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Let's talk about boat girl. What's her end game?
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>>150073461
Like all girls in this show, making Cocona go doki doki.
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>>150073461
Mimi!
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Real talk.

There's no reason for EVERY girl in this show to be flat.
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>>150073461
Highly likely to be a standin for Cocona's mother.
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>>150073461
She just wants to get off the fucking boat.
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Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPPkcjuZDGA
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>>150073461
CRASHING THIS BOAT
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>>150073515
>flat
She obviously has breasts from looking at how her clothes fold, they just aren't very big.
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>>150073515
flip flappers more like tit flatters amirite
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>>150073498
>When Cocona was a baby she constantly demanded to get breastfed
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このアニメはファントムワールドを思い出させる
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>>150073533
Tell me about Cocona. Why does she wear the mask?
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>>150073515
>Sayuri
>flat
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>cockona
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Cocona will leave Flip Flap because she's fed up with Salt's bullshit. She'll try to return to her normal life but Papika will come after her.

Twins are going to be the final boss. They will learn to Henshin and then turn on KKK. Papika will come after Cocona seeking her help to deal with the new menace.

Big twist is that the girls can also Henshin in the real world, not just in Pure Illusion.
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>>150073605
cutest delinquent, the whole idea of cocona trying to be scary and imposing is fucking hilarious to me.
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Still interested in how /a/ ranks the episodes, surprised by the results so far.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11712430
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>>150073461
The CR subtitle track from episode 1 spoiled that boat girl is Mimi

Cocona is probably getting those dreams because of the shard embedded in her leg.
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>>150073461
Mimi's end game is to protect Cocona and the world from KKK aggression.
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I want to read old threads,which one is the best archive?
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Does everyone have a shard or just a few people? Can you steal their shards by going into their Pure Illusions Psychonauts-style (now that we know Uexkull and Iroha had Pure Illusions)?
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>>150073689
>Toto
>Mahou Shota Henshin scene
YES, please.
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>>150073765
desuarchive
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>>150073765
Go search Desuarchive for day-of-airing threads, those are the best ones. If there are theories that interest you, do keyword searches (like Thomasson, Dante, Lamps, etc).
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>>150073734
i hope we get to see a real fight between flip flappers and kkkids. i feel like we really haven't had a chance to see everything yyk and the twins can do yet. also i think it would be good to see yyk fight the flip flappers to try to prove herself to kkk, before switching sides to take them down. i think that would be good for her character.
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>>150073515
>Sayuri will never be my girlfriend
Why even live?
Who's her boyfriend? I want to punch him.
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>>150073867
>Who's her boyfriend?
Why can't this meme just die already?
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>>150073867
It's me.
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>>150073734
>nobody likes Episode 2

What why? It was great.
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>>150073895
Post your address, you fucboi.
I'm going to break your face.
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>>150073909
Because other episodes are just greater.
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>>150073776
It's not that simple, it's been said that Pure Illusion is more like the collective unconscious that just resonates with certain people at certain spots, and that seems to be not only dependent on the target but also who enters it.
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>>150073909
I'll admit that I voted before I realized that I could choose more than one.
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>>150073592
How do I say "not even in my top3" in moon.
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>>150073909
Yeah, it had the best flapper.
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>>150073909
It's just nobody's favorite, probably because it's fairly similar to episode 1.
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>>150073993
Papika being super impressed with Cocona's ability to read remains one of my favourite scenes in the show.
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Why is robot called Bu-chan?
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>>150073689
No anon, they can henshin in the real world because it's fusing with PI.
Also you're forgetting the twintails loli.
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>>150073867
Sayuri is my lover. Sometimes it feels bad to cheat on my wife Cocona with her but I take out my ring when we do it.
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>>150073689
>Cocona will leave Flip Flap because she's fed up with Salt's bullshit
More likely what's going to happen is that after the PI at the end of episode 7, Cocona will confront Salt demanding answers. When he continues his bullshit, she'll have had enough and bail. Her quitting Flip Flap will probably be what causes her falling out with Papika, too.
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>>150073909
You can choose more than 1?
Whoops.
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>still not thursday
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>>150074293
>the rest of the show is just going to be breakup drama

Fuck. We'll probably get an entire moping episode too.

This always happens when directors think "lol writing is easy, I can do this" and fire the writers.
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>>150074175
please stop role playing

>>150074073
I think Papika gave him that name. He's referred to as TT-392 by Sayuri in the first episode.
When he's searching for fragments, he makes a noise like "byu" or "pyu" so maybe Papika just came up with Bu.
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>>150074308
Thursdays are a myth.
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This show baldy, BALDY needs a satisfying ending, or it will go down in history with shows like Kaiba and WIXOSS.
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Holy shit, the previous thread ran its course in like 6 hours and it's not even airing day.

Are threads speeding up?
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>>150074334
>implying writing isn't easy
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>>150074308
It is thursday, it's just pretending to be tuesday.
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>>150074388
It's also spoiler day.
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>>150074383
wixoss never was this good to begin with

the most fitting comparison is kyousougiga and its stunningly bad ending
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>>150074397
Shitty writing is literally the most common reason that anime ends up being shit.
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>>150074383
>baldy, BALDY
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>>150074334
Papika has to answer for all those dead girls before Cocona. They may have been like arranged marriages but Coconuts gonna get pissed when shen finds out.
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>>150074383
To be fair, people unanimously praise Kaiba as a must-see classic despite its abortive ending. The rest of the show was so damn good that the ending alone wasn't enough to ruin it.

I don't think Flip Flappers has quite reached that level. It will actually need to stick its landing or else it'll be remembered only as another Kyousogiga, where the ending was actually so bad that it compromised the value of everything prior to it.
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>>150074496
The ending of Kaiba also isn't all that bad, just nowhere near as good and not very closely related to what came before.

And Kyousougiga had the problem that it desperately needed a good ending to make any sense at all, which isn't the case for Flip Flappers.
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>>150073605
Why did delinquent papika think this outfit was so hot?
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>>150074496
The only good in Kyousougiga TV was the ONAs. The value of the whole series was compromised by that to begin with.
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>>150074567
>which isn't the case for Flip Flappers.
It's exactly the case for Flip Flappers
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>>150074569
that's how delinquent girls dress
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>>150074569
The long skirt/face mask/kendo stick combo is a classic look for delinquent girls.
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>>150074611
Conservatively?
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>>150074334
Nobody fired any writers.
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>>150074569
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>>150074633
>>150074627
Really ugly to be honest.
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>>150074609
absolutely not, every episode of flip flappers is a self-contained story with a distinct meaning. the average kyousogiga episode was random bits of the ONA plus vague plot threads hinting at things that would be explained eventually really we promise.
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>>150074658
It's almost like that was the point.
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>>150073605
I want delinquent Cocona to embarrass herself by attempting to bully Papika

>>150074658
really shit taste to be honest
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>>150074633
Girls with swords are cool.
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>>150074633
This is cute and badass looking.
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>>150074630
Long skirts are a delinquent thing, yes. Look up Sukeban on Google images.
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>>150073605
I want Sukeban Cocona to bully me
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Episode 8 PV for those who haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_uwnitvuI4
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>>150074682

Kyousogiga had a lot of problems. I remember enjoying the series quite a bit when I watched it, mostly because its visually lavish and fun, but ultimately it just lacks enough depth to make it a classic.

It's pretty telling that the bonus episode where the VAs go to various buddhist temples and talk about the background the show draws from is more interesting than any particular episode.
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>>150074658
>not liking sukeban

you are a bad person, get out
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>>150074682
>vague plot threads hinting at things that would be explained eventually really we promise.
This is literally Flip Flappers
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Is the the best love story ever told (in a show that isn't primarily about love that is)?
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>>150074863
I don't like girls who bully.

No bully.
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>>150074919
Yeah, except the other 80% of Flip Flappers are easy to understand and solid.
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How would you describe Flip Flappers?
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>>150074949
Look at this nerd.
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>>150074831
>they are wearing swimsuits while piloting the mech
Was this really necessary?
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>>150073461
WHO IS SHE?
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>>150074965
with a pic
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>>150074991
Yes.
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>>150074853
Those weren't bonus episodes. Those were Toei is too cheap to animated an entire series of this show and has to fill their time slot with something episodes.
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>>150075018
Pretty good
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>>150074991
Yes.
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>>150074965
Like if Studio 4C made a tv series that crossed psychadelic episodic fantasia with mahou shoujo action and gave each episode the budget of a Kara no Kyoukai movie.
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>Papika can't swim
But she's a dog.
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>>150074991
It's like EVA, but in this show they wear actual swimsuits instead of "plugsuits".
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>>150074991
Plugsuits aren't real yo
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>>150074965
The Evangelion of yuri
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>>150074831
I know this is nitpicking but I really wish they didn't disable Youtube comments. I always enjoy seeing the mixture of foreigners and gaijins geeking out together.
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>>150074965
The greatest love story ever told.
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>>150075080
Not all dogs can swim.
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>>150074421
It's ending wasn't bad, the episodes leading up to it were bad. Shit was just too rushed.
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>>150074831
Anyone care to translate? Something about Pool, an Oji-san, and doing your best even though you're scared.
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>>150075079
I still love that gentle Cocona is Pure Blade, while genki Papika is Pure Barrier.
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>/a/ hates WIXOSS
>/a/ likes Flappers

Explain this.
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>>150075145
Yeah, I liked the last episode, but it was dampened by the penultimate episode being complete shit.
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>>150075165
because wixoss is terrible?
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>>150074965
The ultimate yuri show. It's impossible to do something better about the feelings between two girls.
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>>150075203
was the 5 minute expositionwalk in the last or the penultimate episode, i've been trying to forget kyousougiga's ending
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>>150075165
Contrarians. WIXOSS is a relatively popular merch bait anime, Floppers is a flop.
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>>150075260
The penultimate one.
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>>150074383
The movie was satisfying as fuck.
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>>150075203
That was one with the 2 minutes of walking and talking right? Yeah, that one was bad. Won't ever forgive Toei for fucking with that show.
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Flippityflap is Yuri Kuma and Rolling Girls done right. What others?
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>>150075318
Do you need to have seen the series to appreciate it?
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>>150075386
It's Space Dandy done right if you disliked Space Dandy's comedy like me.
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>>150075386
Precure done right.
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>>150075386
It's the Phantom World of our generation.
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>>150075445
>PreCure done right

What is Doki Doki?
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>>150075164
Cocona is ill-tempered and hotblooded, she's just too uptight to let that side of her show much.

Papika might be energetic, but she's gentile and wouldn't hurt a fly unless she intended to eat it. After to recognize danger to others in episode 2, she's been principally motivated by a desire to protect Cocona, so a shield makes sense.
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>>150075430
Yes, you should watch and feel the whole Okadafest.
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>>150075484
>Childhood friend gets NTRd
Checks out.
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>>150073461
She may be grandma, some anon pointed out it looks awfully similar to that old woman/ young woman optical illusion
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>>150075491
Downloading then.
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>>150075484
>posting the best scene in the whole franchise
It's unfair.
Still, every FliFla episode is like that. It's insane.
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>>150075079
Cool wings.
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>>150075491
>>150075573
The first season is actually pretty good, but the second season was a pretty big let down. The first season was good enough that it forced me to finish the second season.
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>>150075437
Did anybody actually like Space Dandy's comedy? The humour was as bad as Desert Punk.
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>>150075165
/a/ loved WIXOSS though. That's why we were so disappointed by its ending.
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>>150073734
I didn't realize people like episode 5 so much. I thought it was cheesy.
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>>150075628
considering that Space Dandy is high-lariously comedic about three quarters of the time and people really like that show, I would assume so.
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>>150073461
She just wants a nice boat ride.
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>>150075625
>The first season is pretty good
If that's good I can't imagine how bad the second season was.
I couldn't sit through even half of the first season, but then Okada is the bane of my anime enjoyment so that might be related.
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Question of the hour. Who will be the first to initiate the kissu? Will Papika decide to show her love in a bit less of an autistic way than normal or will Cocona get over her own self doubts and make the first move?
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>>150075741
Yayaka will steal the first kiss Dio Brando style.
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>>150075741
Cocona.
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>>150075741
If there's a kiss it will have to be Cocona that makes a move, because the show is all about her.
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>>150075741
Cocona.
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>>150075741
It will be Yayaka, she will mouth-rape Cocona in front of Papika
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>>150075741
Cocona. Cocona has the growth.
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>>150075741
The plot will go like this: CCN breaks up with PPK in ep 9. PPK will suffer without CCN's support. CCN sees that and feels very sad. CCN finally gets herself together, rescues PPK, and kissu.
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You're my Cocona
My only Cocona
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>>150075938
You make me flappy when skies are grey
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>>150075938
You make me happy.
When skies are gray.
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>>150075938
>>150075964
>>150075969
urusai
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>>150074965
>How would you describe Flip Flappers?

FLCL Season 2
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Who was another failure? I get the feeling there's something really dark about Papika
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>>150076043
>I get the feeling there's something really dark about Papika
Her nipples
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>>150076043
Cocona will still love Papika even if she's a murderer.
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>>150075964
>>150075969
You will never know, dear, how much I love you.
Please don't take my Cocona away.
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>>150074965
The show's atmosphere drips with the depressing normalcy of Cocona's life. She's a realistic shy high school/middle school girl who just wants to live her life in peace. UNFORTUNATELY, a random girl shows up named Papika, who is one of the most unrealistically cheerful and positive plot driving character ever. If you like that type of character then this is definitely a fun ride, if you would prefer something more realistic, again Madoka like, then this show falls short. Papika might as well be immortal, or at least an inhuman freak who believes she is immune to death. Papika and Cocona are two of the lucky few who get to go to bizarre and amazingly inventive worlds the likes of which no one has seen since the Witch Labyrinths from MM... Although the worlds are more thought out and unique than MM, they even more so lack a sense of purpose. The two girls go to these worlds, which may be quite deadly, for no reason beyond curiosity and a prize that neither seems to care about for the first two episodes. Once they learn why they should get the prizes, it becomes even more questionable why they would help out the organization who orders them around beyond the fact that the story must happen or there will be no show.
The art style of their shaded eyes reveal their lack of complexity and failures compared to MM. the character's emotions range from super excited to depressingly sad with nothing but boredom inbetween.
The story obviously is just going to string the audience along until the story becomes darker and darker where the leader of the organization reveals his wish that he wants to achieve and the girls must use the power of their love for each other to overcome whatever evil plan is created in one of the worlds the girls visit.
It is above the traditional, generic magical girl series, but only just barely and I pity anyone who has much higher hopes than a 6/10 for the show's run.
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>>150074308
It really annoys me that wednesdays exist this season.
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Coccona will initiate the kissu, vacas. I just hope we don't get a cheap mouth to mouth next ep though. And why is she blushing when talking to yayacuck?
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>>150076092
Not even in my top3.
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>>150074831
Who is the fuccman?
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>>150073734
What's so great about Episode 3?
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>>150076080
But is Papika even capable of love , what if Cocona becomes ''another failure''?
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>>150076123
something something drifters
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>>150076107
>vacas
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>>150076150
IMPACTFRAMES
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>>150076150
action/excitement/references/sexy lolis
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>>150076085
That was really nice, I hope she likes it
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>>150074473
They really do have to adress this.
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>>150076092
>something more realistic, again Madoka like
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>>150076203
SHE HATES IT
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>>150076227
Maybe those are artificial humans created for the sole purpose of entering the PI? Maybe that's why Papika doesn't feel bad
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>>150076092
This is pasta from MAL right?
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>>150076092
If you're the kind of audience with two neurons and can only feel from angst porn and explicit storytelling, yes Madoka is better for you.

FLFL's subtle storytelling requires intelligent visual analysis to get the most of it.
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>>150076300
* only comparisons to madoka
* completely missing the point
* already knowing how it's going to end
* muh realism

Yep, must be MAL. An early review too since there's no bitching about fanservice.
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>>150076360
This season really is the season of visual story telling.
This show and O;9 have so many subtle visual cues you even have to think about them to understand. That's quite rare to see.
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>>150076449
>O;9
>subtle

lol now you've done it
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>>150076360
But anon, if I don't get spoonfed the emotional weight of the show that means it's BAD

If I don't understand it means it's 2deep, not that I'm a dumbass, right?
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>>150075741
This time Cocona will guide Papika. Cocona should reward for everything Papika's done.
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>>150076300
>4 of 13 episodes seen
>Overall Rating: 3

why did you feel the need to copy that shit here?
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>>150076538
woops misquote >>150076092
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>>150076092
Damn it, I've been monitoring MAL for retarded reviews like these to post here for (You)s but you beat me to it.
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>>150076538
I am innocent.
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>>150076474
If no one had told me about the shadows I would've finished the show without noticing it.
That and some of these quick flashbacks that require full attention because they actually build up a lot of the plot/characters.
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>>150076287
Puppies are monsters., they kill, rape and destroy but you forgive them because of their cute face. Though she saved Yayaka once, so maybe she's capable of caring for people besides coconuts.
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>>150076590
>If no one had told me about the shadows I would've finished the show without noticing it.

nah that just means you haven't watched paranoia agent
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>>150076651
Oh, I watched it alright. That episode is excellent. It's just that I wasn't looking at their shadow at all before.
They were never the focus of the shot so it's really easy to get distracted. Needlessly to say, I just caught up to it recently, so I lost all the discussion that might have leaded to the conclusion that they are all kill.
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>Cocona asks Yayaka to practice kissing before doing it with Papika
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>>150076744
>Anon found dead, multiple anal fissures
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>>150076789
So he died happy?
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>>150073525

Is this the only FLFL MAD so far? I want more
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Kokomine Cocona, a woman without shame.
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>>150076967
>Kokomine Cocona
Someone really needs to do a "REJOICE" edit of some sort.
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>>150076958
Papika's tree house seens awfully comfy
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>>150076967
Thinking of Papika.
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>>150077114
the cookie situation repeats itself
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Artist is k_i39.
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>>150076967
whose ass is she looking at?
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>>150077184
Yayaka
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>>150076967
Honestly, I'd react the same if Yayaka was around me dressed like that.
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>>150077179
I like their art style. Eyes remind me a bit of range murata
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>>150077194
Reeee
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>>150076967
can we get a "cocona blushes at girls" compilation pic
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>>150076958
The next step is actual happy hug.
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>>150076967
>Jeeze Cocona you're such a fag now after you met Papika
>N-no I'm not!
>My face is up here
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>>150077204
It would be wrong if you had a spouse or girlfriend. You're supposed to do a circle with your eyes so it looks like you're doing eye exercises. Starring like that is just shameless.
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what kind of demographic is this shit even marketed towards
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>>150074965
Doctor Who with lesbians
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These are cute. Artist even made one for the fugboy.

https://twitter.com/shunozo/status/800713418839703552
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>>150077368
Me and just me.
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>>150077368
Yukino.
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>>150077368
Me, myself and I.
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>>150077368
Animators
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>>150077430
>those big, featureless eyes

I don't understand why she exists. Who even is her boyfriend?
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>>150077531
Salt
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>>150077531
me
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Wait until the night, Cocona!
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>>150077368
People with good taste
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>>150076958
I honestly feel like this is one of the best progressed relationships I've ever seen adn I'm loving ever second of it.
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>>150076520
so basically it's worst version of this
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>>150077580
People can't draw what they like?
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>>150077580
Yayaka is Cocona's childhood friend. How is them hanging out and sharing lunch together "crack?"
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>>150076958
You're the best.
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I love this
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>>150074831
>bird that turns out to be a monster
We /vividbutt/ now?
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>>150077655
>>150077675
you must be new here
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>>150076958
I miss angry Cocona a little bit
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>>150077692
something about its facial features seems familiar but I can't place it
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What are the chances we'll see the PI stonehenge door again? I have a feeling that the next time we see it it'll come out of nowhere and be creepy as fuck, given the danger that it holds.
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>>150077791
Man, who doesn't know Optimus Prime?
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>>150076967
She probably is thinking about Papika here. At least I hope so I'd bet on pic related happening moments before her blush and talk with Yayaka.
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>>150077846
We live in a free world where people are allowed to do what they want as long as they are not breaking any laws
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>>150077931
Now that she's realized she loves Papika "that way", this moment is going to be her seeing and realizing/remembering just how cute and wonderful Papika is.

Screencap this post
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>>150077991
Pro-tip: He's a known chronic shitposter. If you want this thread to be above a certain threshold in quality, you need to stop replying to him.
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>>150077885
nigga that thing looks nothing like Optimus

The eyes in particular remind me of the beast of darkness from Berserk but I don't think that's what the whole head reminds of.
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>>150077692
Literally the Eva of Magical Girls.
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>>150078084
The chin is an evangelion.
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>>150078132
Really? I thought it was from Gakuen Handsome
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>>150077791
birdo
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Thursday can't come soon enough.
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Adventure!
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>>150078139
>Just because you can do something does not mean you are right for doing it.

If I'm allowed to do it then that means I'm not wrong tough?
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>>150077846
>>150078139
Wow anon, what flipped your flaps this morning?
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>>150077618
This one isn't cute.
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>>150077931
>>150078025
It looks like she is leaning over the edge of the pool. Maybe Papika grabs her hand and pulls her in.
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>>150078254
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>>150073461
She likes boats
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>>150077791
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>>150076958
Their interactions actually have become less awkward and more natural.
Papika now is very thoughtful when it comes to Cocona and Cocona's feelings. As a result, Papika's not as wild and pushy as she was in the beginning. With Cocona around Papika transforms into a sweet and gentle girl.
I really like the characters developing.
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>>150078277
This is when they enter the new PI with the swimsuits.
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>>150078385
Actually you have bad consequences for failing tests in school
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>>150078319
I thought that protrusion was a nose but you may be right.
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Mods, please.
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>>150078025
Would love it if the bathing suit episode leads to Coconuts, now that she knows she likes Papika that way, dealing with the "Does she like me that way too? Shit should I be staring at her like this?"
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Nobody loves yuu.
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>>150078277
we EVA now
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>>150078025
Would be cute if she starts behaving a bit more flirty but coconuts might be too shy for that.
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>>150078530
Fuck you, Ya-
>It's Yuu and not you
It's ok.
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>need to watch ongoings
>end up rewatching FliFla
Every time. This season is ruined for me.
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>>150078506
If they seriously go this route and then deliver later on I'm ready to declare Flip Flappers as anime of the decade.
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>>150078506
Oh god, making it happen 3Hz.
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>>150079229
*make it happen
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>>150078506
>>150079091
>>150079229
The scariest thing is that they actually can deliver it.
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Getting your hopes up like this will only make the reality hurt even more when it doesn't deliver.

We've been through this so many times now. It never changes.
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>>150076175
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>>150079370
You have a point, anon. But it's so boring to live without dreams.
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>>150079326
After the confirmation that we're going for actual romantic love last episode I believe in 3Hz.
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>>150077368
Especially not for mediocre people.
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>>150079370
It usually goes that way yes. But this show has already surpassed the vast majority in that category, so I will have hope.

>>150078655
>Cocona awkwardly tries to gauge if Papika might have feelings for her back. Thus begins a comedy of failures as Cocona tries to flirt but is too socially awkward to do it.

>Eventually she shows visible frustration at her failure in front of Papika. Papika is unable to figure out whats wrong so Papika being Papika decides to kiss her and tell her she loves with a smile.
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>>150078506
>Papika hugs her like she usually does in her playful manner
>Cocona now gets hot and bothered by it
>Papika gets confused
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>>150079576
Oh god make it happen please.
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>>150079545
>>150079576
Please god.
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>>150079545
>>150079576
FUND IT NOW
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>>150079576
>She hurts herself in her confusion!
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>>150077368
Me.
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You're getting to involved, /a/. What if someone dies?
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>>150079957
I will fly to Japan and bomb something.
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>>150079957
心中
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>>150073734
Surprised to see episode 5 at the top, it's been my least favorite so far. Not bad necessarily, just not as good as the others.

Also hello I just got done getting caught up on this show and I love it so much why didn't I get on the flipflap train 2 months ago
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>>150080257
Your taste leveled up. What's the next step of your master plan?
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Seeing how Yuri on Ice got a massive boost in popularity, acclaim and pre-orders after the homo kiss, don't you think it would be a good idea to scrap the last few episodes and remade them with an actual lesbian ending? Because let's be real, this is nothing but yuribait, and very tame and generic at that.
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PAHPEEKA
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>>150080332
They aren't changing shit.
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>>150080366
I guess they're OK with FliFla selling 1k~ and having little to no merchandise coming up for the lack of popularity.
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>>150077368
I know right? I don't even think anyone likes this type of show, where you have to self-insert as an introverted middle school girl being in love with another girl, who takes her along in a silly bizarre adventure like everyday is a date or something. Who would seriously do that?
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>>150080425
The loss is on Infinity for funding and handling the anime's production. FLFL will only bring bigger projects and better recognition in the future for Studio 3Hz. It's a passion project that is almost definitely completed by now, and they aren't going to change things at this point.
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>>150080332
I thought YoI was massive right from the getgo because it was high-budget fujobait with buttservice.
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>>150080521
Why should I care about that? I know it's an Infinity production, never mentioned 3Hz nor care for them, mostly because the creative process and animation quality doesn't come from 3Hz in-house staff but freelancers, they shouldn't and won't get any recognition from this project.
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Would you rather have a Papika to take care of, or have a Cocona to take care of you?
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>>150080726
Honestly, one doesn't work without the other, so I'd have to say neither. I don't want to break them up.
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>>150080726
Who drew this? It's cute.
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>>150080889
https://twitter.com/bisexualrobot/status/800483801180704769
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>>150080937
Good stuff. Thanks.
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>>150080937
>yayaka with HUGE cock
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>>150081054
one Yayaka vs all the Papikas

who wins?
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>>150077368
The thinking white gentleman, such as myself
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>>150081173
One PPK already beat YYK like twice
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>>150081173
Yayaka beat up whatever was impersonating Papika and ripped the treasure from it's body. >>150078200
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>>150077791
Reminds me of a seahorse.
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>>150081173
Without PI magic or super science Papika would destroy her. It's a feral kid vs common schoolgirl with a giant forehead.
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Flip Flappers is the Fight Club of anime. Screencap this, fags.
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>>150080332
We just need Papiya to kiss Papito.
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>>150078530
I love her ass.
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>>150081559
there is no such thing as a grade schooler with an ass like this.
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>>150080937
>the fucking A TO pig
Futanon is a pretty cool guy.
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>>150081547
They said the same thing about Mayoiga and look how that turned out.
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My favourite thing about the character designs is the rosy circles on their cheeks.
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>>150081703
Remember how we had our survivor groups all picked out and everything?

I honestly think /a/ could have done a better job writing that train wreck than Okada did.
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>>150074175
You take it out? What was it in?
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Free kisses for everyone.
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>>150081939
Cocks go where?
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>>150081939
>Yayaka is fighting to keep Cocona safe from the KKK
>She made a deal back after episode 1 for them to release Cocona and she'd take Cocona's place finding the crystals
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This has got to be one of my favourite shots in anime in recent memory.
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Talking about episode 1, did we ever agree on

-what happened to Cocona after the KKK robots took her
-why her arm is sore in episode 2
-why her glasses are repaired
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>>150082036
This looks about perfect for one of those noose-edits.
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>>150082073
>what happened to Cocona after the KKK robots took her
No consensus.
>why her arm is sore in episode 2
No consensus. Best guess is KKK put in a tracking device. Yayaka felt it up in home ec room.
>why her glasses are repaired
No consensus but not the doing of time loop.
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>>150082073
Tracking chip in her arm is the commonly agreed upon theory. It's implied through the Yayaka scene in episode 7 that they're just following PPK and CCN around.
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>>150082073
We had a discussion about it yesterday and some of the highlights were

The glasses are an important clue to bridging episode 1 and 2. Any theory that explains the one will also have to account for the other.

Time travel/looping/timelines seems too cliched and farfetched to be what the director was going for, though it's technically not outside the realm of possibility.

And outside of that, we couldn't really come up with any concrete theories that might make the connection. Most likely, we simply don't have enough clues yet to reach a consensus.

As for her arm being sore, the popular theory is that KKK implanted a tracking device in her arm between episode's 1 and 2, and that Yayaka & co. have been using that to ensure they intercept Cocona and Papika as they hunt fragments. That's still just a best guess though, and a more complete theory will require figuring out what the hell happened between those episodes
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>>150082073
I think they were about to kill her but yoyoko suggested a tracking device. Cocona has two angels and a rabbit.
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>>150082227
I wonder what else yaya had to do to convince kkk to let her go.
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>>150073605
No one cared who Cocona was until she put on the mask.
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>>150073461
shes gonna die.
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>>150082227
>they were about to kill her
No. If they were to kill her they wouldn't have the trouble of chloroforming her. By the treatment KKK had with Papika and Cocona apparently KKK regarded Cocona as more important.

Indeed Cocona is someone very closely connected to PI mechanics, in a sense like the First Child of PI. There are several hints: Hidaka suggested Cocona attracts fragments. Papika has to have Cocona to enter PI. Cocona is related to Mimi, the source of all fragments. And Cocona herself said she started to have weird dreams of Mimi only recently, suggesting she is the one of the main drivers of PI mechanics and the plot overall. It's just she hasn't realized her nature.

KKK wouldn't kill her which means she should be valuable to KKK but cannot be controlled, so KKK has her being monitored?
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My theory is once they get the Amorphous, Cocona makes her wish that all the girls get released from the cards, and then they end up in the real world and it's happy ending.
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>>150082199

I'm starting to think more and more that the real world is a layer of PI and the events, objects (glasses,) and characters who inhabit it, CCN, PPK, and YYK included, are just reflections of what is actually happening/happened in real reality, which involves "Mimi" and some version of each of the main characters, with possible overlap. So many of the themes and motifs point toward a dream within a dream. Maybe they have all (or just CCN, our narrator,) been altered psychologically and even physiologically by events within different, deeper levels of PI and or shallower/more real planes of existence, as it's already been demonstrated is very possible, even likely, unpredictable, and dangerous.
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>>150082563
Papika will die, Cocona will use her wish to bring her back and kiss her.
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Wishes are a hoax.
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>>150082735
This
"Yeah bro this macguffin will totally grant wishes that's what it does and all it does don't worry about anything else you don't need to know the rest"

Wishes were the bunk answer given so they can defer the explanation of the shards until endgame.
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Yayaka beat up a kid on the way to school for his New 3DS since her older model couldn't play Pokemon Sun optimally.
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Papika chose Popplio and voted Trump.
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>>150082842
He's gonna make Pure Illusion kaihou again!
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>>150081939
Nyayaka
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>>150082594
It seems likely that the "real world" itself might be some level of Pure Illusion or unreality, it has a markedly dreamlike and phantasmagoric nature about it. I think one of the main themes will end up being the contrast between the static nature of external reality at its hardest and the internal world of perception that bends to the will, and how external reality can only be experienced through this internal perception and so itself becomes fluid and malleable to the subject. All the stuff about subject interrelation and Salt attempting to dissolve the friction that keeps illusion and reality from flowing freely between each other seems to support this. The "real world" of this show is probably itself a product of perception just as Pure Illusion is, and therefore can like Pure Illusion be changed by altering this perception, which is exactly what happened to Iro's personal situation, by a region of Pure Illusion deeply tied to her individual situation being affected. It seems that Pure Illusion is the intermediary through which "reality" can be altered by acting upon the deepest, most resonant layers of PI that connect most directly to the specific circumstances of subjects within the real world, and it is by attempting to generalize this influence that the main factions hope to change reality or its connection to perception and PI to their desires.
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>>150073605
Maybe her throat is sore.
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>>150073605
Modern anime needs more sukeban.
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So Cocona loves papika but in terms of hotness does she rank her above Sayuri and plant loli? Is she top 3?
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>>150083064
>>150082594

Whatever inception there might be, it must be grounded in the mainline of the plot to ensure any integrity of narrative and continuity. We had an entire episode to demonstrate the grave consequence of memory altering so that is not something to put in the plot at will. You can't go around and alter protagonists mind without destroying the plot.

By the reaction of Hidaka that was probably the first time he had seen it, but perhaps if we count the Mimi incident it might be the second time. If this logic stands this reality altering power should only get one more time and no more.
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>>150083291
it's kind of controversial for them, sort of the same reason they don't have people with tattoos in anime.
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>>150082624
Oh good I hope this is true
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Will you guys be mad if it ends with no kiss and/or explicit romance?
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>>150083481
tattoos are for degenerate
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>>150073605
needs a grass crest shield
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>>150083658
At this point it will be more because they've already shown Cocona has romantic feelings for Papika. It's not so much the typical yuribait scenario anymore so much as leaving that hanging would basically be shitty writing.
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>>150083658
No
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>>150083658
Slightly disappointed, but nowhere near enough to ruin the series for me if it pulls off a solid ending.
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>>150083658
No. All I want is for them to stay together and get a happy end. Whether it's obviously romantic or "just friends" doesn't matter.
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>>150083658
Well as an audience I definitely want the reward of romance plot.
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>>150083658
they already slept together on the island. that's what the maternity rocks symbolism meant. beautiful implied sex.
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>no yuri fanart of the g̵̴̴̨͕͉̮͉̮͉̰͈̬̮̏̔̅̉ͫ̂̌ͬͫͪͣͨ͞o̝̦͕̼̩̬̲̤̖͇̫͍̠̖̮ͭͨ̎ͦͦ̚͟͡͝k̴͖̻̠̩̞̟̼̬̩̊ͤ̉ͧ̎̑͑̏ͩ͛ͦͯ̊̔͝i̷̧̡̪̝͈̫̻̘̫ͮ̋̽ͦ̅̎̚ǵ̜̱̣̤̘̟̭͚̣̦̩̯̩̾͆̋͑ͮͣ̐͊͂̃ͣ̊̾̈́͗͆̀ẻ̶̷̋̽̊̉̽̋͗͆ͫ͋͗̈́̓ͣͤ͗̅́͏̡̜͓̻̳͔̳̜̮ͅn̷̷̵ͦ͛̆̌ͩ̉̚͏̼̪̜̮̦̼͎ỵ̶̡̛̬͖̗̬̹ͭ͛̋ͭ͌̾̄ͧ̔ͯ̈͜ơ̵͕̝̖̱̘͈̝͉̊̾͋͜ǘ̢́ͮ́͝҉̧͓̖͎̳̻͖̼͖̯̜̯͓͉ girls
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>>150077368
>implying it's marketed at all

If it was, it wouldn't be selling so badly.
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>>150078232
>The Marvelous Misadventures of FlipFlapjack
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>>150083658
I would be mad if it ends with het NTR.
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>>150084238
>they both get boyfriends in the last episode
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>>150084046
>Come with me, we'll go and see a place called Pure Illusion!
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>>150084238
>>150084275
I don't think 3Hz would survive the fallout if either of those happened.
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>>150084275
But they already have Bu-chan and Uexkull.
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>>150084238
>>150084275
How mad will you be if the last 10 minutes of the final episode is "normal life" where Cocona's boyfriend comes to her house to walk her to school and Papika is a normal student with a normal group of friends who occasionally eats lunch with Cocona and Yayaka ending with Cocona being walked home (gently) by her boyfriend?
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>>150084408
It would never happen but I'd probably never watch a currently airing anime ever again. Hell if Flip Flappers goes to shit in general I will never watch an anime weekly again.
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>>150083900
Step up, senpai.
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Final PI. Dante must die mode.
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>>150084533
>CCN: don't go!
>Yuri student: *frustrated*
>YYK: *not bothered*
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>>150084573
I really want a PI where they're married and have kids.
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>>150084368
>>150084408
What if their boyfriends are human versions of Bu-chan and Uexkull?
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>>150084629
would the human version of Bu-chan be ripped like the human version of Uexkull is?
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>>150084602
And the fragment is inside of their kid.
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>>150084687
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>>150084573
How did papika get cocona preggers?
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>>150084585
Marimite world was so comfy.
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>>150084776
KKK can create the amorphous children out of thin air. Surely Papika can use her shard power to do something.
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Sex hair.
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>>150084776
Friction.
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Just so you guys know, /a/'s mods are starting to crack down on general threads. I like FLFL threads (when they aren't too circlejerky), so try to make them less obvious. Only make new threads after the old one dies instead of chaining them. Try to put a discussion starter of some sorts in every OP to at least act like you're not making a general thread.
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>>150073605
Why does she wear the sword
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>>150074421
>>150074496
>>150074593
Kyousougiga is good though. The ending wasn't bad either, including the reception on /a/, so it shows you don't know shit. What """/a/""" didn't like was the expositionwalk in the penultimate but honestly there was nothing wrong with it and it's typical /a/ to latch onto one thing/element so they can shit on a show and dismiss its quality. If that didn't happen, people would complain it's too random and the plot doesn't make sense (which did they about the ONAs ALL.THE.TIME until suddenly! The TV series were created and the ONAs are now this mystical masterpiece.) And hey, kinda like what's happening to Flip Flappers, especially in the beginning.

Flip Flappers is my AOTY but Kyousougiga's two first episodes still blow out any anime that aired in recent years. And the entirety of it is just so charming and good, I preferred it over Uchouten Kazoku (which aired the same year) because of its ambitious writing.

Anyways I won't be surprised at all if /a/ completely turns on Flip Flappers because of one silly thing or because of their high expectations (read: headcanon) doesn't get fulfilled. Just like Kyousougiga. Just like Shingeki no Bahamut. Etcetera. I'm actually looking forward to it. Endings are the most divisive part of a story.
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>>150085051
Why do their school's hi-tops look so fucking good?
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>>150085051
This is a currently airing show. Concern troll somewhere else.
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>>150085112
We're just tired of being let down by shows that we fall in love with. Remember Zankyou no Terror?
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>>150085051
What's implicitly wrong about generals? I never really understood that.
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>>150085165
Take a look at the threads on /vg/ and you'll get a good idea.
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>>150085165
When they turn into chatrooms they're bad. Mostly because they start caring exclusively about the circlejerk to the point that they bury actual discussion. Go to a Jojo thread and try to discuss Jojo, see what happens.
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>>150085220
I guess that makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
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>>150085165
It's when they run out of content and fuel, they turn into massive circlejerks that barely talk about the original subject.

FliFla threads are still ok because the show is still airing.
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>>150085220
I understand the issue /vg/ has but I think that can be avoided without witchunting continuous threads for currently airing shows.
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>>150085158
Zankyou no Terror was bad from the first episode though
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>>150085158
Zankyou no Terror was never good. I mean, from the story outline, it did have promise but you could tell from the first episodes when nobody got hurt during the explosions that the writing would be a bit iffy, then Five happened and yeah. That ferris wheel scene is outstanding however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XBBnmvTo3U

I'm tired of amazing shows that /a/ loves, for its first half especially, to suddenly get turned on because of expectations viewers imposed on the show.
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>>150085295
>This video contains content from Funimation Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Fuck you Funi.
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>>150085280
I completely agree. I don't think continuous or even chained threads about a currently airing show are bad. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'm not the anon who was whining about this being a general, btw.

>>150085290
>>150085295
Zankyou no Terror only passed the point of redemption in episode 5. Before that point we all loved the animation and music and were hopeful based on the director and the story premise. Great OP too.

The ferris wheel scene actually annoyed me because I hated how they turned Twelve from interesting manipulative psychopath with ulterior motives into "cute bishie with an actual crush."
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>>150085112
ONAs had a solid fanbase here long before the TV show dunno what you are talking about the only reason most people watching it from ep1 watched at all was because they loved the ONAs. The TV show was just bad.
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>>150085664
The show was good, and it would've been good if not for the retarded plot (which retardation didn't become apparent before the second half of the show)
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>Yayaka defects from the KKK to Flip Flap after episode eight
>Her impedance levels with Cocona are lower than Papika's
>Salt kicks Papika off the main team and regulates her to backup
>This is what causes Papika/Cocona to fight in episode nine

How would you respond?
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>>150085664
They did have a "solid fanbase" indeed, threads that reached a total amount of 30 posts but hey, better than 0. The consensus then was, wow this is some weird shit and I don't get it all but it's cool! Then after the TV anime it was all, what a masterpiece!

Kyousougiga is a good show. Just because you don't understand the plot doesn't make it bad. Were you complaining about Cocona's assertiveness in episode 3 too while it was obvious she was being influenced by PI?
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>>150085051
How do you know that?
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>>150086015
With PapiSaya shitposting.
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>>150085112
AOTY would be Rakugo. No way FliFla is better than that show.
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>木曜日
>n. (Hira=もくようび) Thursday, fifth day of the week
>例文
>今日は木曜日ですか?
>Is today Thursday?
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>>150088146
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>>150088182
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>>150088213
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Can any Japanese bro decipher the meaning of Cocoa's surname Kokomine? Theirs always a special meaning to each character's name.
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>>150088457
Was her name ever written anywhere as Kanji or is the text on Flip Flap's screen the only time it was ever mentioned?
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>>150083744
Just for the stamina regen? Grass Crest isn't even 100%.
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>>150076520

Shit should be Jeskai wedge, son.
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>>150083064
I just want to say that I really, really like this post. It sums up some of my thoughts better than I could ever do. Also cool words.
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>>150083744
Needs full Havel's + DWGR
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>found my Cocona
Does that mean Papika had the same experience?
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>>150089095
She didn't actually say "my." CR just added that for flavor.
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>>150089128
Oh well.
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>>150089146
Nothing's stopping you from imagining that the space pipe's cargo hold was full of Coconas though. One for every day of the week.
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>>150089183
Hey, I'm already imagining that the 'real world' is just another layer of PI.
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>>150089183
>>150089095

Though that does bring up the question. Why didn't Cocona look for Papika at their usual place?
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>carry two (2) umbrellas
>still manage to get wet
Cocona's pretty useless.
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>>150089274
Well, if she's meeting with Papika I don't blame her
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>>150089183
>There were eight different Coconas too.
I'm afraid even a single Papika cannot handle so many Coconas. Her mind is full of lewd things, you know.
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>>150089299
Ohhhhhhhh snap!

You totally got that one nigga
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>>150086019
Who said anything about it being bad because of not understanding the plot? It was bad because it went from well animated mysterious ONAs with lots of room for interpretation to a TV show which attempted to shoehorn those ONAs into a larger unifying story and failed to do so and in the process destroyed a lot of the feeling that made the ONAs great and looked like shit in terms of animation the whole time it wasn't something copy pasted from an ONA. I ultimately lay the blame with Toei for it though they clearly didn't want to fund a full TV show, given they put out two live action episodes just to fill the time slot rather than animating new material, so the staff were forced to tell the story that way. Everything added by the TV show essentially was lesser material than the ONAs. Some parts were cute or interesting sometimes but the majority of the show itself just felt like a half assed attempt to repackage the ONA and tell a wider story that if done from the ground up with appropriate resources could have been brilliant. Ultimately it's telling that the director left immediately after. I alway assumed she was unhappy with the treatment what was essentially her passion project for 5 years or so got when it came to the TV show.
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>>150089232
there was never any other world than PI. The ending is Papika and Cocona learning to make their own portals and setting off on an unending adventure.

They still come back to visit Uexkull, Buu-chan, and to make fun of Yayaka, though.
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>>150089497
Don't mind it at all.
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>>150073605
I wish they would make an anime about cute female yankees. Maybe something kind of like Majisuka's first season.
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>>150089241
>Why didn't Cocona look for Papika at their usual place?
The Papikas were distracting with fun things. Including sex.
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>>150085165
It's kinda like when they remove your boob because of inevitable cancer. Nothing implicitly wrong about boobs, but when certain conditions are met you can tell for sure there's gonna be cancer.
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>>150089497
I think Yayaka will be both CCN and PPKs friend though. They wouldn't bully her. Also neither of them are mean enough to torment even someone who deserves it.

I don't think they wouldn't leave their beloved pets behind.

Also, I think it'd be cool if Flip Flap stays on as their navigators, now not looking for shards but just out of curiosity/being huge mahou shoujo nerds.
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>>150089540
Overall 3/10 disappointing ending. Needs more evangelion-style apocalypse with everyone dying.
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>>150082765
Note also that they showed the skull illusion when first discussing this.
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>>150084643
He'd probably be a glasses-wearing pretty-boy prodigy type.

Or he'd just be Hidaka.
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>>150089274
She's a clutz.
Look at that bandage on her knee during the PE class.
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Sharing an umbrella is a very romantic thing.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/相合傘
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>>150090074
>Papika wears flip-flops
Why didn't I notice this earlier.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
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>>150089464
>animated mysterious ONAs with lots of room for interpretation to a TV show
Mystery always gets backlash when it unveils itself though. See Kyousougiga, Shingeki no Bahamut, even Danganronpa. I doubt it's going to be different for Flip Flappers. Which is why I'd say mystery is the hardest genre to do right because when you hit big you've also got a wide variety of expectations to meet. The world building only took up one episode, which isn't a lot, and people liked the final episode anyways.

>and looked like shit in terms of animation the whole time it wasn't something copy pasted from an ONA.
But the best episodes were the first two, and they were anime-original. This argument needs to retire itself.
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>>150090074
Yeah, I would like to draw this on their blackboard before they go to school and enjoy how Cocona would be embarrassed util Papika pulls her out of their classroom.
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>>150090145
They are comfy and easy to wear!
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>>150090243
Mystery is harder but far from impossible. Not dedicating an episode to infodump to explain things just for the heck of it would be a great start, for example.
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Now that we are talking about Kyousougiga.
https://youtu.be/42mqkaFAjx4
Did any of the cool stuff from that PV ever happen in the anime?
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>>150080572
Why should you care how much it sells either then? Why care about anything?
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Good episode.
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>>150090772
Are you from the future? It's not airing yet.
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>>150085112
>The ending wasn't bad either, including the reception on /a/, so it shows you don't know shit.

If anything i shows that I have my own opinion and don't parrot what random shitters on /a/ say.
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>>150090811
Any Flip Flap episode is a good episode.
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>>150090243
You could add Madoka's entropy reveal to that list.
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>>150090873
Except last episode.
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>>150090874
The entropy reveal was out of nowhere but it didn't do anything to damage the show. It just showed that the whole thing was a McGuffin by inscrutable aliens that don't care about humans, and it never really mattered after it was revealed.
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Have you guys noticed that the last episode will air on December 29, just before the new year's eve? Do 3hz want to ruin our Christmas too?
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>>150090961
But last chrismas day is 27th
they can't ruin what's already over right?
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>>150090074
Not to mention the whole snuggling thing.
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>>150090990
It will be so bad that our collective trauma travels back in time and ruins our Christmas.
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>>150091027
It will be so bad we'll be mad for a whole year.
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>>150090243
Sorry if you think anything was better animated than the 2011 ONA which was put into the series as episode 0 then you are just wrong.

As for the rest of it I wouldn't argue that isn't the case that explaining mystery often causes backlash. It would have had a better chance of avoiding it if it was built from the ground up rather than shoehorning existing material which wasn't completely coherent to begin (2011/2012 ONAs had differences minor but noticed) with into a larger story.
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>>150090944
Sure the anime got over it and recovered well, but it was the sort of mystery reveal you are talking about that was definitely disappointing to a lot of anons who felt it was out of place. It still gets memed now as an object of redicule.
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>>150090280
>PACO
>PICO
>KANA
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>>150090961
>>150090990
Their spooky episode was just after halloween so I am expecting a romantic Christmas date in the final ep.
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>>150091078
Yeah the thing is that Madoka never really was about that mystery, so it could flub it and still be fine. Kyousougiga's mistake was that it made itself all about one central mystery, which killed it when it didn't deliver.
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>>150091097
>Their spooky episode was just after halloween so I am expecting their child from immaculate conception to be born in the final ep.
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>>150091112
Fair point.

Flip flappers seems to sit halfway between the two. It definitely has some mystery, but it is also doing a lot of other things and the staff have tried to dampen expectations with their "feel don't think" propaganda.
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>>150091112
I think Flip Flappers can avoid that too because of its episodic nature and the concentration on the cocona papika relationship. There are mysteries and they are important but there's a lot of value in the show even if it was nonsense. Kyousougiga on the other hand in large part was about the mystery even if it had other themes going on.
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>>150091260
Looking at this thread I would say that at this point, most people would be fine with a mediocre or slightly dumb explanation for the "what is pure illusion" question (which by the way is much easier to explain than anything in Kyousougiga) as long as the ending delivers on the Cocona/Papika relationship.
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Pure illusion is clearly some sort of noosphere.
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>>150091289
Even the non episodic stuff has been built upon and revealed bit by bit as well. There is a clear storyline and a clear sense of progression from episode to episode. That isn’t to say they can’t still do an infodump episode and ruin it, but so far the progression was well handled and not "hey guys, here’s 5 minutes of entropy explanation".

We’ve already been speculating about the real world being just another layer of PI, the show could easily drop more hints in one direction or another and have the reveal happen organically instead of one big drop.
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>>150091333
They've outright parodied infodumps when HIdaka made a grand speech and ended up saying nothing of value.
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>>150091084
A mexican
A fag
And moon runes

whats it mean?
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>>150091313
I wouldn't even mind if it was left a mystery to be honest. It's because shows like evangelion didn't explain everything you saw in an obvious way that they have stayed in the consciousness for so long and it really doesn't damage it as a show.
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>>150091350
I don’t think that was a particularly good scene, but at least nothing he said was in any way new to someone paying attention in the previous episode.
I guess it works as both a joke and insurance to not leave the braindead viewers behind.
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>>150091289
I only watched a few eps, but wasn't Kyousogiga also a perfect example of Yuribait with the kiss in the OVA that was never mentioned again?

If so, that's another addition to its list of crimes.
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>>150088979
she's two-handing anyways
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>>150091366
Mm, it really depends on the show. Eva got mileage about remaining mysterious because that's part of its central theme: Shinji can't grow up because he doesn't understand the world and think it's scary. That's much better served with leaving everything mysterious. Eva's universe is also very complicated, much more complicated than FF's.

I don't think Flip Flappers operates quite the same, they can afford to and even need to explain a bit more. But just a bit more.
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>>150091396
Braindead viewers would have completely failed to get anything from that speech. It's only possible to separate the gibberish from relevant information if you've been paying attention.

>yfw it all turns out to be relevant by the end.
I should probably watch it again.
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>>150091478
You say that, but I’ve seen a ton of those braindead viewers laud episode 7 for “finally explaining things”.
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>>150091422
The daughter kissed the mother in the ONA and iirc they removed the kiss in the TV series. I assume as they fleshed the idea out of them being family it didn't work anymore.
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>>150091490
I don't want to defend "braindead viewers" (which is a strawman anyway), but I think that's less about Hidaka's space pose speech and more about the ending of the episode.
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>>150091442
I think we need to know more about the motivations of the organisations and what could happen if they got their own ways so we know why they are doing what they are doing properly in a more concrete way but I don't think explaining the mechanics of pure illusion is nessecary.
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>>150091354
They walk into a bar.
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>>150091442
Also some explanation of what makes characters like papika and cocona, mimi and the twins special in relation to pure illusion.
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>>150091478
>I should probably watch it again.

Here's the text:
>Long story short...
>Pure Illusion is thought to be a kind of perception
>based on subject interrelationship: an idea world.
>It's not limited to humans alone. All kinds of existences fall under its radar.
>This is a mission that will greatly impact the world.
>We must always take the initiative and fully commit
>to driving the agenda!

The most important thing is that Puri Illusion is a reflection of the entirety of "existence". The rest is pure corporate marketing buzzwordism and you can't tell me that's not meant to be funny.
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>>150091627
I wonder if FlipFlap has shareholders, the value of whom can be increased.
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>>150085295
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XBBnmvTo3U
That was retarded.

It's nice that someone on staff knows what a basic bomb with detonators looks like but the steps they showed to disarm it made no sense. Why did he pull the dets before cutting the wires? They showed no reason why he had to perform both steps when either alone would have disarmed the bomb just fine.

They imply the MC is competent then show him being a retard with things like holding the detonators in his hand while cutting the wires, which is a great way to lose a hand. And stopping work to talk about feelings instead of coming up with a plan to actually get the job done with as little risk as possible in the time remaining.

And don't get me started on all the inherent misogyny. Holy shit I'm mad.
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>>150091954
Usually I'd laugh at taking things this seriously and say "lighten up fag, it's just an anime, take your trigger discipline or whatever to /k/".

The thing with ZnT was just that that show was SO proud of itself about having read SO many Wikipedia articles and never stopped namedropping as much technical minutiae about everything as it possibly could. That makes it really fucking stupid when they then go on and get the details wrong anyway.

I wasn't going to expect ZnT to get everything right. But it was so smug about how smart it is that it desperately begged for closer scrutiny, much to its detriment.
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>>150091350
Fuck, I didn't realize that. I got rused by this show.
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>>150091627
So snow world came from the nature
Rabbit world sexual feelings
Desert world sexual feelings
School sexual feelings
Senpai Senpai
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>>150091627
>The most important thing is that Puri Illusion is a reflection of the entirety of "existence".
Which is also something you had to have assumed on your own by then, just like him essentially recapping the last episode and spelling out that yes, reality was altered. (But he didn’t even say if it was the past or just memories)

It’s a joke, but also a recap.
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>>150085112
>not even between the best this season
>aoty
Please watch more anime, newfag.
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Flip Flappers' characters aren't unique? Do you agree to that? I honestly have never known a lesbian characterization with galge archetypes that ends up in an introspective juxtapositioning on top of the bed like it's pillow talks. At least not in anime. Maybe it's the stock characters, but obviously if we're talking about the overall character then we talk about the characterization too, right? I'm just a pleb, I don't know. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can inform me on this one.
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>>150092366
I would try to help you if I had any idea what you're trying to say.
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>>150092366
Dude what?
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>>150092366
If you want to really generalize Papika would be the genki misterious girl and Cocona the stoic harem protag, but you can use this type of generalization for anything , I think it's better to analyze WHY the characters act the way they do
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>>150092366
They aren't that deep, Cocona is a pretty average girl, Papika you could say is just another happy genki girl, her dog-like behavior nothing but a gimmick. Though we don't know much about her backstory. What makes them great is their interaction and their development.
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>>150092366
ESL please go
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>>150092313
I think it's pretty clever.

>Hidaka, finally fucking tell us what the fuck is going on please.
>Uuuuuuh... (things astute watchers have already figured out delivered in a comedic manner).
>So what you're saying is that you don't know either?

The smart part is that it tells us quite an important new thing, and that's that Hidaka (and possibly the rest of FlipFlap) are running this show by the seat of their pants too. All while delivering a bit of a recap for people who can't pay attention.
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>>150092366
Episode 7 just used dating sim tropes to drive its narrative, you can't say Cocona and Papika were defined by them.
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>>150092060
The worst crime in that scene was talking about feelings while someone's life is in danger. Which has nothing to do with the technical details, it's just a bad storytelling gimmick which is all too common in anime.

One thing I love about Flip Flappers is that they don't do this. There's a forgivable exception in Ep2 after Uexkull gets swallowed by the vacuum cleaner aside from which when it's time to take action or fight, they just get on with the job without stopping to talk about irrelevant crap. The 14 year old girls in FF show more age-appropriate maturity and competence then any of the supposed adults in that ZnT scene.

I mean, what idiot put Young Sarah Palin in charge of a military operation? (oh wait) Did the guy that was questioning her have no idea what was going on around him in preparation for this op? If so, then why was he even there.
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>>150091627
The last three lines also sounds like something the KKK would say.
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>>150092646
You mean something literally every corporate entity says nowadays
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>>150092494
It also tells us that Cocona is supposed to be about as attentive as an informed viewer, otherwise she wouldn't have remarked that Hidaka is faking it. That is not a given.
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>>150092366
Well, good characterization (for me) happens when a character is defined by their motives rather than their personality. Cocona fits this fairly well, she is the one caught up in a kind of choice she has to make. The other characters around her are fairly flat by comparison, they don't seem to ever change their minds about things or feel conflicted and we don't know anything about any of their motives. So yeah, I find the characterization in this how fairly weak. It's not necessarily a bad thing, you don't need a wide cast of characters with interesting angles, you can focus on a single one and make the rest of the characters environmental (which is what this show is doing).

And I'm not implying that the characters don't have motives or that they're unrealistic ones, just that they're completely concealed from view so we're forced to make assumptions about them.
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>>150073625
>Fapika
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>>150092688
>This is a mission that will greatly impact the world.
I've only ever seen futurists, a few tech companies, and Elon Musk say this. And Musk actually has a leg to stand on.

Whereas the cult are obviously aiming to make some big change.

It's interesting that neither faction is trying to protect the status quo, whereas doing that is Cocona's first instinct as we see from her reaction to Senpai's change. They might have set her up to come in conflict with both of the big players and eventually choose a middle road.
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>>150091954
> inherent misogyny
[shitposting intensifies]
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>>150092745
Well said, though I think you're giving a few of the characters less credit than they deserve. We don't know much about Yayaka's or Papika's motives, but they definitely have more going on than nothing at all.

Papika is practically defined by her lack of clear motive, her whole point is that she's acting intuitively. And she has quite a bit of character development, compare episode 1 Papika to episode 7 Papika and she's remarkably more focused.

Yayaka has neither clear motives (apart from being very focused on whatever it is, in contrast to Papika) nor a lot of character development, but she definitely has a conflict between her "job" and her friendship with Cocona, plus at least some amount of jealousy towards Papika.
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>>150092829
Maybe not "greatly impact," but's it's standard nowadays to go over how impactful your work is. I suppose my last job was at a large company with actual impact so my perspective is a little skewed.
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>>150092388
>>150092411
It's this post >>150090034
I was kind of agreeing with him on his criticism that there is still no plot reveal even after seven episodes. I also somewhat agreed that the characters are initially, at least upon first impression, cookie-cutter archetypes. But then it struck me, upon realizing that in previous threads someone argued the characters are actually deep and unique, and arguing so, by reasoning from what I mentioned before; about what happened in episode 7. That sounds like overrating the show, but these two people sounded like they're serious with their own contrasting opinions. As a result, I'm kind of confused. Like, I feel like I'm too dumb to notice Papika's subtle changes (like what people said in the threads), and so on.

Another person said Penguindrum had similar narrative in one of its episodes; episode 9 or something, and it executed the theme better than Flip Flappers. I totally forgot about that one. Was that the child factory episode?

I don't want to post there because the OP is terrible.
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>>150092865
>child factory
I mean child trash burning, or something like that.
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>>150092745
>I'm not implying that the characters don't have motives or that they're unrealistic ones, just that they're completely concealed from view so we're forced to make assumptions about them.
Glad you clarified that.
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>>150092859
I like Papika a lot, I just think she's the opposite of a complex or interesting character. She's the definition of a flat character, like one of the supporting cast in a Charles Dickens novel. She's refreshing and good for a laugh.

I don't see the "remarkably more focused" thing. She's always been someone who got shit done when things were serious. Retrieving the glasses in Episode 1 showed that. You watch that and you think "wow, this genki girl doesn't fuck around." I think Papika at the end of the story won't have changed much from the beginning.

As for Yayaka, the little bit of protectiveness of Cocona is definitely something but her role in the story - opposing them and working for KKK - doesn't have much to it. But we saw the beginnings of something, maybe, last episode when she was getting a little bit fed up with them. I think she'll defect eventually. It won't magically turn her into a complex character, but it'll be something.
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>>150092949
So what's the symbolism behind this pipe thing?
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>>150092865
See how that guy says that it's "just" about a girl going through puberty? I would say that that's a bit of an understatement because that's definitely a topic worth considering, and can say a lot about the human condition. Why would you call that "just"?

Well, because the majority of anime are obvious coming-of-age parables about teens getting superpowers or whatever. It may not be something worthless, but it's not something special either. Flip Flappers just seems to focus on that topic much more than usual (kin alike FLCL), which gives it a chance of actually being good at it for a change.
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>>150076169
>earthworm jim
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>>150092865
IIRC it was a "child broiler" or something. Episode nine was the one with Himari in the library.
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>>150092865
>Another person said Penguindrum had similar narrative in one of its episodes; episode 9 or something, and it executed the theme better than Flip Flappers.

>Ikuhara does the overall plot of Flip Flappers better in one episode of Penguindrum
>Flip Flappers does the overall plot of Yuri Kuma Arashi better in one episode

it's like pottery
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why are all magical girls gay?
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>Characters are simple and have no motives

Just another case of people not being observant and expecting exposition due to exposure to so much bad writing in anime where you are spoon fed the characters motivations in a five minute monologue repeatedly throughout a series. Not obvious is not the same as non existent.
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>>150093030
Upside-down uterus.
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>>150093030
She's like a lost puppy. Lost puppies tend to take shelter inside an abandoned pipe when it is raining. It's a common story in old postwar Japan, like in Doraemon or something. When big constructions were underway, the surplus pipes were just tossed around in an empty property.
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>>150093223
It's a phase
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>>150093241
I'm convinced anime fans deserve their shitty series like Re:Zero with how stupid they are.
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>>150093284
When do you grow out of being a magical girl?
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>>150093223
If the aren't they will lose their power, duh. So being gay is like eating both cakes and have all the fun without the downside.
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>>150093310
After your first dicking.
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>>150093344
turns out mai-otome was the most profound parable for this all along
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>>150093310
When you die.
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>>150093310
When you die of old age together with your wife.
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>>150093223
>why are all magical girls gay?
>all
>>150065673
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>>150093284
>>150093223
The phase transition of other-self concepts to matter required to reinforce magical girls bodies and materialise equipment requires a specific form of resonance which only lesbians possess.

Specifically, that resonance with an existence like ones self is a necessary quality that allows an MG to reach the other parts of herself, her power and equipment which exists in conceptual space, and initiate the phase transition of those concepts to reality.
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>>150093546
Go to bed, Hidaka.
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>>150093399
naah, she probably gay
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>>150093546
English please.
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>>150094327
Magical girls need to contact/envision another self in order to use their power. Lesbians are usually are the only girls who have the inclination/ability to do so.

It is a silly argument.
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>>150093969
Not really, no. She makes it clear she wants the D a bunch of times.
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>>150073461
Ripping off Aria.
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>>150082036
she looks so proud and happy this to show Cocona x3
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>>150094432
you right but, i've just remembered something is she a technically exorcist girl?
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>>150094745
Technically. But that's just a fancy title.
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>>150092859
Cocona is becoming Papika's main motive.
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>>150094429 such wisdom sir plz tell me more!
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>>150095639
Let me know if you want me to translate any more ridiculous technical speak into layman's terms.
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>>150095987
please do!
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