How do we make anime good again and retake the medium back from

>>150081759
Make the genres you like more profitable and able to sell merch better

>>150081759
Bebop was slice of life too

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Westernization, nips just want to watch highschool girls doing boring shit all day. Burgers like more action oriented shows.

>>150081759
1. Don't watch the one or two "SOL moe" shows that air every season.
2. You're done.

That wasn't so hard was it?

Bebop is just SOL rule of cool cancer

Avoid making trash like bebop

>>150081927
This, some of the most enjoyable parts were them just fucking around on a ship and seeing life in the future.

>complaining about moeblobs when Ed exists

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How do we protect anime from plotfags who want to ruin it with shitty stories?

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>>150081759
Its not 2010 anymore. Lurk more.

>>150082378
The series didn't revolve around Ed you kneckbeard retard , a whole series devoted to Ed would be shit

>>150081759
You should kill yourself with fire while being in front of some big studio using english runes.

>>150081759
More action, more giant robots, more catgirls.

I just dont want more anime like SAO. That nearly ruined it for me

>>150082971
You just have shit taste and like dicks probably.

>>150081759
Calling out moe but not LN and fujoshit garbage. You are part of the problem.

Fix the financial issues within the industry so people will have more incentive to be experimental and take risks rather than solely relying on spin-offs of existing franchises and waifu bait they know will sell to otaku buyfags.

>>150083397
Light novels are a meme. They are outnumbered by both manga adaptations and original shows (there's only three this season), and they are not a genre.

Fujoshi shows aren't bad just because you aren't the target audience.

>>150083549
Exact same is true for moe from business perspective. So what's your problem?Don't like don't watch.

>>150083543
There doesn't exist any such thing as waifubait.

Original and "non-otaku" shows are made all the time but you people refuse to acknowledge them because they don't fit your narrative.

>>150083601
I never said I have a problem.

>>150083543
Anime is a niche medium. Other methods wouldn't work.

Yeah i suppose. Nothing really good like FMA or Beepbop has been made recently tho

>>150083630
>There doesn't exist any such thing as waifubait.

Shows that put heavy focus on making at least half a dozen female characters dumbed down into cookie-cutter archetypes (*dere) are waifubait. They don't make the most use of the limitless nature of the medium and instead try to create a foundation to sell merch of a bunch of virtually hallow, uninspired characters.

If those original shows were as good as the original shows made 10 or so years ago, they'd be more noteworthy, but as it stands, most of them lack the same look feel, and pull of the anime from the "everyone tries to ride Bebop's coat tails" era, or they start off great but lose their pacing and end terribly.

>>150083638
>niche
Hardly. Its far more popular than ever, yet there was way more diversity a decade ago, even with 1/3 of the amount of anime being produced.

>>150083921
>Shows that put heavy focus on making at least half a dozen female characters dumbed down into cookie-cutter archetypes (*dere) are waifubait.
You are the one who dumbs them down to archetypes, and there's nothing wrong with archetypes anyway. They're all over fiction, both Western and Japanese. Archetype doesn't just mean le epic tsundere meme.

A waifu is a character that is so special to you that you would marry her if you could, so she is in a sense like your wife. There's no telling where people will find a waifu; it could be K-On, Fate/stay night, Madoka, Evangelion, Hibike, Lain, Pretty Cure or Attack on Titan. You can't "bait" someone into having a waifu, and most people don't even have one.

>They don't make the most use of the limitless nature of the medium
Making use of the medium of anime doesn't mean making only things that you like.

>instead try to create a foundation to sell merch of a bunch of virtually hallow, uninspired characters.
Almost all of these shows are adapted from manga. They are not original.

Selling merchandise has been a thing since Astro Boy, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

>If those original shows were as good as the original shows made 10 or so years ago, they'd be more noteworthy
Here it comes. Almost every time you people are told that original and "non-otaku" shows are still around, you claim they're shit so they don't really count. Doesn't matter what they are, they are shit. Because they were made after December 31, 1999.

>>150083664
OPM was pretty good I enjoyed ReZero too. Good things have come out they are just hard to find

>>150084252
I usually don't get involved with a just because 75% of the people here are just elitists

>>150084252
I don't see what is supposed to be difficult about it.

>>150084320
Good anime are usually drowned out by all of the bad ones a lot of inbetween ones though

>>150081759
>make anime good again
Picture unrelated.

>>150084354
Also I actually didn't like cowboy bebop I watched the first 8 episode and just got bored

>>150084354
Nothing is drowning out anything. They are all separate shows. They are all listed in alphabetical order on Anichart. You can download or stream on an equal basis.

>>150084420
But people usually just try to watch whats popular because that's what your going to assume is good. I'm not going to be thinking the least popular shows are the best unless they are recommended to me

>>150084495
I look at Anichart and possibly read ANN's season previews to get a more detailed impression of a show. I have a very low threshold for watching something. It makes no difference to me what's popular.

People who go by what's popular and talked about are shooting themselves in the foot.

We can't. Demand for more artistic anime will come again at some point. Fantasy/Action and Romance anime are selling well currently. I don't watch these because I don't want to contribute to the demand. I personally want to see more stuff like: Cowboy Bebop, NGE, Akira, etc. These anime were creative, immersive, and simply put, had hard work put into them from the original creator.

MAL is the other way, faggot.

>>150084579
Your "artistic anime" gets made all the time but of course you won't watch it.

>>150084495
Also its hard to find good things by reading the description alone. There have been so many good shows ive watched where I hesitated to watch them because of their descriptions.
>>150084566
Usually during a season ill test things that look interesting and then a few weeks later ill look at some of the popular ones to see if they are good. Also ive never used Anichart ill check it out later but I'm going to sleep.

>>150084650
list names. I agree somewhat. I just haven't found something as insanely creative or painstakingly worked on as akira or nge

>>150084579
What qualifies as "artistic anime"?

>>150084579
>Cowboy Bebop
>NGE
>Akira
>Artistic
Hahahahaha

>>150084709
?

>>150084694
Flip Flappers for example. Hibike, particularly season two, If you want something painstakingly produced. These are both airing as we speak.

>>150084703
Its the same difference as a boy band which is organized via a business versus a genuine band which has created a name for itself via its genuine creativity and innovation.

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>>150084951
This is really well made.

>>150084822
If you don't understand what I meant, it's no wonder you though those anime are artistic.

>>150084215
I don't know if its just my wording or you're conflating me to typical 20th century elitists and just assuming all of my intentions ("you people"), but you're not really understanding any of what I'm saying.

First of all, the most recent anime I consider good isn't something from the 1999 or earlier, its actually from 2008, which should have been clear when I mentioned "ten years ago". Most of my favs are from 1999-2005, with a few afterwards.

I know what a waifu is, and no shit people can pull waifus from anything, waifubait is any show that specifically creates a large cast of female characters with the sole intention of marketing them. Can Lain be someone's waifu? Yes. Is she from a series created with the sole purpose of appealing to a bunch of shut-ins to make a profit? Absolutely not.

Waifubait shows are pretty much just like the harem ecchi shows from a decade ago, Ikki Tousen being a prime example, they just aren't blatantly sexual and typically revolve around "moe" characters.

>Making use of the medium of anime doesn't mean making only things that you like.
I never said, nor implied that. There are plenty of things I don't like. I'm not a fan of hypermasculine stuff like Berserk, nor am I a fan of feudal Japanese stuff like Kenshin. I don't think either of those are bad. What I meant by making use of the medium is that animation is something that's pretty much limitless in the settings, societies, and characters you can create, and instead we're stuck in a box of SoL and "high school kids with superpowers", save for a handful of shows that don't follow that vein but don't really maintain the same oomph they started with.

>Selling merchandise has been a thing since Astro Boy, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Making merch isn't bad, making shows with a primary goal to sell merch often results in something empty.

>>150084978
somebody else made it. the full video is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQkX5dg248c

Make anime merch cheaper.

Realise that TV is a dying medium and migrate to an internet subscribe to watch model.

Actually tap into foreign markets instead of just pawning off the rights to dub your shit to the highest bidder. I'm pretty sure there is a global market pretty much everything anime related in Japan.

>>150081759
CB isn't even that good.
overrated show with too much fillers

>>150085039
>waifubait is any show that specifically creates a large cast of female characters with the sole intention of marketing them.
Those shows are almost always adapted from manga or light novels, and you are assuming they are made with a cynical intent just because you don't like their content, which is pathological narcissism. It's also irrational because it supposes that content creators cannot enjoy such works, but if there are people who like them then why wouldn't some of those people become content creators too? Content creators and fans are basically the same people in Japan. Someone who is into stuff like Azumanga and K-On becomes a manga artist and publishes their own work similar to them.

>Is she from a series created with the sole purpose of appealing to a bunch of shut-ins to make a profit?
It's a meme that otaku are all "shut-ins." Or that everyone who likes these shows is an "otaku."

>What I meant by making use of the medium is that animation is something that's pretty much limitless in the settings, societies, and characters you can create
Anime is used for everything from realistic drama to crazy surrealism. It has no mandate to only focus on things that can't be achieved in live action.

>instead we're stuck in a box of SoL and "high school kids with superpowers", save for a handful of shows that don't follow that vein but don't really maintain the same oomph they started with.
We are stuck in no such box, which you would know if you actually watched anime.

>Making merch isn't bad, making shows with a primary goal to sell merch often results in something empty.
They aren't made with the goal of selling merchandise. Promoting the source material is likely the primary goal, followed by disc sales. Merchandise (in significant quantities) is usually the by-product of a successful series. People buy merchandise when they like the show and/or characters. They don't buy the merchandise just for its own sake.

>>150085039
>instead we're stuck in a box of SoL and "high school kids with superpowers", save for a handful of shows that don't follow that vein
Go to Anichart and list the shows which you think fall into each of these categories.

>>150084252
Why the fuck are you on fucking /a/? Kill yourself nigger.

Mod fucking seriously this is the kind of shit that should be removed before you jump the shark that is generals.

>>150085467
I can do it for him.

SoL shows in the narrow stereotypical sense (i.e. shows similar to K-On) include Stella no Mahou and maybe Long Riders. That's it.

SoL shows in the broad sense include 12-sai, Natsume Yuuchinchou (maybe, haven't seen it), Touken Ranbu (probably), Udon no Kuni and WWW. Working, although the latter may lean more towards regular comedy.

"High school kids with superpowers" includes possibly Aijin and... that seems to be it, as far as I can see.

>>150084853
So you mean commercialism is inherently opposed to art? I don't think that sort of mindset is remotely congruent with anime as it has ever existed.

Reminder to all artfuck snobs: waifubait anime funds the "artistic" flops that you like watching. Killing it wouldn't mean more shows you like would get produced, it would just mean less anime overall.

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>>150081797
FPBP

>>150085663
Anime is commercial as fuck and producers are masters at squeezing blood out of a stone, but that has only been beneficial for anime.

>>150081759
We make a series about a dude in an mmo, whos talking via a strange device he found in a dungeon to an alternate universe version of his love interest from a universe where his world is just a game.
she gives him players guide tips, monster weaknesses and dungeon layouts.
Over the course of time while divulging their deepest secrets, they discover the true nature of isekai.

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>>150084215
>A waifu is a character that is so special to you that you would marry her if you could, so she is in a sense like your wife. There's no telling where people will find a waifu; it could be K-On, Fate/stay night, Madoka, Evangelion, Hibike, Lain, Pretty Cure or Attack on Titan. You can't "bait" someone into having a waifu, and most people don't even have one.

Seriously, FUCKING KILL YOURSELF!
FUCKING FAGGOT CANCER THATS KILLNG ANIME.

>>150086934
How exactly am I killing anime by describing what a waifu is?

Incidentally, that gif is fake. Miyazaki never said that. He also didn't say "anime was a mistake," that's fake too.

>>150086976
How's autism treating you?

>>150087685
How does describing what a waifu is make me autistic?

>>150087715
Explaining yourself and paying attention to this faggot ass nigga is autistic, just a heads-up.

>>150087774
How is that autistic?

epic thread for an epic board inhabited by epic people having epic discussions about epic things

>>150081759
We go back to /v/ and never post here again. Easy!

>>150089062
Jesus fucking christ did you really need to bring the thread back just to post this shit?

>>150081759
"SOL moe cancer" anime that people like you usually frown about are only three at most every season. Hardly an oppression or something like that.

>>150081759

make SoL but not moe cancer

make shonens not be 90% battle focused

make a business model that isn't based of pushing out half finished 12 fps crap on BDs

point a gun at every jap nip dog eating subhuman writer and force them to read classics until they understand what 'storytelling' is, and why random spontaneous deaths as the plot driver or tear jerker in your shitty chinese cartoon makes the rest of the world treat your storytelling medium like a joke

>>150089520
This is a /co/ false flag by some butthurt ameritard who's bitter because anime is infinitely better than their shit.

>>150081759
How do we make anime good?
How about adapting some of the great manga that has already been finished: 20th century boys, oldboy, battle royale, Kurosawa, Eden, Vinland saga, liar game etc.
there are so many great stories out there that sadly won't get adapted, because adapting them would be risky, and if there is one thing anime industry is afraid of doing, it's taking risks. Where the LN's and porn games at? Anime is fucking dead...

>>150090004
They fucking take "risks" all the time but you whiny faggot retards never watch anything.

>>150089932

you're a mong

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>>150081759
Sadly nothing can be done moeshit is here to stay

>>150090087
You're a butthurt /co/ false flagger.

>>150090099
They make a couple of "moeshit" shows per season, what the fuck is so difficult about just not watching them?

>>150090047
Okay, list all the risks they took this year.
Protip: fujoshit does not count.

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>We like Isekai but still complain about SoL.

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>>150090128
Because all the anime that aren't moeshit are gay as fuck.

>>150090134
What the fuck makes you think I was talking about fujoshi shows you retard?

Fucking "muh deep" and "muh mature" shows like Great Passage, Joker Game, Erased, Death Parade, Psycho Pass, Perfect Insider, Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, Drifters, 91 Days, Concrete Revolutio and Kabaneri come out all the time and you retards just fucking flat-out refuse to even acknowledge their existence, and if someone mentions them you retort with "b-b-but they're all s-shit, they don't count" no matter what the shows in question are or if you've even heard of them before.

Shows like Flip Flappers, Regalia and Matoi the Sacred Slayer are risky too because they're original stories and there's no guarantee they're going to be successful no matter how much you meme about "otaku" buying literally anything with cute girls in it.

>>150089520
So fujoshit? No thanks.

>>150090087
Fuck off

>>150090178
Implying that Amuro ray never acted like a whiny bitch...

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>>150090416
Amuro Ray went from whiny yet reasonable child to a grown man, while Shinji is still a child 20 years later.

>>150086976
retard

>>150090178
why the fuck would you watch mecha? fucking child

>>150085486
>he can't tell if that was a bait or not

Why the fuck are you on fucking /a/? Kill yourself nigger.

You cant influence Japanese animation unless you are japanese.

So you dont.

>>150085039
>Making merch isn't bad, making shows with a primary goal to sell merch often results in something empty.

And then you shitters complain where all muh mecha went.

Hint: it's because the specific kind of manchild that buys plastic robots is dying out and the remaining ones only care about Gundam.

>>150081759
We don't.

Before SoL moe got popular anime was nothing but crappy macho fantasies.

>>150081759
>retake the medium back from the SOL moe cancer

Not possible. We simply don't buy anime, so we cannot retake it back from the otaku that slobber all over SOL moe cancer shit. Money talks and the money is saying that they want to wank it to cute girls doing cute things, hot glue figures, buy body pillows of loli, idol CDs and more.

We just have to deal with the fact that we get one "good" mature anime for mature people, such as myself about once a year or so.

>>150082021
>1. Don't watch the one or two "SOL moe" shows that air every season.

Try four to five.

>>150096054
holy fucking shit that's almost A WHOLE TENTH of anime, this favoritism is simply disgusting.

>>150090285
The thing you have to realize when talking to these idiots is that they are not in fact complaining about what anime actually is made nowadays, they're just buttmad that people on the internet mostly talk about shows they don't like.

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>>150096091

It's worse of than you think, senpai. You see production studios predict that SOL cancer shit will sell boat loads. So they put their best animators on the anime, preproductions into figs/figures, banners on buildings etc.

Meanwhile.

You have brilliantly written content like Overlord getting a one of pity fuck anime with no effort put into it. A literal travesty and disservice to all of the fandom.

>Incredulous looking anime girl

I recently lost my 7 years collection of reaction faces......

>>150096403
yeah tell me more about how long riders is sucking up all the production values, i'm waiting

you faggots are half a decade late with your "knowledge" and probably stopped watching anime when k-on came out because that was too "girly"

>>150096564

I was here BEFORE K-on released...... and my opinions haven't changed in eight years.

>>150096165
In short, the idiots who keep complaining about no good mature animu for mature people are insecure teenagers who just want their opinion to be validated by a large mass of other anime-watchers.