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Cowardly kinslayers and failures not welcome here

How does she take off her suit?

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>>150443552
Here, a demonstration by dear Stella, all for you. Though Beatrix's is a bit different, since she's wearing an earlier era suit.

Now say thank you.

>>150443680
Pump and dump Stella

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>>150443680
I didn't expect an actual answer.

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>>150443680

>>150443807
That's a weirdly shaped axe.

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>>150443747
Sometimes I surprise myself.

Oh and meant to say Stella, say thanks to Stella, for demonstrating.

TE had a few of the dressup scenes. SM had very few, I think only Kiirke had one.

Himecuts go away.

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>>150443864
There are other things she holds apart from axes.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xheqogpJU

More like Fatrix

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>>150444040
Hibiki's heart? That she ripped out of his chest?

She's not a good girl.

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>>150443729
What should be done against Stella and Pham haters? How does one even believe such evil exists in the world?

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Today's stream is up!

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv283685968

Like always, remember to post screenshots for our less fortunate fellows.

And vote for Mana-sama.

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>>150445122
She's much nicer than that anon

>>150446030
I keep forgetting about DST.

What did I miss? At least it doesn't seem like a contentless drunkstream.

>>150446325
Strike Frontier TDA 4koma, jokes and gatcha.

Rape and mindbreak Irisdina

Moemi looks nice today, but Mysterious Lady will always be my favorite.

>New Sumika Daki

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If you bastards let her down, I'll never forgive you!

ManaMana-sama ganbatte!

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Damn, Ebisu lost hard.

Mana and Cui took first and second, followed by our robbit friend.

Who next?

>>150447057

who dat cake/milf?

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Phoebe, gambatte!

>>150447036
Tekkamen!

>>150447066
Yui's mum

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaTWpLBRjw

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>>150447066
Senna, Yui's mother.

>ML pulling a Boruto and Senna discovers father blocked a woman in the picture never

>>150447057
I want Yui's mom to win.

>>150447146
Same here

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Senna needs to win next week.

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PHOEBE DEAD LAST

SAVE ME

>>150447146
>>150447166
>Senna wins
>it's her version of this

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>katia first

But well at least Yui's mom got 3rd place

>>150447216
>>150447220
Fuck Katia. Senna needs to win.

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Manliest man?

I don't know what the poll question is, but Walken won hard.

>>150447216
>>150447248
Indeed

We gonna vote next week

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>>150447248
>>150447294
Says you. I'm making sure she makes it.

I hope Katia wins nothing, but I'm not going to risk throwing away a tight race on the hope that people will vote for Chimiku

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>>150443976
Kirke a best.

>>150448325
Oh hey it's the high quality, thanks!

>>150447290
Is Walken confirmed for manliest man in all of ML?

>>150448325
Himesluts can't be best.

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

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>say something, anon

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>commits a war crime on his own sister

>>150447204
Katia confirmed for most popular SM.

>>150449771
>Is the only Main character in a poll full of secondaries
>doesn't win by a huge margin.
Not at all.

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>>150443220
>Will anyone ever scan them?
No.

>>150443220
>beato - remnants of a dream
What did they mean by this?

>>150449978
It means it will have the "rape" tag or be a fantasy she has while dying.

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>>150449978
Someone was inspired.

>>150448978
Himecut is best girl

>>150448978
Ellen is really pretty.

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>>150453315
A weapon to surpass the BETA

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>>150451577
Awww shucks

Not much on today's stream, correct?

>>150455019
Just birthday polls.

>>150455019
And the anouncement of a new Sumika Daki.

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What can they do to make this cockroach less boring and more of an interesting character?

>>150457608
More suffering, less unaturally effective charisma.

>>150457608
>implying she already isn't

>>150457687
It's like Beatrix said, how can a naive little girl who has never tasted true despair or suffering speak of hope.

>>150457608
Make her less of a mary sue

>>150457608
remove her.

>>150457687
>>150457769
What kind of suffering works best for Katia though? Something like the Lise treatment?

>>150458439
>Something like the Lise treatment?
That's excessive, but she needs something that'll scar her physically or emotionally.

>>150458491
Wouldn't that defeat the whole point of her character.

>>150460041
>Wouldn't that defeat the whole point of her character.
Its already too jarring. Everything, almost always, works out for her and thus she never really changes and her growth can be summized as "she learns that the world isn't that nice". Toning it down or adding more nuance and shade would certainly improve her.

And the fact that she never is really affected by what she sees should be changed. Seeing people get CHOMPED right in front of them and loosing their whole units has always affected ML characters, but somehow in Katja's case it doesn't really show.

>>150460536
Everything works out for her because she has Theo and Irisdina there to protect her, and before that, Alfred, Jurgen, and her foster parents in the West.

Why do you guys post the same thing again and again?

>>150444634
What?

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>>150443220
Is this Kenichi's artist? the positioning of breasts, thick bodysuit and the shape of the face suggest it could be

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>>150461622
No, this is Beatrix.

>>150443220
Why do I want to marry this woman so bad?

>>150462141
Because you have good taste.

>>150443220

Does anyone have purchase links for that and the Marui Sheep and Wolf doujins?

>>150463795
They won't be out until C91.

>>150443220
Will she ara ara when she sees your penis, or will she be shocked and shy?

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>>150464714

>>150443220
>tfw it'll never be scanned

>>150464817
What would Beatrix taste and smell like after coming back from anti-rebel operations?

>>150464714
she would be terrified and scared wondering if it will rip her apart.

>>150466972
like sunshine and rainbows.

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Does Sharon ever tell anyone that her and Yuuya were a thing? Does he ever tell anyone?

>>150454000
In the battle of the strawberry blondes, who reigns supreme?

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>>150467533
Like this?

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Click for Chobi ass:

http://i.imgur.com/LcLE0a3.jpg

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>>150468802
She really does have a fat ass. It wasn't just lies by the camera angle!

>>150468695
Penetration was so satisfying in the anime. Why was the VN so different?

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>>150460536
A core part of Katia's character that's hammered in your face again and again, both in the anime and in the VN(especially the first one) is that she's protected. Unlike, say, Lise(who, coincidentally enough, is the only one who ever gets unhinged enough to go after her with the intent to kill and deeply regrets it not long afterwards) or even BiS Iris and Beatrix, she gets the protection she needs to survive and grow in the world relatively unmolested, and thus her ideals remain pure, for better or worse.

Really, the only problem with Katia is that she drops off in her own route when the prologue was incredibly Katia-centric. All they'd need to do is structure the plot so that she gets to do more things, at least with Theo, instead of transforming into a plot device and basically forgotten.

>>150469331
It's her purity that makes her perfect.

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>>150470305
Exactly. Not that some of the psychos here get that.

>>150470331
Well, most of them tend to love the psycho, so of course they'd take on some of her traits.

>>150470305
>>150470331
She is a naive girl with zero knowledge of where she got into

>>150470305
she isn't pure just incredibly stupid and naive.

>>150471002
And yet she managed to bring down the wall, bring East Germany and West Germany together, and foil all of Beatrix's schemes.

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>>150471171
Go bait elsewhere

>>150468802
Her pink nips look out of place.

>>150471329
>pink nipples
It' keeps happening
Asians cannot into black people

>>150471171
>and foil all of Beatrix's schemes
Yup, she sure did foil the defense of Western Europe. Great work, Katia!

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>>150470305
Her purity is also a lie. It's nothing. It's built on nothing. She's merely been carried atop the shoulders of giants.

Also, she's not that pure either.

>>150471171
>she brought it down
>she foiled Beatrix's schemes

No, she simply had pure luck on her side. And she ended up fucking up so bad East and West Germany are STILL apart, with most of her countrymen dead.

>>150471434
She's not even black, she's Nepalese, but they should still probably be brown.

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>>150471668
>对此，贝娅特丽克丝安慰他：“你的选择未必是最好的，但你的选择是最正确的。历史总是要有人付出牺牲才会前进吧？”，同时告诉他要向前看。看到尤尔根起码能听进去说话，贝娅特丽克丝多少有些放心，然后戏谑地说道：“感谢我吧！你对我必不可少，而我对你不可或缺。”

Beatrix was a better person then Katia, or really most of the people in SM.

>>150470710
Pretty sickening.

>>150470727
No, I'm pretty sure she had a good idea of it.

>>150471668
Stop doing that. You and I both know she wasn't going to do that.

>>150468561
>battle of blondes
It's like Special Olympics.

>>150472841
Not really
she had no knowledge of the political situation in the DDR. except for Stasi=bad and that was oversimplified

>>150473007
>oversimplified
It was pretty accurate, all things considered.

>>150473037
And what was the alternative, the moderates?

wow, what a change

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Why are Muv-Luvs with lipstick so best?

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>>150473314

>>150473193
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>>150473369
Who is this semen demon and where does she come from?

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>>150473408

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>>150473193
They just are.

Now if only Yuuko wore lipstick too

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>>150473408
She's from Duty Lost Arcadia. Otherwise known by the monkier Wessie Beatrix.

>>150472841
>Stop doing that. You and I both know she wasn't going to do that.

Ah, but if Lise is as evil and cunning as you say, then as her Stasi training and natural predatory instincts are as strong as Katiafags say they are, then why would Lise have found, isolated, and offered Katia such a proposition in the first place? She didn't make it up out of thin air. Lise observed, felt, and ultimately waited until the very right moment to make her offer.

She wouldn't have made that offer if there was nothing behind her reasoning. So what say you now? Either Lise is so cunning and predatory she found and surfaced Katia's dark desires, or Katia wasn't thinking that and thus Lise isn't that bad either.

>>150474157
Beatrix is cuter, but Bridgette is pretty sexy too especially with thinner lips.

>>150443220
>snow falling
>"Remnants of a Dream"
>Beatrix centric

It's going to be one of those soul crushingly depressing doujins, isn't it?

Irisdina is dumb scum.

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What's better then one patch

two patches

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>>150473193
Don't know why they is, but they is.

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>>150477037
>>150477499

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>>150477037

Nude patches

>>150477895
Patches of Axmann's skin as a trophy

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>>150477986

It's best to let some things be lost to history.

>>150443220
It's probably not that good anyways.

Are these threads going to last until Christmas at least?

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Everyone should celebrate, Japan got their first F-35!

Now the only question is if ML Japan gets these.

>>150478985
>It's probably not that good anyways
Beg to differ:

https://exhentai.org/g/630834/aadd147e1b/
https://exhentai.org/g/849787/82ebd6bede/

Hope it'll be one of his vanilla doujins. Bea deserves a feelsy doujin.

>>150479548
He publishes under Misnon too. Here's a better example of his vanilla shit, complete with hand holding (and it's an elf doujin at that):

https://exhentai.org/g/705513/d7bebce4c4/

He does rape and vanilla equally.

Girls like Suzy and Simone are for minbreaking into being timid, submissive housewives.

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Best girls posting...

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>>150480945
.. and finished.

.. and by finished I mean TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY, FINISHED!!!

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>>150480974
Sumikaspammer, will you ever learn?

These are the Best girls.

>>150481065
Mean bullies, both of them!
Irisdina deserved it though, unlike Marimo

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>>150481065
No, they are not.

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>>150481176
That's one funny joke.

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>>150480945
>>150480974
>>150481065
Get it right!

>>150481309
How much would it cost to make Yuuko or Yuuhi tease you?

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>>150481333
>>150481309

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>>150481446

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>>150481494
That is rude!

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>>150481065
>>150480945

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>>150482103
Your ass is rude

>>150481160
>Irisdina deserved it though

Why? She's cute.

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>>150482148
That's a very average ass.

>>150482456
These girls are useless

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>>150482148
Sumika is cute. A CUTE!

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>>150482103
Not as rude as Sumika.

>>150482130
This is new, but an Axe murderer and one inferior Isumi sister can't possibly be best girls.

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>>150482537
They're good breeding stock.

>>150482597
Axe murderer is best I tell you.

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>>150482642
>>150482537
Cryska and Inia are made for loving, cuddling and marriage.

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>>150482642
>that Kurogane

>>150477645
Would Beatrix be a good Big Boss?

>>150482630
Kasumi sucks!

>>150482858
Not with her social skills. And her dainty figure.

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>>150482921
>dainty figure
Right

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>>150483001
>Slim shoulders, thin arms, wide hips, hourglass figure, slim torso, thigh gap.

No, she has a dainty figure.

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>>150483073
Not convinced. I'm going to need more visual evidence to support this claim.

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>>150483123
More Bea-hime you say?

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>>150483188
Purely for research and for arguments sake. No ulterior thoughts.

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>>150483224

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>>150483334

>>150483424
Drain the pool quickly!

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>>150482456
We can go greater!

>>150482537
Wait what? They're very useful. What makes you say that?

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>>150483512
What was it you were trying to accomplish?

>>150483593
Them landing on their stupid faces and becoming a laughingstock for everyone who saw that. Assuming the height is not enough to kill them of course.

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>>150483646
I appreciate the honesty

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>>150478046
Time heals all wounds. And happiness is the greatest revenge

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Senna for January's birthday pic!

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>>150480945
>>150480974
>>150481065
Right here

>still no Stella H-CG on Strike Frontier

what the fuck are those slanty-eyed gooks doing?

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>>150486013
But Gretel is a lad, Anon.

>>150486249
Suzy is only good for rape.

>>150486078
What? Her SR was released a month ago.

>>150486467
Sadpanda doesn't have the new ones, then.

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How don't her ears get cold?

>>150486496
The sadpanda archive hasn't been updated lately.

>>150486527
I hate to beg for source, but where can I find the updated CGs? Point me in the right direction and I'll get them myself.

>>150486383
Leadbellyfag claims she'd make a fine maid as well.

>>150486514
Her unjustified resentment keeps her warm.

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>>150485770
Her sister is better!

>>150486078
More like Sharon you mean. Stella got a scene some bits ago.

Apparently her scene is real and not just a delusion.

>>150486636
>Her sister is better!
Isn't Kyoko her niece and not her sister?

>>150486636
What about Cui's scene?

>15044837
Wait is that image true or fan art?

Did My boy Yuuya give the D to Inia?

Also isn't his D a bit too big? It's going to break her for duck's sake.

>>150487230
Phoneposters need to die

>>150487288
Who?
>>150487248
Good, start with killing yourself

>>150487523
>butthurt phoneposter detected
I'm not on a phone you faggot unlike that nigger or should I say (You)

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>>150487523
>he doesn't know Monica.

>>150487288
I need these, fuck. Finding them on some twitter isn't as good as a full set on sadpanda.

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>>150486684
Cousin, maybe. I thought sister but it's unclear I guess. The thing is, the higher ranked family marries into lower to keep loyalty of vassals, and other dynastic/cultural reasons. The Takamura are lower ranked than Senna and Kyoko's, and either they're one of the Five houses or direct branch families of those.

Who knows though.

>>150486797
She did get a scene.

I think it was real too.

It turns out Yuuya really likes being ridden cowgirl style.

>>150487288
>Monica's chances at winning the otoutobowl improve enormously

Is Lise for loving or bullying?

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>>150487966
Lovingly bullying.

>>150487966
headpats

>>150487966
For ignoring.

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>>150488569
While tying newly gifted ribbons into her hair

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>>150487288
Wait, so what's going on here? The earlier link only had a look at her booty.

Is she fingering herself, or is someone going to town on her?

If so, who is it?

>>150487523
You mean Monica? An Italian from the Eurofront, or rather Chicken Divers, one of the side stories. VG's precious.

If you're referring to the brown notloli, you won't even know what I'm talking about, so go fucking watch Total Eclipse already.

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>>150489263
Monica a cute

>>150490143
That she is.

But Tarisa is cuter!

>>150487966
>whynotboth.png

>>150487288
That better be VG fucking her. Strike Frontier doesn't NTR.

>>150490946
>That better be VG fucking her.
The filename should be enough to tell you that it isn't VG. Chobi masturbates in the locker room. Word on /m/ is to Yuuya.

>>150490946
It literally fucking says "Yuuya" in katakana on that image.

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>>150493366
>double NTR

>>150493449
no NTR here only healing old wounds. Jürgen and Sumika are dead in Beta verse.

>>150493520
Jurgen or nothing

>>150493520
>craddle robbing, yellow fevered, depresion fetishist Bea
>Takeru dropping Meiya for some German woman that has been vilified as worse than Hitler for the almost two decades by the time he starts piloting, who would be 23 years his elder had she lived.
Nah, no healing, only bait.

>>150493665
Meiya isn't Takerus muv-luv its Sumika.

>>150493705
And who got second place, smartass?

>>150493765
there is no second places in true love.

>>150493778
There is no moving on either.

>>150493853
Everyone needs to move on at some point. It's retarded if you believe they should become monks and nuns.

>>150493939
No

>>150493939
Let her die like she wanted then.

>>150487606
>>150489263
The otouto

>>150487552
>ironic triggering

So Yuuya will settle with Inya after losing the Cryskabowl?

>>150494184
Didn't they die to the laser fort?

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>>150494184
>after losing the Cryskabowl?
You call this losing?

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GHOST BLOWJOBS

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How would he fare against the BETA?

>>150494806
Pretty well since he is a big guy.

>>150494806
Lasers are going to cook him pretty fast, but I'm sure there is a surprisingly convinient countermeasure build in there somewhere.

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>>150494936

>>150494332
Anon, you know what happens later.

I just want him to be happy
>>150494304
No

Ilfie is a worthless germonkey slut.

>>150496061
Cryska living on as a ghost is far better than what all others get. And he gets Inia, and all the Vat imoutos she can mentally overwrite, as a consolation prize anyway.

>>150486561
>Her unjustified resentment keeps her warm.
Unjustified resentment?

No, I think you're the one with unjustified resentment towards the cute captain.

>>150496636
>Unjustified resentment?
I seem to have not gone far enough in my sedcription, but you seem to know better. Please do tell me, how do you call hating, antagonizing and throwing someone into the Abyss, whom she was supposed to protect?

>>150483334
Beatrix is quite a bit taller then Iris, isn't she?

>>150483593
>>150483736
Reminder that anime Beatrix was a true believer in the stasi.

>>150497223
About 8 cms taller as adults, the gap was probably about the same back then.

>>150497263
I'm curious about this, is anime Beatrix literally a product of Theo's imagination? He treats her in the VN as if she's the same person, despite her acting with much more compassion.

It would explain how she obtained so much loyalty from her subordinates while acting like a psychopath, if she didn't actually act like that at all.

>>150497557
>I'm curious about this, is anime Beatrix literally a product of Theo's imagination?
Watanabe being to dumb to recognize the unreliable narration is one explanation, but its very unlikely. Its probably just the "we don't want to offend the victims" mixed with run of the mill stupidity.

>>150497749
>>150497557

He wanted to make Theo more heroic so he had to make Beatrix look very evil even though she isn't.

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>>150497860
There were better ways of doing that. And humanizing Axmann at her expense is unforgivable.

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>>150497981
yes but its the easiest and laziest way to do it. and that's fine since its a low budget 12 episode anime.

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So the spoilers over on baidu were revised a while back with more info.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4479316212?pn=1

>原来，布莱梅家族是声名显赫的红色家族。1948年的爷爷辈，老布莱梅是东德开国元勋之一，如今的阿贝尔·布莱梅先生是政府大员，是国家经济委员会的头儿，也是国家安全部（史塔西）的热心支持者之一。

>原来，布莱梅家族是声名显赫的红色家族。深刻认识到这一点的波尔茨大叔告诉尤尔根：“不要与布莱梅家的千金扯上关系为好，如果不想被牵扯进去，更得注意” 回到家里，尤尔根想起和波尔茨大叔的谈话，于是决定劝自己妹妹还是远离贝娅特丽克丝。

>但 爱丽丝 还是希望与贝娅特丽克丝成为朋友，与她在一起可以提升跳水的实力，进步了是自己的。

The Brehmes have been the eminent family in the DDR since 1948.

Jurgen's caretaker told him to not pursue Beatrix because the Brehmes were all evil stasi to the core. Jurgen initially told Iris to stay away from Beatrix, but Beatrix still wanted to be friends because Beatrix was the only one who could swim as an equal to her.

>为了让妹妹头脑清醒，尤尔根说到家里人都不愿提到的禁忌：“你是不是忘了， 国家安全部 史塔西那群人是怎么对待 父亲 的？”

He then reminded her of what the stasi did to their family, and warned that Beatrix would do the same.

波尔茨大叔安慰尤尔根，告诉他“好歹是你妈妈，就算跟了别人的姓氏， 血缘关系 什么时候都是不变的。她给你钱，也是用自己的方式赎罪”。

His caretaker also advised that he and Iris should makeup with their mother, because they're still kin and if she didn't love them, she wouldn't be paying money for them, which Jurgen said BS on, but Iris took seriously.

>然而，爱丽丝并没有被真正说服。晚餐不欢而散之后，尤尔根想到，为什么自己的妹妹那么执着于那个同学呢？

However, Iris isn't really convinced. Jurgen wonders why Iris wants such a dangerous girl as a friend. Jurgen isn't a fan of commanding Iris, as he thinks it's patronizing, so he decides to track down and confront Beatrix, scare her or tell her to stay the hell away from Irisdina.

The first interaction between Beatrix and Jurgen went like:

>堵不如疏，不如接触一下本人，确认贝娅特丽克丝的想法。

尤尔根在某天放学后找到了贝娅特丽克丝。对方看见尤尔根不正经的样子，觉得他很烦，以为他是在找茬调戏自己，甚至叫保镖去报警。

直到尤尔根指出“你的脚受伤了吧？我看得出，今天，你没有达到你想要的最高水平”，贝娅特丽克丝才开口，决定先听听尤尔根想说什么。

Beatrix was kind of scared of Jurgen and almost screamed out for her stasi bodyguard when he tracked her down after school. She felt cornered since she had an injured foot. But then Jurgen sees how she is quivering and starts joking around, causing her to calm down.

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>but Beatrix still wanted to be friends because Beatrix was the only one who could swim as an equal to her.

Meant to say "but *Iris* still wanted..."

>尽管贝娅特丽克丝因为练习过度导致脚伤，必须休息两星期，但这次的成功却让她没有遗憾。

She says that her injured foot is from over practice at swimming. Jurgen asks her why push herself like that, and she reveals it's to get away from her family.

>经过交谈，尤尔根知道了她的情况。

In fact, Jurgen picks up on the fact that she hates herself, her family, and the stasi, even if she doesn't outright say it (his father was a diplomat, his mother was stasi, and was raised by another diplomat so he's good at reading people)

>贝娅特丽克丝，这名黑发、妖艳、外貌比年龄成熟的少女，讨厌自己身为“红色贵族”的身份，讨厌被他人指定自己的未来，可又不能逃出这种命运，所谓生不由己。

It doesn't help that he's back under the spell of the beautiful, black haired girl.

>心，更希望能找到超越这种生存方式的命运。虽然无法摆脱身为红色贵族的身份，但本人还是希望能尽量自由一点，跳水，每次都是进入水中再出来，如同重获新生。但是，重获新生，必然要以死亡为代价，所以她每次跳水更像是奋不顾身地寻死。这给人一种窒息的美，死亡的气息，这种跳水的方式也正是表示她对现实的一种不满。

More importantly though, she explains she dives because she imagines that she's killing herself each time she goes down and being born again, free from her current reality, each time she comes up.

>她本人认准的追求目标，往往也决不放弃，在跳水中，她绝不会降低自己动作水平迁就别人，就可以证明这一点。

>所以，她不愿意妥协，不愿意迁就。尽管为了短期达成训练效果，双人跳水往往是水平高的迁就水平低的，但追求最高水平的她，实在不愿这么做。

>于是尤尔根决定像对妹妹的做法一样，鼓励她无论如何也要追求最高。

Being the big softy he is, Jurgen decides that Iris should be friends with this girl, despite the risks, not to help Iris, but to help Beatrix. Beatrix is initially resistant and fearful to the idea, but Jurgen reassures her and uses his suave to get her to think about it.

>比赛当日，果然效果一流，两人成为全场瞩目的焦点，惹得满场羡慕，夺取冠军。

Beatrix awkwardly reaches out to Iris, and the two reach an agreement. They began practicing with one another, with both helping each other improve areas that they are weak at, and their synergy nets them the championship and the envy of all their classmates.


>另一方面，这次事件拉近了 爱丽丝 与贝娅特丽克丝的距离，更使贝娅特丽克丝成为兄妹两人的朋友。

From that moment on, Irisdina and Beatrix were like sisters.

Chapter 1 End

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>>150499289

Also, after reading all of BiS, the guy had this to say on Beatrix:

>说是反派么在黑标里面确实算个反派了，然而动机其实不是很反派。
>其实这也不怪贝姐

Yes, she's considered to be the villain of Schwarzesmarken, but her motives themselves aren't villainous at all.
In fact, Bea is blameless.

Himecuts are all shit.

>>150497557
Watanabe said he didn't want to make the stasi sympathetic since they were a real world evil, so he went overboard in making Beatrix horrible.

>>150500038
and political correctness ruins something again.

The music collection:
https://mega.nz/#!rIpT0KRb!iTo1A9z1_f3vPaDyssPRkiG9dSXMsSnrSxION_Jc5QA

>>150499193
That's pretty funny. He goes to Beatrix thinking she's going to be this evil little stasi, and instead, walks out wanting to waifu her.

>>150500349
Just like people visiting these threads.

>>150500349
Jürgen, like all Beatofags, was overwhelmed by the gap moe.

>>150500166
thanks for that.

songs that play during Beato death scene

36-幕の終わりに - Irisdina route
19-固まる絆 - lise route
18-「翼よ、暁を渡る誓いの中で。」(Piano)

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>>150501313
Jürgen is the ultimate Beatrixfag.

>>150501515
but that's Yamamoto Evangeline not Beato.

>>150501620
Yeah, I know, but in lieu of Beatrix, I'm fapping to her since they have similiar designs.

>>150501515
And not even he could protect that smile. Well lets hope he succeeds in Extra atleast.

>>150501620
Evangeline was a better Beatrix then anime Beatrix.

>>150499193
>He then reminded her of what the stasi did to their family, and warned that Beatrix would do the same.
All this foreshadowing.

>>150502148
>All this foreshadowing.
They will exonerate Beatrix from all blame. Oswald will take the blame, if Iris is not wholly responsible.

>>150502316
No, it's more like Jurgen is bringing up how a stasi agent was responsible for breaking up their family and driving their father insane.

Beatrix does the same thing by driving a wedge between Iris and Jurgen, though it's not on purpose. Like the spoilers said, Iris was slightly spoiled and had a lot of control over Jurgen until Beatrix entered the picture. And it was to protect Beatrix that Jurgen began embedding himself in politics, and what brought him into conflict with Axmann, who Abel wanted to marry his daughter. It wasn't bad intentions from Beatrix that fucked the Bernhards over, it was Jurgen and her love of one another.

Like Beatrix said after motor boating him, they can't live without each other:

尤尔根觉得有道理，几天后慢慢从悲痛中振作起来，继续完善自己的理论，研究机体。

Jurgen and Theo have one similarity, and that's this line of thought:

"Even so... even so, all I could think of was that I wanted to protect you."

>>150502625
And they both failed Irisdina and Beatrix are kill.

>>150501471
Funny thing, 翼よ、暁を渡る誓いの中で, which is played for her canon death, is the theme of Martyrs.

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>>150502714
>they both failed
Nope. Depending on route anyway.

>>150502714
Well, if they'd just supported each other like Jurgen wanted (even as far back as the first chapter, Jurgen was pushing them to do this), then things would have turned out much better. They came extremely close to compromising and realizing Jurgen's ideal in Iris's route, but then Theo and another moderate rebel had to interject with a motivation speech and ruin everything.

>>150502819
I'm talking about the LNs and the original writer. And if they ever say which route is canon which i doubt they ever will it will be most likely be Katia's route.
since in Katia's route he pretty much losses everything except for Katia which sets him up for becoming the master.

>>150503009
Age's "pick your own canon" attitude with Martyrs is really annoying. Because if the information given in the Kirke LN are more or less universally valid, then Beatrix will still be demonized in the Iris-route for example and Iris being in charge in the Lise-route will not change anything, only prove Beatrix right.

>>150496248
I just need confirmation.

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>>150502768
翼よ、暁を渡る誓いの中で is the credits to the first VN, but it's Beatrix's theme more then anything else (partially because the other heroines have songs for themselves already). The first stanza alone is very Beatrix-y, and the title, about wings/taking flight (freedom, which Beatrix wanted more then anything else), and achieving a new dawn match up with Beatrix:

全てを包みこむ闇が優しいと
いつから考えるようになってしまったのか

やがては消える痛みならば
自ら傷を付けて
あの日の嘆き思い出そう　それが生きる意味と

生まれることで
ひとは悲しみの中を　歩き続ける
長く道は途切れない
だからせめて強く　誰かを守れるように
だからせめて強く　大きな翼で守りたい

希望が揺らめいた空が暁へ
見つめる私たち　離れる定めも知らずに

始まりかけた幸せにも
もっと沢山の歌詞は ※ Mojim.com
時間の刃が降りて
あの日の嘆き繰り返すよ　それが生きる意味と

願いのために
ひとは苦しみの中で　もがき続ける
熱い涙そのままに
ならばせめて強く　誰かを守れるように
ならばせめて強く　崩れぬ誓いで守りたい

冷たかった　身体も心も
凍りそうだ　肩を自分で抱いてても

生まれることで
ひとは悲しみの中を　歩き続ける
長く道は途切れない
だからせめて強く　誰かを守れるように
だからせめて強く　大きな翼で守りたい


Wrapping up everything If the darkness is gentle
When did you come to think about it

If it will eventually disappear
Scratch yourself
I remember the lamentation of that day and the meaning that it lives

By being born
People keep on walking in sorrow
The road can not be interrupted for a long time
So to be able to protect someone strongly
So I want to protect with a big strong wings at least

The sky when hope was swayed to Akatsuki
Do not know the rules to stare at us

To the happiness I began
The blade of time has come down
I will repeat the mourning of that day That's what I mean by life

For wishes
People continue to struggle in suffering
Hot tears as it is
So if we can protect someone strong
In that case I would like to protect with a vow that will not collapse strongly

The cold body and mind
Even if I hold my freezing shoulder myself

By being born
People keep on walking in sorrow
The road can not be interrupted for a long time
So to be able to protect someone strongly
So I want to protect with a big strong wings at least

Why are Nomenklatura princesses so rotten and monstrous?

>>150503410
Sounds more applicable to Theo to be honest.

>>150503009
I'm fully prepared for the Theodore/Master similarities to be one long red herring, that said it looks like they're keeping the differences between the routes ambiguous in their future, as theres not much difference between aside from which heroines survive. Only time will tell which direction Age goes in I guess.

>>150503884

>By being born
>People keep on walking in sorrow
Rebirth into suffering is something Beatrix brings up in BiS. Look at >>150499289

There's also talking about loneliness (Theo has true companions).
>The cold body and mind
>Even if I hold my freezing shoulder myself

>I remember the lamentation of that day and the meaning that it lives
Jurgen's death.

>To the happiness I began
>The blade of time has come down
>I will repeat the mourning of that day That's what I mean by life
Jurgen's death again. Theo doesn't really have a "that day" that he mulls about until the end like Beatrix does.

>Wrapping up everything If the darkness is gentle
>When did you come to think about it
Oh c'mon, this is so Beatrix like it should be obvious.

>>150504062
Similarities are too many.
>They have same eye and hair color.
>Are build roughly the same.
>His age is correct.
>Have same voice actor.
>Master speaks German.
>Proficiency with a knife.

>>150504177
Don't forget that Christopher was just introduced in Kirke's LN as a new member of the 666th.

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>>150504106
>Theo doesn't really have a "that day" that he mulls about
See pic related.

Theo was a lonely orphan till he found happiness, and after it being violently snatched away from him became "cold in body and mind" and mourns that day. The song overall is about wanting to be strong protect with "big strong wings", you can find vague connections to Beatrix with certain lines but its by far more about Theo, makes sense if it is the main theme to Martyrs/credits to the first VN to be more about the MC than anyone else.

ERECT

I want to rape Theo and Jurgen.

>>150504349
>>150504106
Both of them have enough similarities in their backstories to work for both:
>shitty childhoods
Check
>finds happiness temporally through the love of others
Check
>looses it violently
Check

But it does fit Theo more. If it were about Beatrix, it would be more focused on duty, loyalty and loss, not protecting something. Or at least that's how I feel.

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>>150504177
Do you really expect Kouki not to fuck with you like that for the sake of it? I down for it either way as long as theres a damn good explanation but I got a funny feelin it won't happen, or at least not in the way we expect.

>>150504753
That's one ugly-ass squid.

>>150504349
Yeah, and that's kind of invalidated later on when Lise reenters the picture. If Lise was dead and he had a vow with her, that be one thing, but he was willing to sell her out after only three days in stasi confinement. Sure, he's massivley guilty over it, but he doesn't have a strong vow with Lise.

And if we want to go down that route, the song would match Lise FAR, FAR better then Theo (and I'd be arguing it's her theme song if she didn't already have one).

Going on though, wings also describe freedom, and who has the theme of a caged bird running throughout her story?

Beatrix.

The song is also about vows. You could argue that it's about Theo's vows to Katia, but a much stronger vow is Beatrix's to Jurgen, and it fits much better with the theme of loss and grieving that's in the song (since Lise reenters the picture midway in the story).

It is also about dreams, and wishes. Theo doesn't really have ideals, as we know. He's a follower at this point, not a leader.

If it was about Theo, the song would be about regaining what was lost, or losing some thing and gaining others. Maybe even running away.

Also, Theo doesn't wrap himself in darkness. If anything, he sees the conflicts he fights in terms of black and white. Theo doesn't see himself as a bad guy, even at the beginning. It's everyone else who's bad. There is no darkness, not when he's following Saint Ursula and Irisdina the Angel.

Finally, song is also played during Beatrix's death scenes.

>>150504725
Protecting Jurgen's ideals. Besides, Theo doesn't have to be that strong, he ends up leaning on others a shitton, and it could be argued he's a weak man, especially with the ending implying he's still trying to run away with Alternative V, while Beatrix must be a strong person because she has nobody and everyone wants to kill her.

>>150504725
>>150504349

So if we can protect someone strong
In that case I would like to protect with a vow that will not collapse strongly

That's definitely Beatrix, especially when you take into consideration what she said about being attracted to Jurgen's strength and will.

>>150505153
>Protecting Jurgen's ideals.
It says protecting someone, it doesn't imply ideals or mankind. Beatrix does not see herself as protecting anything, she sees herself as carrying out Jürgen's will and acting on behalf of the greater good. But the Japs do have that weird usage of "protect", so it could simply be lost to me when passed through two translations.

>>150505153
>Yeah, and that's kind of invalidated later on when Lise reenters the picture
The fuck are you talking about no it doesn't. He wanted to protect Lise and laments that he failed to do so throughout the entire story and is part of his reasoning for wanting to do right by her this time in Lise route, that and the vow they shared to be together forever as well as the vow with Katia he also had to protect her.

When wings are mentioned in this context it isn't about flying away for freedom, they're used to describe wrapping the subject of protection in a strong embrace, and the line want to protect someone strongly is repeated throughout.

Again you're wrong about Theo not seeing himself as morally compromised. When Axmann gloats about the fucked up shit he made Lise do in the past Theo renders it a moot point as he himself has seen and done some shit in his past both on the frontlines and recently in the civil war, he admits that he's dirty and theres blood in his hands. Theo knows he can be a dirtbag sometimes and is willing to do what he thinks is necessary for the greater good.

You can see similarities in the song to Theo, Lise, or Beatrix, but ultimately the song being about wanting to become strong and protect others clearly applies most of all to him, try as you might it is still more in line with Theo's character than Beatrix's. And is played during one of Beatrix's death scenes, as well as other places that have nothing to do with her specifically.

>>150505153
>>150504725
>>150504106
Beatrix is a shit person, so it's definitely Theodor's song.

>>150505807
>So if we can protect someone strong
>In that case I would like to protect with a vow that will not collapse strongly

That "someone" describes Jurgen more then Lise or Katia.

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>>150505883
>Beatrix is a shit person,

>>150503410
Beatrix's theme song would be about murdering and torturing people for fun.

Theo is a tragic character, Beatrix is just a monster to be destroyed.

>>150505957
No it doesn't. Beatrix was likely responsible for getting Jurgen killed. She was a dirty stasi even back then.

>>150501471
Lise's song is quite disturbing.

>>150505807
Step back, and stop looking at it from a purely Liseroute centric perspective. He does a terrible job of protecting Lise in two out of three of the routes just because he'd rather avoid the truth or problem then confront it. Even in Lise's route, he outright rejects what he admits sounds logical for something that makes his heart feel good.

>>150505957
Beatrix's motivations in SM are carrying out her interpretation of his ideals, not protecting him because he's strong that no longer makes sense. Theo looks up to Iris because he thinks she's strong and wants to become stronger to carry out her and Katia's ideals, Lise is very strong as well.

>So to be able to protect someone strongly
>So I want to protect with a big strong wings at least
This is Theo's motivation. "Even so, all I could think of was that I wanted to protect you".

>>150503410
The song is talking about Theo's love for the true heroine of SM, Lise. Lise is the one who's Theo's life and the visual novel revolves around, so it should be no surprise. Your shitty waifu doesn't have a song because she's inconsequential to Schwarzesmarken, and is nothing more then a two bit generic, kill-em all villain.

>>150506041
Got lyrics?

>>150506187
>Lise is very strong as well.
From Theo's perspective, neither she or Katia are strong and need his protection.

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>>150506093
Lise's route is the only route that matters. Fuck Irisdina and Katia. They are not the true martyrs of SM.

>>150506093
I'm not sure what that has to do with the song, yeah he usually does a terrible job protecting her, but he wanted to nonetheless.

>>150506286
>Lise
>Doesn't give in to torture till Theo is threatened, and when he is she sells herself out instead to a living hell
>endures the suffering and survives for years
>protects Theo more often than the other way around
>not strong
You've gone too far this time.

>>150506398
I'm saying from Theo's perspective.

He never really finds out everything she did for him. Even after Beatrix tells him that Lise served the stasi to protect him, Theo thinks it's just her trying to manipulate him. Even after Axmann mentions some of the shit he made her do, Theo still doesn't know the full extant.

Yeah, she's strong, but Theo will never quite comprehend all the shit she went through for him.

>>150506505
Yeah my bad I realized you meant the other way after I posted.

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>>150491332
>>150491709
Well, it's likely a delusion, and it's not like she doesn't show a bit of interest, so it is plausible. Enough for Stella to tease her about it in any case.

>>150493366
That's just dumb.

>>150494415
Is it two timing against Inia if you have ghost Cryska as your side ho?

>>150506686
>Is it two timing against Inia if you have ghost Cryska as your side ho?
>implying that ghost Cryska isn't his main squeeze

>>150505153
>Going on though, wings also describe freedom, and who has the theme of a caged bird running throughout her story?
Is this guy retarded? The only true pairing love in SM is Theo/Lise.

>Going on though, wings also describe freedom, and who has the theme of a caged bird running throughout her story?
Way to misinterpret the lyrics. Wings to protect, not fly away.

>Beatrix.
I'm laughing at you. What a fucking autist.

>The song is also about vows.
No it isn't, it's about protecting people. Theo protects the girls, while Beatrix is just a spiteful person lashing out and harming everyone around her.

>It is also about dreams, and wishes. Theo doesn't really have ideals, as we know. He's a follower at this point, not a leader.
His wishes are to overthrow the stasi, protect his loved ones, kill Beatrix and eradicate the stasi, and establish a democratic regime so no one will ever have to go through what happened to him. He's a selfless person and a true hero, and you can't see it just because he killed your waifu in probably the most justified kill in all of SM.

>If it was about Theo, the song would be about regaining what was lost, or losing some thing and gaining others. Maybe even running away.
Theo is not a coward.

>Also, Theo doesn't wrap himself in darkness.
He wraps himself in darkness so Katia does not have too. Theo at least aknowledges some of the bad things he has done, but he ultimately rises above it and becomes one of the most morally upright individuals in Schwarzesmarken.

>terms of black and white
It is black and white.

>Finally, song is also played during Beatrix's death scenes.
Oh, great point, wow, that sure convinced me.

>Protecting Jurgen's ideals
It's just her convenient excuse to act out. She doesn't truly believe it, like Walther and Iris point out

>Theo doesn't have to be that strong, he ends up leaning on others a shitton, and it could be argued he's a weak man
He confronts his fears and kills Beatrix, proving he's a strong man.

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>>150506686
I'm sure Inia would be happy to have her big sis joining them

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>>150499193
>Jurgen's caretaker told him to not pursue Beatrix because the Brehmes were all evil stasi to the core

Does that include Beatrix's mother? I thought they said she was incredibly kind and warm and loving, but she had died very early in Bea's life. Well then again, she's not really a Brehme.

>Beatrix was kind of scared of Jurgen
>But then Jurgen sees how she is quivering and starts joking around

LITERALLY

EXPECT FEROCIOUS WOLF

GET ADORABLE BROKEN CUB INSTEAD

GAH

>>150503410
Where do you find the lyrics to the songs that have them?

>>150503410
Beatrix will never get a character song because they'll never be a game or route about her. She'll be left behind and forgotten by age. Even Katia is considered to be more important and heroine material then she is. Beatrix is not a very important character to SM beyond being an obstacle for Theo to overcome so he can be with Iris/Lise/Katia.

How does that feel?

>>150507108
You can just google it.

>>150507037
Brehmes, as in the family in general.

>>150506800
What the fuck is with all these cancerous Lisefags?

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>>150443220
>ctrl+f Saddam
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>>150507349
I don't even dislike Lise, but her fans are insufferable.

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>>150502625
>>150503410
>>150503884
>>150504725
>Jurgen and Theo have one similarity, and that's this line of thought:
>"Even so... even so, all I could think of was that I wanted to protect you."

Way way more than that. It's one reason she takes to him so quickly. Though of course, Theo doesn't want to see it.

>>150504349
>vague connections to Beatrix with certain lines but its by far more about Theo
It really doesn't. Beatrix doesn't protect anyone, she's just a leach. She ruined Jurgen and Iris's relationship, then blames Iris for it, then she moves on to leaching off of East Germany. She's not a protector, she's a destroyer (which ties into how she and the stasi are as bad as the BETA).

Theo, on the other hand, always manages to protect at least one girl in every route, and save East Germany. If anything, Theo is the closest person to the Martyr spreading his wings over all of the DDR, and especially over Iris, Lise, and Katia. In Lise's route (which I consider to be the true route), he even manages to keep all three of his most precious people alive.

>>150507540
Comes from getting attacked so much, then getting told we have to play nice with the fans of the girl who is partially responsible for Lise being as fucked up as she is.

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I'm going to marry Cryska and Inia so I can take care of both of them.

>>150507037
Injured?
Why is she not dead?

>>150508453
Where's the spitroasting and gangrape part?