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Is this the worst line in anime history?
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I think if you got yourself a dimension-crossing machine and went outside of history you wouldn't find anything worse.
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>>151285568
papika is naive and autistic so she doesn't know how to properly word out her feelings. next.
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>we let our character's autism get in the way of what should have been one of the high points of the romance
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>hating this
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1482419219309.webm
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>>151285568
Its one of those lines that guys with no relationship experience think sounds really poetic.
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>>151285568
Soemtimes I think it's just horrible subs fucking with us.
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>endless shitposting

>>151285737
Which makes complete sense for Papika.
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>>151285568
They're just baiting, right? They aren't actually gay, just friends?
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>>151285728
>Buu's eye going to an anchor icon and triggering a muscle power-up
Its nice to know that even anime creators appreciate some of the classics.
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>>151285568
Really feeling the writer change.
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>>151285715
it's part of papi's charm, can you blame her?
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I still don't know why Yayaka doesn't get more love than pedo-Papika
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>>151285568
Is it not at all possible that the love she feels just changed at some point? The time she spent with Cocona as a teenager is probably very important to her and maybe it was because of that time that her love, which was originally motherly and protective, shifted to a more romantic/sexual context. Mimi turned her into a baby and kept her trapped in dick prison, yet she still ended up by Cocona's side. They're destined to be together, romance or not, and that's all that matters.
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>>151285737
I have no relationship experience and even I know that sounds terrible.

>"I loved you even when you were a newborn!"

How? Infants haven't developed personality and it isn't even her baby. If she was trying to get across that she loves Cocona for Cocona (as oppose to just looking like Mimi) it didn't get the message across.
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Possibly
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>>151285879
>yayaka doesn't get more love

the nips cum everytime she's even mentioned
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>>151285774
I'm pretty sure I used a line like that in some horrific teen-angst love poetry. I learned the hard way that girls do not like shitty poetry sent to them anonymously. Its called "stalking" apparently.
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>>151285893
Papika said herself she's not Papikana anymore, she considers the Papika of past and present two different people
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>>151285568
The dialogue is easily the worst part of Flip Flappers.
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>>151285568
Does it matter? The show fucking sucks now.
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>here are two cute girls, they are going to go on fun adventures through a mystery fantasy land while slowly falling in love with each other
>oh, and one was friends with other's mom
>she's actually had countless adventures and grew up with that woman
>and she was the only one there when the woman gave birth to the other girl
>really she's been in love with the other girl since she was a fetus in her friend's belly
>no, we don't think its strange, why do you ask?
>one last thing, the girls were actually childhood friends all along, they just forgot
>you really find this hard to swallow? interesting, I guess this is more of a feeling anime than a thinking anime
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>>151285568
- Papika, do you love Cocona maternally, platonically or romantically?
- Yes!
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>>151285977
holy shit anon i'm sorry
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>>151285568
They really fucked up with FliFla indeed. The show went to shit really fast.
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>>151286044
Papika and Cocona have the most contrived relationship in recent anime history
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>>151286051
Would have been so hard to press F11?
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>>151286051
This is not how you take screenshots.
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>>151285568
Nope
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>>151286006
That's a good point, but it doesn't mean that the Papikana memories mean nothing to her. They're a part of her and Cocona's history at the very least due to their involvement with Mimi. Cocona deserves to know the truth about what happened to Papika and Papika can't give her the truth without accepting it herself.
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>>151285568
Worked in Usagi Drop
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>>151286044
To be absolutely honest, this shit doesn't bother me at all.
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>>151285728
This scene was almost as long as unnecessary.
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>151286170
Didn't Daikichi only meet her when she was like 6?
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>YuYu was created and raised to be a literal tool for an evil organization
>still has more free will and self actualization than Cocona

Why is Cocona such a shit?
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Why is Yayaka so much better than Papika?
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>>151285831
The satelite also looks like a can, and also the way it opens looks like it
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>>151286217
Hey, being in the middle of a snow-covered PI-infected town doesn't mean the girl shouldn't take her daily dose of sodium.
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>>151286051
I thought russian were suppose to be good with tech

btw fuck your country stop hacking games
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>>151286240
Not a pedophile

Has more character development

Doesn't say stupid things like OP pic related

Basically Kyouko
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>>151286240
She was best girl all along.
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>>151286240
>we won't get a Yayaka end
>instead Cocona will run off with the autistic pedo
Why is this show so shit?
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>>151286240
Budget Kyouko.
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>>151286232
Because Yuyu knew she was being used as a tool by an evil organization.

Cocona was living in complete ignorance about her surroundings.
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>>151286240
i will need to pics of all the panty shots from her fight fram by frame
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>>151286044
>>no, we don't think its strange, why do you ask?
The whole show is strange. What's wrong with one more strange revelation within a show in a medium that largely consists of strange material? I watch anime for weird shit.
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>>151286240
>>151286327
What the fuck. I'm also a Yayakafag now.
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>>151285568
Are you somehow more autistic then her? At first it was platonic, it only grew into real love after they started adventuring together, the line makes perfect sense. This "hurr durr she's actually an adult so it's pedo" meme is stupid too.
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It will never not be funny to me that Papika's throwing scenes always have so much build up but she can't throw for shit.
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>>151286240

Shit this episode nearly made me a yayakafag
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>>151285568
This is beyond pedo.
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>>151286240
I actually started out as a hard Papifag before Yayaka won me over with her coolness

I don't even like Papika anymore
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>>151286240
She improved a lot since she let her hair down.
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>>151286460
Didn't we all? And Papika being revealed as a pedophile didn't help
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>>151286107
>>151286119
>>151286281
Sorry, i rarely take screenshoots so i didn't paid attention.
I'm not exactly russian too.
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>>151286231
That makes it better right?
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>yfw M-U-S-C-L-E
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I'm just glad a shit anime like this flops. Justice does exist in this world.
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>>151286389
maybe i'm just a huge faggot but i thought it was a reference to goku's spirit bomb
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>the sound of being cucked
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>>151286051
Fucking newfag, fuck off and kill yourself retard.
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>>151286550
>satellite moves 2 inches in orbit
>immediately cuts to it being next to Bu-chan
A henshin sequence was really the last place I expected to find cut corners so I'm not really sure how I feel about it.
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>>151286565
I'm glad Papika stayed being a cute goofball even onto adulthood
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>>151286563
Yeah, you're just a huge faggot
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>>151286550
>not YFW M-U-S-C-L-E
one job, anon
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>>151286217
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fuck off back to >>>/v/ you little shit.

>>151286308
>that

>retarded

>way

>of

>replying

>also

>without

>punctuation

>>>/r/eddit
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>coco's only wish to her mom is to make papika a boy so she can fuck him

Only way this shit gets redeemed
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>>151285568
Maybe it's a mistranslation, right guys?
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>>151286669
Found the homo
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some more 2ch comments

>Pure Delinquent. (Yayaka)
>Finished Mimi in one punch. Maybe it is One Punch Man.
>Developments in the second half felt a bit rushed. New ass of NyuNyu.
>My CD came finally
>Why does NyuNyu even exist?
>Rough drawings in the PV, the schedule must be tight.
>Ultimate transformation reminded me of Saint Seiya.
>Honestly, everyone is doing their best so please buy the BD.
>Yayaka was using Resshu kokyu-ha (Yu Yu Hakusho attack).
>Yayaka transformed like everybody wanted.
>Looks like there will be another battle.
>It was a fun boss rush.
>So far only PapiCoco have any resolution, Salts efforts have come to naught.
>In the PV there is a cut of Mimi that looks like a lizard.
>This might be the first time I have seen a boss rush in anime.
>It's a TV series not a movie, the animation is good enough.
>Ganbatte Cocona, Papika, Yayaka and all.
>Mimi is somewhat like Lusamine from Pokemon Sun & Moon, both make the same mistake of thinking their children are their possessions.
>Yuyutoto together with NyuNyu, and Salt in ELPIS go into Pure Illusion?
>It was touching when Yuyu called Toto onii-chan.
>Reason Papika is a child unlikely to be explained.
>YayaPapi shared food once again.
>Did not notice that Bu-chans transformation was a parody of Pop-Eye (anchor and can).
>More and more I don't understand.
>Mecha was interesting. Hopefully they fix the animation on the BD.
>Yayaka became the heroine.
>Really love how they draw the eyes.
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>>151286682
I don't think there's gonna be any wishes anon.
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>>151285568
does anyone who knows moon help me word out what she actually says here, I am trying to figure out the odds of a mistranslation. I can parse out

"cocona ga ______ Daisuke Da _____"

Help me figure out what she is saying in moon. This might not be as bad as it seems.
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>>151286550
>>151286658


Were those arms actually real processed human muscle or what? Those arms looked pretty fleshy
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>>151286705
>Why does NyuNyu even exist?

I was wondering this too
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>>151286604
without a mother or father figure i feel like her and a lot of the other kids didn't/aren't really having the chance to "grow up" in that sense
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>>151286460
Same here; Papika's character development leaves much to be desired.
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>>151286705
>So far only PapiCoco have any resolution
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>>151286725
生まれる (うまれる)
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>Cockona
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>>151286705
>new ass of nyunyu
my nigga
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>>151286705
>This might be the first time I have seen a boss rush in anime.
fucking newfags
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>>151285568
It's only bad because of the age gap.
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I want to protect Good-Mimi's smile
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>>151286705
>Developments in the second half felt a bit rushed. New ass of NyuNyu.
Agreed 100%.
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>>151286797
COCONA!
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>>151286773
I'm still wondering how any of them came to be test subjects in the first place.
Were they born in captivity? Like the children of researchers offered up for the experiment?
Were they orphans recruited off the street?
Were they kidnapped?

Mimi and Papika just seem to kinda be there and neither of them really seem aware that there's anything wrong with their situation.
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>original show gets popular enough to have multiple threads during its airing day
>gets close to its ending
>most people start calling it shit because it didn't go as they expected
Literally every single time.
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>>151286797
>cockona
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>>151286826
You already failed, Salt
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These threads were better before yayafags, Reddit, and hetfags took over.
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>>151286597
They cut corners at several places this episode. Just wait for the BDs.
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how would you define this show to someone who doesn't know anything about it?
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>>151286797
In spite of recent events, you remain dutiful to your cause.

Keep up the good work, Cockonanon
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Looks alright?
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>>151286884
I also miss November.
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>>151286909

henshin a yuri of Evangelion
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>>151286872
He'll still have a chance next episode.
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>>151286917
Man Mimi was really evil towards Papika, that's a lot of days
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>>151286909
I wouldn't, I'd tell them it gets really shit during the last third and recommend them something else.
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>>151285568
Why did Cocona not give a shit about punching her mother into the fucking sky?
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>>151286864
needs some splattered mayo to complete the effect
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>>151286884
this
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>>151286920
Satan?
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>>151286962

because it was the bad Mimi
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>>151286956
>2 plates

Is she living with Salt now?
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>>151286920
Oh no, her stand is turning into dinosaurs
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>>151286795
>生まれる (うまれる)

Alright, what is the world following that world that sounds like it starts with "Da" but is before the Zutto? It sounds like it repeats the same word after Daisuke!

Well I guess it settles it either way though, she really did say born.
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>>151286851
To be fair, this time it was accompanied by a notable drop in animation quality indicative of scheduling problems. A lot of the problems people have been having with the presentation of 10, 11 and 12 are the result of the fact that it had to be recut in editing to avoid unfinished and unacceptable frames.

It stands out because the directing for the first 9 episodes was largely meticulous and the attention to detail was immense. That tight and holistic artistic vision becomes compromised when the production begins making editing choices not based on how best to show the audience what the director envisions, but simply what is actually ready and finished in time for tv airing.
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>>151286917
Last episode just might make CocoPapi cute again
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>>151286956
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>>151286917
It was probably the same 'gentle' Mimi side that helped Cocona the one who let Papika escape. Cocona was likely already outside Pure Illusion by then.
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>>151286917
You missed one frame.
The one that's just a closeup side-shot of two hands pressed together. It's supposed to lead off of bottom frame in your image
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I just torrented this, what am I in for?
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>>151286705
>>Did not notice that Bu-chans transformation was a parody of Pop-Eye (anchor and can).
Huh never spotted that either.

>Yayaka became the heroine.
She has been getting a lot of focus recently.
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>>151287041
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>>151287041
what the fuck is my waifu hidaka doing
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>>151286727
>tfw you are to intelligent to push PI snow train worms
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>>151286705
They sound like nice people.
I like them
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I'm still struggling to come to terms with the fact that Papika is like 30.
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>>151287035
から (kara) the translation is accurate anon, 生まれる means born.
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episode felt really short for some reason, and the ending was really abrupt

I hope Pure Audio is as good as theyve been building it up to be
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>>151286705
>This might be the first time I have seen a boss rush in anime.
Fucking newfags. He didn't even watch the anime about a sword collecting swords.
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>>151286917
This makes me actually excited for the last episode, if we end up getting more backstory and rounded-out development for papika that's all I could really ask for. Aside from a kissu end of course.
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>storyboard PV
>next episode is called Pure Audio
Did they run out of money? Is it really going to be pure audio?
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>>151287121
>was

that's the part you faggots keep leaving out which makes you confused, she was basically reborn now and is actually a kid
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>>151287204
>run out of money
Time not money.
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>>151286864
When the Cockona goes too far.
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I would be very grateful if you all were to post more Yayaka.
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>>151285715
I can't even tell if it's romantic anymore.
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>>151287085
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>>151286917
It looks like Papika de aged pretty far, almost back to being a toddler. Also, I think the top 4 images might be reversed. Look at her hair, its slowly growing out, and is full length when she meets Cocona.
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>>151287207
I think it might be bait because I can understand that just fine.
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>>151287204
It's not a good Evangelion rip-off unless the last episode is made of scribbles.
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>>151287204
The PV was obviously intended to be that way, idiot.
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This is, by far, the worst anime of the season. Where do I even start?

>zero character development
>animation turns to slop
>horrendous writing
>the story doesn't make a lick of sense at all, clearly was just a mess of ideas thrown together
>hates by the entire anime community in Japan and the west
>yuribait ending in complete het
>full of plot holes

I have no seen an anime this awful in years. How can any of you defend this? It's trash, all of it.
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>>151287068
Here is the one fixed for you
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>>151287295
Yeah, people should be watching a better anime like ___________
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>>151287285
Not to mention how much extra work it is to scan 120 storyboard panels and a few keyframes rather than show a few scenes of the next episode. It's not like they can't have nothing of the final episode done yet.
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>>151287149
yeah, I understood the translation was accurate as soon as you helped me realize she was saying Umareru. I have started self teaching myself moon, but I still find it difficult to parse out words, especially when spoken quickly. I kept hearing "umai" even though I new that made no sense.
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>>151287255
I don't know what to make of this shot. Is it showing that Papika is no longer in the world?
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>>151287255
She's searching for Papika right?
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>>151287371
Literally anything other than this. This is the worst anime I may have ever seen. Not even the fanservice is good.
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>>151287295
>zero character development
Except for the MC.
>animation turns to slop
Only some scenes of this last episode
>horrendous writing
>the story doesn't make a lick of sense at all, clearly was just a mess of ideas thrown together
Being full of fantasy is not the same as nonsense. So far everything has followed the series' internal logic.
>hates by the entire anime community in Japan and the west
That probes nothing
>yuribait ending in complete het
I don't remember Cocona, Yayaka or Papika being het. Not every character in the series needs to have the same sexuality.
>full of plot holes
Like?
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>>151286851
>>most people start calling it shit because it didn't go as they expected
Except that for some time it's going exactly like we expected (and feared).
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>>151287395
I can't listen for shit, just search born on jisho.org then listened back reading the kana.
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>>151286699
>Found the homo
>doesn't have an argument
>says just bullshit

Fuck off and kill yourself or go back to your place kid.
>>>/r/eddit
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>>151287447

god damn, you actually took the weak bait
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>>151287443
>Not even the fanservice is good.
The what?
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We all fap to 30 year old men fucking lolis and schoolgirls, why is it a problem when a 30 year old loli gets to fuck a legit loli?
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>>151287549
We're not real
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>tfw your dad will never be a crazy scientist experimenting on some 10/10 girl that he lets you fuck
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>>151286956
>world is being rebuilt
>cocona back home, not sure if she's alone or with parents, but Yayaka is over, they're eating cream boxes
>>151287085
>"I lost mai waifu yayaka"
>>151287041
>hidaka spouting nonsense about PI
>either giving her hope she can get Papika back, or some bullshit about Papika always being with her in spirit
>>151287255
>MITSUKETA or despair
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It took 3 or 4 threads since the stream, but finally these threads are back to being entertaining. Seems like some have calmed down.
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>>151287447
All apologetics, everyone has already refuted your post and has proven this is the worst trainwreck of the year. I can't name an anime with more plotholes.

>>151287549
It's platonic. There is no yuri at all in this show.
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>>151287593
Fuck you.
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>>151287239
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>>151285568
No
" People die when they are killed" is the worst line in anime history.
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>>151287601
I'm surprised by the low level of shitposting and the amount of genuine sadposts of this week.
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>>151287601
This episode literally buried this shit tier show for good. There isn't any redeeming quality to it.
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>>151287670
I was surprised by the high level of shitposting. Literally there was some spazz spamming "writer change" memes for hours after it aired.
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>>151287718
>There isn't any redeeming quality to it.
The early episodes are still pretty good.
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I fucking love boss rushes.
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Holy shit, i just marathonnd up till this most recent episodes with my friends, and this show is utter shit. I'm actually quite amazed at how they dropped the ball, it's like a roller coasters constantly falling down and crashing at rock bottom.

THe fuck even was this episode, ahahah I had to get hammered just to laugh at the sheer stupidity, and lack of effort that is painfully potent in this show.

What a fucking mess ahahahahahah
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>>151287603
The director of the show confirmed in a tweet a while back that "Yuri was intentional"

https://twitter.com/binobinobi/status/784795128900706304
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>Cocona's character development was learning to make her own decisions and not let others take over her life
>needed Good Mimi to come out of nowhere, tell her to start making her own decisions, and then disappear
>yes mother, I will think for myself

I didn't hate the episode overall, but man, this really fucking bothered me.
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>>151287732
Every single episode is good at worst.
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Dear fuck.
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>all the samefags in this thread
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>>151287753
Yeah, the switch of scriptperson truly made some waves.
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>>151285568

Sure why not, we can over dramatize the reaction to this shows finale too to go along with how fake as all shit /a/ has been over this anime all season. One more fuck you to /a/ and the hopeless shithole anime "community " as the year closes out and I soon say goodbye to this garbage forever. For this week though I get to laugh at you and your troll OP reaction threads
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>>151287723
I don't intend for any sarcasm here. I was genuinely surprised by the bad writing in the episode but I don't think this should be entirely blamed on the new writer because the storyboards are very crammed leaving little space for natural rendition for the writer.
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>>151287732
Just like Madoka they're ruined for good by the terrible mess that happens after them. There is no good point to sell with this show.

>>151287750
Yuri bait. They all are platonic and do not love each other at all.

>>151287753
Like I said, shitty character development. Every character is awful and badly written.

>>151287756
Every single episode is nonsensical and poirly written.
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>>151287753
Mimi herself being the one to encourage Cocona to follow her heart and giving her a real parental advice talk was a really good move and one of the best parts of the episode. Cocona has spent the whole show wanting a real family and needing advice, just wanting to talk to her mother even once. I think it was really good and compelling to tie those two things together in a way that resolves the conflict within Cocona but it did feel like it went by a little quickly and there could have been more emotional impact if the conversation was allowed to be a little longer. She wasn't told what too do, she was encouraged to do what she felt was right and then Cocona did what she felt of her own accord.
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>>151287649
I am amped for the return of Uexkull and his major contribution to wrapping up Iro sempai's dangling plot threads.
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>>151286669

This is /a/s board culture now too. It is what it is
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>>151287601
I think you set it off again.
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>>151287835
It's this guy again
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what purpose dose nyunyu serve at all this this show?
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>>151287814
The shift in wordsmiths truly had an impact.
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>>151287923
what a qt
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>>151285568
>People calling Flip Flappers the biggest disappointment of the year
Did you guys forget Mayoiga aired this year? We thought that shit was gonna be an 'Another' tier massacre trainwreck and instead it was just a boring show about floating talking heads where absolutely nothing exciting happened. It's embarrassing thinking back to how hyped /a/ was for this show.
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>>151287837
I understand this perspective, but I would have liked it better if instead of the mom pep talk, she realized she doesnt need mom anymore, she has a family, cut to flashbacks of touching scenes with Salt and the other members of flip flap as she realizes she already has what she needs and she can do this! And then she breaks free an.....Oh wait, this show didn't spend any time developing any relationships with the side characters in flip flap. Welp. Add another to the list of missed opportunities.
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>>151287813
you're right. Conversations are best when you're in a room full of hundreds people and each one of them says one thing and then leaves.
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Does Yayaka make Flip Flappers worth it?
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>>151287101

That cause the Japanese anime community isn't just literally all complete idiots and trollbaiting shitposters like the Western one is almost completely now. Sometimes they even actually talk about stuff passionately and aren't just fishing for yous, it's really quite nostalgic
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Okay hold on, I'm a retard.
Yayaka henshin'd using the shard Salt gave her which came from Mimi, right?
And Papika is still using the shard she's been keeping in her ankle thing?
I thought she had lost that one when Mimi formed in episode 10 though.
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>>151287957
>she realized she doesnt need mom anymore
How could you realise you don't need your mother when you have never even interacted with her? It's nonsense.
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>>151287982
No. The anime is 100% shit.
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>>151287953
I heard literally nobody died in Mayoiga. Which is hilarious, but probably not worth sitting through a whole cour of ultimately worthless buildup and tension.
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>>151287957
>touching scenes.
>with salt.
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>>151287987
It does help that they have a designated shitposting thread too.
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>Less circlejerk an anime all season than turn on it as the worst thing ever in the final two episodes

Stay fake as shit western anime community. Still honestly don't know why any of you bother with this shit other than as something disposable to react to and meme about with like 50 other idiots.
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>>151288053
We always knew it was going to flop rather than to flap.
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>>151288023
It was very much a "i'm only watching this cause of the threads" kind of show. You had to be there.
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>>151287753
Need to shop Cocona and Mimi into this scene.
https://youtu.be/KHbzSif78qQ
Papiko can be the one who says 'I'm not'.
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>>151288053
I don't understand what you're triggered by.
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>>151287998
You, this is gonna be personal but it would mirror my own experience with life. My father died when I was extremely young. I really never knew him. Moving on from that and realizing I didn't need him anymore and could become my own person was a huge part of me growing up and becoming the person I am today.
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>>151287753
Wait till that one person will call you stupid for not realizing Cocona needed her parents so much that this scene is justified

They killed any character development she might've had with this.
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>>151288034

Completely. Imagine the western community had designated anti threads for the tards instead of just making it all shitposting threads everywhere like it's become in 2016? Imagine I'd you were caught shitposting and gasp a mod actually probated or banned you or something here even? GASP!
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>>151286460
You never deserved Papika.
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>>151288084
You can't realise you no longer need something you have never had. To realise you no longer need something is predicated on having had it. What you are describing is just getting over it and moving on with your life.
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>>151287749
>watching anime with friends.
>watching filp flappers all at once.
Get out, faggot.
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>>151288085
>depth of character
>in Flip Flappers
Everyone is poorly written to the extreme. They all act irrationally and just do things to advance the "plot."
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>>151287982
Sadly not.

She should get her own anime, away from notShinji and pedo dog. Yuyu and Sayuri can stay, though.
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>>151288023
Its one of those shows that is/was great to watch with /a/, but is probably boring on your own.
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>>151288131
Nobody would respect it here anyway and people just ban evade happily. People who don't even watch these shows come here to ruin other peoples discussions.
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>>151288157
I know. But I had hopes for it damn it! They had some very nice episodes
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>>151288150
>To realise you no longer need something is predicated on having had it.

No its predicated by having wanted it.

I know autists have trouble with understanding things unless they are written very literal, so let me make it clear for you:

You think you need something. But then you realize you do not need that something after all. You already have things in your life that give you the support you were desiring, you just did not realize it because of the tunnel vision you had.
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>>151288085
They actually moved her character forward massively and in very smart way combining her aimlessness with her lack of family and bringing them both together in a very satisfying way.
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In addition to the shit writing and awful characters this anime's artstyle and soundtrack are embarassingly bad. It's full of QUALITY and forgettable background noise.
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Am I the only one who still thinks this is good and has no problem with Papika's line? Have I gone insane? I mean, I had no problem with Reoko/Azuma either, so I can't see much of a problem with a similar yuri pairing. Though like I said, that could be because I'm insane.
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>>151288245
No they didn't. This show was never good. It was just a pretentious mess to cover up its awful, plagiarized story.
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>tfw the same people who are calling the show shit are the same people who thought ep 1 was confusing.
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>"I bet she'll grow up to be a fine piece of ass like you!"
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>>151288295
It's not yuri. It's platonic and motherly. Yuri doesn't exist in anime that isn't directly about girls being dykes.
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>>151288246
A want is not a need. Those are completely separate things. To realise you NO LONGER need something implies you have had it and are now disposing of it. Simply realising you do not need something you thought you needed is a completely different thing.
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>>151288295
It's still good, just expected more for the final.
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>>151288295
I just don't know why they thought it was a good line. Is this really the best they could come up with?
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>>151288295
It is still good and Papika's line is fine. However, you are insane because you still think it's yuri. Papika's line pretty much puts her as someone like a godmother/aunt type character to Cocona.
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>>151285568
FliFla is just like Rolling Girls, but not that good
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>>151288384
>>151288338
>Platonic and motherly
Like Azuma and Reoko's relationship, right?
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>>151288441
They aren't gay, anon, face facts.
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>>151288318
>the people calling the show shit for not being vague episodic adventures anymore are the same as the ones calling the vague episodic adventures confusing
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>>151288246
>I know autists have trouble with understanding things
Ironic, because you're doing the same. The other guy is right about the 'getting over' thing being different. It may be a common gag to claim /a/ is full of autist, but when you're pulling that card to make it seem like you're the only non-autist because you 'get it and other's don't', then you're just being obnoxious that the conversation isn't going your way.
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>>151288348
like I said

>I know autists have trouble with understanding things unless they are written very literal

A common trait of aspergers is not comprehending figures of speech and taking things that are said more literally than an average person.
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I feel like the only people defending this episode and the last are plotfags that were just looking for individual boxes to be ticked of events occurring, it didn't matter to them HOW they happened because they don't care about how narrative is presented.
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>>151288473
>You have pointed out that I am wrong therefore you are autist

I'll take that as your admission that you were incorrect.
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This is the most disappointing anime of the year. I'd be embarassed if I ever called it good.
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>>151288384
They love each other- there is no denying it.
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>>151288473
Actually, it's the other way round. You are missing the implication of the choice of wording. If anything, understanding those subtle verbal cues is the opposite of autism. Autist won't see the differences between those and would see them as the same thing. like you're doing
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Restream here

http://joowz.org
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>>151288530
>IPs didn't even increase
This samefagging is embarrassing.
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>>151285568
>Is this the worst line in anime history?

It's pretty bad. They should hire some kind of professional whose job it is to come up with the spoken lines that make up the dialogue. You know, one of those what-do-you-call-ems. Can't remember off the top of my head.
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>>151288535
Yuri isn't real, they're mere friends with a familial, platonic love.
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>>151288512
Isn't that obvious?
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>>151288463
Said by a yurihater. Nothing factual about that
>>151288512
No. Just people who aren't overreactionary melodramatic shitposters
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>77 posters
>247 replies
Guys...
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>>151288535
No shit, nobody's denying that they love each other. Stupid yuri fags just still think that the love is romantic.

>>151288512
>plotfags
>don't care about narratives
Feels like you and I have very different ideas of being a plotfag.
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>>151285728
>every time Hidaka was cackling at his computer throughout the series, he was working on this
>it gets destroyed in like 5 seconds

I appreciate this show
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>>151288591
3.2 posts/poster, that's a pretty fucking low number
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i want to lick nyunyu's buttcrack
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>>151288512
You know the majority opinion of the show is still favourable right? When strawpolls are taken the result that is most popular is the "Good episode but could have been better" choice.
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>>151288512
anyone who can't see the massive difference in quality between the early episodes and post-10 stuff are either people with low standards, no eye for film or they are just enjoying the show in a very casual 'haha fun' way (and probably watch it in the background while multitasking)
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>>151288575
Literally everyone hates this show. /a/ was the only place delusionally defending it and they have quit. Let it be forgotten and make fun of those who liked it because of the yuribait.
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>>151288566
If yuri isn't real, what do you call the thing that was making all those crazy faces and laughs in Arc-V's latest episode? Or the ToV MC?
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>>151288512
I feel like the only people shitting on this episode and the last are faggots from reddit like >>151287749 who marathoned this show in one go and just wanted in on the threads and the epic memes.
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>>151288591
>people post 4 times
The true horror.
Go back to wherever you crawled from
>>151288512
Or maybe it's people who enjoy the episodes and disagree with your opinions
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>>151288557
He actually posts exactly like a certain someone in the Hibike threads. Keeps calling it the worst but turns up in every thread purely to hate it anyway. Don't know if it's just a coincidence and yurifags are just that crazy or is indeed the same person.
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>>151288466
This show was never episodic, everything has been building to this point.
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>>151288637
Funny you say that because now all the sites that switched on Flip Flappers on episode 10 are back on board and favouring it.
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Episode 1-8
>This is really good!
Episode 9
>Not as great as the rest, but I'm sure it'll pick back up.
Episode 10
>At least the end was thrilling. Surely it'll get better?
Episode 11
>That was really awkward. Glad they got all the reveals out of the way so we can get back to the story at least.
Episode 12
>Okay, maybe this show just isn't any good.
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>there are people in here who honestly hate this
Why must this kind of thing happen to every popular show?
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So is Iro-chan fine now?
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>>151288512
I feel like the only people making sweeping generalizations about the people who have certain reactions to this show are yeah I don't know where I was going with this
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Reminder that somebody is dying next week.
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>>151288610
The stupid ones here are the yurihaters
>>151288637
No Find someone else for your group opinion dicksucking. But I still think it's good and you won't force me to suck your worthless opinions' dick
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>>151288656
More like the same person. I don't think both series share much of their fanbases.
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>>151288512
I feel like you're just strawmanning a narrative because you're angry that people like a thing you don't but coming up with proper arguments for discourse is too hard, so you just make shit up.
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>>151288649
People have been shitting on this show everywhere for a month. Now /a/ woke up and saw how shit it is. It needs to be forgotten.
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>>151285568
Why must a child's aunt not be allowed to love her since she was born? Do you have brain problems?
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>>151288199
Shitposting is only a one-day ban. I served those bans numerous times, as it's a good chance to get off /a/ and cool off a little bit, as it was probably intended for.
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>>151285728
>This scene was almost as long as unnecessary.
Thats the joke.
>>151286604
So the shattering of Mimi did not alter Papikas age?
So Dr. Salt let his teenage daughter sleep with a gay and autistic thirty something woman.
Thats a bold move.
WWJD?
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>>151288703
Whatever you say, oh great master of anime opinions
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I miss the episode 6 threads.
Why did this have to get more popular?
Why do I have to get angry when people have opinions that I disagree with?
I hate my life
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>>151288664
episodic doesn't literally mean nothing is related to nothing, it means stories or elements are self-contained, in this case for separate episodes (for example the PIs we saw each week with stuff like the hnk homage, the yuri haunted school, iro's flashback etc)

You can have episodic adventures while including bits of foreshadowing and having a continuous character thread.
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>>151288656
HIs posts are like clockwork. Doesn't even seem try hide it. Just "if I spam its shit enough people will think that is popular opinion".
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>>151288672
>anti plotfags actually believe this.
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>>151288681
It isn't popular. It has a larger hatebase than fanbase across the internet.

>>151288672
Biggest trainwreck of the year. No redeeming qualities.

>>151288694
You're alone.
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>>151288691
Pop pop pop watchin flappers drop
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>>151288681
>flip flap
>popular
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>>151288691
I hope it's Nyunyu.
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>>151287371
Lesbian Ping Pong.
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>>151288760
>larger hatebase than fanbase across the internet.
Nope.
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>>151288681
Anon do you not understand how cheesy it was? I mean it's fine for something to be cheesy but not a show that was legitimately good like this one had been.
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>>151288760
It's popular on /a/, which is all that matters, and its popularity on /a/ is what attracted this many shitposters.
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>>151288753
Someone provoked him a few weeks back and he started in on spamming copypasta about "madoka never loved homura" and etc.

I assume it's one of those rabidly autistic faggots from the madoka general that now shitposts every thread with two or more female characters,
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>>151288656
Oh, I know who you're talking about. When other's call him out on it, he bullshit some post about it's so that he can have informed opinion of about it. Then when asked why the he's only saying generic 'it's shit' posts, he came up with some crap about how he's not offering his 'proper' posts in the Hibike threads. Now that you mention it, the posting style is pretty similar here, calling it shit and throwing generic insults without actually elaborating on anything.
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People who liked this episode, tell me why it was good.

I want to like it. I want to be excited for the finale. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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>>151287723
Well, if it's not writer change, maybe Oshiyama, the new writer, and the producers should consider career change.
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>>151288672
This.

RIP Flip Flappers. You shall be missed.

/thread
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>>151288782
Why is a show like this not allowed to be cheesy when it wants to? Because you were enjoying it before and you don't like cheesy things?
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>>151288788
Oh shit it is homuhater, I don't know how I didn't realize that before. Or homuhater junior anyway, I lost track of how many there were.
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>>151288760
Whatever le ebin internet sagemaster says
>>151288782
Cheesy isn't bad, idiot. Now kill your pseudointellectual ass with your retarded "muh intellectual objectively good masterpieces can't be cheesy"
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>>151288681
What gets me is that most of the hate is brought on about them being wrong about where it was going.
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>>151288788
Damn, so it's him after all. Now it all makes sense.
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>>151288786
Its generals never got more than 70 posters. Nobody really likes it. Just a few yurifags.

>>151288788
Yuri is always bait and follows a pattern. I can't wait to call LAA, Maidragon and Yuuki Yuuna ending in het.
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>>151288808
Yayaka was cool and did henshin.
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i love that stuff
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>>151288830
maybe because this is THE resolution of the series, what everything has been building up to, and it needed to be good?
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This is the part of the thread where people that like Flip Flappers false flag and exaggerate criticism
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>>151288782
It wasn't even cheesy. Episode 3 was cheesy and that was a good thing. It evoked a feeling of childlike fun and got you fired up, without even needing characters and plot threads. These past eps don't work as serious drama and don't work as over the top anime fuck yeah plots despite having the weight of weeks of characterization and build-up to stand on. they are just boring and a chore to watch.
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>>151285568
>That strong familial love
I liked it.

>>151285715
>Angry yurifags
Oh that's why you guys are pretending it's bad.
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>>151288632
Watch as others will call you a shitposterfor saying it exactly how it is.

They checked all the boxes to make us satisfied (Yayaka henshin, daidaidaisuki, mains back together) but the way they did it was a complete mess.
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>>151288808
It's called a different opinion. You're free to dislike the episode. Nothing wrong with that. Just like I'm free to like it
As long as that's understood, that's fine
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>>151288808
It's like the director said "we should do a whole episode towards the end where we just use a bunch of ideas the foreigners came up with on 4chan."

Seriously it had boss rush, Yayaka henshin, Bu-chan henshin, Cocona and Papika getting married, Nyunyu being irrelevant, you name it.
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>>151288860
Cheesy doesn't mean bad.

>>151288782
It is perfectly in-line with magical girl shows. FF never claimed to be some major breakthroughs in the genre just because it boasts some fancy animation styles.
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>>151286836
They had to check the tropes:
cameltoe loli
swimring loli
another in your face evangelion reference
actually good
rough first meeting
cat noise name
anoying repetition of cat noise name
real gun
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>>151288820
Maybe you should considering moving out of your parents' house.
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>>151288895
This anime is just a mess of ameteur direction. Name one thing good about the characters or story. You can't.
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>>151288808
I feel like explaining why you like stuff is fundamentaly impossible because people have different taste and explaining fun is akward as hell
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>>151288907
Not sure if you're the same guy strawmanning your opponent but wow, look at that >>151288907
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>>151287303
This is how the story will make PapiCoco viable again and also the greatest yuri love ever told:
>EvilMimi brainwashed Papika with "I will not allow anyone to separate me from Cocona, including you."
>GoodMimi told Papikana, "Papika, please remember what I wished for: Once Cocona is born, I want her to choose her own path and live life the way she sees fit. I want her to have the freedom that I never had."
>The wish of Papika is exactly what GoodMimi had told Papikana.
>Papikana saw Mimi turned lawful evil and tried to dive onto her and fight her for Cocona but failed.
>Papikana got jailed in dicktree and got deaged by evilMimi with memory loss.
>PapiMimi ship was dead when Mimi fucked Papika up by deaging her.
>Cocona stumbled upon jailed Papika and rescued her. Papika becomes a puppy for life of Cocona because of the life saving action.
>Papika was then on a mission to protect Cocona and make Cocona able to "choose her own path and live life the way she sees fit and have the freedom that Mimi never had."
>The age-gap between Cocona and Papika also becomes a non-issue when it's caused by evilMimi's doing.
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>>151288808
Yayaka coming out of the closet and flapping
Nyunyu butt
Yuyu loving her onii-chan
Nostalgia levels
Muscle Bu
Muscle Bu immediately jobbing
Semen demon showing up again
Cocona realizing she can think for herself

Now please tell me what was so bad about it. Tell me why I should not care about the finale.
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>>151288907
Holy shit, people predicted that obvious things would happen. That can only mean that the director lurked on /a/ and copied everyone's ideas.
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>>151288808
yyk + bu henshins, mimi losing her shit, boss rush, yuyu + toto development, hidaka being ridiculous
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>>151288958
this post was meant to link from >>151288895 to this (and now this other one) where they can only list "things that happened" and nothing of the awful execution.


>>151288907
>>151288965
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>>151288964
So you are saying that pre-7 Papika had the memories of being stuck on the dick tree but not the memories of being Papikana? Because otherwise that whole mission thing makes no sense at all
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>>151288995
Come on anon I don't seriously believe that, I was just saying this episode had a bunch of things people were hoping would happen.
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>>151288808
The bossrush was a great action sequence and everything after Yayaka henshined was fucking gorgeous. The leadup to her actual henshin was 10/10, too. One of the highlights of the series.

The confrontation between Papika and Mimi was an excellent bit of dialogue. It really highlighted the nature of Mimi's character and her role as a villain. It also really sold the fact that these characters had a lot of history together and were working through that within their conflict.

Even though good Mimi;s appearance was abrupt, it was nice to see her finally have a conversation with Cocona, and for Cocona to finally hear the words she needed to hear and wake up to the world..

The comic relief sections with the Flip Flap crew were charming and funny and entertaining to watch, and Bu-chan's henshin was a golden moment.

I think this episode had far more good than bad and people that honestly felt like Papika's cheesy line ruined the ending are blowing it way out of proportion.
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>>151288942
They're cute.
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>>151288942
They piss you off, apparently.
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>>151288860
But it is good. Mimi is a dumb overprotective mom, and Papika is still an airhead. Nothing that happened this episode was out of character, as cheesy as it might have been since even that cheesiness is in-character for FliFla itself.
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>>151289036
They're also severely shallow and badly written.
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>>151289016
What are you trying to say? Papika may not have her entire memories but surely she could remember what her wish was.
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>>151289060
It's really hard to argue about this because it's a matter of taste. I just think you have shitty taste, that's all.
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>>151289056
No, I know it's shit. The people who won't stop defending it or yuri in general piss me off.
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>>151289062
I agree but they're still cute.
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>>151289093
Maybe just maybe you're a faggot with shit taste
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>>151289102
Not worth remembering.
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>>151289084
If her wish was "protect Cocona etc etc" then she would have known who Cocona was before meeting her
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I still can't get over that this happened
I fucking love this show
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>>151289089
Not every show is going to end how you want, but on the bright side there are 30-40 shows airing in any given season so I hope at least one ending this time can please your superior tastes.
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>>151287303
I think I've figured something out, and a way to explain Cocona and Papika's hinted-at time together in PI;

Salt may not actually be Cocona's father. Papika actually conceived her as a fictional character, that Mimi brought to literal life via PI fuckery.

Or, Salt is actually her physical father, but somehow she was able to exist before she was ever conceived because Papika and Mimi created her "spirit" together in PI.

Or something equally weird.
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>>151289121
As long as they're cute while I'm watching then that's OK.
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>>151289028
I just think that most of the episodes in this show are 10/10, with a couple 9/10s. This one felt 7/10 though. Its still good, I still had fun. But I wasn't hyped and enjoying myself to the same degree as before.
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>>151289126
I love it too anon
Everyone else is just a fucking whinni faggot
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>>151289126
We Popeye now! Too bad Salt just walked over him like it was nothing.
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>>151289126
I wish he'd been slightly more helpful, but hey, there's still one more episode.

Sayuri's going to do something cool too-- I just know it.
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>>151289084
If that's the case, that really pisses me off. Papika really had been lying to Cocona the whole show.
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I find it hilarious how all the criticism is coming from misunderstanding the story or complaining about shipping. The only real criticism is the animation/pacing, but that doesn't impact the story at all. Madoka infamously got away with worse.
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>>151289163
This show is all bad. Tell me why it's not above 2/10.
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Come on man. The problem is not that the show is too silly, but it's because the show isn't silly enough. I mean, all the reveals are predictable and boring.
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>>151289151
no.
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>>151289179
He was a helpful meatshield. Salt wouldn't have gotten though without Bu's body blocking for him
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>>151289179
Sayuri's boyfriend will save the day.
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>>151289181
How so? Papika literally said her wish was a secret in ep 4. There was no lying.
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>>151289089
>his taste doesn't match mine, so it's shit.
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>>151289093
>or yuri in general
I see, so it all boils down on that stupid yurifag vs anti-yurifag shitposting war once again. I guess it's at an all-time height thanks to Hibike's episode yesterday, so everything makes sense.
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>>151289177
Well, he did kind of clear the way for Salt.

I think Salt might be preparing to force Mimi and everyone else into HIS Pure Illusion, so that he can show them what happened from his point of view. Maybe some everlasting declaration of love for Mimi that finally snaps her out of it.
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>>151289126
It's when hypermasculinity gets BTFO, so maybe Jacob Chapman likes it.
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>>151289183
Pacing is the most important thing for the story. This is a classic plotfag, it doesn't matter how things happen, just that they do for people like this.
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>>151289177
That's basically the joke, he gets beat up almost every episode.
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>>151289163
I'd disagree because this episode was stronger than quite a few previous episodes.
The biggest difference is that this episode had a way too high amount of hype behind it through the bossrush pv
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>>151289183
Madoka handled its story and themes better than FF does though.
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>>151289126
I like it too.

The salt from that one autist who is legit mad that people like a thing he didn't just acts like a cherry on the delicious cake
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>>151289123
Since Papika had certain memory loss, and also the fact that Cocona was relocated by KKK, Papika would not know the location of Cocona and this is understandable.
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>>151289183
Tell me what I misunderstood about the shallow characters and shit writing. The story sucks.

>>151289190
Badly written shows are predictable. I told you the paper thin MCs would end in het.
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>>151289232
You think it's gonna be better next week?
Flip Flappers is like the only thing that airs next week so all the shitposters will flock to the threads
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>>151289233
So he wrote a song for Cocona and Mimi
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>>151287993
They got new shards from the boss rush
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>>151289220
>whats your wish Papika
>If I'd told you, it would involve telling you who your lost mother, that I'm actually buddies, with is
Clear lie by omission
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>>151289183
There's nothing wrong with the pacing either, it's just following that same Japanese pattern of starting slowly then going fast.
And animation is only a problem for the worst kind of sakugafags who want every show to have KyoAni movie-tier budget or else it's shit.
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>>151286917
If this is right and Papika starts with long hair then it's not the flashback we've been expecting.

Shit's gonna get FF8 levels of weird.
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>>151289190
>predictable.
Still waiting for final boss nyuyu or for yayaka/papika to die.
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>>151289269
>complain about shallow characters and shit writing while making the most shallow of criticisms
2 meta 4 me

anon-kun, you're such a literary genius.
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>>151289303
And the shards got depowered win Mimi decided to take them away.
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>>151289233
>I think Salt might be preparing to force Mimi and everyone else into HIS Pure Illusion
I was about to post about this speculah. I think this is the course the show is taking, I'm looking forward to it.
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>>151289261
She clearly did not know what a Cocona was before meeting her. There is a scene specifically designed for the purpose of establishing this in episode 1.
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>>151289245
I skipped the PV entirely, and skipped the threads here because I wanted to go in fresh, and like I said, I felt it was a 7/10.

Also, episode 11 is one of my favorite episodes. 11 was intense with "OH SHIT ITS HAPPENING" moments occurring non-stop. 10 was a bit weak, but had a 10/10 ending that had me super hyped for 11.

Honestly, I think the biggest problem with episode 12 is really just the fact that it feels like 2 episodes worth of content crammed into a single episode.
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>>151289329
Because I'm right.
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>>151287993
They both used the same shard to henshin this time.
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>>151289282
Eupho also ends next week and if there's any more development beyond a fucking hairclip with Kumiko and Shuuichi that's going to be THE shitposting target.
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>>151289282
>Flip Flappers is like the only thing that airs next week
Doesn't Hibike also have an episode left, which is going to have even more shitposting material? I bet next week's threads are going to get even worse.
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>>151288199

It really is that transparent these days isn't it. That and they are very lazy and gemetic about it.
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>>151289233
Maybe, or actually try to protect Cocona for the first time.
>>151289243
Yeah, I was expecting him to be competent for the first time, but then it quickly revealed the upgrade did little.
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>>151289232
>Hibike's episode yesterday
What I don't get is why people keep bringing it here. Yurifags in Hibike threads act nothing like yurifags in FliFla threads.
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>>151289315
You have no understanding of pacing
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>>151289350
>Honestly, I think the biggest problem with episode 12 is really just the fact that it feels like 2 episodes worth of content crammed into a single episode.
To be fair, this has characterized much of the series.
Even episode 3 had this issue. It's been a valid flaw of the show but it;s hardly something new to episode 12
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>>151289371
Well it's one of those shows... only the female characters are allowed to do anything cool
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>>151289342
Come on you don't have to be so dense can you?
Papika lost memories. She didn't know who Cocona was or how she looked like. She only knew she was looking for certain person of her "destiny" (character song) and had wish for that person. Alright?
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>>151289269
What's so shallow about the characters, an so bad about the writing? Please elaborate since you're such an amazing anime critic with superior taste after all.
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>>151289398
nah, I think its a noticeable difference this time. It feels like they really had to cram it in for this one.
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>>151289311
By ep 4 Papika had no memories of Mimi.
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>>151289427
Why do you even keep replying?
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>>151288728

That was probaby very effective when the warring and arguments were real byproducts of passionate fans a d not just staged and when shitposting wasn't apparently the end goal of the anime community and the shows just a means to an end for collecting image macros for failed memes
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>>151289315
>hey guys i read that barely wikipedia article about 10th century japanese plays
>let me explain you the classic model of japanese pacing
Everyone here watches dozens of Japanese anime per season, the criticisms don't come from an outsider place they exist in relation to other shows (or even this same show when it was good).
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>every thread on /a/ is filled with hetshitters nowadays
Mercy
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>>151289437
I don't see it.
What is in this episode that could realisticaly be streched into 2 episodes?
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>>151289245
>The biggest difference is that this episode had a way too high amount of hype behind it through the bossrush pv
This. I almost regret watching the PV since I'm sure it hampered my enjoyment a little.
Unfortunately, I did have some issues with the episode itself such as how detached we are from Cocona's headspace during this whole rescue ordeal. From episode 10's "I hate everyone" breakdown to now, we're not really sure how she processed events, just that she did. It's almost like a pause in her characterization followed by a jump to the next phase. And I say this as someone who actually enjoyed good!Mimi's talk and the little push it gave her.

>>151289350
>Honestly, I think the biggest problem with episode 12 is really just the fact that it feels like 2 episodes worth of content crammed into a single episode.
Also this. Would have loved to see more of the boss rush than we did. Would have been particularly nice to see more Papika + Yayaka teamwork before Yayaka's henshin.

>>151289398
>Even episode 3 had this issue. It's been a valid flaw of the show but it;s hardly something new to episode 12
I don't think so. One of the strenghts of the show to me had been how the episodes managed to pack without the pacing feeling off or important events feeling like they were skipped over. But you mention episode 3, which is actually the one episode I had slight issues with on that front.

Sorry for chiming in on your conversation.
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>>151289427
None of the characters have a personality, they're all just stereotypes. All the dialogue is just repetition. This whole show follows a pattern of repeating shit and talking in short, meaningless sentences.

>>151289482
Yuri literally never happens.
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>>151289494
The fact that the storyboard book is the thickest among all 13 eps.
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Episode 13 checklist

>Salt getting in the ELPIS
>saving Mimi
>explain how Good Mimi got swapped with evil DPI Mimi
>explain AB chan
>explain de-aging Papika
>give Yuyu/Toto a resolution
>resolution to Yayaka/Papika/Coconas relationship

All this has to be done in 20 minutes. Will they pull it off?
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>>151289529
Many of those threads can be resolved at the same time.
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>>151289529
No, this anime is embarassingly shit.
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>>151289494
Boss Rush, Yayaka henshin should have been 1 episode. Mimi + Papika confrontation, Mind Rape, Cocona development, Wedding Henshin, ect. should have been another episode.
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>>151289529
>explain AB chan
For what purpose?
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>>151289529
>explain how Good Mimi got swapped with evil DPI Mimi
But that was literally shown in Ep11
>explain AB chan
This won't happen
>Salt getting in the ELPIS
I really hope this somehow forces them all into Salt's PI
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>>151289475
>Everyone here watches dozens of Japanese anime per season
It's good to know that you can still be this optimistic. I bet most people here nowadays only pick up two or three shows per season, and then start shitting on them because they didn't go as they wanted.
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>>151289409
Alright. Your idea is still dumb as hell if you have to contort reality so much to make it work.
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>>151289529
Judging based on this one? No. The energy of each scene is going to be pointing in all different directions and it'll be a whiplashy affair. If Mimi goes away we might have a chance.
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>>151289529
>>Salt getting in the ELPIS
>>saving Mimi
Salt fixes evilMimi through ELPIS DPI fuckery.
>>explain how Good Mimi got swapped with evil DPI Mimi
Nah this is shown in ep 11.
>>explain AB chan
Not sure
>>explain de-aging Papika
Papika got fucked into deaging by evilMimi.
>>give Yuyu/Toto a resolution
Maybe
>>resolution to Yayaka/Papika/Coconas relationship
Papicoco canonical, but maybe bittersweet/Peter Pan
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>>151288995

Its /a/s desperate delusions to feel more important and influential than it actually is. I mean this is the board that has convinced itself it invented Your Name and Shikai owes it royalties or something. Anime community has PROBLEMS.
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>>151289516
>Yuri literally never happens.
yuri actually happens in just about every show. Cute girls doing cute things is built on yuri, but /a/ has a dedicated shitposter base that insist its only yuri if X, Y and Z happen.
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This guy is shitposting up a storm, but sadly he's not wrong. As soon as the show stopped being episodic PI adventures it really began to go downhill. Episode 12 in particular was just downright bad, with problems in animation, pacing and the writing in general. They fucking undermined one of the main themes of the show and passed it off as legitimate, what the fuck.
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>>151289579
What reality did I contort exactly?
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>>151289565
>Boss Rush, Yayaka henshin should have been 1 episode.
Sorry but there's simply no way a TV production can spend 2 episodes on a constant bossrush.
Especialy since it would be neccessitate even more fighting sequences
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>>151289529
>explain how Good Mimi got swapped with evil DPI Mimi
I'll keep posting this till /a/ gets it. She unlocked her own DPI here, and swapped.
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Is Papika in love with the Cocona?
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>>151289084
Unless there was some reason telling her the wish would prevent it from coming true.
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>>151289183

So basically typical modern anime fandom forum antics to a fault as anyone following trends would predict
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>>151289651
As only an aunt could love her NBR niece
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>>151289599
Because yuri is not yuri unless it is explicit. Until then it is yuribait.
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who else lost it at this moment? it was the best for me
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>>151289578
Change it to 'per year'. Resorting to an obscure japanese term that I'd bet most anime writers aren't even aware of in order to act superior and say 'you baka gaijin don't understand TRADITIONAL NIPPON STORYTELLING' remains just as bad.
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>all that damage control

Damn. Trying so hard to defend the show must be hard right now. I feel for you.

Moving from blaming shipperfags to plotfags to actual shitposters then back to comfyfags. You don't even know where to direct your anger because the majority have had their eyes opened.
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>>151289675
Me.
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>>151287295
The episode was bad, but let's not pretend shitposts like yours suddenly have any value now.
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>>151289665
Age-gap becomes a non-issue the moment when the age-gap itself was a victimization by evilMimi's doing.
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>>151289694
Falseflags have to be more subtle
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>>151289449
There are some people still out there that take the anime community and the shit it says remotely seriously and at face value apparently. Its literally just a bunch of shutters flinging shit at each other all day. Its dead really
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>>151289611
There was nothing wrong with any of those points this episode. Animation is only a problem when things look off-model every scene, the pacing is perfectly understandable if you're able to pay attention, and the writing was the same thing as the rest of the entire show.
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Anyone did one of those "visual direction" compilation pics, for the entire show? Or any good ones
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>>151289675
I was barely paying attention due to the shit animation and sloppy storytelling.

>>151289694
This. It'll only be remembered as an embarassing trainwreck with no redeeming features. It's already extremely hated by the anime community overall in Japan.
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>>151285568
>"I love you, Cocona! I love love love you! I love love love love love..."
>GREATEST LINE IN ANY SHOW EVER, 10/10, AOTY, ANIME IS SAVED
>"I've loved you ever since you were born!
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT, FUCKING SHOW IS RUINED WORST SHOW OF THE SEASON REALLY FEELING THAT WRITER CHANGE
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Where does the "end in het" meme even come from? At best all these hetfags can be hopeful for is a "friendship" end. Coconuts has literally no male friends she can have a relationship with.
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>>151289772
>extremely hated by the anime community overall in Japan
not even my top 4 though
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I was going to pick this show up but these thread OPs make it seem like it went to shit. Is it still worthwhile?
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>>151289675

best girl and it isn't even close.
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>>151289753
>the writing was the same thing as the rest of the entire show.
not at all
the early episodes were very elliptical in nature and enjoyed a bit of ambiguity. the past 3 episodes have been practically a LN with how the dialogue and events flow, complete with ultra tacky dialogue about worldviews that we are supposed to take seriously (i.e Yayaka this ep)
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>>151289753
Laughable deliusion. Face it, this anime is a disgrace.
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What if I don't have a problem with Ep 12, but simply disappointed that the plot has gone in the direction hinted at in 7 that I least wanted it to go?
Literally the one thing I did not want to happen was for those 2ch spoilers to be real, and then they were.
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>people complaining about the animation this week
Not seein' it.
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>>151289753
>Animation is only a problem when things look off-model every scene
Or how about those awkwards jumps everywhere because of lack of animation? Or how about the complete lack of animation at all?
>the pacing is perfectly understandable
Understandable = good

You can't expect people to care about your show when things happen so fast you could blink and miss something important.
>and the writing was the same thing as the rest of the entire show.
Downright false.
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>>151289791
Shitposters only think in binary
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>>151289694
>>151289772
For what purpose are you doing this?
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>>151289805
This show is being shitposted to hell and back. Watch it, because not even japan watched it.
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>>151289805
There's fun moments and some great episodes but they lose control of narrative thought and presentation by the end. I'd say it's worth it, nothing has ignited my mahou shoujo boner so much in a while.
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>>151289772
>trainwreck
That term doesn't mean what you think it does.
>>151289805
It is, it's just that it somehow attracted a hatebase out of nowhere.
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>>151289673
Everything and everyone is gay until stated otherwise.
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>>151289772
The only reason I'm beginning to hate the show is because of how great it could've been but wasn't.
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>>151289805
No, it really did go to shit.
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>>151289791
They're straight, Cocona explicitly liked boys, it's a platonic friendship.
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>>151289866
Honestly you could refrain from making your post look like a shitpost when your true intention is to hope for the show to be better.
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>>151289820
Now that I think about it you're right, your post convinced me. Time to commit suicide.
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>>151289832
Posting in between frames will never be vaild.
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>>151289905
But they're really, really funny.
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>>151289838
>You can't expect people to care about your show when things happen so fast you could blink and miss something important.
I bet you're the same kind of person who hates Occultic;Nine because everyone talks at 2x speed.
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>>151289853
Degenerate.

>>151289866
It was never great.

>>151289805
Don't, it's a mess from start to finish.
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>>151289805
Literally just watch up to this point in episode 7. Its basically ghost Banri after this.
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>>151289960
>Degenerate.
Please go back.
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>>151289675
I simply can't stop watching this
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>>151289898
How did my post seem like a shitpost?
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>>151289529
>explain how Good Mimi got swapped with evil DPI Mimi
Done
>explain AB chan
Who?
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>>151289992
No. Yuri never wins. It's a sickness.
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>>151290012
>Who?

Dead girl at the start of episode 1 wearing a FlipFlap outfit.
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>>151289529
They will get explained but in poor manner.
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>>151289960
Even if you think it was never great you have to admit the earlier episodes were way better than the slop we have now.
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Do you people realize you're all responding to the same shitposter? No one gives a shit about yuri vs het but we're all just mostly disappointed by the rushed pacing and poor directing. It's one guy stirring up shit for no apparent reason and in the Hibike threads too.
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>>151289805
At this point i would say:

>watch up to ep8
>if you like yayaka watch ep9
>stop there
>forget ep10-12 are a thing.

I would rather the show ended there and left me with the biggest blue balls i've ever had watching animu than what we got honestly

>>151289964
Ep8 and 9 are good, the cliffhangers are really fucked up though.
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>>151290089
They were still slop. Literally nothing happens in any of them. It's just pretentious imagery or pointless flashiness.
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I guess Mimi is the type to hold a grudge

I wonder how many times Papikana intruded on her and Salt
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>>151289850
>this
>mahou shoujo
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>>151290004
You're literally complaining that the show didn't turn out how you wanted it to be. I don't think it's hard to understand why it's a completely stupid reason to hate something.
>>151290103
>rushed pacing and poor directing
And you're just as bad as him, you know.
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>>151290123
>Mimi is the type to hold a grudge
Just like Cocona
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>>151290103
Is it that faggot from Gaia who loves yaoi but hates yuri with a passion?
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>>151290146
>still defending this objective, widely panned trash
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>>151290122
Still better than what we have now.
>>
FLIP FLAPPINGU
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>almost at the bump limit
>only 75 images
Protip: this is an easy way to tell that your thread has lost more than half its bump limit to a single autistic shitposter with a VPN and a phone.
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>>151290140
The show doesn't have to be pure mahou shoujo for me to get excited about the transformations
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>>151290156
Yeah, she really held that grudge for an entire day.
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>>151290146
>And you're just as bad as him, you know.
Except that's been the consensus even in the earlier threads today, that the episode was rushed and scenes were generally not allowed enough room to breathe. That's not the point anyway. Fine if you have a different opinion but I wasn't trying to shitpost, unlike the other guy who isn't even trying to discuss the show in detail and who I doubt has even watched the episode to begin with.
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>>151290203
10/10 moment
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>>151290213
>in denial about everyone hating this episode

This show no longer has a fanbase.
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>>151290146
>I don't agree with your post so it's a shitpost
>>
I might be late to the party here but I was just looking on ANN:
>Yuyu's VA was 13 until Saturday which was her 14th birthday
Wow I didn't know that. I guess it's not exactly a taxing role. Both Yuyu and Toto's VAs only have Flip Flappers listed in their entries, Toto's VA's age isn't listed
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>>151290104
>I don't like where the show ended up, so I'd rather it have no ending.
Are you retarded?
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>>151290213
I think it was clear from the second episode that discussing this show would be impossible because of that one guy. I'm glad I bailed out since, enjoyed the fuck out of this.
And now I find out "everyone" (lol) hated it apparently, hilarious.
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>>151290263
Sup Mimiposter.
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>>151290250
It's even worse that the episode was a mix of really really good and really awful. Yayaka and bu's henshins were both 10/10 scenes.
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>>151290306
I like the noises Yuyu made this episode, but you can tell their VA's are children by their limited range.
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>>151290328
Literally everyone hates this show but like 5 people. All of you should fuck off.
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>>151289805
If you marathon it then episode 10 onward will probably not be as bad as watching it every week. There are some glaring issues though, like rough episode transitions, bland characters (also their design), and wasteful designs. Regarding wasteful designs, I mean they used good composites for one episode but then never use them in the next one, for some stupid decisions like one PI one episode and each has to be different (but then they just borrowed from other works). People overlooked that for some reason before.
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>>151290104
>the cliffhangers are really fucked up though.
>Ep:7 Cocona starts to change, then gets Mimi'd
>Ep8: Cocona grows more trusting of Papika, gets Mimi'd again
>Ep9: gains confidence in Papika's feelings, Mimi'd once more

If they revealed this was actually a careful plot by evil Mimi to sabotage Cocona's development at every turn, I'd take back every complaint I ever had.
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last time i've seen this much shitposting was the early conrevo thread,jesus the threads are awful today
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Yayaka has stolen my heart.
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>>151290416
Because the episode was awful and ruined the entire show.
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>>151290315
No ending is better than bad ending yes, see: True Tears, just like it's better to pretend that DtB2 exists, it makes my memories of the characters not sad, but happy.

>>151290399
That would be pretty good.
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>>151290416
This pretty much happens every thursday in flip flap threads, for no good reason that I'm ever aware of.
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>>151290416
The shitposter is unfortunately making it seem like everyone who has problems with the obvious pacing problems this episode is him
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>>151290387
That "everyone" is you alone, samefag.
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>>151290103
Who gives a shit about pairings when 11 episodes worth of buildup resulted in this shitty episode?
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>>151290328
>this denial
Dude, a lot of people disliked this episode. I get that you enjoyed it but there's no need to start shitposting just like him, except towards the other side.
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>>151290213
Hopefully people learn to ignore obvious baiting in the future threads. Just try to talk about the episode and Nyunyu's ass without letting some assburger derail anything.
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>>151290416
Sorry but I believe at least half of the negative opinions are honest ones this time. I am at diehard as it could be as a fan and 've preordered the BDs but I am still disappointed by this episode.
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>>151290416
You clearly isn't enough of an oldfag to witness the glorious time of Code Geass shitposting. Back then there wasn't even Captcha to save us.
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>>151289611
>They fucking undermined one of the main themes of the show
The main theme of the show is not being ashamed of society's demands and simply being comfortable with yourself. It's about emphasizing freedom but it's also about understanding and respecting other people's feelings hence why PI is used to explore their internal worlds. Mimi is deliberately framed as mirror to Cocona (continuing the symmetrical motif in the series) as someone who has lost trust in others and believes herself to be genuinely unloved by anyone. I believe this episode was very much true to the themes throughout the show especially with Mimi wanting to give Cocona the freedom she never had.
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>>151290416
Blame whatever the fuck happened because of a single hairpin in Hibike's threads yesterday. It's like every single shitposter decided to come out of hiding at the same time.
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>>151290467
Oh, you are one of those "it didn't go the way I wanted it, despite it being predictable" anons.
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>>151290456
nice overreaction senpai but even if this episode was as awful as you say it is,1 bad episode doesn't retroactively make the whole thing bad
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new thread >>151290564
>>151290564
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She's stupid and just got mind raped, what do you expect.
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>>151290476
Literally nobody likes this show anymore.

>>151290525
This show threw cohesion out of the window and dropped its style entirely. There is no redeeming quality to this show.
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>>151290583
>page 3
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>>151290510
On the last thread, sure. Not on this thread.
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>>151290583
>page 3
You go die.
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>>151290416
Well, the show aint helping, when people that arent fanboys watch an episode, dont like it and want to talk about it, there will be heated discussions.

>>151290472
Because it's when it airs, so EVERYONE wants to talk about, people who like it and people who dont like it, the other days, normal viewers go discuss other things, while fanboys stay in the threads, which make them more "peaceful".
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>>151286340
And she's taking after Yayaka now. Yuyu confirmed for Yayaka end?
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>>151290213
>all disappointed/hate posts are done by the same person
How deluded can you be?
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>>151290525
>The main theme of the show is not being ashamed of society's demands and simply being comfortable with yourself.
Which is why they changed Iro from her own unique person into a face in the background and never bothered to change her back.

Fuck off.
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>>151290583
Stop making new threads, idiot. Use the one that's already up. >>151276029
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>>151290512
There wasn't the catalog view back then too.
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>>151290600
It's kind of different from previous weeks when the first threads were all low quality shitposts from crossthreader.
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>>151290664
It was an accident in case you weren't paying attention, and they didn't even know if there was a way to change her back.
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>>151290686
Don't insult me, I just thought that we needed a thread with the show in the subject.
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>>151286240
Gets slut panties and an exaggeration of whatever the hell Papika is wearing in her henshin
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>>151290741
They didn't even bother, actually. Granted, it fits with Cocona's characterization that she never took action, but it does prove wrong what you say.
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>>151286864
Can't beat the Cockona
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>>151290703
It's the bait OP, I guess.
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>>151289126
How did the muscle increase Buu-chan's intelligence?
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>>151290753
The only time that's not a stupid reason is when the OP of the other thread has made it unsearchable by not mentioning the show's title anywhere in the subject, post or filename.
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>>151288672
>Episode 10
>>At least the end was thrilling. Surely it'll get better?

epsiode 9 was bad
>well memed
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>>151290579
There is a difference between "it didnt go the way i wanted" to "everything has gone to fucking shit".

I don't like DB after the picollo fight, but it's not like it ruined the characters, it's just went a stupid way i dont like.

DBS however, is beating a dead cow so hard that it would be better to not exist and they let it rest.

Sometimes a show can go so wrong it retroactively sucks the fun out of past episodes.
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>>151289183
I pretty much had no problem with the episode other than the pacing. If it was five minutes longer it would have been golden.
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>>151289611
What main theme again?
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>>151290852
By 1
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>>151287295
The only thing that doesn't make sense yet is Nyunyu and why evil Mimi let them transform in the first place.

The first better be explained, and the second is probably just good Mimi forcing her way.
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>>151289805
The show is actually really good, but with some flaws. The magical and whimsical nature of the first half gives way to a more typical "doomsday plot and family drama" style plot that is common in a lot of anime.

"Whoa the secretive head of the organization is actually my dad!?"

Yeah, where have I seen that one before?

That said, the show is pretty strong and fun, even when it is being derivative and missing big opportunities. The art direction and use of color is a particular strong point, and while most people don't like the tonal shift starting at episode 9, Episodes 9, 10, and 11 have some of the most intense drama and "OH SHIT ITS FUCKING HAPPENING" moments in anime this year.

Episode 12 is the first time the show has legitimately been less than stellar, but even then, its still a solid 7/10 episode, mostly as a result of what feels like rushed pacing to set up the final episode.

The shows single biggest flaw is that it feels like too much is happening too fast. This is a show that seriously could have been a masterpiece with a larger budget and 2 cours. Like I honestly believe with a bigger budget and 2 cours, this could be one of the legendary greats of anime.

As it is now however, it is merely a very good, very fun anime with some nagging flaws that hold it back, and an episode 12 that is simply good.

Looking forward to Episode 13.
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>>151290416
>the early conrevo thread
Somewhat amusing when you consider that ConRevo had similar pacing issues towards the end.
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>>151289611
Oh god so much this. I really loved FliFla and it was perfect but it turned to shit
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>>151290926
>this stretching

The show is agreed by everyone to be beyond repair.
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>>151288848
>Yuuki Yuuna
>The creator's only commentary about S2 so far is that "There still won't be any male character"
Delusional.
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>>151290802
Not really since that same episode had Iro being ashamed of being called weird and Auntie encouraging her creativity. Iro's 'new' perspective is just what she would have been had she fulfilled her Aunt's promise and it's neither portrayed as a positive or negative thing. Cocona wanted to turn Iro back for selfish reasons.
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>>151290753
We don't need a new thread on page 3. This thread can still be used in page 10 you fucking newfag.
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>>151287753
Cocona needed somebody to relate to, and Evil Mimi was that.

Then Good Mimi came.

What's hard to understand
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>>151290898
I said one of them, and I'm talking about the theme of growing up and taking one's own decisions.

Cocona only started acting on her own after she was told to act on her own. That was really fucking stupid.
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>>151290909
>why evil Mimi let them transform in the first place.
Could be hubris, or she had her own keikaku that required all the shards being collected.
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>>151290989
>Not really since that same episode had Iro being ashamed of being called weird and Auntie encouraging her creativity.
Which was all taken away due to the duo's meddling and never given back.
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What was literally the point of Nyuyu???

She doesnt seem to even have any magical powers.
she just carries around a fucking glock that she doesnt even use to shoot people with
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>>151291030
We might see next episode. It doesn't matter that much since good Mimi can already appear if evil is distracted, or something like that.
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>everyone hates this show and it will be het
vs
>it didn't go how you wanted stop shitposting

i think we can all agree these two posters need to get a room and burn it with them inside
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>>151289772
>extremely hated

>implying anyone even knows about the show
>implying anyone enjoying it cares
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>>151291001
Reminder that only an actual newfag uses the word newfag, newfriend. Call him that if you want to look cool on the internet next time.
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>>151291072
>carries around a fucking glock
Didn't she just find it randomly in FF's warehouse.
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>>151291097
Stop using that excuse retard, nothing will justify making a thread while this one was on page 3.
>Don't insult me
You don't belong here.
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>>151291074
How can it end in het when there are literally zero males.
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So I just did a quick rewatch. Episode 12 is much much better if you watch it right after 10 and 11. If you watch all three in a row, it all feels like one big episode and the pacing and developments feel better.

The only part that bothers me now is Good Mimi interference being a bit rushed. It needed just a bit more for it to sink in and really trigger feels. What is interesting is that Evil Mimi actually noticed good mimi prescense and was all like "why are you here!"

I also couldnt help but notice was that the only thing that Good Mimi did was remove Evil Mimi brain washing. Evil Mimi removed Cocona and Papika ability to make choices on their own. Good Mimi simply removed that for them and gave Cocona a quick pep talk.

I am hoping for good things in episode 13.
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>>151291072
Loli in a microbikini. Every show should have one of those.
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>>151291072
>glock
No.
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>>151291143
Read the whole post, newfriend.
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>>151290958
at least flip flappers is using 4 episode out of his single cour to resolve everything unlike conrevo.

im not worried about flip flappers last episode and im sure this one won't be regarded as bad as some people do right now after next week
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Yayaka was lacking a Flip flapping transformation to be the best girl. Now that she have one, she's the bestest girl.
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>>151290988
>Lying on the internet
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>>151291172
What's so interesting about looking at Hidaka's ass anyway?
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>>151291248
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>>151291212
No need to hide behind excuses.
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>>151291074
>two
It's probably a single autist trying too hard to be the next big meme in the lines of sakurafish and accelspammer
making any real criticism of the show undiscernible from shitposting
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>>151291157
>Evil Mimi actually noticed good mimi prescense
I think she might also be talking to good Mimi here in Ep 11. Good Mimi isn't as present as she is 12, but she is clearly exerting her presence as she forces out the tear and tells Salt to stop her.
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>>151291157
The whole second half feels like one long episode. I have a feeling if you watch everything back to back you will get a much better impression of the show.

>
I also couldnt help but notice was that the only thing that Good Mimi did was remove Evil Mimi brain washing. Evil Mimi removed Cocona and Papika ability to make choices on their own. Good Mimi simply removed that for them and gave Cocona a quick pep talk.

Those are two aspects of Mimi/motherhood. Part of her wants to control and protect but the other part wants to give her the freedom she never had. Neither part of Mimi is wrong, they are just the extremes.

I thought it was handled well enough
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>>151290123
She was probably referring to Papikana jumping after her when she first tried to take baby Cocona away.

It's an amusing thought though.

>no need to knock
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>>151291237
Nope.
>There still won't be male characters
>Please look forward to the activities of the heroes
>[Takahiro]
Delusional.
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>>151291157
This. I see people complaining about Mimi giving Cocona that pep talk but she was the one who made her own choice and people don't exist separately from the influences of others.
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>>151291497
yes, but that said, I really do think it was sudden. Maybe it will be better with the next episode, but right now things seem not being given enough space or time to really resonate.
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>>151291497
Part of my issue with it was the fact that good Mimi abruptly asserted some kind of control without really any word or setup. It was just "and now good Mimi turns the PI into a cloverfield and fixes everything"

The actually conversations she had was good, but it felt like even the fact that she could subvert bad Mimi's control to the extent of changing the shape of PI came out of left field.
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>>151291497
I actually found the good mimi pep talk to be really touching. But it was too short and I wanted it to be a bit longer. It served its purpose plot wise though.
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>>151291604
>Part of my issue with it was the fact that good Mimi abruptly asserted some kind of control without really any word or setup.

Both Mimi are the same person, just different aspects. If one was controlling Cocona or Papika already then the other would also have access to that control.

it was just the one aspect of her personality overriding the other. It was her releasing the control so they could make their own decision.

You were watching the internal conflict of Mimi
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>people are actually surprised that a show that had shitposters since the beginning has dedicated shitposters
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>>151291604
Good Mimi and Evil Mimi are still the same person. Maybe she can rarely impose herself versus evil Mimi, but it isn't easy for her to do so? Maybe she has to capitalize on moments where Evil Mimi is very emotional "I dont need you anymore" tear with salt, or the DAI DAI DAI KIRAI against Papika.

Seems like good mimi shows up whenever Evil Mimi loses her composure, but this is only speculation.
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>tfw even the worst episode of this show is still good and the show is still better than every other show this season.

Fuck off shitposters, you lost.
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>>151291703
I think she only takes over when the plot needs her to
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>>151291072
Yayaka consolation prize
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>>151291618
I thought it was a bit too long. It was the only time that the episode let my attention wander, just because one or two lines seemed to be for the benefit of the audience and not Cocona.

I liked how they handled it though, basically saying that instead of controlling them giving your kid a push in the right direction is what a parent should do.

Salt neglected Cocona, Evil Mimi controls her, Good Mimi strikes the balance.

And Papika's her enabler.
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>>151291784
You're wrong on both counts.
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>>151291026
She started having resolve at episode 8. She broke down, and her good mum encouraged her back in this episode.
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>>151291788
B A D W R I T I N G
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>>151291947
really feeling that
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>>151291901
>She started having resolve at episode 8.
The show portrays this specific episode as the turning point of Cocona's character development, so I don't give a fuck.
>She broke down, and her good mum encouraged her back in this episode.
More like she told her to woman up and make her own choices, and that's what pushed Cocona to make her own choices. Not her own initiative, but being told to be independent.
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T-b-h Yuniko is a pretty bad writer too. Her portfolio is full of flops and mediocre shows. I always called on that one but then I got called a shitposter back then, when "supposedly" the show is "good".
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>>151286051
is that windows vista
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>>151291236
It's literally all I wanted from the episode. It's too bad we got more than that though.
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>>151289028
>>151288965
>>151289183
Everyone who has not simmilar oppinions to these is a obsolete mule
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>>151291978
She didn't dictate Cocona exactly how to be independent. She's just encouraging her, not ordering her.
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>>151291978
EvilMimi was the one who imprisoned Cocona and manipulated her into believing she was alone. GoodMimi simply took that control away. There's nothing wrong with hearing positive words from the ones you hold dear. GoodMimi didn't force Cocona, she simply gave her helping hand to make her own choices.

I'd compare it with Utena where Utena helped Anthy but didn't save her in a way.
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this episode was so fucking bad.

episode 6 showed so much potential and they just shit the fucking bed
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>>151292178
>>151292263
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>One side of Mimi wants to protect the daughter from all the danger and damage she always knew
>The other wants to give her the freedom she never had
They handled Mimi with majesty, and that character development also added to the theming of the show
If you think this episode was bad you dont know good art
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>>151292404
Mimi is not a main character you know
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>>151292439
I do
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>>151292443
and how they did with the main characters?
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>>151292331
Hello, liborek.
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>>151292380
Yeah, she's just encouraging her.
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>>151292460
Are you fucking kidding me?
Cocona thought that she had fucked up a lot by being reckless, so much she thought she bought into the "Im not able to makje decisions" thing
When in reality all what she needed was encouragement from her mother.
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>>151292646
why you have to be so mad? that was an honest question.
Cocona wasn't given enough time to think over her mom's encouragement so that attitude change felt rushed.
Papika's got no development.
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>>151292646
These millennial trashes are so used to the Western postmodern nu-parents they've been brought up by, they don't know how real parents used to use their superior role to order children around.
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>>151292714
She did clearly noticed that what the other Mimi was doing was basically the opposit of what she wanted
And I relaly dont care if Papika didnt got development, the other characters gained enough to make the experience great, Papika was a fun character to be around.
Also im just a pissed off person in general
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>>151292404
What the hell anon. Didn't we already tell you to activate it?
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>>151292758
Use "millennial" label to whine about everyone younger than you, be they 15, 22, or 35.
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>>151292831
I dont see a point on doing so
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