What do you guys think of the newest NOTGHIBLI movie? https

>>151945561
Arriety was fine and Marnie was great so I'll probably enjoy this.

>>151945677
And Howl was beautiful but with a crap story and Kiki is great and Ponyo is fun.

Everything Ghibli is mediocre at worse.

Why'd they have to make a new studio?

I mean it's technically Ghibli, why did Miyazaki not just find a successor?

>>151946832
Ghibli sort of IS Miyazaki despite having other directors.

>>151947000
Yea but the point is you don't just cancel the company, just find a successor.

>>151945561
I think it looks neat. Yonebayashi isn't great, but I'm glad at least someone's trying to carry the Ghibli legacy.

>>151947065
Miyazaki is a bitter old fuck, he'll take the company into the grave with him.
So in order to have a successor, they need to make a new company.

>>151945561
I wanna fuck Mary

>>151946832
Ghibli stopped producing films. Some Ghibli staff members wanted to continue making films, so they made a new studio for that purpose. It's not terribly complicated.

>>151945561
>Not CGI
I am hyped

Each Ghibli animator should take 2 disciples under his wing.

Then each form 2 companies and send 1 disciple to each.

Then we'd have 2 NOTGHIBLIS competing and that might be cool.

>>151945561
I actually like all Ghibli's works in different levels.

>>151945561
There are really a lot of these family friendly type anime films coming out now to try to fill the gap aren't there?

There is this one too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwosha9tmDs
From the guy that did GiTS:SAC although it looks more like something Hosoda would do that Ghibli.

>>151952232
Aww shiet this looks dope.

Did he do any kind of seasonal anime with the same mood? Cause I'd be real interested in seeing that.

>>151952440
The only other shows I can think of he has done are Moribito and Eden of the East.

Interestingly the film is being animated at a new Production I.G substudio called Signal MD where they animated everything entirely digitally. All the animation is hand drawn on tablets or whatever rather than on paper and scanned in like is the current industry norm.

http://eiga.com/movie/84763/video/
http://animeanime.jp/article/2016/12/29/31974.html

Production IG always have been a company to push forward the boundaries of technology in anime though.

>>151952722
Eden of the east looks cool.

Which do you prefer Moribito or Eden? Like is there a vast difference?

>>151953044
I haven't seen either. I think both are fairly well regarded though. I think Moribito is more of a fantasy medieval type thing probably has some decent fight animation and Eden of the East is some kind of thing about a terrorist plot set in the modern day I think.

>>151953044
Eden of the East is pretty decent give it a go.

RIP in piss SFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY7uSn8U2sY

Nice to see that Miyazaki's bitter ass couldn't kill his workers' passion.

>>151954961
I love Miyazaki memes. Epic simply epic.

>>151945561
> asks what she would do if she had powers
> next image is of a building in flames

bueno

>>151952232
Name?

>>151953044
Eden of the East is hot garbage

>>151945739
>And Howl was beautiful but with a crap story
You're confusing it with La Puta

>>151955228
Hirune-hime

>>151946832
>why did Miyazaki not just find a successor?
Miyazaki had a successor named Kondo (dir. Whisper of the Heart), but he died of cancer. The attempt to Shanghai Miyazaki's son Goro into directing was abortive.

Yonebayashi seems to be improving a bit with each movie, so I'm looking forward to this.

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>>151955653

Laputa gets a free pass since it's easily the best "boyish whimsical adventure movie" ever.

>>151952101

What level do you like Porco Rosso at?

>>151947715
Or maybe he's worried that his successor will fuck up Ghibli legacy? Isao is pretty much retired. Who is he going to leave the studio to?

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Gotta love those NOTGHIBLI movies

>>151956144

Whichever one is the most talented? He and Isao might be the only actual legends at the studio, but they've almost certainly got people that can make decent movies without them.

>>151947715
It's like Rakugo in real life. Miyazaki is like Kiku and is attempting to take his studio to the grave with him, but his apprentices won't let him.

>>151955653
Howl starts awesome and slowly the story takes over and it becomes a hot steaming pile of crap.

I understand the metaphors and shit but I think it could've been done a little better.

Laputa is great. Please explain what you don't like about it.

>>151956045

Not that dude, but Porco Rosso is the best Ghibli movie, and I can't believe I waited so long to watch it.

>>151956045
Not him, But Porco is top 10 percentile easy.

>>151956435
Howl has no story after about 1/3 of the movie.

In that regard it's a somewhat improvement over Spirited Away, which has no story after 5 minutes (but is better animated and more imaginative, which makes it the better film).

This is all in contrast to the best Ghibli works (Mononoke, Laputa, Nausicaa, Whisper, Porco, and a few others) which have actual stories, stakes/tension, characters that move forward and engage in the world around them, grow, and all that jazz.

>>151956695
Yes I agree. But some anon was claiming that Laputa was worse and I want to know why he thinks that.

>>151956305

Who's to say Miyazaki and Isao didn't encourage members of Ghibli to go out and create their own projects/ companies? Just as they blossomed off Toei and TMS and went on to create Ghibli, he could be encouraging others to do the same now.

>>151956758
opinions and all that, but it has to be shitposting. There is nothing that Howl has that isn't better done in Laputa. Even the Disney dub is better in Laputa.

>>151945561
This looks great but
>>151952232
This looks waaaay more entertaining.

>>151952232
Awww man 3/18 means that I won't get to see this subbed until like December. Fuck this shit.

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>>151952232
>those lips

>>151945561
why is the animation so choppy? How low budget is this?

>>151958186
You blind?

>>151952232
Whoa fuck that art direction, looks sterile as hell

>>151958424
I don't understand what you mean by this.

>>151952232
>that sizzling solder at 0:21

Doesn't happen like that in real life. Dropped/10

>>151958462
That's fine

>>151946832
The issue they ran into was their new productions didn't get anywhere without misakis name on them

>>151958424
The two art directors are Kaori Hino and Kiyoshi Samejima, they've both worked on Ghibli and Hosoda productions in the past. Then there is Yumiko Katayama in charge of colour design and they have all kinds of productions. Looks like they worked with Kenji Kamiyama a fair bit before.

>>151959033
Yeah there's a clear influence from Hosoda's films, at least in terms of character design. Which isn't technically bad, though I'm not a fan of them.

>>151958462
He means it doesn't have eyecancer filters like based ufotable, shaft, and kyani.

>>151959228
The character designs are apparently Satoko Morikawa who did the designs for for Eden of the East, Princess Arete, The Cat Returns. I think the kind of flatness in the colouring and simplistic forms is as much a result of it being a digital production as anything else although Hosoda's films do very much go for that look too people who animate digitally tend lean towards that kind of art style too.

>>151956435
Fuck Howl. I have no idea what made Miyazaki thing that the right way to adapt a book about a vain and cowardly Welsh wizard was to turn him into a sparkly bishounen birdman and turn the whole thing into out-of-nowhere antiwar morals.

>>151959604
I mean I like the Welsh Bishounen wizard but it's the anti war bullshit that shows up out of nowhere and really ruins the mood.

>>151945561
this looks really good

was miyazaki a meme?

>>151959710
What does meme even mean anymore?

>>151959807
in this context it means not a creative genius who is responsible for everything studio ghibli ever did

>>151960083
I mean it should be easy for the team who worked on so many movies to copy the style. I mean they've been doing this for like at least 10 years now right?

>>151960260
>copy the style
it's their style lol they're the animators

i'm starting to doubt that miyazaki actually did anything

>>151960341
I don't think you understand what a director and producer does exactly.

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>>151956977

Does the Miyazaki collection have that surround sound track with the removed extra dialogue coupled with the fully orchestrated score? I might just have to import the European BD for it otherwise.

>>151960341
Quit pretending you know what you're talking about

>>151959807

"Something I don't like."

>>151945561
>watching ghigly shit.

>>151946832
>why did Miyazaki not just find a successor?
Anno is too busy with Rebuild.

>>151955771

God, Goro's movie was such shit.

>>151960539
>/a/ constantly shits on ghibli
>gets upset when ghibli doesn't make new movies

every time

>>151960551
I liked earthsea though...

>>151960820
I liked the theme of Earthsea but the story is absolute crap.

>>151960394
>>151960433
>muh director
fuck off back to /tv/ with that shit

it looks like the same kind of film ghibli used to put out yet without miyazaki being involved

therefore miyazaki is obviously redundant

>>151955771
Wouldn't say he's necessarily a "successor" but god, Kondo was such a huge loss. To me, he's as talented a figure as Miyazaki and Takahata.

>>151960906
Holy shit you're dumb...

Just reread my previous posts to find out why.

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>>151960540
>merge ghibli with khara
Welcome to the real third impact.

>>151960852
Fair enough.

>>151960951
which ones are those, /tv/?

miyazaki is not an auteur, that much is obvious

>>151961036
It's not rocket science dude. It's easy for a team to shit something out when they fucking worked on similar movies for the last 20 years.

That doesn't mean that Miyazaki didn't have anything to do with this.

>>151961429
>It's easy for a team to shit something out when they fucking worked on similar movies for the last 20 years.
>similar movies
try the same movies because it looks exactly the same

my point is that this is the literal studio ghibli team except without miyazaki and the movies they are making are the same as what they used to make
>That doesn't mean that Miyazaki didn't have anything to do with this.
enlighten me on how miyazaki is involved in this

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>Nausicaa isn`t his best work

>>151961603
Miyazaki has so much good shit that it's impossible to just flat out declare a best.

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Yuasa will have the best family movie this year. Prepare yourself for the announcement.

>>151961770
I'm so fucking excited. There's so much Yuasa in the near future and he's at the top of his game, artistically.

>>151960341
>it's their style lol they're the animators
What are you even trying to say? The whole aesthetic of the film is determined by the director. If Miyazaki said make something that looks completely different thats what they would have been doing, just like Takahata did with Princess Kaguya.

Likewise if the director of this new thing says "make something that looks as much like the work we were doing under Miyazaki at Ghibli as possibe" thats what they will be doing.

Animators don't just decide to draw things however they want. They all work to a joint goal and aesthetic notion under the instruction of a director.

>>151961532
Well first of all we haven't seen this movie yet it could be a clusterfuck.

Second they're obviously drawing inspiration from past movies they've worked on with him: Kiki, Howl, Ponyo, Arrietty.

Their work and experience with said movies is what enables them to now make this new movie.

Without Miyazaki they could not have made this movie because they wouldn't have the several years of experience with this genre.

Apparently you're 6 so you haven't really had the time to understand what it means to have experience with something or this wouldn't be so hard to understand.

And I'm done replying to you because you've just been replying the same thing over and over
>But Miyazaki isn't working on this and it's great.
Even though we have just 30 seconds of footage.

>>151961532

>my point is that this is the literal studio ghibli team except without miyazaki and the movies they are making are the same as what they used to make

Hello time traveler, do us all a favor and kill yourself.

>>151961826
Yuasa's artistic peak was Hakkenden ep10, his most important contribution to anime.

>>151946832
Because Miyazaki is a cunt, and the director of Marnie saw Ghibli was doomed so jumped ship.

>>151961968
What's this Hakkenden thing? I've just googled it and it looks like a cockfest. Is it manly man on an adventure or is it some Yaoi shit?

>>151961968
I don't think so, but yeah that would likely be his most important work.

>>151961846
>What are you even trying to say? The whole aesthetic of the film is determined by the director.
i'm pretty sure that the ANIMATION is done by the ANIMATORS
> If Miyazaki said make something that looks completely different thats what they would have been doing, just like Takahata did with Princess Kaguya.
that is literally one film, the rest of them are done in the same style as this one
>Likewise if the director of this new thing says "make something that looks as much like the work we were doing under Miyazaki at Ghibli as possibe" thats what they will be doing.
this is utterly meaningless
>make this anime that we're making now look like this anime that we made before
is there anything else to anime? i mean they have a ghibli director they have ghibli animators lol
>Animators don't just decide to draw things however they want. They all work to a joint goal and aesthetic notion under the instruction of a director.
this slavish worshipping of directors could have come from /tv/
>>151961906
>Second they're obviously drawing inspiration from past movies they've worked on with him: Kiki, Howl, Ponyo, Arrietty.
they are using the house style
>Without Miyazaki they could not have made this movie because they wouldn't have the several years of experience with this genre.
that's a pretty abstract form of involvement

if you were an adult you would understand that when you say someone is involved in something you mean did they directly contribute to this project
>And I'm done replying to you because you've just been replying the same thing over and over
i'm repeating the same thing because i'm right
>>151961961
neck yourself

>>151962292
You're wrong.

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>>151962292
>this entire post

>>151962347
>>151962365
>there is more to anime than animators, artstyle and directors
lol

>>151956435
Howl is a pretty classical fairy-tale. I used to dislike it but once you accept you for what it is, it's pretty enjoyable.

>>151956695
>implying Chihiro doesn't move forward and grows

>>151962482
I enjoy Howl but if I'm asked to be objective I have to say that the story is a piece of shit. But the artstyle and animation are very amusing.

>>151962589
What's "objective" about calling the story of Howl a piece of shit? I thought it was a pretty good coming of age story that at times aimes for larger themes.

>>151962292
Yeah you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

>>151962192
Yeah probably not. It is something more of his fans should see though.

>>151962151
It's an OVA series with an episode (10) with Shinya Ohira directing and Yuasa as animation director and plenty of other notable animators working on it like Shinji Hashimoto, Satoru Utsunomiya, Takashi Nakamura and Osamu Tanabe. Started in 1990, there are multiple series by the same name so you are probably looking at the wrong one.
https://bakabt.me/details.php?id=149133

>>151962826
>Yeah you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
enlighten me

>>151945561
Looks interesting, I'll keep an eye out for it.

Absolute favorites:
Mononoke
Porco Rosso
Whisper
Nausica
Pom Poko

Love them too:
Laputa
Spirited away
Totoro
Kiki
The cat returns

Good:
Wind rises
Ponyo
Arriety
Howl's

Didn't care for that christmas cake:
Only yesterday

I didn't ask for this nor did I enjoy it:
Earthsea
Grave

There's more but these are the ones I've seen.

>>151962292
>implying Miyazaki wasn't also an animator on all of his works

>>151962826
Oh alright. That wasn't what I got from google.

>>151962826
I agree. Yuasa's a brilliant guy, and I wish more of his fans would check him out as an animator and not just his directorial work. His work on Crayon Shin-chan is fantastic as well.

>>151963039
Fuck off

>>151963070
and i'd say they've filled in for him pretty well

>>151963119
Wew dude this is my thread I can do whatever I want.

>>151962589
Howl's story is shit in the same way the story in stuff like Rapunzel is shit. Point is, the story is not supposed to be realistic, "objectively good" or "deep" in the first place. It attempts to tell a "magical" story and send a message that's very easy to understand to the point of being kitschy. In that regard it's a much better "modern fairy tale" than crap like Snow White and the Huntsman. The latter only uses superficial aspects to tell an edgy, "modern" story while Howl is a "true" fairy tale in spirit.

>>151961740
its spirited away thou

>>151963087
I think most people have seen most of the work he has been involved with unknowingly. I just looked up his work and was surprised by how many I had already seen including old shit like chibi maruko-chan. Gonna check out Vampiyan Kids now though, it's the one I had missed.

>>151963173
I may have missed something but why exactly did Howl turn Marie into an old woman?

/ what turned Marie into an old woman?

>>151963121
And I wouldn't say you're wrong, but it is still absolutely in the style he pioneered. And I hope this movie is good and does well so they can continue to expand and take their creations to places beyond what the old coot ever would or could have.

>>151963342
>why exactly did Howl turn Marie into an old woman?
Im guessing you meant Sophie. And he didn't, the witch of the waste did. I think you might need a rewatch.

>>151963087
>Shin-Chan
That reminds me film 23 was posted subtitle on nyaa a few days ago. Might aswell give it a try.

>>151963535
Yea I might wanna rewatch that. BTW I'm not the anon you were answering, I just wanted to ask that.

>>151963121

>filled in for him

In what way? Story-wise and putting a certain sense of magic in his movies and animation? Having the same style of art? What do you mean by filling in for Miyazaki?

>>151963549
Different director but I hope it's as good as Robot Dad. 24 had Takahashi though, and Buriburi said he'd get around to subbing it eventually. That one I'm really looking forward to.

>>151963364
>And I wouldn't say you're wrong, but it is still absolutely in the style he pioneered.
fine, he has an indirect influence on this i'm not denying that
>>151963696
>What do you mean by filling in for Miyazaki?
because this trailer looks like standard ghibli with no changes

>Story-wise and putting a certain sense of magic in his movies and animation?
i have never fallen for the ghibli magic meme

ghibli is good because the animation is good
>Having the same style of art?
so you admit it's the same animation now?

inb4 people say i don't know what i'm talking about because i don't know the backstory of faceless nip animator #7532

>>151956300
That one's probably my favorite.

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>>151963651
Thats fine, I wasn't the guy you asked either.

>>151963940
>rotoscoped
this made my eyes bleed

>>151963881

Don't avoid the question, stop projecting, and get some perspective, since all you are seeing now is the insides of your own digestive system.

>>151964154
i didn't avoid it, i just formatted it poorly

>What do you mean by filling in for Miyazaki?
because this trailer looks like standard ghibli with no changes

also i said inb4 people say i don't know what i'm talking about because i don't know the backstory of faceless nip animator #7532 so don't get fresh with me bitch

>>151962292
Is it really so difficult to understand?

Obviously, the actual animation is done by the animators. But the style they're using is Miyazakis style since he drew the storyboards for the early movies and therefore established the "classical" Studio Ghibli style.

But art style is just that, a style. It's superficial. Just because the style has become synonymous with Ghibli doesn't mean that Hayao has become obsolete.

>>151949736

They stopped producing films because Miyazaki "retired" again. But now Miyazaki is making a film about a caterpillar that will come out in 2019. So why wouldn't Ghibli embrace the new Yonebayashi film?

>>151953044
Go watch moribito, seriously it's great
Eden is shit. It looks cool but it's not

>>151964834
I downloaded Moribito, I'll watch it.

>>151964715
>But the style they're using is Miyazakis style since he drew the storyboards for the early movies and therefore established the "classical" Studio Ghibli style.
potato potato

you can't hear these words but i'm saying potayto potatto, it's obvious that miyazaki is not necessary for studio ghibli films. besides, i'd argue that at this point it's as much these vets styles as it is miyazaki's since they've been using it for so long

you might be able to correct me, but i think that these animators have been using the style for a long time, have they not? i don't know them
>But art style is just that, a style. It's superficial. Just because the style has become synonymous with Ghibli doesn't mean that Hayao has become obsolete.
it does mean if other people can do it perfectly it does mean that miyazaki is redundant but i don't think that's the point you're making
>It's superficial.
what else is there to anime other than art style (studio ghibli house style), animators (ex ghibli animators) and directors (the director is a ghibli director)?

>>151964866
You will not regret it

>>151953044
eden of the east is delgo meets mirai nikki

>>151965257
Good thing I didn't download it then. Yandere a shit.

>>151960540
>Anno is too busy with Rebuild.

you mean Rehashed ?

>>151965022
Yes, the style has been used by animators for a long time and yes, what originally was Miyazaki's personal drawing style has become the trademark Ghibli style.

However, art style is not all. If you made a gritty, dystopian, nationalistic war movie and drew/animated in in Ghibli style, it would not be "true" Ghibli since it's missing central themes that were also originally established by Hayao (anti-war, environmental stuff etc.).

Of course, if you take the art style and the typical themes and combine them, you can create a very "Ghibli" movie even without Miyazaki. In that sense, you don't absolutely need Hayao anymore to create a film with a Ghibli feeling. But since pretty much everything that Ghibli is now originally came from Hayao, he and his name are still very much "relevant", at least until he eventually dies some day.

>>151965777
>it would not be "true" Ghibli since it's missing central themes that were also originally established by Hayao (anti-war, environmental stuff etc.).
this is the first i'm hearing of this, i don't remember environmental stuff in marnie
>Of course, if you take the art style and the typical themes and combine them, you can create a very "Ghibli" movie even without Miyazaki. In that sense, you don't absolutely need Hayao anymore to create a film with a Ghibli feeling.
so you agree with me
>But since pretty much everything that Ghibli is now originally came from Hayao, he and his name are still very much "relevant", at least until he eventually dies some day.
that's a very tortured and abstract definition of "relevant" (not a word i've used itt so far), and it still doesn't mean he did anything other than be the origin of ghibli which isn't really "doing" anything

it is very obvious that miyazaki is not necessary to make ghibli films anyway, and that's the point i've been making since
>>151960341

>>151962826
Okay, I just looked at episode 10 of Hakkenden and I don't see what's so influential about it. The art and animation looks heavily referenced from live-action footage but with the drawings made purposely ugly. Looks more like a one-off creative experiment.

>>151966044
What a dimwit you are.
>I've been repeating the same thing over and over for hours so I am right!
Nope just wilfully ignorant.

>>151966199
point out what you disagree with me on genius
>In that sense, you don't absolutely need Hayao anymore to create a film with a Ghibli feeling.
>it is very obvious that miyazaki is not necessary to make ghibli films anyway

>>151966044
>i don't remember environmental stuff in marnie

Not everything is in every film. Princess Mononoke, Nausicaa and a few other films have a very strong environmental theme.

>so you agree with me

I agree with you that Ghibli has become more than "just Miyazaki".

But saying Miyazaki didn't do anything is simply stupid. Look at the storyboards for Nausicaa, Mononoke, Totoro or Spirited Away. He drew everything those before the animators even started to do anything.

>>151966326
>Not everything is in every film.
so a ghibli film DOESN'T need to have ghibli themes? what was the ghibli theme in marnie?
>But saying Miyazaki didn't do anything is simply stupid. Look at the storyboards for Nausicaa, Mononoke, Totoro or Spirited Away.
i was being hyperbolic but obviously other people did storyboards at ghibli long before the studio closed

i just don't think he did anything important in a while and this new studio has more to do with ghibli than miyazaki does

>>151966195
It inspired a whole artistic movement and influenced a generation of animators.

>>151962826
is anyone seeding this

>>151966195
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/the_antique_shop

Give this a read through to understand its importance in the wider context. The actual article doesn't really talk about it that much as an episode but it does a good job of talking about the context and other similar work and differing approaches to realism in anime.

You see animators cite is as an inspiration quite a bit. Things like Gosenzosama and the Hakkenden around that time shaped animation to come. I remember reading an interview from fairly recently with Yoh Yoshinari where he said those kinds of works were the reason he got into animation.

>>151966504
His influence has diminished, yes. This was partly intentional since Miyazaki started looking for a successor (he first talked about wanting to retire after Mononoke!).

But as long as he lives, anything he does (especially if he creates a new "big" movie and he's doing that right now) will be relevant.

In the same vein, you could say "everybody could write a story like Harry Potter" but J.K. Rowling essentially defined what kind of story that is, so you can't talk about stories that are very much like Harry Potter without talking about her nowadays. She doesn't write new novels anymore, but even if someone else was to continue the original Harry Potter storyline, her eventually releasing a new novel set in the Harry Potter universe would still be a big deal. It's the same with Miyazaki.

>>151966195
>Interviewer: So much anime from the 80s and 90s focused on realism but your animation shows little trace of that. Were you deliberately reacting against that trend?

>Masaaki Yuasa: When I began, I wanted to experiment with tons of styles, and realism was one of the things I wanted to tinker with. But a lot of the realism of the time wasn’t quite what I had in mind, and I wanted to focus on a form of realism that matched my style. Let’s talk about Hakkenden. The director, Ohira-shi, is one of those masters capable of not only rendering beautifully realistic drawings, but also of imbuing animation with a sense of freedom. His style struck a chord with me, but I wasn’t skilled enough to actually pull it off, and it would’ve been deeply inefficient on my end to try. Along with Ohira, there were a number of animators who could draw at a far higher level than I could

It's odd how the interviewer here didn't think of Hakkenden.

>>151966836
It says 13 people are?

>>151967045
>But as long as he lives, anything he does (especially if he creates a new "big" movie and he's doing that right now) will be relevant.
fair enough
>In the same vein, you could say "everybody could write a story like Harry Potter"
the difference between film, especially animation, and "literature" is that film is a collaborative effort wheras jk rowling can write a book all by herself

i also don't think it's fair to diminish the work of the animators who DID WORK on ghibli films, so really in this scenario they have written harry potter

a better analogy would be if jk rowling had a team of ghostwriters she wrote harry potter with and that team set up shop to write a book about barry trotter
>>151967122
not my experience

pls don't link dead torrents

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>>151967327
Think you might be the problem to be honest. Torrent is fine.

>>151967410
that's probably because you're downloading the parts i'm seeding right now

i downloaded the first 6 episodes off nyaa

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>>151966044
>i don't remember environmental stuff in marnie
>marnie literally has to be taken out of the urban environment and sent to the rural lands to heal herself

>>151967535
There are 8 seeds right there.

>>151967598
>your client is not on the whitelist
t-thanks

>>151967783
That explains it. I almost downloaded the whole thing now.

>>151967327
>the difference between film, especially animation, and "literature" is that film is a collaborative effort wheras jk rowling can write a book all by herself

You're right, but especially the early films were heavily influenced by Miyazaki (Nausicaa was an adaption of his Manga) and even in later works, he always had a strong influence on movies he directed (Spirited Away, Ponyo, The Wind Rises). Saying that he basically wrote those movies all by himself would be too much, but not too far from the truth either.

Arietty, Poppy Hill, Marnie etc. are something else since they were directed by different people with the very intention of being a little different from typical Hayao stuff. It seems like the people that founded Studio Ponoc are attempting to continue this "other tradition", which would make them "worthy" successors in a sense. It'll be interesting to see what exactly Marie and the Witche's Flower is.

I think we have reached a conclusion: Miyazaki is sometimes overrated but that doesn't change the fact that he's a very big part of what studio Ghibli is and maybe what its successors will continue to be.

>>151967783
The entire OVA series itself isn't really that great by the way if you haven't seen it. It has so many talented animatiors and bits of great animation in it that I would say the whole lot is worth watching though.

>>151967948
Anyone could have said Miyazaki gets given too much credit to begin with, people try to give him fucking credit for Takahata's work sometimes too. At the very least this new film take a lot of influence from Miyazaki's works and style he developed at Ghibli though I would say. Exactly like Airetty, Marnie and so on did, when you watch them you can feel the difference quite clearly though. Even if superficially they appear similar.

>>151967541
>the rural lands
>>151967867
what client are you using

>>151968118
I find it especially amusing when people try to give Miyazaki credit for Takahata's work considering it was basically down to Takahata when he was a director at Toei that Miyazaki started getting better jobs.

>>151967948
> Miyazaki is sometimes overrated but that doesn't change the fact that he's a very big part of what studio Ghibli is and maybe what its successors will continue to be.
only in an abstract sense but w/e i'm sleepy now
>>151967984
>The entire OVA series itself isn't really that great by the way
you're not exactly selling me on it
>Anyone could have said Miyazaki gets given too much credit to begin with
and yet i am the only one who did

>>151968118
Well that's not hard to understand. All the big hits and early iconic movies (Nausicaa, Laputa, Totoro, Mononoke, Spirited Away) have been directed by Miyazaki and were very much "his" creations, so of course the average person will equate Ghibli with Miyazaki and give him too much credit.

i can't believe some fag just stormed into the thread claiming that miyazaki, the most hands-on director in the HISTORY OF FILM, "didn't contribute to his films lol"

/a/ ladies and gents

>>151968343
>the most hands-on director in the HISTORY OF FILM
lol name one thing this ANIMATOR put his hands on other than sheets of paper

>>151968469
Pencils.

>>151968339
>you're not exactly selling me on it
I'm not trying to. Watch it or don't. I doubt most people will find the experience enjoyable overall for the sake of the story. It's importance is more in anime craft. Your average anime watcher tends to think there is something wrong with it because of how much the character designs shift from episode to episode and even say it goes to shit for the episode that gets the most praise from animators.

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>>151955653
Fuck you, Laputa is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kR2dokH6-Y

>>151968569
i've had to install a new client to download it so w/e i'm invested now

>>151968469
In MANY cases, what you call "sheets of paper" were the essential plans for the buildings the construction workers (the animators) put together.

>>151968469
His underlings' faces

>>151968490
>>151968685
lol
>>151968683
it still doesn't make him hands on compared to people who actually filmed things with their HANDS

>>151968764
You can call attention to the workers all you want, it's not going to change the fact that the architect gets all the credit in the end. Unfair? Maybe, but there are also good reasons for that.

>>151968764
>filmed things with their hands

Hand prosthetics have come a long way.

>>151968764
miyazaki filmed things with his HANDS to use for reference, and then he drew the animation himself. not only that, 90% of the animation drawn by other people he went and corrected it frame by frame, sometimes redrawing it entirely. he was also involved in photography, color, finishing, he wrote his scripts and he drew the entire film in the form of a storyboard (since you are totally ignorant, in japanese animation the storyboard is a technical document that details every single shot of the entire film, the editing, dialogue placement, mise-en-scene, basically everything), he drew pretty much all layouts (if not simply using the storyboard as a layout since he generally drew it detailed, like in wind rises)

>>151961968
Looks like a slightly more realistic Kemonozume. Pretty cool.

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>>151968806
it still doesn't make him hands on
>>151968819
pic related
>>151968843
>then he drew the animation himself. not only that, 90% of the animation drawn by other people he went and corrected it frame by frame, sometimes redrawing it entirely
>90%
>corrected
sounds fuzzy to me
>since you are totally ignorant, in japanese animation the storyboard is a technical document that details every single shot of the entire film, the editing, dialogue placement, mise-en-scene, basically everything
i know what a storyboard is

the point is that none of it was REAL, this is what you anime nerds don't understand HANDS need to be REAL

>>151969010
>HANDS need to be REAL
what the fuck are you talking about

using your hands to draw animation is thousands, no, millions of times more work and merit than filming crap using a camera (i.e not actually creating anything). live-action filmmakers are literal NEETS compared to animation filmmakers. don't make me laugh you fucking retard

>>151969010
>implying the paper the director detailed every shot of the movies on isn't real

I'm out.

>>151969120
>>151969172
w/e it was fun arguing with you anime nerds, peace out i need to sleep

>>151969184
glad you could admit your defeat at least

>>151969010
>HANDS need to be REAL
How can Miyazaki's movies be real if his hands aren't real

>>151968989
There isn't really all that much quite like it.
Ninku 41 is kind of similar with Akiyuki Shinbo as episode director and Masayuki Yoshihara (Director of Uchouten Kazoku) as animation director/storyboarder, had Tetsuya Nishio, Hidetsugu Ito among others animating on it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-XMHGz-5es
I don't think Ninku has actually been subbed that far though.

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>>151945561
>Only one character is shown
what a shitty trailer

>>151970576
>judging trailers based on number of characters

>>151964087
>rotoscoped
This is bait right?

>>151945561
Looks ok and nothing new or amazing.

>>151973513

Most Ghibli films aren't new or amazing, in my opinion. Not saying they're anywhere near shitty or anything, just that they're sort of "safe."

>>151955771
Kondo didn't die of cancer, he died of issues caused by being over worked, Miyazaki felt responsible and that is why he retired in 1998.

>>151960540
Is this still happening?