Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1743

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>>149926870
Good for you.

>>149926870
大丈夫

>You could've become fluent in Japanese in the time it took for a new thread to be made

Who /優男/ here?

>>149926929
紳士です

死ね　死ね

皆に殺したい。　死ね　死ね。

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I don't often ask for help when reading porn, but this one line is really confusing me. Anyone feel like helping me out? It's the 『ねぇ一回なんて』 part at the bottom of the page. https://exhentai.org/s/e81e53d69f/997822-296 I’m not sure what she’s saying, something about only doing it once? Not sure if it’s relating to the line in pic related.

>>149926959
>皆に殺したい。
どういう意味ですか

How many words do I need to know to understand say 95% of what's said in variety shows and shit?

私は君をずっと見ていた

私は・・ゲイ

>>149927015
post the image here because I can't be bothered logging in

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so I was reading in japanese as usual when I came across this panel right here

can anyone tell me what it means

また誰かが/v/をいじめているか...

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>>149927279

>>149927301
What volume/page?
Can't really make it out.

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>>149927301
Something about a nice boat. Have no idea what it could mean.

ねんまつは

てんてこが

まうよ

>>149927301
>H He Li Be
>水兵リーベ
>　　ナイスボート

>1919年
>　　ベルサイー条約

sorry, that's all I can make out without a better quality image

>>149927352
なんて is just another form of なんか
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2005/10/02/like/

>>149927534
Not really

なにか→なんか
なんという→なんて

>>149927534

I know what なんてmeans, I said that I don't understand the bubble as a whole. It's the 言わずもっとしません that's getting me. 言わず is negative. The only guess I have is "Hey, I said only once right?" But the "I do it with Taniguchi every morning so it's no problem." doesn't match up with that.

>>149927301
>あ～んイクイク　ベルサイユ条約
secret naughty gag

>>149927621
言わず ~ "without saying" not "didn't say."
So it's more like "Don't say just once, can't we do it more?"

Dekinai master thread:
>>>/v/358109473

>>149927740
Fuck off crossboarder.

>>149927719

Oh okay. I was thinking of it like 言わない. Maybe there are nuances to ず I'm not aware of. Thanks though, you helped out.

>>149927865

Oh wait, there's also the fact that 言わず isn't past tense. So I made a large error.

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうのじしんは

だれもケガしなくてよかったよ

>>149927922
so what are you even doing in japan, anyway?
teaching english? and where?

>>149927922
震度4でケガする人って

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>>149927922
Damn the Pokemons

>>149927922
日本自体はどうでもいい

エロゲ以外は構わない

>>149927740
ah i see youve found my thread

なんだ

ゲイではないか、君は

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>Mining alteast one word from muramasa every frame
Help!I bit off more than I can chew

>>149928261
*unzips dick*

Bite on this!

>>149927922
ニュージーランドの地震のほうがひどかったなー
まぁ俺は大丈夫だから別にいいけど

>>149928361
地震が起こってはいけない

「場所」

に近いから

みんなピリピリしたよ

Anyone know what the Japanese line actually was supposed to be that got translated to "So who's second hand?" This has been bugging me for years.

>>>358109473 (OP)
>Kanji is by and large the hardest thing about having to read Japanese. I learned hundreds over the 4 years I took a Japanese class, and still doing something like reading a doujin is still impossible.

ehehe

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>つく
>all those meanings
Jesus Christ

>>149928714
This kind of testimonies make me feel like a genius kid.

>>149928714
which post are you quoting?

>>149928877
>to take
>その際限のない意味の羅列
南無阿弥陀仏

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>>149928877
>手

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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

ちらっ

ちらっ

>>149928877
At least they're all more or less aligned with each other. The real villain of Japanese verbs is かける. Shit makes no fucking sense half of the time.

>>149929110
はいはい、あーんして
*unzips dick*

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>>149928877
>>149929124
beginner woes

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籠の残念

漢字テスト
次の漢字のよみがなをひらがなで書け。
1.流石
2.達人
3.代替
4.絆
6.細い
7.細かい

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.

>>149929265
1. Ryuuseki
2. Tatsunin
3. Daigae
4. Noidea
5. Shougakusei
6. Hosoi
7. Komakai

Mendoukusainoderomajimoiiyo.

>>149929265
6/7, didn't know 代替.

>>149929265
それ漢字テストというか

語彙テストだろ

ですげえ簡単

>>149929150
おにいちゃんはやい

>>149929265
ながれぼし
むてんろうし
べんち
ともだち
いけめん
ぶさめん

>>149929398

bait.jpg

>>149929265
WHERE IS NUMBER 5 YOU BITCH

>>149929587
Not really, I have never seen the first 4 words before, so I gave it a shot.

>>149929190
Please enlighten me.

たいせつにつかおう
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMDfTymS2YU

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>>149915270
Just so you know, many of these fonts have erraneous pre-JIS-2004 characters. Including all the 教科書体 fonts except for FC Kyoka (F5 something in the filename, I think). Because of that, when I made my own font test thing, I had a whole array of "how does this font handle X, typically" stuff on display.

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>Come across Maggie-sensei site a lot as I google for grammar explanations
>Fairly useful for picking up little bits and pieces
>read the About Me page
>In case you don’t know, I was recruited to be an Angel on March 24th, 2014

Sleep tight little Pupper. Thanks for everything.

>>149930679
is she dead?

>>149930580
This is too much for me to grasp.
In short, fonts without red or dots are complete?

I recognize that "口七" character from the list of 4 joyo kanji I couldn't render with a new font I've installed, so I figure this table of yours is pretty useful - I just have to study this more carefully (and preferably before the government alters something else...).

>>149930943
いもうとうさんあるばそんな必要はない

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>>149930679
rip. Glad someone else on /djt/ knows her. I personally think shes on the same level, if not better, than tae kim.

>>149931036
i reckon he could take her

>>149930679
>>149930862
>>149931036
Isn't Maggie the dogo? She's probably talking about it.

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>>149931146
you're right. literally the front page.

goddammit. /djt/ gave me the retard.

Im glad that more people are informed about her though. While were at it, i rec kotoba chan on the normphone. I use it instead of anki actually.

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rip dogo

>>149930973
tl;dr:
Before 2004, JIS had premature simplifications.

Then, in 2004, they undid them.

In 2010, they added some of the affected characters to the Joyo set. The official forms for these joyo kanji are the non-simplified ones.

Fonts from before 2004 will display the affected joyo incorrectly.

There's some secret place you're all finding Japanese TV, right? It's not like, out of the thousands of hours of programming each month, only a fraction makes it online, and then it only lasts a month or two before it's taken down and forgotten forever, right?

>>149931550
Well, I'm watching some shitty doramas on viki.com with nihongo subtitles, but you know Japanese are very respectful to copyright laws, right?

>>149931584
>Japanese are very respectful to copyright laws
lol

>>149931550
I imagine you'd find it on Japanese P2P, which is what the moonlanders use for some reason.

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I fucking suck grammar wise, please send help /djt/.

Anyone knows a site or book that has a few grammar exercises?

I mean I did read tae kim and I'm reading daily now, but I would still do some extra exercises to make it stick better.

>>149931604
Because uploaders don't get away with using anything else.

Can someone tell me if I overlooked something? Because this poem(?) sounds kinda weird. It's about a grill.

>ビスケットみたいに
>Like a biscuit

>甘いけど
>[She was] sweet, but

>ビスケットみたいに
>Like a biscuit

>砕けてしまう
>[She was] crushed

>この感情の名は-
>The name of this feeling is-

>>149931604
The last time someone said this shit, I wasted a bunch of time getting share and PD up and running, only to find literally nothing that wasn't on nyaa.

>>149931628
Watch raw anime. Read tweets. Read VNs and crappy manga.

I'm not joking.

>>149931628
If you want to explore the application of grammar try writing. There was some website that let you blogpost and have nips correct you in return for doing the same with their shitty English.

>>149931741
not the guy you're responding to but would love to know the website

>>149932105
http://lang-8.com/

>>149932120
tyvm

>>149931146
Yeah, sorry. I was referring to the dog in the first place.

>>149931657
>Read tweets

Don't do this. I'm warning you.

I nearly came when I saw this:
http://www.frathwiki.com/Urban_Basanawa#Example_sentences

That fucker perfectly captured the sort of process Japanese went through when they adapted Chinese and he created a dutch-english language written in Japanese script along similar principles.

>>149932941
Also I never realized before that キノコ literally means 木の子. I feel retarded now.

>>149931649
I think they're talking about the feeling, not the girl.

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How good does text hooking work for emulators like PPSSPP?
There are quite a few VNs on the PSP.

This one should work am I right? https://mx-futhark.github.io/hook-any-text/

How about this one? does it work as well? https://sourceforge.net/projects/capture2text/

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最近読んでいるエロゲーは？

>>149932941
Confusing as fuck, wish he had used a language I know to better feel it.
But I've read about creating "Chinese English" once in this pretty interesting article:
http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm

All in all I think trying to adapt kana, specifically, was a bad idea, because it is not very well adapted to Dutch phonology.

I'll give it a more thorough analysis when I have the time, since this guy seems to have done his homework. Thanks for the link.

>>149933318
>nukige
>kyonyuu
Bad taste AND you can't learn Japanese, wow!

>>149933468
巨乳なんて正直どうでもいいけど、どうやら実姉近親相姦モノのエロゲーが大抵抜きゲーだから、その辺は仕方ない

日本語が下手なのは相変わらずだからあんまり気にしない

>>149933279
ITHVNR is smart and knows how PPSSPP works internally. That's the only reason it works at all. Hook any text is for things that aren't understood internally by normal texthookers.

>>149934007
Couldn't get it to work with ITHVNR, did I do something wrong?

>>149934134
Might just not be finding a good hook for the game you're trying. Hooking emulators is relatively new shit, I used to, and still have some scripts in photoshop to rip the text from screen shots, and put it on a better contrasting background so I could use kanjitomo which was a real pain. So be grateful? I don't know, but it might be that you need a different hook, or it might be that it just doesn't work for the game you're trying.

>>149934134
Not necessarily. Game could just be hard to hook. Hook any text is a good backup plan tool.

>>149933318
出来ない。　(´･ω･`)

>>149933446
I'm not sure it's poorly adapted or we're just unfamiliar with Dutch phonology and can't recognize the phonemes easily. I thought kana English was completely fucked before I started to understand the logic. It doesn't help that I'm ESL so the pronunciation is still somewhat arcane to me.
Using かﾟ for x and り゜to differentiate ri from li was brilliant.

>http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
This is a pretty neat explanation too.

I wish there was a text hooker for older games that are easier to emulate, like ps1 and ps2 or even SNES.

>>149934550
Well, he doesn't seem to cover the kana in his text, is it borrowing from this kana English system you mentioned?

I see there's an ん with a dakuten for ng, so if there are modifications like that and re-appropriation of some kanas to better represent its phonetics, it could work.

Not entirely, though, English has thousands of possible syllables. That's why I feel borrowing kanas might limit it with an "Engrish" flavor. Dutch is probably complex too, and you'd have to limit your vocabulary to more simple words.

Unless he went the chinese way and there is no way to kana-fy some kanji'd words, as their sound is exclusive to the logogram. Then you could perhaps cover all the necessary core sounds and leave kanas only for auxiliary particles and whatnot.

>>149935082
>I wish there was a text hooker for older games that are easier to emulate, like ps1 and ps2 or even SNES.
>ps2
>easy to emulate
PS2 emulation is buggy as fuck, even more so for nip games no one has ever heard of since no one put effort into it to make them run.

>>149935241
Did you mean: PS2 high level graphics emulation on legacy graphics APIs (DX11 and older) is buggy as fuck

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What's the best j-j dictionary?

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>>149935241
So you had nothing useful to say? Ok.

Sadly even programs that identify kanji from images are useless with PSX games because of the 240p quality.

>>149936015
What's your problem faggot?

What is 等身大 exactly? "Life-sized" I don't really get. I see it used like 等身大の自己紹介

>>149936262
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/156137/meaning/m0u/%E7%AD%89%E8%BA%AB%E5%A4%A7/

誇張も虚飾もない、ありのままの姿。「―の人間ドラマ」「―のヒーロー像」

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>>149927378

>>149930580
Impressive image. I'll add a link to it in the fonts section of the Anki start-up guide.

>>149938295
Here are the characters in the array, if you want them:

祭通言
日心極
迄祇疼
永でり

Fontname 16px
　　　おえういあ　

How should I interpret the ものだ grammar?
I read the DOJG entry but I still can't wrap my mind around it.

Is the link in the OP correct? It looks like someone swapped it last thread.

>>149935082
Try searching for the text dump online. Lots of n64 and gamecube games have the text dumps for the jpn versions online.

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>open visual novel
>see this
>close

Translate

男の子だなんて嘘だろ(._.)
こんなにかわいいのに

>>149938716
Not sure why that OP changed it, but the up-to-date version is at: http://djtguide.neocities.org/

>>149938735
a boy (female)

>>149938917
Woops I got that backwards.
Its girl (male).

How is 生 read when used as a noun (not prefix or suffix) to mean birthplace? (e.g. 生は東京)

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>Weekend ank-

O-Oh, never mind

>>149938550
How do you mean? Don't overthink it

I gave up on this about a year ago right when I started being able to read simple manga and visual novels without problems
Now I wanna start again
kill me

>>149938550
I always saw もの as a more tangible, specific version of こと

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>>149939612
At least you're not where I'm at. I know around 3-4k words and can't form even a basic sentence.

Anki reliance is a serious problem.

>>149938735
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>149939612
I would care, but I've seen so many people fail or throw away their progress that I've been desenitized to it. You're not even human at this point, you're just just a statistic

>>149939612
Nobody cares, faggot. Now that you're not longer studying japanese, what place do you think you have in this thread? Fuck off.

>>149939890
calm down anon
take a pill maybe 2

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>>149939735
Fuck, I'm the same.

How do I get gud at writing Japanese?
I wanna blogfag on hellotalk as well!

>>149939735
俺後に繰り返せ
「僕はバカだから」

>>149938550
It's like のだ but much more assertive.

>>149938550
file that shit under emphasis lol

>>149939909
I'll take 5 pills and shove them up your lazy ass.

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Pretty mediocre retention today. Probably dragged down by the 20 new kanji writing cards I did yesterday.

>>149938731
That's why I stick with books - bigger font's aren't scary.

>>149939953
>のだ
>The explanation is that~; The reason is that~; The fact is that~; It is that~
>ものだ
>Because; how could~!; used to; should like to; should

How can I compare them when they seem like they're worlds apart?
The former has a certain meaning while the latter is all over the place.

>>149940146
>The former has a certain meaning
Not really. The pattern examples aren't very good. In fact I would say that のだ is actually more broad than ものだ, not the other way around.

>>149940045
Fuck off with your dick waving you retarded ankidrone.

>>149940146
>The fact is that~; It is that~
This is the basic meaning of both of them.

>>149940200
>In fact I would say that のだ is actually more broad than ものだ, not the other way around.

>のだ is actually more broad than ものだ

>Sentenceのだ is used when the speaker is explaining or asking for an explanation about information shared with the hearer.

>Because the speaker presents a situation before もの(だ) as if it were a tangible object, this structure tends to convey differing degrees of emotion. Key Sentences (A) through (F) represent emotive excuse, exclamation, nostalgic reminiscence, desire, indirect command and conviction, respectively.

?????

Please just help me understand.
This has been bothering me for a long while.

>>149940305
のだ is the simple version of the construction. ものだ is used when the speaker is trying to put on a certain kind of emphasis. This happens in fewer situations.

The explanations saying "tangible object" are awkward contortions around the grammatical differences between japanese and most western languges. They don't describe any of the nuances. They're a bad attempt at reforming the syntax without using linguistics terminology.

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>>149939735
>>149939918
Meh, I'm past 7k words and I'm in the same spot - but I've noticed I am actually making some progress just from hearing the sample sentences and animoo.

I feel the moment I grab Tae Kim and a few books this thing is going to progress really fast.

That's what happened to me in English when I knew a lot of scattered information from playing games, but actually read my school's textbook: I already knew everything contained there, I just didn't know the rules on how to glue stuff together.

There is a lot of hidden grammar in Anki too, when you learn terms like 見ず知らず, 実は and 正に there are already stems being used grammatically and, even though you learn them as an isolated word, you get used with the function that word has and it's easy to replace it by other words using the same particle/stem.

Of course I'm saying all that from my perspective of a very chill ankidrone in no rush to utilize the language - if you're suffering from all this dekinai, you might as well start to force yourself through some production exercise. I talk to myself a lot in Japanese, even though I lack the grammar to do it properly, just to keep my vocabulary mental navigation in check.

>>149940380
>The explanations saying "tangible object" are awkward contortions around the grammatical differences between japanese and most western languges
Why do you say that? I think that's a pretty good description, if a bit literal. Not the guy you're talking to by the way.

>>149939735
>I know around 3-4k words
That's really not that much. Starting composing sentences early isn't necessarily good. It will take a couple hundred hours of reading before you really acquire common grammar, and even still you will be far from native. So if you rush production it just means you'll be producing a lot of wrong japanese.

>>149940493
Being literal is why it's a bad explanation.

You don't describe 食べていた by saying "The speaker represents the action as a state of being that has already ended", just like you don't explain "have eaten" as "the speaker expresses past possession of a state in order to show that the state has already ended".

Auxiliaries don't have the semantics that their non-auxiliary forms have.

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>>149940380
I still don't get it.
Thanks for at least making an attempt in helping me.

>>149940418
I read half of Tae Kim already, I just need some practice.

But I don't have the balls to use 8lang or hellotalk yet, cause Tae Kim that fucking nigger demotivated me.

>"if you don't know how to say it already then you don't know how to say it"
>"don't even try you won't get it right most of the time"
Now that's some nice advice, thank you Kim.

>>149940728
Okay, here.
のだ is a general thing that's usually used like ['cause X] but pops up in other situations too.
ものだ is like のだ but it implies that the speaker thinks that whatever they're talking about is "not subjective", like "of course people would fall asleep in a boring lecture" or something.
ことだ is like のだ, but implies the opposite of ものだ.
のだ is rather simple which is why it's used so commonly as an explanation of what the speaker is doing.

>>149940840
>Now that's some nice advice, thank you Kim.
it's pretty correct though
hellotalk is a pretty big waste of time in terms of actual learning
just pay a tutor on italki to do basic conversation with you for an hour

>>149940661
I don't agree that those are comparable examples. Both have pretty direct equivalents and don't have to be further explained. There are none for ものだ that don't obscure the actual fundamental meaning.
>Auxiliaries don't have the semantics that their non-auxiliary forms have.
To a degree they certainly do.

>>149940990
Well, there is a spectrum of how much they retain their original meaning, but it's always very confusing no matter what you do. It might make sense to someone that studies linguistics or grammar to say "They're presenting the situation as a tangible object", because it's obvious to them that it's not supposed to be literal. But to a normal person it seems mindfucked. And it should. Speakers don't think anything like that at all. They glaze over it and, at best, have some of the connotations of the words used come out through the construction. That's it. There's no conscious or semantic "presentation" as given in the explanation at all.

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>>149940840
I forgot to mention something important - it wasn't until I was done with Core6k that I started to get this feeling of confidence. Somehow my vocabulary, even though it was "Core", didn't cover much around the 2~4k margin. But after Core6k it's become routine to figure out 80% of the words being used on a show. I consider learning the words 文法 and 語彙 landmarks for me (they are past 6k) because those had been words I wanted to know for a good while, on the rare occasions I tried producing at Lang8 and talked about my low Japanese skills.

Lang8, by the way, is pretty chill, you should try it. Start with a very formulaic presentation and you'll see it's no big deal being wrong and corrected. Human input is way smarter than you think (although it's always disappointed to know that really complex sentence you tried to stitch together is complete gibberish to a native).
I don't use it as often because I don't study grammar, but I've gone as far as to write an all-dialogue story full of autism and a jap dude understood most of it through context, only being confused about the gender of the MC because I used wrong pronouns.

>>149940915
Is italki an option for free users? I figure nips would be too afraid of the OHAYO ITADAKIMASU weebs and didn't even bother joining. Interpals is shit, gave up on it. If I was its founder, I'd probably have killed myself already out of creating such an unproductive social abomination.

>>149941077
Yea, I agree with that. I do think it's a good idea to approach ものだ and similar constructions like that initially, though, and to let it diffuse into an abstraction through exposure. Otherwise there's going to be a wierd disconnect between ものだ used literally and used in this sense, as an auxiliary. Like take, ていく. I don't look at it when I read and think "Oh, is this いく meaning "to go" or いく used as an auxilliary?". I just imagine a basic abstract meaning and let context dictate the rest. Or that's how it seems anyway.

We should make a place to upload our anki decks, I'm sure a lot of us have read some of the same stuff or plan to so it would save a lot of people a lot of time. I have some decks for ika musume and yotsubato myself. I just want a fucking ocarina of time anki deck

>>149941439
Defeats the entire point, dumb idea.

>>149941557
>Downloading a pre-made deck defeats the purpose of learning vocab
Please explain to me how this is the case so I don't think you're just an elitist who thinks that you have to do everything by yourself for it to count.

>>149941354
I think it's best to say "these are the elements in this construction" and then just lampshade the fact that it has a totally different meaning than if you tried to come up with what it means based solely on the parts. Like,

>(statement)ものだ
>from もの (thing) + だ (is).
>Emphasizes a situation as natural or unavoidable.
>Compare のだ
>Contrast ことだ
>Note そんなものだ, そうゆうものだ, <noun>なものだ, etc
>Examples follow.
>留学したいものだ。
>I would like to study abroad. [Want to study abroad ものだ]
>事故は避けられないものだ。
>Accidents happen. [Accidents cannot be avoided ものだ]

>>149941590
Not him (and a user of Core), but yeah, mined decks are probably more efficient. It's just not worth the hassle if you have readily-available ones.

You idea for creating decks on single works is a little clunky because a LOT of words will overlap.
It would be better to create a single master-deck and tag a word with every work it appears in, so people can filter but also not have to do repeated cards should they start to read another title.

No idea how one would go about organizing that, though.

>>149941590
Not him, but having used the deck of the yotsubato reading pack, I noticed that it's a waste of time cause I knew 90% of the words and it was faster looking up the fews I didn't while reading.

Also I personally hate anki and try to avoid using it too much.

>>149941265
Interpals? You mean "oh hey you're cute, lets chat in English?"

>>149941802
>>149941814
I get that, but in my opinion it seems less of a hassle to delete 500 words you already know from a deck rather than create a deck with 500 words in it. Maybe it's just me but I think you would still save time, of course if you know 90% of the words in the game anyway then you may as well just make your own.

>>149941888
There is no saving time. If you have the proper set up it doesn't take any time to make cards. You read, hover and click. The only people who ask for premade decks are Anki drones who don't read.

>>149929265
さすが
たつじん
だいがえ
じゅん
ほそい
こまかい

>>149942207
購読した

>>149929265
１　りゅうせき
２　たちびと
３　かか
４　しらねー
５　？？？
６　こまい
７　ほそかい
合格のか？

>>149929265
liushi
daren
daiti
ban
xi ?
xi ? ?

>>149942207
>... the following week the athlete was banned from ever competing again because of illegal drugs and she never came back online again
Can't say you didn't have that coming

>>149942098
How does one read, hover, click a video game? And no, those programs that are suppose to be able to recognize characters don't work 99% of the time. Computers cannot recognize objects like that yet.

I get what you're saying but your argument is heavily flawed.

>>149943021
Stop playing brainless video games then and stick to things until that can be hooked until you have more than N5 knowledge.

>>149943097
>Stop playing brainless video games then
are you daft

>>149943097
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

>>149943021
Hey how about you fuck off to /v/ and ask them for help?

>>149943218
Wow it's almost like playing Japanese video games isn't a legitimate strategy to learn Japanese or something.

>>149943402
Cause you are reading all the time instead of running around in dungeons in Zelda am I right?
Might as well play Japanese Tetris lmao.

>>149943402
I don't know what your equally braindead friends at /v/ told you but no, it's not possible. Try swallowing twice the dose of your usual ADHD pills and sit down to read a book instead.

>>149943515
>>149943581
Show me the daily japanese thread on /v/ and I'll go, otherwise I'm staying here like I have been. I don't really care for your nonsense because I don't actually believe either of you have the self-discipline to study Japanese for more than a few months before quitting.

i'm an english master because i played every final fantasy game

愛する人はどこにいるの？

>>149943649
Yeah but someone who plays videogames and asks others for the anki deck is very disciplined.

kek

>>149943681
時のオカリナにだから彼女を見てためにあのゲームをしたい。マロンは世界一だよね。

>>149943649
>Show me the daily japanese thread on /v/ and I'll go
Create one, it'll only improve that shit board.

>>149943855
I'd be interested. I want to learn Japanese through vidyas. When I say I like to play games on here you guys throw a tantrum.

>>149943906
Grow up.

How about you play some erotic games aka eroge aka visual novels aka VNs

>>149943906
I don't think learning via playing games is viable.
You either get kana soup or low res kanji you can't read and text hooking never works either.

Is it possible to learn Japanese through playing Super Smash Brothers?

Do I need to buy the Japanese version or are the Japanese voices enough?

>>149943839
>>149943855
>>149943956
お前に憎しみがあすぎる、日本語を習って出来ないよ。

>>149944094
>あすぎる
i think you mean ありすぎる you pathetic lowlife /v/ermin

>>149944156
>he didn't spot the other mistakes
Shouldn't you be reading a grammar guide or doing anki instead of shitposting here?

>>149944235
i stopped reading at that point
never post in my general again

It's no wonder why you guys have shown no progress in the last 700 threads, you have these shitters who spout their "/v/ sucks XD" memes all over the place.

>>149944318
I've made more progress than the people actually going to /v/

>>149944318
And then you have retards who come from /v/ and shit the threads up with their memes and "board culture".

>>149944343
Are you saying you are fluent then?

>>149944318
the people who have progressed in their study are the people who don't visit djt to shitpost every day

with some exceptions of course like me, i'm the best of both worlds

>>149944318
>implying
I just talk shit and laugh at you faggots after I'm done with my own shit.
The advice you get here is wrong or meme advice anyway.

>>149944318
Found the /v/tard.
>learning Japanese solely for video games
Can't get more pathetic than that.

>>149944343
You've made less progress than the people who don't waste time saying that one board is better than another, which has absolutely nothing to do with learning another language.

>>149944502
Point out when I said that, because it seems you lack reading comprehension. Sorry, you need reading comprehension to learn Japanese.

i wanted to ask a notional question but honestly the purpose of the question would just be to convince myself i'm actually going to do this

i'm not actually, i'm lazy and don't need to know japanese. like everything else, i'm vaguely interested in results but i have no interest in the work necessary to get them, and the effort-reward ratio is skewed too much.

your homework is to look disdainfully at this post... in japanese. :^)

>>149944575
nobody cares. fuck off

>>149944575
Just download SZS and read at least one chapter a week.
Bam. Fluent japanese faster than college students.

>>149944558
lol at this triggered vermin
there comes a time in your life where you have to grow up buddie

>>149944502
I don't know -- my reason might be more pathetic.
日本人とセックスしたい、私は魔法使いなのに

>>149944606
>nobody cares. fuck off
what part of "in japanese" did you miss.

>>149944652
the one where your post was written in english and you have no interest in learning japanese yet you come to a japanese learning thread to shitpost in english

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>be /djt/
>do anki and only anki, and only half-assed
>anyone that watches anime or plays games is a retard
>my grammar is spectacular due to my extensive knowledge of T-kimbery, the pink ranger
>actually tae-kim sucks you should just read the DoJG
>I can't actually into Japanese
>pic related is how I read all the Japanese in the thread and then respond back in English to bolster my feelings of superiority

So honestly I don't give a fuck about the autists who have a temper tantrum about video games. What are you all playing right now? I'm playing some yugioh game right now, I don't really like it but I don't hate it either and it's easy to read.

>>149944449
Yes, but I wouldn't have to be very good at all to be better than the average person in this thread who plays video games

>>149944707
Who are you quoting?

>>149944704
"the one where" isn't really an appropriate way to initiate that reply in english.

nonetheless if you wanted to make a point, you would've at least replied (continuing the trainwreck of shitposting) in japanese. especially given it would be impossible to actually generate an appropriate reply back to you, abruptly ending the conversation.

unless you too are here to shitpost in english tovarisch )))))

>anki is a meme

Serious question to people who don't use anki

How do you learn vocab and shiet?

>>149944776
おｋ

>>149944558
why are you throwing shit when your best effort looks like this >>149944094

this is just an observation but do you maybe think the reason people rag on your home board is the frequent narcissist 14 year old who comes out of it waving his massive ego
of which you are to put it lightly a prime specimen

>>149944795
they don't, that's their secret

>>149944343
just keep telling yourself that bud

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>>149944747
The best in the series.

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いい子だから仲良くやりなさい
ね？

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Can anyone tell me, and bring those kanjis here. Thanks.

>>149944795
How do ESLs learn English vocab without Anki?

>>149944747
WoW
Send help

>>149944816
First, I don't feel sorry for you about what I'm about to say.

You can't learn Japanese, and I'm being completely serious. You might know more than me right now, that's fine with me, you will not make much more progress. The reason is that you're afraid to make mistakes. You're such a disgusting elitist that you think that if someone makes a single mistake that others can see, they must be pathetic. Because of that, you will never attempt to type out anything in Japanese out of fear of messing something up. You don't understand that learning a language IS making mistakes. You will make mistakes, that is the reality of it. You will sound like a 5 year old trying to speak like an adult, that is the reality of it. You lack the maturity to accept this reality, I can tell simply because of the fact that you feel compelled to call a place I doubt you even go to shit. And finally, /v/ is not my homeboard, neither is /a/ or /vg/. In fact, /djt/ is pretty much the only place I lurk or post. I'm glad that we're speaking over the internet so I have the option to not think of you as an actual person, because if I were forced to realize you were a real person then I would probably cry for your pathetic existence, unable to just cooperate with people and have a nice time.

>>149944884
东京都属于“变质尻”的柏叶括

ez

>>149944841
Well it wouldn't take more than N3 level Japanese after all.

>>149944776
>"the one where" isn't really an appropriate way to initiate that reply in english.

"where" is an informal replacement for "in which"
and to be sure this is no formal discussion board

>>149944898
Over the course of 6 years, minimum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKOW46LaGo

>>149944990
"the part where" would've been more appropriate, but now i'm starting to feel guilty because this trainwreck has coasted for far longer than i expected it too.

>>149944972
see what did I tell you

>>149944993
Yes, and that time could be reduced if more people chose to use Anki. There's your answer.

>>149945045
nothing of value

>>149945056
Could it tho? Most people learn by immersion for the most part and would probably not have the motivation needed to grind anki

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>>149945022
これ何語？

>>149944990
>>149945042
これは英語スレではない。さっさと出て行け。

>>149944898
With another flashcard program or, god forbid, physical cards.

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>>149945042
yeah but isn't "one" obviously the substitute for "part" there

like "which apple did you eat"
"the red one"

does that look like bad usage

>>149945022
さっぱり何言ってるのかわからん

>>149945056
You can get to "fluent for a foreigner" level vocab pretty easily just by reading and tv. It's just that it's hard to truly break free of intermediate hell without anki.

お兄様のおちんちんはあたしの子宮をキスしてる！

>>149945240
>子宮
I'm more of a fan of 自宮 to be honest

>>149944979
thanks, but what is its name (the last 3 characters)

>>149945240
>>149945283
why are hentai artists so obsessed with pregnancy? i mean i get that it's a relatively common fetish, but even in "normal" eromanga it's always 子宮 this 孕む that

>>149945351
Probably because it's a common fetish that at the same time doesn't really alienate anybody. There's plenty of people who will just skip over a manga if the girl's tits are too small but not many will skip over it because she gets pregnant.

>>149945287
東京都所屬A級“變質尻”的
柏葉括

come on buddy you can draw this shit into google, the kanji aren't even hard to make out

Reminder that neither manga nor video games are reading and you're deluding yourself if you think so.

>>149945426
vns are video games, checkmate

>>149945426
is anime reading

>>149945408
I'm the opposite t b h, I always close the tab immediately whenever I see cowtits.

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>>149945426

Wrong. Manga may not teach you complicated grammar but it is great for cementing vocabulary and learning new words.

>>149945580
is that a boy

>>149945665

not sure tbqh, senpai

>>149945665
直接確認すれば

>>149945426
Can you stop already?

>>149945426
So then who's your favorite Author?

Mine is probably Ishi Shinji from his short story "肉屋オウム"

But I quite like Natsume Sousekis work for its dark setting, such as in "夢十夜"

>>149945792
sca-ji

>>149945754
無視でもいいですよね
実は何といったことが分かりません
俺はバカですから

>>149945792
希

>>149945351
They're trying to counteract Japan's population decline. This is mostly in vain, however, because the overlap between hentai readers and people who are able to get girls is pretty much nonexistent.

>>149945900
ok

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Are you ready for the JLPT?

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうははつかにちようび

I have no chance of enjoying a trip to Japan as a brown man so how can I motivate myself to learn Japanese

>>149946206
Why would your motivation be going to Japan? I have no interest of ever going there (unless someone pays the ticket for me).

>>149946206
you dont have to go to japan to watch anime and play eroge

>>149946206
hey look i posted it again

>>149946206
as a black japanese man i can tell you in japan its basically the same as being white dont worry

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>>149946206
Nigger just kill yourself.

>>149946236
>he is poor

>>149946206
Kill yourself and hope you are reborn as Japanese

>>149946428
最悪の将来

>>149946292
白人としてそれはちょっと悲しい

>>149946266
it worked this time around
>>149946236
>>149946241
true but I'd like to go or at least talk to people
>>149946292
thanks this actually does help

>>149946473
there are lots of black people in tokyo, if you stay there at least it should be somewhat normal. admittedly most of them are working shit jobs handing out fliers in shinjuku tho

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>>149945351
排卵日の実姉の子宮に直接精液を流し込むっていうシチュ、すっごく興奮するんだろう？

yeah if you just spend your vacation in roppongi youll fit in with all the nigerian riff raff

>>149946962
yea you ever consider hes maybe not a nigger?

>>149947061
its still funny to talk about.
maybe he'll end up like his brethren when he goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3se9KLjRDw

Context is teacher moving away after 1 month of teaching, saying he had a good experience and all, then :

>まあ　あまり長くなっても待ちきれないと思うので・・・
First part of the sentence means "well, even though that didn't last that long..." but then I'm not sure what to make of the きれない after 待ち.

Help please?

>>149947351
if you dont know what the second part means how can i trust your interpretation of the first part

>>149947351
切る　 (23) (after the -masu stem of a verb) (See 疲れきる) to finish; to complete; (P)

>>149947446
Jamal kill yourself.

>>149947474
im pretty sure this is a reasonable question here help us out kys kun

nvm
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E5%BE%85%E3%81%A1%E3%81%8D%E3%82%8C%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84

>>149947351

きれない

negative potential form of 著る. So he wouldn't be able to 'wear' the wait, better translated as 'bear'.

>>149947665
This is what DJT has become?

Why is everyone so angry here?

I think studying all this chingchong is making you this way.

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>>149947665

>>149947721
yeah theres people that actually troll

Is the word "bear" associated with bears in any way?

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>>149947741
Simply because people coming to places like /a/ are generally depressed and frustrated persons, thus lashing out their frustration whenever possible, always trying to prove they're "better than you".

I don't like more "normalfag" places out there for sure and like it better here anyway but gotta be honest here, if you want a peaceful environment you better go elsewhere. Other solution is to be the aggressor yourself and happily bringing others down rather than being the victim yourself. That or be the sarcastic neutral pawn laughing at all the shit going on in here.

>>149947901
just rise above the influence and set the example for the change you want to see and live it every day

>>149947901
>Other solution is to be the aggressor yourself and happily bringing others down rather than being the victim yourself.

But that's what I was doing...

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>>149947946
If I could do that, I wouldn't be stuck here.

>>149947946
You're throwing turds straight out of your trash can every 5 minutes or so, you're in no place to talk, Jamal. Of course you're very much aware of this, you just wanted my (You).

>>149948045
i prefer the term pulling weebs and ill talk to anyone who talks to me but it doesnt break my heart if no one does

>>149947741
I think it's some form of twisted competitive thoughts, they think that in order to be good at Japanese everyone else has to be bad; so nobody helps and everyone demeans, save a few righteous souls.

>>149947351
Am I retarded or is the first part saying 'even though that lasted a long time'
If it was negative wouldn't it be:
あまり長くなくても
Isn't the なっても a conjugation of なる?

>>149948198
さあどうでしょうかねぇ

>>149948099
Well you see, the teen years are a rough time for a lot of people. There's so much angst and mommy issues and whatnot.

>>149948598
Yeah just disregard my translation I wasn't thinking. Kinda just emulated OP's translation with what I saw in the original.
I was just wondering how OP got 'didn't last that long' from the original sentence.
But then I got confused because not being able to wait 'even' if something goes on too long seems contradictory.

>>149948736
yep its either a mistranslation from op or he typed in the wrong text? the way I see his translation makes sense if it was this - あんまり長くなかったけど待ちきれないと思うので

>>149948198
>>149948598
>>149948736
Great. I'm just a bystander trying to follow this conversation and now my mind is full of fuck.
I'm used to seeing あまり with negative verbs so the meaning as a whole becomes "not very"
I guess あまり can be used with positive verbs meaning very/too much/excess/etc?

Therefore あまり長くなっても待ちきれないと思う would be something like "if it goes on for very long, I don't think I'll be able to wait" like >>149948598 said. Right? That doesn't seem to make sense with the context that the original poster gave us.
>Context is teacher moving away after 1 month of teaching, saying he had a good experience and all, then :

>>149948736
>>149948971
OP here. Mistranslation from my part. The text is correct though.

>まあ　あまり長くなっても待ちきれないと思うので・・・
Then goes on saying,
>乾杯！
Since they were all holding their glasses waiting for him to finish his farewell speech (which was just one sentence long as far as I know).

Still sort of confused about the exact meaning to be fair.

>>149949136
Seems like he's saying he wants to keep it short for them, the speech

>>149949136
alright so then the subject of 待ちきれない is clearly the audience
case closed

So I got anki on my computer and phone but for some reason my phone anki isn't showing my decks that are on my computer (logged into the same account, synced them too).

>>149949235
>>149949238
Yeah, so,

あまり長く　なっても　待ちきれない
too long　if becomes　won't hold it

It just annoys me considering DOJG ddoesn't have any resembling example to that situation, considering here there is no "even / although" implied here, it's just a straight "if".
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E5%9F%BA%E6%9C%ACbasic.html#%E3%8A%A6%20%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82

>>149949638
No, there is. It's a bit difficult to explain, though.

>>149949638
>まあ　あまり長くなっても
Well, even if this becomes to lengthy,
>待ちきれないと思うので・・・
I don't think any of you can wait any longer, so...
>乾杯！
Let's drink up!

Put into more natural English:
>Well, I could probably go on for quite a while longer, but since it looks like all of you are out of patience already...
>Let's drink!

>>149949817
There's a weird disconnect between the first and last part of the sentence though, that's what's so confusing. "Even if this becomes too lengthy I don't think you can wait any longer"? Makes no sense as is.

>>149949934
because you think in English

>>149949934
If this becomes too long, I image you won't be able to wait (and you'll get up and leave or stop paying attention so I'll keep it short). Cheers.

>>149949967
No, I've thought about that sentence in Japanese since the original post and I can't make sense of it. ても seems like a totally inappropriate way to link the two clauses

>>149950008
What's with the "even"/も then? It's out of place. I'd get it if it was あまり長くなったら待ちきれない or something like that

>>149950014
bc youre thinking about it in the one safe way you know that came from the genki textbook

>>149950072
The point is that it doesn't matter whether it's long or not, they were already impatient to begin with.

>>149950097
I've studied for four years and spent thousands of hours reading VNs

>>149928714
>hundreds
>in 4 years
>reading a doujin is still impossilble
Literally how?

>>149949934
>>149950014
>>149950072
OP here, to be fair I'm kinda glad you're also bothered by it. I'm thankful for everyone's help and I do understand the meaning but I'm still bothered as to why it's ても here.

If that can help you, I'm reading sentence examples of あまり長くなっても over google to see if I can make it click.

This one seems to have a very similar context to the situation with the teacher I put earlier :

>「一言で答えるのは難しい質問です。かといって、あまり長くなっても印象は良くないし、話がまとまっていないと、上手く伝わりません。」
Here again, absolutely not trace of "even / although".

>>149950128
oh ok sorry for the rudeness

but maybe you could look at it like theres an imaginary blank there after the も that is automatically filled or something cause you know context or w/e before the second part

that way maybe it seems less abrupt or something im not sure what your issue is with the linkage

>>149950114
I guess but that's such a weird and unintuitive way to phrase it

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>>149950141

>>149950331
Yes but work on keeping all characters the same width.

>>149950314
I think you're still just misunderstanding it.

He's not saying "I don't think you can wait if I go on too long, so I won't," he's saying, "I don't think you can wait no matter how long I go on for, so I won't even bother."

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>>149950334
Sometimes I wonder why I even reply in /v/ threads, but the occasional unintentionally hilarious response make up for the mind-numbing stupidity of 12 year olds.

>>149950246
Japanese is a very contextual language. The teacher is just leaving out the fact that he is the one that could make it lengthy because everyone already knows what he's talking about.
In that example, it does say "even if the answer is lengthy, it won't leave a good enough impression"

>>149950423
I don't agree with this. In the same way this >>149950246 example isn't saying that the impression is bad no matter how long goes on for. This is more like two sentences being combined. I think I remember a discussion about のに that I think explains this as well. Let me see if I can find it.

>>149950423
Yes I get that but it still strikes me as a very strange sentence

>>149950432
I think I saw one I don't know flash by but I can't time my screenshot well enough to get an image of it.

>>149950524
Yea, this
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5028141.html
Kind of the same thing, I feel.

Anyone listen to good Japanese music? (aka not from anime)

I'm a big fan of Frederic myself, with Inidigo la End a close second.

>>149950606
frest beats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjYhL4pxqEk

Today I did Anki for 29 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 3 hours and 49 minutes.

>あまり長くなっても印象は良くないし

あまり is a negative polarity item, therefore it must be in the same clause as a negation.

あまり[長くなっても印象]は良くないし

Is not much of a lasting impression

>>149950606
相対性理論は最高だよ

>>149950246
I'm going to chime in here.
I don't see the difference in use of ～なっても here than in your other example.
I think one thing to consider is even though they're using なる which kind of signifies something "becoming" something without any input, there is indeed input because the speaker can choose how long their speech/answer will be.
So why don't you think about instead as
"Even if I made it quite long" or "Even if I wanted to go on for a while" or something along those lines. In both cases you get the negative contrast after it.

>>149950673
>あまり is a negative polarity item, therefore it must be in the same clause as a negation.

I don't believe that is true

>>149950717
Woah, didn't expect someone here to list my absolute favorite band. Mostly because of the female vocalist though.

>>149949934
も at a fundamental level just acts as an incremental particle, it adds ideas to each other like "too" or "also" and it's often translated as "even though" when it appears in ても, since that's a contradictory conjunction ("but," "however," etc.).

When it's hypothetical like in your example, often just sticking in the phrase "even though" in a literal translation is confusing. It doesn't actually mean anything in English, so it's not helpful.
Instead think of it as "in the case that..." or "if..." but keep in mind that it keeps its incremental function.
Compare to:
話してもいい
風邪になっても行く

In the example here: >>149949817
what ても specifically got translated too, I think, is this bit:
>I could probably go on for quite a while longer, but...

Compare that to the translation of something like たら. It's still a hypothetical conjunction, but no longer contradictory. You would lose the "but."

>>149950673
You're wrong.

>>149950760
There are other places that negative polarity items can show up, but there's a negative right there. It would be super awkward if あまり weren't in the same clause as ない.

How about this:
>It's not much of an impression that even starts to become long / be lasting

If the writer of the given quote has academic literacy, it's a valid thing. At least in western languages you run into authors struggling to write the "it's not something that's even beginning to X" kind of sentiment in a compact way quite frequently.

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>>149950848
so what's the translation, i'd like to know
since you know what's wrong you must know what's right

more beats to beat off 2 buddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWphyVQhWTI

>>149950779
Her vocals on 地獄先生 make me melt.