I don't get it, why do people keep comparing this hack to

>>149743876
Gunbuster.
Watch more anime and you'll see Gunbuster everywhere.

>>149743876
Gunbuster you retard

>>149744091
>>149744313
>Gunbuster was good

Nice meme. How many mecha anime have you ever actually watched?

>>149743876
because there's a clear difference in anime before Eva and after Eva.
he created one of the industry defining series

>>149744313
>>149744091
>Gunbuster
Highly overrated to be honest

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>>149743876

Another thread by someone who didn't understand Eva.

>>149744573
I didn't either.
explain it to me

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Because Eva is the best anime series of all time you literal retard
>inb4 Eva a shit meme

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KareKano is one of the most faithful manga adaptations I have ever seen, even right down to recreating panel flow.

I know its minor, but if you liked the intro sequence for Space Battleship Yamato 2199 then you are a fan of Anno.

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>>149743876
>I'll just inb4 the thing that tears my whole argument apart
>Yeah, this'll work.

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>>149744595
Everyone is mentally ill, everyone seeks for purpose, hedgehog's dilemma, a generation of people abandoned by their parents, lovers who can't express their love because they are afraid of being hurt, people need love and even if existence means constantly being hurt it's still worth it to live because of emotions you feel when you interact with others etc.

>>149744611
>KareKano is one of the most faithful manga adaptations I have ever seen,
That's why the mangaka literally got him fired from the project right? Because of how "faithful" it was

The beginning of karekano was great, all the changes Anno made were great, the original manga is shit.

>>149744602
>>149744573
>eva is so deep man I swear
Evangelion suffered from terrible storytelling rather than being """deep""". That's the only fucking reason why they made EoE, because the story was told in a bad way during the series itself.

Eva is literally the only thing you can credit Anno for anyways. Miyazaki and Kon, hell even Tomino's direction and animation even inspired other directors in film and copied their style. Anno literally only pandered to otakus that's why Eva was highly raved.

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>>149744726
>Anno literally only pandered to otakus

Eva alone is better than the works of Kon and Miyazaki put together.

Man, who doesn't know Optimus Prime?

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>>149744726
>Anno literally only pandered to otakus
Holy shit you can't be this retarded can you?
Looks like you're one of those faggots who can't accept EoTV, you are the worst I swear man kys

>>149744828
>>149744752
It's true.
Let's be honest here, anons the only thing Anno was really good at was pandering to the otaku market. He knew EXACTLY who his demographic was when he made Evangelion, you can read it in his interviews, and that's because he himself was otaku scum.

>>149744898
>you can read it in his interviews
I've watched every documentary about Anno, and read every interview that has been translated. You literally could not be further from the truth.

>>149744337
The best mecha are made by Gainax. The best parts about Tezuka, Go Nagai, Kanada and Tomino are that they inspired them.

>>149744760
Pretty much this and Kon and Miyazaki have done some amazing shit.

>>149744337
>>149744517
It's super influential, which is what those anons said. Faggot.

>>149744091
>>149744313
I enjoyed Gunbuster, but it was obviously good because Anno didn't write the original story.

>>149743876
NGE was an important contribution, regardless of whether or not it was actually good. It definitely changed the course of anime.

>>149744898
Let's be honest here, you're probably a retard with no clue so you're entitled to your retard opinion, but don't try to pretend it's some truth.

>>149743876
If you don't think Evangelion is incredibly influential you're a blithering idiot.
But you are right on that his overall track record isn't nearly as impressive.

>>149743876
Because Miyazaki is an elitist piece of shit hack and Anno is a cool dude who does ultraman poses.

>>149743876
Miyazaki and Kon were never as personal. Everyone can complain about the world like Miyazaki, Kon was somewhat closed but not nearly as strong as Anno. The guy really poured everything others would keep hidden inside into his work.

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>>149745066
This
NGE is literally his depression journal
And his own therapist
Fuck otakus

Dragon Ball Z is more influential than Evangelion. Evangelion even took some things from DBZ.

>>149744950
How the fuck was Gunbuster influential you dumbass? It started out as a parody of another more popular at the time tennis anime. Do you not know what a Super Robot is?

>>149743876
You really don't know what you're talking about.

Anno is actually a pretty damn good director. Maybe Miyazaki was a better director than him, maybe Kon was too. So what? Just because he wasn't in the top two, doesn't mean he must therefore be shit. He's no hack. You might not like his style, but he's definitely no hack.

His works are influential. Everyone thinks Evangelion first and foremost, but his other stuff, Gunbuster, Nadia, Kare Kano, they've all made their mark too. His studio, Gainax, was for a long time well ahead of most others in terms of animation technique.

And not just anime, either; he made a bloody good Godzilla movie.

>>149743876
Evangelion's influence over the industry is twice as much as all Kon's films combined.

>>149745157
No shit, but to pretend Eva wasn't influential is absolutely retarded.

>>149745157
Is that supposed to be a controversial statement? That's pretty obvious. DB is genuinely one of the most influential works in modern times, and not just in japan.

>>149745172
Influence isn't about being the first to do something, it's about being the first to popularize it.

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>Anno is a genius! Evangelion is so influential! It changed the industry!
>Oh yeah? How?
>0 replies

>>149745194
He's also a great animator, and a decent VA. Khara set up Animator expo too, so that made a mark at least somewhere.

>>149745241
Honestly, as a seiyuu I could take him or leave him, but he is a great animator.

>>149745215
>Influence isn't about being the first to do something, it's about being the first to popularize it.

Gunbuster did not popularize the Super Robot genre Gaynax faggot. Have you even heard of the Braves Series?

>>149744760
Better than most of Kon's stuff, sure, but Miyazaki has a few movies that surpass NGE, the show.

On the other hand, End of Eva surpasses anything either of those two directors have created though.

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>>149745331
>Have you even heard of the Braves Series?
No

>>149745237
Oh look, it's happening again

>>149745200
Yeah, thanks to Evangelion, we now have more otaku-pandering shit harems with silent fuckdolls and tsunderes. So influential- I'll bet Kon is so upset to not be a part of that.

>>149745241
>decent VA

Now I know you're just a delusional cocksucking Evageek.

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>>149745363
>I'll bet Kon is so upset to not be a part of that.
He's actually not
he's dead

>>149745345
>>>/mal/

>>149745363
Still influence.

Kon's stuff is good but it is not as influential.

>>149745376
Fuck you, he played his role exactly as directed. It was supposed to be jarring and it worked, if you want to blame someone blame Miyazaki.

Did you not watch the Kingdoms of Dreams and Madness?

>>149745363
It's not just those aspects, and some of the influence isn't so much in terms of character archetypes, or stuff like that, but in how scenes are shot, and more directorial stuff like that.

>>149745392
Sword Art Online and Attack on Titan have been far more influential to modern anime than Evangelion.

>>149745200
If we talk about influence over the animation industry you're right, but if you're talking about entertainment industry you're so wrong. The influence that the sheer plot, which is usually the worst part in Kon movies, over some of the major and most acclaimed Hollywood movie is evident.

>>149745363
That's thanks to Otakus
Anno started to oppose them after their waifufest

>>149745413
You're baiting way too hard, kid.

>>149745428
He's right though. Name so anime that Eva has influenced, if you even can.

>>149745428
Not him but AoT has a chance. It's the first original anime in a while especially when you realize the Wall was built to keep the savage, stupid immigrants (Titans) away from the whites

>>149745428
But he's right, sadly.

>>149745450
Serial Experiments Lain, RahXephon, Texhnolyze, Gasaraki, Boogiepop Phantom, Blue Submarine No. 6, Mobile Battleship Nadesico, Rinne no Lagrange, Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure, Argento Soma, Pilot Candidate, Generator Gawl, and Dai-Guard.

>>149745474
>It's the first original anime in a while
It's literally a manga adaptation.

>>149745494
Sorry, I assumed you were intelligent enough to know what I meant. I now see that's not the case.

>>149745474
>>149745494
And the basic plot is influenced heavily by Knights of Sidonia.

>>149745489
And those are just some of the ones with a major, overt influence from Eva. There's countless others that were influenced in more minor ways.

>>149745413
SAO and SnK are products of the current market. They didn't use any other themes or tropes in them that weren't already popular. As for SAO, it just took common harem shit and made it appeal to gamer chuuni hordes. As for SnK, there is a general uptick in dark and grim settings recently, and its visual/audio direction was the main reason it sold apart from the rest. It's hard to be influential when you're exactly like everything else on the market.

>>149745489
>Serial Experiments Lain
>Gasaraki
>Mobile Battleship Nadesico
>Dai-Guard

>Eva influenced

nope.jpg

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>OP asks about animation
>everyone goes on about Anno's directing

>>149745587
Are you proud or something?

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>>149745601
Yes

>>149745587
You've never heard of Lain, RaXephon, Boogiepop Phantom, Blue Submarine No. 6, or Nadesico?
I mean, I haven't seen them all, but these aren't insignificant anime.

>>149745587
/co/ was a mistake

>>149745625
Honest to God I haven't. Never even heard of them.

>>149745135

>implying that Anno never ever beat off to any of the younger girls in Eva

>>149745575
>SAO and SnK are products of the current market.

Just like Evangelion was a product of its post economic bubble burst time period. Just look at other similar works around the time like Patlabor 2 or Utena.

>>149745650
Eva might have been a product of its time to some extent, but it was still more a product of Anno pouring every last drop of his own mental illness into it.

>>149745679
Just because Anno jizzed all over it doesn't make it influential- it was just a product of its time. Part of the reason Nadia turned out the way it did was because of the Bubble Burst, and Anno was depressed because of Nadia.

>>149745679
It's hard to imagine Evangelion springing from a completely sane mind. The guy had issues and it came through in his work. Luckily Anno secured a no-strings-attached time-slot so he didn't have to submit any pre-production work for approval.
And this may be the biggest influence Evangelion had on the anime industry at large: Anno was in full control of his work, barring censorship and budget constraints.

>>149744760
Comparing Anno and Miyazaki isn't really a good idea, they both made very different works that are extremely good in their own ways and heavily participated in shaping what anime is now (not necessarily for the best though).

>>149745760

Comparisons are meant to be drawn between things, especially of a similar nature. Both continue to work in a similar line of work that creates works or art/entertainment for people to criticize and enjoy.

I feel that it is clear to me that Miyazaki has certainly had a larger impact on the world and animation in general.

>>149745582
It's easy to understand that OP meant direction. Blame him for misusing the word "animator".

>>149743876
>Miyazaki
>not a hack
he's an anime meme at this point

>>149745489
Nice job copy-pasting the Wikipedia list, but the very first entry you went for has been directly denied by the writer.

>>149744630
This.
You can't just deny using Eva because you know it makes your argument completely irrelevant

Anno is more comparable to Oshii, lots of influence through early work, later went on do shitty live action and then became proponents for the adoption of CGI in anime.

Kon and Miyazaki focused on one medium for many years and show comparatively meek development but consistent quality.

>>149743876
>inb4 muh evangelion
Not an argument. You don't have to like Eva, but its influence on the industry is undeniable, though some people here overplay it.

>>149745413
>two popular shows which came out in this decade have more influence on modern anime than one which aired 20 years ago
Stop the presses.

>>149745331
Shut up before I Super Inazuma Kick your face into next century.

>>149744630
>using "inb4" in the OP in the first place
Really, OP.

>>149747303
So EPIC, are you going to Giga Drill me next? I'll bet those are literally the only two Super Robot shows you even know of.

>>149746756
You haven't even seen his live-action movies, right? Love & Pop and Ritual were great and Cutie Honey was rad as hell.

>>149745543
Other way around, sadly.

Gunbuster is a mecha Anime for girls and deals with girly problems. /a/ being full of little girls obviously thinks highly of Gunbuster, which is actually SHIT.

>>149744659
I think Anno is just a really alien unrelatable person and that's why his characters come off as such. I can't really pan him for that though since to him the characters are realistic and relatable. It wasn't until I watched some interviews with him that I was able to understand this.

>>149744760
Castle Cagliostro is better than Eva and thats just one movie

>>149744974
What has Eva actually influenced in terms of direction and animation, faggot?

Miyazaki and Kon and masterful in film and animation.

Anno created shitty girl archetypes and beta mc and shitty harems and self inserted himself as mc under the guise of "wow so deep" when all of the "2deep4u" idea came from bad storytelling and plot direction. It's like telling me Dark Souls is 2deep4me to be honest.

Eva changed the industry for the worse.

>>149750535
So what does that say if other people do find the characters relatable?

>>149743876
You just can't accept that someone in the post-2000s created a comparable anime to Miyazaki, destroying your delusion that anything post-2000 will not create anything good.

>>149750628
They suffer from one personality disorder or another I know because I can relate to pretty much everyone in EVA

>>149750963
What are you even talking about?

>>149745237
it literally revived the anime you dumb fuck

>>149751182
Oh yeah? How?

>>149751314
Waifu wars.

>>149751314
not them but it saved Gainax from going under.

>>149743876
Muh Evangelion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IQqPMsIfX4

>>149744611
> even right down to recreating panel flow

Kekkest of keks.

Watch DMC, which is literally colored and animated panels from manga. Not going to say it's the best option, obviously.

>>149750621
Looks like it really was 2deep4u.

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Kill yourselves Annofags

there's nothing worse than these threads that dragnet the worst /a/ posters and have them try to explain their fucked up grasp of art or the state of anime or the influence of a creator or anything more complicated than "best girl won"

>>149752210
yeah, everyone is an idiot except you anon

>>149752210
>there's nothing worse than these threads
Annofags are worse than these threads.

>>149752210
>/a/ posters
/m/ posters

>>149745392
Influential doesn't mean quality anons. Madoka is influential but what does that say about its quality? What Kon created was piece of art.

>>149743876
To be fair, Miyazaki is pretty shit too, his stuff is for casuals.

>>149743876
>animators
iirc he animated the city explosion scene in Daicon 4 pretty much by himself.
https://youtu.be/UTB9rzP2efE