>decides to watch eva again >tries dubs to spice things

Is she really that bad. I remember watching the dub as a kid thinking it was pretty good actually, I thought the guy who played Shinji did a good job.

>>151038965
*?

>>151038965
she over over-dramatises every line which cheapens the delivery. You aren't meant to cringe in the Rei Room your meant to feel shock and 'oh shit.' But she's so over the top it just comes off as if she has bi polar

Been several months since I last watched the dub but I don't recall her being particularly bad. I think it is likely more you than her

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>>151039170
>it just comes off as if she has bi polar

The sub she is more autistic, so I can see how bi polar is overacting.

>>151039769
Yamaguchi's performance was platinum. She's tired, feeling sullied, and it's old horror to her. She's not confessing, her verve is proportionate to how much she cares beyond assassinating Rei's character to Shinji as part of killing as much Rei as she can.

>>151038757
>>151040320
I felt that Ritsuko's character was the most disgusting person in the entire show. She was directly responsible for much of the pain caused to the other characters, especially the pilots, while at the same time being the least justified for using her own troubles as an excuse for her horrible actions.

Pretty much an autistic sociopath that deserved a much more horrible ending than what she got.

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>>151040825
Ritsuko's hells of accessory but that's pretty much it for her responsibility for everybody suffering, she was in middle school during Second Impact, there were already Evas and Rei when she started at Gehirn. For a lot of her appearances she's representing NERV policies to Misato as an avatar Misato can beat in the face and yell at and she accepts it guiltily, then in her scenes with Gendo she's the one raising any ethics or concern for the Children at all. Worst she did was keep her mouth shut, she's about half a Fuyutsuki in that area. Cuntiest she did was treat Rei as a person who could be murdered in jealousy for Gendo to show how much less than that he thought of Rei.

sweet jesus its an anti-at field

I've never heard the dub. Anyone have a link to the audio only?

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Don't forget that Ritsuko also made fun of Shinji for him not being able to recall how his mother really died.

She was, in all cases, a fucking cunt.

>>151042615
is from an artbook?

>>151042582
are you actually retarded?

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>>151042615
She tells Shinji something he's known all along to set him up for the directly related revelations she called him down to make, she doesn't make a joke. Her cunty fun was sending him to Rei's apartment and the jabs at Misato's home life.

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>>151038757
>watching dubs
I can't people actually do this.

the eva dub honestly isn't too bad

I watched it years ago back when I was a dumb newfag who thought subtitles were for nerds

it's serviceable

>>151046172
The thing that salvages the dub, at least for me, is Freeman's commentary after the show.

>>151046172
It's a fucking terrible dub

>>151046470
Yes, it is. Now.

Back when it was dubbed, back in 199-fucking-8, the dub was vastly superior to most of what was out there.

Seriously, go back to the dubs of 1998 and see how much worse most of the others are.

It's aged very, very poorly, which is a testament to the massive increase in dub quality. A lot of them are still shit, but compared to the old days...

>>151043638
If it wasn't clear, I was after the audio files only, not the complete video as I already have great copies of those.

>>151046567
>go back to the dubs of 1998
Cowboy Bebop, Sailor Moon, Yugioh?
They were all a lot better than fucking Eva's dub.

>>151046567
It's not like people started taking animation and voice acting more seriously after Eva.

>>151046604
Cowboy Bebop wasn't dubbed in 1998. Yugioh wasn't yet adapted into an anime. (at least not the Duel Masters one), much less dubbed. The only Sailor Moon dub at that time was the DiC one, and while that one too was at the cream of the crop... well... it ain't all that hot either.

>tfw watched dub Evangelion as a kid
>tfw can't even listen to original because of how deep the dub digged into my mind
>watch dub with subtitles to not miss anything
seriously, I just can't handle the original, it seems so shitty, most of the dialogues are bland, of course at the end when series take serious tone it's quite good, but still I just can't

>>151038757
You liar.

I liked dub Kaji, Kaworu, Shinji, Misato (at some moments), Asuka sounded too mature but emotionally right

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>>151046882
Which dub Kaworu? Greg Ayres? Because he's the only decent one.

>>151046455
>is Freeman's commentary after the show.

Yes. That is gold.

>>151046604
>>151046774
I like that people in an Eva thread are praising DiC Sailor Moon.

>>151046823
The dub has serious flaws, but I get what you mean as it gives serious personality to the cast that often was barely there in the original.

Shinji especially comes off as a much more sympathetic character, much less girly and more willing to speak his mind, while being a relateably clumsy dork. Japanese Shinji is just unnervingly complacent, which is the point, but I see why it wouldn't feel the same after the dub.

The side characters are terribly acted, but the interpretation of the main cast is interesting in its own right.

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>>151045080
>He watches anime dubbed in Japanese

I actually prefer the dub to the original. Almost everyone did a great job.

>>151047670
The main draw of the dub is Asuka's english VA. I think she's just flat-out better.

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>>151047684

>>151047670
I think Spike Spencer did a great job at voicing shinji, he's a pretty cool guy too.

>>151047692
She sounds like a 50-year old chainsmoker. How the fuck could you think she's better?

>>151047739
I think her delivery is much more expressive than japanese Asuka.

>>151047798
Then you're fucking deaf because Miyamura brought life and realism to Asuka.

>>151047739
That's the only flaw, she sounds too old for a 13 year old, but character is well handled (of course, Miyamura is much better at more emotional scenes, such as Asuka's death)

>>151047822
I disagree.

>>151047848
Then you need to have your ears chopped off because you obviously aren't putting them to good use.

Anyone who prefers the shitshow of a dub which blatantly used mistranslations, misinterpretations of characters/scenes, and overall just made the show sound like a comedy with that ridiculous "acting" over based legends like Mitsuishi, Hayashibara, Ogata, Miyamura, and Ishida needs to have their dick chopped off and forcibly shoved into their mouth.
I can't believe I share a board with retards like you.

>>151047897
I disagree.

>>151047931
Then you can't say you like Eva, you can't say you're an Eva fan, and you certainly can't say you watched Eva.
The dub and all those who support it make a mockery of the franchise.

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>>151047897
あなたは日本語を話しますか？

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>>151048006
当たり前でしょう？だからこそ英語の吹き替えるのが気にならないよ。

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>>151047897
I prefer the dub, what cha gonna do bitch?

>>151048100
Suck your dick until you nut so hard you die

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>>151048055
はいわかりました

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>>151048138
日本語に苦手だというのは明らかだが、よくやってみたな。
It's obvious you don't really know Japanese, but at least you tried.
Asuka is shit, by the way.

>dubs
>ever

You asked for it.

>>151048224
This.

>>151048224
I'd argue that Spice and Wolf dub is better than original.
Also Haruhi - english Kyon is so much better.

>>151048282
Spice and wolf, maybe. But even then some people think Holo sounds so awful they can't stand it. Haruhi no way, even if Kyon sounds passable, just not even close to the same experience for me.

>>151048120
gaaaaaaaay

>>151038757
Have you tried recording yourself speaking something? Maybe some everyday conversation.

Then try to match your voice to the expression of the drawn character.

I would argue that it's not that simple.

>watching dubs
>for any reason whatsoever

anon please dont do this

The Japanese voice work might be equally dreadful to a native speaker, I don't fucking know. But I much prefer blissfull ignorance and subs rather than hearing some middle aged American woman harp on about whatever inane anime I happen to be watching.

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Eva dub is bad mainly because of mistranslations. Although I grew up with it and can't totally hate it. I like Spencer's Shinji more than Ogata's (probably because I just don't like Megumi, she's too autistic), and Tiffany Grant sounds livelier in 2nd act when the series turn into this middle-school romantic comedy. But of course in general the original is better. When I watched EoE in original for the first time I thought I'd just vomit, because of how kimouchi warui I felt. The original dramatic delivery is much better then dub.

>>151048560
Nah I'm still gonna watch dubs, allows me to know whats going on whilst i work.

>>151048282
>Also Haruhi - english Kyon is so much better.
I will never understand you people.

>watching dubs
better check them

>>151048543
Wow great argument. The old "ya well u can't do better". He also isn't a paid professional voice actor jackass, it's literally their career to do a decent job dubbing voices and it's never the case. You can blame salaries or whatever, but saying "you can't do better" doesn't make them any less shit. If a pro quarterback goes 0-16, just saying "well playing QB at a NFL level is difficult" doesn't mean he doesn't suck ass.

>>151048208
>last sentence
Now you're just being an obnoxious Reifag shit and projecting to boot.

>>151050368
>reifag
>not recognizing the main kawoshit faggot of this board

Eva's dub is nowhere near as bad as everyone says it is.

It true that some of the voices are awful like Maya's and Fuyutski's, but there are also some voices that are equal or superior to the original audio such as Rei's, Yui's and Asuka's.

Shinji's dub voice falls into the "just okay" category. It does a good job of portraying him as a spineless beta, but it misses the underlying sociopathic tone that was in the Japanese audio.

Overall, the dub is neither great nor shit, it's just serviceable. Believe me when I say that there are worse dubs out there.

>>151050384
Kaworufags like Asuka

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>>151050368
Grow a fucking backbone, you pussy.

>>151050469
>it's just serviceable.
Not with all the mistranslations, change in tone and all the appropriations of the sake of dub team's amusement.

>>151045080
I think all nips sound the same except for a select few so I tend to lean towards dubs.

>>151046455
>AWWW DOES THE BUS COME THROUGH HERE?
>AM I REAL?

>>151051025
Tends to be the point. Dubs run the gamut from good to bad. Subs, you'll never know the difference, unless they're speaking poorly in another language or it's something REALLY fucking obvious.

>>151051025
>>151051103
Only shows you're not used to it.
>REALLY
You clearly don't belong here.

>>151051225
I've been watching anime since the early 90s, I think they all sound the same.

I like that in the dub Asuka speaks German instead of utter gibbrish

>>151051056
Don't forget this classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyQ6dHsG3I

>>151051343
I like how dub Asuka is a crazy Asuka fan. You seen a picture of that bitch's house?

>>151050469
>but it misses the underlying sociopathic tone that was in the Japanese audio

That's kind of what I was saying before. Dub Shinji comes across as a more empathetic person, which is a positive and negative in different ways.

>>151051722
It's the opposite for me.
Dub Shinji sounds like an annoying whiny faggot who I wanted to punch in the face.
Whereas sub Shinji sounded like a qt girl, so I wanted to protect him.

>German character
>speaks terrible German
>just terrible
>but speaks perfect japanese
yeah, sure, original was good
Yuko didn't even try

>>151052645
Pretty sure Asuka is hafu
I mean her name is fucking Asuka

>>151052854
She's 1/4th Japanese, 1/4th Americans, and 2/4ths German.
She's a fucking mixed breed mutt.

>>151052854
She's 1/4 Japanese, 1/4 German and 2/4 either German or American. She lost her half Japanese mother at the age of 4 and was raised in Germany. Pretty sure she should be more fluent in it that in Japanese. She can't even read kanji after all

>>151052230
>Dub Shinji sounds like an annoying whiny faggot who I wanted to punch in the face.

So the dub nailed it?

>>151040825
Ritsuko was actually one of the better people in NGE, she knew a lot of what was really going down but also knew she'd get killed if she started revealing the facts. Anything she did that seemed bad was really because Gendo and Seele had her pinned against a wall, forcing her to take desperate measures.

Her only real personal problems were her complex with her mother and relationship with Gendo. The rivalry with mom wasn't too unhealthy and actually drove her to success. Gendo was pulling her strings and had intentionally ruined both Ritsuko and Naoko's lives so that he could get them out of the picture when his plan reached fruition.

>>151051343
Tiffany Grant is a fluent German speaker. They really couldn't have cast a better dub VA for Asuka than her.

>>151053300
>>151053234
What do you call a half hafu? Kotaa?

>>151048138
Holy shit that pic is giving me shivers. Saved.

>>151050469
>It does a good job of portraying him as a spineless beta, but it misses the underlying sociopathic tone that was in the Japanese audio.
This. As much as I like Freeman, Shinji without teh beast isn't Shinji.

>>151038965

She's so bad that one of her lines is forever stuck in my head.

>NOT EVEN WHEN YOU MAKE LOVE TO ME!

I can still cringe to the delivery just thinking about it.

>>151042615
Would bang though.

>>151054110
A mutt.

>>151054110
A 2.2.

>>151038965
I personally love the dub.

It's a train wreck at the start, but as the actors find their characters, Misato, Ritsuko and Asuka really do a great job.

It's not for everyone though.

>>151048572
Don't hate on black Hygua and monotone "sweethesusitsanantiATfield" Fuyutsuki

>>151056468
*read

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>>151055223
I'll never forgive them for turning her into a man.

>>151038965
Spike Spencer, Tiffany Grant, and Allison Keith all do a pretty great job and understand their characters really well. The rest are a mixed bag. Eva's definitely got a higher mid-tier English dub but the Japanese dub is just near-perfect so it's hard to compete.

Also I have no idea why they casted the bitch who does Rei from 2.22 onwards. She even admitted she'd never watched or even heard of Eva and didn't do so before the recording despite 2.0 being a sequel. How can someone expect to make an acting career if they're unabashedly lazy with their work?

>>151056570
Longer hair is impractical if you're constantly doing engineering work on a giant flying battleship, and you'd have no time to style it when not meeting the deadline means the end of humanity.

Also her and Maya are almost openly gay for each other now that Gendo's out of the picture so she's gotta look the role of the domineering butch.

>>151056603
Because the original voice of Rei directed the dub for EoE, which was fucking terrible.
She was also insane.

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>this must be wrong hoW CAN SHINJI'S SINC RATIO WITH UNIT 01 BE OVER 400% PERCENT

Fucking dreadful

>lets put a loud woman voice a character who's mostly reserved and soft spoken

>>151048282
Crispin Freeman has the same boring voice he uses in everything, but he does it well so he gets away with it. All the more shocking when it turns out he voiced Sundowner in Metal Gear Rising.

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>>151056570
I'll never forgive them for removing her arc altogether and giving the exposition bombs to Fuyutsuki.

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So, what happens to adults after EoE
Like, we've got our kids who found the courage to go on living and thus grew up
What about actual grown ups?

>>151057575
I liked him best as Albedo in Xenosaga.

>>151057816
Yui ate Gendo and floated off into space. The rest stayed in Tang.

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>>151057816
There were no actual grown ups in the world, those two were already the most emotionally mature people left anywhere.

>>151058041
No if they had the will to live on they were able to reform back to their human form

>>151057816
Many will eventually come out from the LCL, including adults.

>>151058177
>>151058249
>implying anyone in eva was adult or had wille to live

>>151058338
There are people that exist beyond the main characters you know. People that aren't mentally ill.

>>151057816
I wanna believe that Misato realized she loved Kaji for who he was and the two of them eventually washed up somewhere away from the kids. I'm sure lots of people will leave out of spite, being pissed that their lives suddenly ended. Others will reject instrumentality out of sheer will like Shinji and Asuka did because they didn't want to be part of the singularity.

>>151058041
Yui rejected Gendo and effectively killed his soul because of how shitty of a person he had been since she died. "So this is my punishment". Yui drives the point that it will be a lonely existence being alone in space and ultimately being the last human soul in existence.

>>151058380
People who aren't mentally ill would be happy to be in instrumentality because all of their flaws are filled by other souls, resulting in a perfect existence where everyone is in harmony.

>>151058622
>People who aren't mentally ill would be happy to be in instrumentality
No dude, it's the opposite. People who are mentally ill want to stay in instrumentality because human interaction is too painful for them.
People who are sane and healthy wouldn't like being in Instrumentality because they can no longer experience the happiness they felt in reality.

>>151058737
>No dude, it's the opposite. People who are mentally ill want to stay in instrumentality because human interaction is too painful for them.
Instrumentality is constant human interaction without the hedgehog's dilemma. Shinji personally leaves because his struggles led him to believe that dealing with the pain of interpersonal relationships is a necessary part of intimate relationships. Normal people would be happy that they no longer have any barriers separating them from other people which would essentially keep them in a constant state of happiness.

>>151058897
>Instrumentality is constant human interaction without the hedgehog's dilemma.
>a constant state of happiness.
Did you even watch Eva?
In EoE Shinji and Rei clearly fucking state that you can neither feel happiness nor sorrow in Instrumentality. You can't feel anything, you're absolutely stagnant. You're nothing.

Normal people wouldn't be happy like that, the only ones who would choose that are those who will do anything to escape pain.

>>151057546
Rei's dub voice in NGE and EOE was absolutely perfect, though.

>>151060860
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the person who voiced her is nuts

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>>151060914
And this is supposed to be bad? For playing Rei?

>>151061255
She apparently caused a lot of problems for ADV

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>>151061524
How unexpected.

>>151060914
Rei's supposed to be schizophrenic, so it fits pretty well.

>>151061524
Wasn't she also one of the founders or key people from ADV who scouted a ton of talent for them on her own? It's pretty funny if it ended up with her fucking them over.

>>151062907
Rei's not made of strong convictions, she has exactly one that she starts second-guessing, micro expressions, and inarticulate little feelings she dissects in private. Dub Rei sounded like a Terminator.

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>>151038757
Italiandub a best.

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>>151056727
Not an argument.

>>151064084
You're just mad because now your waifu is canonically a homo.

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>>151064482
Nah, waifu is Misato. I just can't get over how hideous Ritsuko is now.

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What happened?

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>try to watch Yugioh Arc-V dub for shits and giggles
>mfw

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Is Evangelion literally The Catcher in the Rye of our (neon) generation?

>>151038757

>tries dubs to spice things up
You have only yourself to lame anon.

>>151038965

>Shinji did well
That's it, I'm out of here. This is the post that made me leave 4chan forever.

>>151068257
Thank God, farewell, anon
see you tomorrow

>>151067423
> Ritsuko started bleaching her hair just to look less like her mother, who had the exact same natural color
It's little details that make NGE so enjoyable to watch.

>>151047670
Dub Shinji is awful and the main reason that people dislike him. His Japanese voice makes him sound like an insecure boy, while the dub goes full pubertal screechy emo faggot.

>>151068117
It's nothing like Catcher in the Rye

>>151068924

The original Shinji sounds like a 14 year old kid. Not surprising since Ogata Megumi plays those roles all the time. While dub Shunji sounds like a 30 year old man trying to talk through his nose to sound younger. And just comes off as whining and apathetic.

>>151042615
>that pic
Still hot tho.

>>151068924
Even better, Ogata plays him as an insecure boy making excuses, then the same voice with half a roar under it when he's challenged on them. She makes him straight up sound like repressed anger and cognitive dissonance, best shonen screams.

Dub Asuka is so unlikable.

>>151057546
Amanda Winn-Lee seemed pretty proud of EoE after listening to the commentary for it.

>>151076729
I like how she's so disliked she even got chased out of Evageeks.

>>151076729
>>151077005
I thought she was a very good Rei though.

>>151077054
>I thought
Well there's your problem.

>>151077054
see >>151077277

>>151077277
>>151077338
Yeah. It's my opinion, it's subjective, unless you have a quantifiable way of proving/measuring it through data. It's just like how I think Dub Asuka was too bitchy compared to the original VA.

TV dub cannot be taken serious, it has occasional moments where it's laughably bad but other than that it's atrocious.
I watched EoE dubbed however and found it watchable, and even still enjoyable. I was really surprised that most of the main character voice actors had improved as much as they did.
I still think sub is better of course, but I was impressed with the noticeable change from TV to EoE.

>>151077396
Tiffany Grant was fine, even if only for the fact that during the parts when Asuka speaks German she's actually speaking German.

>>151068117
Holden Caufield isn't even an introvert, he's just a bit of an unstable sociopath.

Shinji is a completely introverted character who has turned himself so far inward that the outside world is like background noise to him.

>>151046172
This I guess

I started watching Eva with the dub because subs, to me, are last resort. If there is no dub, then sure, I'll watch subs. I just don't feel like reading, I want to focus completely on what I'm watching

Why are modern dubs so fucking terrible, particularly form the west coast? Is it all the people's they've been bringing in from amateur voice acting websites or is there more to it?

>>151079573
>the west coast

There's your answer.

>>151079573
Dub quality has gone down thanks to few dubbing companies monopolies and low standards.

>>151076729
Yeah, proud of completely fucking it up.
I don't even mind the dub actors at all, and can enjoy the series itself dubbed. But EoE dub is a colossal mess and should never be watched, if only to avoid the horrible stock watermelon splat when Misato shot that one dude in the head and the horrible mistranslations that pepper the whole thing.

>>151081653
>companies monopolies and low standards

It's because voice acting in the the US is considered a joke of a profession and pays about as much as a mcdonald's worker. It doesn't have the prestige it has in japan and so the only people who do it are people who just want some quick cash or love what they do.

>>151082348
Plus the few people with any real talent tend to go to English-first works (generally video games) anyway

>>151082421
That's what happened to Steve Blum, he went to video games because they actually pay you decently.

>>151038965
The dub is pretty bad in the beginning and acceptable by EoE. The original Japanese is always better though.

>>151038757
>>151039007
It's like you didn't even hear Yui

a lot of the actors in the dub aren't great but I prefer the english voices for Rei and Misato.

>>151050469
>Yui's
It feel like someone was drilling into my ears with a screw driver

>>151053768
Nailed it at the end of the series, but lost it in EoE because Megumi Ogata played him much angrier and more stubborn while Spike Spencer played him much whinier and weaker and much easier to sympathize with when going through that shitty situation.