So why do people consider this to be the "best" part?

Part 4 fags have always been a vocal minority yelling memes like MUH SOL MUH ROHAN. I'm glad anime watchers finally will BTFO them.

>>149513593
It's mindless and really entertaining fun. That's what people like more about JoJo at the end of the day. Other parts are more of a chore.

>>149513593
8>5>6>7>4>2>3>1

It's not really that great but it's a landslide better than 3. Though it does have crappy animation in the anime second half.

>>149513593
>People say Kira is the best villain. He gets his shit kicked in and his dad pretty much takes his role
I don't think you understand why people like Kira.

>>149513977
>I don't think you understand why people like Kira.

Because he's autistic so the fanbase identifies with him?

>>149513723
7>2>5>8>3>4>6>1

Part 7 is when jojo becomes genuinely good. Before that it's just enjoyable.

People only say that because half of part 3 is a boring slog.

>>149513593
Part 4 is better than any part before it, but worse than any that comes after.

Anyone who thinks part 3 is better is full of shit. Its a fucking slog that's 20 episodes too long.

So far part 4 has been better just because it has a bigger cast of characters. Part 3 had 5 main characters and pretty much took a rotation for the most of episodes so shit slowed down and kinda dragged on at points. Just having a bigger cast lets them mash up random people per episode and give shit a fresh spin all the time. Not saying its the best part it just flows a little nicer than part 3 did.

>>149513723
Animefag reporting in.
2>3>1=4

>>149514775
But Anon, 5 is immediately after 4

>>149513723
>>149514354
>5 in the top 3
>ever
This should be a bannable offence

>>149515209
I bet you like part 6 too.

>>149514877
>Just having a bigger cast lets them mash up random people per episode and give shit a fresh spin all the time

Like? Almost no characters reappear to play major roles outside their arcs.

>>149515353
Yup. Every even part is better than the odd part the preceded it.

7>5>2>6>4>3>1

Objective

>People say Kira is the best villain
He is pretty great, even if the anime's pacing is kind of weird. Yoshihiro isn't actually doing anything besides running around, how's that taking his role?

>People say all the characters are developed
Who says that? JoJo is my favorite manga and Part 4 is my third favorite JoJo part but l wouldn't dare to call the series well written or it's characters well developed. l like it because it's fun and the situations and abilities creative and unique.

>>149515478
We'll see, lets give it the odds even test.
>7
Haven't included 8 so you're fine here
>5
Above 6. Fucked it up already.
>3
Below 4. If only you didn't fuck it up with five
>1
Below 2, looking fine.

You were so close but you couldn't even make it past the first round of testing.

>>149515400
>Yup
Thought so.

The anime version is pretty underwhelming to be honest.

>>149515575
>3
>Below 4.
But this is right

>>149513977
Kira is definitely the worst villain. Actually got himself caught because he got angry with a couple of delinquents and killed them.

animeonly fag here, part 4 is my favorite so far

>>149515802
This desu. Manga Highway star was amazing, anime was just meh. Which is a pity because David nailed everything up to Red Hot Chilli pepper.

>>149515833
It is. That's how it works. Every even is better than the preceeding odd.
6>5
4>3
2>1
Hopefully also
8>7
Let's be fair, beetlemania was top shelf and has probably gotten 8 half way there already.

>>149515834
He was suppressing his urges for too long.
It's more like he got caught because he screamed like a retard in the streets.

>>149513723
Animefag
2>4>1(what I can very vaguely recall from it)>3

>>149515926
This opinion has the official oddsevens seal of approval. You might not be as right as other people but at least you're not wrong.

3 > 2 > 1 > 4

That said I like Johnathan more than Joseph who's obnoxious more than anything

>>149516069
If you don't even like Joseph how is 2 that high? Other than Joseph, only stroheim does anything in the entire part.

7>5>4>2>6=3>1

>>149516158

It stays interesting because it's a constant narrative that flows steadily from start to end.

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>>149514775
>episodes
Kira kills Okuaysu but he comes back to life anyway thanks to asspull and saves Josuke. kira's head gets run over by an ambulance.

>>149515005
>but anon best part is immediately after 4
Yeah what's your point?

>>149516296
It's a slog in the manga too anon. Granted not as much of a slog, but still a slog. The majority of the stands in Part 3 are pure shit. The arcs don't start getting consistently good until like Oingo and Boingo, and even then there's still garbage like Alessi in the mix. There are a few good ones in the first "half" to break up the shit like Death 13, but it's still by and large a shit show.

>>149513593
Yeah I really don't get the SOL label. Maybe in manga form it's more apparent but the anime feels like an action show with long comedy segments. Even more plot driven SOL like Barakamon or Silver Spoon feel nothing like Part 4.

>>149516492

how is death 13 bad? won't deny there's some boring episodes but so many of them are interesting and the payoff at the end is always satisfying

literally no one cares in what order anyone ranks their favourite jojo parts

>>149516535
>how is death 13 bad?
Sorry I forgot to put in a comma. I meant to imply that Death 13 was one of the better stands in the wake of all the shit in the first half.

>but so many of them are interesting and the payoff at the end is always satisfying
They're interesting as far as how out of left field some of their concepts are, but that goes for a lot of stands in the series. Part 3 isn't really unique in that regard, and much of what it does well is done better in Parts 4 and 5. A lot of them aren't even that interesting at all. Wheel of Fortune and Strength are just vehicles, Khnum is just a shittier Yellow Temperance, most of the main cast's stands have JRPG tier abilities, Tower of Grey is just a really quick beetle, so on and so forth.

>>149515209
>>149515353
5 and 6 are the worst parts, sorry

It's hilarious watching the progress of mangafags over the years of these adaptations. Eventually there won't be any manga left for you to backpedal into saying was actually the best one all along.

>>149517421
>Implying Part 7 and 8 will ever get adapted.

>>149516296
This is pretty easy to explain. Nigga just wasn't dead. Josuke just thought he was due to stress and having Kira right in front of him.

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>>149517518
Nigga look at his fucking life dust go. He was dead. Dead.

Top tier: 2,7
High tier: 4,5
Mid tier: 3,1
Low tier: 6
Not yet finished tier: 8

>>149517679
>Life dust
Yeah. No nigga. Unless his spirit flies up and he gives the cliche "go get him my dude" monologue he aint dead. If he had "died" like Joseph I'd call it an asspull.

>>149513593
Part 4 is a cozy ass slice of Jojo life that's leagues better than previous parts before it.

>>149517801
You going to asspull me too? Fuck off, Araki.

>>149517844
I don't think you know what that word means, anon.

>>149513593
because its Nichibros + Stand

>>149517959
>because its Nichibros

No it's not

To be fair, the anime is sort of more MoW esque then the manga is just due to it having to fit into anime episodes and how they choose to pace it

in the manga it's not quite as directly segregated.

7>4>2>8>6>3>5>1

I expect 5 to move up 1-2 spots when it gets an anime, I think it'll benefit from one

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>>149517518
Okayasu was definitely dead.

I'm probably the minority animeonlyfag that absolutely hates Part 4 and liked all the other parts way more.

>>149518297
Prove it.

>>149516741

Not that guy but I think Part 3 at least has the grace to keep its encounters clean and compact, so at least if an idea doesn't translate well it doesn't hang around too long.

One of the failures of later parts is when they drag on things too long, which can be okay for climactic fights but really awful for filler. Part 5 is particularly bad in this regard, where even a high-profile fight that started out well could wear out its welcome. To give one example, White Album could have had a perfectly acceptable resolution the first time they got at the enemy's neck hole, but it kept going after that and it felt like the fight was being artificially prolonged. This is fine if it happens occasionally to signify a tough opponent, but not when it happens in practically every fight (the final boss being a notable exception.)

>>149513593
It's like a better part 3, but the official best ranking (of the first 4) is 2 > 1 > 4 > 3

>>149513593
Another anime only fag:

2>1=3>4

I was thinking on picking the manga but after the disappointment that 4 has been so far i'm afraid of going in.

As a mangafag,I still say Part 4 is my favorite.

>>149516296
>Kira kills Okuaysu but he comes back to life anyway thanks to asspull and saves Josuke. kira's head gets run over by an ambulance.
...driven by rohan

>>149513593
>people actually fell for the part 4 meme
Part 5 is even worse, don't let the vocal minority who will rush to defend it fool you. Part 6 onwards is good.

>>149517421
The part 4 manga is still the best one. Eat shit animefags, as you know no better.

>>149521089
Just started reading part 5. Is it really that bad?

>>149521181
No it really isn't. It probably has the best fights on average out of any part. My only problem with it was Giorno, the main villain, and the ending.

>>149521181
It gets worse each fight

>>149521181
It's part 3, but gayer.

>>149521181
Good fights,overall shit story and characters(with a few exceptions)

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>>149513593
Animeonly detected

>>149519380
>Not that guy but I think Part 3 at least has the grace to keep its encounters clean and compact, so at least if an idea doesn't translate well it doesn't hang around too long.
That might be nice if Part 3 had mostly good fights with some occasional instances of bad arcs, but it's the opposite. Part 3 is flavor of the week and most of the flavors are bad. It's clear when reading it that Araki was really testing the waters for a while which, while good for his writing in the long run, doesn't make the arcs any better. Each individual arc may go by faster, but it makes the part as a whole feel like it goes on forever because it's lame stand after lame stand. The later parts may have instances of "forced" elongation, but those arcs and their stands are still better on a conceptual level. The occasional needless elongation is a blemish on an otherwise good fight, while Stardust's fights being shorter feels like a conciliation to the fact that you've had to sit through 3 or 4 bad arcs in a row.

>>149521063
Also Josuke's mom has sex with Jotaro and gives birth to Jolyne.

>>149521366
Except it has the best main crew out of all the parts and you're a fucking idiot.

>>149521422
Okay hold up. Can someone please fucking explain to me why everyone gives part 3 for being "villain of the week" when literally every single JoJo part is like this. I understand you're point that part 3's villains are lame, and I'm not talking about that. Just wondering why everyone pretends that JoJo hasn't ALWAYS been villain of the week.

>>149521578
Holy shit spelling and grammatical errors everywhere. Sorry. Haven't had coffee yet.

>>149521578
Part 3 gets blamed for being "villain of the week" more than other parts because it handles the villain of the week format worse than any of the other parts. Keep in mind that I am not denying that the other parts have a "villain of the week" set up. It's clear when reading Part 3 that Araki had no clue what he was doing with the stands early on, and thus they come off more as random shit than actual super powers. That's why I said "flavor of the week" not "villain of the week." I wholly accept the reality that parts 4-7 also have villain of the week set up. What sets them apart from Stardust is execution.

>>149514393
This is the only correct post in the thread. JJBA is vastly overrated by it's fans who haven't read other good manga.

>>149521710
>Overrated
>Series got itself a Gucci deal along with having its art displayed at The Louvre
>Influential manga series spawning several iconic imagery and poses that frequently shown in other mainstay series such as Street Fighter and King of Fighters

>>149521707
Oh yeah I know what you meant. Should have clarified more. I was more of just talking about how most people I've talked to don't share your view on this subject. They just blame part 3 for being villain of the week and pretend the rest of the series isn't.

>>149521837
Nothing of that speaks of the actual quality of the series' writing, drama, or characters. Being influential does not automatically make something a masterpiece. Astro Boy is one of the most, if not the most, influential anime in existence and I can tell you that it's absolute garbage when compared to what came after it as well as the other series made by Tezuka.

>>149513723
7>4>2>3>6>5>1

Not gonna judge 8 until it ends since 50% of a jojo story is how ramped up the final villain looks.

>>149521857
While they are wrong, I think this line of thinking is just a testament to how much better handled to the format is in part 4 onwards. Part 3 is almost everything people hate about the villain of the week format, so they criticize it for it. Part 4 and beyond is such a fresher take on it that it hardly even registers as villain of the week to them. Again, that doesn't mean they're correct, but I think it definitely says something about the differences between Part 3 and the rest of the series.

>>149521837
>Having a Gucci deal and art in the louvre are markers of good manga
Ok then, incidentally the louvre shit only happened deep into lifespan of SBR, when the manga became GOAT tier.

>People ripping off poses make a manga good
Ok then. Literally every pose in JJBA is from a fashion magazine anyway.

The only reason people give JJBA a pass is because stands a unique concept and Araki is great at putting tension in fights. In terms of story, JJBA is terrible until pretty much now, in terms of art is goes up and down between parts. It shouldn't even be considered in a list of top 10 manga, maybe not even top 20.

>>149521409
Jojonie detected

>>149521948
>Astro Boy is one of the most, if not the most, influential anime in existence and I can tell you that it's absolute garbage when compared to what came after it
This is the most retarded argument I've ever seen. It's like saying Isaac Newton was a braindead fuckwit because modern mathematicians and physicists are a lot more knowledgeable than he was.

>>149521837
>Popular = good

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>mfw people say Part 2 is the best

>>149522170
>comparing art to science
No. What I brought up about things coming out after Astro Boy being better is to be taken in conjunction with what I said about Tezuka's other works. My point is that there was things both in and out of Astro Boy's day that were better than it. When you're one of the first to do something that gains you respect as a pioneer, but it doesn't automatically make your story, characters, and concepts quality material. There are many things from the past that still hold up today, that can remain both influential and good products in their own right. Astro Boy is not a part of that club.

>>149522303
>When you're one of the first to do something that gains you respect as a pioneer, but it doesn't automatically make your story, characters, and concepts quality material
Technique is justa s important as any of these other things mentioned, arguably moreso even. Just because you're too much of a plebian to understand this doesn't change the fact.

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>>149518748

I tried to read part 4. It blew

>>149517826
fuck off

>>149522462
Sick rebuttal man.

>>149522527
I tried to read your post. It blew

>>149520732
5 is more like 3 in the way that it's structured. Not sure if you'll like the art style going full twink though. 6 is an okay part. Pucci is easily the most hands-on villain since the Pillar Men and I think it does a good job of wrapping up the original story.

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>>149522585
Thanks buddy

>>149513723
4>8>6=7>2>3>1>5

>>149522389
What exactly do you mean by technique in terms of JJBA being considered an excellent manga. It's already been established that the one thing it does well is stand fights and everything else is lacking in quality or fluctuates in quality up to a certain point.

JJBA wasn't even that much of a big deal when it was being serialised, it stayed alive due to tankobon sales and because WSJ didn't immediately axe everything that came out back then. JJBA is far less influential than you might think, fucking hell Sakigake Otokojuku was at one point a much bigger name for WSJ than JJBA, even after stands were introduced. It's influence is mainly through muh poses, only a few things take concepts in JJBA and use them as a backbone of their manga (Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh! are two I can think of).

4>8=7>6>5>2>3>1
Prove me wrong.

>>149513723

7 > 4 > 8 > 5 > 6 > 2 > 3 > 1

>>149523053
You can't judge 8 yet
Valentine is a better villain than Kira, and so is Pucci
Art in part 7 is fucking amazing, if kind awkward at first, but not nearly as awful as early part 4
Jesus is there
Gyro Zeppeli

>>149523053
>>149523330
>>149523123
Also part 3 is better than part 2 in spite of the Jojo

>>149523330
>You can't judge 8 yet
Only 59 chapters out and I already like it more than any other part

>>149523330
>You can't judge 8 yet
I think it's gone on long enough that you can. It has top tier art, an engaging story which is similar but still distinctly different from previous themes in the manga, great characters and amazing stand designs, powers and fights.

Short of ballsing it up dramatically with the final boss, which hasn't happened so far (including Diavolo, even if he was a little underwhelming) I don't think Part 8 can objectively be ranked in the lower half of JJBA parts rankings.

For me so far, I'd say:
7 > 4 > 8 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 5 > 6
I never got the hype with Parts 2, 5 or 6. I think Part 5 had good fights but I rank 2 higher because at least it was over faster.

>>149513593
>>People say Kira is the best villain. He gets his shit kicked in and his dad pretty much takes his role

you wanna see a main villain who just goes around and makes stand users to protect himself

>Part 5 is shit on for years by the western fanbase
>good scans and translations come out
>it ""suddenly""" starts gets popular

It's like you some of you fags just skipped the part and shitposted instead.

>>149523559
Where do you think you are?

5>6>3>1>4>2
literally only enjoyable arc in part 4 was bite the dust

7 > 4 > 2 > 3 = 6 > 5 > 1

>>149523421
>>149523471
But there's no main villain

>>149523683
>Reading Duwang then claiming it's the true experience
>5 at top
>2>1
Here's (You)r thing, now commit sudoku

>>149523774
>3=6
>2 that high
>3>5
I can't believe people can have this shit taste

>people hating on 2 because animefags loved it
What a sad place this is

>>149524185
Literally nobody gave a shit about part 2 until the anime came out

>>149524185
I don't hate part 2, I'm just saying it's not nearly as good as everything that comes after
Also
>people
>as in, multiple people
>he didn't realize

>>149524185
Sorry if I like my series to have more than 3 interesting characters, and fights that aren't solved through complete bullshit.

>>149524020
There is, we just don't know who it is yet. People are obviously extrapolating their ranking for Part 8 based on the quality of existing chapters and the fact that most of the time the final boss fight in JJBA is the best part of that particular Part.

>>149524262
>wants fights that aren't solved through complete bullshit
>reads Jojo's Bizzare Adventure

>>149524020
It's obviously fucking Joubin why is everyone here so retarded?

1>2>3>4>5>6>7>8

>>149524315
Call me when anything as ridiculous as Joseph pulling his arm up a sleeve that doesn't exist happens post Part 3.

>>149524262
>I like series with interesting characters and fights that aren't solved through complete bullshit
That's cool. What the fuck are you doing in a jojo thread then?

>>149524185
Part 2 has always been overrated by /a/
>Terrible anatomy proportions and art wasn't great compared to it's contemporaries
>Piss poor writing throughout (even by JJBA's poor writing standards)
>All fights involving Joseph we're won through 100% asspulls
>Worst characters out of any part with the exception of based Wham

>>149524020
There's pretty clearly a main villain, it's just to the point where it wasn't completely obvious for a while. Joubin's seriously been taking up the villain mantle lately and is the antagonist that's been around the longest.

>>149524361
Back to HnK with you.

>>149524269
>most of the time the final boss fight in JJBA is the best part of that particular Part.
inb4 JJL pulls a Vento Aureo

>>149523330
Pucci is garbage.

>>149524333
Kaato-wait no, trips confirm

>>149524392
>Implying JJBA has bad characters
>Implying most fights post part 3 aren't resolved through utilization of pre-established abilities of the protagonists.

>>149524262

I don't think the number of characters is very relevant to the quality of a particular story. I've read at least one memorable short story with no characters in it.

As for your second point, such a thing doesn't exist in Jojo.

>>149524429
Pucci is in the middle at worst. He shits on DIO, Kars, and Diavolo any day.

>>149524429
Better than MUH HANDS MUH QUIET LIFE MUH KITTY
At least he had a set goal and actual ambition.

Manga > annamay

>>149524410
Still, that's the only time that has happened. I didn't like the majority of Part 6 but the final fight was amazing, so hopefully Araki learnt from his mistake in Part 5.

Tbh the final fight in Part 5 wasn't even all bad, just mostly bad.

>>149524465
>I don't think the number of characters is very relevant to the quality of a particular story.
It is when the majority of your cast is uninteresting. If Part 2 had only 3 characters which were those 3 interesting characters, then you wouldn't see me complaining. It's about ratios.

>As for your second point, such a thing doesn't exist in Jojo.
>>149524443

>>149524465
>Such a thing doesn't exist in Jojo
Then i guess you haven't read part 8, or any of the later parts where the majority of fights aren't won by bullshit.

>>149524499
>Villains must be ambitious in order to be compelling characters
wew fucking lad

>>149524555
To be honest, I did enjoy part 5's final fight, I just think there was too much shit going on
>THE PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL WORLD IS FUSING AND ALSO WE'RE EVOLVIING QUICKLY WHATEVER THAT MEANS

7 > 2 > 8 (what we've seen, I predict it will end up overtaking 2) > 5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 1

>>149522953
>the one thing it does well is stand fights

JJBA was better before the stands.

>>149524640
This. I still to this day consider Part 5's ending to be the worst by a while. It's just a clusterfuck of shit and there's no genuine fight on confrontation with Diavolo at all. Even Pucci, as strong as he was, was still actually being fought by the team in the finale.

>>149524687
8 (so far it's been the most enjoyable.) >7>4>3>5>3>1>2

>>149524443
I'm not implying that the characters in JJBA are bad. I'm outright stating that it has no characters, only a bunch of plastic figures with a couple of shallow behavioural quirks attached to them. If you honestly think any of the writing in this series is anything but lowest common denominator I seriously worry for you. Go read a fucking book, you goddamn philistine.

>>149524697
>>149524406

>>149524437
Other than my trips confirming it, kaato was very obviously a subordinate of Joubin.

>>149524697
Seconding.

Stands are fucking stupid. I doubt I'll bother with part 5

>>149524499
Kira's desire to live a quiet life rather than take over the world while laughing maniaclly is what made him interesting.

>>149524744
>I'm outright stating that it has no characters, only a bunch of plastic figures with a couple of shallow behavioural quirks attached to them.
You've mistaken the cast of Part 3 with every character in Jojo.

>>149524406
Honoo no Kokuin? What has Garo got to do with Jojo?

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>>149524744
>It has no characters

>>149524855
Except part 3 has the most character development of all the parts, which isn't saying much really.

7 > 4 > 8 > 2 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 1

>>149524744
*tips autism*

>>149524937
>most character development
It had character development, but not the most. Not by a long shot.

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>>149524937
>Except part 3 has the most character development of all the parts

>>149524988
You'd have an argument if shit like the evolution of Koichi's stand was actual character development. The only character that comes to mind throughout parts 4-6 is FF and even then it's very minimal.
>>149525008
Cool image man you sure convinced me with that quality argument.

>>149524697
>>149524765
You people are either baiting or Hokuto no Ken is your favourite manga of all time, there was nothing that Hamon did which wasn't done a trillion times better with Hokuto Shinken. Not to mention HnK was masterfully written up until the second half whereas JJBA is full of plotholes throughout the whole thing.

>>149524603
>WEW LAD I WIN THIS ARGUMENT XDXDXD
Anyway Kira is just an autist who wants to be left alone while he murders like an episodic villain in CSI. Pucci has an actual backstory to why he's so autist (instead of "lol fetishes"), And his ambitions are part of his character too, since he's a priest, he SHOULDN'T be ambitious, yet that's the main characterising strength: he claims to be a man of god, but he's an hypocrite. He's rich, powerful, violent, partakes in rituals that are probably VERY pagan in nature (the green baby is the alchemiest shit I've seen), and his master plan is "God works in mysterious ways" taken to the logical extreme: spoiling everyone of their own life and having them live it over and over again,
And best of all, it's his own plan. I'm saying this because one of the most common complaints I've heard is "PUCCI WAS SO HOMO HE EVEN STOLE DIO'S PLAN LEL", but Dio only provided the MEANS for Heaven, Dio's Heaven, while probably similar to Pucci's, meant that he would simply become a god and change reality at will, while Pucci's is more universal, and is done witht he main aim to "help" everyone. Which reflects their natures and ambitions too: DIO wants power and self-betterment, while Pucci has a more Priest-like objective: to help everyone cope with Destiny, by showing them, coming from the sorrow he felt when trying to stop his brother's sins, and believing he simply wouldn't care if he knew he had to do it, so everyone should share this sentiment
It's like 12pm and English isn't my first language, fuck

>>149524734
>1>2
no
>no 6
???

>>149525183
Sorry I forgot to include six, instead I added three two times. Would be the first 3.

2 Is probably better written than 1 but I cared more about what was going on in Phantom blood than I did Battle tendency. And I prefer the setting/tone more than I do Battle tendency.

>>149525130
All the character development that happens in Part 3 is pretty much all forced into the last arcs. Polnareff is the only character who steadily develops over the course of the entire part. Kakyoin's development, while having potential, was wasted by its execution. Avdol is the most static of all, and was never that interesting to begin with. Jotaro doesn't start to develop until the later parts, and Joseph never develops in his entire life. Iggy is the only other character with actual development and even then it's not all that revolutionary. Johnny alone has more development than every character in Part 3. Also, development is not the only way to creating a compelling character. A character can live and die mostly the same way and still be good, as long as they were a compelling character in the first place. I'm not saying that Araki is a master at making characters, but to say that everyone outside of Part 3 is shallow reeks of ulterior contrarianism.

>>149525153
I never said anything about Pucci being a worse character than Kira dumbass. I'm responding to your retarded notion that Kira can't be a compelling character because he's not ambitious, which you haven't addressed at all other than "clever" use of meme phrases.

>>149525153
I get what you are saying but manga has an overwhelming large number of diabolical/world domination villains, regardless of motive. Someone who only wants to live a normal life despite not being normal in any way is more interesting to read about than the same old shit over and over again, no matter how much sense it makes from a story line perspective.

>>149525133
Actually HnK is a lot like part 3 in that every fight is solved by "MC punches the hardest".

>>149525442
This right here. both Kira and Diavolo's motives to just be left the fuck alone are what makes them interesting. They don't give a shit about taking over or changing the world.

>>149525329
Hell even sandman had more development than most of the part 3 characters and he ended up becoming a minor villain.

Honestly as long as we understand who they are as a person and what their stance is, they can be compelling characters. As you said something we only really get for polnareff. And even then Joshuu is starting unironically beat him out in terms of actual character growth.

>>149525490
Fucking this. No idea why people pretend HnK isn't just this.

>>149525153
But Anon is right, Kira doesn't need ambition. Stone Ocean has much higher stakes than DiU, so it makes sense for it to have a more ambitious villain. Kira having a grandiose scheme or elaborate backstory like Pucci wouldn't fit in with Part 4's tone at all.

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>>149525329
>the entire first half of the post
I never said the character development in 3 was something masterful. I said the contrary, actually. And yet it's still miles ahead of the following three parts.
>Johnny alone has more development than every character in Part 3
Wouldn't know, honestly. I completely lost all interest in jojo right after part 6 and haven't went any further. Spoil me all you want, I can't really find it in myself to give a shit any longer.
>Also, development is not the only way to creating a compelling character. A character can live and die mostly the same way and still be good, as long as they were a compelling character in the first place
You'd have a point of Josuke or Giorgio were compelling in any way. Josuke is just inconsistent and severely lacking in any character features, which is only slightly compensated by his slight charisma. Jolyne is just a female Josuke with less charisma and a case of daddy issues. I don't think I even need to mention Giorgio. In all the threads I've been to I've never seen anyone say anything positive about him.
Granted, part 3 Jotaro wasn't that great either, but the dynamic of Iggy, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Abdul felt far more charming and natural than what we got in part 4, where almost every interaction seemeed to be strictly a plot necessity.

>>149525608
Bottom for Hayato's 9w9 face.

>>149525622
>Any interaction seemed strictly plot necessary.
>Literally have scenes where Okuyasu and Josuke take time out of the plot to talk about dumb shit constantly.

>>149525490
>>149525541
>t. People who have never read Hokuto no Ken

>>149525721
I don't doubt it. I just seem to be forgetting pretty much most of it. Might have something to do with it being just that, dumb shit that doesn't give any insight into the characters or give a sense of what their relationship is like. Part 5 was least guilty of 4-6 when it came to this honestly.

>>149525828
The entire Shigechi fight had loads of insight into Josuke and Okuyasu's relationship though.

>>149525828
If you didn't like the lack of character growth or development in parts 4-6, you MIGHT actually probably like 7-8 better. 7 and 8 in particular have some of the better and memorable characters in the series, as well as tighter plots and the writing quality sky rocketed. (Granted 7 does have a couple of flaws like being very liberal in killing off main characters left and right.) They all work well with fun character relationships. You stopped reading at the parts you might have liked the best, is all I'm trying to say.They feel like a different manga at some parts, while still referencing and not getting rid of the charm of the earlier parts.

I disagree though on the part 4 topic. I'll freely admit that part 4 might not be as good as everybody says it is, but the random conversations give a bit of personality to the characters. Such as Josuke's love for money, and random comments that make him seem like a nice guy, but to a certain point he can let his selfish nature get the best of him. Random little bits of dialog at least show his friendship off with Okuyasu. Even if it doesn't go any further than that. It had at least as much of those scenes as part 3 did.

>>149525931
Pretty much this. I forgot to bring it up here >>149526075
but the shigechi fight was pretty important in terms of finding out a lot about these characters, made it one of the highlights about part 4.

>>149525622
>I never said the character development in 3 was something masterful.
Then we're in agreement on that at least.

>You'd have a point of Josuke or Giorgio were compelling in any way. Josuke is just inconsistent and severely lacking in any character features, which is only slightly compensated by his slight charisma.
Josuke is compelling because of how well he complements the setting and tone of his part. He's by far the most relatable Jojo, and seeing his balance between his good heart and propensity for mischief is endearing. At the point of reading Part 4 it's also nice to have a character who has the ability to genuinely fuck up. Flaws make him feel more human, which is the source of much of his charm as a character.
>Jolyne is just a female Josuke with less charisma and a case of daddy issues.
Jolyne has more development than Josuke. They're similar characters, but Jolyne starts off much more petty and has a much more "adult" feel to her. Her relationships are also quite different from Josuke's

>I don't think I even need to mention Giorgio. In all the threads I've been to I've never seen anyone say anything positive about him.
Giorno is my least favorite Jojo by far so I definitely agree that he lacks a lot, but even so he is still interesting because of his parallels with his father. It could have been capitalized on much more, but it's still there.

>but the dynamic of Iggy, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Abdul felt far more charming and natural than what we got in part 4, where almost every interaction seemeed to be strictly a plot necessity.
You can't be serious
>what is Let's Eat Italian Food
>what is Shigechi's Harvest
>what is Yukako Yamagishi Dreams of Cinderella
>what is Let's Go Hunting
>what is I am an Alien

>>149526158
>At the point of reading Part 4 it's also nice to have a character who has the ability to genuinely fuck up
By fuck up you mean never get injured in any meaningful way and have the completely broken Jesus ability that prevents any of the main characters from dying, which eliminated all feeling of tension from the whole arc? Or him being able to recruit every enemy he comes across into ranks of ally just because he's that awesome and perfect? Okay, I guess.

>>149513723
4>7>2>6=5=3>1

>>149526249
>Rohan hates him
>Hazamada hates him
>Tamami liked Koichi more
Most of the people who Josuke beat don't even like him that much, even after they become allies. If anything they take way more to Koichi than they do Josuke. Also Josuke's ability makes it easier to explain why characters recover from bad injuries instead of them just magically being better next arc like in part 3. Characters who die still stay dead. He can't bring the dead back to life. It really sounds like you mostly speed read.

>>149526335
>Most of the people who Josuke beat don't even like him that much, even after they become allies.
And that doesn't really matter when they help him out and hang around like buddies. The entire extent of them not liking him is an occasional snarky comment.
>Characters who die still stay dead. He can't bring the dead back to life.
And the only two that did die were plot devices that hardly got enough chapter time to get invested in in any way.

>>149526249
By fuck up I mean in terms of his character. Josuke can be awkward, he neglects things, he can get embarrassed, he can make mistakes. These things aren't major, as in someone dies as a result, but it adds life to his character. He doesn't feel as extreme as his predecessors who were a flawless angel, a complete mastermind, and an unbreakable badass.

>Or him being able to recruit every enemy he comes across into ranks of ally just because he's that awesome and perfect?
What? The only character Josuke every recruited of his own merit was Yuya and there was much better reasoning besides that mary sue diatribe you just typed. Just because the antagonists don't come back to murder him doesn't mean they've become his best friend because he's so perfect.

>>149526292
Superb taste

>>149526434
>Hang around like buddies
Okay. DiU's main theme is solving things without murdering people. Except for the point where they meet up to talk about the murderer in Morioh, exactly when the fuck do they hang out with the antagonists? Only two that would count are Yukako and Rohan, who technically weren't even antagonists. The most they do is lend a hand in the arc right after theirs.

>>149526335
>Characters who die still stay dead
except for okuyasu having his entire torso blown up?

>>149526737
Again, he didn't fucking die. His soul never left his body. He was just unconscious and perceived as dead during a time of stress in order to add tension to the fight. Why is this so hard for you retards to understand?

>>149526779
>he didn't fucking die
Yes he did.

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>>149527055
Then why is he still alive?

Check mate, atheist.

>>149527124
>Then why is he still alive?
Because Araki is a hack.

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>>149526779
you're being played like a damn fiddle

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>>149527149
>Every dying supporting character has a parting ghost before they actually die
>Okuyasu did not
>But he totally died guiz xD Araki is da hac

>>149527155
>Merely pretending
I hate this place.

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>tfw caught up on JoJo because you fell for the meme

>>149527190
Except only one supporting character died throughout the entire arc, unless you're counting Stardust Crusaders too, and if we're doing that, plenty side characters died without a ghost.

>>149527470
Talking supporting cast. Only one that didn't get one in SDC was Kakyoin.

if part 5 anime doesnt have an op as badass as sono chi no kioku im shooting up japan

>>149527149
This

>>149524227
But that's wrong. If you actually frequented this shithole back then you'd know that.

>>149524372
Your phone must be blowing up then, because that's the fucking tip of the iceberg. I mean part 5 alone...

>>149529292
Nice lie newfag

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>>149529292
Then get your alzheimers checked old man, part 2's always been beloved, and near the top of peoples shitty JJBA rankings. Which only makes me realise we've had this thread way to many fucking times. Fuck, I've had this fucking conversation too many fucking times. I need to stop. or at leats take a JJBA ranking thread break

See you in a few years for the same argument I guess

>>149529703
>>149529709
t. newfags

>>149514987
Fuck off with your shit taste, Jotaro dies

>>149529313
GER was unreasonably powerful, but you can't say it wasn't established prior. The entire arc leading up to it involves Diavolo trying to get the arrow so that he can use it to power himself up. Don't pretend like it's anywhere close to comparable to the kind of shit Joseph pulls in Part 2. That stuff is so ludicrous that it's practically breaking the 4th wall.

>>149513723
4>2>7>5=3>1>6
At least for me,

>>149521571
Half the crew was amazing.

The other half sucked ass.

>>149530947
Kys