Is she the most refreshing character recently in anime? >she

>>152320423
>pretends

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>>152320423
>recently
When we had Chitose last season

>>152320423
I find her kind of bland, but that's to be expected from a character in a setting that attempts to mimick reality.

>>152320423
She is a worse-Iroha in every damn way. In normal case that would be fine. But being a worse copy in a bland series with a faggot generic MC, might as well not exist.

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>she pretends to be a slut for keks but isn't
Some people actually believe this.

>>152320501
But Iroha is ugly, at least this whore is fappable.

The atmosphere of this anime feels much diffrent then Amagami.
The MC is kind of creepy in his delusions (for the norm) but its kind of interesting to see this play out.

>>152320423
>>she pretends to be a slut for keks but isn't
You're in for a huge surprise when each arc reaches their ending

>>152320492
>Mimic reality
What? You mean in every way except the girls? Because they are still anime as fuck, with mannerism that only 2D girls have. It is so that we can self-insert with more ease? It all horrible backfires since everything thing is so boring. OST, MC, backdrops, events and girl design.

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>>152320486
Came here to post this.

>>152320423
>pretends

>>152320550
Iroha is the ideal tease-girl. This one is just the two main CG slapped together. And whores are dime a dozen, we really don´t need more whores.

>>152320549
Fuck off tripfag.

>>152320423
>Pretends
Oh boy, is a slut reversal arc champ. Jesus, do we still get anime babies like you nowadays?

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>>152320423
>she is funny
>she is confident
>she is dominant
>she pretends to be a slut for keks but isn't

Ok, except she is a slut

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>>152320594
I completely disagree. Seiren feels very much like Amagami, and Juunichi had his own daydreams too.

Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>152320501
Iroha is more sneaky about her intentions and Oregairu has arguably been kinda shitty after the first season.

>>152320610
The author already confirmed on twitter that there will be no bad endings because "nobody wants to see a bad ending in a show like this".

>>152320971
At least Juunichi was better and more interesting than the turbo sperg that is Seiren MC.

>>152320501
What this anon says.

>>152320550
Iroha looks like a mutt. At least this chick is attractive.

>>152321163
Juunichi was pretty dorky too. In some routes more, in some routes less. Overall, Shouichi seems fine to me. What's your specific issue with him?

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>>152320423
She's literally perfect.

>>152321216
Juunichi felt like a normal guy to me, not too beta or too alpha.
Shouichi is too much of a generic nice guy MC.

>>152321216
Another bland MC

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>>152320423
>pretends

>>152321311
Can you name some examples to back up your argument? To me he seems quite similar to Juunichi.

>>152321347
Juunichi was pretty bland too. In the game he didn't even have a face.

>>152320423
desu i'd rather see a character who is like that but who is actually a slut.

i feel like manga authors deliberately go as far as possible and stop just short of the girl actually being a slut because of their retarded fanbase.

it's boring and regardless of the context it just looks like a copout to sell figurines or other stupid shit like that.

>>152321531
t. cuck

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>>152321588
>make a character as slutty as possible
>she's actually a pristine virgin who is shy around boys
How do you present this without it looking like masturbatory wish fulfillment? It damages the believability of the story and it's pretty obvious that it's only done to please the otaku who spend thousands of dollars on Blu Rays and figures.

>>152321727
>How do you present this without it looking like masturbatory wish fulfillment?
Why would you want it not to look like masturbatory wish fulfilment?

>It damages the believability of the story
It damages the realism, but not the believability. That only happens when you're a normalfag who can't differentiate between real life and anime.

>>152321727
The virginity rate for all Japs between the age of 20 and 30 in Japan is something ridiculously high like 44%.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/

While there still is a touch of wish fulfilment, being a virgin is just more a cultural norm over there too for young people.

>>152321783
>Why would you want it not to look like masturbatory wish fulfilment?
Because I have no emotional attachment to the characters and I just want to watch a show. I don't buy anime. I don't buy figurines. I don't have a "waifu". For these reasons, this shit just looks like pathetic otaku pandering.

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>>152321727
Why would you post Galko?
Galko doesn't act slutty, the point of the show is people just assume she's slutty simply for how she looks.

>>152321871
This is not your kind of show then because it's made for the very purpose of pathetic otaku pandering. Frankly, the majority of anime is otaku pandering or fujoshi pandering these days. Maybe it's time for you to stop watching anime and find a different hobby.

>>152321902
Galko dresses slutty.

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>>152322039
No, she dresses fashionably.
She doesn't act slutty regardless

>>152321847
>cultural norm
the article says that it's due to economic reasons and obsession with anime/manga. that doesn't sound like cultural norms to me, especially since otaku are looked down on.

>>152322111
>that
>not slutty

>>152320423
>>she pretends to be a slut for keks but isn't
You can't be serious

>>152322276
She's a gyaru
She's fashionable.
That's the whole point, she LOOKS like a slut but isn't one.

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>>152320423
How can she be so perfect?

>>152320423
>but isn't
/a/non, about that..

>>152320423
I'm convinced that people here are tsundere for her. It would make no sense for Seirens to be as popular as it is here on /a/ unless people enjoyed something about her arc.

>>152322852
>Seiren popular
Mate...Would you call the days Yahari girls were worshiped like crazy a religion?

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>>152322852
Personally, I love her, but some people seem genuinely butthurt by her for some reason.

>>152320423
series?

>>152322920
Oregairu specifically appealed to the type of person that regularly visits /a/. It's an exceptional case.

>>152322920
Oregairu was popular during the first season, but the second season was significantly weaker. Seiren benefits from being a successor to Amagami and being fairly unique in what it offers. Ironically, the most bland and vanilla kind of romance isn't really that common as there is usually some drama or harem element added. The omnibus format isn't really that common either.

>>152323021
What you feel about the second season is subjective, but it was every fucking where. I didn´t even watch it, yet I got to see the whole Iroha or death legion, they even got some impressive GETS, it was just crazy popular on /a/. Quality or not. Seiren is an infant in comparison.

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>>152322951
Anon, you should be able to find out that it's called Seiren on your own. Also, you probably don't want to watch it. It's a show specifically designed to appeal to losers in their 20s and 30s who missed out on high school romance and would like to envision what it would have been like. Certainly you're not that kind of person so there's no point in watching. It's nothing but pandering garbage that shows exactly what these types of people like to see instead of providing a more inclusive experience that you could share with your friends, family, girlfriend, etc.

>>152323180
The popularity dropped during the second season. People were very hyped after the first one, which was pretty good, but it declined pretty soon. Iroha was arguably the only good thing about the second season.

Seiren is reasonably popular - it's not a "big" show that ends up getting spammed all over the front page, but it gathers enough attention to fill the threads even in-between episodes. Also, due to Amagami being still fairly popular, even if it turns out not as good it will still stick around way after it's done airing - unless they do something incredibly stupid like in Kimikiss of course and permanently piss of the fanbase (which is rather unlikely though - the author seems involved enough to prevent such stupid decisions).

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>>152323021
Yahari S2 had atleast 3 or 4 threads every day back then.
Too bad the author killed it

>>152323603
It did. It was the "big" show, but it couldn't live up to the hype.

>>152323377
>Normal threads for airing shows = Reasonably popular
How about we decide that after the show ends? For if we really want to dwell on it, I would say this show is fucking dead on the water. No place else other than /a/ wants to discuss it, and even then, is mostly just shitposting. Personally, after 2 episodes, is really hard to not lose interest, but that is just me. Just don´t fucking try to make this show more than it is.

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>>152323640
And ANOTHER was the nail in the coffin sadly.

>>152323640
Only big show that lived up to the hype was Code Geass. We have had good shows after, but none that were ever as big and ended on such an amazing note.

>>152323685
And the visual novel the thing that flat out killed it. Absolutely brilliant.

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>>152323713
Atleast we got long haired Iroha and Yui.

>>152323673
How long have you been here, because you're seriously lacking perspective? There have been shows which have a hard time even getting a single thread up despite currently airing. For Seiren there is always a thread up and it gets a good number of replies. This shouldn't come as a surprise because it's the successor to Amagami, a show that's still being discussed on a weekly basis or so despite having aired years ago. If anything you shouldn't try to make this show smaller than it is because it started with a big reputation bonus.

>>152323796
Looked like shit and everything about it should be burned and forgotten by everyone.

>>152320423
Slut

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>>152323829
Except for Iroha

>>152323685
>>152323713
>>152323796
>Biggest romance/harem/coming-of-age series during the time
>Both in west and nipland
>LN selling like hotcakes
>Fucking PR on trains and stadiums
>Stopped right at the retarded cliffhanger
>2 years of nothing other than fan-fic
>Drops the OVA
>Everyone wet their pants
>Nothing after
>Watari have worked on garbage QUALITY Code and trash Girlish Number and other dumb projects that earned him 1/100th in royalties compared to Yahari
What the fuck were Watari thinking?

>>152321531
>because of their retarded fanbase.

Why do you hate money?

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>>152323964
He got a boyfriend

>>152323796
But that's not a good thing, long hair looks awful on Yui.

>>152323812
Since D.Gray man actually was counted as a staple shounen show. Then Hallow came last year and had around 40 posts each episode.

A self-insert harem show that airs, filling a daily thread, this is normal.

>>152320423
MORE HARD PLAY OKAY?

>>152323956
That was shit as well, but Irohafags have low standards. But you're probably an Irohafag, so I don't know why I'm even bothering.

>>152324079
>Since D.Gray man actually was counted as a staple shounen show. Then Hallow came last year and had around 40 posts each episode.
I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

>A self-insert harem show that airs, filling a daily thread, this is normal.
First of all: Seiren is not a harem anime. Second, no, it's not. There have been plenty of harem anime that only filled their threads on the day of a new episode and the first two days after or so.

>Joke's on them, I was only pretending to be a slut!

>>152324093
Are people who don't like Tsuneki butthurt Yui/Yukinofags who project their butthurt onto this completely unrelated character just because she happens to be voiced by the same seiyuu?

>>152324221
>MC is popular with the girls
>Is not harem because he gets to fuck them one at a time
>Routes
>Popular MC
Not him, but Seiren is harem.

>>152323964
>trash Girlish Number
Wow, fuck you.
I'd rather GN than harem garbage that is Yahari

>>152324273
>Tsuneki

Is that the girl in OP? If so, then no. I don't watch this show. I just saw someone mention Oregairu and how ANOTHER killed it. Then I chimed in about my dislike for the VN. I don't know about the rest.

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>>152324401
I take the Zoku VN as the canon ending nowadays.
Honestly, fuck Watari.

>>152324395
You clearly have no idea what harem means. Amagami and Seiren don't follow a harem pattern but an omnibus pattern. The story resets after each route and at no point in the story does the MC accumulate a harem (i.e. multiple, competing love interests). The focus is always on romance between the MC and a singular girl.

Yes.
/a/ hates her because she's realistic.

>>152324451
... What? So 8man is a harem master, that's the canon ending?

>>152324525
Canon as in pick your favorite girl and be happy.

Isn't it that she has the potential to be a slut but the point of her arc is her salvation?

>>152324504
This isn't true.

I am the official representative of /a/ and I like her.

A fun girls is wasted on no-fun MC, a shame really.

>>152324504

What's the point of escapism then?

The author has to choose. He makes either a normalfag- or a otaku- oriented work. The first one has a much bigger potential market, but it has to compete with all the other normalfag trash, including everything made by Hollywood, undisputed king of normalfag degeneracy.

Trying to do both is recipe for disaster.

>>152324967
Their dynamic only works like that. A more pro-active girl needs a passive MC.

Why does Shouichi have such a shitty haircut? That's my main turn off for this show.

>>152325029
Why wouldn't it work with the MC who could talk back or play along?

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>>152324990
There are otaku with different tastes.

Some people didn't like Tsukasa either, and up to this day people don't know whether Asuka or Rei is better even though it's clearly Asuka.

Hikari hits all the right spots for me. I can see why some wouldn't like her, but I like her a lot.

>>152325072
Because that way you have something that appeals more to the shoujo/normalfag market.

>>152321847
To be fair, those statistics in the article are a little misleading when not analyzed a little more deeply. The proportion drops off considerably when you remove the 18-19 olds.

>>152325030
It's just a common cheap hairstyle for Japanese boys. He's just not a little faggot who cares about what hairstyle he has. Nothing wrong with that.

His mother probably chose that hairstyle for him.

>>152325151
When I said "why wouldn't it work", I meant why wouldn't it be more entertatining than what we have now.

>>152325072
Then it would be fucking Iroha and 8man. Then people might as well just rewatch Yahari.

>>152325072
>MC not beta bitch
That would require effort dumbass.

>>152325632
Why 8man?
They can just make fun MC that doesn't act like 8man.

>>152325561
Because it would deliver a different experience. The purpose of this show is wish-fulfilment. It is a story about the more timid and somewhat shy guy getting the popular, social, pro-active girl. If you made the guy suave and cool, then it wouldn't be wish-fulfilment any more but just a regular romance like you could find them aimed at the shoujo market.

>>152323987
Because I want to watch good writing and not someone milking the fetishes of socially retarded otaku.

>>152323964
Probably crumbled under the pressure. Fairly common when it gets bigger than the author ever expected

>>152325632
Hachiman isn't really that good at talking back to her either. He mostly gets dragged along and does whatever she says. He might seem more competent in the long run, but that's because we're dealing with a character that has been established throughout a long first season of harem-romance. If you picked just four episodes where he interacts with Iroha he'd be called a beta loser that can't even open his mouth.

>>152325815
Not to mention: during the second season Shouichi actually made some romantic progress with Hikari and within the next two episodes he'll win her over while Hachiman is still stuck in a never ending harem hell that will never get properly resolved.

>>152325713
Hard to believe. Pick one girl, and make a cliche ending if you are lazy, people would eat that up. Or pick the girl that came in late (Season 2 and a girl that mirror a real girl IRL), make her win to get a shitstorm, go down in history as the one with balls and burned books. Is not hard.

>>152325925
By "season" I meant to say "episode".

>>152320423

If she was just genuinely and unapologetically just nailing any dude she felt like nailing. THAT would be refreshing. As opposed to more "pure" shit.

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>>152326065
>THAT would be refreshing.
No, it would be horrid. If you want to see such degeneracy just read/watch shit aimed at the female market or western garbage.

>>152325701
Well, I don't really argue that it would have worked in this kind of series. Just saying that the interactions with the character like that would have been better with a more confident and balanced character and regretting the fact that she's wasted on this show cause we don't get girls like her very often.

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>>152326125
I don't think it necessarily would have been better. I think their dynamic works well enough. MC is pretty cute when getting startled by her.

>>152324990
>>152325123
Just look at Kimi no Na Wa, lots of normalfags just love that shit even if it is anime

>>152324990
>Trying to do both is recipe for disaster.
This is just wrong
There are plenty of successful shows that appeal to both audiences.

>>152324504
>a super hot girl with outgoing personality bullies a shy, meek, passive guy that has absolutely nothing interesting going for him and after a short period of time she falls for him because he acted like a "nice" guy

Yep, really feeling the realistic approach here.

>>152320423
Finally, a character who's literally me.

>>152320423
Only if you watch nothing but shit shows.

>>152320423
I don't like Tsuneki. But I can't deny that I want to literally fuck the shit out of her.

>>152323964
Girlish Number was actually fun and good so fuck off with your harem crap.

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>Thought for sure she would leave the very next scene
>Preview implies she doesn't
That's nice.

>>152330529
How would they fuck if she left? Baka.

>>152330529
If this was a VN chances are you'd have to set certain flags to make her stay.

>>152330529
It's stealth character development, compare her reaction to his concerns in the first minutes to this. Shouichi is already purifying her.

>People mad that an unrealistic wish fulfillment romance is actually an unrealistic wish fulfillment romance.
Do people not look into shows before they watch them? Do you just hit random on crunchyroll or some shit?

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>>152320423
>she pretends to be a slut for keks but isn't

I had my doubts about this until pic related.

She is wife material

>>152325706
wrong medium then

>>152321216
Junichi was pretty goofy most of the time, while this MC is wound way too tightly.

>>152325706
Why do you even watch anime then?

>>152333188
I agree, Juunichi was more of a slacker. Ume was also more fun than Nanasaki who seems a bit on the no-fun-allowed side. He's still okay though, maybe he'll improve in the other routes since arguably Hikari is intimidating him quite a bit. With a less aggressive girl he might have greater opportunity to show a more fun side of his rather than being a full-time teasing victim.

>>152320423
She has too much ass though

>>152334440
i can't decide on telling you that that isn't possible or just calling you a fag

>>152330529
This is wish fulfillment of course she is going to stay.

>>152332067
>crunchyroll
Yeah, I can see why they would be mad.

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>>152334440
Anon, you shouldn't be a fag today.

>>152332067
I literally have a CR account to do exactly this.

I can just go on there when I'm bored and click through random old shows that I missed until I find something worth watching.

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>>152320423
>pretends

>>152335655
That line goes too high

>>152323685
>ANOTHER, a world and timelin where Yui wins the Hikkibowl
> has a Yukino that is actually happy and smiling, not out of some pity, falseness or some sort of wicked feeling but true, simple, genuine happiness

Really makes my almonds turn on, you know?

>>152323796
> heroines with normally short hair grow it out for development instead of mutilating it

Is WW the anti-Nisio, heroic-wise?

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>>152320423
>pretending to be a slut
Now I have heard everything.

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>>152320423

Ai chan is the most refreshing character I've seen in at least the last 5 years, if not 10.

>an ara girl who is the lead of the show
>takes smugness to a whole new level
>a shortstack that isn't embarrassed or annoyed with her boobs and height
>openly flirts with and propositions sex from the guy she likes, but only that one guy
>her ecchi scenes actually develop her character

>>152337248
>openly flirts with and propositions sex from the guy she likes, but only that one guy
How is that refreshing?

>>152337408

It means she doesn't sleep around. She's loyal to one guy. I legitimately like Tawawa for its stories and not this idea that I'm gonna make Ai mai waifu.

>>152337468
I'm going to repeat my question.

How is that refreshing? Almost every single aggressive girl in anime acts like that.

>>152337705

And I'm going to point you back to my original post, which has multiple points. Each one is not independant of each other, despite you focusing on just one of them.

You're basically claiming Ai chan and a random Tsundere like Louise are on the same level because they both remained faithful to one guy. But clearly Louise doesn't have all the other attributes I named.

>>152337794
No, dude, he's right
The "aggressive sexual but actually pure girl" is extremely overdone

>>152337794
It just sticks out because the other things you listed are actually somewhat refreshing.

I just wanted to let you know that it wasn't a refreshing quality in case you were new or didn't know any better,

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>>152337886

But Ai isn't an "aggressive" girl. She's outgoing, but the total opposite of aggressive.

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>>152338006
>openly flirts with and propositions sex
>Not aggressive

>>152325123
Normalfags always choose Misato

>>152325123
>even though it's clearly Asuka.
When will this Asuka meme die? She's a bitch and a horrible human being. She deserved a painful death.

>>152334440
>Ireland

>>152338056

>Aggressive:
>ready or likely to attack or confront; characterized by or resulting from aggression.
>pursuing one's aims and interests forcefully, sometimes unduly so.

Ai chan does not attack Salaryman. Nor does she 'force' anything on him. She spends months hinting she likes him, getting to know his fetishes and then wears a cute costume to encourage sex from him. None of this is forceful or aggressive.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

>>152320453
women don't understand anything but the most basic humor. as it is not their language.

>>152338193
You really are new.

>>152338056

Flirting and asking for sex is now aggression? Are you an SJW?

>>152338261

I'm not new. You know why? Because I can tell the term 'new' is a deflection people use when their argument gets proven wrong.

>>152338138
Asuka > Rei, moot agreed don't bother him about it.

>>152338292
I called you new because you clearly don't know anything about how anime girls personalities are defined. The fact you googled the actual definition of "aggressive" as if it has any bearing on this conversation is proof of that.

That or you're stupid.

>>152338323
I blame moot for Asukafaggots turning into such insufferable shitposters. When I started posting here, /a/ was all about Rei.

But whether you like Rei or not is irrelevant. Asuka is vile. She's not just a bitch; she's a bad person. She deserved what she got.

>caring about the purity of a fictional character

>>152338342

You claimed an ara girl is aggressive. I pointed out why your point is wrong. All you have left is claiming I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm stupid instead of making counter points. This is textbook deflection.

>>152338433
Asuka is pure love and only fags are unable to realise this.

Are people who dislike Hikari Reifags by chance? It would explain a lot.

>>152338461
Lurk more

So where's this
>slut
posting coming from?

>>152338496

>I'm gonna get the last post in so I feel like I saved face

>>152338448
No one actually cares, it's just shitposting.

>>152338518
epic memes

>>152320423
>Shit character from a shit show
>Refreshing

howaboutno

>>152338518
Any girl that isn't a shy moeblob is a slut.

this MC is a fucking moron

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>>152339500

Just like the MC in Amagami?