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Do you like Fate/stay night ? This work was a little too shonen

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Do you like Fate/stay night ?
This work was a little too shonen and juvenile for my taste. But when Fate Zero adaptation came out in 2011, I think Type-Moon really came into their own, maturely and deeply.
With his thought-provoking themes and mature setting, Fate Zero makes immediately clear that this production does not only match its predecessor but far surpasses it in every way imaginable.
He's been compared to Hideaki Anno, but I think Gen Urobuchi has a far more bitter, cynical and nihilistic sense of humor.

Their most accomplished show and undisputed masterpiece "Fate/Zero" brought a lot of new fans into the franchise.
A show with battles so catchy, most secondaries probably don't even try to comprehend the deep meaning of the story. But they should, because it's not just about the powerlevels.
It's also a complex and philosophical statement about the nature of mankind.
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Zero is indeed superior.
Fsn is adapted from an eroge after all. Can't really blame it to be shit.
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>>150032310
>no sword autist
>no Taiga
>not enough Ilya
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>>150032310
I think this is a bit too subtle for most of /a/. Shame you didn't get dubs Bateman.
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>>150034212
>deep and mature psychological themes and storyline
>only cares about waifus
regular /a/non
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>>150032310
awesome singles OP
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Huh, curiously enough, I just watched the first episode.
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>>150035247
>Fate
>deep and mature psychological themes and storyline
lol
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Did you know that Type/Moon's debut VN, called simply Tsukihime had 4 best girls in it? Did you know that, anon?
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>>150035350
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(You)
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I think both fate/zero and fate/stay night tell a great story. I have no favourite.
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Nice copypasta faggot.
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(You)
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>>150035405
that's a paradox
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>>150032310
>This shit thread is on page 1


Fatefags are the most cancerous and retarded fanbase on 4chan.
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>>150036532
>says anon while bumping the thread he hates so much
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>>150035405
>Hisui
>Ciel
>Sacchin
>Imouto

wew lad, you are right.
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You are now fighting in the Holy Grail War.

Who's your Servant /a/?
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>>150037744
The strongest
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>>150037744
I'd like to pick Jannu Alter, mr double dubs.
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>>150032310
Every time I see this copypasta I wonder how much time the original author spent arbitrarily choosing the most retarded possible line spacing.
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>>150037744
this madman is the one who hooked me on the fate series, fckin loved every aspect of his character.
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>>150038544
dude,
conquest and video games.
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>>150037546
Spot on lad. Good job.
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>>150037744
You're mom's hot ass
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>>150032310
Fate Zero is good. The rest is trash.
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>>150039591
Strange fake is pretty good too. check it out.
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>>150038544
>Reminder that the King of Jobbers got BTFO by two superior kings.
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>>150032310
Why does every cunt who comes from r/anime discuss anime like it's the fucking stock market, yeah zero is cool so is stay night, it's not deep at all, if you want philosophy go read it, fuck off and let me enjoy my historical figures with badass weapons fucking each other up goddamn
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>>150042227
Fate UBW is perfect for you if you want shonen battles
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>>150032310
Fate/Zero has Iskandar, Fate/stay night does not.
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>>150042760
Sorry I should have clarified, I've finished the visual novel and watched UBW and Zero. I'm also a huge nasuverse fan, but fate isn't "deep" and you shouldn't pretend it is
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>>150042850
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>>150032310
this nikka hasn't even into saya no uta
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I had a friend watch Fate/Zero and then immediately after watch ufotable's UBW. He was pretty pissed off that the tone of UBW was a complete 180 from Zero's.

I'm inclined to agree. But F/SN was some shitty eroge before it became anything else, so shittiness was already ingrained from the start.

I got him into watching the KnK movies now. So far so good.
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>>150032310
>Do you like Fate/stay night ?
>This work was a little too shonen and juvenile for my taste. But when Fate Zero adaptation came out in 2011, I think Type-Moon really came into their own, maturely and deeply.
>With his thought-provoking themes and mature setting, Fate Zero makes immediately clear that this production does not only match its predecessor but far surpasses it in every way imaginable.
>He's been compared to Hideaki Anno, but I think Gen Urobuchi has a far more bitter, cynical and nihilistic sense of humor.
>Their most accomplished show and undisputed masterpiece "Fate/Zero" brought a lot of new fans into the franchise.
>A show with battles so catchy, most secondaries probably don't even try to comprehend the deep meaning of the story. But they should, because it's not just about the powerlevels.
>It's also a complex and philosophical statement about the nature of mankind.
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>>150032310
Why did you include a cringy summary paragraph were you try to use as many big words as possible to tell a community which consistently shitposts Fate/Zero when it was created and what you think about it, as if this topic hasn't been beaten to death already, also you're wrong, a lot:

>Only the first and second routes are in any way shounen
>Fate/Zero wasn't created in 2011, the anime adaptation was, the story was written beforehand
>Type-Moon didn't write Fate/Zero,

"Their most accomplished show and undisputed masterpiece"
1. It's not urobuchi's most acomplished show, did you forget the cash cow that was Madoka?
2. Who the fuck are "their" it's one person

"most secondaries"
nigga you are a secondary, in every sense of the word

"It's also a complex and philosophical statement about the nature of mankind."
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

Also learn towrite, this is written like you did a grade 7 english assingment on your favourite jap cartoon and how deep it is.
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>>150035247
>sword autist
>waifu
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>>150043317
>He doesn't get the reference
/a/ is underage as expected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzN3qO-qc8U
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>>150043317
>Doesn't know a famous meme
nyoro~n
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Reminder that Nasu wanted to publish Zero before FSN but Butcher didn't let him.
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>>150044085
wat a fag
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>>150043317
>2. Who the fuck are "their" it's one person
Nasu? Unless you're a secondary you know, Nasu wanted to write Zero and indeed had it written as he wrote the draft before FSN (outside Fate route), but his health problems and because he wasn't confident with the LN format, he asked Butcher to do it for him. He asked him out to a movie to 'tempt' him first.
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Fate thread?
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>>150044440
thanks
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>>150044037
>>150043390
>>150044181
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>>150038050
>lost against a little girl
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>150044705
>saber
>little girl
She may look like a little girl, but that's because she stopped aging. She's still the King of Britain.
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>>150038050
>kills count:1 his own master
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>>150043059
My watchlist is Fate 2007, then Fate zero then Fate UBW.
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>>150038050
>>150044705
>>150044771

Seriously, why do people think he's so great? He gets his shit kicked in every time he fights, his abilities are unimpressive (those bullets never hit anything and can't even punch through a car, and there's no reason using junk to fight when he always has Arondight), he has zero chemistry or depth with his master, and he literally only appears 4 times in the entire story (harbor, cthulhu, stealing Iri, and garage duel).
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>>150043059
>>150044868
I know this is a shit thread, but read the VN you dorks. To this day it has not had any satisfactory adaptions. It's the foundation of the entire franchise so after that you can go anywhere
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>>150045048
He's more obscure favorite than great. He's one of the key characters in Arthurian history.
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>>150045110
I have read the VN first before watching the three anime adaptations.

However when it comes to recommending series to friends or family, they would hardly agree to read, so the anime adaptations would have to do for interest sharings.
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>>150037744
Best saber
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>>150045113
In Arthurian legend, sure, but here he has next to no character or lines and is mostly there to drive a really OoC Saber. I also really don't like how he's now the catalyst for Saber's regrets and that it comes from a fucking misunderstanding.

>>150045138
Well then go ahead and watch em all. For recs I honestly tell people to move to a different series if they don't want to read.
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>>150045290
I call it bad pacing or disappointing lack of character focus for the sake of a "big reveal" for his identity.
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I LOVE SABER!
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>>150045110
I am a fan of Fate series, but it is kinda annoying how ppl on these threads always try to shove the VN on others.
Have you guys ever considered the possibility that maybe some people just dont want to read it?
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>>150032310
>there are people in this thread who don't get the reference
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>>150045618
I've seen anons unironically using 'LOL' twice today. And responding to copypasta. And trying to start 'prove u r oldfag' threads using shit copied from knowyourmeme without even bothering to change the filenames.

This is what 4chan is since chinese-moot started pimping us.
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>>150045823
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>>150045179
>tfw you will never be as pretty as Sanguinius
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>>150045113
>OC DONUT STEEL
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>>150045048
>why is UNRIVALLED so great
WEW
E
W
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>>150037744
Giles de Rais was a very fun character.
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>>150038050
>>150038544
>>150046309
>C rank magic
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>>150044440
Why and who do this?! first the card art and now this!!
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>>150032310
I just liked that Zero stared adults who seemed to take things more seriously.
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>>150037744
1. summon Jesus to ask him to give me the grail.
2. the summon counts as his second coming.
3. accidentally triggering the judgement day.
4. ???????
5. profit
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>assassin's can sneak past other servants, and magical barriers, long enough to have a conversation with another master
>archers can snipe with pinpoint accuracy from miles away
>these are never taken advantage of in any meaningful way
Why?
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>>150037744
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>>150043317
What a faggot.
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>>150044771
>gilgamesh
>Deaths count:??
>killed by a little girl
>killed a little counterfeiting boy who's not even a Servant
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Fate/Zero is the story of Gilgamesh trying to talk a priest into some gay sex
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>>150037744
lancer
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>>150039591
>>150040620
Apocrypha is also pretty good. Deals with the psychology of being a hero.
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>>150037744
Probably Saber because I hate her.
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>>150037744
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I couldn't feel anything but a mild disgust and pity for Kiritsugu. I might be a bit of an asshole but that's how I feel about all people who've got emotional problems, but don't just solve them in a mundane way.
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>>150047092
I personally liked it better because it had a protagonist I didn't want to punch every 5 seconds, and it didn't star teenagers bumbling around as they try to figure out this 'war', if it can even be called that. If I wanted to see teenagers bumbling about I'd go back to school.

Zero felt like an actual war fought between powerful beings.
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>>150037744
Eventually he'll get his shit together and ill win the war in the end
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>>150045048
Because he could beat Gil 1v1.
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>>150037744
She's cute and strong for a caster. I don't give a fuck about losing the war anyway. I'd also pick Arturia but she just feels like hacks IMO.
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>>150036504
That scene fucked me up big time. After that I couldn't go through Kohaku's route for like half a year. And even when I did I liked Yandekiha more than Kohaku.
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Brynhildr
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>>150032310
I didn't like FSN but this is bait
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>>150032310

>blah blah blah I didnt read the source material (VN) blah blah blah

But honestly, they could have smoothed out some of the VN parts while transferring to a moving format like becoming a broken record hinting Archer was future Shirou.
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>>150050004
Kerry pls
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>>150037744
Definitely Broskandar. I'd choose Gilgamesh, but I'm like 99% sure he'd teamkill me at some point.
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>>150050108
Oh you mean like in hollow ataraxia?
Because that's not what happened at all.
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Why isn't diogenes a heroic spirit?
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>>150052019
Why would you want /b/ as your servant?
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>>150049786
kill count:
Zero: Rider, would have killed Saber, would have killed Berserker
Fate: Lancer
UBW: Berserker, Archer, would have killed Shirou
HF: hahaha
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>>150047153
6. Waste the wish stopping the Judgement Day
7. Learn nothing from the experience
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>>150032310
You know Urobuchi worked on it, right?
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>>150044868
Don't watch Fate 2007. It's bad and spoils the other routes
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>>150052602
You forgot Caster and Soichirou in stray night.
Also Shirou in the same route if you count the bad endings.
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>>150032310
Fuck the rest of the fate franchise. I consider the zero anime to be its own thing, and the rest is just irrelevant garbage.
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>>150037744
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>>150046183
>tfw you will never be as based as birb
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Fuck you. Fate/zero was pretty good but I hated the kind of people it attracted to the fate fanbase.
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>>150052829
It's not that bad honestly.

It only spoils half of UBW and a quarter of HF. When watching it chronological release, it makes Zero even better.
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>>150037744
Ultimate Assassin. Confuse and misdirect everyone for days
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>>150035247
>deep and mature psychological themes and storyline
>F/Z

My sides.
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>>150050109

Great fucking bait m8
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>>150053515
> He backstabs you because someone told him it would bring the Holy grail war to an end and save the earth
Every time.
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>>150054004
I wonder though, if Lancelot would grab Ea, would it be corrupted into his Ea or would it just be another blunt sword with him unable to use its magicks
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>>150049953
>tumblr

Fuck right off
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>>150053515
>>150054044
He has Unlimited Bait Works
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>>150037744
King of Kings as a ruler
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>>150054068
Ea is EX rank. Knight of Honor works on NP below B rank I think.
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>>150047092
>>150050068

Ironically, one of the defining traits of the Fifth War was really that half the participants actually didn't give a damn about Grail or the "wish" cover-up. They all had their reasons to act, but most of these had nothing to do with actually getting the Grail. Also, they in general all were better Masters than the Masters from the previous war, despite not being quite so ruthless in their methods. They may have been less prepared and less willing to just go full "battle royale" mode, so it might seem at first as if they're not treating it seriously, but they in general make better decisions based on their priorities and have less exploitable flaws. They're competent, it's just that they aren't as well-prepared and also Grail isn't the main priority anymore for most of them. Shirou wouldn't cross anybody for an easy win because of his ideals, Rin can't cross Shirou, arguably one of the easiest targets without her helping him, even when it would help her and doesn't want to kill anybody without reason, Ilya is really more concerned about Shirou and Kiritsugu than the Grail, Caster is the most ruthless one, but knows exactly what a Grail is and so doesn't care about actually killing Masters, both Assassins don't care about anything, Shinji is pathetic and Sakura only cares about her Senpai, Kotomine and Gil basically do everything for fun in most routes and aren't treating the war too seriously, Zouken only gets into action once the entire Wars is in shambles and Archer knows what Grail is for obvious reasons.
The win condition for the Fourth War was eliminate every other Master. The win condition for the Fifth War participants isn't so well-defined.
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>>150055150
What about the DoA masters, Bazett and Caster's first master?

The only ones who probably gave a damn about the Grail's power to grant wishes was Caster and Saber.
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>>150053773
You don't have to be an asshole, anon.
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>>150038479
Creator here, five hours for each
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>loli servants in F/GO
F/GO is ultimate form of Typemoon
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>>150032310
I know this is bait but im still gonna bite like the fag i am

F/Z is trash
I fucking wish i had saved that .jpg that summarized how fucking stupid every event/fights lead up is.
Not to mention the sheer retardation of all the characters in it

As for F/SN the series ended for me with the orignal VN.
I don't regard anything other then the VN and F/Z (because i have to) as canon.
I don't give two fucks about
>Muh Nasuvers
Because it has become abundantly clear to me (and hopefully everyone else with a brain) that type moon is just milking this shit out of the Fate name now

Not to mention the retarded shit that goes on in >>>/vg/
Grand Order is quite possibly Dragonball GZ levels of insult to people that actually like the original work.
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Got a couple of questions regarding the corruption of the grail and its importance in F/Z. Call me a filthy secondary all you want but these confuses me.
1. Is the grail unable to grant wishes you yourself don't know the means to regardless of if it is corrupted or not?
2. If Kiritsugu had accepted would Irisviel have been properly brought back, or would it still just be Angra Mainyu taking on her personality and looks?

If the answer to the first question is yes, then it really didn't matter if the grail was corrupted or not, as his wish would never be realized. Aside from the city burning down and him being cursed, but that was just salt in the wound really.
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>>150056604
It's can give you wishes, but it's limited as I remember. You need to choose "method" or something. Real Grail purpose is different.
Angra Mainyu has some meta abilities connected to Girl so he can bring him real Iri.
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>>150032310
Checked
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>>150055231
It was just a job for Bazett and she was primarily focused on getting the gae bolg. Gatorade was focused on a similar degree as Tokiomi and kayneth and he got BTFO very quickly
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>>150056430
Please look for it cause I'm interested in what it says. Zero's good on its own merits but brought the worst fanbase to TMshit.
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