Who was Shirou's true love?

>>150462425
Swords.

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His imaginary girlfriend who also happened to be king of England, obviously.

>>150462425
Rin

>>150462425
Passionlip.Those sword fingers would make him hard.

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>>150462425
Sakura, as confirmed by Nasu.

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>>150462425
Illya

>>150462466

So that was why Sakura decided to make a sword variant of one of her shadow spells.

She just wanted to get closer to senpai.

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Before swords. Before rin, sakura or saber. There was only one all consuming passion he loved.

>>150462947
>Sakura, as confirmed by Nasu.
Source your ass.

>>150462425
Kamen Rider.

>>150463368

So what you are saying, is that since he enjoys cooking with Sakura, and competes with her in the kitchen, that she has already won?

Good man, I agree.

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>>150463375
>HF is referred to as the grand finale by the Tiger Dojo
>Zelretch appears in HF, solidifying it as the canon route
>Nasu: "Romance" is something where a couple blindly pursue each other's ideals. "Love," on the other hand, is something where two people accept each other, including the painful reality that comes with it. There are no ideals to be found there. It's just about coming to terms with reality.

>>150463621
>HF is referred to as the grand finale by the Tiger Dojo
>Zelretch appears in HF, solidifying it as the canon route
Then Nasu retconned it by saying that no route is canon to appease Fatefags and UBWfags.

>>150462425
archer of course

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>>150463621
>"Love," on the other hand, is something where two people accept each other, including the painful reality that comes with it.

this is one of the requirements though

>>150463621
being with Sakura is only pain considering how shit she is

>>150462425

Who was Rin's true love?

>>150465175
Money

>>150465175

Luvia

>>150462425
He didn't love anyone. He died a kissless virgin.

>>150463621
>>HF is referred to as the grand finale by the Tiger Dojo
Do you know that Tiger Dojos are omake-level meta comedy, right? RIGHT?!
>Zelretch appears in HF, solidifying it as the canon route
Dude, Zelretch's presence itself means nothing about what is canon and what not. He has just access to all dimensions, but that doesn't mean that world which he doesn't visited are less canon than those which he did.

>>150465286
Someone hasn't played the VN

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>>150462425

>>150465523
>Implying Shirou isn't a kissless virgin
Who the fuck would fuck a pussy like him?

Shirou is pretty autistic, I find it hard to believe he can love anyone

He's such a blank slate in the beginning before shit kicks off, like a robot

>>150465693
Saber, Rin, Sakura and Rider

>>150465612
tfw no illya route

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>>150462425
saber

>>150465175
Old men's money

Probably Saber

>>150465693
Have you seen his abs? I'd fuck him.

>>150466187
Have you seen Archer's abs? That's a guy worth going gay for. Not Shirou. Shirou was a mistake.

Don't forget that Rin and Shiro drift apart if they date each other.

>>150466650
Last shot of anime on Shirou alone in desert, does not necessarily mean, that they drifted apart. Rin personally stated that she will follow him. Shirou can be simply just on some mission.

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>>150466650
Nope
If anything, they become more honest.

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>>150468413
>>150468605
>the future of Shirou's relationship with Rin
You know she can't give up that old man money.

>>150468605
True. Future Rin would never actually drift apart with Shirou. She is too devoted to him. She is either home humbly raising their child, or somewhere around to watch over him.

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>>150462425
It's always gonna be Sakura

>>150463739
>>150463621
Rhinofags BTFO

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>>150468742
that fucking whore

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Sakura > shit > Rin

>>150469165
>Sakura eclipse -> Pure hand holding sex.
>Rin eclipse -> Lovable passionate baby-making.
Clear difference.

>>150470201
Rin is a cunt

>>150462425
I genuinely feel sorry for those that have a taste so shit that they have Sakura as their favorite fate girl.

>>150470374
kys

>>150470527
I feel sorry for those who still try to force the meme that there's anything wrong with Sakura or liking her.

>>150462425
Brades

>>150470943
>meme
It's a fact, the only ones forcing memes into other girls to degrade them are the wormfags.

Me.

>>150471009
>"worms"
>she's literally dewormed on the very same day it's revealed she had worms in her
Nope, it's always been you trying (and failing) to force your unfunny meme onto best girl.

>>150471100
>Had worms
>lived with worms
>Got her virginity taken by worms
I am justified for calling her a wormslut.

>>150471144
Losing your virginity doesn't make you a slut, /pol/.

>>150471188
Having countless worms in your cunt does.

>>150471273
See >>150471100

>>150471325
So what she has had worms in her cunt all her life.

>>150471366
They're all gone by the time she first has sex with the one she loves, so it doesn't matter. She doesn't have worms, and she's not a slut. It's that simple.

>>150471417
She is a slut. Do you even know the definition of it? She is unclean with all the worms in her vagina. She is a dirty wormslut.

>>150471480
>all the worms in her vagina
All zero of them, you mean? Last time I checked, there aren't any H-scenes that take place before Kotomine removes them from her.

>>150466650
Of course, they never liked each other to begin with. Worst pairing in the series

>>150465701
It's an eroge so the female characters have to immediately find a reason to fall in love with him besides Sakura

>>150470374

Rin likes cunt

>>150471513
It doesn't fucking matter if they get removed when all her life she was a fucking wormslut, and even with Kotomine removing most of them the king worm was still inside her.

>>150471640
>like sluts
>doesn't like worms

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>>150462425
Justice.

>>150471640
>It doesn't fucking matter if they get removed
It literally does. If there are no worms, she can't be a wormslut.
>king worm was still inside her.
Yeah, inside her heart, so nowhere near her vagina, not to mention that one gets removed as well later on. Checkmate.

>>150471703
"If it means accepting all of the world's evils, I don't care" - Emiya Shirou aka Kiritsugu II

>>150471703
I know what's right and what's wrong. What I've protected until now, and what I want to protect right now. I know which choice is correct, and which is wrong. With that in mind, I

http://www.strawpoll.me/11582162

>>150462425
As Rin fag, I agree if Shirou's true love is Slutkura.
It's way better if Rin end up with no body and stay pure til the end.

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>>150471872
>Rin
>stay pure

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>>150462466
First Post Best Post

>>150471872

>Stays pure

>>150471915 has it right when there's a certain blonde girl who would well render Rin decidedly impure.

>>150471798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11785313

>>150471713
>Keeps ignoring that her entire life until that point was her fucking worms in a basement for training.

Stay fucking delusional wormslutfag.

>>150462425
Always felt Sakura was his true love. The relationships he shares with Saber and Rin are nice, but the one he shares with Sakura always felt more intense and raw.

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>>150471916
Shame UBW and FGO killed Nasuverse threads

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>>150462425
His true love is swords.

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What are your favorite moments in the series?

>>150471995
And she endured it marvelously, got the worms removed and turned out to be the most faithful and devoted to Shirou. Ergo, not a "wormslut" in the least.

>>150472105

Being honest, that first H-Scene in the Cabin.

>>150471995
>Dog gets worms
>Get it dewormed
>It's forever tainted and I have to burn it and get a new dog because it's unpure
Grow up.

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>>150471798
Damn.

>>150472115
She didn't endure shit. The reason she wants to fuck on her first night is DUE to the FUCKING WORMS draining her. A wormslut to the end. But again stay delusional its funny.

I hate Wormslut arguments. Can we just ditch that whole sorry mess and focus on something else?

>>150472216
You sound a bit upset that your forced buzzword just got dismantled. It's all right there in the VN, deal with it.

>he only wants to start a restaurant/sword smith business and live his life enjoying his hobbies
>all the bitches want his cock instead
>said bitches have all major issues where he has to risk his life to help them

Poor guy.

>>150472379

Shirou has sexual needs and desires, coupled with a desire to help people. He's going to get involved with someone at some point. It's just who he is.

>>150472288
stay mad wormslutfag sakura is a shit worst girl from type moon by far.

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>>150472278
Agreed.

>>150472288
>>150472288
>It's all right there in the VN, deal with it.
Yup you said it. She is a wormslut deal with it.
>>150472208
Your dog is not fucking the worm and getting sexual pleasure from it. Nor do his worms make him go in heat. Fucking Wormslutfags being retards like always.

>>150472424
Honestly, if you look past his weirdly chivalrous attitude, Shirou is a huge pervert.

>>150472278
No she is a wormslut. Deal with the meme you fucking paper skin wimp.

>>150472487

I think that's common in a lot of men.

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>>150472448
>>150472458
>>150472508

>>150465175
Little known fact: Rin is the actual harem protagonist.

I mean there's Shirou, Saber, Archer, Rider, Luvia...

Purityfags are fucking stupid, Sakura is not worst girl because she was raped by worms, she's worst girl because she's incredibly bland and she leads Shirou away from the path of justice.

>>150465693
Issei

>>150472562
Glad you agree with me on her being a Wormslut.

>>150471144
being raped doesn't count as losing your virginity, you dickwad

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>>150462425
It's swords.

>>150472594
And she is a wormslut on top of it all. If you have someone likable that gets raped it calls down sympathy but with this slut I am just happy her route is one of the hardest to happen.

>>150472656
Nope, she's as dewormed and pure as it gets.

>>150472673
HAHAHAHAHA

>T. Wormslutfags

>>150472105
Assassin's final duel with Saber. Best ship.

>>150471561
He questioned Shirou loving them, not them loving Shirou. Learn to read.

>>150472594
The path of justice was a mistake. Kiritsugu and Archer agreed, don't bother them about it.

>>150472747
I'm not actually that fond of Sakura in general, my true love is Assassin.

>>150472673
This. Virginity isn't something that can be taken, it's something that a woman willingly relinquishes to the one she truly loves.

UBW is still the best route for me. Shirou actually pursued his ideals and LONDON

>>150472673
>>150472878
Get the fuck out. Shitty ass SJWs.

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>>150472699
>I am just happy her route is one of the hardest to happen.
Saving the best for last. You have to work hard for best girls route. She isn't easy like the other two especially her sister.

>>150463621
Literally none of this matters you deluded fuck

>>150472981
Back to >>>/pol/ with you.

>>150472673
>>150472878
> fucks 100 men
> says all of them raped her
> Is still a virgin because she hasn't relinquished her virginity to the man she loves

The future is full of cucks.

>>150472756
muh honor and chivalry

>>150472772
Saber, Illya, Taiga or Sakura then.

>>150473012
>best girls route.
Your opinion m8, and it is shit tbqh.

>>150473065
>chivalry
i said Kojiro, not Diarmuid

but yeah desu

>>150473012
>HF is about sakura

sure sure.

>>150473047
/pol/ is part of 4chan, but you need to get the fuck out of this website with your cuck views.

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>>150473134
>it is shit tbqh.
Your opinion m8.

>>150473012
>hardest
What I meant there that it was the most unlikely to happen you dumbass.

>>150473048
>>150473184
>/pol/ buzzword
Gee, what a surprise.

>>150473168
that's how they rewrote it for the anime

>>150473184
Fate fans are cucks by nature.

>>150473246
Why haven't you left yet?

>>150462425
>Who was Shirou's true love?
By virtue of popularity and common sense: Saber.
By virtue of screentime and chemistry: Tohsaka.
By virtue of Deux ex Machina and asspulls: Sakura.

>>150473301
Nasu: I think Fate/stay night does lack that "battle royale" atmosphere, but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura. Saber and Rin respresent the fun and sweetness of romance. But I wanted to express the tragic nature of love with Sakura.

Uro: There's yet another different type of love depicted in the Sakura route. It really expresses the dark sides that all women have, but how men can accept that and love women regardless. Something akin to the "dignity of men" comes across.

Nasu: "Romance" is something where a couple blindly pursue each other's ideals. "Love," on the other hand, is something where two people accept each other, including the painful reality that comes with it. There are no ideals to be found there. It's just about coming to terms with reality. They don't even have time to dream... but you can't just keep pushing harsh realities over the hopes and dreams of young people. Let's talk about something more fun!

>>150473250
Point. I still wish the final Saber/Assassin battle was properly done in the anime. I mean, I still liked it, overall, and I get that they were saving their budget for the actual final battle, but still.

desu i may be letting my extreme crush on Assassin get the better of me

>>150473348
Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...

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>>150473301
>chemistry
You know you're dealing with an asshurt as fuck shipperfag when you hear this word.

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Nasu on HF True:

Yes. It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Sabre and Ilya were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote.

Nasu: Yes, its plot was created with porn in mind.

Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...

Nasu: I mean, this is something we built on the foundation of being an 18+ bishoujo game from the very beginning. Certainly, if asked if Saber and Rin's routes needed porn scenes, I'd answer "those are fanservice scenes". But that absolutely doesn't mean there's no love in them, and since I decided to create it in this form to begin with, I put my all into them, and that's all that's needed. To put it another way - these elements included, I can say with pride that this is a game that can be enjoyed by adults over 18 who understand both bitterness and sweetness. This is adult amusement, so it's okay for it to have porn! Actually, maybe it should have it.

>>150473445
I ship Rin with Saber tho.

>>150473471
So, the HF rape was needed after all!

>>150473475
I ship Rin with Shinji. They are so cute together!

>>150473471
>Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer
Wormfags BTFO.

>>150473471
And then all that got retconned in Realta Nua.

>>150473542
Why would Shinji cuck Sakura with Rin?
I agree she's the superior sister, but Shinji is loyal to his waifu and her servant.

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>>150473471
>Saber and Rin scenes were just fanservice
>Sakura being a wormslut is a plot point

>>150473552
>indirectly
No, he proved all the faggots calling her a mass murderer wrong there. There was no reason to deny her of happiness. Ergo, she did nothing wrong.

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>>150473555
Worm Anon pls

>>150473595
...I mean. It literally was. The reason they're doing movies instead of a tv series for Heaven's Feel is because they really can't divest it from that content. What's your point?

>>150473595
Yea, because it adds to her tragic backstory.

>>150473624
>She's a mass murderer
>That's proof she's not a mass murderer
Wormfags, everyone.

>>150473645
Shirou's relationship with Saber and Rin is forced pandering simulator for otaku compared to his true love for Sakura.

>>150473696
>Wanting you're waifu to love another guy
And people say Saberfags are the cucks...

>tfw you'll never go superhero autism so hard, that you reach you're waifu's world

Fucking Last episode

>>150473624
結局、これは士郎が色々なものを失った後で人間的な幸せを得る話だから、セイバーやイリヤが消えることにな ろうとも桜は幸せにならないといけないな、というところに着地しました。彼女は間接的にとはいえ大量殺人を 犯してしまっているけれど、それで幸せになっちゃいけないというのはやはりおかしい。人間が生きていくのな らば、罪の償いをしながらも同時に幸せを目指したっていいはずだと考えるようになりました。それが偽善に映 ったとしても、この物語はそれを求めてるはずだと強く感じたんですね。いや、正直に言うと、自分の書いた物 語の（無言の）圧力に負けるというのは初めての経験でした。

>>150471703
Fuck I wouldn't mind seeing that play out
Unless he gets Gilgamesh somehow he'd be fucking rekt by everyone though

>>150473696
I mean, Sakura/Rider is the true ship anyway.

>>150473731
Shirou is the harem protag, so it's ok.

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Shirou x Saber > Shirou x Rin > Shirou x Sakura

>>150473748
Google translate:
>She indirectly committed mass murder, although it has committed mass murder
What does this mean? she's a double mass murderer? why would Nasu say she's a mass murderer twice?
I get she's a mass murderer, but overemphasizing that statement, that's just cruel.

>>150473748
>間接的に
>幸せになっちゃいけないというのはやはりおかしい
So yeah, not a mass murderer.

>>150473731
>>150473743
>writes Fate story for his love of Arthurian legend
>originally when Arthur had a dick, he was the Stronkest Servant
>he still claims fate is at its core a story of King Arthur seeking the Grail
>willingly writes Garden of Avalon
>says Saber is the shining queen of Type Moon
>thinks she's more visually stunning of all his heroines in fsn
>she gets more people after her than the supposed harem lead in the VN

Nasu actually likes Saber. He just prefers the nonwaifu-shipperfag aspect because that kind of made him uncomfortable to write (the Shirou and Saber romance). He seems to like her a bit with Deermud actually and made the Round Table fawn at her.

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The best.

>>150473629
Is that you, squap guy?

>>150473859
It literally says mass murderer, I know my kanji, there's no room for interpretation.
In fact, in japanese she's not even indirect, she's just a mass murderer.

>>150473696
Sakurafag believe this

>>150473881
Diarmuid is fourth best ship with Saber at best.

I mean, Rin, Kojiro, and Irisviel exist.

>>150473908
>not even indirect
>間接的に
dekinai

>>150473881
>implying Nasu's waifu isn't Takuchi

>>150473951
I don't see the problem there. You should stop using Google translate.
The actual meaning is "reluctant mass murderer", or a more loose one: "sorry mass murderer".

>>150474032
A mass murderer that regrets her crimes.

Is Sakura evil?

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>>150472105
This, hands down

>>150474032
http://jisho.org/search/kansetsuteki
Your bait is poor. It's the exact same indirect as in "kansetsu kissu". In the same way that an indirect isn't an actual kiss, an indirect mass murderer isn't an actual mass murderer.

>>150473471
>Sakura is an indirect mass murderer
>Hitler is an indirect mass murderer
>Osama Bin Laden is an indirect mass murderer
Fucking Nasu, he truly hates Sakura.

>>150473471
I find it hilarious how they are still on damage control with Sakura.

>>150462425
Post Sakura and Shirou kissing please

>>150474136
So you're saying Nasu thinks Hitler did nothing wrong?

>>150474129
>Jisho
Now I know you're desperate.
And an indirect mass murderer still goes to jail, therefore he's still guilty.
Ergo: Sakura is guilty and deserves to be punished.
I'll personally deliver the punishment with my cock.

>>150474179
Saber and Arc are blondes, so it would explain it.

>>150474179
Nasu doesn't think Sakura did nothing wrong. He called the true ending hipocrisy, and theres countless lines in the VN alluding to Sakura atoning for her sins.

>>150474199
Just showing you proof that you're bullshitting. An indirect mass murderer doesn't go to jail if they're not even conscious while doing it, and it's proven that someone else (i.e. Angra Mainyu) is controlling them.

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>Wormfags defend this

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>>150474245
How will the movie with the rewritten dialogue and scenes handle it?

>>150474170
No they are literally the worst couple in this shit show. It's like Bland+Bland into boring.

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>>150474300
Everyone knows that Saber, Rin and Sakura are pandering shit and the worst part of Fate.

>>150474245
Her sins were as Dark Sakura, not as the shadow. Read the VN.

>>150474344
>You may call me a FAKER but I can't fake my love for you!!!

>>150474344
Anything is better than Sakura and Shirou TBQH.

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How butthurt will these autist wormslutfags get when they finally read HF and find out that Shirou himself confirmed Sakura is a mass murderer?

>>150474348
She hid the shadow and let it kill all those people knowing full well that she was at fault and took forever to do anything about it. Naaah, you read the VN.

>>150474398
You mean how it was gradually merging with her body? Seems pretty clear you're the one who hasn't read the VN.

>>150474300
Shirou is fine with Rin and Saber but yeah fuck sakura

>>150474398
OH SHIT WORMSLUTFAGS BTFO

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>>150474398
Game-changer right there, good job Anon.
The fact that it comes from Shirou makes it even more deliciously cruel (and accurate).

>>150474377
>>150474429
>>150474466
>TBQH
>Naaah
>BTFO
Why do anti-Sakurafags constantly type like they're underage or crossboarders?

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this is stupid we need to all agree on the on the one true waifu of fate

let's be honest who here wouldn't kiss sasaki kojiro if they had the opportunity

>>150474398
that's as conclussive as it gets
shirou experienced the shadow several times and claims she's literally sakura

case closed guys

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>>150474398
Oh look, it's the part where Sakura makes the shadow part of herself to stop it from rampaging on its own anymore. I'm sorry, what were you trying to prove again?

>>150474522
That's the quality you wormshitters deserve TBQFH

>>150474398
>>150474626

the moment when the wormslutfag start to crumble

hahaha this is too good thanks

>>150474647
No, I think it's pretty clear Sakura haters just happen to be edgy 15-year-olds trying to fit in by screaming slut at everything.

>>150474626
>Almost kills everyone anyways
OH LAWD, good thing Shirou got Archer's arm lol.

>>150474626
>Sakura wants to kill them
>her own senpai and nee-san
What a cunt. And people say she's innocent.
That picture plays against you, Wormfag. Your despair is showing.

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Anti-sakurafags are so easily triggered.

>>150474696
TM has tons of better girls to choose from, yet you go for the single shittiest one in existence.

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>>150474398
WORMFAGS BTFO

B T F O
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>>150474750
Why the fuck does it bother you so much that people prefer Sakura?

>>150474724
>And people say she's innocent.
And they're right about it, at that. Sucks to be you, huh?

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>>150474771
Why does it bother you so much that you get called down for having shit taste?

>>150474781
They are not right except for the delusional fags who think otherwise. Not even the creator agrees that she is innocent, you fucking dumbfuck autist.

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>>150474626
Welp, cat's out of the bag. It was fun while it lasted.
But you have to admit some of you actually ended up believing she wasn't the shadow.

Dark Sakura thread?

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>>150474815
I don't care if people dislike Sakura, but why do you guys get so triggered over people liking her?

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>>150474398
>instantly disproven by >>150474626
>this fag will keep spamming the pic just like he does with >>150474794 despite not understanding either of them
Anti-Sakurafags are always a riot.

>>150474794
fucking Kirie. A man so good at hurting people it helps them better themselves

>>150474869
thank you based mulletman

>>150474867
Nice damage control massmurderfag

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Best girl got three films. Nice.

>>150474847
She isn't the shadow. It gradually merges with her over the course of the route, though, and she then makes it part of her to stop its nightly rampages. You'd know this if you read the VN.

>>150474398
This makes me think everyone here is a fucking secondary. How didn't anyone mention this in years of the same old meme fight?
Not that I remembered it either

>>150474840
>Not even the creator agrees that she is innocent
>says there was no reason not to give her a happy ending
Either she is innocent, or Nasu is saying she was justified to kill those people. Considering the ones we saw were rapist delinquents, that could make sense too, I suppose.

>>150474910
Make a list of scenes that will be cut

>>150474916
>She's totally not the Shadow
>Shirou confirms she is
>Well, actually she isn't at the begining but she merged (¿?) with it for that scene
Moving the goalpost.jpg

>>150462425
The high jump pole

>>150474910
3? I though it was only 2?

>>150474398
Where does the 'Sakura is not the shadoe' meme come from anyways? doujins?

>>150472777
Kiritsugu's ideal wasn't wrong, he just got fucked over by circumstances beyond his control. If not for Angra Mainyu he would've achieved world peace
In UBW Shirou is faced with the true nature of his ideal but chooses to keep pursuing it anyway. The only reason he doesn't do the same in HF is because that bitch Sakura causes him to become complicit in the murder of hundreds for her sake.

It's not just HF though, there's still the prisma illya movie coming up that will significantly boost sakura's popularity.

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>>150474398
>Sakurafags on suicide watch

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>>150474938
It's not exactly news that Sakura haters haven't read the VN. The scene also happens to be taken out of its context, as the point Shirou's making isn't that "Sakura was the shadow all along", but that "Sakura is the shadow now" (after its nightly rampages had ended, by the way).

>>150474995
>she merged (¿?)
>being a spic
>not remembering the part about the shadow gradually merging with her
There's a reason why the shadow originally spawned in places far away from Sakura, only for her to then suddenly be inside it when Gil skewered it. Seriously, read the VN.

>>150475126
>Illya
She can't even count, Anon.

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>>150475126
Shirou literally said Sakura is the serial killer. He's the first guy who will defend her, he's biased and even he can't deny the truth. And he knows the Shadow better.
Illya doesn't even know her own servant's powerlevel.

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>>150474995
>she merged (¿?) with it for that scene
The shadow gradually merging with Sakura is a process that's going on for pretty much the entire route, so I'm not sure how you missed that.

>>150475265
So she is the shadow

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>>150475256
>Sakura is the killer!

>>150475265
You spent months saying Sakura was not the Shadow and now you claim she slowly becomes it?
How do you justify this change of heart?

>>150475265
She's its vessel, hence why Nasu describes her as an indirect mass murderer. The thing is that she's not the one at the helm like some are assuming.

>>150475265
She didn't start as the shadow, big deal, she still killed all those people

>>150474976
Did you even read the VN? She wiped out an entire block of innocent people at one point.

>>150475353
>You
The plural form, I assume? Because it's common knowledge. Nobody ever claimed she has no link to the shadow whatsoever, but the point of the link is that she's the grail's vessel who's gradually being corrupted by the mud. She had no control over the mud until it had permeated her completely, but that also served to make her mind get corrupted faster once it had.

>>150475023
Nope, it was confirmed that we'll be getting three films.

>>150475535
>N-no! I never said she wasn't the Shadow!
Sad as fuck.
The fall of a memelord, what a pitiful sight to behold.

>>150475379
>>150475486
Angra Mainyu was the one who killed, not Sakura. It manifesting itself through her body isn't relevant, as the actions themselves were caused by its hunger and urge to kill and destroy.

>>150475594
>Angra Mainyu was the one who killed, not Sakura
Shirou confirmed the one killing people was Sakura. Are you saying you know better than Shirou?

>>150475594
See >>150474398

>The thing that went around town killing people like a machine... is Sakura.
- Emiya Shirou, beloved Senpai. -

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>>150462425
Whoever it is, is definitely not Saber, Rin or Sakura.

Saber is bro tier and romantic implications are too stupid to even consider them valid. She's better as a friend to Shirou.

Rin is too busy lusting after Saber and Rider to consider Shirou anything more than a friend too, maybe she'd invite him to threesomes every so often. And she's busy fucking Archer too (the superior Shirou).

Sakura, well, she MIGHT be a romantic option but considering she's shit tier I wouldn't consider her the best alternative. She's better off being lesbians with Rider.

Illya is for caring and protecting, not romancing or lewdness. Also I heard she's fucking someone named Kuro or something.

So yeah Sakura is the closest thing to a valid romantic option, but only because Rin and Saber are too busy fucking better people. Sakura is probably the only one available.

>>150475700
Honestly, what does it matter if Sakura was responsible for the kills or not? the fact that Senpai himself blames her is the worst possible blow she could take.

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>>150462425
>Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle

What exactly was Nasu trying to convey through this?

>>150474285
>Avenger working through Sakura
ok

>>150475619
>Shirou confirmed the one killing people was Sakura
>The thing that went around town killing people like a machine... is Sakura.
Him saying "is Sakura" rather than "was Sakura" actually changes the meaning of the sentence quite a bit. What he's saying is that the shadow has permeated her body and is the same being as her now. What he's afraid of isn't something like Sakura being the killer all along, but that he can't stop the shadow without killing Sakura in the process anymore. One of the major issues of the route was how to deal with the shadow, remember?

>>150475719
So, Issei, then?

>nuh-uh, it wasn't Sakura who did all that terrible stuff, it was the grail
>but it totally was Sakura who did everything good that she did, what a saint

You can't have it both ways, either she's responsible for her actions or not.

>>150474910
So how will they space them out?
What will happen in the first movie worthy of note?
I imagine it'll stop around the time Rin calls her alliance with Shirou off.

>>150463621
>Zelretch appears in HF, solidifying it as the canon route
Zelretch is completely irrelevant now. The future Merlin saw in Garden of Avalon is Fate route. Which connects to events in FGO. Waver is from a post Fate route timeline too.

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>tfw none of your arguing matters because Nasu himself believes that Sakura has the right to redeem herself and Shirou loves her so much that he doesn't care about the worms or murders

Only purefags dislike Sakura.

>>150475846
Yes.

>>150475950
Not sure about any of that, but the first film is out next year.

>>150476031
cute glasses husbando route when

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>>150476010
I'm not a purefag and I dislike Sakura. Her personality is just plain bad. And HF as a route is a headache.

>>150475878
> It is completely ok to let romantic feelings influence your morals and values
This is like one of those fangirls that make apology of serial murders just because they're hot

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>>150474118
Why do you have to do this to me

;_;

>>150476162
*serial murderers

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>>150475700
See pic related. Shirou had been intending on defeating the shadow with brute force, hence his dismay at realizing it had become one with Sakura.

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>>150476151
Never, too good for us sinners.

The whole point is that Sakura was innocent, but so was Angra Mainyu. They were still dangerous, so Kirei and Shirou fought about which one of them can be spared.

The real evil is human's collective wish for a scapegoat which bit them in their asses.

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>>150476162
But HF as a route is great.
I don't really care for Sakura's romance, but HF has all those great bits like Shirou learning of Kiritsugu's past (and choosing between his ideal or the person he cares the most about), Illya having a bigger role and Kirei clearing the dust off his black keys and fighting to the death with our sword autist. It also explains the nature of the Grail and why it's thoroughly fucked.

>>150476162
I 100% prefer the Shirou who abandons his borrowed ideals to save the love of his life over the Shirou who has the unrealistic dream of saving everyone.

>>150476337
Why is Issei so cute?

Why do people hate the other side of Sakura so much? I don't think you can go through the things she did, and not end up corrupted in some way.

>tfw sakurafag
>tfw she'll probably be easily lured away from you and cuck you
.....
fuck me

>>150475868
Wow, it's almost as if things aren't always black or white.

>>150476524
Somebody hasn't read F/HA. She's by far the most faithful heroine.

>>150476524
No, she's no Rin. Rin is compatible with the goddess of sluts who fucked everyone, including animals (the pig doujins are canon now). Sakura with the goddess of faithful and devoted wifely love.

>>150475111
that's exactly what people said about CCC

>>150476508
Fate and UBW are generic shounen shlock, so when that audience saw the far more gray morality in HF, they were overwhelmed and decided to blame Sakura for everything because she had too much depth for them and wasn't a generic action heroine.

>>150476596
>Rin is compatible with the goddess of sluts who fucked everyone, including animals (the pig doujins are canon now).
RINFAGS BTFO

>>150476648
I agree. HF is much darker than both Fate and UBW.

>>150476648
Type-Moon love doing dark twist routes.

>Arc/Ciel and Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku
>Fate/UBW and HF
>Extra and CCC

>>150476385
>(and choosing between his ideal or the person he cares the most about),
As I said, this is the thing that is wrong with that route. You should NEVER let romantic feelings define your morals or values. Morals are based on your capacity to sympathize with the suffering of others. Even if you love someone, if that person is doing something wrong you shouldn't suddenly change your whole value system just because you want to fuck them.

Love should never be tied to morals. Period.

>>150476419
You're taking two extremes and forgetting that UBW already presented the middle, more healthy alternative.

>>150476596
>including animals
Animals on top of the old men she pleases? Disgusting.

>>150476734
HF is Tsukihime-level, yet people say Zero is the only dark and serious story in the series.

>>150476758
Why does Rin's father let her dress like a slut?

>>150476755
>UBW already presented the middle, more healthy alternative.
Saber x Shirou are okay to me. I prefer Sakura x Shirou because their relationship feels more intense.

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>>150476755
>UBW already presented the middle, more healthy alternative.
>hi, i'm literally you from the future, and i'm here to tell you that the superhero thing was an awful idea. seriously, don't do it, for your own and everyone else's sake. it's all suffering, no gain
>ITS NOT A MISTAKE ITS NOT A MISTAKE NO NO NO YOU BIG MEANIE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE CORRECT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT

>>150476913
t. secondary

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>>150476755
>UBW already presented the middle, more healthy alternative.

Someone didn't read the VN.

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>>150473881
Saber only appreciated Deermud as a fellow chivalryfag. He's a limp wristed faggot who lacks conviction off the battlefield. I think she could have developed some chemistry with Gil in a tsundere kind of way if their goals in the Grail War weren't so polarizing.

>>150462947
Nasu have great taste.

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>>150476994

>>150476994
literally retarded

>>150476840
>I prefer Sakura x Shirou because their relationship feels more intense.
I don't know about you but to me it felt like Sakura being a dull housewife with the personality of a rock. And that she gets jealous because better girls are around. Insecure, shy, and has a pity party the size of everest, and from Shirou's part turning into the most annoying white knight.

I can hardly think of a positive point of their relationship other than maybe having a lot of sex.

>>150476913
I agree that whole sequence was retarded but hoyl shit you can't miss the point this hard.

> hey shirou it's ok to try and save people as much as you can but don't do it at your own expense and actually value your own life bro

>>150476998
Gil's a literal rapist, dude. No. Just no.

though anyway Sasaki Kojiro is superior to Diarmuid in every way

>>150476964
I did, but seems like you didn't. See >>150477067

Can anyone explain to me the meme of why gil drinks? I feel like its one of things I will never figure out if I wasnt there with /a/

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>>150476755
But it wasn't a sudden change. Shirou knew fully well he had damned himself the moment he chose to forsake his promise with Kiritsugu (and Archer reminds him of this a few times during the route).
I think anyone can empathize with Shirou's choice there. After discovering that the person most dear to him suffered and was abused every day, but still kept smiling and hanging around him for his sake, he couldn't bring himself to uphold his flawed ideal any longer. If there even a tiny chance to undo what was happening to her, he had to pursuit it. Yes, even if it meant the death of innocents.

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>>150477067
>Insecure, shy
Precisely what makes her so adorable.

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>>150477067
>personality of a rock
This is how I feel about Saber desu. She's overhyped by the fanbase that when I played her route I was left so underwhelmed.

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>>150477074
If we go by being a rapist then she shouldn't be with Shirou.

Or Shiki.

>>150477212
What's up with Shirou and Shiki being literal animals in h-scenes. Shiki I can understand with the whole impulse thing going on, but the sword autist has no such excuses

>>150477212
>Counting the shitty sex scene with Rin as anything more than a sign that the writer doesn't know how sex works or how to pleasure a woman
next?

>>150476648
HF is shounen shlock too where shirou gets a naruto powerup arm and lots of people are quickly killed off to sell how dangerous the new badguy is.

Kohaku did the same grey themes without powering up or dickworms

>>150477284
Masculinity. Shirou can't be submissive in his sex scenes (even though personality wise he really should be) because then the readers will feel emasculated.

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>>150477284
Takeuchi is into that stuff

>>150477123
Your post entails what is exactly the problem with HF.

> I love this girl hence I will change my whole value system because my dick wants her

This is plain wrong. Only a psychopath thinks this way.

Even if Sakura suffered herself, it doesn't justify overlooking the deaths of innocent people. You gotta be some emotionally dead psycho to stop caring just because some girl you like. Flawed ideals or not, you shouldn't change your morals based on who you're currently in love with.

>>150477212
From what I remember shiki is actually pretty respectful when he isn't literally raping someone

>>150477212
this a vn or something

>>150477361
>it doesn't justify overlooking the deaths of innocent people
He didn't, either. He was always trying to figure out how to stop the shadow, and went to destroy the great grail when he learned that was its source.

>>150477311
Nah, he can write love-making, but in that case in particular it HAD to be rape. So yeah.

>>150477067
>personality of a rock
This is how I feel about Rin desu. She's overhyped by the fanbase that when I played her route I was left so underwhelmed.

>>150477361
He was put in a very tough spot, and I don't blame him for decisions, I mean he found out the woman he loved was abused and tormented in every possible way since childhood. All he wants is for her to smile and be happy.

>It's Sakura's responsibility argue again
I'd post that Matrix picture, but we done it far more than 6 times. It never even changes anymore, just the same arguments over and over.

>>150477468
>in that case in particular it HAD to be rape
God no. Rin works far better as a femdom, similar to the threesome in Fate. Her forced dere in UBW was disgusting.

>>150477449
60 people died because he kept being in denial about it.

And in the end absolutely nothing was done about it, the families of those people will never know what happened to them, Sakura goes unpunished, and we're supposed to believe everything is ok just because Shirou says so.

>>150477507
>Sakura goes unpunished
That's what Nasu wanted. He literally stated himself that he believes Sakura should be able to redeem herself.

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>>150476648
Fate and UBW are generic shounen shlock,

>>150477507
Sakura did nothing that warranted a punishment, though. The grail was the killer, and the grail got destroyed. Justice served.

>>150477495
Again, that mindset is wrong. If it was presented as the horrible thing it is, i'd be ok. But the final scene going like "everything is ok because my girlfriend is alive. fuck all those who died for this to happen" is just cringe worthy.

>>150477504
The only person who can dom Rin is Rider.

>>150477437
whynasu.tumblr.com/

>>150477532
How does redeeming yourself = no punishment? A murder can redeem himself but he's still going to prison.

>>150477605
>>150477504
You guys should write fanfic porn.

>>150477503
Hey, the anti-Sakurafags actually booted up the VN for once and found a new angle to approach the argument from, to be fair. Not that it helped them, since the Sakurafags already had the counter for it up their sleeve.

>>150477640
t. wormfag

>>150472586
You're forgetting literally the most important character. He was probably the favourite to win the war had he not summoned a shitty servant. His second servant, Gilgamesh, also took a liking to Tohsaka.

>>150477640
>new angle
If only. I saw that same quote like 3 times already.

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>>150477507
I think it's too easy being rational about it, that's what Kiritsugu did as well - he always killed those on the lightest side of the scale. He had the guts to admit he would do so to his own family, but in reality most of us aren't like him.

If saving someone we hold dear meant the death of others we have no connection to, as evil as it sounds, most of us would choose that. Shirou's ideal was always challenged in every route. It just so happens that in HF, what happened made him cast it aside and I don't blame him for doing that. Afterall, we're not talking about putting down a rabid dog.

>>150477635
I genuinely might. I've been told I'm decent at it, the only problem is motivation.

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>>150477575
Whatever you say, anon.

>>150477532
> is responsible for the deaths of 60 people
> shouldn't be punished
> redemption = live a happy life with her boyfriend as if nothing happened, and maybe be a magical landlord
Okay.

>>150477688
...Well, now I need to wash my hands. Thanks, gross anon.

>>150477771
>excuses

>>150477777
It would be fucking fate.

>>150477777
>Dark Sakura
And your point is?

>>150477767
>If saving someone we hold dear meant the death of others we have no connection to, as evil as it sounds, most of us would choose that.
I know I would.

>>150477802
Hey, I'll put it on my project list, I just need to finish a thing for a friend, and then my shameful self-indulgent homestuck "Jane Crocker gets turned into a walking bomb complete with a fuse sticking out of her ass and has sex with Roxy until she blows up" smut first.

>>150477777
what's with the font?

>>150477767
Everything you say would be fine and dandy if it was presented as the horrible thing it is.

Supporting someone (in this case, protecting) that does bad things, even if it's someone you love, automatically makes you a bad person. 60 people died and will never get justice because Shirou allowed that injustice to happen. That makes him as horrible, if not even worse, than Sakura.

Instead we get the cringe worthy ending when we're supposed to be happy for them because they're happy, and because they're happy everything is ok. Basically it reduces itself to "because Shirou and his girlfriend are okay, this means EVERYONE ELSE should be okay". It's awfully self-centered and egoistical, and not in a good way. Shirou doesn't give a shit about anyone but Sakura and himself, and is presented as a good thing.

Why does Archer approve of Shirou's choices in HF?

How would Kiritsugu Emiya feel about Shirou's choices in HF?

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>>150477825
Oh look, it's /pol/. What a surprise.

>>150477914
It would be precisely what Kiritsugu wanted, as he spent the end of his life regretting his choices and deliberately trying to keep Shirou from learning proper magic and repeating his mistakes.

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>>150477994
The best drama CD (Fate/chapter 0.5) and it isn't translated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTHprcyntXM

Also, Nasu is a good sprite artist. No wonder why he made Melty Blood.

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>>150477896
I don't think it's just as you say to be honest. If her normal ending is any clue - Sakura will always regret and try to atone for her actions. The only reason she keeps going and can afford happiness is because Shirou fought tooth and nail for that to happen. And doing otherwise would be a disservice to him and the people that died for her sake.

The true ending ends on a light note because most of the route was full of sadness and death, and this was a chance for her to begin again.

>>150468742
is this out of context or something? like whats happening here?

>>150478313
>If her normal ending is any clue - Sakura will always regret and try to atone for her actions.
Her normal ending is her just waiting for Shirou to come. She does nothing out of the ordinary to atone.

>And doing otherwise would be a disservice to him and the people that died for her sake.
>and this was a chance for her to begin again.
Yes, but all of this implies that Sakura > bunch of innocent people. Which is selfish and self-centered.

> Yeah listen all those people that died? All those who literally had nothing to do with this? Fuck them. All that matters is Sakura's happiness. Nothing else. Fuck all the people that got the short end of the stick from this situation.

None of that should be presented as a positive thing. As far as I'm concerned she got away with it, completely.

>>150478470
Play Fate Hollow Ataraxia

EY YO SAKURA DINDU NUFFIN NIGGA GRAIL BE RAYCIS NIGGA