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Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans

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>His smile and optimism gone
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>>150819334
well he witnessed one of the weakest beams in gundam history, can you blame him?
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Local man can not stop fucking up.
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someone please explain the Julietta = monkey joke art
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>>150819550
It was pretty powerful. Enough that even its deflected dregs were enough to completely raze a pretty sizeable area of farmland.

The Nanolaminate Armor that IBO MS' wear is just designed specifically to protect against it. And even then, it still burned the thing out something good.

>>150819619
She climbs all over stuff, and Iok calls her a monkey?
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>>150819651
>Iok calls her a monkey
this never happened
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I fucking love this guy
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>>150819660
Yes it did watch the first episode
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>meant to be a fighting episode
>over 60% yammering

this never ceases to amaze me how boring IBO gets
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>>150819550
I guess most beam weapons in Gundam are ridiculously weak, I-field cancels them after all and anti-beam reduce their effect by a lot
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>>150819334
THIS DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!!! Why doesn't someone just KILL HIM? He's a danger to everyone.
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>>150819550
It's 300 year old technology. The armor they have now can take it. Go find a 300 year old rifle and shoot some body armor with it, see what happens.
Blade tails and drills however are eternal.
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>>150819705
somehow, even when important plot points happen, they still manage to throw in filler, nothing short of amazing.
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>>150819705
>>150819774
You guys really don't know what "Filler" means, do you? Are your attention spans really so pathetic?
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mobile armors confirmed for the true heroes of the show
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>>150819808
Filler: Pointless driveling that is not entertaining. IBO is filled with that, therefore filler is a proper term to use.
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>>150819878
Are you really that stupid? You don't even know what the word "filler" means when talking about anime?
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>>150819672
even mikazuki is afraid
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>>150819709
METARU GEAR??
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>>150819951
sounds like he's mixing up filler with padding and yes this show is mostly padding
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>>150820042
who?
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>>150819760
Old rifles would still fuck modern body armor up, the rounds were huge if slower than today. It's just a matter of hitting anything.
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>>150820016
no, he's aroused by all the murder, probably fapped with his good arm between teleporting from Orga to Kud.
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what does Japan think so far?
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>>150820045
Padding, yes. Filler, no.
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>>150820174
He has Atra for that.
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>>150820221
They don't care.
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>>150819672
I love him too, I honestly don't know why anyone would hate him.
I love his murder antics and how he is so deadpan.
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>>150819334
>this week, irrelevant shit character somehow gets worse
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>>150820221
The best anime in history.
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>>150820311
you're being sarcastic
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>>150820313
Jewdelia didn't do anything wrong.
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>>150819705
>over 60% yammering
>less than five minutes of MA doing something
>straigh up followed by exposition, which in turn is followed by conference
>the rest is basically the writers trying to stall for time to wrap up the 20 weekly minutes

Might as well watch Dragon Ball Super.
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I wanted the beam to fuck mobile suits up.
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>>150820365
No I honest to god love Mika.
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so to clarify, the antithesis to Gundams and Mobile Suits is now legit confirmed to be Zoids?
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>>150820311
He's a monster and barely (if even) human.
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>>150820377
>still thinking she's jewish
>>150820416
>Might as well watch Dragon Ball Super.
Which has better animation and pacing
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>>150819808
Filler is definitely the wrong word, padded should be the one used here.
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>>150819760
Old riffle caliber are stupidly high. Great penetration with accuracy as the cost.
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>>150820419
Characters with a name can't die that easily, anon. This isn't a Tomino show.
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>>150820464
that would make the period jokes work better, better not use it
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>>150820453
The meme could have died, but she's literally a finance expert now, taking care of Mika's shekels.
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>>150820311
>I love his murder antics and how he is so deadpan.
Same. I love how he is apathetic toe everything. Kind of reminds me to myself in that regard
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>>150820440
Why is he a monster, because he killed people in battle?
By that logic almost every gundam MC is a monster.
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>>150820550
Ooooh edgy edgy
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>>150820423
Me too anon. Most fun protag since Setsuna.
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>>150820550
>Orga and Mika aren't gay, guys. I swear!
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>>150820550
Yeah, but he looks cool doing it.
Unlike you, wienie.
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>>150820494
Half of Tomino's stuff don't have named character deaths either.
>>150820534
not relevant
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>>150820614
Mika isn't edgy tho
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>>150820586
>Why is he a monster, because he killed people in battle?
It's the ones outside of battle he murders, pay attention.
>>150820639
Murderzuki does nothing fun, Setsuna at least has something resembling an arc.
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>>150820042
It certainly was nowhere as exciting as Ray.
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>>150819334
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Will Eugene find true love? I think he deserves it after putting in all this work.
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>>150820550
How long until he realizes peace and understanding is better than war and uses his 1337 piloting skills to nonlethally KO all enemies?

>All of our mobile suits have been destroyed!
>But there are no pilot casualities!
>M-Masaka! Just who's piloting that Gandamu Furamu?!
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What is the name of the blue Rig Contio ?
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>>150820494
It's not even like that many more named characters die in an average Tomino show. He's just way more callus about just deleting them from existence than Okada & Co.
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>>150820520
>that would make the period jokes work better

IRON PADDED MENSTRUATIONS
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>>150820586
>in battle
He'd be willing do kill every last human in the universe if Orga told him it'd get him where "they were supposed to be" (he has no idea what that means - the story is unfolding such that it obviously is going to be revealed that it doesn't and never did mean anything, and that happiness and a home was what they abandoned for these absurd and needlessly ambitious dreams of grandeur, which none of them *actually* care about).

That's evil.
Evil is willing to disregard every other person's lives for their own selfish goals.
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>>150820792
IRON BLOODED OVARIES NEED PADS

Damnit now I'm doing it!
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>>150820716
>It's the ones outside of battle he murders, pay attention.
You mean like the guy who sent those pirates at Tekkadan and put everyones lives in danger?
You gotta lay down the law anon, you gotta show that if you mess with tekkadan you're gonna pay for what you did one way or another.
If you don't people will never stop coming at you.
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>>150820846
>>150820792
>calling it Iron Menstruation was actually effective
>>150820904
>You gotta lay down the law anon
What law? Murder is illegal and it is obvious the space rats are gangsters at this point.
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>>150820768
Eugene deserve a good dicking.
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>>150820042
Fucking filters.
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>>150819334
The acting was so fucking bad. In my head I couldn't help but compare his weak ass breakdown to Dilandau's in the same situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNp_W_ozVx4
Sunrise just doesn't give a shit about IBO. How sad.
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>>150820980
People will use whatever illegal means to fuck with the tekkadan, they are just defending themselves.
If they didn't kill the people who they murdered they would probably be dead as well.
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>>150821028
I want too see Eugene suffer. I want Orga and Shino to both cuck and abandon him.
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>>150820768
He loves the Isaribi.
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>Kudelia won't pussy out and go hide in the shelter
>"okie dokie."

Sugoi Kudelia knows the value of putting your balls where your mouth is, or something like that.

also Mika having complete faith in his ability to murder that giant bird.
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>last week people mad about beams
>this week people mad the beams aren't overpowered
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>>150820550
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor?
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>>150821121
Is the schwalbe graze only for space or something? These people go through mobile suits really fast.
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>>150820768
I volunteer my vagina for tribute.
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>Ride put up a better fight against the Plumas than the Gjallarhorn faggots Iok had with him

Why are Martian child soldiers best?
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>this machine does nothing but murder humans
>it's so beautiful
Goddamnit it Mika.
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>>150821258
Boys don´t have vagina.
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>>150821229
Makes you wonder if there's more than one group of people watching the show, doesn't it?
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>>150821228
>passing off her stupidity as bravery
>hindsight bias to justify why Mika didn't just knock her ass out and drag her to the shelter by her ridiculous hair

Kudelia is cancer, may she perish in fire soon.
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>>150821258
Men don't have vaginas, faggot.
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>>150821341
yes, recotards and normal people
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>>150821330
Setsuna: I am Gundam
Mikazuki: I am Mobile Armor
You heard it here first.
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>>150821258
>>150821346
Fuck, can I volunteer my hand then?
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>>150821330
>sole purpose was to kill humans

Sort of like Mika
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>>150821330
I know that got a good chuckle out of me.
Mika is seriously the best.
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>>150821330
> MA-senpai will win the Mikabowl
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>>150820768
Eugene's fate is laying in bed as a braindead veggie because he keeps trying to be cool piloting spaceships with his tiny brain.
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>>150821422
>hand
No.
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>>150820769
Mikazuki knows full well that negotiations and peaceful routes are superior. But these are not his specialties. As seen when he had to non-lethally capture the pirate captain.
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>>150820712

Sure, and neither was Heero Yuy, who Mikazuki is literally a carbon copy of. Both of them display no emotion, pilot Gundam so good, and blindly follow orders like a fucking robot.
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>>150821293
I bet older Ride is going to be an hottie.
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>>150821330
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>>150821330
The OP's starting to make more and more sense.
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>>150821229
go big or go home
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how 2 character arc 4 mikazuki XD
>snatch up one (or both) of his waifus
>orga is incapacitated or some shit
>now mika must make own decision
>make up situation where problem cant be solved through murder
profit?
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>>150821597
>The OP's starting to make more and more sense.
What do you mean?
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>>150821580
>reminder that now we'll never get to see this
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>>150821330
I like that they're playing it like so. Not sure what they're aiming for, but I like it. The contrast between the stone cold, remorseless killer and the stoic but far from emotionless guy who loves his friends, take and apprentice, and accept chocolate from pedos gives Mika a lot of depth.
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>>150821707
>Mika a lot of depth.
those words do not go together
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>>150821565
>this stale meme

Fuck off, Wingfag, Heero was a failure and weak and their circumstances are completely different. Your only point of comparison is stoicism.
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>>150821695
Thank god, they look like shit except Anston and maybe Yamagi.
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>>150821707
>Loves his... apprentice
>"He's annoying."
I'm not sure what your definition of "Love" is, but whatever Mika feels towards Hush, it ain't that.
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>>150821695
Thank god.

Takaki knew better than being a murdering hobo.
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>>150821770
>not wanting the shota crew timeskip
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>>150821695
Man, Takaki must be living the life with his cute imouto right now. Fuck tekkadan and that mobile armor shit.
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>>150821840
I wouldn't mind it per se, it's just that Ride doesn't look very good in there.
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>>150821761
>Heero was a failure and weak and their circumstances are completely different.
cool trolling
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>>150821778
I didn't say that, like, not even remotely.
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>>150821887
>Suit
What's Takaki's job anyway?
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I now miss beam spam
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>>150821293
I want to Ride Mass transit
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>>150819760
>Go find a 300 year old rifle and shoot some body armor with it, see what happens.

It would still hurt like fuck, kinetic energy would still be there.
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>>150821963
Male Escort
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>>150821707
As deep as the kiddie pool
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>>150821761
The truth hurts, doesn't it? The only thing keeping this series interesting is the mech design, what little of it we actually get. Even then, the series seems to be mostly used to push plamo -- honestly, I'm not really complaining about that, because that's the only good thing about it. Bandai is designing kits by the dozens (which is why Gjallerhorn has a new suit every five seconds and the research & development timeline for all factions is nonexistent) and incremental upgrades (rebake and rebake full city, Barbatos) ensure that new models will continue to flood their pockets with money.

You have to be able to set aside your bias and look at things objectively, anon. This is a hit for mechs and a miss for protagonists.

I'd put fifty bucks on Mika having a complete mental breakdown at some point to "break his stoic mask" just like Heero had at the end of Endless Waltz.
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>>150821887
>choosing to be helpless and put the burden of responsibility on others over fighting to secure what you want

When her school gets blown up by Arbrau radicals, I hope Takaki's suicide note reads "It's my fault."
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>>150821963
Same as Eugenene.

Officer beauty.
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>>150819334

I'm eagerly waiting for Iok's brutal death
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>>150822087
The sheer level of delusion evident in this post is a thing to behold.
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>>150821963
>What's Takaki's job anyway?
Iznario needed another blond friend after last one broke.
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>>150822008
So, why did Sayla abandon her son in this universe?
He seems like a good kid to me.
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>>150821229

Way to call out people on their bullshit
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>>150822189
I'm not, he's cool compared to a lot of chumps we're forced to follow
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>>150821919
I want to take Yamagi to that beautiful beach again.
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>>150822199
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>>150822089
Fuck off, he made a responsible life choice, his imouto is his only family.

Dying randomly as a pawn on someone chess is not how you protect your imouto.
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>>150821963
Emptying ash trays in Makanai's office.
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>>150822087
>self-projection being presented as evidence of truth
>broad-spectrum generalization

I sure hope you're popular on tumblr or someplace where that shit is accepted as being worthy of debate. Take your (You) and fuck off.
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>>150822263
And thus, Takaki has proven why people with attachments make bad soldiers. If this was the army, he wouldn't be able to just bail like that. The army would pull strings for him to get a good job either. He should be forever thankful to his bros at Tekkadan.
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>>150822246
Yes anon, I know. But it's just so easy to bite at. See?

>>150822290 went for it too.
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>>150821707
I'm hoping for a bad end.
I'm *REALLY* hoping for a bad end.
That would be the most satisfying conclusion, because that's exactly how it's setting up.
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why does Hashmal have such subpar beam rifle level beaming?
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>>150822067
>>150821750
I just think it's an improvement compared to most Gundam protags who killed their enemies in the morning, cried like little girls, then went to eat breakfast.
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>>150822383
>He should be forever thankful to his bros at Tekkadan.
Well he is, doesn't mean he has to put his life on the line.
Especially when you have someone who's waiting for you and means the world to you.
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>>150822500
that is called being humane
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>>150822573
"Humane" is just a dirty word for "pussy".
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>>150822622
sure it is, kid
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>>150822465
Unless they go for a third season we won't get a bad end.The worst that will probably happen is that both Mika and Orga wind up dying.
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>>150822633
You know it is, hippie.
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>>150822573
It's not very humane to just get over it so quickly, either it messes you up or not. And when it does, you don't get to just eat the breakfast.
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Chris-chan would be a better gundam protagonist than Murderzuki and he's a sonic fan.
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>>150822643
I don't know why you'd conclude that senpai - things could definitely bad-end as things stand.

I'm really hoping Mika and Orga die - I hope Orga dies first though so that I can see Mika trying to act without Orga. It would be nasty, brutal, and short - it would be great.
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>>150821565
Uhm... Heero wasn't emo. He was however, way more fucked up then Mika, in a way. In the OVA/Movie, we get to see what Heero was like in the past, before all the brainwashing/conditioning.
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People praising Mika miss the whole point of the anime.For all the other flaws of this series the writers do go out of their way to show that Mika is messed up.
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>>150822842
>He was however, way more fucked up then Mika
Not even close
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>>150820311
thats one of the few times he acted like a reasonable person though
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>>150822752
>Hating based murder manlet.
He will surive the show and he will fuck his harem on his farm.
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>>150822884
Yes, and that's why he's a good character? Thus why I don't get people calling him awful.
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http://i.imgur.com/0Ow0kn3.jpg

Will Ein be relevant again?
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>>150822941
Waifus deserve headpats!
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>>150822941
That would be a very unsatisfying ending, giving karma wouldn't win.
I like it best when karma wins.
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>>150823002
Mika has only ever destroyed those that fucked with him first. If that's not karma, I don't know what is.
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>>150822996
hopefully
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>>150822842
A lot of fans confuse Heero's stoicism with Mika being emotionless. Heero mellowed out as the series progressed and became less stoic. Mika has remained mostly the same.

It could be argued that Mika is not emotionless but has no understanding of his own feelings. He was glad when Takaki left Tekkedan but did not understand why and he is really bothered by Orga's deal with McGillis but won't tell Orga to stop.
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>>150823064
>Mika has only ever destroyed those that fucked with him first.
and innocent civilians, so no you have no idea what karma is.
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>>150823119
Name one time.
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>>150823064
Evil is a willingness. Mika would literally destroy the universe if he could and Orga told him to without question.

That's evil - it doesn't matter how things actually play out.
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>>150822951
I feel like Mika is considered a bad character because he really has not developed. He is the same guy he was at the start of season 1.
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>>150822951
He's a good character because he's messed up?
You're messed up.
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>>150823002
Living a peaceful life on a farm fucking your harem after having to fight and struggle to survive everyday since childhood seems pretty satisfying
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>>150823213
Not when you're an autistic murder machine.
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>>150823213
Not for moral watchers of the narrative.
Last thing the murder manlet deserves is a happy life.
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>>150823169
Alright, but pretty sure that karma doesn't have much to do with that. Say he's evil all you want, but he's not actually done anything deserving of a karmic backlash.

Saying his general existence and potential intent is enough is idiotic.
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>>150823169
I think that there is a limit to Mika's loyalty to Orga. Its obvious that Mika does not like Orga's alliance with McGillis and we the viewers know that Chocolate Man will screw Tekkedan over eventually. If things go to far Mika will eventually tell Orga to fuck off. All of this depends on if the writers follow through on the things they are setting up.
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>>150823325
A psychopath who dies before he can cause much damage that he otherwise would have is still a psychopath and doesn't deserve anything good in life.
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>>150823234
>Not when you're an autistic murder machine.
He is only an autistic murder machine when you fuck with his family and friends.
Everyone who he murdered threathend him or his families existance.
Mika will live and live out the rest of his day in peace with his waifus.
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>>150823155
eps 3, 4, the dort eps, and whenever that banker was murdered
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>>150823482
I think you have a very distorted definition of "Innocent Civilians".
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>>150823518
He's just trolling. Ignore him.
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>>150823449
he's willing to murder outside of that
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>>150823111

The problem with the whole "child soldier" trope in Gundam is that it's almost always handled one of two ways: the "innocence lost" method, which is a normal boy thrust into war who spends most of his time crying and obsessing over a peace he can never have again, or the "wunderkind" method, in which the protagonist is so good at piloting Gundam (or being Gundam) that everything else is pushed to the wayside. Very rarely do we have protagonists that actually behave like complex characters and allow the intended narrative of the story to play out. Banagher Links comes to mind, though one could argue that he was less of a complex character than his deuteragonist(s). Later Amuro is pretty good. The central characters of Thunderbolt are as complex as it's gotten in recent years, but the problem is they're not really child soldiers.
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>>150823370
And you really have no evidence to suggest this "Damage he would cause".

He disregards the lives of those who threaten his life and the lives of his comrades. I don't understand how people then make the jump to him being some kinda school shooter.
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>>150823518
They were innocent, the murderer attacked them just the same for his evil pleasures
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>>150823612
It doesn't matter if he would or wouldn't - he's still evil.

Pragmatism is cancer - moral absolutism is justice. Fuck consequentialism; it's morally bankrupt.
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>>150823585
>He is evil, because he kills innocent people guys!
>When did he kill someone innocent?
>H-he hasn't yet, b-b-b-b-but he totally would guys, cuz he is so evil
keep hating fag.
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>>150823642
>>150823623
Oh come on you're not even trying any more. Both of you need to get your acts together.
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>>150823588
>(or being Gundam)
I hope you arent insulting Setsuna.
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>>150823695
I have my act together.
Unlike sociopath apologists.
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>>150823668
I'm telling you it's just a asspained shitposter thristy for (You)s, ignore him. He's been rambling about "Mika the murderer" and "murdering space rats" for weeks now.
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>>150823642
>It doesn't matter if he would or wouldn't - he's still evil.
and he will murder more innocents unless the cool mobile armors beam spam him down as they are the only hopes left
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watch 13:40, mika's mouth is moving but he isn't suppose to be talking
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DIDNT I TELL YOU GUYS I CAN MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE POSSI-

>Farm still gets fucking destroyed

Well A for wanting to sacrifice yourself Ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBN127GfwBg
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>>150823822
low budget quality strikes again
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>>150823749
I'm pretty sure there's more than one.

Also pretty sure they're the same sort who complain about people talking instead of stuff blowing up.
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>>150823851
>sacrifice
>survives
Anon I'm pretty you don't survive if you become a sacrifice
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>>150823800
>mobile armor is the hero
That would be hilarious.
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>>150823822
Pretty sure I spotted another moment where someone was talking, but their mouth wasn't moving.
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>>150823851
I thought it was cool that he survived the beam and then got mauled by the Plumas right after. That's gotta be scary.
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>>150820980
Have you never watched movies like Goodfellas or Silence of the Lamb? Or even read books like Once and Future King, or, hell, GoT/Song of Ice and Fire, where everyone keeps getting screwed because they're flawed? The appeal of Mika isn't to be an absolute self insert, its a different perspective, a person that is so unafraid of backing down its not even in his vocabulary. Its honestly refreshing to see someone like him as the main character in this current gen of dimwit faceless betas that people are supposed to self insert as.

No,his murder hobo tendencies are hard to swallow in a real life scenario. We're also watching a show about harems and giant robots. He's also the main cog that not only gets things done, but gets things done with speed and finality - something the goddamn show needs considering how many eps are expositionary blab.
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>>150823876
We have a name: The majority
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>>150823919
well they are angels in this situation
>>150823932
Who let /tv/ in here?
>>150823922
only scary if he's not intolerable
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>>150823585
when?
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>>150823896

Well I did say wanting to sacrifice yourself
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Is IBO getting 50 episodes?
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>>150823932
>Have you never watched movies like Goodfellas or Silence of the Lamb?
Never seen Goodfellas and Silence of The Lambs was meh at best.
>Or even read books like Once and Future King, or, hell, GoT/Song of Ice and Fire, where everyone keeps getting screwed because they're flawed?
Never heard of them.
>The appeal of Mika isn't to be an absolute self insert
Where are you getting this paradigm from that anyone cares about inserts?
>Its honestly refreshing
Like carbon monoxide! Wait.
>We're also watching a show about harems and giant robots.
And it's terrible at either of them.
>He's also the main cog that not only gets things done, but gets things done with speed and finality - something the goddamn show needs considering how many eps are expositionary blab.
For a second I thought you were talking about this series, my mistake.
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>>150823985
>>150823482
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>>150823943
I have a better one for you: vocal minority.
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>2 Valkyrjas aready revealed
>no Rosseweisse
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>cliffhanger with Not-Gaelio and Choco
>tfw nothing actually happens next episode
>again
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>>150824111
irony considering it's a flop in Japan
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Were failing to see one thing.

The problem with murder hobos is they never can fit into a world of peace aka the world Kudelia wants.


I am expect Kudelia is fucking backstab them all in name of peace
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>>150824129
The blue one IS Grimgerde, only improved.
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>>150823482
you mean their abusive slave owners, the assholes who kidnapped his friends and the asshat who betrayed Tekkadan and got many Tekkies killed?
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>>150824153
>I am expect Kudelia is fucking backstab them all in name of peace
That requires effort though and effort is not something IBO has been showing
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>>150824188
The only lack of effort I see here is your shitposting.
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>>150824169
>you mean their abusive slave owners
Commanding officers with functioning brains
>the assholes who kidnapped his friends
This never happened
> the asshat who betrayed Tekkadan and got many Tekkies killed?
So he could survive
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>>150824225
so Biscuit and Atra never got kidnapped at Dort and Atra never got a half assed beating compared to her old brothel beatings?
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>>150824169
all of whom make better protags than evil space rats
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>>150824129
Technically, it's still the Grimgerde. I'm assuming McGillis re-outfitted the armor to replicate the original Helmwige.

We could still get more Valkyrja frames though.
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Someone said this was planned only with 40 episodes but I don't think IBO would end just like that given it's slow pacing
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>>150824321
>Atra never got a half assed beating compared to her old brothel beatings?
Now I know you're making shit up
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Why did McGillis so casually mention Grimgerde as something of his? I thought he did not want to be linked to the suit he used as Montag.
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>>150824388
Because the writers forgot about that
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>>150824376
Bandai will be losing money if they go for 50
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>>150824388
that why he's not the one piloting it
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>>150823642
There has to be a balance between pragmatism and moral absolutism.

Too much pragmatism leads to people justifying bad decisions.

Too much moral absolutism leads to ineffective solutions in situations where things are more complex.


The problem is that people think that everything is morally grey or everything is black and white.Some situations are grey but other situations are black and white.The hard part is understanding what kind of situation it is and acting accordingly.
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>>150824388
He was talking to Isurugi who probably already knew.

Plus he tried to cover his ass by changing the armor and having Isurugi pilot it.
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>>150824376

Well I for one wonder whats gonna be next in the Gundamverse

I mean even if you hate it or love it child soldier mercenaries seemed kind of out their for Gundam what else will they do next after this
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>>150824533
No there doesn't.
Right is right and wrong is wrong, and only truly principled people recognize that.
Losers and failures sacrifice their principles for their own pathetic worthless convenience. Morality is good in and of itself, and is the highest value in existence. If you're not willing to die for your principles, you are a living worm - sorry senpai.
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>>150824574
they need to go back to regular formulas first complete with beams
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>>150824376
51 confirmed.
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>>150824574
Idols in Gendums
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>>150824624
post source
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>>150824593

BEAMFAGS STILL MAD AT IBO AFTER LIKE A YEAR JUST FOR THIS REASON
I dont know why people like beams so much
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>>150824624
you know, say what you will about G-Saviour, but that was only one movie. This on the other hand had 36 episodes to get its shit together and failed.
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>>150824574
they need a cripple who can remote pilot a gundam with a neural interface and has to balance the freedom he feels while being a gundam with the realization that as a Gundam he is a literal weapon of mass destruction

ya know like Ein except not batshit insane
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>>150824673
why do you hate them so much?
>>150824701
Ein was not insane though, insnae people do not fight as well as him.
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>>150824731
>implying you need skill when you have overwhelming power on your side
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>>150824673
I guess people love beams just for the simple fact that the first Gundam had beam weapons.
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>>150824225
>So he could survive
>Hanging out at the bar with Super-Merc
>"I hate me some orphans. Kill 'em all bruh, just gimmie the cash money."
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>>150824762
except when storyboards are so bad plot armor is inexcusable
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>>150824673
Beams are shit if we're talking about the models.
Just look at all the Qan[T] kits, it doesn't even have any beam effects
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>>150824636
That seems like it would be encroaching upon Macross territory.

Though I guess so long as the MC Gundam wasn't a Transformable like the Zeta...
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>>150824574
Fantasy Gundam?
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>>150824781
that guy had the right mentality especially since Tekkadan single handedly brought humanity into chaos
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>>150824731
>Ein
>fight well
He was D-rank pre-AV. Surgeries got him more power, not more skills. That's why he was so shit as graze.
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>>150824830
>he actually thinks an all power oligarchy maintaining galactic stagnation is a good thing
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>>150824778

Mostly is just design and how the gundams look. Beam weapons always look bland,boring,and just sound all around meh to me.

I just like I dunno actually ammunition being fired from the things.

Arguably beam sabers are cool but I also like the non beam melee weapons aswell in other Gundam series IBO just focuses alot on it though which I do not think is a bad thing. Its why I love how some Graze kits come with swords and not the stupid beam sabers
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>>150824908
>stagnation
>bad
only to anarchists
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>>150824908
Gundam has only ever operated on a Solar System-scale. 00 and SEED Stargazer were the closest to expanding beyond that; with the former introducing Aliens from beyond our SS, and the latter containing discussion of deep-space travel as a plot point.
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>>150824908
yes all zero stagnation and order is so bad compared to chaos right? /sarcasm
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Mikazuki is the Grinch that will ruin Christmas this year, I am calling it now.
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>>150824974
It's people like you why we haven't started colonizing space yet.
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>>150825122
no, order is what will allow us to colonize space, chaos will not
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>>150825088
By dying and making us weep for Murder-Shota, or by surviving and making us grumble about his continued existence?

Just want to know which side of the fence you're on.
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>>150819334
I watched three eps so far and this hasn't really clicked with me
Should I watch a few more or just drop it?
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>>150825195
First 3 episodes are really slow desu.
I'd give it another 3. If it hasn't grabbed you by 6, you're not going to want to sit through the rest.
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>>150825191
>by surviving and making us grumble about his continued existence?
this side
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Will there be no episode next week?
Haven't really noticed the christmas break yearly
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>>150825088
Is the episode named after mika on christmass?
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>>150825242
Thanks anon
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>>150825182
Chaos is the breath of life that compells us to grow further and explore.
Order is trying to keep everything the same and putting humanities evolution to a hold.
Law is absolute garbage chaos is the way to go.
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>>150825387
supposedly, not looking forward
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>>150825559
Worked so well for Africa.
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>>150825559
Hi /pol/
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>>150825559
unfortunately I have no Imperium memes to reply, what I will say is that this is hilarious
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>>150824673
Because they are cool.
The charging effect, the powerful blast, the sound effect, the great impact. Everything is cool.
What i dont get is people's great aversion to beams. Not every beam is a "Kira firing everything to nameless mooks" situation that i find most people hating beams for that.
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>>150825559
Remove Chaosfags
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>>150825191
>by surviving and making us grumble about his continued existence?
This
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>Machinery from over 300years ago
>Worst than modern day top of the line weaponry
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>>150826053
Other way around?
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>>150825406
Though I should say, episode 7 is probably one of the best in the series, so hopefully you decide to continue on. But it's up to you of course, anon.
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>>150819562
But he is not a local man from Mars.
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did the cuck bitch die yet
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>>150826192
>episode 7 is probably one of the best in the series
It has more filler than most episodes, this is wrong by default
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>>150826104
Don't be crazy that would be retarded
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>>150826277
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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>>150826256
sadly no
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So is the Hashmal supposed to be just one of many Hashmals or was it said somewhere that it was a unique platform like each gundam (where there's one Hashmal but many different other mobile armors)?
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>>150826256
who?
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>>150824830
>some child soldiers who had a small fight in Canada and otherwise operate like one of any number of existing mercenary groups have brought humanity into chaos
lol ok
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>>150826340
lafter
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We are going to need to see the entire order of angels being busted out.
I also hope each MA gets a unique animal design.
Wonder if they are going for Catholic or Islamic/Jewish ones. I guess latter since Hashmal is in there.
>>150822738
>implying Chris isn't batshit insane and won't murder if he can weasel an excuse out of it
DON'T CALL ANYBODY.
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>>150822899
He was trained as a killer. Worked out great, but then they brainwashed him to get those pesky emotions out of the way. I'd say that's prettty fucked up.
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>>150826330
Hasn't been specified yet and the kit isn't out yet so we cant see if the manual says anything at the moment. I'm banking on there were different types of MA.
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>>150826443
lafter belongs to guts now
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>>150826638
Guts deserve better than a used slut.
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>>150826443
Nah she is not even in this arc
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>>150826519
Chris isn't insane though and he's still better than Murderzuki could hope to be.
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>>150826714
Sonichu has better writing than IBO at this point
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>>150822738
I see you have seen the new sonic boom episode as well.
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What did he mean by this?
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>>150827206
who knows
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>>150827206
Because he used to it to assault Gali and supposedly murder him
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>>150827206
I dunno. It made sense at first, but the more I think about it, the more I find that /anyone/ in McGillis' inner-circle caught piloting that thing would be a massive red flag.
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Why dont they just throw a nuke?
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So, who's going to inherit the Shino's Shiden Kai?
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>>150827206
He's a keikaku man, so he already knows that Vidar is after him; Choco will use that faggot as a sacrifice so he can live another day.
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>>150827481
Ride, the only MS pilot with a AV plug who could use a suit with a AV system.
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>>150827206
Grimgerde is the suit he uses under his alias. I.e. he doesn't want it to be connected to him.
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Beamcucks BTFO. what a great episode.
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>>150827206
He'll explain it later.
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>>150827981
not really, the beam was just uber weak
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>Those Reginlaze getting raped by the Pluma

Damn, small fast moving enemies like that are the worst.
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>Shino and Yamagi in the same cockpit
Guess it is a two person gundam.
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>>150828215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPWzwnIvd8

At least they're not Tank classes
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>>150828147
It completely destroyed that settlement. Its just that technology has made it mostly obsolete against mobile suits. And it did knock off one of Ride's arms.

And for the purpose of killing as many people as possible, its still pretty fucking stronk.
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>>150828518
Just for this fight. Unless they make it habitual.
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>>150828562
compared to other gundam series it's barely anything
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>>150828571
Well the show has been teasing the two for a while now, so it wouldn't surprise me of Yamagi stays as the co-pilot.
But hes also one of the lead mechanics, so I guess I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want him regularly on the front lines.
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>>150828562
Actually the damage to his arm was from his rifle exploding.
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>>150827054
>blue arms
>orange soda
>family friendly fanfiction
What a ride
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>>150827206
As another anon said, maybe hes expecting Galio to show up, so hes using it as a decoy? I dunno
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>>150824047
51
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>>150828621
Really only wing and 00 had notably powerful beam weapons, the rest are all the same power as IBO's its just the mechs arent paper mache against it like in older ones.

the only other entry where beams were powerful was victory and even then that had less to do with the beams themselves and more so the reactors by that point of the UC were so fucked that destroying it with a beam caused a fucking nuclear explosion. Victory mark 2's wings though are probably the most overpowered things in the franchise so that does still hold weight.

I would like to note that by possible coincidence the more powerful the beams happened to be in the worst shows.
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>>150827206
He's now the leader of the mars defense fleet and they require the commanders to use that souped up Graze rather than a custom battle unit from who knows where to represent the Gjallarhorn's fleet. Just like Carta can only use that Graze as well.
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>>150829060
>Really only wing and 00 had notably powerful beam weapons

You forgot gundam X.
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>>150829060
and SEED and Destiny and X and that Statue of Liberty in G, and oh wow your argument fell apart
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>>150829162
the satellite cannon doesn't count cause the amount of time it takes to charge and the lack of mobility after firing effectively cancels out its power. It essentially had the power of the shitty op wing gundam's normal beam weapons later in the series.
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>>150829243
>the satellite cannon doesn't count cause the amount of time it takes to charge and the lack of mobility after firing effectively cancels out its power.
so does the Twin Buster Rifle
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>>150829233
Seed's beam weapons are equal in every way to this episode of ibo, X doesnt count for the sate light cannon with the normal beam weapons being chump shit, and G especially doesnt count cause the beams were weaker than the normal crazy shit the mechs in G were capable of.
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>>150828945
Complaining when they're on different planets is understandable, but now you complain when they're shoved into one, maybe two cubic meters of space?
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>>150829153
>that souped up Graze

Graze Ritter isnt actually a suped up graze. It's basically just a graze/ground graze with a couple of ornamental changes to it. The model manual even states that during design stage of it form was emphasized over function.

McGillis's team's results with it are actually causing Gjallarhorn members to stop seeing it as a substandard graze according to the official site too.
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>>150829304
>Seed's beam weapons are equal in every way to this episode of ibo
you're funny
>X doesnt count
confirmed troll
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>>150829350
Well it's ornamental, it's not like Gjallarhorn has Gundam Frames or Valkyrie frames lying around to give to their pilots as they believe them to be obsolete technology.
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>>150829243
>It essentially had the power of the shitty op wing gundam's normal beam weapons later in the series.

The DX's cannon blast was a lot bigger and more destructive than the TBR. The TBR punched a big hole through a colony. The TSC completely hollowed out a cylinder colony and also completely destroyed an island.
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I enjoy this show.
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>>150826330
My bet's that there were 72 MAs, and thus 72 Gundam frames built to oppose them. Most were probably mutual annihilations, leaving only a handful of each remaining.
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>>150829060
>I would like to note that by possible coincidence the more powerful the beams happened to be in the worst shows.
>00
>worst
Opinion discarded
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>>150829410
The reason they didn't just mass produce stuff like the valkyrie frame (Gundam Frames they apparently literally couldn't mass produce though) after the war isn't that they couldn't, its that there was no need to with MS combat winding down and Gjallarhorn controlling everything, so they made the Geirail with it being cheap and easy to maintain over it being powerful instead, and the Graze just being a continuation of that line of thought. The Reginlaze is actually the one made to have higher performance in mind more like the original Valkyrie frame because MS combat was becoming more commonplace again and they needed a stronger mass production model.
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>>150829343
You talk like this can't be twisted into something awful. Lets make a guess what terrible things will Okada do to their relationship next. I'm betting on NTR extraordinaire, where Shino already got himself a girlfriend at that whorehouse and yamagi commits suicide when he finds out.
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>>150822752
Every time one of you shitstains wishes death on Orga or Mika, I'm going to wish the series ends with Orga and Mika standing on a mountain of corpses of everyone that dared step up. They deserve to live, after building a Mars that's politically and militarily equal to Earth and is a place where freedom is cherished and life is valued.
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>>150829645
Orga and Mika are like that voodoo doll guy from one piece. Every time someone plants a death flag on them it gets moved to a nameless tekkadan grunt instead.
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>>150829645
I hope he doesn't die, but I'm pretty sure SOMETHING is gonna happen to Mikazuki in 2 episodes.
You don't have an episode named after you without SOMETHING happening.
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Thread theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FmC35GIOk
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>>150829776
My 2 cents: Mika will get pushed beyond the limit of human mental endurance and Barbatos will try and take him over, showing the reason why Gjallarhorn stopped using the A-V system and that's that developing a close connection between suit and pilot eventually turns pilots into something like MAs. Mika will use his connections to his humanity to win the tug-of-war and bring Barbatos fully under his control, becoming one with the machine on his terms, not some ancient program's.
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What a fucking retard, jesus christ i can't even laugh at this.
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>>150829914
Personally, I'm think mikazuki is forced to give up even more of his body to win, leaving him a cripple outside his suit.
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>>150829914
Will it be Atra or Kudelia that brings him back?
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>>150829776
Episode 38 is named Angel Hunter.
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>>150829645
They didn't fight for that. They fought to further themselves and fuck everyone else.
Fuck, they were too dumb to even stop while they were ahead - which is why they're gonna get completely fucked and nobody will mind.
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>>150829776
He's going to almost die and lose the use of his legs in the process (Based on him struggling to crawl around on the ground in the OP). Maybe go blind or def too.

Basically he's going to get pushed beyond his limits and have to over-link with Barbatos again.
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>>150829914
>yfw they use this same logic later on for him later taming the MA, bringing it to heel as an add-on for the Barbatos
I can see it happening.
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>>150830032
Seems likely.
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Nobodt talks about Kudelia about to get BLACKED in the new radio CD cover?
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>>150829983
Neither.
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>>150830169
Why are her hips so massive here
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>>150830015
You'll mind when that doesn't happen, and then you'll cry over how dumb you just sounded.
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>>150830244
No, I won't.
They're quite literally generating their own conflicts.
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>>150829965
He was so proud of sucker punching an MA and then running away. Actually, it was more like a sucker-flick.

I can't wait to see how he fucks things up next week. Maybe they'll stop the MA only for Iok to get confused and start firing on the city himself.
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>>150830279
Its not really their fault the mobile armor activated, its Ioks
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>>150830279
Anon, i fucking hate Tekkadan but they are still going to get a happy ending. Sunrise doesnt have the balls for a bad end for the "heroes". Maybe Mika will end up a total cripple or Orga somehow pays for his ambitions but they dont have it to go full bad end.
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>>150829965
Why does Rustle even let him go anywhere.
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>>150830433
They could have quit the game long ago.
They had money. They had secure income. They had freedom.
But they're literal war-monkeys who don't know how to do anything but fight, so when Gali asks them to keep fighting, they literally and unironically just go "yep sounds like a good idea".

>>150830439
I don't think they have the balls for it either, even though basically all the foreshadowing would make it totally reasonable to do, and no one would be unsatisfied with one.
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>>150819334
>implying anyonecared.
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>>150830490
>Why does Rustle even let him go anywhere.
Why wouldn't he?
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>>150830490
Just to laugh at his retarded actions.
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>>150830526
>They could have quit the game long ago.
>They had money. They had secure income. They had freedom.
Making a lot of assumptions there. Who told you Mars had any job security anon?
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>>150830630
I know there are speedreaders.
It's painful to realize people can produce similar cognitive results when simply watching something though.
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>>150830490
He's a Seven Star head that Rustal-sempai is trying to knock some sense into. Plus he's typically babysat by his escorts.

Unfortunately Iok is Carta 2.0 so he's beyond mortal help.
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>>150830526
>They had money. They had secure income.
Not really. They seemed to be hard-up for jobs. Though admittedly, they were on their way to more secure income with their contract in Edmonton. They likely would have managed much better in the long term had Radice not sold them out.

>They had freedom.
Being a low-ranked mob sub-family says otherwise.
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>>150830747
Jesus Christ re-watch the show.
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>>150830526
>But they're literal war-monkeys who don't know how to do anything but fight
Wow what a big surprise, the children soldiers only know how to be soldiers, who woulda thought.
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>>150830769
Listen kiddo, I'm not disagreeing that Tekkadan was in a good place and that overreaching as they are should have more negative consequences, as the show itself at times foreshadows.

Just pointing out that it wasn't quite perfect as you seem to imply.
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>>150830819
Because I'm saying it's a surprise, yeah.
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>>150830769
Post screencap of Orga saying
>we could have quit the game long ago. We have money. We have secure income. We have freedom.
Or shut up.
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>>150830826
>>150830844
Re-watch the show.
Literally all I have to say.

How people can watch something and fail to understand circumstances this fucking hard is mind-boggling.
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>>150819334
Man, this anime is so crappy. Turns out the legendary super-weapon can't even destroy one miserable MS due to outdated technology (nevermind the fact that Gundam frames can outperform modern equipment just fine). At this point, the only satisfaction this shit can deliver to me is killing a couple of these space rats and get fujos BTFO in the process, but I won't hold my breath given that apparently every named character has laser-beam proof plot armor.
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>>150830924
Butthurt beam fag confirmed.
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>>150821119
Ahhh Escaflowne had so much going for it but wow it should have been better
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>>150830881
>How people can watch something and fail to understand circumstances this fucking hard is mind-boggling.
I keep wondering the same when I'm reading your posts.
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>>150830881
Same to you.

>>150830924
Like everything else in this show, brute force has been shown to be most effective. The MA and its drones steamrolled Iok's escort force, and nothing anyone's done thus far has even put a scratch on the Hasmal. Whether that fuckhuge sword that McGillis brought along will be effective remains to be seen; provided they get past Vidar.
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>>150831039
>>150831051
How will I ever recover?
Oh yeah - by being right.
Ja ne~
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>>150830924
>Turns out the legendary super-weapon can't even destroy one miserable MS due to outdated technology

It easily killed like 4-5 MS after being buried in the ground for 300 years and possibly damaged or low on fuel. Only the beam can't really kill them and it hasn't once intentionally used the beam on an MS. It used the pluma and pile drivers on them. Ride just jumped in front of the beam at the last minute.
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>>150826668
Human Debris are all used goods, he can't go looking for anyone above his level.
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>>150831065
You still can't win an argument for shit anon.
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>>150831006
Nothing can kill named orphans in this universe (unless they're fat). They are made of fujoshitbucktonium, the hardest metal known to man.
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>>150831232
>fujoshitbucktonium
Faggots either get killed off left and right or get no screentime. Mika and Orga are another care of being made of protagshittonium, a even harder metal known to man.
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>>150829430
just follow the naming scheme origin. hasmal is one of the choir of angels, therefore it's a pretty good chance that there were multiple copies of the same type of MA.
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Lets see what Vidar ends up doing. Still waiting for Mackys Gundam to pop up.
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>>150831474
Episode summaries mention that gjallarhorn and tekkadan team up to fight the MA.
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Just wait until they bust open the Hasmal and find the scant remains of a human body.
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>>150831535
Yeah but something tells me Vidar doesn’t give a fuck about the MA and in general anything outside of his vengeance, of course maybe that’s not the case
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>>150831474
Odds are we won't be seeing Bael for a while.
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To be honest, the Plumas with their infinite reproduction capabilities are a lot scarier than the Hasmal.
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So the Turbines won’t participate in the MA hunt?
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>>150830769
that is torture
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>>150831775
The plumas don't make more pluma. They repair and refuel themselves and hashmal and hashmal can produce new pluma. Its like the queen of a hive.
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>>150830924
it could just have been tuned for nuking people, not cutting through armour.

I just can't imagine they'd take something like that beam with it's impressive look and sound and NOT use it against MS.
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>>150831876
and the best character so far
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>>150831857
This is a better Gundam than G-Reco, SEED, Wing, and DESTINY.
No need to bitch.
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>>150831949
Except it isn't, everything you listed and G-Saviour top this trash
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>>150832004
>opinions
I don't know what you're expecting.
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>>150828945
Gross. I bet Shino's breath still smells like vagina.
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>>150820824
>for their own selfish goals
But Mika barely has anything resembling a goal. He's abandoned his own moral reasoning in favor of letting Orga guide his decisions
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>>150830490
Rustle has been given the unenviable job of turning preening plutocrat brats into real soldiers and leaders. He does a good job at this, mostly insulating his teams from the brats uselessness by surrounding them with real, competent underlings able to handle a situation if it goes south, until such a time they are sufficiently reformed.

Problem in this case is that all Iok's handlers got murked, so now he's just left to his own devices to fuck around until Rustle puts him back on his leash.
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>>150821344
If she evac'ed, thats a spot that someone less fortunate would not have available to them. Did you even watch the episode?
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>>150832429
His handlers also didn't know how to handle a situation with a MA or that IOk would go and wake it up.
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>>150832327
He defers his goal to Orga, because he doesn't understand what's even supposed to be valuable in life and thinks Orga can just figure that out for him.
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>>150832535
Hence, it's not really being evil, since Mika defers all that to Orga. Really, Orga carries the stain of both his own sins and Mika's
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>>150832429

>Rustle has been given the unenviable job of turning preening plutocrat brats into real soldiers and leaders

Considering how it ended really badly for Carta despite she is stationed in somewhere that she shouldn't be able to screw up, I would've thought Gjallarhorn would be smarter with less competent family heads for now on

Well, Monkey Girl arrived to probably drag Iok's sorry ass back to the ship
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>>150832631
No.
"I'm just following orders herka" isn't an excuse.
And to begin with, evil is an inherent state - a willingness to completely ignore other people's values and interests for your own (or someone else's) purposes and at their expense.

If I'm willing to murder you to accomplish my goals - *WHATEVER* those goals may be - then I'm evil.
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>>150832535
You can say his part in the ending kind of suits him, especially with the “we are imbeciles” part
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>>150832774
Yeah - they *ARE* morons.
I want a bad end so bad because it would be incredibly satisfying and fitting for everything up until now, but I don't think Sunrise has the balls.
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>>150832745
There's a difference between immoral and amoral. To commit an act you register as "immoral", you have to have that conception of a "moral" act to defy it. Some people lack that and act on instinct/code of survival that doesn't take into account basic human emotions.

Mika's actions aren't excusable, but from his mindset, they're understandable, as his mind leads him to the conclusion of "let Orga deal with my choices and consequences of" instead of taking his own choices and responsibilities for said choices.

In the end, Mika isn't really fighting for himself, but for Orga's vision, which includes Mika somewhere in there.
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>>150832861
No - amoralism is just evil.
You not understanding evil doesn't make you any less evil. Lots of savage people in the past thought it was perfectly just and reasonable to ritualistically sacrifice innocents for their own purposes. Protip - it wasn't and they were evil~
Sociopathy is evil, as is psychopathy.
No excuses.
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>>150832963
Evil requires a moral choice. Without that moral choice, it can't be inherently evil. only evil as viewed through a human lens. A gun, despite being a weapon made to kill, can't be "evil" because it does not choose its actions- it is merely a tool. Mika also is almost nothing more than a tool for Orga. You could argue that signing away your moral agency to another is evil though.
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>>150832848
Tekkadan has never done anything particularly evil except muredring carta's goons I guess, they don't deserve such harsh retribution. I think you're just projecting your hate of the show on the protagonists.
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>>150833044
No - it doesn't.
"Do not lie."
"Do not steal."
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not murder."
All evil without qualification.
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>>150833072
I love the show. It's the best Gundam in awhile.
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>>150833074
Are you a theist?
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>>150833044
Anon, you're arguing with a troll that isn't even trying any more. Why are you bothering? Are you just that bored?
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>>150833119
Yep!
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>>150833128
It seems like a serious set of responses, so I figured it's worth my time to respond in kind.

>>150833153
I am Catholic, so I agree with you on evil, to a degree, but people see evil in different ways. For many people, evil is relative. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. What some may consider a morally justifiable act, to others may be morally reprehensible. For example, going to war. Defeating the Nazis was morally justifiable to some, but the fact that many civilians died is enough to call that engagement as a moral evil. Who is right? Who makes that call?

For Mika, it really seems to me like he's so emotionally stunted, or he stunted himself to better cope with his reality, that he defers all moral choice and responsibility to Orga. I can't call him (his person) "evil" yet although he is certainly very warped and his actions do in many respects qualify as evil actions.
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>>150832639
Carta didnt have a sempai watching out for her or training her. She got dumped into a worthless position all alone and left to handpick her own men. Iok has a lot more supervision, he just happens to be an even bigger screw up.

Really this whole thing has reminded me of Turn A and Sochie's fiance.
>Everyone screaming at him to not touch the armed nukes.
>Picks them up and runs off with them tucked under one arm because obviously the enemy scientist is just lying.
>"No really, you'll kill us all and those are ready to explode."
>Proceeds to use one like a melee weapon.
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>>150833310
Them seeing evil in different ways doesn't change evil as an objective reality.
Relativism is moral cancer and logically degrades to moral nihilism, since a world in which "x is evil" can be true *at the same time as* "x is not evil" makes evil in whatever sense it's understood a meaningless proposition to begin with.

By Christian moral standards he's a definitively sinful person. Every person is, but we can still distinguish between people who make mistakes and (rightly) feel remorse and seek to change their ways and people who don't even recognize that they're making mistakes or else don't care. The latter are obviously less moral.
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>still fucking replying to him
When are you going to learn?
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How can people who actually quote who they're replying to even compete?
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>>150831729
either Vidar will teamup and kill the MA with the others showing it off and killing them later while they're exhausted or Vidar will destroy McGillis and Izaragi before joining in to kill the MA.
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シノヤマ in TT JP today again. That'd be the third time, one taking place outside of the broadcasting day. Stronk as ever.
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>>150833515
>nihilism
>using Nietzsche's ideas wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin
Its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter.
It must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense.
It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.

Mika lacks 2 and 3

>>150833525
I didn't finish reading the whole thread but after reading some more, now I see what you were referring to
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>Hashmal
>Bird-like MA
>Lays "eggs" that are sub units to protect it.
>Is going to get killed by an MS team with a cripple on it.

My god.
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>>150833437

Wasn't Iznario (Mcgillis' father) the one supposed to take care of / mentor / etc. Carta ue to her father became sick (he was also absent in the first episode of S2 during the Seven Stars meeting)? This was also a power play on Iznario's part just like trying to install a puppet Prime Minster for Arbrau until Mcgillis got Carta killed and foiled the election of said puppet
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>>150833693
Nihilism preceded Nietzsche bro. I'm a philosophy major if you want to talk about it.
The entire premise of "mortal sin" is absurdly anti-Scripture. It makes no sense in the context of those things that are considered sinful and how sin is treated both in the OT and in the Gospels.
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>>150833731
Yeah, he was supposed to be raising her and managing her inheritance (Both money and political power I assume) for her. He stuck her into a decorative unit not meant for combat because he didn't want to risk her dying and cause him to lose all that power. But she sure showed him!
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>>150833844
Nihilism is mostly known thanks to Nietz though. Explain what you meant then

Oh, you're a heretic.
OK, I'll bite. How is it anti-scripture?
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>>150833855
So Carta could have ended up like she did due to Iznario “training her wrong as a joke”, poor little Carta she deserve better
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>>150833844
>I'm a philosophy major
i'll have a coke and a cheesburger with salad as sides
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>>150834055
More like he never trained her at all. She was a childish brat who never grew up in an adult body.
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>>150833910
Things are considered entirely sinful and worthy of judgement throughout Scripture without any active understanding on the part of Biblical actors. Jericho, Ai, Midian, the Philistines, etc etc etc.

"Mortal sin" as a necessary qualifier would render virtually all of the people who have ever lived without substantive sin. Human sacrifices, ethnic genocides, violent conquests.
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>>150834081
Left me in a good spot in life.
You do you though bro - I'm sure whatever you're doing must be great and intellectually stimulating.
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>>150834142
Not all sins are the same: thus, you have venial sins and mortal sins. Depending on how you view the world and how you interpret things, your actions can carry different moral weight. Are good actions done for a good reason more moral than good actions done for a bad reason? I would say yes

Even if a sin is not "mortal", it's still a sin. But in the context of evil, it's more of a lesser evil and a greater evil. Satan is said to be the most evil being, because he rebelled against perfection and goodness (God). But more importantly, he rebelled against God having full knowledge of God and also full ability to choose to disobey. WIthout both of those things, his rebellion carries a lot less moral weight.

Also I believe many times that people who claim to be doing evil in the name of the right thing actually know they're committing evil and are just using pretty words so they can go to sleep at night. Shit like Hitler and the Conquistadores are definitely done in full knowledge of their evilness, only disguised to placate what little left of their conscience they have left (and also to fool others into following suit)
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>>150834363
All sins are the same. You can bring up "blaspheme against the holy spirit" but I and a number of theologians hold the accomplishment of that as not realizable and expressed to paint a different moral lesson (if you hold otherwise you're literally in contradiction with much of the rest of Scripture which is much more integral to the faith).
There are no degrees of evil - there is only evil.
There *ARE* degrees of morality, which impinges on moral understanding, ambition, and the general state of a person's will in regard to moral propositions.
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>>150819334
God I hope this cunt dies.
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>>150834539
I don't even have to go that far. The 10 Commandments are hierarchical. The first 3 are reference to God and the rest are to humanity. And the 1C starts with God proclaiming who He is. only at the 4th do any humans get referenced (your parents). The last one is in reference to material goods.

Also in reference to "integral to the faith", the RCC holds both Scripture and Tradition are two pillars of the faith, interpreted via the Pope, Curia, and the rest of the RCC hierarchy. Also note that the way the Jews and Christians interpret the OT will be different, and that the NT scriptures postdate Jesus and the teachings of the first Apostles, as well as having been picked by the early church to become Bible canon.

Agustine would disagree. In fact, there is no "evil", just lack of good. And good has degrees to it- things and actions can be really good or less good, etc.
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>>150834539
>All sins are the same. You can bring up "blaspheme against the holy spirit" but I and a number of theologians hold the accomplishment of that as not realizable and expressed to paint a different moral lesson (if you hold otherwise you're literally in contradiction with much of the rest of Scripture which is much more integral to the faith).
That's the one sin Jesus won't forgive though, plus the third commandment states God holds nobody guiltless if they carry His name in vain.
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>>150820550
>just like me!

You know he's autistic right?
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>>150834956
The 10 commandments are not hierarchical.
Any single failing in keeping God's commandments is just as terrible a failure as any other.
Some are easier to avoid and some are harder to avoid, but God sees them all the same - you're a sinner and a failure and you need His Grace for salvation. That's why Grace is a necessary thing for humans. It doesn't matter - at *ALL* - *which* sin you commit. If you don't have God, you'll be condemned for the very first one no matter what it is without Grace.

I've read the entirety of both The City of God and Confessions - while I agree with that man on a lot (like how people are to regard aesthetics and sensory pleasure), I think his thesis on the nature of evil and original sin is faulty.
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>>150819334
He is just a male version of Carta
MUH JUSTICE AND HONOR!
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>>150835134
Except Carta was cute and tragic whereas he is just a faggot.
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>>150834956
Oh, and I'm an extreme anti-Catholic.
I think any faith that incorporates viciously circular reasoning as part of their self-claimed integral and immutable dogmas is not a faith I'm going to take terribly seriously insofar as claims they may make fall back on that faulty reasoning.

>apostolic succession is valid because tradition establishes it is
>tradition is valid because church authorities affirm it to be
>church authorities are valid because of apostolic succession
^ this is not acceptable intellectually in any regard.
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>create a giant terminator-mindset weapon of mass destruction without an off-switch that lasts forever and kills indiscriminately
>do this multiple times

I haven't watched since Wing, but who were the geniuses who thought this shit was smart?
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>>150835121
They obviously are more important, the ones referencing God as opposed to referencing people. Take for example a situation where you had to disobey either your parents or God. Which would you be forced to go with?

Yes, each one is a terrible failing. but failing your parents and failing God are two magnitudes of terrible. You cannot really say disobeying your parents is on the same moral failing as disobeying God.

You're confusing the fact that all sin alienates you from God with the idea that the alienation is the same. You can be close to God, further from God, and really far. One sin is enough to separate you from God, but the more you sin, the larger that separation gets. Grace can bridge that gap- from the small crack to the large chasm, but the degree of separation is still there until you receive Grace.

That's fine, but now you see the inherent danger of relying too hard on theologians. In the end, only the words of Jesus and God are the truth, and everything else is just interpretation that builds off of that. Even the divinely inspired scriptures are, divinely inspired they may be, are also the work of human hands as well. And in the end, only God can judge our mindsets and ideas. I think what theologians do is very important, but it's not an end all to these kind of debates. Although I don't think you're closed minded in that respect, this just comes down to difference in opinion I feel.
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>>150835348
Some 300 year old faggots that are probably all dead.
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>>150835351
What about them is "obviously" more important?
The sixth commandment doesn't say "obey your parents" - it says honor them. Those are different.
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>>150831787
Why risk the waifu?
Tekkadan are the king of mars, they deal with their own trouble now.
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>>150835351
>You're confusing the fact that all sin alienates you from God with the idea that the alienation is the same
No. All alienation *IS* the same. You're either with God or you're not. It's heaven or it's hell. There are no shades here.

>That's fine, but now you see the inherent danger of relying too hard on theologians
I'm not relying on theologians. I'm pointing out that these aren't new views, because people are prone to dismiss claims on the sheer grounds that other people don't also tack on. Me pointing it out has no substance to the conversation at all, and I'm not relying on anything but my own reasonings.
It's especially odd to hear a Catholic actually telling someone not to even cite the fact that other people exist who may be on board with an idea, given your entire faith structure is built on "believe your betters who've handed you down these precepts".
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>>150835341
The RCC (or the proto RCC anyway) built the religion to what it is. It made the Bible canon, it gave the majority of its great theologians and intellectuals, and created the intellectual language necessary to even conceive of Christianity as it is today.

It's not circular reasoning. It's reasonable to say that the ones who worked with Jesus (the Twelve), were the most knowledgeable of Jesus' intentions, and that has been passed on. Also the Twelve were meant to be leaders, especially Peter, the "greatest among equals" and "holders of the keys to the kingdom", to be the overall leader of the flock. And that tradition that they pass on is valid because it is tradition directly touched by those early apostles and disciples. Church leaders only put that into codified language.

>>150835449
Because God is the most important being? You can't put anything above God, not your parents, ideals, or the world.

You mean the fourth? And yes, that's true, but do you not dishonor them when you disobey them in serious matters?
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>Thread about Mars Rats getting offered a castle by the Cat
>Somehow turns into bullshit moralistic dogma arguments
I just...what even is 4chan?
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SAY MY NAME.
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>>150835580
Only in the sense that you're separated, but to bridge that gap, it's not the same amount of effort on your part, morally speaking. Then again, explaining contrition and penance wouldn't work seeing as how you don't subscribe to Catholic views.

I didn't say not to cite them, but you seemingly treated that you and other theologians agreeing with your viewpoint validated them, which is certainly not the case. I take my views from the Church but I have also added in my own ideas and my own interpretations based on what I have learned.
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>>150835643

Gali Gali?
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>>150835584
What I just posted is the reasoning Catholics employ to justify apostolic succession.
It is circular. *Viciously* circular. And we throw that out in logic.

>>150835584
You don't put anything before God - but the rest of the commandments have nothing to do with that. They all stand equal in that they are given to you by God to keep. If you're not already committed to God, they're already not relevant for you to follow - you've already been losing.
It's all black and white.
It's wholesale faith or it's nothing and damnation.
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>>150835643
Graze Ein
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>>150831729

He is well aware from Carta's position he shouldn't give a fuck about the Order of Seven Stars achievement because it certainly didn't help her and her family held the most for over 300 years.

He was even the one that brought it up in the first place listening to Rustal, Julieta and Iok.
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>>150835698
>but to bridge that gap
The gap is one step.
It's a true-false scenario. An x or not-x. A 1 or a 0.
It's exactly the same for everyone no matter what.

>but you seemingly treated that you and other theologians agreeing with your viewpoint validated them
I don't know how you drew that conclusion. That's a highly uncharitable insinuation given what I said does not necessitate that conclusion at all.
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>>150831764

People said that about the Helmwige and it literally debuted like a week after.
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>>150827206

Probably that he'll never set foot in the Grimgerde again after murdering Gaelio as a personal vow.

What it really is, is just another means for him to escape from Vidar in the next episode and have Isurugi fight in his stead.
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>>150835739
Yes, I know circular logic is thrown out in logic but I gave an explanation as to why the RCC says what it says and why it makes sense. Also, the early church hashed out a lot of these during all the councils they had in the early centuries, and even the Orthodox church is more or less onboard with that idea. The Protestants have deviated a lot, and it's easy to see the theological failings of it when it splintered off so much after Luther, and especially after arriving in the US.

How do the commandments have nothing to do with that? Why did God mention all the commandments dealing with Him before any of the other ones? Why did He give the commandment about coveting material good all the way at the end?

Clearly, some things matter more than others- God putting His commandments first shows that. That's why I gave you the hypothetical you failed to answer. Life isn't so easily divvied up into black and white- even I as a really idealistic person realize when choices must be made and you have to break one of your convictions no matter what you are forced to choose.

>>150835809
The gap is one step but there are lots of substeps in between. Someone who lies a lot is not as bad as someone who committed one murder. They are both in sin and are separated from God, but the 100 lies do not carry the same moral weight as one murder. To say they do trivializes the evilness of murder.

If that's not what you meant, I apologize, but that's how it came off to me. What did you mean by it?
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>>150835643
K-Kenshiro!
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Are Mobile Armors unique to this series or did they exist in previous Gundams?

Why even have pilots when you can build unstoppable AI raping machines?
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>>150836073

MA's are in alot of prior Gundam series but they're usually all piloted by psycho pilots with identity issues who end up murdering hundreds to millions of people.

In this series they just took out the middle man and made the pilot an AI without blame or remorse for it's actions now. It's simply a machine doing what it's programmed to do and that is kill kill kill.
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You are forced to pick Carta or Iok to carry out a crucial mission, who do you choose?
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>>150836180
Carta
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>>150836073
What's the point of building unstoppable AI raping machines, they will just rape you.
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>>150835932
I thought he might just get the Alaya-Vijnana himself desu.

>>150835977
Circular reasoning doesn't make sense by definition. It's a priori nonsensical and invalid.

Faith in God precedes the commandments being followed and having moral weight. What the first commandment explicitly communicates as a principle, for instance, is a necessary moral understanding that a person must have *before* following the commandments in the first place. It's a statement of that which has to precede itself for the commandments to even be followed (including itself).

>Clearly, some things matter more than others
God is what matters - everything else doesn't matter. Encompassed in following God is all that which He commands you. Period. Dead stop. What He commands you is all morally equal in weight, because it all involves God.
That's why you're condemned - ceteris paribus - for *ANY* sin, and not some threshold of "bad enough" sin. It's all the same. They're all failing God - there are no better or worse ways to fail God, and that's terribly clear throughout Scripture.
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>>150836180
Iok. He at least has a group of semi-competent fodder following him around, rather than a band of boy toys.
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>>150819334
No curry can bring that smile back.
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>>150836073
Mobile Armors are in a lot of gundam series, they just typically have pilots adn are essentially just non-humanoid mechs (Usually). Typically with some gimmicky weapon or lots of armor and firepower.

IBO is a bit unique in that they specially said all their settings MAs are AI controlled. AIs are something that doesn't often get used in this franchise outside of Haro.
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>>150835977
>The gap is one step but there are lots of substeps in between
>Someone who lies a lot is not as bad as someone who committed one murder
No. Those are both wrong. Just because these conclusions defy normative sensibilities doesn't take away their Scriptural basis as real positions.
I know you or I may not *LIKE* to think the kid who lies about taking a cookie from the cookie jar is just as bad in that sin as a person who murders another person, but God sees it all the same - they're all absolute failures that we are *CONDEMNED* for without God's Grace, and *WHICH* God's Grace can forgive us regardless.
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>>150836295
>He at least has a group of semi-competent fodder following him around, rather than a band of boy toys.
had*
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>>150836298
Curry is for Chad, not Iok.
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>>150836246
Just program them to rape everyone that's not you or your countrymen.
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Can you two retards take your christfaggotry elsewhere
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>>150836458
What happens when the AI adapts around that by removing all humans from its "Friendly" list like the Mobile Dolls did in that one episode of Wing where they turned on the guys in the control booth?
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>>150835643
Robo Carta.
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>>150836532
>>150820824
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>>150836323
Why are Mobile Suits traditionally built over Armors in the canon?
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>>150836458
And if it's patern recognition isn't advanced enough to be able to tell the difference between a dirty gaijin and a felow compatriot in a glance?
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>>150836646
Press the failsafe remote self-destruction device you installed.
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>>150836247
I'm asking you, based on what I said after you said it was circular, to show me why my explanation was not valid. Is it not logical to assume that the early apostles and their traditions serve as a basis for the religion, when the holy texts, doctrines, and even the religious language used was created by their descendants?

What about converts? How do they gain that faith before learning about the religious teachings?
What it sounds like to me is that we are in effect knowledgable on those rules and commands, and they are codified as a reminder. Or is that off?
Also, breaking one commandment doesn't mean you have broken all the others. Sure, it's a moral failing, but for example, bearing false witness isn't the same as murdering someone or stealing from someone, and lying doesn't mean you've murdered or stolen.

>God is what matters - everything else doesn't matter.
That sounds like heresy. Everything matters, because God made it, and what God has made is good. Saying everything else doesn't matter is saying God's creation is meaningless.
Even in scripture, you're not condemned in the same way for sins. Onan was killed for letting semen hit the floor, but David and Solomon were allowed to live their full lives after their many sins. All sin separates you from God, but God decides what gets punished to what degree, so clearly not all sins are equal.

>>150836347
You haven't addressed the fact that the early church compiled the scriptures into a canon, and this strong insistence on scripture to the exclusion of everything else is making me wary.

Lying about the cookie jar and murdering are absolute failures in the sense that they absolutely separate us from God, but not in the sense that they are both the same grade of evil. Lying about cookies is a minor flaw, murdering someone takes a moral depravity that kills your human compassion in order to do that act. Comparing the moral weight of both actions is illogical.
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>>150836574
Cheaper and easier to build and supply in bulk as well as usually being easier to operate in most settings. A lot of Mobile armors can also only be used by "Newtypes" in UC due to having weapon systems that are dependent on psycowaves or requiring extremely high reaction times and reflexes to use properly.
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>>150836532
Let me have my TANOSHIIIIIIII TIME
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Flauros, Vidar and Yamagi will make the next episode great but Iok needs to finally die. He ruins everything for everyone.
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>>150836711
>Is it not logical to assume that the early apostles and their traditions serve as a basis for the religion, when the holy texts, doctrines, and even the religious language used was created by their descendants?
You can assume that, but Catholics don't simply assume that. They assert that such is *incontrovertibly true*. That's what dogma means, and apostolic succession is part of Catholic dogma. So you'd be perfectly logically fine simply making assumptions and saying - honestly - that you're simply operating on those assumptions. You wouldn't have that circularity in justification of reasoning if you just said brutely that you were making an assumption somewhere that one of those things was simply and assumption without need of logical justification. But Catholicism doesn't do that, because if they did that it wouldn't be a dogma (since an assumption can just as easily be false as true).
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How is MA going to fight in space?
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>>150836714
>that picture

wtf I love mobile armors now
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I posted this on /m/ but since this thread is still active, I'll ask here as well.
Let me get this straight, they debuted Helmwige only to have him job right up vs Vidar?

I guess that card was accurate in the end, except it wasn't Grimegerde that Vidar was stabbing but Helmwige instead.
RIP in pieces, Itsurugi.

Also, I guess that Flauros will be the one to take out the MA with it's dual cannon bullshit in beast-mode or something.
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>>150836893
Too bad its piloted by one of the most unlikeable cunts in all of gundam.

And if you like that you may like the thing it was developed from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xnyVEZri7s
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>>150836711
>You haven't addressed the fact that the early church compiled the scriptures into a canon
I don't know that they did, and even if they might have, I have no guarantee whatsoever that it's the same now as it was then. For all I know, the Omphalos hypothesis is true. It would be totally reconcilable with Scripture, and would deny any real tradition as even having ever existed if you put the start point further enough along. I'm concerned with the logic, because that's something I can absolutely grasp with no doubt.
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>>150836887
They flying?
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>>150836887
By grabbing and spearing enemies with its pile driver claws while the pluma rape everything around them?
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>>150837024
From what I understood, Macgillis didn't get into the Helmwige because he said he wasn't ready.

But Gaelio will mistake Helmwige as being piloted by Macgillis and will destroy it.

So Macgillis was saved by luck.
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>>150819334
Was the point is Iok as a character to make someone so impossibly stupid that even Kudelia looked competent by comparison?
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>>150836711
>Everything matters, because God made it
That's absolutely false. For instance, neither your nor my feelings or comfort (or anyone else's) carry any existential significance whatsoever. We're to obey God. Dead stop. That's what matters and nothing else as far as we're concerned. God does not say "love the world" - He says *THE OPPOSITE*. There are so many passages about how we're not supposed to concern ourselves with the world and worldliness it's not even funny.

>but not in the sense that they are both the same grade of evil. Lying about cookies is a minor flaw, murdering someone takes a moral depravity that kills your human compassion in order to do that act. Comparing the moral weight of both actions is illogical
No. They're the same "grade" of evil in that there's only one "grade" of evil. Evil. There's nothing illogical about that conclusion - it's a very easy inference to draw from Scripture.
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Love the fact that they intended the Gadelaza in 00 to be the ultimate mobile weapon, given a Colony Laser capable of wiping a small country completely off the map, a MA over three times the size of a battleship and it gets picked off by a literal alien invasion like it was nothing.

Exaggeration to prove a simple point is sometimes a tremendous boon of the Gundam series.
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>>150837034
Why are Zeon mechas so much more aesthetic than Federation ones? Are they the master race?
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>>150837034
I wanna fuck Neue Ziel
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>>150837134
Maybe McGillis foresaw this, enemies/Gjallarhorn attacking the commander unit and purposely chose not to pilot it as a result.
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>>150837034
>>150837076
Neue ziel mind
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>>150837134
He didn't get into it because due to his position he can't pilot it. Either because he is formally supposed to use the Graze Ritter or because he can't be seen as the pilot of it due to it being a machine associated with Montag.
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>>150836893

Mobile Armor designs range from retarded to fucking cool as hell designs.
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>>150837193
It's funny, but someone actually built and used one in 1/144 scale in the build fighters side manga. It was the size of a surfboard and he had to carry it around supported over his shoulder when not on the battle table.
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Why does /m/ hate IBO?
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>>150836878
#notallCatholics

It's not just about making assumptions (although many people are content with that). I'm not above reading things on my own or afraid of it either- otherwise, I wouldn't even be talking to you right now.

If you don't agree with apostolic succession, can you explain why? What's wrong with me assuming what I did?

>>150837039
They did, it's not up for debate. The early church in all of its councils established the early doctrines of the church as well as the Bible canon. and the development of the religious language came from borrowing Greco-Roman ideas by the early theologians. Without the idea of the Trinity, for example, or something like the man-God duality of Jesus, how would Christianity look like? Would it have gone more gnostic, or more Jewish, or something completely different?

YEC makes no logical sense because science show the earth is older than 6k. No amount of mental gymnastics can reconcile that with the reality of the universe.

>>150837171
Are feelings "things"? Regardless, how can you say they don't carry existential significance? What is love?

You're taking those the wrong way. He says not to be too attached and to put the world in front of God, but He never says the opposite of loving the world. Our fellow humans are part of the world, we're commanded to love our neighbors. And our goal is to bring heaven on earth, you can't bring heaven on earth if you don't love the earth- because if you didn't, why would you bring heaven here?

There's only one result from evil but they're not all the same evil. Again, it's illogical to say so.
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>>150837341
I like when people take the retarded ones and urn them into something actually sort of cool.
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>>150837341
Wtf are you me?
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>>150836574
In the first MSG, Mobile Armors lost out on the contract to be Zeon's space superiority fighter. An MS has better maneuverability compared to an MA due to using its limbs in space to turn via momentum, whereas an MA has to use propellant to turn around and maneuver.

The MA concept went back to the drawing board, and a few emerged later like the Bigro and the Big Zam, but were all beaten despite their massive destructive power. The Federation later took a look at their notes and produced some similar machines like the GP-03 Orchis, and the Psyco Gundam series, which were essentially giant, heavily armed mobile suits equipped with special systems. Other MAs later down the line tended to follow this trend.

Due to MAs size, cost, and strength, they're not seen often outside of decisive battles. SEED is the exception to this rule, where the Earth forces of that setting were getting rekt for the longest time because they were using shitty small MAs against ZAFT's superior, more agile GINN MS.
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>>150837502
probably because of the QUALITY animation and the focus on kudelia during the first season.
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>>150837573
Those things in Seed weren't even really MAs, more like the SEED version of the Ball.

>>150837502
They're actually coming around to this second season and starting to discuss it more in recent weeks.
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>>150837526
Here's a thought that comes to mind:

>the world is limited, God is not
>loving the world would mean loving limitations and imperfection
>loving God would mean loving everything without limit
>and God wants us to be like Him

Food for thought.
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>>150835596
>It's further proof that this is 4chan.
>Threads can veer off in unexpected directions.
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>>150837655
>loving everything without limit AND perfection
I meant to include that.
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>>150837655
You're called to love your neighbor as yourself. So either Jesus contradicted yourself or your reasoning is flawed

Also limited and imperfect creation may be, God still called it "good". If it's good enough for God, it's good enough for me.

And loving God by extension includes loving His creations. If you can't love His handiwork, how can you claim to love Him?
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>>150837199
Zeeks are Space Nazis after all.
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>>150837502
It's about 60/40. /m/ has some very vocal minorities that will just shit on any new series because reasons. Most of us really love the designs, but some people complain endlessly about the plot details, rather than discuss what they like.

Not that it's wrong to discuss a show's shortcomings, but it gets really old to hear a certain unpleasable subgroup always complain. It's a problem.
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>>150822941
What happened to the whole kiss scene?
It was forgotten and never spoken of again.
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>>150837526
>#notallCatholics
You're a heretic like me m8, since you're rejecting Catholic dogma senpai.

I explained why - it's logically unjustifiable when it comes to the *actual* Cahtolic position.
It also has essentially no solid Scriptural basis.
"Eh uh Peter da rock sooooo.... APUSTOLIK SUHSESHUN!"
It's incredibly uncompelling as a proposition.

>>150837526
>They did, it's not up for debate
Absolutely it is. You can't even logically confirm as a necessary truth what happened in your life *yesterday* actually happened as you remember it.
That's simply the case. It's really basic skepticism. Descartes for days.

>YEC makes no logical sense because science show the earth is older than 6k
That is a terrible argument.
God created the universe in basic Christian assumptions - what logically precludes the possibility that God made the universe with certain qualities, among which is matter being in some state which others might attribute to some age while not neessarily beign reflective of age? The answer to that is nothing - it is entirely logically possible.

>>150837526
"Thing" is a technical term in philosophy, and yes - qualities of consciousness or qualities that interact with consciousness are things (an object of description).
Depends on how you treat love. If you treat it as benevolence - which you can entirely reasonably in regard to Scripture - then love is a duty and not a feeling as per Kant.
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>>150837746
I could have worded that better, my point was to love everything in creation like God, not to limit love.
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>>150837526
>There's only one result from evil but they're not all the same evil. Again, it's illogical to say so
What about the proposition that all evil is simply evil and that there are no degrees or magnitudes of evil is "illogical"? What about the proposition defies logic? I feel like you don't know what logic actually is, and are treating it as something else entirely.
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>>150837941
Fumitan died and their relationship evolved into a different direction. Not that Mika ever found Kudelia hot to begin with.
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>>150837809
Honestly I'd gladly stop ranting about IBO if establishment places like ANN and MAHQ will admit it has serious problems and call them out, they don't get addressed or if they do it is easily brushed off which legitimately feels extremely deceptive.
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>>150837946
I didn't reject Catholic dogma, but I'm willing to discuss it and even disagree with it if it makes sense to do so. I'm not a slave.

The actual Catholic position that we have to believe it?

Peter being the rock is the justification for the papacy, but I like how you refer so much to scripture but dismiss that one just because.

What do you consider a "solid Scriptural basis"?

>Absolutely it is. You can't even logically confirm as a necessary truth what happened in your life *yesterday* actually happened as you remember it.

You can try to disagree with history but you're going to have to show more for your skepticism other than your anti-Catholic bias.

That's cute but science is based on a lot of observation, data, logic, etc. It's not something a layman can just be skeptical about and be hunky dory about. If you're skeptical of established science, be prepared to explain why and how.
Also God wouldn't lie, as that is a sin. He wouldn't commit evil.

>"Thing" is a technical term in philosophy
I didn't realize that. But still, why do you say feelings carry no existential significance?

The way many people see love is action- stating "love" is meaningless if there's no demonstration of. If you love someone, it's seen, not merely heard.

>>150837951
You don't have to limit your love. Loving yourself as an aspect of God's creation need not have limit if you're passing that love onto God as creator as well.

>>150838001
Give me a logical argument then, with your premises and conclusion from them.
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>>150838315
I don't see why I nor anybody on /a/ should concern themselves with those places. They're not here. If you would like to talk about the state of affairs on those sites, I think they would be the better plate to do that.
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>>150838361
>and even disagree with it if it makes sense to do so
Most Catholic bishops would hold you can't do that and be a Catholic.
That's one among many reasons I'm not a Catholic - there are just too many things in Catholicism that require a tossing away of one's intellectual integrity.
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>>150838361
I don't dismiss that passage - I think it means something other than what Catholics parade it as.

A solid Scriptural basis is explicit and not unclear in that it can't reasonably be interpreted in other ways. To be a reasonable interpretation is to be an interpretation that is not contradictory to standing clauses in the rest of Scripture.
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>>150838315
Why does it matter what other places think? They don't, get over yourself.
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>>150838361
>you're going to have to show more for your skepticism
Descartes' Meditations.
I would hope you're familiar?
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>>150838361
>why do you say feelings carry no existential significance
Because they have no necessary relation to our commandments whatsoever. Understanding does. I may well feel pain, anguish, and to some extent betrayal were to God ever tell me to sacrifice my son as He did to Abraham for instance, but those feelings have no bearing whatsoever on what I'm supposed to do or how God will judge me so long as I am willing to do it anyway on the pure, unadulterated understanding that to do so is right. Feelings play no part in this whatsoever - they're irrelevant in any and all ways. They're insubstantial.
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>>150838563
Because newbies don't know any better and are not getting accurate information of the goods and bads, it feels very dishonest from places used to educate people and have a lot of influence. Nobody takes 4chan seriously and that's okay, but people do take places like this seriously, it matters a little more when they make mistakes. Go to /co/'s Toonami livestreams and you'll see this,everyone starts out on a hype train because of news sources, but got something different that bored and angered them. Japan had similar feelings yet nobody outside of here brings it up.
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>>150838315
It's not that people don't realize it had problems Anon. That's obvious.

Maybe they just want to talk about the things they like about it? Give it some thought.
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>>150838450
I'm sure Francis would be ok with it though. And ultimately, I'm answerable to God.

>>150838528
ok.....what do you interpret it as, and if you say Peter is supposed to be a little rock I'll slap you.

You can't use scripture to interpret scripture. THAT'S circular reasoning. That's why the RCC has tradition and scripture, because they're supposed to complement each other, and also they built both (not to mention that tradition came before the bible canon and even before the gospels.)

>>150838575
Your skepticism, not Descartes'

>>150838711
Intentions matter. Helping someone out for the wrong reasons taints that morally good action with evil intention.

People act on their feelings. That's why we have murders out of passion and great works of altruism. Also God knows our heart, that's why Jesus tells us to worship in secret and not let the left hand know what the right is doing
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>>150838361
>The way many people see love is action- stating "love" is meaningless if there's no demonstration of. If you love someone, it's seen, not merely heard
Love in how I formulate it substantively in regard to Scripture is a duty, which requires understanding to carry out meaningfully. So it is generally an outward force (though it need not be), though it is definitively not based in feelings.

>Give me a logical argument then, with your premises and conclusion from them
Shouldn't I have my questions answered first here? You called what I was saying illogical - I'd want to know what about what I'd says is so from your current perspective.
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>>150838827
You are answerable to God. I'm glad you think that way rather than the way the Catholic church would have you think.

>what do you interpret it as
He's telling Peter he's got a lot of responsibility, because Peter is going to be the first one to start spreading the Gospel. It's both prophecy and encouragement for the man who's spreading the Word of God for the first time after Christ is taken to heaven
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>>150838820
>Maybe they just want to talk about the things they like about it? Give it some thought.
I'd agree with this statement except their review sections are normally objective to some degree and it is either severely lacking or easily scrubbed, it feels like promotion almost. This wouldn't even bother me that much if there wasn't so much focus on "muh fresh n new!" I expect informative sites to be better than to be bought into this. That's not even getting into how other important factors (music, sound design and mixing, animation, art, pacing, etc) go more increasingly ignored in animation.
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>>150838827
The skepticism I'm talking about is exactly the same kind of skepticism Descartes' articulates in Meditations.

Intentions matter, yes. But intentions come from understanding and not from feelings.
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>>150838773
I still don't think that matters. They're watching episodes I saw 9 months ago and have since exhausted discussion on them. I know that I am informed and up to date, isn't that what matters most?
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>>150838773
Are you autistic? For real?

Who cares what other places think? That's a really bad justification for objecting needless negativity into threads where people just want to discuss what they like about a show.

At the end of the day, you don't convince anyone. You just end up looking like an asshole who can't stop himself sperging out when he sees people enjoying something he doesn't like.
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>>150838827
>You can't use scripture to interpret scripture
That's like saying I can't use the Federalist Papers to interpret the Constitution because you group them up and say they're both "founding documents", and that I can't use "founding documents" to interpret "founding documents".

It doesn't work like that.
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>>150838987
That's just it, YOU are, not new and upcoming fans.
>>150839025
>Who cares what other places think?
Way too many
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>>150838987
>>150839025
This reminds me of the "who cares if national news corporations spread misinformation?" mentality, left unchecked really bad things happen.
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>>150839080
Then what you can do when toonami starts showing Unicorn is go to /co/'s threads and tell them to watch all of UC, to go to /m/, or perhaps to /a/, to enlighten them.
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>>150838838
I see love how Paul described it, in addition to God=Love of course. But it's also a feeling. We are not machines, and love is supposed to be something transformative, which feelings many time can be.

I think I already explained it, but I guess I see it as moral weight varying between different actions based on one's moral knowledge and responsibility. For example, kids aren't held to the same moral standard as adults because they lack that knowledge and responsibility. That's why traditionally first communion begins at the age of reason (7+)

>>150838910
I would think the Pope and the Catholic catechism say the same thing. I've never heard otherwise, in any case.

But that doesn't make sense, because the one who spread the gospel the most was Paul, and to such an extent that many people even call Christianity "Pauline".
Also the primacy of Peter was established early on, it's not something the CC made up, it had been around for at least several decades before Constantine.

>>150838981
I have only a vague inking of Meditations (I never read it), but regardless, historians have documented the early church and how the religion developed, so casting suspicion isn't reasonable if it's not based on something that can rebut what historians have to say on the subject

But intentions can also be influenced by feelings (greed, envy, etc).

>>150839073
The Federalist papers are the "Tradition" and the Constitution is the "Bible". But in that example, the constitution came first, and the FP are interpretations that came later, while the traditions came first, and the NT scriptures came later (at least in terms of the gospels and Revelations)

Also it seems the thread is close to dying so this talk probably won't go much longer, but I enjoyed it
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>>150839213
I really enjoyed Unicorn.
"Zeon fanwank shit" yeah yeah but it was still pretty cohesive and dear Lord it was pretty.

>>150839266
There's no reason for me to think of love Scripturally as a feeling, since it makes a number of passages and inferences not make as much sense while not accomplishing anything important were I to regard love as a feeling.
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>>150838960
What the fuck are you smoking?

First of all, you're spewing a load of unrelated hyperbole about some vague vendetta you have against various sites that aren't meeting your arbitrary standard of "authenticity", and then using that as some excuse to come and dump on people who don't see things your way. It just sounds like a hyper disorganized way of justifying your poor behavior by blaming it on others.

What you think is "objective" is probably not so, and reeks of self-importance. Everyone has different tastes, and just because yours is not mine, for example, that does not make either of ours less valid.

Even if you don't like IBO or G-Reco or even Destiny, to say that any are "objectively bad" is completely wrong, and asking for a fight.
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>>150839266
>I see it as moral weight varying between different actions based on one's moral knowledge and responsibility
I see that view as wholly unconscionable. The ignorant murderer is not morally any better than the informed one.

>I would think the Pope and the Catholic catechism say the same thing
Oh sure they do hold you answerable to God. But you're also supposed to be answerable to them. Which is wrong, since you're not.
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>>150839266
>Also the primacy of Peter was established early on, it's not something the CC made up, it had been around for at least several decades before Constantine
I think everything was messed up from the beginning, so even if that were true it wouldn't change anything for me. Humans screw things up, while God doesn't.
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>>150839266
>I have only a vague inking of Meditations
Well here you are then.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/descartes-epistemology/
I'm talking in terms of worldly and sensory, heavy Cartesian skepticism. It seems you don't know what bearing that actually has, and this thread is going to die soon, so I'd encourage you to read the link and then the previous posts to get an inkling of how I was utilizing doubt in this vein of the conversation.
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>>150839331
I didn't say it's just a feeling. I don't see why it can't be what you said and also a feeling, to you at least. Explain why you don't think it can't be

But the other thing is, a duty is a forced kind of thing- you HAVE to do it. How is that loving? Love requires choice, you can't say you love someone without having a real choice to do so.

>>150839412
You can't really hold an ignorant person 100% at fault for their actions; otherwise, you're assuming they'd do the same if they are not ignorant.

Why not? Is that not why Jesus had disciples to lead His followers? We're not meant to interpret scripture on our own, at least not without the necessary knowledge to gather logical conclusions from. That's why priests have to study for years. That's why theologians read scriptures in their original texts. To me it sounds like your idea of answerable is immutable, I hold answerable to different degrees.

>>150839494
If everything is messed up from the beginning, does not that not include the NT as well?
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>>150839266
>The Federalist papers are the "Tradition" and the Constitution is the "Bible"
So you can't have differentiation in Scripture despite almost all of Scripture being produced in different times and by different authors...?

That seems very silly.
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>>150839266
Yeah it's always fun.

>>150839600
You can treat it as a feeling, but the feeling isn't important.

>But the other thing is, a duty is a forced kind of thing- you HAVE to do it. How is that loving?
Commandments from God are duties bro. That's like saying God isn't loving because he requires things from you.
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>>150839600
>You can't really hold an ignorant person 100% at fault for their actions
But I can and I do.
It might be more understandable that a person might make a mistake behind a veil of ignorance, but it's not more excusable or any less wrong.
You have an obligation to be wise and to dispel ignorance so that you *CAN* make proper moral decisions. It's not an excuse to murder someone (or sin in any other way) and then pretend it's any better just because they didn't fully grasp their actions. It's *just as bad*.
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>>150839600
>If everything is messed up from the beginning, does not that not include the NT as well?
I think a lot of the Pauline documents contain numerous misunderstandings of the Gospels, so in a sense yes - I think that's true.
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>>150839644
For the Descartes link, what do you want me to read first to make sense of your previous comments?

as for the scripture comment, you can have differentiation. but at the same time, you have to make sure you're interpreting scripture properly, and if it even fits. And again, the NT canon was established after the church traditions, and the gospels/revelations were written after the early church was forming itself.

>>150839695
tanoshii

>You can treat it as a feeling, but the feeling isn't important.
You mentioned that some passages wouldn't make sense if love was a feeling. What exactly?

>Commandments from God are duties bro. That's like saying God isn't loving because he requires things from you.
I don't see it that way. The requirement comes from the fact that love is something outwardly (like you said) but also that love is expressed. You show your love by obeying, but its given freely, not forced. A duty, a command is forced. But this plays into our whole disagreement of black/white moral actions so we may not agree on this point either.

>>150839785
It's not excusable but it's understandable. That's why even the court of law gives differing punishments according to the intent as well as the crime done.
Feigning ignorance or willful ignorance obviously doesn't play into that, I'm taking about genuine ignorance.

>>150839828
And the gospels?
The pauline epistles are Paul's ideas- they're not meant to be the end all. But wouldn't that be true of a lot of scripture as well?
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>>150839979
The whole thing is great - it's all relevant.
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>>150839979
>The pauline epistles are Paul's ideas- they're not meant to be the end all
Oh lawd imagining you saying that to a Catholic bishop is really funny to me. I agree completely though.
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>>150839979
>That's why even the court of law gives differing punishments according to the intent as well as the crime done
I disagree with worldly punishment to begin with. I take a non-retaliatory, pacifistic approach to my faith that I think the Sermon on the Mount really demands of Christians.
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>>150839991
I can't read that fast lol but I'll read it all in due time

>>150840022
I don't see why they would freak out if they're at all reasonable, but then again, a lot of them are kind of old farts. I'd imagine someone like Francis would be a lot more fun to talk to over that.
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>>150840072
The earthly court is a pragmatic thing to "protect" society but I do think it needs massive reform. But you can't exactly make the US or another secular nation follow the Sermon, right?
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>>150839979
>I don't see it that way
A duty isn't necessarily forced bro - it's just what you're supposed to do. An obligation.
God's commandments are most definitively duties.
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>>150840135
I think they're sinful, since they disobey Christ's commands to us that He made in the Sermon on the Mount.

I don't want to "make" anyone do anything. I just want people to recognize Christ, like any Christian ought to.
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>>150840156
Aren't obligations almost like a compulsion though? Isn't that part of the meaning? Like, if you fail an obligation, there are repercussions to doing so?

>>150840238
Not make them as in forcibly do it, but secular nations are upholden to not let religious laws/precepts/etc guide lawmaking, so they won't be convinced by logical arguments or debates.
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