How do we fix KyoAni and their shameless use of filtered photographs

>>151854111
Don't you mean traced photographs as backgrounds?

We've been having this thread too often. You have to let there be some downtime between them or people start to catch on and don't reply as easily.

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P.A. Works has the best backgrounds.

Not counting Pablo.

>>151854422
I doubt that was PA Flops.

>>151854111
wait, don't you mean shaft?


oh wait, this is one of those bait threads they told me about, isn't it?

Backgrounds are made by other studios.

>>151854111
How do we fix /a/ and their shameless console war mentality from /v/?

>>151854474
KyoAni also makes their own backgrounds, they still outsource to a couple other studios here and there but based on the credits KyoAni makes the bulk of them.

>>151854490
The weird part is that neither of these studios are as relevant as they used to be. The argument is now pointless, but people keep it going just because they're autistic and love to argue for no reason.

it's artistic, you don't get it, it's all about the emotional impact and the atmosphere

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>>151854422
They do.
I can't wait for Uchouten Kazoku 2.

>>151854111

Stop making stupid shitposting threads.

>>151854840
You might want to thank Bamboo for those backgrounds, not PA.

http://bamboo-inc.com/gallery/index.html

>>151854422
Wit Studio you fuck

>>151854111
Shaft are lazy shits but those KyoAni examples are way too busy.

>>151854111
What does he mean by this?
Looking at the image, SHAFT background is a black white photograph?
Isn't SHAFT worse than kyoani?

>>151854440
What's it like to be this deep into the denial game?

I wonder what the difference between KyoAni's and Shinkai's backgrounds. Both use photographs and modify them but why do Shinkai's feel way more realistic? The lighting is pretty good in Kyoani's too, that's the first thing stunning in Shinkai's. Where do the difference lies?

Maybe the texture? Kyoani's feels way more anime from afar when Shinkai's could be easily mistaken for a photograph.

>>151854111
Apart from that, Kyoani makes a practical use of photographs here which is not bad but kinda bland, it's only practical, to set a nice detailed setting. SHAFT'd wish for more but their manipulation is kinda always meh. Still creates an effect thought, but anyways there's rarely a goal, like behind the top one, no use of rendering it ugly like that.

>>151854474
KyoAni's big asset before their overall animation quality was their background art, they did for other studios before doing series on their own too.

>>151855138
You tell me, see >>151854922 and >>151854474

Studio Easter did the bulk of the background art for Nagi no Asukara and Glassip

Not many animation studios make their own backgrounds, KyoAni and SHAFT are exceptions.

Name a studio lazier than shaft

You can't

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>>151855468

6 years hand drawn

>>151855468
Actas.

Oh sorry, I forgot Shaft and KyoAni are the only two studios that exist.

>>151855468
Toei.

Checkmate.

>>151855520
Actas isn't lazy. Actas is just incredibly incompetent.

>>151855532 has it right.

>>151855333
>You tell me
Kazuki Higashiji was the background designer of NnA, OF COURSE he can't draw everything. Creating a complete show is team work, more than one guy works on it. That doesn't change the fact that these backgrounds come from PA Works.

>>151855783
No they weren't. Kazuki decides the mood and style and then outsources all backgrounds to those companies. PA Flops doesn't have the manpower or talent to make that kind of work.

>>151854422
Those are outsourced.

>PA doesn't actually treat their animators well
>they also don't do their own backgrounds

Seems like everything I've heard about them was a lie

>>151856438
Now that's progressive.

>>151856438
>They are also not progressive

/pol/ would be proud

>>151856438
Don't forget that their animation is stagnant and regressive.

>>151854111
You got it backwards, but oh wait, that was the point of the thread, now you got one more bump that points this out.

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>>151855502
I realise now that I've waited so long I can't bring myself to care anymore. What are the odds they touch it up for the BD

>>151856608

Those are the BDs

There are a few good scenes in both movies but overall it looks pretty mediocre.

>>151856741
>Those are the BDs
A sentence that summarizes SHAFT well.

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>>151856608

>>151856854
>those giraffe necks
What is wrong with this studio for real?

>>151856854
There are several anons out there who claims this is a legitimate artstyle and praises SHAFT for their innovation when its just plain lazy.

Kill me know.

>>151856854
Do guys really blush like that when you touch their abs?

>>151856956
It's both, that's the point. They made corner-cutting stylish.

>>151857021
It's not stylish 10 years later

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>>151856854
>when you wake up an realize Kizu was shit
I waited so long.

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>>151856741
>Those are the BDs

>>151854111
> Blames Kyoani for using filtered photographies
> Post two Shaft frames with nothing but a lazy photographie with a color filter.

You're shooting your own foots, at least Kyoani redraws.

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>>151856854
Did no one think to put a leash on Shinbo?

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>>151857554

>>151856854
I was planning on giving this a shot after the abomination that was Kizu 1 but I don't think I want to anymore.

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The backgrounds in PW 6 were neat. I guess some people at KyoAni were taking shrooms.

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>>151857934

I really wonder how a bunch of fucking incompetent dimwits like Actas could make a 10/10 masterpiece like the Garupan movie

>>151858106
A natural 20 has a 5% chance of occurring.

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>>151858106
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=16864

Background art done 100% by other studios
Finishing, 2nd Key and in-between animation done 80% by other studios
Art direction done 80% by people from other studios
3D animation done by Graphinica

Key animation done by 90% freelancers
Storyboard done by freelancers
Character designs done by freelancer
Animation direction done by freelancers

I don't even know why they chose Actas, they barely used them.

>>151858287
>I don't even know why they chose Actas,
Because Japan values loyalty.

>>151856854
>I waited years for this.
JUST

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No comfier studio.

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>>151855333
>Studio Easter
They have the French Touch.
http://www.studioeaster.com/gallery/index.html

>>151855468
Kyoani. They haven't left their comfort zone in 10 years.

>>151861197
This is low quality and not worth the bump.

>>151861293
Comeback when they do something outside of their comfort zone, fag.

>>151861197
>2017 was 10 years ago
Really makes you think

>>151856854
Milking that cow with minimal effort.

>>151858287
That describes a lot of anime. The industry is populated mostly by freelancers

>>151854111
Kyoani's attachment to realism felt stifling in stuff like Hyouka and Eupho. The background art can be beautiful a lot of the time (K-On, certain scenes in other shows), but it doesn't work in every case and it can be jarring. I wanna say that hopefully they'll perfect the style soon, but it hasn't really gotten better in years.

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>>151861197
Nice buzzwords, I'll try to use them more often.

>>151863633
Keion and Hyouka had a perfect balance. Now Eupho I didn't really like.

>>151863785
There were a lot of moments in Hyouka that didn't work for me. Same as Eupho, a mix of beautiful, impressionist artwork with more muddled or clumsy looking stuff.

>>151863785
Koe no Katachi was great too.

>>151856854
This looks fine. Why are people reacting so poorly to it?

>>151864098
Probably because it looks like shit.

>>151864926
How though?

>>151863633
what do you think of maidragon?

>>151855542
Actas is just stupid. We shouldn't bully stupid people who don't have the balls to invest an already successful franchise.

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>>151865971
>We shouldn't bully stupid people
Where exactly do you think we are?

>>151865790
Backgrounds look fine, it's a little more cartoony a la Nichijou which is refreshing. Not really interested in the show though, sounds kinda awful.

https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/148242574/

This thread demonstrates KyoAni's modus operandi regarding background creation. Screenshots of Hibike are provided as well as photographs of the corresponding real life locations.

Obvious conclusion: KyoAni uses photographs as references, but very clearly does not filter or trace said photographs for the final products.

If you disagree with this conclusion (and by that I mean if you are trolling), please provide proof to back up your assertion.

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>>151866617
>mfw this BTFOs IRC

>>151866617
Anyone who thinks they filter photographs needs to get a brain scan asap

Fun fact, a lot of studios that are outsourced strictly for backgrounds still use acrylic and watercolor instead of digital, even today.

If you're ever wondering how they get that effect that makes it look traditionally painted, that's because it is.

>>151856854
Top right pic is the first time i've thought hanekawa looked cute.

>>151866820
Nobody actually thinks they do. It's just IRC trolling.

>>151864098
It's just the current trend to hate everything Shaft does no matter what. In a few years I'm sure most talk of Kizu will be positive.

>decide to get some wallpapers from anime backgrounds
>finding good subed BDs is pain
>watching raw BDs is also pain

cant somebody else do this

>>151855052
its a bait and switch thread anon

>>151856854
why do people not complain about the brown filter they put on the entire movie?

>>151868224
Probably because MC is a vampire, so he can't be in any sunny day.

>>151868224
The lighting is a consequence of the entire story taking place between dusk to dawn, so it tends to be red or blue.

>>151856854

Damn I almost feel sorry for you SHAFTfags for having to deal with this poor effort

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>>151868622
oh yeah? realkly? you should not be sorry we loved the movie

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>>151855320
>why do Shinkai's feel way more realistic?
what the fuck, dude? Is "detailed and crisp" the only way people define realism now? Look at this image, ignore the text because that was just bait, but look at the pictures. The ones from Kimi no Na Wa might look much prettier to some people (subjective) than the ones from Koe no Katachi but nowhere in real life you you find landscapes like that. The colors are way overblown. The ones from KnK feel way more like something you could capture with a real camera. Yes, it might have a lot of digitals effects on top but they're effects that simulate real life.

>>151871111
I think I made this, I purposefully upped the chromatic aberration.

>>151866617
We've known this since Hyouka, since Chitanda's house is based off a real one but some things were changed.

>>151871329
I was wondering why there was an eye-searing amount. Well memed.

>>151871329
You might've. I just switched the text to show how much of a non-argument it was.

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>>151870282
>I loved eating shit
good for you anon, I still feel sorry though

>>151871415
Go back to /v/.

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>>151871450
But I dont browser /v/

>shaft relies entirely on freelancers
>their shows and "movies" look like shit

So why don't they just hire better freelancers?

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>>151871552
Not entirely, they're not on the level of KyoAni but the key positions are usually filled by in-house staff. They're more like Trigger in that sense. And they don't get better freelancers maybe because they're cheap fucks.

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>>151871415
>i dont like it, must be shit

Is not like i expected an argument from a pleb anyways, so i'll just let you suck your own dick wile i enjoy my movie.

>>151871688
This webm gave me motion sickness

>>151854111
Kyoanus> powerpoint shaftshit.

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>>151854111
Stop using garbage aftereffects to ruin your backgrounds.

>>151854111
Both are garbage anyways.

>>151856985
london?

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>>151854111

Who has better background art and filters, Kyo Ani or Ufotable?

>>151874770
Well I would like Ufo more if they didn't just blatantly download cloud photos from shutterstock.

>>151874770
I'll get back to you when I see Violet Evergarden's Yurop backgrounds.

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>>151854111
Remember this movie? Remember how good it looked? It was also boring as shit

>>151863785
I'd agree with that. the filters were really abit over the top, that final concert scene in the first scene was just a mess.

>>151874770
>trying to ape Makoto Shinkai but with zero talent

>>151854111
Someone nuke Shaft already.

I literally want to strangle every pretentious shaftfag degenerate that supports this garbage studio. I hate everything about it. Their "art", their character designs, their directors, their shallow, otaku pandering, pretentious anime.

I'm watching 3-gatsu no Lion atm, and I can't stop cringing. Whoever worked on these character designs needs to be put next to a wall and shot dead. It's like Your Lie in April but with the staple ugly ass Shaft artstyle and even more melodramatic.

>>151871688
How does this even works Shaft

>>151854111
Kinoani is goat

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>>151876580
I bet you're one of those faggots who only watched Bake, or even worse, who parrots the memes that get thrown around on /a/ for no reason other than to get replies.

From an artistic point of view, SHAFT is absolutely fine, if you think there is anything pretentious about a show like fucking Hidamari or Maria Holic then you might be pretty dumb all things considered. Just because someone has a different take on direction and cutting doesn't mean they're "pretentious" you drooling retard.

The only proper otaku pandering show they have is Bake, and who the fuck can blame them when it's shitting money? Can I step in and say the same about the Studio who directed such masterpieces as Free!, who, if you remember, was milked to shit because it was pandering to the fujo market. You're willing to discard brilliant works like Paniponi and Negima because your small fucking brain couldn't figure out why they put tits in an adaptation of an already perverted book?

You should go back to whatever containment camp you managed to slither your way out of, the existence of people like you who have absolutely no opinion of their own and echo others constantly only serve as noise where actual discussion can be properly had. You're fucking worthless.

>>151880065
And ef for that matter, which is also a fucking masterpiece.

>>151875087

It's a Shinkai movie. What else did you expect? His movies are panning shots of beautiful wallpapers with relaxing music and some faglord and his girl very softly speaking.

>>151854422
>you will never watch NNA for the first time again
just do me in

>>151880065
>reddit literally believes in this

>>151880726
Yeah they do, cause all they do is they sit there in their fucking hugbox there and occasionally glance over a thread here and see an idiot like him running his shitter off at a studio he knows nothing about, then they propagate whatever they see fit in an endless series of regurgitation until eventually even /a/ starts to do it.

There is no reddit boogieman, nor MAL nor Gaia nor whatever the fuck you want to call it, it's the result of dumb people refusing to think for themselves. If you can give me one reasonable argument so as to prove me wrong when I say that if SHAFT is bad, Kyoani is bad for the same reasons, then I'll see myself out.

Go on, tell me how the tracing sweatshop they have there set up at Kyoani is somehow better than photoshoping a picture and using it as a background at SHAFT.

>>151881003
>redditard, tl;dr post and 0 substance
Adds up

>>151881003
This is sad.

>>151881083
>0 substance himself
>nothing to add

Is this what /a/ has turned into? I swear last year you people were more decent, has the new year eve hoarded in all the rejects?

>>151880065
>From an artistic point of view, SHAFT is absolutely fine
They're pretentious hacks, and before Shinbo era they were GONZO tier.

>The only proper otaku pandering show they have is Bake

Nigger what? Almost all of their shows are otaku pandering. You either haven't done your research or we have a different definition of "otaku pandering show".

>You should go back to whatever containment camp you managed to slither your way out of, the existence of people like you who have absolutely no opinion of their own and echo others constantly only serve as noise where actual discussion can be properly had. You're fucking worthless.

Step out of your safe space and face the truth, you idiot. People aren't shitting on SHAFT because of "memes" and "echo chambers", it's because SHAFT is legitimately shitty studio with legitimately shitty practices. They've been churning out the most shallow, lowbrow, cheap garbage since the studio was founded.

It's okay to have a favorite studio, but don't be a blind fanboy who will forgive and close his eyes to anything bad the sudio does.

>>151881176
>redditposter being this mad

>>151881003
>Go on, tell me how the tracing sweatshop they have there set up at Kyoani is somehow better than photoshoping a picture and using it as a background at SHAFT

One is an actual drawing, other is simply a photograph with a filter slapped on it

There nigger. Now go back to plebbit.

>>151881218
>Almost all of their shows are otaku pandering. You either haven't done your research or we have a different definition of "otaku pandering show".
To what degree do you even consider a show to be otaku pandering? Please educate me on this matter, SHAFT is neither my favorite show nor do I care about it as much as I care about Gainax or WIT. You speak of otaku pandering as if it were exclusive to them, there's the obvious offender when it comes to *monogatari and mekakushitty, but then I haven't seen studios not pandering ever, DEEN? Gainax? GoHands? Even KyoAni has been pandering almost on the same level with Amagi and Phantom World.
A proper otaku pandering piece of trash are things like Seikou no Qwaser or Kampfer.
I wouldn't exactly put monogatari on par with those but that's where the standard should be set, a suggestive tooth brushing scene is by no means any more offending than a show based around powering up from breast milk.

>Step out of your safe space and face the truth, you idiot. People aren't shitting on SHAFT because of "memes" and "echo chambers", it's because SHAFT is legitimately shitty studio with legitimately shitty practices.
Shitty practices? Fucking what nigger? Have you even seen their shows? Do you think any other studio would've been able to do the phone call scene in ef, or the train ride in SZS better? The wild animation that goes on in *monogatari after an obscene amount of stills angle shots?

>They've been churning out the most shallow, lowbrow, cheap garbage since the studio was founded.
>lowbrow/cheap/shallow
>SZS, ef
Right, that tells me enough to know that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Come back after you actually watch those shows.

>It's okay to have a favorite studio, but don't be a blind fanboy who will forgive and close his eyes to anything bad the sudio does.
Sasami-san, Mekakushitty, Nisekoi, all shit shows. Get off your memes.

>>151881832
>after an obscene amount of stills angle shots
are you praising Shaft for using obscene amounts of stills? seriously?

Also I laugh at your calling Sasami-san a shit show when it's the last thing shaft made with a bit of integrity and respect to the source.

>>151882275
Sasami-san was boring as fuck, while I can respect the effort they put into trying to make it decent, the source material simply didn't interest me as much as their other adaptations, respect and integrity to the source be damned.

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>>151854111
Why is using photographs bad? If I hadn't seen this thread I would have never guessed they were photographs. And even though I know now, it doesn't change that they look great.

>>151882275
>are you praising Shaft for using obscene amounts of stills? seriously?
I treat that for comedic effect whenever I see it, it's a nice effect that's rarely done in actual cinematography today unfortunately, save for when it's a Takashi Miike film or a Beat Takeshi one. I don't want to say that stills are an inherently Japanese technique but fuck me if they don't execute it well.

That is, when it's seldom used, in Mekaku it was almost a joke.
We're obviously on different waves here and arguing with you is useless since you're already biased in favor of another studio or against SHAFT exclusively but it sincerely pains me to see that a studio that has contributed excellently to anime in the past decade is tossed aside in favor of shallow backgrounds which are really the only praise neo-Kyoani will ever get out of me.
Sure, they're nice to look at, but they are absolutely void of substance, none of their shows brought anything new to the table after Lucky Star save for Hyouka maybe. If you take out those photorealistic backgrounds and replace them with something more cartoony ala DEEN then you will absolutely be unable to make any difference between that show and a generic tosh made by another studio to avoid bankruptcy. They're a one trick pony with nothing else to them save for pomp and gaud, which you faggots take right up the crack the moment it seeps in your basements.

>reddit in charge of not being mad

>>151882815
Literally eating shit with a smile, this man.

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>>151856854
>>151855502
>"""People""" pay to see this

>>151876580
>>151881218
You got absolutely fucking mutilated. It's time to move on and try again another day.

>>151883951
Don't even bother, he'll call samefag.

>>151882445
It's a shitposting thread, silly goose.

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>>151882445
>I would have never guessed they were photographs

>>151854111
Studio Pablo has the best backgrounds, prove me wrong.

how come Shaft doesnt make anymore Madoka?

>>151882445
With Shaft, it works visually, but with Kyoani it can be kind of distracting.

>>151881218
Why do moe faggots pretend that Gonzo isn't a good studio? I'd honestly take Blue Submarine No. 6, Last Exile, Basilisk, Speed Grapher, Desert Punk, Welcome to the NHK, and Afro Samurai over ANY KyoAni show.

Fuck, the only show I'm watching this season is by Gonzo.

>>151885122
You've got that backwards

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These days I like White Fox, Dogakobo and Madhouse more than KyoAni. Probably because KyoAni animates mostly really boring stuff for a long time now.

I like shaft even less too.
They're good studios though.

>>151885145
Your weak bait is obvious when not even half of the shows this season have aired yet.

>>151885431
>hurr bait bait bait durr
Fuck off

>>151885332
>Dogakobo
Only makes moeshit

>White Fox
It's shit Reee Zero was shit, S;G was the only thing they made that wasn't shit

>Madhouse
What is this, 2003?

>>151885537
>Only makes moeshit
As opposed to kyoanus, which makes intelligent, thought provoking shows with deep, adult themes.
>It's shit Reee Zero was shit, S;G was the only thing they made that wasn't shit
Do you even like anime? Can you name a couple other shows by White Fox save for S;G? Fucking none without looking up on your MAL account I bet.

>What is this, 2003?
Not an argument.

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The famous KyoAni bean mouth.

>>151885649
infamous*

>>151885649
bean mouth is cute

>>151885332
Why did you delete your other post with Duterte on it? Are you from /int/? They love that fucker.

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>>151885672
Say that again to my face

Shaft is so lazy they just take pictures outside their studio and puts on a shitty filter on photoshop. How can they even hope to match the greatness that is Kyoani

>>151885537
>It's shit Reee Zero was shit, S;G was the only thing they made that wasn't shit
Katanagatari, and fuck you too, buddy.

>>151885649
I think it's cute.

>>151885722
INFAMOUS, faggot

>>151885537
All of those are wrong though.

>>151885706
I don't know what happened. I swear I selected the right picture too.

>>151885080
isn't there something in the works?

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Based KyoAni is the greatest studio of all time

>>151886174
I hope they do an original or something, alternatively I'd love to see zeromari adapted by them, but that's just wishful thinking.

>>151886178
K-on is gateway SoL anime of the worst kind.Especially with /v/ermin.

>>151886335
this but unironically

>>151885649
Disgusting

>>151885649
K^U

>>151886335
>/v/ermin
Really? KyoAni is the farthest from /v/ermin. SHAFT and Madhouse, and JC Staff, are all more /v/ermin tier than KyoAni.

>>151856956
I haven't seen whatever that is, but it does look unique and interesting.

>>151871688
Holy shit this made me mad. There are other parts of the very same episode where the CGI and rotating camera look amazing, yet they included this low effort bullshit.

>>151874770

This proves how KyoAni's CGI department is shit.

Not to mention the animation in Ufotable shows are also almost on par with KyoAni.

So overall. Ufotable >>>>>>>>>> KyoAni.

>>151887842
But that looks like shit

>>151887842
>Literal stock photos
>Good backgrounds

>>151871688
Who thinks this looks good?

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>>151855320
>but why do Shinkai's feel way more realistic?
Maybe because they literally filtered photographs?

>>151890186
So lazy and uninspired.

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Is anime drawn without photographic/video reference better than ones with?
When I watch the last episode of Ping Pong, I appreciate the skill put into the animation, but it still looks shittier than generic sakuga battle anime.

>>151890636
Anime that doesn't look like an epileptic with Parkinson's drew it with a pen stuck up their ass is better than anime that does.

>>151890636
I thought ping pong looked excellent. you're just a retard.

And why should backgrounds even be a point of contention? I bet people who complain of such things are same as those who complain that their burgers didn't get as much ketchup.

>>151871111

>The ones from Kimi no Na Wa might look much prettier to some people (subjective)

Not really subjective. It is a question of an educated esthetic (too bad the expression's been meme'd to death). But any actual artist can see Shinkai's backgrounds have much more artistic value than KyoAni's.You can see the mastery of the painter in it. Their brush strokes, use of values, color combination and depth.

the more realistic an artwork is the more you detach the artist from the artwork. That's why photography hasn't replaced traditional art and they are 2 very different things.

With that said, kyoani does series every season and Shinkai does a movie a decade, so it's really a matter of time+money, of which I'm sure Shinkai has more.

>>151891914
>liking ketchup

>>151893951
Fair enough. The peak of Shinkai's touch was Garden of Words, which he could only produce 40 mins of it while having similar time constraints as Kimi no Na Wa. His method surely is time and resources consuming, which is difficult to reproduce in TV section.

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>>151891914
Detail porn is overrated. The overall look is more important and can be achieved in numerous ways.

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>>151854926
yes

>>151885722
you mean to your bean mouth

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I really like the whole real-life picture with a filter over it thing. It's better when they try less to hide it, too. I don't care why they do it, if they're being cheap or pretentious or whatever. I think it looks nice and I wish I saw it more often.

Did the bean mouth come from Fujita or Yamada?

>>151890186
Not the point of my question. Most anime do that btw.

>>151890480
Do I have to remind you that they regularly create impossible backgrounds? They can do it and they're pretty inspired. Plus, most background artists trace photos. No rules, just tools. That's the coherent whole at the end that matters.

>>151896362
What?

>>151897146
The bean mouth at KyoAni, is it Fujita or Yamada's thing?

>>151897189
Why would it be theirs? They just direct, they don't draw. Probably some animator or designer.

>>151897224
Not him but they storyboard and most character quirks like those or the jazz hands most likely come from there

>>151897224
They do storyboards too.

try it

>>151854111
More importantly, How do we fix SHAFT and their shameless use of Abstract Expressionism as backgrounds?