Dragon Ball Super

Will Toyotaro be able to fix up this mess?

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how is it a retcon exactly? never stated how they defused originally AFAIK.

>>149700474
>atmosphere inside Buu

>>149700392
Cuckgito fags eternally btfo

Haahahahahahahahah

>>149700474
Buu's gastric juices.

>>149700474
it's not that bad except for the fact that Old Kai didn't know these details. That's inconsistent.

>>149700474
But they lasted more than one fucking hour playing with Buu.

>>149700536
>>149700581
never officially stated.

>>149700474
Bu's juices but I think they assumed it was because of that so they could have been wrong back then

>>149700620
Time it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymAsDwnTqks

>>149700620
Fight was much shorter in the manga than the anime.

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I need more gay Zamasu

>>149700474
Buu was a magical creature.
His body could do strange things.

They fucking ruined one of the best characters in the franchise.

>>149700536
>>149700581
An assumption
>>149700620
If the DBZ anime really wanted to that could've made scenes that could've made scenes from the manga been thirty seconds but they turned into minutes (SSJ3 transformation)

>>149700648
>eng dub
NOPE

>>149700631
Everyone, Toriyama included, assumed that was the case for two fucking decades.
If this isn't a retcon then nothing is.

>>149700660
RIP

Is Zamasu Trump?

>>149700745
Zamasu isn't a winner, anon.

so.... we're never seeing Ftrunks again right?

>>149700769
When Super 17 returns

Along with Trunks getting yet another power boost. Disappointing end to Zamasu there. I would have been more happy if it turned out Goku was making a Spirit Bomb.

This whole fusion time decrease bullshit was started by GT.
Super saiyan levels aren't supposed to affect the time. Super is taking ideas from fucking GT ffs.

>>149700660
Poor Little Green Boy

>>149700620
source

>>149700769
Zeno could bring him to the tournament.

>>149700392
DROPPED. Death to retcons.

>>149700769
Good riddance
They fucked the Trunks people loved
Turned his hair blue and made him into a mary sue
Had no originality because
>lol imma use muh daddy and sensei's moves
and
>I also have this sword I barely know how to use, even though I totally forgot about it near the end of the Cell Saga
I hate Super Trunks, but love DBZ and Xeno Trunks

>>149700446
Black will turn into SSR in the first trip most likely, the second trip after they all train will probably be the last, if Vegetto does appear in the manga then the limit most likely will stay there, Trunks needs his moment to shine...unless Toyotaro goes crazy and fuses Trunks with someone else and we get a new fusion.

>>149700392
>"Zamasu isn't healing, he's falling apart!"
>"he's becoming weaker and weaker
>1 hour later Vegeta & Goku split
>Zamasu is greatly weakened
>Vegeta hold Zamasu while Goku makes a genki dama
>Trunks appears, absorb Goku's genki dama and finishes Zamasu
Done. It wasn't that complicated, why did they have to do everything so wrong?

>Dragon Ball Multiverse
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>149700392
Black and Zamasu fusion was a mistake, they just could keep Zamasu sealed with Mafuba while everyone going against Black.

Why didn't the Old Kai know that the rings only worked permanently on gods?

Zamasu had so many opportunities to kill off the fighters, how many times did he stab them with his energy sword but not slice them in half?

>>149701062
it wasn't even an hour, they said it was the blue transformation that made it last even less.

was episode 66 as good as everyone is hyping it up to be? i stopped watching around ep30

>>149701163
Why should he?
Supreme Kai didn't even know the earrings did anything if my memory doesn't fail me.

>>149700392
LMAO FK TOEI

THE PIECES OF SHIT NON CANON BULLSHIT

Let's not forget freaking Old Kaioshin fused with a mortal and is fine

>>149701163
Toei didn't tell him.

The Genki Dama is such a hyped up move that Goku could probably beat Zeno by absorbing the energy of hamsters.

>>149701026
Fuck I hate how they shoved the sword down our throats although Trunks only used it because he was a shitty fighter at the beginning of Cell saga who didn't have any skills except for turning SS. After he trained with his father and became proficient he fucking abandoned the sword rightfully since his fists are deadlier than any sword and more effecient.

I hate how Super took the perfect ending of Trunks story and just made it shitty. Trunks killed his nemesises. He killed the people that ruined his life, killed his friends and family and devastated earth. He was also completely successful in his time travel since he changed the outcome of the past.

With Future Trunks we know his timeline would be fine after he defeated Cell amd the cyborgs since Trunks was the only non retarded Dragonball character. He didn't fuck around, even in the future he will destroy all dangers of earth before they even have time to develop. He is the best suited protector of earth of the entire cast.

And not all was bad for him. Sure most of the DBZ cast died in his timeline but he still had some people left like his mother. He would manage since he was such a mature character.

>>149701279
Because he is wise and a kaioshin of his stature would know the details. Don't forget he is a fused half mortal fused being as well

Toei are fanfiction tier retards

>>149700474
Technically not a retcon but Old Kai not knowing it was complete bullshit

>>149700620
Yea a Frieezas 5 minute count down lasted like 10 fucking epsidoes, whats your point?

>>149701333
we're talking about the same guy who fused with a witch

>>149701392
Out of his will

>>149701267
It was the worst episode of the show.

MANGA IS NOT CANON I REPEAT N O N C A N O N TOYOTARO WILL FIX IT TOYOTARO FILL FIX IT

>>149701333
>Because he should!
You what.
He can know about the fusion from firsthand experience, same as for it being permanent.
You're assuming he gained further knowledge by someone telling him, or some record existing, or something else. "He is wise" is not a valid explanation on how someone gains knowledge.

Why won't they let Vegeta grow a new moostache? He could easily beat Goku in that area.

>>149700608

>Old Kai didn't know these details

think about what you just said there, genius.

>>149700809
What are you talking about? That started with Gotenks going SSJ3.

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>>149701461
Imagine.

What was the point in retconning it when the Dragon Balls exist? Just giving them as excuse to unfuse them and have to really on some nonsense to win.

Please save us Toyotarou

>>149701333
Wise enough to know that Buu was stronger than Beerus and that the Mystic power-up would last forever?
Face it, Old Kai has been dribbling bullshit since day one.
Hell, regular Supreme Kai didn't know shit either.

>>149701475
> time decrease
Gotenks lasted for the full 30 minutes.

>>149701503
>two things added by super
nice argument

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Hey guys he is just wrong!

Even though he fused with a mortal himself!

How to fix the ending:
>Retconning potara fusion was right and necessary for the plot. So I would leave that.
>Make Vegito vs. Zamasu fight last longer, at least until half of episode 67.
>Make a character say that one hour have passed so the defusion makes sense.
>Goku and Vegeta try to face Zamasu but they lose and end up almost dead.
>After fighting Vegito and Goku and Vegeta, Zamasu is noticeable tired.
>Trunks receives the broken sword and realizes he is the only hope to defeat Zamasu.
>Inspired by everyone Trunks finally becomes SSB and go to fight a tired Zamasu.
>Trunks puts a fight but even then he is about to lose.
>Suddendly he and Zamasu notice a light in the sky.
>With his last strengths Goku was making a spirit bomb while Trunks was fighting.
>Everyone gives his enegy to the spirit bomb.
>Too beaten up to fight, Goku gives the spirit bomb to Trunks.
>Trunks defeats Zamasu with the sword infused with the spirit bomb energy.

>>149701508
Eh, I just checked and you are indeed correct. It's SSJ3 that only lasts for a short while, they only defused after the 30 minutes were over.

>>149701304
I felt Trunks should have always used the sword. Sets him apart and their should always been more weapon users. Just flat out say that ki can be transferred to weapons being held.
Also Trunks didn't kill his nemesis, that was Gohan, Trunks killed a enemy who had never met him before. Although he killed the androids in a rather anticlimactic fashion though that probably suited them.

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You fucks complain about everything. At least we got to SEE Vegito. Who gives a fuck if he was defused after a little bit?

>>149701026
this
making him a mary sue who learns new techniques on a whim and gains power ups randomly was awful, not to mention the shitty hair

>>149701589
>>>Retconning potara fusion was right and necessary for the plot. So I would leave that.
Stopped reading here.

>>149701026
this is true
he used to be so cool. just sad.

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>>149701613
I'd rather not see a character than see a character ruined
example: Future Trunks

>>149701026
How can you love Xeno Trunks? He constantly fails at his job and is completely useless. He lost his fucking body to Ginyu, and he knows Ginyu's abilities at that point. He is even worse than in super.

>>149700392

so let me see if I get this straight

you guys favor the explanation that potara is permanent for everyone, and Vegito was only unfused because of Buu's gastric juices

when this doesn't make sense for a variety of reasons:

1) Super Buu devoured and ended up taking on the appearance of Gotenks, complete with aspects that came from their fusion design. However, if his guts have some sort of anti-magic fusion gas inside of it, why would he look like GOTENKS and not Goten and Trunks' outfits combined? Goten and Trunks are shown separated later, compounding the plothole.

2) secondly, Fat Buu is effectively a fusion of the original Majin Buu and the Kai he devoured. He should have caused them to separate into separate beings again.

3) Why do these special gasses not hurt HIMSELF, since they aren't truly "eaten", but rather stored inside of his body, effectively making Super Buu HIMSELF a Fusion

Honestly, the Super retcon FIXES these problems and works with the story better, AND makes Vegito easier to use in the future if they so desire

This shit is actually a GOOD thing

>>149701601
Toei is copying ideas from GT and the movies.
This is just sad,

>>149701611
A sword is just retarded though in DBZ since as long as the opponent is stronger than you there is literally no use to it since there won't be any cutting damage and it can be broken easily.

>>149701663
Your whole point 1 is non sense since Vegetto put up a Ki barrier to NOT GET ABSORBED

Gotenks got absorbed properly

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What is Beerus thinking?
>inb4 I need some KitKat

ZAMASU

>>149701663
>AND makes Vegito easier to use in the future if they so desire
so he can become a shit-tier mockery of his former self like everyone else in this dumpster fire of an anime

>>149701663
so then how did a kai fusion with a mortal, and still be fused?

>>149701674
The movies and GT DID have good ideas. They just handled them as poorly as they possibly could.

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>tfw SUPER is worse the GT

So can we stop talking about Trunks for a minute and talk about how Goku Stu managed to kamahemaha stronger than both Vegeta (Who was stated to have surpassed him) and Trunks, and not only that but did a kaoi-ken bitchslap?

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>some poor new trainee is going to have to deal with this

>>149701663
>AND makes Vegito easier to use in the future if they so desire
He only lasts for 5 minutes. There's no use for him now unless you want to set up a Mary Sue.

>>149701725
Toei saw the zamasu wojack crying macros

>>149701663
>makes Vegito easier to use
There is no reason to use him anymore. Blue drains the amount of time he can last and he will just waste that time anyway.

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>>149701725
DELETE THIS

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Admit it, you'd take me over Super.

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>>149701059

This, the time limit is probably a thing now. It's a very Toriyama thing to do, i doubt the surprise spirit bomb will be in the manga though, Trunks will either just win by stealth attacking Zamasu or by turning Blue. Which is what i thought was happening in this episode.

And fusion Zamasu probably wont get bighuge, hopefully he also wont turn half purple. Hopefully.

>>149700767
he thought he won at first, then dissaster is inevitable

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>>149701734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkuMKZme7Ik

Fusion was a mistake.

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>Do away with best boy Goku Black for shit tier Zamasu
>Retcon potaru fusion
>Make Trunks beat Zamasu in the most retarded possible way
I know this is a kids' show and that Toriyama doesn't give a flying fuck any more, but for fucks sake, trying hiring a better writer.

>>149701730
I don't think it was that unreasonable.
Vegeta pretty much stopped using Galick Gun after he developed Final Flash.
I guess it does a poor job scaling with the user's power.

>>149701059
Toyotarou will just give Trunks SSG ritual

I think Vegetto is probably Toei original as well

>>149701663
well both point 2 and 3 are bullshit because you're assuming Buu is a fusion, which he isn't

Powers that run on time are always handled so poorly in anime, it's not even funny anymore. 30 seconds became 5 minutes, 5 minutes become 5 episodes, one hours becomes 5 minutes.

It's just retarded.

>>149701769
>Trump
>Disaster
Nigga what?

>>149701392
god witch you mean

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>>149701656
So stating that a potra fusion goes away after an hour is ruining the entire character? really?

Ok I was a tiny bit hyped for this one, but what the fuck happened with Trunks getting energy from minna?
Some sort of genkidama? But people have to want to give their energy for genkidama, no?

>>149701782
It's all Toei, not toriyama

Wait for the Toriyama approved and oversight Manga by Toyotaro

>>149701711

anon, I'm gonna tell you something that may upset you

Vegito never got a chance to win a fight in his original appearance either

>>149701700

which again, raises the question of why Goten and Trunks are in separate pods later, and why Super Buu STARTS TO LOOK LIKE FUCKING GOTENKS TO BEGIN WITH

also, if Vegito put up a barrier, why did he unfuse at all? The original explanation is rife with plotholes and it's much easier to say that Elder Kai is senile and Goku was wrong

You know

things that happen repeatedly

>>149701566

I mean, the retcon is retarded but Zamasu also fused with a ningen and he was still going to last forever according to GOWASU

>>149701782
I'm pretty sure the only thing in Tori's script was Black and Zamusa fusing.
Trunks might still beat Merged Zamusa in the manga, but hopefully Spirit Bomb Sword won't be there.
Honestly, they just need to fire the Toei writing staff.

>>149701813
She wasn't a Kaio, just a ningen like Baba

Why didn't the writers just let Trunks turn SSB this episode? He's already been doing the pseudo-SSB ANGER MODE forever.
That would've at least slightly lessened the power gap bullshit that was going on.

>>149701713

Zamasu's fusion still involved a Kai, so it was exempt from the limitation.

You don't need two kais, you need A Kai.

>>149701700
So wouldn't Gotenks become unfused since he had no barrier?

>>149701821
Because he got inside his body. Gotenks didn't get inside his body, which is why he didn't unfuse straight away.

>>149701814
One of the main things about Vegito was the the fact that Goku and Vegeta were permanently stuck like that
Saying he only lasts an hour ruins how great his birth was.

So, how did the Japanese audience react to this episode?

>>149701852

>'power gap'

Here we go again with this fucking powerlevel shit.

>>149701725
I'm glad I was old enough when I saw GT, so that I don't have this kind of blind nostalgia.

Also this moment was pretty cool, I like tghe sincerity of Zamasu in contrast to Vegeto's reaction

>>149701697
First of all a sword or any melee weapon would give you enhanced range and if the opponent broke your ki-enhanced sword, your fist is doing jack shit anyway. They might as well just sit on opposite sides of the planet lobbing Ki-beams at each other as that is the only thing that kills people in this series.

>>149701817
I know, but isn't her supervising this?
I wouldn't approve of this shit.

Hell, rather having wasted the mafuba in the most retarded way, I would have had Vegetto stall Zamasu until Trunks managed to learn how to properly use the mafuba, so that he could score the victory is a less retarded way.

Later they could have said they got Vegetto to defuse through a wish.

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>>149700392
>tfw none of this bugged me

It was nice to see Future Trunks get the kill and save the future. Vegito's some bullshit and it's good to see fusion crap depowered.

>>149701566
>Kibito Kai immediately gets talked down
poor guy

>>149701821
>if Vegito put up a barrier, why did he unfuse at all?

Not defending the original reasoning, but he did let his shield down once he saw he was okay in there. He came undone immediately after that.

>>149701869
nips watch onepiece

they are still waiting for the two piece, the three piece etc Eneru has

I didnt payed that much attention but did the OST in general changed (new composer maybe even?) in this arc? I find the music way better even if a bit generic.

>>149701852
They thought this would be cooler.
Watch Toyotaro just give Trunks SSG.

>>149700675
Why is "It's magic, I don't gotta explain shit" a MORE acceptable thing, especially when the magic is POO GAS?

>>149701885
Toriyama is not supervising the anime at all. He just gives them some story points

>>149701872
Here we go again with giving Super excuses although the powerlevel rules were established forever and consistent as fuck.

>>149701891
>did let his shield down once he saw he was okay in there
Yes exactly

>>149701852
But Trunks isn't fighting a god.

>>149701895
Which makes perfect sense since any Saiyan can do the SSG ritual

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never forget

Vegeto is too OP.

Good thing potara was nerfed.

>>149701885

Toriyama doesn't supervise the anime at all, he supervises the manga. And even then only barely.

>>149701821
Vegito unfused after turning off his ki barrier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkWybX256as

>>149701887
really? You have a problem with fusion and not Trunks being imbued with the power of hope and manifesting it into a sword?
I could write all the DB fanfiction I want and would have never come up with something that stupid.

>yfw you only watch this stuff for the SoL stuff.

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>>149701659
>Xeno Trunks is Ash Ketchum
>DBS Trunks is Kirito/Onii-Sama/Erza/Every YGO MC

Law or Chaos forever. Neutral is for homos

>>149701885
He only supervises the manga.

Did everyone miss the part where Goku and Vegeta just gave Trunks their power?

Could they always do this? Could they just do this and have solved literally every problem they ever had?

>>149701860
>Because he got inside his body. Gotenks didn't get inside his body, which is why he didn't unfuse straight away.
This kind of circular logic is mind-numbing. Gotenks wasn't in Buu's body... when Buu absorbed him. But Vegito was?

>>149701872
Yeah, fucking powerlevels amirite?
Yajirobe could've easily saved the day too, the writers just didn't let him.

>>149700392
they should have just brought gogeta, would explain why defuse in such a short time without retconning, SSJ3 gotenks defused really fast for the reason they gave jobbetto

>>149701852
Trunks is supposed to be lightyears behind the old timer heroes. He didn't had half their experience so his power in this arc is already barely credible for me. SSB would've just been too much as is without any other elements/circumstances added

>>149701730
Because Goku is just really strong. Goku has a lot of untapped power in him he can only access when he's angry. Not as much as say like Gohan, but it's not like Goku has maxed his strength. He's just going to get stronger.

>>149701944
Seeing as how the spirit bomb is some shit that's been a part of Dragon Ball of like 25 years, having Trunks form a spirit sword isn't too farfetched.

And fusions have always been junk. They're fun, but you're combining two damn characters. It always begs the question, "Why not just fuse all the time to defeat the bad guys?" Having more limits added is a good thing.

>>149701944
Look at this guy who is too mature for a hope/willpower powerup in his shounen fighting anime.

>>149701944
No you couldn't anon. Just look at your own post.

>>149701882
A sword that doesn't do cutting or stabbing damage is literally useless no matter how you try to spin it. What damage is the sword supposed to do in a real fight? Will trunks slap the shit out of his enemies with it? This is retarded as fuck.

If they wanted Trunks to still have his sword combat style they should have given him a KI sword technique. That would blend in better since it would just show that he evolved as a fighter with some tendencies.

zamasu

Zamasu

ZAMASU

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>using orange potara instead of green ones

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Super sayain spirit was awesome. It's the extension of mortal power that super sayain God is to God ki.
Y'all ningen don't understand art.

>trunks is more powerful than vegetta and goku
>trunks is as powerful as veggitto
How will fusionfags EVER recover

>>149701967
They needed to nerf all fusions for future villains.

POST SAKUGA

>they gave Vegito a time limit specifically so he can't be considered a viable option anymore
>and so trunks can be special

Can we agree this arc had the dankest memes?

>>149701958
You get put as part of boo when you get absorbed. When you have a ki barrier like vegetto, you don't get put as part of boo.

As you saw in the pods, they (fat buu, etc) were protected from boo's magic bodily functions.

>>149701899
>>149701934
>>149701950
I see, hopefully there won't be any Vegetto in the manga then.
I hope the way the solve this arc will be better thought out... no, actually, anything can be better than what was done in the anime.
I hope the manga's conclusion to this arc is, at least, decent.

>>149701966
Yajirobe DID save the day against a dude that had a massive powergap against him. Oozaru Vegeta is almost as strong as Ginyu and Yajirobe cut through him like butter.

ZAMASU CRYING LIKE ALL THE VEGETTOFAGS HUEHUEHUEHUE

>>149702006
>>trunks is as powerful as veggitto

I really think most people didn't even watch the episode and are just shitposting

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>>149701975

When Goku got really angry after Black told him he murdered Chichi and Goten he just got blacked instantly though.

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>>149700660

>>149701949
>ook look, I screencaped one frame of a far view during an action scene

Jesus. Stop this once and far all. This is animation, not illustration.

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Even though most of this episode was bullshit I like how Godly Zamasu remained. When he was telling Vegito how he wanted Son Goku in his body because it's Truly the Duty of god to take on the ningen's sins.

>>149702030
I really think the people defending this episode have a check coming in the mail form Toei.

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>>149701904
>and consistent as fuck.
How did vegitta get God ki faggot.
>m-muh maybe because he was in the ceremony
Yeah nice and established.

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>>149701367
>Potara fusion is permanent
>This has been a fact for decades

becomes

>Hey, it only lasts an hour for non-supreme kai fusions. Have fun.

Oh, it most certainly IS a retcon. They literally threw that line in beforehand to validate what they did.

>not a retcon
Tell that to Elder Kai, and for that matter, why the fuck is Zamasu still fused? Black is a fucking mortal body with a Kaioshins soul, so there is easily wiggle room there either way.

Goku doing the Kaioken was well done, because he was spent a second later, and I'm saying this and I hate that stupid idea.

Even so, I feel like they had to put that Kaioken in there so the anime director could mark his territory, before taking a dump all over it with the unfusing.

I liked what they did with Trunks, but they fucked up the scale of it, everything. They should have let Vegetto wreck Zamasu's shit to a standstill with Zamasu being weakened, but say, slaps Vegetto through a reality tear and even though he can get out, he can't get out in time as Zamasu is going nuclear.

Then they can do just as they did, except . fucking give Trunks SSB already.

>>149701730
My theory has always been that Goku is unfathomably strong, more than people realize or he can tap into most of the time. The fact that Goku has mastered the Kaoiken to the extent he has tells a lot to me. It's never really explained how the Kaioken works but your power just can't increase 10-20x over out of nowhere, right? That power has to come from somewhere and that's why I think Goku has a ton of hidden potential in him.

>>149701932
The forever lasting effect was a good rule though. It was a legit reason to never fuse except for when it was unavoidable. Now they literally have no reason to not fuse except for Vegeta maybe being a whiny bitch.

>>149701991
Swinging a lead pipe inflicts more damage than a punch with the same amount of energy put into it.

>>149700392

AND THEY BROKE THEIR NEW ESTABLISHED RULE WITHIN THE SAME EPISODE WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION

>>149702014
>You get put as part of boo when you get absorbed. When you have a ki barrier like vegetto, you don't get put as part of boo.
>As you saw in the pods, they (fat buu, etc) were protected from boo's magic bodily functions.
How, exactly? What "magic bodily functions" did it protect them from? Better yet: WHY COULD GOTENKS FUSE -INSIDE- OF BUU?

>>149702051
Where did I defend the episode?

>>149702024
Yajirobe cut through Vegeta's tail, when he was completely unaware, and their tails are notably weaker than the rest of their body.

He didn't cut Vegeta to bits. Hell, even after Vegeta survived a Spirit Bomb, Yajirobe cut him, and he got back up anyway

>>149702024
Oozaru Vegeta is stronger than Ginyu.

Ginyu's max is 120k
Monkey man's is 180k

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t. Kaio Sama

>>149702014
You are making up bullshit semantics just to prove that your headcanon is better than the official explanation; you do realize that?

>>149702059
>Tell that to Elder Kai, and for that matter, why the fuck is Zamasu still fused? Black is a fucking mortal body with a Kaioshins soul, so there is easily wiggle room there either way.
They explain it in the episode you dumb catposter. You need A Kai, not two.

>>149702051
What's wrong with the episode?

Fusions get depowered (as they should be) and Future Trunks saves the day (as he should).

Guess the arc could have lasted a bit longer, but still solid.

>>149701932
Then don't make it a fucking option. They may as well have went with Gogeta if their is going to be an issue with a timelimit

>>149701950
According to Toyotaro, he's only concerned about the gags

>>149701999
>orange
It looked gold to me.

>>149702052
Nigga, are you retarded? I basically implied that Super doesn't follow the established rules, hence why there is no excuse for shit like Mary Sue Trunks out of nowhere.

>>149702104
What are you talking about

the official explanation is that Vegetto put up a ki barrier and was not absorbed like gotenks.

>>149701955
They also do this in some movies but movies are not canon. I couldv'e bought the fact that Trunks did some kind of involuntary genkidama in this ep, with those close to him rooting for him and stuff, but when they said it was the whole Earth, I lost it.
About Goku and Vegeta...yeah I guess they could just klend their ki. Don't forget those 2 don't do such things before they tried their best to fight for themselves. They're pretty egotistic.

>>149701730
Is it maybe becaue Zamasu was starting to get tired? Trunks and Vegeta helped.

What character DB Super didn't ruin except Trunks?

>>149702077
Same "power makes fusion last less" crap that GT pulled with Gogeta

>Goku pulls some serious 'power out of fucking nowhere' this episode
>Everyone turns a blind eye
>Trunks does the same
>'OMG Gary Stu!'

>>149701417
>>149701267
It was an ok episode, but if you look at it from the perspective of how much they just shit all over everything, it's objectively the worst.

>>149702109
>Vegito gets retconned into the ground just so Trunks can be a bigger Mary Sue
>Trunks hits unfathomable Mary Sue levels
You have some serious shit taste if you genuinely believe this is good or even acceptable writing.

>>149702117

Gogeta isnt canon.

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>>149702041
desu senpai i screencapped it because it looks dope not because of QUALITY.

vegito being a disappointment has made you all too angry

>>149702074
And a gun does more damage either way. What's your fucking point? Might as well infuse bullets with KI power if we go by the rules you are implying to exist.

>>149702006
But no. Trunks sure powered up but he came with the sword at a moment when Zamasu was already weakened and unstable.

>>149702010
This is 2016, there's no sakuga at Toei

>>149702155
Yep, Goku makes this shit nearly unwatchable.

>>149702061
That would sense to why the kaioken demolishes your body when you use it because its pushing your body to the absolute limit of it's abilities and Goku's ceiling is just nowhere near the power he can use regularly.

I loved this episode. The animation was great. Zamazu's character and voice actor has done an amazing job at making me love it when he screams in frustration. He was the whipping boy for the whole episode and it was awesome Vegetto was fun and really well animated for the short time we had him but he hit all the right beats and it fit much better narratively that Trunks finished the arc.

Trunks' sword is a good focal point for the hopes of his world such as it is to manifest and a "miracle" manifesting to wreck the self centered god is pretty perfect. Sure it could have been foreshadowed better but it was a good way to end the arc.

I am satisfied and I won't even be mad when Zeno comes by next week to clean up the mess the heroes feel like they've earned their victory.

>>149702030
>fights on tier with Zamasu God
>doesn't take near as many hits as Veggito
>attacks actually hurt ZamGod
I think I did watch the episode, vegittonigger. Sorry your precious fusion got its shit blown out. Trunks is the single most power mortal in the series right now. His sword even has properties that do more damage through ki destabalisation. Better than vegitto's arm sword.

BLOWN OUT.

>>149702151
Gotenks.

>>149702162

How can Trunks be the biggest Mary Sue when Goku exists?

>>149702084
Vegeta and Nappa's tails were far less vulnerable and besides Yajirobe cut through Vegeta's back while Veg was looking at him.

>>149702117
>Then don't make it a fucking option

People would be whining "WHY DON'T THEY JUST POTARA FUSE TO BEAT X" if they didn't nerf it for future arcs.
Hell if they fusion danced this episode and split 5 minutes after, there would be nothing but "HAHA GOGEKEKS BTFO SHITTY FUSION THIS WOULDNT HAPPEN WITH POTARA".

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>>149702162
>being bothered that Trunks is a Mary Sue in his own special timeline

>>149702118
To be fair, Toyotaro handles plot far better than Toei could ever dream of.

Everytime somethign like this goes down i'm reminded that we're essentially watching the anime director's version of fanfiction

>>149702135
Who fucking said it? It is pure conjecture that is disproven by the fact that Gotenks was fine until he hit his time limit.

>>149702162
People respect the strong so it's far

>>149702183
Goku doesn't manifest the power of hope and friendship into a sword that he uses to kill his enemies.
I'm sure by the end of Super, we'll see Goku do something like this, but for now, Trunks reigns supreme as biggest Mary Sue

>>149702142
Only because they let him shine doesn't mean they didn't ruin the character. I fucking hate Super Trunks.

>>149702197
There's a lot of shit in the series that they COULD do, but don't because Saiyan Pride or some other stupid horseshit, or because the writers just chose to forget about it.

So what's better? Just leaving it out of the series or having it show up and ruined with some lame retcon?

>>149702197

I think it's going to be way more interesting to hear 'Why don't all of them just give Goku their power to beat X' because we see them clearly handing Trunks their energy.

>>149702107
Oh, seen the next episode already? Tell me more, future man.

>>149702059
Trunks is beyond super sayain blue fag. Like mystic he's going down a different path of improvement, learning different styles, moves and powerups. I for one welcome this development.

A mortal equivalent to getting stronger with God ki.

>>149702197

get a better writing team then.

remember when black destroyed the time machine so they couldn't get back in time? Do the same with the potaras once the gowasu and kaioshin appeared.

that wasn't so hard, was it?

>>149702182
Gotenks' fusion lasted for 30 minutes.
Power having an effect on fusion time is GT fanfiction.

>>149702182
see >>149701601

>>149702197
>Put Vegetto in
>Gogetafags mad because he doesn't appear, Vegettofags mad because he got nerfed into the ground
>Put Gogeta in
>Vegettofags mad that he didn't appear, Gogetafags mad because Vegettofags are still shitting on him
either way everyone loses

>>149702175
>forgetting about the SSB slaying laser pistol
We're already there G

Im fine with retcon of potara, etc.

Im not fine with Trunks getting "mary sue deus ex machina" so many times.

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>>149701566
I get it.

The Potaras use god ki to function.

If at least one of the fusers is a god, someone who produces god ki naturally, the Potara fusion naturally feeds off of it and keeps going.

If both are mortal, the Potara only has whatever can be mustered between the two, probably granted by the Potara fusion process. Once used up, the fusion becomes unsustainable and dissipates.

If both are mortal and the fusion uses a god ki powerup, then both the Potaras and the powerup feed on the present god ki, causing them to end at the same time and much, much more quickly.

>>149702181
Vegetto took one big hit and it was a shame to bait him into the spirit sword a you can see with him moving around as he was "knocked down", meanwhile Trunks went flying when Zamasu hit him before the spirit bomb shit happened

>Trunks actually hurting Zamasu

>"Zamasu, no longer healing but falling apart"?

Said during the Vegetto fight as he went into buff form, right after the spirit sword

>>149702175
Did you forget Mai nearly putting a hole in Black's head with a bullet like that?

>>149702047
For all this bullshit, they should have left Vegito out of it entirely. He wasn't needed at all.

As much as I loved what they did with Trunks, sentient Spirit Bombs are a thing now. Next villian is going to be a team of spirit bombs from all over the galaxy coming to exact revenge on Goku for sacrificing their brothers and sisters to fail at destroying all but 1 (now 2) villians.

>>149702232
No, he manifests it into a bomb to throw at and has since the Sayian saga.

Honestly, this new retcon ruined the whole 'Vegetto v Gogeta' rivalry.
I really enjoyed shitposting on those threads.

Wasn't Goku nearly killed by a laser beam?

>>149700392
I'm not mad, just sad that this means no fun times with Vegito afterwords.

>>149702201
Man the entire fucking point of Trunks was that he was weak as fuck in his own timeline unable to do anything against the cyborgs.

>>149702274
>Potaras are powered by god ki
>last longer with two regular mortals than with two mortals with god ki
what the fuck am I reading

>>149702176
>already weakened and unstable
He appears no more weak and unstable then when fighting Vegitto, frankly.
>trunks SSS= Vegitto SSB>goku SSB>vegeta SSB

Beerus is coming back next episode.
Beerus will make everything okay.

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>>149702175
One could argue that you need to be touching the thingy in order to infuse it with ki, so you wouldn't infuse the bullet, but the gun, which won't do much difference.

>>149702321
And then he got strong and wrecked those cyborgs.

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>zamasu

>>149702329
What the fuck is SSS

Any ideas what the Japanese fans are saying?
Do they care about the potara fusion retcon, or do they not give a fuck?

>>149702268
Hate how Super made heavy piercing wounds fucking meaningless. In Dragonball and Z you know someone was fucked up if a projectil pierced them or a fist went right trough their body.

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>>149702222
what? gotenks didn't put any ki barrier

Is there any way to shit on Gohan even more? Please, I hated that fucking asshole all throughout DBZ.

>>149702284
Trunks is still mortal. He fights differently. While he gets knocked back he doesn't take all that much damage. As seen by fuck all damage appearing on him and being able to zoom straight back without the whole 'wince move' animation. SSS is an attack based transformation. While SSB has great ki control and sustainability it is blown out in pure destructive force of SSS

>>149702352
Someone said before 2chan was pissed

Th ratings from this week and the next will be interesting

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>Last series is 20 fucking + years old
>peopel expect no retcons

As a fan of the video game series Kingdom Hearts this is normal for me.

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>>149702367

>>149702343
Yeah but not Mary Sue level strong. It was just by the time he went back to his timeline his enemies were weak as fuck compared to what he fought in the past timeline.

>>149702248
I like the different path of improvement too, but

>mortal equivalent to getting stronger with God Ki

Please think about what that means, and why he should just go blue.

>>149702241
This has happened long before super. Goku even gave Frieza energy. Holly fucking shit my man. Kill yourself.

>>149702352

they're currently rioting in front of the toei towers.

#notmyheadcannon

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> able to match SSB as SS2
> getting own power up
> withstanding more hits than Goku/Vegeta
> casting genkidama without knowing how to
> being a fag

I'm so glad I dropped super at episode 2. Watching so many people bend over backwards to rationalize this bullshit and cope with their own denial is fantastic.

>>149702367
He did not put up any barrier you are correct. He was absorbed and stayed fused inside Buu's body until his time ran out. See how the Vegito barrier theory is a plot hole now?

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>>149702364
>In Dragonball and Z you know someone was fucked up if a projectil pierced them or a fist went right trough their body.

Thats retarded tho.

A fucking explosion that can blow up a galaxy does nothing yet a fucking glowing pizza can oneshoot you.

>>149702417
Except Vegetto wasn't fused and didn't have his ki be part of buu.

>>149702251
For any other arcs, it would mean killing surpeme kai, kibito and elder kai which would in turn kill beerus and whis.
Goku and Vegeta can forget about potara convenience, but the readers won't.

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Did somebody say Bra?

>>149702396
But the circumstances here are different in that the enemies he's facing are the strongest there are in either timeline.

He was able to utilize the strength of Goku and Vegita along with those other humans left on the planet to make one final stand against what is (hopefully for Trunks) the last being set on destroying humans in his timeline.

>>149702388
>>>/v/

>>149702439
absorbed*

>>149702350
Super Saiyajin Super.

YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS VEGETTOFAGS

>>149702402
There is nothing wrong. Mortals are creatures of unity while Gods are creatures of isolation. Rather than rely on pure self improvement and overwhelming strength like Gods Mortal paths rely on collective energies and unique techniques and stratergies (hence why they only ever let trunks attempt the sealing, and after all this time). Rather than becomine a battery trunks will use power with cunning and only when the collective require it.
Top tier. Kami blown the fuck out by ningen yet again.

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>>149701863
it doesn't really matter. Vegito is still Vegito. I am more angry that Trunks STILL didn't turn Blue even after all this shiny lights and everything.

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why is toei so bad?

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>>149702439
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused and didn't have his ki be part of buu.
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused
>Except Vegetto wasn't fused

>>149702468
>not Super Duper Saiyan

>>149702350
Super Saiyan Sue

>>149702059
you have to take it into consideration that only kai's have the earings and probably never tried fusing with eachother because they feared the permanent bond. now that non kai's are actually using potara fusion it's completely new information.

I watched episode 66 10 times now and Vegetto was winning the fight.why do people say he jobbed?

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>>149702394
Kaioshins are retards

they didn't tell Goku and Vegeta that the Potara fusion only lasts for 1 hr

>>149702486
see >>149702466
Vegetto was never absorbed like Gotenks. He had a ki barrier

>>149702454
I'm pissed off that they didn't have the balls to kill ningen in the original timeline and needed to fuck Trunks timeline even more up.

Restream here

http://stream.dob.jp

>>149702480
He can't keep his ki inside, he hasn't trained with a god, it's stupid that he even has that amount of power even after being a fag

>>149702439
Than why wasn't Gotenks defused by Buu's magical intestinal gas?

>>149702506
So wouldn't Gotenks be more prone to being defused? Why would Gotenks be fine?

>>149702505
Kaioshins didnt even know the fucking Potara fused people in the first place.

>>149702350
Super sayain Spirit, mate. The spirit bomb transformation and the next step in mortal sayain evolution as opposed to Godly evolution.

>>149702523
Because Gotenks was absorbed unlike Vegetto

>>149702379
You're forgetting that Vegetto was knocking Zamasu around and into buildings and before Trunks got the spirit bomb all he did was hold zamasu in place like the Spirit Sword, he didn't accomplish much before that

Also Vegetto knocked away the blast with one hand that before took the father son Galick Gun and kamehameha to stop

>>149702506
What difference does it make? Gotenks didn't have a barrier and he stayed together.

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People are crying about the potara asspull but it makes perfect sense.

The only really really Retarded asspull from Super is the retarded ritaul that makes a SSGod that still makes me mad.

>>149702504
Shitposting

Calling it right now. Goku, now in Trunks timeline will instant transmission to new namek and get some namek replacement to create the dragonballs. They will at least restore everything before Zamasu but maybe they will resurrect fucking everyone.

>>149702170
>obari pose on my dragonball
i thought i would never experience this

>>149702181
did you not watch the part where Vegetto mowed down zamasu to exhaustion and zamasu falling apart and Vegetto almost finished him? Trunks is already fighting the crumbling down zamasu, in fact its easier to hit zamasu at that point because his speed went drastically down because of the buff.

>>149702537
How does that make sense though? Fuck, wouldn't Buu's insides want Vegito to stay together?

>fusions are now completely unreliable and useless

wew lad

>>149702036
m-more please
I want to see a dick up his gooey ass

>>149702563
Gotenks didn't live. He was a part of buu unlike Vegetto. That is why he stayed together

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>>149702534
Kaioshins were a mistake

>tfw Trunks is the strongest

Haha suck it fags. Especially Gohancucks.

>>149702480
He doesn't need or want blue. He is taking the pure path of ningen strength instead of pussying out and sucking God schlong like Goku and Veggeta. He's the clean lifter to Goku's roid monster.

ITS OVER VEGETTOFAGS. JUST YOU HAVE TO WAIT 20 YEARS MORE...

>>149702537
But why? Buu wanted Vegito fused for his power why wouldn't he keep him together?

>>149702599
He isn't. He was borrowing energy.

>>149702483
They're in it strictly for the money. DB is a corpse being dragged through concrete on the way to the bank.

>>149702583
Buu's insides have not absorbed Vegetto. They are not in the same situation at all.

>>149702534
Kaioshins knew, it was just because East Kaioshin was the youngest and his senpai were killed by buu

>>149702584
Good. the concept of it is freaking stupid

>Wew this guy is fucking strong as fuck you know what lets just fuse our two strongest guy and call it a day xDDD

>>149702502
>now that non kai's are actually using potara fusion

Except when they did back in the Buu saga, and they were given information by the oldest and wisest kaioshin.

There's no need to make excuses for Toei here: they never make any sense. They have fucked up since original dragonball and decided to try and make their mark on the source material again, penning in their own little ideas.

>>149702504
He was defeated to make Trunks seem more powerful by comparison.
That's jobbing.

>>149702589
You are saying Buu's body kept Gotenks together but separated Vegito for no reason.

>>149702589
WHY did he stay together though? Both of them were inside Buu, both had the same "bad air" Goku speculated on.

>>149702558
Yes, yes he did. But despite all the successful attacks ZamasuG was unperterbed. Vegitto is more enduring but SSS Trunks has far more potential to damage.

>>149702605
He didn't have a choice in the matter since Vegetto was never absorbed.

Being a God in the DB Universe is the most overrated thing ever.

Fucking Dende is a God and even Mr. Satan could kick his ass.

>>149702641
Did you even watch any wrestling match you fucking retard.

>>149700648
i never appreciated how well dbz was animated until i watched dbs

>>149702646
Only one of them got absorbed by buu
>>149702644
Buu's body didn't absorb Vegetto

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>>149701931
of course not

>>149700648
Why do half of DB videos (specially with Funi dub) on Youtube have this weird awful filter on them.

>>149702371
Revive Cell and have him kill Gohan for the ultimate irony

>>149702650
>Buu
>Being who has complete control of his body on a molecular level
>Didn't have a choice in separating Vegito

>>149702582
Zamasu was crumbling from the first explosion that turned him to jelly. There is no major difference. Further, the Vegitto energy sword did NOTHING whereas Trunks cleaved that kami.
Your argument doesn't compute.

>Potara is nerfed because Vegitto is too Powerful
>Vegitto rekked fused zamazu less than 10 minutes
>Weakened fused Zamazu getting sliced from his dick by genki dama's sword Trunks
>Great Animation

Seems like 8.5/10 episode to me.

Dont know why you all so butthurt kek.

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>>149702504
to job means to lose to make someone else look better. Vegetto may have been winning but they wrote in the "1 hour" time limit and the "Higher Ki burns the fusion faster" thing from GT so they could have him not finish the fight and set up Trunks to get the kill.

Vegetto only showed up to give scale to Zamasu's power, to give weight to Trunks beating him.

Vegetto is Trunk's fluffer and Zamasu is a big meaty vagina.

He is Daily Dose personified at the same time.

>>149702672
Why does "absorbing" him make any difference? Goku said it was the air. Gotenks was exposed to the air. Fuck, Buu even made Gotenks fuse inside his body!

>>149702452
why are all of Bulma's kids mary sues?

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>People crying about asspulls and retcons

Lets just forget that humans with metal parts and a pink gum created by a literally who 50000000000 years ago is stronger than the hitler of the universe most feared guy in the fucking galaxy?

>>149702695
They don't like that Trunks is the new strongest unfused sayian.

>>149702664
The anime jobbing, anon, not the wrestling jobbing.

>Have to run away twice like pussies
>Forget the talisman for the stupid pot thing
>Fusion only last 1 hour on mortals
>They used up the energy to fuse
>Trunks

This was a trash arc. I'm glad it's over.

>>149702704
>to job means to lose
>Vegetto may have been winning but

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>>149702717
This is the difference, they are hooked up directly to buu

>>149702695
>Dont know why you all so butthurt kek.

Because Vegetto became Gogeta tier and Trunks used the power of friendship to save the day.
Just need people to realize how ridiculous Goku's power was this episode too.

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Start saving that allowance money you fucking neets.

Also does anyone know what the OST was called when Vegito first started fighting Zamasu?

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Dragon Ball always has retcons. Always.

You guys care too much

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hi

>Vegetto was supposed to Make Ningens Great Again

>it does his son

I'm ok with this

>>149702719
At least her daughter is only a sue in an unofficial fanfiction

>>149702746
So, they're more in contact with Buu and his bad air?

>>149700392
>Vegetto barely stronger than Goku alone
>and that was before Goku got an additional zenkai from the senzu
>the same Goku that was getting rekt by clones by Black

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>>149702695
They promised us Vegetto and gave us Gogeta shaped like Vegetto

>>149702790
>Vegetto barely stronger than Goku alone

Only Kaioken Blue did anything to Zamasu

>>149702740
Not him, but having the match end without conclusion isn't losing. The fusion ended prematurely.

>>149702747

>Because Vegetto became Gogeta tier

Vegetto is too OP anyway.

>Trunks used the power of friendship to save the day

Just like 99% of action Anime.

>>149702777
I don't see them being in contact with any air, in fact they are housed up.

>>149702740
yeah, he unfused and got smacked. You're baiting really hard or just retarded.

Also, taking two parts of a comment and putting them next to each other to make them look like they contradict by leaving out the middle part is something only people without an actual argument do.

I accept your concession.

>>149702723
You make a good point honestly
Growing up with that shit made us so used to it that we're less likely to question or get mad over it

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Godspeed Zamassu

U7 didn't deserve you

>a character that isn't goku or vegeta gets to do something
>people complain

This is why DBS will continue being the Goku and Vegeta Show.

Someone draw SSB Vegito and SS4 Gogeta saying "let's have a quick match"

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>>149702761
hello

OFFICIAL POWER RANKINGS
TRUNKS (sss)>VEGGITO>ZAMASU GOD>BLACK (ssr)>GOKU (ssb)>VEGGETA (ssb)

>>149702818
Faces are right there, getting a nice fresh breath of Buu's farts.

>toei just added vegito to this arc to nerf him and make a quick buck on his new action figures

vegito fans must feel so used

>>149702861
Atleast he is canon.

>>149702852
Trunks isn't stronger than Vegetto
SSS won't catch on, stop trying.

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>Vegitto became a jobber

MAKE DRAGONBALL GREAT AGAIN

>>149702852
But Zamasu god beat Vegito

>>149700687
What an odd coincidence that they defused right as they get absorbed by Buu.

It's almost like how Trunks somehow knew Vegetto would suddenly defuse barely 7 min in and rushed in.

Trunks new form should be called Mortal Trunks and the move that killes zamasu should be Mortal Blow

>>149702684
Some Funi releases had a "remastering" done to them with 16:9, higher saturation, filters, etc. Shit video, but their remaster dub was much better than the original especially for the earlier sagas. They also reworked the music too in some areas at least.

>>149702639
remember though that Gowasu is from the 10th universe and had no clue about vegito before this