Why battle school harem anime are so despised by anime fans

Because anime fans have shit taste.

By anime fans, I assume you mean MAL and reddit, because /a/ actually likes them.

Because they're for underage faggots who haven't seen more than 10 shows.

Because it's the most blatant "give money pls" crap a studio can put out

>have a bunch of big dumb fight scenes (bonus points if they're in some kind of fighting school)
>put in a bunch of sexy girls and have them all lust over a gary stu MC that is smart and powerful enough to be better than everyone else but bland enough to self-insert into
>introduce an interesting concept or two, but never do anything with them past occasionally saying they're there so you can pretend it's deeper than it is
>collect otaku bucks

Not to say they can't occasionally be entertaining or anything but Battle Harem is the retarded offspring of the worst aspects of Shonen and Harem anime and I can see why people often say they hate the genre as a whole.

Because its lazy and all the same.

What would I give for a battle school harem that is SoL oriented instead of focusing on the over-elaborate yet not very imaginative "plot" involving terrorists, family troubles, the big tournament, whatever.

I'd watch that, if only because it would be different.

>>149996125
Name a single example of a good battle scool harem anime. If you're struggling to think of any, then that should be all the answer you need.

>>149996596
So, Inou Battles?

>>149996916
Rosario+Vampire

>>149996489
>>149996596
MAL and reddit is over there

Because they are not even bad, they are mediocre.
Because they think that breaking the fourth wall allow you to do the cliches you pointed out.
Because it would be better if they were full harem or full battle, instead of doing a mix.

>>149996916
Mahouka

>>149997022
how would you know what they like/dislike unless you've been there faggot? Quit projecting your bullshit onto everyone else.

>>149996125
>cheap sell
>degrade women
>universally bland and/or hilariously overpowered MC
>little to no characterization on any fronts
>poor writing that goes nowhere out of any comfort zone
>standard tropey shit
>predictable plot
>enough plot armor to clothe the red army

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>>149997335
>>universally bland and/or hilariously overpowered MC

(sarcasm) We sure love our retardly dense and weak protaganists dont we anon. They are sooo much more relatable and fun to watch.(/sarcasm)

The characters aquire their power trough training shown offscreen. Beside most antoganist are either stronger or overpowered to match it.

>degrade women
Every harem anime ever you dimwit

>little to no characterization on any fronts
>poor writing that goes nowhere out of any comfort zone
>predictable plot

Almost every anime ever

Not liking strong MCs, not liking everything. Why watch anime at all anon? Go watch some western cartoon network and disney animations.

It's one of the few genres which is exclusively targeted at straight men

So normalfags, women and moefags hate it

>>149999284
Great argument my man. Now explain why "everyone does it lol" is a good thing.

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>>149999844

>everyone does it lol

Its not at all, be is asterisk war, rakudai kishi no cavalry, seikoku no dragonar, seirei ssukai no blade dance or any other harem battle academy show. They are all same shit. But we still watch them despite knowing they are exactly what>>149997335 said. But here is the thing, we love that shit, we crave it, japan eats it up like its made of gold and they love it. Despite their flaws they have a charm to them. Even tho its a overused genre and has minimum to no creativity we still like watching them because its all we get, thats all we gonna get unless someone creates a better genre for us to use as escapism. But like >>149997335 pointing out what we allready know and have dicussed a million times triggers me. We need a better argument against harem/academy/isekai shows other then overpowered MCs and poor plot. Because those two arguments can be applied to why 70% of all 2000+ animes are bad and hated.

>>149996125
i like them, they're fun

Entry level anime fans who hate fan service, which battle harem is full of.

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>>149996125
Because there is no point in making them now that pic related exists.

>>150001190
Mediocre series that went downhill and has one of the worst sequels ever.

>>149996916
Sekirei

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>>150000796
>color wars
Good times. I miss those threads.

>>150001173
Liking tits and violence is just as entry level as freaking out when you see tits and violence in your Filipino zoetropes.

>>149996489
If Japanese viewers were as obsessed with self-insertion as Westerners think they are, all-female shows like Love Live would not be nearly as popular and numerous.

A male character is not a vessel for self-insertion just because he has no outrageous or deep personality. There's not even any need to self-insert in the first place.

>>149996197
This

>>149997197
I can recognise you by the bs you constantly post

>>150003525
Love Live fanbase is like half female

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>>149996125
battle school harem is best genre

prove me wrong! PRO TIP dekinai yo!

>>150000796
>But we still watch them
Speak for yourself. I haven't watched a battle harem since like Sekirei or some shit.

I summon Stellafag

>>149996125
Because this type of show has no originality. Gakusen toshi Asterisk and Rakudai Kishi came out in the same season. The first episodes were the exact same.
>MC walks in on girl naked
>she challenges to duel
>she loses duel
>she's a fire wielder
>she's a princess

Setting was the exact same.
>school for kids who manifest weapon from soul
>fight in duels and tournaments

It doesn't get much more unoriginal than that.

>>149997093
>Mahouka
Not a harem.

>>149996596
>>149997048
>>149997335
I agree with these anons.

That said I watch them and enjoy them all the same. They're still shit though.

>>149999767

Exactly.

You know whats really funny. These guys that trash on harem or action anime all the time, but these are the same faggots that watch these boring SoLs with an all-female cast, and zero plot.

They'll watch the same derivative bullshit over and over again every fucking season, and say its good. Oh yeah, and not to mention these full on BL shows, and reverse harems that are almost never criticized to the extent that the harem genre is.

It must be feminism at it again, I guess. Men like this stuff, so all of the women and the nu-males have to shit on it.

This is not to say that I think harems or action shounen are great. I will judge everything equally based on the plot. But I find it hilarious that these guys that hate harems, but love SoLs have the gall to criticize. The shows they usually like bore me to tears constantly because they never bother to attempt at even a basic plot, because "that's not what the genre is about". It's about cute girls doing cute things!

Well shit man, maybe harems are all about tits and ass, you fucking hypocrite.

>>149996125
Because most adaptations of it are pretty lazy, and contrary as redditors like to believe, it's not a bad formula, but it requires good execution.

It's not that different from most battle shonen adaptations, since those tend to suck too from the same reasons.

>>150006108
These all-female shows are mostly watched and supported by men, and otaku have a long history of making works where the main characters are female.

>>150006574
Why do you think people who dislike harems also dislike battle shounen?

>>149996125
I don't hate them, I can completely understand why they are liked but at the same time every time I go to watch them I'm bored to tears, I would be fine if one was done right but both the fights and girls are so mediocre that I just get bored when i'm watching one.

>>150006574
>The shows they usually like bore me to tears constantly because they never bother to attempt at even a basic plot, because "that's not what the genre is about". It's about cute girls doing cute things!
Not everything needs to have a plot, but "cute girls doing cute things" is not what these shows are about.

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>>149996125
You guys can all me a faggot, and I know at least one person will, but I enjoyed Asterisk and liked Saya and Kirin.

>>150006644
Yeah when you compare it to the other popular idol franchise Idolm@ster the female/male ratio is way different

>>150006582
This. The formula's not bad, but it has to be done right and it usually isn't.

>>150006574
This. But looks like it's already fall of battle haremtrash. Look at this season
>Sol, sol, sol, /u/, /u/, BL, BL
>no haremtrash
BL is future of anime

>>150006574
The harem genre as a whole suffers from chronic unoriginality, not to mention the MC's are often bland.

I watch every harem that comes out every season, and I enjoy them. But you have to be blind to not see the flaws.

>>150006762
You are not a faggot anon. Saya and Kirin are cute

>>149996125
>implying I despise them
>implying /a/ or any anime community is one person
The point of harems is to get a harem end and most of them don't do that instead they become a love marathon between girls and there can be only one winner just because.

>>150006574
>implying harems aren't solely about the girls as well

And no before you even start, I like SoLs and harems you little fucboi.

>>150006848
You sound retarded considering the fujoshit flops from the previous seasons.

>>150006701

They hate battle shounen, they hate isekai, and they hate harems. The idea of a self-insert MC triggers them, and I'm not sure why.

God forbid, if the show has all of the above, its pretty much over.

I blame SAO mostly. It got way too popular for its own good, and ever since then, this whole genre has been shitted on.

I would say the only reason Re-Zero got popular with the normalfags is because despite being an isekai genre, Subaru was such a pathetic piece of shit main character that you could not possibly self-insert as him even if you wanted to.

>>150006722

I was highlighting the fact that they criticize the harem genre for having a weak cliche plot, fanservice, and bland MCs. Yet despite this, they continue on watching their SoL flavor of the month with zero plot and everyday life and say 10/10 masterpiece.

I'm sorry, I just hate these types of fans. This is the type of reddit and MAL scum that I find pretty laughable.

>>150006848

SoL and BL have always been the present and future, which is why I'm slowly picking up other hobbies at this point.

>>150006995

Yes they are bland, but it is no different than any other flavor of the month. Harems just get criticized much more harshly for no reason.

>>150007488
>I was highlighting the fact that they criticize the harem genre for having a weak cliche plot, fanservice, and bland MCs. Yet despite this, they continue on watching their SoL flavor of the month with zero plot and everyday life and say 10/10 masterpiece.
Are you sure they are the same people? Not that there's really a double involved anyway. Harem and "moe" shows aren't the same thing.

Flavor of the month doesn't actually mean anything by the way.

>>150007094
>there can be only one winner just because.
I think most people prefer it that way. I'm not against a true harem end, but I remember a while back there was an epidemic of harems with bland MC, and no ending whatsoever other than "lol lets just all stay friends". I don't want to go back to that, I need closure anon.

>>150007488
Haremshit deserves to be demonized.

Being cliche done to death garbage alongside having Infinite Stratos, Demon King Color Wars, and SAO as things deserve hatred

>>150007488
The problem with the self-insert MC is that they are so without personality and character.

I prefer my anime to have an interesting MC as opposed to a boring one.

>>150007921
They aren't self-insert MCs. You just think they are because you think in terms of self-insertion.

>>150007995
Well, forgetting about the self insertion part just focus on the last half of my post.
>I prefer my anime to have an interesting MC as opposed to a boring one.
Even though I like to insert myself into the strangest places that's all I mean.

>>150006301
Which is a shame.

Make the mc a vagrant looking for something/with an objective, just make him go around the world and make him stumble on the the rest and it would be instantly more palatable, even with those other negative trademarks.

Just the fact that these shitty series have to be in school and the whole world/plot revolves around tournament/school regulations forbids me from even trying them.

>>150000796
>DxD
>Battle School
Why are you associating high-class harems with such excrement, friend?

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>>149996125
Not in general, but many do consider battle harem genre bottom of the barrel works. I, for one, love battle harem, but I can understand why they hate it. The writing tend to be poor and full of fanservice pandering in order to compensate for bad plot and character development. On the bright side, battle harem tend to be fun, silly, and cool with interesting concepts.

>>149996125
It's the worst part of the shitiest genres in anime with none of the redeeming qualities of either.

I love harems. However battle harems, school ones specifically, are far worse than their other contemporaries in the genre.

Is there a battle harem next season?

>>150008884
Which is fine, I can respect a position like that. You've made peace with their inherent traits and that's cool.

I can make that leap when the series brings something interesting to the table if only just for me, otherwise I drop all of the series on first episode if nothing catchy is presented.

As such I've made my peace and can admit eating up moe garbage and all-female bait shows with liking original Color Wars with the MC not wanting any of it at first, Mahouka for it's ironic ability to make a robot dodge the harem, and 35th for it's ability to make it revolve around the "work" most of the time.

I could point all the flaws in those shows or my favorite kirara shows and it only rubs me the wrong way when people jerk off their "favorites" like it has no flaws and is the best thing ever.

>>150007832
>I need closure anon.
Is the harem finally agreeing to share not enough closure, anon? If you want that goo read standard romcoms.

>>150009174
There is one which is a battle harem similar to kuusen madoushi where MC is a teacher. The title has the keyword akashic records iirc.

>>149996125
>tfw there will never be a battle school anime where there's a balanced cast members
>tfw there will never be a battle school anime where everyone has a crush on everyone instead of everyone focusing on a single beta

>>150009174
Rewrite S2. Maybe Grandblue and KonoSuba S2 as well.

>>150009344
What makes you think the protagonist of a battle harem show must be a "beta"? Have you ever watched them?

>>150009231
Like I said I'm okay with a true harem end. A lot don't end that way though. Dense MC stays dense, and from episode 1 to episode 12 nothing changes in the relationship between characters.

I prefer a clear ending, whether it's a harem end, or an ending with just a single girl, as opposed to an end where nothing has changed from the beginning.

>>150009344
>balanced
Explain

>>150009344
>tfw there will never be a battle school anime where there's a balanced cast members
>tfw there will never be a battle school anime where everyone has a crush on everyone instead of everyone focusing on a single beta
Isn't that basically what Mahou Koukou is?

>>150009512
Everyone wants Tatsuya's dick

Did F/SN made Battle Harems popular just like SAO made Isekai popular?

>>150009578
No, IS popularized battle academy harems while FSN might have had to do with the increase in urban battle fantasy, harem or not.

>>150009463
Basically I want cast members to just stuck with what they have and use their head instead of asspull last minute power.

>>150009600
>IS
My bad. Forgot that existed.

>>150009578
Blame Harry Potter.

>>150009658
So you want no upgrades at all?

>>150009881
They can but they gotta earn it. And we get to seem them struggling for it

So how come harem authors just do this?
>make a story about a dude and his harem of girls
>all of them gets the same amount of screentime
>all of them actually have a chance of winning
>last volume/ last 10 chapter arrives
>the author does a /tg/ roll deciding which girl will win ONCE
>sticks with the result

>>150009573
That girl who used to be a terrorist ended up with that one guy. The megane will end up with spirit magic guy. Sword girl will end up with Leo.

That leaves Kaichou, Imouto, and classmate girl for Tatsuya. That's still borderline harem, but it's different from many other battle harems in that male supporting cast is halfway alright, and some of the females go for them.

>>150009995
So how come harem author don't just do this*

>>149996125
Think about what you just wrote.
If 'anime fans' hate them so, why is there at least 2 new ones every season?

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>>150009995
Pretty close until the the last two.
But even then, some girls had more favoritism

>>150010022
>If 'anime fans' hate them so, why is there at least 2 new ones every season?
Not anymore!

>>150010022
He's probably talking about the western side of the anime fandom. Youtube anime reviewers and casual anime fans tend to dislike them.

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>>150010022
That's Japan and they love battle harem. It's the most frequent genre that never stops popping up. Isekai currently is right behind it. Interesting to note, a lot of fantasy battle harem and isekai authors are chuunis.

>>150010373
Sports and magical girl anime, among others, have come out on a consistent basis since long before the battle harem genre even existed.

>MC is just a cool dude who goes around literally fucking bitches and being a badass

Why can't we have shows like this?

Basically why can't we have a non-h Rance.

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>>150006762
At least you don't like pink houki.
Claudia a best.

If you've seen one you've seen them all. Or at least 90% of them

>>150010440
Predating before the genres exploded doesn't mean it's the most frequent now, anon. There are endless stories being created for battle harem and isekai ever since it genre exploded in the hundreds in just a couple of years, and it's still expanding. The majority of them are unpublished WN or are obscure.

>>150010619
All the main girls are shit from that series.

>>150010619
Claudia is the worst Asterisk though. I feel like I owe you a (You) for forcing houki meme when it doesn't apply.

>>150010698
They're more frequent than battle harem and isekai shows. You're really overestimating their prevalence.

>>150010619
Julis > Saya > Kirin > Claudia

>>150010802
Fan > Sylvia > Violet > Vamp Sisters > Secretary-chan > The rest

>>150010753
I don't know how you can possibly think that. Sport genre has always been a less popular than most other genres. Mahou shoujo genre is popular, but I've never seen a popular mahou shoujo series like Nanoha or Madoka being responsible for a massive influx. Oreimo produced more of imouto genre influx that hundred in the hundreds after Oreimo became popular and that was after a year the was exposed world-wide. There was so many WN and LN titles that tried to copied it, to the point it was parodied in Japan. It's the same for battle harem and the recent isekai popularity.

>>150010802
>>150010953
Fan > Julis > Sylvia = Saya > Ernesta > Priscilla = Irene > Kirin > Claudia

>>149996125
If the girls are great but the battles aren't, the whole show suffers as a result, because it takes time away from the girls. Sometime's it's the other way around. The show needs to do both parts well, otherwise it'd be better off just being full harem or full battle.

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I'M STILL MAD

>>150011061
Didn't like any of the main girls.

>>150010972
>I don't know how you can possibly think that.
Because it's true. This season alone there's six or seven new sports anime and three magical girl anime.

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>>150011063
Rakudai won because it had based Stella.

>>150011089
>Liking Stella
0/10

>>150011089
>Suddenly Stella
I wonder who's behind this.

>>150011089
>Based
>When all she did was commentate from the side-lines
Where were you when a main girl got relegated to the side lines like Lisha?

>Rakudaifags so cancerous that their thread on AS got locked twice

>>150011089
Stella is shit, the only redeeming parts of the show were the OP and the sharkboy fight.

>>149996125
>anime fans
you mean normalfags

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>>150011188
He should have been the MC's partner. Chivalrous muh honor knight paired with a glory-seeking delinquent

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>>150009995
Because it's hard to give ALL of them a chance of winning right up until the end and still have the final victory be believable, victory in the harembowl is often a zero sum game and the winner often needs to be set up properly over a period of time unless you get lazy and just kill off all the other potential winners.

>>149996125
>>150011207
Nah, he means usual animefags on /a/
And that's easy, the reason is because most people here are out of their teens.

>>150011089
Just no. Ouka > Julis > Stella

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>tfw dead translations

>anime fans
the ones that hate battle harems are those who love to express how anime is dead and that they only watch 2 shows from the season, basically, anime haters

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>>150011310
>He doesn't know.
Translations have been back since a few months ago.

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>>150011310
Takeru looks so off in that picture.

>>150011310
I thought the anime was rather ok. I wouldn't mind a second season.

>>150009995
I wouldn't mind seeing more situations where a girl seems like the obvious winner until halfway through the series when a different girl takes her spot as main heroine. Kinda like what happened in Negima, except someone has to actually win.

>>150011471
The anime original pretty much made that impossible.

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But I love battle harems. Pic very much related.

>>149996125
They're like the fanfics that teens write where they put themselves in a series and have everything be like their fantasies. Except with slightly better production values.

If I wanted imaginary characters to revolve around my dick I'd just imagine it myself. I don't need to read some other guy's ego fantasy. From the outside it makes a really stupid story, and it's worse when the guy clearly has unresolved mental issues.

>>150011900

SAYA A BEST

>>149996125
It's fun when you're 10 or 14 watching these but they're all the same and there were so many Asterisk War clones that I forgot which show I was watching because that's how similar the plots were.

>>150012403
As is well known, late night anime is intended for 10 year olds.

>>149996125
It's because battle school harems are the inbred retarded ilk Infinite Stratos brought into equation years ago. Harems in general though are pretty fun especially when they're leaning more on the absurd gag comedy side.

>>150012475
As is well known, light novels are for 14 year olds.

>>150012870
Ok?

>>150010746
when does that meme ever apply except when your talking about Houki?

who ever came up with it needs to end themselves

>>150012918
Many of the shittiest battle harems are just light novel adaptations, for middleschoolers.

>>150011330
That or they have some taste and aren't into trash worse than SAO and School Days put together

>>150013740
You admit all Battle Harems are for stupid middle school kids eh?

That's why they are looked down upon and seen as filth.

>>150011084
Anime seasons aren't a good way to measure the scope of genres. Anime tend to adopt hyped up series or to promote sales of an existing popular source material. There's literally many Oreimo clones in the few hundreds in WN/LN/manga that you don't see except for ones that make it to the spotlight.

>>150013777
former

Pokemon S&M is a battle harem

Rakudai is not a harem.

>>149996125

Because 90% of them are complete trash?

I tend to stay away from battle harems unless I'm horny or take an autistic level of liking to a particular character.

>>150015752
It is. It's also terrible.