Is there a single genre more dead than Mecha? There hasn't

>this negro has not watched thunderbolt

Young kids arent interested in super robots.
Its all about owning a lot of small creatures and make the fight, or cards.

>>150423411
Good animation and little else.
You could have mentioned Unicorn as well.

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>>150423313
Well there's pic related that about to come out

>Cross ange

>>150423313
Actually Kuromukuro was really good. Very unexpected, especially coming from PA Works. Really iffy with the CG until I saw the fluid choreography it allowed.

Other than that, though...really sales genre, you're right. Really easy to see why it happened. As one of the most "traditional" genres, it's most prone to refusal to change and regurgitation of old, tired tropes and half-assed MSG-esque derivative shit.

>>150423313
Slice of life. I dunno what you mean by great, but there are at least some watchable mecha series in that time frame.

>>150424123
SoL is in a decline but there have been plenty good shows these last years, certainly more than mechas, come on.

MAJESTIC PRINCE

>>150423313
Fafner Exodus and Kuromukuro were probably the best mecha to come out in the last few years which had some effort behind them.

>>150423313
Mecha genre is just fine.

>>150424332
What would you consider good? I can think of K-On! and Nichijou, not much from the 00s. My Neighbours the Yamadas is good. I think I probably have higher sol standards and you higher mecha standards.

>>150423313
Your math is off. It's been 9 years since the last great mecha.

>>150424815
Shin Mazinger was in 2009.

>>150424806
You didn't like NNB?

>>150424919
Nah I thought it sucked. I know I'm in the minority though.

>>150423313
I thought the first Build Fighters was great, but it's one of those things you can't really tell someone to just watch immediately.

>>150425295
I loved build figters and I loved eventhough I have minimal gundam experience.
I am gonna rewatch it one day after I watched all the gundam shows before it.

Space operas are dead

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>>150423313
>tfw niggas ain't paying no attention

>>150425383
Not when Yamato is a megahit.

>>150424878
What on earth could make you think that show was anything special?

>>150425401
Majestic piss is pretty much as planned as it gets though

For what it's worth though I do like the characters outside of tits-chan

>>150425617
It's called taste.

>>150423725
Too good for /m/. They don't understand.

>>150423705
I thought that was just a manga

>>150423427
I'm more into slice of life moeshit than torunament of the week battle shounen manga.

>>150425617
The Narration.

>>150423705
Do they really have to drag Getter's corpse out of the grave for this shit?

>>150425879
You aren't a young kid, or even japanese.

>>150423493
>good soundtrack
>cool setting
>GOOD MECHA DESIGN
>schweet animation

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>>150423313
>Is there a single genre more dead than Mecha?
But mecha isn't dead and remains one of the most profitable genres of anime/manga. Just because YOU personally don't like THINGS, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

Anime and manga started with mecha and they will end with mecha.

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>>150423313
>Is there a single genre more dead than Mecha?
No.

>>150426097
translate it weebs

>>150423313
>what is Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor: Exodus

>>150426124
Robots are old fashioned

>>150426196
Kids dont talk like that, dont they mean "for old farts"?

>>150426237
時代遅れ
Fuck off you dumb motherfucker

>>150426309
Rude weeb

it's more accurate to say that /m/ is dead

>>150426309
>old-fashioned
>behind the times
>out of date
Not even your dictionary agrees with you.

>>150426370
>Not even your dictionary agrees with you.
Old fashioned is the first entry. Fuck off you dumb motherfucker.

>>150426431
But it's not how kids talk. Any of those other definitions would have been just as good, as well as any other synonymous definition that's available in English.
Learn to translate, you dumb weeb.
Also learn to not spoonfeed because you want to show off.

>>150423313
Build Fighters was great you idiot

>>150426188
edgy shit Eva clone

>>150426517
>But it's not how kids talk
They don't say
behind the times
They don't say
out of date
They also don't say
時代遅れ
Because this isn't Japan

You are so mad and jealous about someone translating something for someone that you had to jump in with your absolutely pathetic shitposting about someone not translating something like you wanted it to be translated. You fucking pathetic beta cuck. Stop being so damn petty and get a goddamn life.

One thing's for sure, QP:Flapper kawaii uguu-moeblobs just look weird with hand-drawn mecha stuff.

>>150426625
>and jealous

lol

I'm going to watch V Gundam. Don't try to stop me.

>>150423313

Mecha has kind of migrated to just being the occasional Bandai Visual OVA series revival release and Super Robot Wars. Nobody else can do the genre right worth shit anymore or is even trying. Even Aniplex with all their hype mongering and marketing couldn't get it going with Aldnoah and literally every big name otaku bait in the industry thrown in there. And yeah precisely because the Aniplex and Lantis' that are making these garbage mecha series don't want to take the genre even remotely seriously anymore and just make seemingly bad shows on purpose we are where we are. It's like they're literally trying to sabotage the genre and turn as many people off of it with how it's being approached.

>>150426625
>You are so mad
Holy fuck but clearly not as mad as you.
>jealous
You got me. I really am upset that you have the rare ability to use rikaichan.

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>>150426768
>I really am upset that you have the rare ability to use rikaichan

If he can use rikaichan on images, then I want that ability too

>>150424519

I forgot about those but yeah. You really just need to stay away from the Aniplex Hypebeast shit like Aldnoah, Valvrave, GC, Kabaneri (it's sort of mecha in a lot of regards) and you're already on a better track towards finding some half decent stuff. The Lantis yuri shit like Comet Lucifer and Regalia can also eat a dick too.

I can't think of a single hot blooded Super Robot show since Shin Mazinger is part of the problem too. Things like Gundam, Sidonia, Fafner and the like are kind of propping the real robot side of the genre up, but all the high profile ones of late have been the total cluster fucks with obligatory Sawano insert music that all just kind of blend together into a sea of shit and nonsensical plotting/tone.

What does /m/ even talk about?
They just circlejerk the same 5 shows over and over?

>>150426826
Comet Lucifer had nothing yuri-ish in it, Aniplex-fag.

>>150426947
gundam

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Leave the mecha genre to me.

>>150423705
Is Drill Jill going legit? If so, this would be pretty cool for him considering he has been drawing getter doujins for quite some time now.

>>150426947
From what I see, they complain about which Gundam series sucks more. And they still argue if tokusatsu is shit or not.

>>150426947
>They just circlejerk the same 5 shows over and over?
That's literally /a/ every season with whatever flavor of MAL is airing.

>>150426947
You can't even discuss anything on /m/ without a thread getting inundated with autistic shitposting and boogeymanning.

>>150426947
/m/ is honestly a den of shitposters now, they regurgitate forced memes like spicposting and are currently under gundamragers reign of terro

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infinite stratos was the best mecha show in the last decade

prove me wrong

Giant robots make no sense and Japan finally realized it.
Even as a kid I knew they were fucking dumb

>>150427372
>fantasy makes no sense
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE CALL /tg/

>>150423313
>FMP season 4
>Code Geass season 3
>More Thunderbolt
>more the origin
> build fighters season 1 ova
>toeizinger's return

2017 will be the year of robots

>>150427428
Nice strawman.
You know exactly what I meant. Magic is fine if it happens to exists, there is no reason to build a giant humanoid robot, its fucking retarded in all fronts

>>150427212
/a/ at least does change what it talks about endlessly each season.
/m/ is forever stuck hating all the Gundams

>>150427469
>the only things in fiction that doesn't make sense is magic or giant robots
You are a retard!

>>150427536
Oh you cant even read, never mind.

>>150427559
>my strawman argument against something I hate got called out for being full of holes so I'll just claim they can't read and run away
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>150427372
Most anime make no sense, that's not a reason to hate something.

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Want to know to why its dead? It's all the same SHIT.

Every Mech starts out like some shit you've never seen before and then as more episodes go on it's the same cookie cutter shit where the MC powers up and destroys everyone.

>>150427469
Except most mecha setting actually explain why they have robots but then again you are a realismfag with no sense of imagination or fun, seriously what kind of loser watches anime for realism? Why not watch a a documentary tardy or go watch paint dry?

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>>150427328

>All mecha are terrible especially whatever the newest Gundam one is

There you go, that's all you need to understand /m/s entire thought process on the genre. It's like the /v/ of mecha where the goal is to convey just how much you hate everything to do with popular video games and their culture. By comparison /a/ still has a way to go before it hits that level of full blown contrarianism and no fun allowed but it's getting close.

Also >>150427212 usually it's just been the same franchises for years more than anything, almost all of them Aniplex and Lantis/Bandai hype mongering stuff. Fate, Monogatari and GuP feel like the mainstays right now and then also at the moment Flip Flappers and Code Geass (there must be about 10 of them right now) are filing in the other slots for things like Madoka Magica because of seasonal circlejerk and historic reasons respectively. Despite having something like 100 slots for threads per board this usually doesn't leave much to work with for other stuff considering at least one or two is always taken up by a buyfag thread (also always centered around upcoming Aniplex/Bandai/Lantis stuff from the Daisuki Store) and "seiyuu thread" which again is about circlejerking the most popular Aniplex/Lantis favored seiyuu

>>150427674
>Want to know to why its dead?
It isn't dead.
>It's all the same SHIT.
This is blatantly false.
>!!vKeby4ZIHSI
Oh right.

Well, there was Aldnoah Zero
pffaaahahahahahahahaha

>>150427273

Who is the great Satan boogeyman there. For /a/ I know it's reddit and tumblr, for /v/ it seems to be literally every video game developer/publisher and news aggregate that apparently are all out to get them and ruin their lives and their shitty board cultures that seem to be based around being paranoid and mad all the time.

>>150427727
A/Z would actually be acceptable if they left it at S1 even though it was obvious he wasn't dead.

>every season almost 25% of anime is mecha related
>volumes of mecha manga printed each month
>random sperg on 4chin: MECHA IS DEEEEAAD

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>>150427328

I'd like to think Gundam fans actually aren't as bad as /m/s militant shitposting makes them look. A lot of us are just quite hobbyists that stay out of that shit, watch the shows and build the occasional model we like. I know I do, I mean I've been following mecha for literally 2 decades now but I won't go anywhere near /m/ which seems specifically designed to ruin the genre and it's fanbases reputation, kind of like /a/ and MAL for late night anime fans.

Why is genre which is famous for producing the biggest train wrecks dying hmmmm

>>150427854
No we're all pretty much assholes. I've been on this site since around '07 and the only shitposting I've ever done has been there due to frustration with someone insisting SEED was any good.

Shin Great Mazinger is going to happen right?

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>>150423313
>mfw Mazinger was my first mecha animu

>>150423939
>Actually Kuromukuro was really good
It wasn't. The show was a whole lotta nothing.

>>150427913
You mean the genre famous for making the majority of the most influential anime and manga ever

Kuromukuro was good.

>>150427434
You listed not one good thing in that post

>>150427016
Nobody who has seen Comet Lucifer could make that mistake when half the dialogue is just characters saying each other's names ad nauseum
>S-Sogo!
>Felia!
>Sogo!

>>150425636
>Majestic piss is pretty much as planned as it gets though
And? Biggest problem with most anime is that they go off the rails and become absolute shit. MJP knew what it was and excelled at is where so many mecha shows failed.

>>150428134

Yeah and that was quite a while ago, might as well refer to Ford as the kings of automobiles in today's world.

>>150423705
He made his own gender bent doujins already.

>>150423939
>>150424519
Kuromukuro is unremarkable as shit. While it doesn't go off the rails it suffers the same problem as Captain Earth in which it meanders so damn much with irrelevant shit to the point they have to rush the finale. There's also nothing about it that sticks out, it feels like P.A. Works just wanted to test their CG technology then make a good mecha anime.

>>150428182
It's like pokey men.

Mecha genre, ia curse the more grounded sane shows like buddy complex bomb, while the try hard shows such as aldnoah zero just turn into trainwrecks

>>150423313
>here hasn't been a great series in 7 years
Shin Mazinger
Majestic Prince
Gundam Build Fighters
Fafner Exodus

Kuromukuro was recent and great.

>>150428496
>>150428139
>>150424519
>>150423939
Stop samefagging

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Mecha is stagnating, and /m/ is a shithole. They've somehow convinced themselves that Zeta was good. You can't even argue with someone that far gone.

>>150428496
It's the definition of mediocre. The only above average part is the fight choreography. Yukina was consistently terrible from start to finish, Samurai guy only stopped being retarded around the end, and the annoying side characters and their cosplay shenanigans took up half of every episode. I watched up until two episodes before the end and had to drop it out of sheer apathy.

>>150428633
>fight choreography
Isn't that the main reason why one watches mecha anyway?

>>150426818
http://kanjitomo.net/
Learn to Google

>>150423493
>anime
>good animation

What the fuck else could you ask for. When it comes to anime the animation is 90% of what really matters, everything else can suck a dick. Good story with shit animation? What's the fucking point for an anime then, read a manga.

>>150428633
>>150428299
Just because you didn't like it doesn't stop it from being good.

>>150428684
Its not good though

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>>150423313
>Is there a single genre more dead than Mecha?
Be thankful.

>>150428223
>60s Tetsujin
>70s Mazinger
>80s Gundam
>90s Evangelion
>00s SEED
HMM

>>150428633

You sound like you're from there with the whole because someone doesn't hold my exact 100% opinion on something that's why there's problems schtick.

This entire thread is by a chronic /m/ shitposter right down to the OP image. Hell, he even managed to shit on Zeta like he always does. What's next? Lazy Matsumoto?

>>150428678
What I want of an anime is a good story in a genre that appeals to me, has a good soundtrack, enthusiastic voice actors doing their lines passionately enough, good animation, nice setting, some visual gags, and nice cliffhangers to rope me in.

>>150428851
Well Zeta well pretty much everything after ep 24 was shit in zeta

>>150427434
>toeizinger's return
explain

>>150424519
If it doesn't have the Gundam label on it, people will just write it off
irrespective of quality, I mean. Personally I didn't like Fafner at all and Kuromukuro was just solid. I guarantee you that /m/ would fellate all over both of them if they had the Gundam branding on it and nothing else about it was different though

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FUCK ZETA GUNDAM

Mecha is the most uncreative garbage ever.
The robots all look the same, operate/move in the same way and fight the same.
Plots are always "We are in war with this faction and have to fight them with our special snowflake robots" with some half assed politics slapped on or generic shounen "fight with your heart" shit.
The ultimate genre for autists.

>>150428564
Stop having shit taste

>>150429184
>hi I've only ever watched gundam on toonami

I would like mecha a lot more if they went more subtle with their plots. Compare Dougram with Aldnoah: one of these is clearly better executed despite having similar plots. Right now the "hero" mecha have become so overpowered there really is no such thing as real robot.

>>150428753
Delinquents will come back if you keep believing. Just like how gals came back.

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>>150428299
I wonder it Captain Earth really was that bad.
I remember NOTHING about it and I'm considering rewatching it, maybe Enokido was trying something that went over my head.

>>150429299
I liked Hana. She was cute.

>>150428851

Huge telegraph yeah.

Basically for those not in the know Zeta Gundam has historically been one of the more critically acclaimed and celebrated chapters in U.C Gundam that covers the Federation Civil War between it's Titans and A.E.U.G faction as well as the emergence of Neo Zeon. Sometime around when the anime fanbase started to get extra special shitpost happy /m/ set it's sights on retroactively trying to highlight it as this unabashedly terrible show for largely bullshit nonsensical reasons. They basically treat it the same way now as whatever the most recent Gundam is, but at this point it's again just gotten so shitposty I don't think /m/ would say literally any Gundam series is anything but the absolute worst thing ever. See /v/ and like literally any popular game and how impossible it is to get it to say even the slightest positive thing about it even in passing.

Anyway if I'm right this thread will now turn into shitposting about how awful /m/ thinks Zeta Gundam is from here on out and it looks like they're already starting to play that card hard and fast >>150429128

/m/ is still pushing the Z Is Shit meme I see (and probably the ZZ Is Good as well).

>>150428866
Yeah I get it, I'm saying that you're asking for TOO MUCH, having great animation should be more than enough.

>>150429273
gals?

>>150429255
THIS

Nearly every modern mecha is basically a real robot setting except the main characters and villains get some kind of super ultra super robot prototype that can pull anything out of its ass. Even the original Gundam was obsolete halfway through the series. Same goes for Zeta.

Aldnoah;Zero had potential. It could've saved mecha if Urobuchi had stayed on for the whole thing instead of bailing after the first episode.

>>150429255
>>150429451
>real robot = weak
>super robot = strong
You fucking retards

>>150426188
Exodus last year, and what was left of Origin/ Thunderbolt this year. I kinda liked Akito the Exiled too. IBO and Delta are shit but it's not to far from being on the level of the shitty Cosmic Era barring Stargazer (That was the best part and one of the better Gundam OVAS.) It's okay if Muramasa ever gets a shitty anime it will save the genre, which isn't going to happen.

>>150429395
Is this legitimate butthurt?
The reason why this meme even showed up was because zeta fans were absolute babies sperging on legitimate critism backed up with screencaps and facts, when their hug club was threatened

>>150429299
>I wonder it Captain Earth really was that bad.
Its not bad its just so unremarkable and boring. Like the show tried so hard to appeal to everyone but winded up appealing to no one. Its Star Driver without the memes

>>150429402
No it shouldn't, you dumb faggot.
If you only care about animation why don't you just cuts on sakugabooru? That way you don't have to waste any time with irrelevant shit like static scenes, writing and music.

>>150429614
*just watch cuts

>Gundam no reconguista doesn't exist

>>150429402
Nah, great animation alone really can't rope me in, else, I'd be watching Sound! Euphonium right now.

Not all aspects of a show need to be great or even perfect. They just need all to be good enough in the whole package.

In terms of video content, there's so much anime and cartoons and movies and video games coming out, and great anime and cartoons and movies and video games that came out before, and thanks to the internet having practically all that stuff around that I have the luxury to watch whatever I want that I enjoy, instead of only restricting myself to one thing and one thing alone.

>>150429660
Unfortunately it does.

>>150429660
You're right, it doesn't
Please don't mention it ever again

>>150429241
Nope, my description applies to like 90% of Mecha. One of the few it doesn't apply to is something like Patlabor.

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>>150429451
>Aldnoah;Zero had potential
This is from the first episode. I honestly cannot take anything you say seriously.

>>150429255

Coming at the genre from completely different playbooks, eras and focuses anon. Dougram came out in 1981 when Gundam had still just started to really catch on with reruns so it's coming out of a complete different paradigm and had nothing to really base itself off of or use to give it an instant popularity boost and pre-installed fanbase.

Aldnoah however is clearly trying to ape the Gundam Seed formula and literally anything and anyone recently popular as it's appeal to fans. It's also pretty clear that the goal was to try to get it to be popular by getting every big otaku name in the industry that had worked on a recent hit and to throw them onto the project together even if they had zero experience or insight with the genre proper. It held somewhat together for maybe 5 episodes in the first season and then started to unravel pretty quickly under the weight of all the production committee demands and general incompetence of the staff who were at best equipped to handle a generic VN/LN adaptation. Also putting it in a late night slot when mecha is historically a day time thing also made it clear they were aiming it more at the modern sort of otaku/fujo as opposed to mecha fans, but then again Aniplex has never been much of a daytime anime company anyway.

>>150429299
Man that show started strong and went absolutely nowhere. Great fucking designs though.

>>150429396

No ZZ is probably terrible to them as well. It's not about full on contrariness as I keep trying to explain but how everything under the sun is utter shit much like /v/ with games.

>>150429299

Incompetent staff and shitty bland characters was the problem yet again, just like the majority of 2010's anime. Just no insight into the genre and nothing to really offer it's fans other than the wacky antics, fanservice and nonsensical plotting/tone that the industry seems to think they want and why it keeps failing miserably while stuff like Gundam, Yamato, Patlabor etc. continue to do alright. That Enokido guy really needs to fuck off from the genre now and stick to the artsy stuff, he's just not fit for it at all.

Anyway all in all as long as the industry continues to approach the mecha genre from the perspective of late night otaku trash it does so at it's own peril.

>>150429722
>>150429756
>Being so prouf of your shit taste you feel the need to lampshade it

>>150429770
You specifically described Gundam and its clones, leaving out over 75% of all other mecha. That means 3 entire decades predating Gundam and everything else within the last 40 years that isn't a Gundam clone.

>>150429614
I do care about animation and think of it as a priority along with artistry in visual direction, which is precisely why I barely watch anime nowadays if that makes you feel any better, for whatever is the reason you're getting butt hurt I guess.

>>150429680
>Nah, great animation alone really can't rope me in, else, I'd be watching Sound! Euphonium right now.

Well I agree, it's not something that alone can rope you in but if it's not there then it's such a waste of time in my opinion.

>>150429402
All the good animation in the world couldn't have saved AO.

>>150429902
So the original Gundam is "a waste of time" since it has shit animation?
Really insightful opinion, thanks.

>>150429451

Almost anything has potential, it's just it's rarely ever going to realize it with late night anime anymore, especially with production companies like Aniplex who have no idea how to actually channel that potential into something worthwhile.

As long as they figure just getting enough popular names and benefits to hit up that 5K moderate but largely insignificant disc sales range (it never got that model kit line that was promised nor even a video game adaptation so I don't know what other sources of revenue it really had) by using their guaranteed fanboy buyers it's always going to come across as artificial and leave no real lasting impact once all the hyping dies down.

>>150429564

Who knows, it's up to you and them to sort out their own baggage and stupid arguing cycles if they ever actually feel like it, I'm just going based on what I see from them right now. Don't really give a shit which side are being babies and who has the hug box as it's really not my problem at the end of the day.

>>150429660
If only.

>>150423313
The biggest issue is CGshit and the fact that studios don't want to train actual animators to draw robots anymore because they're difficult.

Anyone who pretends to be a mecha fan and likes CGshit isn't actually a mecha fan.

>>150429902
I consider good animation in anime to be a nice surprise, not an essential thing. Good animation is something I rather expect from action cartoon shows.

>>150430033
If it has an original source/if it's an adaptation then yes. In Gundam's case, as far as I know it does so know it's not a waste of time but damn shit animation does suck does it not?

>>150429846
>That Enokido guy really needs to fuck off from the genre now and stick to the artsy stuff, he's just not fit for it at all.
The presence of mecha is irrevant for something like Star Driver, that is more similiar to Utena than to any mecha show.
And he also wrote Diebuster.

>>150430131
I will still like Star Wars Rebels and Star Wars Clone Wars with its CG-AT-ATs, AT-STs, droids and space ships, thank you very much.

>>150430157
>I consider good animation in anime to be a nice surprise, not an essential thing.

Goes to show how shit the quality of animation is in the industry.

>>150430033
IMO the jank actually adds to the original Gundam. Watched it for the first time last year and it was hilarious. The guncannon was solid gold whenever it showed up.

42 episodes into Zeta now. It's actually bad, not even memeing. It's prettier but the plot is recycling itself hard and the Titans are all one-dimensional compared to the Zeon of 079.

>>150430131
Sidonia was alright.

>>150423313
Space opera?

When I was a kid my favorite shows were mecha.

We got some french manga channel.

Anyone here remember:

BT'X
Van Dread
Chouja Raideen A,K,A Raideen the superior.

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>>150429680

>Not all aspects of a show need to be great or even perfect. They just need all to be good enough in the whole package.

And therein lies the problem with all this shit. None of this stuff matters to the production committees anymore because of the current late night anime business model and thinking that has kind of proven sustainable and that is that as long as you have the right big names like Urobuchi, Sawano, Kajiura, Nasu, Isin, Aoki, Mikimoto, Okouchi etc. to bait the fanboys and sexy cute girl character designs and a cliffhanger approach to script writing to if nothing else keep them watching week to week then nothing else involving how it all comes together if at all matters to the producers and the staff who are mainly there to lend their brand names.

They're typically off the hook for the most part and can just wing it by filling 12 episodes and then calling it a day with a slapped on convenient resolution ending albeit dozens of loose ends that never get resolved. You can even now have a plot and cast that goes almost if not entirely nowhere, subplots that get abandoned an episode later, and a show that does nothing exciting, fresh, particularly interesting or even internally consistent and still be able to make at least a modest profit or at the very worst not risk going below the break even line.

Face it late night anime is cheap shit for low standards otaku people that want just one or two things out of it all in order to fork over their cash. It's just a matter of being able to get those things in order which only a couple of production committees have the easy access and resources to do anymore.

>>150429299
This and GBF are easily my favorite recent mecha shows.

>>150429894
I described almost every mecha.
If I didn't then please post shows that have unique plots (i.e. not about fighting wars with special robots and some politics, or shounen shit) and where the robots actually operate and fight in unique ways (i.e. no generic pew pew lasers and swords shit or fighting like they're ninjas/martial artists)

Why haven't we had a fantasy mecha show make it big since Escaflowne?

The Tenchi Muyo spinoff counts... I GUESS.

>>150430131

Why spend money training the more hands on people to do their jobs better when you can just keep throwing the same handful of big producer staff names that are the face of the late night industry at them and idiot fans will claim it's a masterpiece anyway?

>>150430204
Ok, but that's not anime so it doesn't really apply here.

>>150430217
>Sidonia
Anon please

>>150425345
The only real benefit to watching every other Gundam and then watching GBF and GBF Try is recognizing the mecha and cameo/background characters that are expies from other series.

>>150430183

Well that's another issue, uncreative types using the mecha as a vehicle to tell/sell other types of stories that could just as easily be virtually identical without them. Even the most recent Macross series arguably didn't even need Valkyries for how little actual fighting went down in them. Maybe these companies think they can become the next Gundam by having a model kit line explode into it's own industry but again they do so at their own peril with the approach they are taking, especially with sticking all this shit on late night TV. Aside from IBO I can't actually remember the last day time mecha show.

>>150430438
Most super robot shows have nothing to do with wars.

>>150430516
It had good direction. Not saying it's amazing but it worked and the CG looked good when it wasn't 12 fps.

>>150430421
>All this hated
>All this mentioning of late night anime
While some of what you describe happens, I'm willing to bet you don't actually watch many shows each season, and are just a one of those dedicated autistic shitposters.

>>150423313
Not enough western influence. Battletech hasn't been a thing for over two decades.

ENHANCED IMAGING OR BUST

>>150430576
Aniplex-fag is kinda schizophrenic and sees a big world-wide anime conspiracy by the Aniplex-lizard-jews behind everything.

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It's okay, Trigger will save mecha (and anime as a whole like usual) with the TTGL's 10th anniversary new Imaishi show.

I know what we need.

We need more Big-O.

>>150430562
NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND
IT CAN'T BE FIGHTING IN WARS OR ANY FIGHTING IN GENERAL AND IT CAN'T HAVE POLITICS AND IT CAN'T HAVE SWORDS, LASERS OR FIST FIGHTING TO MEET MY SPECIAL CRITERIA OH WHOOPS I JUST DESCRIBED 90% OF ALL FICTION

>>150430450

Cause people keep trying to unsuccessfully rip off the Code Geass and Seed formulas to try to generate their own hit. Even Gundam itself moved beyond the Seed inspired stuff rather quickly with a brief detour back into it with how AGE turned out theme wise.

As for Code Geass, it's funny how things have come full circle and after all these failed attempts (mostly by Aniplex) to have their own example of it Sunrise/Bandai is just bringing it back anyway. I know Bandai/Aniplex are pretty close companies in terms of human resources and investments so I wonder if the latter after like 4-5 attempts over the last 7 years finally just said, "fuck it you guys try having a go at it again over on your side of ACJ", after Aldnoah and Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress mostly just pissed people off at the end of the day.

Personally I'd have no problem with the return to that status quo as Aniplex really should just stick to the late night LN/VN otaku baiting shit and leave the more daytime toyetic multi-demographic targeted stuff to Banrise because they've just always been way better and more successful at managing it. Even with shit like GuP vis-a-vis Haifuri with mostly the same staff it's pretty self-evident that production committee management is a huge issue.

>>150430562
They're shounen shit. And all have samey designs, movement and fighting.

>>150430714
I already said that Patlabor doesn't follow my description. But I guess an autist like you can't imagine a mecha show being kinda unique, every one needs to follow the same damn formula.

>>150430562
They mentioned two categories of mecha, and those make up more than 90% of everything:
1. fighting war with robots and some politics
2. shounen shit

Category 1 = real robots
Category 2 = super robots

>>150430871
Seed used Gundam Wing's formula though, so it's lder than that.

>>150430885
Oh, and I'm not saying EVERY super robot or real robot falls into these categories, but almost all super robots are shounen shit, and almost all real robots are stupid wars with slapped on politics. But both types have exceptions.

>>150430884
>I already said that Patlabor doesn't follow my description
Except Patlabor has
>politics
>special robots
>generic guns and punches
W H O O P S

>>150430560
With that kind of mindset that promotes stagnation, shows like Infinite Ryvius or even FLCL wouldn't have been made.
Just because a story uses mecha to talk about something else it doesn't make it bad, unless you're some sort of integralist.
Capable artists can give much to a genre, even, or sometimes especially, if they come from a different background.

>>150427969
To be fair, someone defending SEED is enough to bring any man over the edge.

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>It's a casuals won't watch Bubuki or Fafner because it's not MUH GURREN LAGANN ALL STYLE NO SUBSTANCE TRASH BEWTEEFUL ANUMITION WHO CARES BOUT STORY

Enjoy your shitty SoL Harry Potter knockoff

>>150430183
>The presence of mecha is irrevant for something like Star Driver, that is more similiar to Utena than to any mecha show.
Yeah and its fucking shit.
>And he also wrote Diebuster.
And?

>>150431030
>Infinite Ryvius or even FLCL
Those aren't even mecha shows

>>150430963
>politics
I said half assed war politics.
Patlabor isn't about wars so the polictics are unique

>special robots
The robots are clunky pieces of shit, unlike in other mecha where they're the best thing in the universe

>generic guns and punches
Good thing Patlabor isn't about fighting much

>>150431158
Of course they are.

>>150430576

I used to but not much anymore after shows keep ending up just goddamn terrible, particularly late night TV originals. If anything I'll wait for a show to finish, get some feedback from trustworthy sources and just skip all the hype bubble shit that doesn't really do anything for me anyway like it does for others anyway.

Sorry but why would I stick around for that and continue to watch seasonal stuff as it airs when I'm 90%+ certain is going to end up absolutely terrible and a waste of my time based on all the signs and trends of late.

>>150430620

If you're referring to me then yes I think they're a shit incompetent production management company with a Michael Bay Institute like formula and approach to entertainment that doesn't care how the average show turns out anymore and just approaches anime like a get rich off of otaku/fujos and pre-established popular franchises/names scheme. It's not a worldwide conspiracy since I don't even consider anime that significant as a medium, that's just apparently their business model since about 2013 in particular with rare exception. It's especially been noticeable in their approach to mecha/sci-fi productions which have all kind of followed the same arc of just going to shit hard and fast and feature a lot of the same repeat offenders on staff.

>>150430871
>As for Code Geass, it's funny how things have come full circle and after all these failed attempts (mostly by Aniplex) to have their own example of it Sunrise/Bandai is just bringing it back anyway.
You do realize its a 10th anniversary project right? Not really much of a sign of anything

>>150431211
The Ryvius isn't a mecha and FLCL isn't even focused on robots

I think /m/ is a good board and people saying how shitty it is just overexaggerate

Every time I posted something to discuss it was pretty good, it's really just the zeta threads that happen sometimes

zeta was ok

>>150430620
Oh it's just him? I'll ignore him now.

>>150430623
But Imaishi is a horrible director and TTGL sucked.

>>150431322
The Ryvius is a mecha, and FLCL focuses on mecha more than Star Driver, that was the object of the conversation.

>>150431322
Unless you want to make the definition of mecha "it has to be bad", then yes, FLCL is mecha.
If the only theme allowed in mecha is watching moving mechanical parts, no characters or deeper meaning whatsoever, then mecha is a terrible genre.

>>150430932

No I promise you it doesn't at all and that they're both going for very different kinds of things with themes of pacifism (which Wing tackled far more directly and in a more balanced way) and there being five Gundams built to start being all that they really have in common. Do you want me to explain the difference to you further or should I not bother?

>>150431030

Those shows came out before these issues really started to become a problem. Again it's far more of a late night TV anime issue than anything and late night anime arguably only mattered much to greater otaku culture between the years of 2006-2013 or so where it enjoyed a bit of a boom both in terms of popular influence and profitability for the industry. Late Night TV anime is kind of on it's last legs right now having been incapable of generating even a modest hit new franchise since Shirobako. At the moment it's timeslots most of which belong to specific production committees are mainly just being used as an outlet for Mobage and LN commercials for NEET type fans and fast money benefits/event ticket schemes anyway while a lot of the kind of content you saw for late night anime during it's heyday late 2000's heyday has migrated more to the OVA/Movie trilogy and video game scene where the staff can have more time to breath, plan properly and do things their way.

>>150431379
>The Ryvius is a mecha,
Its not. Its explained in show that its more bio centric than mechanical
> FLCL focuses on mecha more than Star Driver
The villains plot in Star Driver is getting the Cybodies into the real world. FLCL does not focus on mecha. Canti is robot in the show.
>>150431423
Mecha is anything that focuses on robots where they're intgural to the plot, Canti is literally just there to be cool and his origins is never really explained other than he's a robot from Metal Metallica.

>>150431337

Every time I've bothered it just seems like people having fake meltdowns and engaging in histrionics and meme spamming same as what's slowing happening to /a/ and what /v/ is in it's entirety. Maybe anime fans really just can't into discussion without having to frame it as some exhausting us vs. theme polarized argument now.

>tfw I enjoyed both SEEDs, ZZ and even shitty adaptations like Linebarrels of Iron

who shit taste here

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>>150428851
>tfw I hate Zetaposting but I can't get mad at it because I hate Zeta too

>>150431570
Zeta is a masterpiece.

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>>150431624
t. ANN, MAL, and Reddit

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>>150431624
>Zeta is a masterpiece
Don't you make me do it

>>150431557
seed and destiny were classics compared to the gundam turds that came after 00

>>150431542
It's still a lot better than /v/ or even /a/ in terms of getting angry at nothing

>>150431624
Was 0083 a masterpiece?
I'm not sure if I liked the anime as a whole or just the mecha designs and some of the characters

>>150431507
>Its not. Its explained in show that its more bio centric than mechanical
Is this the point where we argue if Eva is mecha?
>The villains plot in Star Driver is getting the Cybodies into the real world. FLCL does not focus on mecha. Canti is robot in the show.
And Haruko's objective is making robots come into the world to free Atomsk, which is awakened by piloting Canti. And Medical Mechanica's objective is to use those mechas to activate their headquarter. It's mecha.

>>150423939
Kuromukuro had really great fights. It did the melee shtick way better than IBO

>>150431740
0083 is the only not-good Gundam OVA. Not necessarily bad though.

>>150431735
I thought Destiny was cool until the MC replacement part which is maybe 75% through the show.
Impulse was also way cooler than the generic all-in-one Destiny

>>150427328
/m/ used to be a great board.
It could be great but the mods just don't give a fuck.

>>150431740
Z is good, 0083 is terrible.

>>150431869
>Mods don't give a fuck

No, we've got actively antagonistic Mods.

The ones who warn you/ban you for reporting (not announcing your reports mind you) a chronic /m/ shitposter and who drove out literally EVERY fucking translator the board had.

>>150431493
Well, the rehashed wall of text about late night anime certainly suits you more than half assed statements about mecha and "uncreative types", subjects you clearly know little about.

>>150430438
Votoms

/m/ has been shit for years. i remember it being a constant uc gundam circlejerk and any thread about anything else with giant robots would get derailed and shitposted into oblivion by uc fags. serves you right. now go back to /m/ where the trash belongs

>>150432055
Gundam is literally the greatest mecha and anime series of all time and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>150431916
I haven't been on /m/ regularly lately. They're hurting for translators? For what series?

>>150432084
It's statements like this that make people think all mecha sucks.

>>150432147
It's shit taste like yours that makes people think Gundam sucks

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>>150423313
>there a single genre more dead than Mecha?

the western-influenced action girl genre is more dead than mecha to the point of non-existent.

because mature women are now seen as christmas cake fapbait shit

>>150432084
yeah. unicorn, age, build fighter, g reco and ibo were all so great. makes you wonder why the genre is dying when there are so many gundam masterpieces.

now go masturbate to some shitty uc gundam series and cry yourself to sleep you cuck

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>>150431123
>And?
Diebuster is great. It kept the original thematics of Gunbuster and with Tsurumaki and Enokido thumprints attached made it remarkably standout and original. Diebuster can hold itself on its own two feet without relying on Gunbuster.

>>150423939
>>150424519
>>150428139
>>150428496
Came here to tell you all that Kuromukuro is bad. Story was stupid as shit and the CGI looked like shit.

>>150432189
Unicorn was good.

>>150432258
it looked good, you mean

>>150432434
Nah, it was good all around.

>>150432242
I'm already here, but I agree.

>>150432036
War
Generic designs, movement and fighting

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Valvrave was a shit show, in both senses. But man, was it a great watch simply because we all watched it together. I miss the shitposting.

>>150432696
But it's not about a war. That's just backstory

>>150423705
>Kill La Kill 2

>>150433413
>KlK invented hot blooded females

>>150433218
Good times. I miss SamFlam too.

>>150433646
I don't. "It was fun if watched with /a/!' is cancer. SamFlam was good before it went retard and everyone picked it up.
I'll make sure to avoid Code Geass 3 and its threads too.

>>150433264
Even if it's not a "war" it's still mainly about getting into life or death armed conflicts between robots.

>>150433991
>>150430438
>>150431203
Are you really asking for someone to name a mecha anime with no combat, only mook robots, and no weapons nor martial arts, or are you just trying to choke on Patlabors dick?

Mecha is dead because they can't merchandise for shit anymore unless it's Gundam. Majestic Prince, Kuromukuro and Fafner Exodus were all solid, not exceptional but solid shows. Kuromukuro wastes a lot of time during the middle part though.

Regalia could have been good but it was trying to appeal to two completely different crowds and the story is weak.

>>150423493
>You could have mentioned Unicorn as well.
Unicorn is even more "good animation and little else" because the format left all the characters shallow, exposition vomiting, melodramatic jackasses with zero room for wit, humor or any real opportunity to grow with them. Instead, they're put in horribly contrived circumstances(with one obligatory flashback scene each) one after the other to shove the series' half baked message down your throat.

Then it ends right back where they started and knowing damn well F91 happens after nothing they do brings any lasting change. Zeon was already gone as far as continuity goes before this shit sprung up so "getting rid of Zeon for good" can't be the answer.

Good grunt porn though. Beautiful OVA.

>>150429058
>>150426947
/m/ has been a shitposting cesspool for the past 2 years, you actually cannot discuss Gundam shows there anymore.

>>150427752
You're either a IBOfag or a Tominofag. It doesn't matter if you aren't even talking about Gundam there. Hope you enjoy weeklong shitposting threads that never get deleted because /m/ will autistically argue with shitposters to the point of exhaustion and far beyond that.

>>150432132
Just about anything. Even if you just translate interviews, eventually you'll get warned and then banned because someone you replied to doesn't like you.

>>150434208
>no combat
Combat that isn't generic as fuck.
Once you've seen one mecha fight you've seen them all basically

>only mook robots
Doesn't have to be but it would be refreshing

>no weapons nor martial arts
Again they can have these things if they actually put some variety/creativity into it. Literally what is the point of even writing about fictional machines if they fight exactly the same as humans?

>>150434607
>Literally what is the point of even writing about fictional machines if they fight exactly the same as humans?
Because most of these machines are human-shaped? Why wouldn't they exactly fight like humans?

>>150434591
Regalia had since sweet looking mech action, especially episode 5 I think, but that weak plot and characters really weighed it down.

I haven't translated anything on /m/ in a while, but that's depressing to hear.

>>150434607
Leaving aside that by those standards Votoms is exactly whar you are asking for, because ATs definitely don't have generic fights nor human movements, how about Xabungle, Gasaraki and Bokurano?

>>150423427
Anime about kids owning mini mechas when?
wait a minute

>>150434607
>anything that doesn't follow my arbitrary and eloquently undefined criteria of "not being generic as fuck" is shit shit shit shit shit SHIT

The great thinker of our times. I can guarantee this guy is a mecha pleb whose experience with the genre boils down to basic bitch.

>>150434755
Because machines and humans are different.
Because a fiction concept that works 95% the same as real life is a boring concept.
Because "it's exactly the same but it's bigger" is dumb.

>>150423313
Captain Earth was pretty, if nothing else

>>150435249
Maybe you don't understand because you have autism but I'm pretty sure shooting lasers and punching/slashing is considered generic, especially for a genre that's decades old.
Do you think DBZ is fresh too?

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>>150423313
Buddy Complex is unironically the best mecha of the 2010s.