than producers with their BDs.

Why did 10bit h264 fail?

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>>152680142
I don't really see an issue with streaming. The difference between 720p and 1080p doesn't matter a lot to me.

>>152684534
It never was stickied (thank god), and it happened last night.

>>152684516
so you'd prefer if no effort was made at all and there was a complete one sided relationship so you can have a secret club or something?

>>152684459
It's on nyaa faggot.

>>152680142
Are you aware that we aren't that far from 1080p+/60fps streams right?

>>152684624
Resolution and framerate are not the same thing as bitrate.

>>152684448
Not gonna happen for the simple reason that content in Japanese is basically considered to be primarily for the Japanese market and uncensored porn is obviously no-no in Japan.

>>152684454
Trying to sell something with bitcoin being the only way to pay for it doesn't make for very good business, sadly.

>>152684489
I'll probably start watching around the midpoint or so. Since I try to avoid direct simulcast rips as much as possible and with most fansub releases being pretty slow these days I tend to wait until a season is over and the show's been completely released before watching them so I don't end up waiting weeks for episodes. It's not really a position I enjoy being in, but that's just how things are right now.

>>152684624
>60 fps
you seriously need to fucking kill yourself

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>>152684624
>60fps

>>152684581
Actual audio snobs listen to CDs, especially since classical on vinyl sounds like ass because it's not loud enough.

It's "hipsters", sure. The reason people vinyl is because it looks cool, and because they like having lyric sheets/liner notes/bonus songs/other cool shit. People don't buy BDs for the purpose of rewatching the episodes, they buy it for the sexy packaging and the bonus content.

>>152684624
Thank you for this very constructive post.
But you need to leave now.

>>152684598
looks great to me

>>152680983
This. Except that I don't pay for ANY media at all except a few books and even then it's very select stuff, not mass-market crap. Deal with it.

>>152682209
What anime is that? Looks a bit like Kaiba, but not enough to confirm. Or is it just a doodle some anime artist made?

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>>152684624
>/60fps

>>152684554
The engineer is doing a great job at missing the point and talking out of their ass in that thread.

Daiz, when will CCCP be updated?

>>152684744
What the hell ever happened to Funi? Did CR kill them?

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>>152684624
>60fps

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>>152684739
This is real fucking science man

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>>152684654

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>>152684624
Resolution (or framerate) does not automatically equal quality. They only represent the theoretical maximum, while the practical quality comes from things like bitrate, source quality and encoding settings.

Picture related. It looks like shit, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a 1080p screencap. Which is why resolution alone isn't enough to determine the actual quality.

>>152684624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hYXVfaLcmE
I can't wait!

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>>152684780
They went all buddy-buddy with CR and now all their subbed stuff is on CR while they themselves are doing dub-only streams.

This is especially amusing (and sad) when you consider the fact that in their recent video platform update they increased the video quality but decreased the audio quality to basically potato tier.

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>>152684839
While these images are amusing for anyone in the know, just to be safe I gotta say that this is a terrible comparison that in no way represents reality (especially considering that the main point of SVP is supposed to be increased framerate through interpolation, which you can't exactly show off in a static screencap). In reality if use SVP and don't configure it to basically do fuck-all the results are more like picture related for anime.

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>>152684624
If you say streaming is trash you're probably just a contrarianfag

>>152684850
Makes it look like a flash animation.

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>>152682709

i really hope the cops catch this man

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>>152684216
they aren't firing the right crowd