Space Dandy sold 200 times more than Flip Flappers. I'm

>>152088378
should i like flip flappers if i really liked space dandy?

>>152088433
No, you should watch Flip Flappers and then judge on your own.

>>152088378
Same staff but not the same director.


Space Dandy was made by Shinichiro Watanabe.


Flip Flappers was made by a newcomer.


At the end it all comes down to the director's vision.

>>152088378
too much loli for the normies.

>>152088433
Apparently, the last three or so episodes of Flip Flappers started to look really bad because of some bad production schedule.
Wouldn't surprise me if the producing company Infinite messed up the schedule on purpose just like it did with Regalia to embezzle some of that chink money through creative accounting on behalf of the Anime Consortium.

>>152088378
Wait, Dandy sold 160k?

>>152088510
>Space Dandy was made by Shinichiro Watanabe
Space Dandy was made by Natsuem Shingo, with Watanabe as "chief director," which you may recognize as the same role Shinbo has on every show SHAFT makes.

>>152088501
i didnt fucking ask you

>>152088510
Every episode of SD was made by a different director that had almost complete autonomy, actually.
The director of FliFLa directed one of the best ones, but apparently directing an entire series was too much for him and he shat the bed with a myriad of terrible decisions.

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>>152088378
Because Flip Floppers wasn't directed by Shinichiro Watanabe aka the space cowboy himself.

>>152088604
See >>152088573

>>152088601
He directed all fo them, there were just several writers.

>>152088560
It sold 16k, OP either can't read or can't type.

>>152088378
I didn't know Flip Flappers was by the same people as Space Dandy, but when I was watching it I thought 'this is like Space Dandy, but with less likable main characters'.
I ended up dropping it half way through.

>>152088378
Space Dandy had an international audience. Toonami was broadcasting it.

Flip Flappers barely had any promotion.

>>152088573
No, see, it's only bad when Shinbo does it, whenever anyone else does it they deserve full credit as though they were the actual director.

>>152088684
If you're talking about SD, you're wrong.

Is Space Dandy actually good or is it like Samurai Champloo/Cowboy Bebop where the only interesting thing going on was it's "style"/soundtrack?

>>152088712
Only the animators and artist are the same.
The directors and writers are different. Op has no clue.

>>152088701
>It sold 16k
What? I remember it flopping hard.

>>152088788
Nice bait

>>152088788
The latter. I liked Champloo anyway, but I don't really love Space Dandy or Bebop

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>>152088766
>The director of FliFLa directed one of the best ones, but apparently directing an entire series
I think it's pretty clear what I was talking about.

>>152088701
16k? I thought Dandy flopped?

>>152088788
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>>152088788
Oh it's actually good. believe me. I've shed many manly tears to space dandy.
And the episodes/stories are amazing.
Back when it was new to me I would just sit there after and episode and shake my head and say "oh mannnnn" ina good way.

>>152088378
>Space Dandy sold 200 times more than Flip Flappers.

>Space Dandy sold 176k

Yuri on Ice BTFO

Pretty sure in space dandy almost every episode was done by a completely director and they just went crazy with it.

>>152088788
At best episodes are fantastic and completely carry themselves, at worst they are forgettable. It is definitely worth the watch.

Flip Flappers is a loli's attempt at making Space Dandy.

Flip Flappers flopped because it went nowhere and had a terrible ending. There was no substance to the show, thus no one cared.

>>152088835
Then I don't get what point he was trying to make.

>>152088840
>>152088820
Quick google pulls up this chart which is probably the one they're misreading. Dandy sold 1169

>>152088601
It's a shame because the raw talent was clearly there. Just made bad choices in advance or didn't know how to fit what the producer wanted into the show and it just turned out to be a big mess in the end

>>152088788
It's pretty good. They invited many good sci-fi novelists amd writers to the show.
Each episode has it's own unique charm.

>>152088840
>>152088701
>>152088820
>>152088869
>>152088378
>>152088560
http://www.someanithing.com/1045
>1,115 193 17% 922 83% Winter 10 Space Dandy

>1,115

>>152088914
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/24gisq/2014_tv_anime_sales_rankings_update_space_dandy/

forgot link

>>152088958
>reddit

>>152088947
I heard it did pretty well world wide, specially in the us.

Every episode had over 1million views on Toonami.

>>152088947
>>152088914
It's not like it was made for Japan in the first place.

>>152088947
Those are just the japanese sales.
Space Dandy wasn't even made for the japanese audience.

>>152088958
>reddit
Sasuga.

>>152089026
>>152089028
That has nothing to do with the fact that OP is retarded and wrong.

>tfw movie never

>>152089071
>Those are just the japanese sales.
That's what is generally meant by "sales," anon. Every time someone quotes sales numbers without qualification, they mean Japanese. Is Flip Flappers even for sale in English yet?

I miss Dandy

;_; where is my season 2


>I'm back baby!

;_;

>>152089149
Of course not. I doubt anybody even bought the license for a home video release for Flip Flappers.

>>152088378
Dandy had same sale range FF. People don't buy 'bizarre' anime. Specially not at time like this when otaku purchase power is all time low.

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>mfw Toonami announce Space Dandy movie

>>152088794
That makes sense. What I liked the most from the 4 Flip Flappers episodes I watched was the alien worlds. The desert tribe with masks stands out the most. It reminded me of Nier.

>OP blown the fuck out

>>152089179
Season 3. We had season 2.

>>152089194
I really don't know why studios even try to pander to the so-called sakuga-fans anyway.
They practically never buy shows.
SoL fags like cute girls show doing cute things in their everday life, action fags like action series, haremfags like shows with lots of cute girls or guys. But animation fans? They're just worthless garbage complaining about all kinds of anime. And then they never buy anything anyway.

>>152089179
There was a season 2.

I wish Bones followed through on making the movie, though. Imagining the crazy shit and animation they would come up with in a movie with a proper budget is too exciting.

Please don't make Space Dandy threads. You just remind me that we will never get a season 2 or a movie.

>>152089288
>I really don't know why studios even try to pander to the so-called sakuga-fans anyway.
Maybe they aren't pandering and they just like doing it? Crazy thought, I know. Whenever anyone does anything that someone might like, it has to be pandering.

>>152089295
Did they not have a proper budget for Dandy? Christ, they made a masterpiece on a crappy budget?

>>152089295
That will never really get a movie unless foreign companies start investing into it heavily.
And they only do that if a show becomes a mainstream success in their market.

>>152089295
>>152089315
Just imagine that Redline is a movie adaption of the Dandy space race episode.

>>152089356
Of course they did, they had Toonami bucks.

>>152089288
>hiring good animators equals pandering to sakuga fans

kek

>>152089350
No. Even anime companies make things in order to sell, and not for fun. Studio Bones just overestimated the amount of people willing to buy the show.

>>152089356
No, they had a good budget for a T.V series. Movies generally get more budget to pretty themselves up though.

>>152089190
Sentai Filmworks bought the home video rights before the first episode even aired, genius.

>>152089438
People do make things out of love, you cynic.

>>152089438
You are fucking crazy.

>>152089398
But Redline had a crappy story and unlikable characters.

>>152089438
If money was the only thing that drove animators, they wouldn't be making anime.

Why did Bones make that Sword of the Stranger movie? But no Dandy movie?

>>152089496
Pretty much. I had a hard time watching Redline with my friends because the characters are so lame. It would have been GOAT if Redline's cast had one tenth the charm that Dandy's did.

>>152089462
Why are you laughing? The money they pour into cartoons in the US make the Japanese look like they're working with spare change.
You can expect the new FLCL for AS to be made with loads of money as well.

>>152088788
Season 2 was mostly amazing and season 1 is good with some strong episodes.

>>152089529
Studios make anime for money.

>>152089600
Too bad we don't pay our animators in the US slave wages so they still look like ass compared to vietnamese sweatshop toons

I want Netflix to finance a Space Dandy movie

>>152089600
A) Toonami wasn't involved in the production
B) Toonami has no cash. They can't even afford to license most funi shows. I would not expect the budgets for its new shows to be particularly high

>>152089672
chinese ricepaper drawings

>>152089438
Again, Space Dandy was made for the western market.
If you were talking about Mob 100, you would have a point. Though it sold above average.

>>152088378
Space Dandy is a ________

>>152089668
Studios make ads for light novels and manga until they can afford to do their passion project. Disc sales are usually irrelevant.

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>>152089736
Dandy Guy... in space.

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>>152089736
--Dandy guy in Space.

>>152089688
Someone obviously paid for it to make it air there before than in Japan.

>>152089736
dandy senpai with passion for the booty.

Are there any shows that can fill the void left by Space Dandy out there? I feel like there's nothing remotely similar or as good

>>152089816
Happened the same with Concrete Revolutio season 2, which aired on Funimation and Daisuki before the TV broadcast in Japan.

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>>152089736
uchuu dandy

>>152089816
That was certainly a groundbreaking licensing deal, but it wasn't part of the production budget.

>>152089843
No

>>152089843
Phantom World and Flip Floppers tried but failed horribly.
Seems like episodic shows are harder to make than it seems.

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>>152089843
It's literally mentioned in the op.

Which episode did Bahi JD and Shinya Ohira work on? It was something with an alien fish right?

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This was the best episode

I was in awe the entire time

>>152088378
Space Dandy is a good example why western fans are worthless. It was made for them but they didn't buy it.

>Space Dandy and Flip Flappers flop
>Touken Ranbu and Utapri sell like hotcakes
I have to wonder what goes through the nips minds. If I were to meet one of these buyers in real life, I'd have quite a bit of questions regarding how they could spend their money on literall trash when inventive once in a decade shows are ignored. Do they not care about animation as an art form? Do they think only with their genitalia? Do they get fed up with formulaic blandness after a while? It's quite odd to me.

>>152089949
The western anime fans who buy are unilaterally neckbeards. They buy shounen and ecchi.

>>152089879
It clearly involves a considerable amount of money anyway.
No way in hell TWO new seasons of FLCL would have been ordered when only the US care of it, otherwise.

>>152089920
Ohira worked on Masaaki Yuasa's episode and I think Bahi animated a bunch of episodes. Use google

>>152089843
No, I've yet to see anything new that has the same charm, the designs, the art styles, the music of Dandy.

>>152089668
Pointless statement. Everyone does their job "for money," that says nothing about whether they make certain decisions for fun vs. out of a calculated attempt to make more money.

>>152089922
that episode was directed by Flip Flappers director.

>>152089949
Do you have figures for western BD sales?

>>152089949
>Buy

What could they have bought? Overpriced BDs on amazon? The only merch they pushed consisted of a couple pieces of garbage. I remember looking to buy something other than the BDs to support Bones/Dandy and there was nothing.

>>152089987
Why should women who want to see anime with cute guys they ship together (fujoshi) or lust after themselves (otome-fans) want to buy an anime with some space loser in his loser space ship having weird space loser adventures with his space loser cat pal and space loser robot?

Space losers.

I don't know why anyone would make anime for money

>>152090006
It still wouldn't matter, because none of it went towards the production of Space Dandy.

>>152089987
What I'm completely confused about is people who buy the blurays for an average show.
You would have to really like a show to buy the bluray but these average shows somehow get sales.

>>152088378
But Space Dandy is actually good.

>>152089987
>Batman v Superman and Arrival flop
>Deadpool and Rogue One sell like hotcakes
I have to wonder what goes through the moviegoers minds. If I were to meet one of these buyers in real life, I'd have quite a bit of questions regarding how they could spend their money on literall trash when inventive once in a decade shows are ignored. Do they not care about animation as an art form? Do they think only with their genitalia? Do they get fed up with formulaic blandness after a while? It's quite odd to me.

>>152089922
great episode.
"Gonna catch me a Munagi, baby!"

>>152090066
The Dropkicks episode was fujobait.

>>152090067
You'd do it because you're Sunrise.

>>152090059
There was NA version. Much cheaper.

>>152090067
Only if you're pandering to the landwhales

>>152090140
That doesn't count towards the sales these threads talk about, and it likely wouldn't go to the Japanese either, since it's licensed by Funimation.

>>152089899
Sorry, I wanted something as good, not flip floppers

>>152090066
Actually, the majority of japanese Space Dandy fans are fujoshi.

>>152090032
doesnt mean flip flappers even got close to that episode

it was a trainwreck from beginning to end

>>152089922
This one, the Scarlet date episode and the one wher Dandy is in court were my favourites.

>>152090067
KyoAni makes money. Has to make sufficient money, because they don't get to rely on being hired by production companies to make adaptations of their properties.

>>152090201
well memed my friend

>>152090076
It seems like we're running in circles.
SD and FLCL 2-3 are projects that exist exclusively because of deals with Toonami/Adult Swim.
And yet you insist that the money involved doesn't matter to those shows.

>>152090230
It's because you're ignoring what I'm saying. Toonami was not involved in the production of Space Dandy. It would have been made either way. Toonami just worked with Funimation to put together a new kind of licensing deal.

>>152089736
space guy in dandy.

>>152090177
Funimation wouldn't get all the money. More like 50/50.

>>152088378
I thought Space Dandy sold like shit?

Why are people confused about people putting a lot of effort into their work? They are artists you know.
You can make money and enjoy it sometimes.

>>152090306
I'll admit, I don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure Funimation's standard licensing deal is an upfront payment for full NA rights.

>>152090266
>it would have been made either way
How do you know that?
And what about FLCL?

>>152090188
Lol no. It was highly praised by sakugafag otaku just like FF.

>>152089843
Genius Party

>>152089987
>some good creative things sold worse than some bad generic things
God damn, this is truly unique and unprecedented.

>>152090353
FLCL is actually being financed by Toonami, the same as Samurai Jack. The same has never been said about Space Dandy. Feel free to prove me wrong.

>>152090306
No. They get all the money until their minimum guarantee has been fulfilled. Only then does Funimation have to start paying Bones a part of the profits, whatever the contract between them has been agreed.

If Funimation paid 200k for the right to sell blurays and dvd for example, then they keep the profits from the discs until they finally start making more than 200k.

Is there an anime with a better soundtrack than Space Dandy?

>>152088558
>anime consortium

Who's pushing this meme?

>>152090474
Kizu

>>152090418
I can't and I'm not interested in proving you wrong, but given the nature of the project I have my doubts about the assumption that "it would have been made either way".

>>152090496
It's aniplexfag's version of the Illuminati.

>>152090418
Space Dandy was funded by Bandai Visual, flying DOG, Bandai Namco Entertainment. Basically Bamco IP.

>>152090571
see>>152090627

No Toonami bucks

>>152088378
Flip Flappers looks like generic weeb garbage.

>>152088848
You did, dumbass.

>>152090682
I always question types like you who get triggered by cute girls so much as to assume a show with serious looking men on the cover are inherently more worthwhile. Pleiades was deeper than Rakugo but superficial consumers like you wouldn't know better.

>>152088558
Infinite aren't that kind of company though to my knowledge. They are more like the kind of company that gets an idea off of the ground and finds members for a production committee to get funding and produces some goods for the series they have done that for.

That said, Flip Flappers and Regalia seem to have had almost exactly the same production committee, Happinet, GAGA (Regalia was the first TV anime they have been on) being the major ones and then Lantis for music. So both were Bandai and GAGA mostly. It will be interesting to see if other productions involving GAGA have issues because Happinet and Lantis have been on plenty before that has been fine.

There have been indications that there was a lot meddling in Flip Flappers from the production side though. Iso implied that Oshiyama couldn't fulfil his potential due to this at an end of year event when asked about Flip Flappers and Oshiyama had mentioned in his interview recently about ideas that came from the producer side.

>>152090937
It's not about the girls, it's about the style.
The girls have the most generic anime eye and features.
And I'd think the same about space dandy if it had that style.

>>152090611
I think that guy takes it a bit too far. I mean there are definitely a lot of interconencted and dependent companies who have strong relationships with each other, but that just follows the general pattern of the anime industry being one that runs on having the right connections and knowing people. A lot of studios have a good relationship with Aniplex or Bandai when it comes to funding but that guy acts as if they literally control the industry as some sort of weird way of making shady money or something from what I gather rather than them being two of the biggest players in the industry so a lot of studios getting work form them.

>>152091115
I don't know what you think of as generic but actually a lot of people both Japanese and western were saying the character designs especially the eyes looked like they belong on 90s moe characters rather than modern day with some people even complaining they looked too big.

It all starts with this.
http://originalnews.nico/7162

Dandy was hyped from the very start, had two seasons + interesting and original ending.

FlipFlap didn't seem interesting at all from description, only one season + generic ending. It's an easy to miss gem.

Where are my plant world bros at?

>>152090474
Bebop

>>152091415
>Ending

The great thing about Dandy's ending was that easily set up to a third season, or even that movie.

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>>152090718
gotem

>>152091610
How so? After turning down the opportunity to become God, it doesn't seem like there's much left for Dandy to do.

>>152091115
Find me any other anime from the last five years whose characters looked like Flip Flappers.

>>152091719
Dandy almost literally started over from the beginning again after he turned down the god job. I don't remember if Meow was part of the crew yet in the final scene though.

>>152091842
Meow was there in the casino but i think dandy had to chase him again

>>152091842
Yeah, but Dandy already reached the ultimate climax. It would be weird to just start over again with ordinary Dandy adventures.

>>152091125
> I think that guy takes it a bit too far.
>a bit
Anon, do you realize how many fucking posts he's made over the last three years or so, saying almost the exact same ~ten things, using different combinations of the same filler phrases, in threads that have almost nothing to do with what he's saying? He doesn't just take it a bit too far, he runs consecutive marathons with it and never gets tired.

>>152091914
Well my reason behind why the ending was a perfect setup for new content is because they could easily handwave some excuse about how shit was slightly off in this universe which lead to different paths. Except for Adelie, it would need to have had her

>>152091937
I haven't come across him a great deal myself but I can see that being the case he seemed obsessive when I have talked to him almost like famicom or that guy that hates people shipping non-canon yuri pairings.

Not enough visibility.


Space Dandy benefits from having an unusually looking package that makes it stand out from the other products.


Flip Flappers looks like your average magical girls show.

And it didn't have enough marketing or big names to hype it up for more people to check it out.

It also didn't have enough waifus on the front cover.


Imagine Madoka if it wasn't made by shaft, if it didn't have those hidamari style designs, if it didn't have urubotcher's name and if it only featured 2 girls in the cover instead of 5 to choose from.
The story wasn't clear enough from the start and it wasn't made to look like any typical show from an established genre either.

Imagine something like Nanoha if it was hard to follow, didn't introduce everything from the start, and didn't start like a typical magical girl series.


There were just a lot of factors going against it.

>>152088433
Not necessarily.
I found it a lot worse.

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>>152088788
Not bait, I recently saw Cowboy Bebop and it was pretty boring. I tried to enjoy it as much as I could. I wanted to enjoy it, but I guess I expected more because of all the praise it gets.

>>152093711
I love Bebop and Champloo, but I think Dandy is by far Watanabe's best show

>>152093711
How did you not like Bebop?

>>152093410
I found it better. Space Dandy was ambitious and never faltered in the animation department like Flip Flappers did at the end, but the script in Space Dandy had way more misses than hits. So much time is wasted in each episode bothering with setup while Flip Flappers always hit you immediately with what the episodes were getting at. Shit man, I love the chameleonian episode but there's like 7 minutes dedicated to some fishing trip tangent.

>>152093020
Or maybe it just had boring, shallow and one note characters that didn't make you care for whatever was happening.
The lack of information about the story is a false problem too. Mahou shoujo withholding informations about the endgame while the protagonists chase some mcguffin isn't anything new.

>>152094034
The chamaleonian episode is one of the weakest of the series, and still Dandy and Meow fishing aimlessly for no real reason and QT becoming obsessed with fishing are funnier and better written than pretty much everything seen in FliFla.

>>152094034
I prefer how Space Dandy actually spends its entire episodes on establishing new adventures though.
If you didn't like an episode you could hope the next one would be better. In Flip Flapers there was no escaping the incredibly predictable development of the main characters' relationship that would tons of time and focus each episode.

>>152088378
i dropped this shit wehn it became clear the lol boobs so funny xd wasn't going to go away

>everyone including me forgot about Dandy one or two seasons after it ended

>>152095928
Not really, while it was airing the /co/ shitposting made it annoying to discuss, but now it's pretty much considered a modern classic.

>>152096076
lol

>>152096766
Thanks for the meaningful contribution to the discussion.

>>152097070
Equal for equal

>>152091176
>http://originalnews.nico/7162
I'll explain. Chink streaming sites give nip producers 1B yen to make 10 good anime. Instead of making 10 good anime, nips producers distributed the money to make 100 shit anime.

>>152097271
Diversification.

>>152097343
The don't complain about sales because all you get is mass produced shit.

>>152097429
I'm just saying its obvious the reason why it is done from a business point of view. If you put that investment into 10 anime and 9 are flops you've lost a lot and have hardly any chances. If you put it into 100 you have a lot more chance of getting a hit and as we have seen you can get a hit while making garbage in terms of production values.

>>152097524
Instead of raising more and better animation talent this mass production of shit with lowest budget they can get away with is pushing the limit of the industry by slowly killing all the animators.

>>152089736
uchijin hunter dearu

>>152097781
Yeah I am not saying its a good thing but from the perspective of a business they are doing what is best for their shareholders, they aren't interested in art. The thing I really don't get about this kind of complaint, they always say "production committee system is terrible the lead to low quality anime" but none of them mention the benefit of the fact that without the system studios would end up going bankrupt all the time when their productions they would be investing in for themselves instead flop like most anime do and this system affords them great protection from that they otherwise would not have.

>>152097781
If what you're interested in is raising animation talent, this is obviously the best way to go about doing it. A young director is going to have a much greater chance at directing in a pool of 100 possibilities than 10.

>>152097271
I'm ok with this.

Of those 10 shows there's a high chance many of them wouldn't have been my taste.

At least out of 100 shows there's a high chance many of them will be something I like.

Even if the overall quality is lower, I'd take it.

Original anime are already very rare.
Having 100 of them is like a miracle.

>>152097895
>no pay raise
>10x workload
This is not how you raise talent.

Is there a way to find out how much Dandy sold in the US?

Compare it to Bebop sales are some other anime popular in the west to gauge success.

>>152097954
It's not a real thing that has happened its just an example of what would happen if some chinese investor decided to do that.

>>152097975
I can see no reason why it wouldn't be. Experience is the best teacher. Probably sucks for the animators, but they certainly will be better for it.

>>152098014
It's be great for the directors too.

Flip flaps was fantastic because the director was so personally involved in the show's creation, and it was an anime original so he really got to make the show his own.

>>152098081
Reading the interview he gave, where he really goes into detail about the production process gave me a greater appreciation for it. You always want to believe that there's intention behind the imagery, and the sources he was listing as inspiration made me even more excited.

>>152098150
I love that interview, I wish the other one was translated too, and hopefully someone can also translate the interview he's rumored to deliver soon too.

It really is great to see that so much of the great stuff about a show is deliberate and seeing how it all comes together from its creator.

Even confirms dragon ball as one of the inspiration sources for some stuff, something I got the feel was the case but wouldn't have been able to call out for sure otherwise.

>>152097868
Production committees are an ok insurance mechanism. The problem here is the choice of expenditure strategy given increased capital. The production capacity of the industry is not increasing. A race to the bottom with production throughput is only gonna wear down the people and make everything shittier.

>>152098263
There's also the talk show event on Friday with Oshiyama so we might get some tweets and reports from that.

>>152098442
>>152098263
Someone needs to post his NewType interview scans

>>152098462
Yes.
This is very important.

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Just finished Flip Flappers, I enjoyed the first half more than the second but I enjoyed it a lot overall, and it's definitely one of the most passionate shows I've seen in a long time, really shame about the sales.

>>152098081
But this is not sustainable. The studios are given the least budget/time that allows them to finish it in the last minute and everyone is working to death. Just take FLFL for example, one AD worked 24 hours straight for ep 12. Oshiyama himself drew 250 cuts in one week for ep 13. How long is this gonna last? If the producers were not so cut-throat about budget FLFL may not have schedule issues and its latter half would be better.

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FF would have been better if they just focused on adventures in Pure Illusion. Rather than trying to lay some plot etc.

All the Instances of pure illusion felt really neat and well animated.

>>152098339
Yeah I fully agree I already see people involved in the industry saying there simply are not enough animators to go around and produce anime at an acceptable standard.

>>152098608
This is probably the most common opinion. I still think it was the best anime of the year, and probably my favorite since Gatchaman Crowds.

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>>152093020
>The story wasn't clear enough from the start

Yeah, I had a friend check it out and he dropped it at the first episode because it was too "random" and didn't explain everything from the get go.

This isn't the show's fault, the average consumer is just fucking awful and want a show to spill all the beans in the first 20 minutes.

>>152098649
You are right, but if funding wasn't so low we might not have even gotten flip flappers in the first place.

Higher budget means higher market is required to be profitable, which means they need to appeal to lower common denominators, so stuff can be less niche and less unique.

I'm not saying they should always run as intensely as flip flapper's creation.

A balance is probably the best.

Sometimes anime staff needs to be pushed to their limits, that's how a lot of the best shows have been made, because the staff went all out like if they were some anime MC.

They just need to balance that out with enough lower priority projects so they don't burn out too much.

Nobody gets into anime making seeking an easy life anyway, the ones that are there do it out of love and passion for it, giving them the chance to do their best, to have the freedom and the motivation to try their hardest on a personal work is part of what makes anime so special.

>>152088378
Zero promotion.

Tell me /a/, do you seriously think DVD/BD sales actually matter that much for a show to be considered a success or flop? You do actually know that most productions end up in the red, but can still be considered successes, because anime are nothing more than glorified advertisements these days?

>>152100266
Tell me anon, do you seriously think this hasn't been asked and answered in the thread?

>>152100266
I don't see any merchendise coming out for this either

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>>152100316
Then why don't those dear anons stop making threads assuming the success of a show by its mere sales numbers?
>>152100464
Fair enough, but art house projects are passion driven most of the time anyway. Way less promising shows get produced for every season, and nobody seems to give a shit.

>>152100620
Because we have no other way of objectively measuring success.

>>152100640
My personal indicator is how much fanart it generates on pixiv.

>>152100266
Not entirely. But if you are talking about Space Dandy and Flip Flappers which don't advertise anything, then yes.

FF is the best anime in 10 years

>>152101209
maybe my most loved but there certainly are some better ones considering the obvious flaws in it

>>152100813
Same.

Regardless of ratings or sales, if a show managed to get a ton of art, and still gets art years after it is over it means it reached a lot of people hard enough for them to be inspired to make art of it.


Right now I'm personally not sure what believe of Flip Flappers.

I think the show was fantastic overall and its only flaw was the story when it came to Mimi, but the personal story of the main characters is what mattered most and that was resolved well.

But there's not that much art of it.
It certainly has some good stuff but compared to what I'm used to see from many other shows it's not that much.