Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

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A chance

I want to lick Anett's and Farka's bellies.

>>149509794
>The only villain here is you, Theo. There's only you

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Friendly reminder to not sexualize Inia. Thank you.

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Irisdina "Let Everyone Weep, I'm Going To Sleep" Bernhard!

>>149510075
Pump and dump Inia

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

>>149509875
I like to think he just stood there, contemplating what he had done, the questions he wishes he could now ask.

Rough transcript of this video I believe, say thanks to Superior-chan

http://sendvid.com/lz9fdhy1

２０００年７月某日
マージーサイド州 リヴァプール
2000, someday in July; Merseyside, Liverpool

【ニュースキャスター】「―正午のニュースです」
[Newscaster] "This is the news at noon."

【ニュースキャスター】「ドイツ民主共和国とドイツ連邦共和国との定例総会まで一週間を切り、定例総会会場では警備訓練が行われました」
[Newscaster] "One week before the end of the scheduled general meetings between East Germany and West Germany, a defence exercise was executed at the meeting grounds."

【ニュースキャスター】「昨日午後の訓練は、総会会場のあるケリー州ディングルでのテロ発生を想定し、国家人民軍第４１１大隊が中心となって行われました」
[Newscaster] "During the exercises yesterday afternoon, under the premise of the meeting area at Dingle, County Kerry, coming under a terror attack, the exercise was held, with the NVA 411st Battalion playing a central role."

【ニュースキャスター】「すでに会場周辺にはシュトラハヴィッツ派の支持者が集結しており、訓練は騒然としてた空気の中で実施されました」
[Newscaster] "The perimeter of the assembly location was inundated with Strachwitz faction supporters, and the exercise was carried out within that uproarious atmosphere."

>>149510317
【―】「…………」

【ニュースキャスター】「現在、欧州情勢は安定しているものの、継続的な掃討作戦げ必要であり、定例総会では共同漸減作戦について協議される予定になっています」
[Newscaster] "Now, even while European affairs are stable, the continuous search-and-destroy operations are necessary, and scheduled meetings are expected to tackle discussions regarding the joint culling operations".

【ニュースキャスター】「また、ドイツ民主共和国のエクハルト事務次官は、今回の定例総会では東西統一については検討されないと発言」
[Newscaster] "Also, Vice-Minister Eckhard of East Germany had no statements in this round of scheduled meetings concerning east-west unity."

【ニュースキャスター】「これに対し、野党キリスト教社会主義同盟党首のフリーデル氏は、民意を介さない判断であり、
承服できないとのコメントは出しました」
[Newscaster] "In response to that, the Christian Socialism Union opposition party leader Mr. Friedel, calling it a lack of mind for the public voice, released a comment voicing his disapproval."

【―】「…………」

【子供】「だから、絶対にアレはそうだって！間違いないいよ！」
[Kid 1] "I said, it was definitely around here! I'm sure of it!"

【子供】「嘘だ~！いるわけ無いじゃん」
[Kid 2] "You're lying! There's no way that can be true."

【子供】「うそじゃないて！絶対、黒き狼王も近きにいるから捜そうよ！サイン貰えるかも！」
[Kid 1] "I'm not lying! I'm sure I can find the Black King Wolf around here! Maybe to even get an autograph!"

【子供】「見間違いじゃね~の？だって、なんでこんな所にいるんだよ？あいつらドーヴァー基地にいるんだろ？」
[Kid 2] "Are you sure you saw correctly? Why would he be here? Aren't they supposed to be at Dover Base?"

【子供】「それわ……！きっと休暇かなんかで……」
[Kid 1] "That's b...! I'm sure it's something like them being on a holiday..."

【子供】「はいはい、妄想妄想~！」
[Kid 2] "Yeah yeah, dream on!"

【子供】「絶対、間違いじゃないよ！本当に、本当にそうだって！絶対あのエンブレムだった！」
[Kid 1] "I'm sure of it! It's really true! It was definitely their emblem!"

【子供】「あはは、マジになってる~！！」
[Kid 2] "Yeah, whatever~!"

【―】「…………」

【―】「ツェルベルス…………」
[?] "The Cerberus..."

【―】「…………」

【―】「頂きはまだ見えず、か……」
[?] "Looks like the summit still can't be seen..."

【―】「それでも…………足を止めることは許されない…………」
[?] "Even so... there's no way we can stop now..."

【―】「ならば、行こうじゃないか…………」
[?] "If that's the case, shall we go..."

【―】「…………求めし理想の場所へ」
[?] "...to the place with the ideals we wished for."

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>>149510317
Didn't you show these translations the other day? Either way, thanks, and thanks to Superior-chan.

The problem with quick translations for moments like this is they have to be very precise, even one word off chan change the whole meaning.

>>149509919
W-why would you do that? But it's smelly and sweaty there...

>>149510340
>CSU

absolutely disgusting

>>149510404
Wouldn't be so smelly after a lovely bath.

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And evil knew it not!

>>149510340
Hmmm, just some thoughts that struck me...

>"The Cerberus..."
The guardian dog of the Underworld/Hades

Notably, prevents people from leaving.

>"Looks like the summit still can't be seen..."
The mountain in the land of dreams, or alternately, the citadel, in Valhalla? Hell?

>"Even so... there's no way we can stop now..."
Could be, we can't stop trying to reach the land of dreams, not when we're so close. Or alternately, we have gone/fought too far into/to get to Hell to stop now.

>"If that's the case, shall we go..."
>"...to the place with the ideals we wished for."
Again, it could be fight back the darkness with our hearts pure, our hearts that we wished we had long ago. Or it could mean, we couldn't get out/others out of Hell with what we were then, but we can try once more.

It's odd, like I can grasp what he's saying, but can't quite explain it.

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>>149509919
Why am I always paired with my killer?

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>>149510340
>>149510696
If Theo really is the Master, than it sort of makes you wonder, since an anon dropped some threads ago that the Master wants human unity to stop the BETA, and survive at any cost. An attack allowing an opening into the one sole engine keeping the planet alive and fighting, it might be what's enough for people to stop fighting each other.

I guess Beatrix really did mean it when she said she'll see him in Valhalla.

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>>149510995
During the game of deathflags musical chairs, Farka was the first one out.

>>149510602
But it's wartime, baths are sort of a luxury ah...?

>>149511235
Not Inghild?

>>149510995
Would Farka like being princess-carried?

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>>149509794
Tru luv and a young girl's hope.

https://sendvid.com/lzrxslx7

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>>149511350
I don't think there is a girl in ML that wouldn't want to be princess carried. Hell a lot of men wouldn't mind being princess carried.

>>149511264
Poor girl didn't get a chance to carry deathflags even. If there is a BiS/early SM short VN, I'd hope she plays a part in it. Plus I want to find out the other two or three close friends of Inghild, Antte, and Theo who died in the week or two before SM begins.

>>149511674
I wish I was strong enough to princess carry my girl. If she could carry me that'd be hot as fuck though.

>>149509794
So what happens then here? Do they send her to regular firing squad mode, or does he slowly raise a pistol to her head while hugging her?

I'd like to think it's that way.

>I want, at this last hour, for Lise-hime to at least not feel alone. You're not alone Lise. Not anymore.

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>>149509875
Have faith Theo.

>>149511674
Inghilde has a chapter in Requiem pretty much all to herself. She might appear in BiS. I know from some of the spoilers that Annete and her family appeared as inconsequential side characters.

Would it be okay to ruffle Iris' hair if you manage to get Jurgen's permission?

>>149511873

You don't even have to be that strong.

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>>149512140
>does he slowly raise a pistol to her head while hugging her?
Yes.

>I want, at this last hour, for Lise-hime to at least not feel alone. You're not alone Lise. Not anymore.
I like that.

>>149513691
>Your dead imouto can't be this cute!

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>>149513798
She's even cuter when she lives and thinks she's a loli again.

>>149509875
Are we going to have to make our own routes and stories now that age failed us?

>>149514348
>Are we going to have to make our own routes and stories now that age failed us?
That'd just be fanfiction. And SM has spawned lots of it. After all, it wasted a lot of potential.

>>149509875
Beatrix felt the penis go in all the way on the first thrust, clearly breaking the "slow" promise. She drew another sharp breath and scrunched her closed eyes together, preparing to beat this man senseless if he kept moving after displaying such a brazen attack.

"It's bleeding..." Beatrix heard a dismayed voice. It was then she realized her face and breasts were covered in something slimy, and she didn't feel the moist steam warmth she remembered clinging to her body. It was more like a dry, automated heat. A stale heat you'd expect from an oil heater in a small bedroom, rather than a bathroom. Beatrix opened her eyes slowly, and spoke in a nearly-parched, husky tone she didn't know she had.

"You can move now, Jurgen." All that met her was silence, and the feeling of a well-endowed, throbbing member buried balls-deep into her wet, but achingly deflowered pussy. She then recognized a couple of other factors, such as her body lying on its back, and one of her stiff legs was hanging over the man's shoulder. It wasn't particularly well-lit in the room, and Beatrix had a hard time distinguishing the features of the man she was so entrancingly making love to just a tad bit earlier. What she did recognize was a pair of ikeman eyes staring down at her, paralyzingly gazing at her own, beautiful rubies.

>>149515049
It's not so much wasted potential, as is Schwarzesmarken is a very frustrating story with a flawed PoV character who sees everything in shades of black and white, heroines who are only romanceable outside of their routes, unfulfilling endings that leave you hollow (a ML traditions, really), subversions all over the place, and characters who will slip back and regress despite making great sacrifices to learn a lesson (I'm looking at you Irisdina).

>>149516078
Continue.

>>149516133
You forgot the badly written and over the top villains.

>>149516169
Axmann is the only over the top villain, and even then, he was based very closely off of a real life over-the-top villain.

Schmidt is a politician/dictator that enjoys pushing people around. His type is found all around the third world.

Beatrix is complex and multi-nuanced. She's a bitch, but then, the environment she's forced into is horrible, and she does crack and show some small kindness here and there, or even regret. Remember, in 2 out of 3 of the roots, her innate goodness or selflessness ends up fucking everything up for her. Yeah, she's caustic as fuck on the outside, but she has a very cuddly center bottled up.

I want to leave ____ with Axmann for an hour.

>>149516591
>(you)

>>149516078
Goodlord. Let me just get the popcorn.

>>149516591
Beatrix, Lise, Iris, Jurgen, Theo, and Suzy.

Assuming they can put aside their differences, Axmann is about to be in for the ride of his life.

inb4 Theo assaults Beatrix, which results in Jurgen hitting Theo, which leads to Lise jumping on Jurgen and trying to bite his ear off, which leads to Iris smacking Lise around.

>>149516802
Which leads to Suzy desperately looking for whatever that is an equivalent of popcorn

>>149516428
While individually all three of them work, extremely well in fact, as a collective the Stasi are badly written or rather, badly presented. Its hard to imagine anyone volunteering to join them for any other reason than to harm their fellow man. Yet there we have Farka, who still has a fully functioning conscience, so she can't possibly have joined for that. But instead of showing us that, thats all the humanization the organisation as a whole gets, excepting Beatrix, but she is a whole other can of worms.

LN Beatrix, despite her larger bodycount, is still the one that is most consistent, believable and easiest to connect with her teenage self, then we've got a problem.

And then there is the Werewolves being reduced to "mean girls the squadron", being quite useless at the task they are supposed to be good at and very little cohesion. Yet they follow Beatrix in her "mutiny" in one route and sacrifice themselves for Lise and Theo in the other.

In short, age adopting the anime's changes or being responsible for them in the first place, damaged the story. There is a reason why Beatrix's popularity reached its highpoint between the release of BiS and the release of the anime.

>>149516984
Many of the Werewolves were former deserters, state criminals (which is a very broad and amorphous category in the DDR) caught be the stasi and basically turned into slave soldiers by Axmann's conditioning. Farka won't reveal her past (none of them do), but she has a burning hatred of Axmann as revealed in Lise's route (so perhaps she had some past with him too). Even Beatrix has the sword of the state hanging over her for her connections to Jurgen and Irisdina, something that Schmidt threatens her with. So really, it's fear and loyalty to one another that keep the Werewolves in line.

Also, VN Beatrix is the nicest of the three Beatrix's in her actions, not personality, so you could say that VN Beatrix is more genuine then the LN (who's niceness is implied to be just another tool of manipulation). I think the VN version is the one that is most easily connectable to the prequel.

Irisdina is sleeping. Wake her up.

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I look inside myself and see my heart is black
I see my red door and must have it painted black
Maybe then I'll fade away and not have to face the facts
It's not easy facing up when your whole world is black

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So why do the West German girls have such fat asses? Katia and Kirke both.

Rape the rebels!

>>149517344
>Many of the Werewolves were former deserters, state criminals (which is a very broad and amorphous category in the DDR)
And we know this from the LN. Were the VN standalone, would we know this? No, we wouldn't. It would have been nice if it had been stated in the VN, it would certainly help humanize them.
>caught be the stasi and basically turned into slave soldiers by Axmann's conditioning.
Now this is new to me, and it wasn't implied in the LN. Is it from Requiem? Or are you projecting Lise's story to the rest of them?
>Farka won't reveal her past (none of them do),
Yes, that we know
>but she has a burning hatred of Axmann as revealed in Lise's route (so perhaps she had some past with him too)
Axmann's infamous, she would have heard of him even outside of the Stasi, without ever meeting him. And even in the case that she was a true believer, Axmann's obvious abuses of power would be still distasteful to her.
>So really, it's fear and loyalty to one another that keep the Werewolves in line.
Now without proper backup this is just your theory. But its a very reasonable one none the less. But why are they so caustic to each other then? Because it certainly harms both the sympathy they would get from the viewer and their cohesion, in story.

>Also, VN Beatrix [...] easily connectable to the prequel.
Consistency between actions and attitude, and the fact that we actually see her thoughts make me disagree with you. But in the end, its just a matter of opinion.

Did Pham died?

>>149516078
The man looked pensive, the name she called him was repeated many times in his head, yet nothing recognizable came up.

"What do you want me to do?" He tentatively asked after a moment. He looked nervous, concerned, and unwilling to continue. Almost like his life was flashing in those handsome eyes, he was clearly unnerved. He needed a push in a some direction.

Beatrix herself was confused at her changed physical situation, but she felt that there was no need for the man to be melancholic.

"I want you to move. It's too late to get cold feet now." She gave him a verbal push, but she didn't know for certain if it was the one he needed.

All she heard in reply was an almost inaudible apology, before the lewd squelching of juices emerged from the two being joined at the hip. The man moved slowly, but most certainly deep. He rested at the hilt everytime he repeated his motions, eliciting moans from the raven-haired beauty below him, now awake, confused, aroused, and covered in his semen.

Beatrix, still not 100% fully functional in the cognitive region, didn't feel particularly endangered during the emotionally-charged conversation just held. The man's eyes glinted with several emotions, ranging from anger, sadness, fear, and finally lust.

>>149517859
Okay, I like where this is going now.

Would Marimo be a good head of some restaraunt?

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Drugging Lise and Katia at the same time!

>>149518606
Axmann go home!

>>149517859
Theo was consumed by emotions. He originally acted out in some sense of revenge, but he couldn't blindly carry it out when the woman he had callously used was awake, peering up at him with warm, ruby eyes. He was unable to see the usual bloodiness he had associated her eyes with, when she was clearly displaying affection. It tugged at his heartstrings, and at his penis.

Theo's member only got harder when Beatrix encouraged him, and unconsciously using the shitty lighting in his favor, kept his face out of clear view of the aroused woman. He wrapped his arms around her leg, holding it in place on his shoulder, as he continuously moved inside of Beatrix's vagina, never entirely leaving the sheathe his sword wanted to call home.

Exquisite was the least flattering adjective he could use to describe what she felt like; it was warm - maybe better described as hot, unbearably tight, and soaked with her love nectar. Theo began to lose the sanity he had regained, and moved his body in alignment with not just his instincts, but a bubbling subconscious need to make the woman below him feel as good as he was, or perhaps to make the woman submit to his will.

>>149517845
In only 1 route

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What did KNG mean by this?

>>149517842
Farka is younger then Lise. I don't think she joined the stasi willingly.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzcU0wsKac

>>149516428
>Beatrix is complex and multi-nuanced

These new additions, along with her oddly sympathetic portrayal in Bernhard im Schatten, help to make Beatrix a much more rounded character – she’s kind of a one-note villain in the original novels.

Now that I’m reevaluating Beatrix as a character, it occurs to me that she and Axemann are set up to represent different kinds of evil. Beatrix is someone who believes wholeheartedly in what she is doing – it’s just that what she is doing is pure evil. Axemann, however, has no ideology. He seeks only to gain power for himself. He was part of the Stasi because he held power there. When things went south, he sought an alliance with the revolution, extracting a promise that he would be part of their new government. When it looked like they were going to lose, he threw in with Beatrix and the Moscow faction. And when the people started to rise up against them, he hoped to seek refuge with the CIA. He has no cause – he will serve whoever will keep him in power.

So there’s something to think about: who is the greater evil? The one who's mind and soul is devoted to evil. Or the one who serves, but has no loyalty to, an evil cause?

>>149522844
>Type 94 pasta post-Martyrs
What the fuck?

>>149522844

What is an evil cause? What is good and evil?

>>149522974
>responding seriously to pasta

>>149523019

But, is pasta evil?

>>149523067
Yes

>>149517842
LN Beatrix fired into crowds of people and used residences as shields for herself. She was also far less opposed to torture, and wasn't a huge sucker for loyalty/true love. Yeah, she acted nicer, but when it came down to it, she was a pretty horrible person. VN may act like a horrible person in her personal dealings, but it's all surface level. She outright rejects actions that LN Beatrix did, such as refusing orders to fire on crowds or abandon the 666th, and comes off more as a deeply hurt person who's drowning in all the evil around her rather then swimming in it like the LN version.

>>149523218
>She was also far less opposed to torture
That's still the anime. In the LN she was barely present for torture, excluding Iris.

>>149523242
Yeah, but she was much more braise or nonchalant about it, whereas they actually show her struggle internally with it in the VN.

>>149523301
you can read moon?

>>149523242
>excluding Iris.
Isn't that enough to qualify her as a shit person right below Axmann?

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>>149523440
Speaking as an Irisfag, nope.

>>149523440
she didn't torture her personally she was just there for some bantz and to tell the underlings to not leave any permanent marks.

>>149523508
Why are you guys so forgiving of her. I know the Jap Irisfags weren't willing to forgive Beatrix for the whole Iris thing

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

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>>149523608

>>149523576
I personally believe Beatrix isn't culpable for much. All she had was her BFF and her fiance, and it was taken from her. Bea a fuckin cute and it breaks my heart she had to suffer so much.

>>149523576
I like flawed Iris more. It shows that she ain't that different from my waifu.

>>149517650
She had a hard life.

>>149523576
Many of the Jap Irisfags seemed to buy into Theo's ideal version of her, not the implied more complex her beneath. When it was shattered by BiS they switched or got pissed off. I hear many Jap Beatofags are former Irisfags.

>>149521436
It means that he'll deliver a proper review soon.

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>>149523608
This may be blasphemy, but I like her ponytail look a lot more. I have a weakness for ponytails.

>>149523576
Irisfaggotry is considered to be plebtier over in Japland.

They're even throwing a fit now because Martyrs shows that perfect Iris was just Theo being Theo.

Iris is a deeply flawed, complex woman. She's a very human character, and despite looking it, she's not actually that strong of a person. She always had someone else to lean upon. From the days she was in school she always was surrounded by a clique of adorers and beloved by the school for her natural talent and beauty. Then, when she got older, she had all of Jurgen's surviving friends supporting her (mostly because her guilt kept her silent and they all assumed that Beatrix was the villain and she the victim over Jurgen's death). When Beatrix needed her, she ran, and when Theo and the 666th needed her, she ran again.

The Japs can't get over the fact that her strong, infallible leader personality isn't who she actually is. Like Beatrix with her stasi act, it was just an image she projected and tried to fill. She's trying to do good, but she's been so battered by the end that she just doesn't have the strength to go on.

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>>149523994
She broke her promise to Jurgen to keep Beatrix safe. That's a pretty huge stickler for them.

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>>149523994
As long as she can smile, I'll let her lean on me!

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>>149509875
I want to kiss her on the forehead.

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>>149523663
Rest in peace, Axmann's imouto.

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If Jurgen were Lise's brother, would he have done a better job protecting her then Theo did?

>>149524958
I don't know what you're talking about. Theo is a great older brother and protected Lise's smile in her route. All you Theoshitters need to take a seat. Theo is a good man and the hero we all deserved.

>>149524958
Hard to say. Does he have to divide his attention or does he go full siscon? Hell, Theo could have done a much better job if he hadn't been infatuated with Iris.

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>>149523860
>>149524342

She looks pretty good with a ponytail

>>149525186
Didn't Jurgen love Beatrix, warts and all, and get into arguments with Katia's dad, someone everyone else takes at face value? I don't think he's the type to project an ideal image, or not ask questions like Theo. Remember, Jurgen is pretty much bizzaro Theo, so where Theo would avoid the truth, Jurgen would seek it.

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>>149525275
Which means that he would be a big fucking failure, just like he failed Iris.

>>149525323
He had to choose, his fiancée or his imouto. He chose both, but he could only have saved one, so the whole thing backfired. And thus we got SM.

>>149524958
He would have abandoned her to go on a revenge quest and given her a briefcase filled with gold bars and asked her to leave Stasi.

>>149525384
Nope, he failed, plain and simple. Jurgenfags get out.

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>>149525323
Didn't Iris fail him? First by landing him in hot water and providing Axmann what he needed to nail him to the door, then by not honoring his last request to take care of his waifu, and finally, by abandoning his ideals when everyone else who could carry them died?

>>149525441
he reported on himself to protect both of them. don't think Theo is capable of that.

>>149525486
Of course not. Theo actually fought to protect instead of being some fucking martyr.

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>>149524958
>>149525171
Yeah not much Jurgen could have done in this situation either, but as for the rest he probably would have gone for the Lise route for the most part. I think Jurgen would also have ultimately chosen to get her out as best as possible. As for who he helps between Iris and Beatrix I don't know if we have the answers to who was really following his ideals more closely yet since BiS isn't finished, correct me if I'm wrong though.

>>149525525
His ideals were ultimately just a tool to protect Iris and Beatrix. That's the tragic thing about it all. The both of them ended up putting his ideals before each other.

>>149525605
Ah, then if he was in Theo's position he would have gone Lise route too.

>>149525479
Honestly, when you look at the others credentials, Iris is pretty much the bottom-of-the-barrel.

Katia
>Daughter of Alfred Strachwitz who raised her well, smuggled her to the West so she understood how much better things were there, and a very capable girl in her own right

Beatrix
>Daughter of Abel Brehme who groomed her into being a top agent of the Stasi

Irisdina
>Daughter of a guy who got alimony-shanked, and then developed a close relationship with the woman who did that, not exactly a good basis for dependable leadership

No wonder she kind of bet everything on Katia, she wasn't even cut out for her current position, let alone growing into something more. In other words, it's not really her fault she crumbled.

>>149525605
Yeah, Jurgen violates his ideals all the time when it comes to keeping Beatrix or Iris happy, like working or making deals with the stasi. Protecting the human race, having the moral high ground, and all that jazz seem to be secondary.

>>149525697
Jurgen would try to have his cake and eat it, so he might be the worst person for the Lise route. He would probably be less likely to backstab though. He's probably similar to Beatrix in that respect where he'd value loyalty above all else.

>>149525716
Irisdina actually didn't have a terrible family life. She was too young to really remember her father being cucked into insanity, and she's surrounded by family friends/relatives who care for her. Not to mention she has Jurgen to lean on.

Beatrix probably has it worse, dead mother and a father who's emotionally abusive and tells her to her face that he doesn't see her as anything but his tool.

>>149525808
Well the Lise route is kind of a have his cake and eat it scenario since the cause Theo chose ended up better off and he didn't even have to sacrifice his imouto to do it. But if it was Jurgen he may have not turned on Beatrix's side at the last moment and helped her instead before going off to rescue Lise. Unless he really didn't like what Beatrix was doing, after all he's willing to make compromises and work with the stasi to protect his loved ones like Theo but it depends on if he would agree with Katia or not.

>>149519587
As he begin to shift gears from methodical, deep-reaching strokes into a faster-paced one, the calm breathing he was accustomed to hearing from Beatrix's nose was now irregular and erratic, a consequence of tens of minutes spent earlier milking her tender nipples, and presently filling up her uterus frequently.

The sounds elicited from her throat became more and more arousing, as Theo's ears heard them mix with the ritualistic slapping noise from his pounding. Theodor himself was running on adrenaline, mostly due to him memorizing her breasts shake each time he heartily thrusted, heightening his arousal to his peak. His collected breathing was already replaced by grunting as his thrusts became faster and more assiduous. Beatrix, mostly content lying like a dead fish up to this point, started to put more energy into her weakened limbs; breaking her leg out of Theodor's restrictive embrace and slid down, wrapping with the other leg around his waist, turning the sideways position they started intercourse with into a leglocking missionary. Theo, gratified by Beatrix's movements, placed his hands on her mountainous breasts, and quickly began massaging them as he ravaged her insides.

Beatrix's special spot long ago traded the initial pain for pleasure, her moans now becoming vigorous and beginning to restore the hoarse sounds with her original, sultry voice. Beatrix's lips were hot, open, and lonely. She outstretched her arms for a grapple, and began to pull her partner in for a kiss.

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>>149524958
No not really. He had practically abandoned i.e. distanced himself from Irisdina quite a bit before the time of his death approached, especially as Irisdina started patching up with their estranged mother Mercedes (who to her credit had been trying for a long time, and she hadn't ever tried to push them away, but it was Jurgen who would never forgive their mother for what she did to their father), which was the last straw for him.

Why do you think Iris eventually went to Axmann in the first place? With Bea out of the picture, he'd HAVE to come back to her.

Jurgen may be many things, but a good oniichan he was not.

>>149517650
Never give up Sylwia.

>>149518352
Maybe. She is exceedingly kind hearted, and not big headed, but she does have a temper.

>>149525939
If the contrast between him and Theo holds, I could imagine him making a comment about how such beautiful dreams are just that, dreams; they are to inspire and strive towards, but it's naive to expect them to be reality.

I don't know though. He could go full Kurt and start praying to her like she's the Messiah, but I just don't see that from the man who debated and argued with Alfred all the time according to the spoilers.

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>>149526066
That's probably one of the greatest ML birthday pictures ever. Imma miss you Jilpoong.

>>149526066
With Martyrs wiping its ass of her by showing her to be rather weak willed and willing to run away again, I just don't know what to think about Iris anymore.

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>>149526311
I know exactly what to think. I still love my wife, no matter what!

>>149516078
Can't get off this ride now, you're all on board.

NSFW http://imgur.com/ociUxMj

Album http://imgur.com/a/Tp8pL

I'll probably post it at pixiv later. I don't use image hosting so imgur was the only site I could think of.

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>>149526498

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>>149516078
>"It's bleeding..." Beatrix heard a dismayed voice.

>Theo's world comes crashing down

>>149519587
Anna something something love nectar something Anna

I like it. Also like he's clearly feeling guilty.

>>149522625
No one fucking cares Pactshitter.

>>149522844
Why would you waste posts with Type-94 shilling?

>Axmann never actually gets to use his GUN on Katia and Beatrix like he said he wanted to
Why waste that foreshadowing, age?

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>>149526498

>>149526678
He shot Gretel and Iris. He shot Theo too, but the stasi fortified suit held up.

>>149526025
Congrats, you've gotten GK to make porn, something nobody else has managed thus far.

>>149509794
Someone knows which tool do you need to extract sprites from Martyrs? I found some tutorials, but I'm not sure which extraction tool is better.

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>>149526842
Well, you know. They guy works pretty hard for pringles.

He's a decent artist. I like the guy, draws Muv Luv all day and doesn't afraid of anything.

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>>149526925
>extract sprites from Martyrs

>>149526925
rippers don't work. the best is rioX but it can only rip CGs and can't find sprites since they probably changed the format of sprites.

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Incoming best girl.

>>149526842
With one or two exceptions, I've never really drawn anything like these to be honest. Anon's stories are perfect material for practice.

Added some "effects": (NSFW)http://imgur.com/1ZmEVle

>>149527020
What's wrong? Is it impossible?

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>>149524043
Ah hey, the full quality version, finally.

>>149523994
Why would they all have trouble getting over her mask? We all wear masks to some extent. The true difference is those who wear their masks, and whose masks wear them.

>>149524778
You have to hand it to her, Suzy may be rather cruel, but utterly principled she is as well. She refused to talk no matter what.

>>149525275
Not so different. Jurgen seeks the truth because it is power, and knowledge, and wisdom, and even righteousness. Theo fears the truth because he knows truth is freedom, liberation, Godliness, and a weapon against the evil of the Earth. He runs from it instinctually because it's a lesson that's been cut and beaten into him repeatedly since his life took it's turn for the worst.

And getting into Strachwitz isn't that big a deal either, Jurgen represented a different axis of moral authority in the plotted rebellion.

>>149525479
They failed each other in a way.

>>149526929
>doesn't afraid of anything

Jokes aside I might be risking a ban.

>>149527151
By posting imgur links? No. I've got a higher chance of being banned than you for posting all the shit your practicing off of.

>>149527139
no. its just time consuming.

>>149527164
Well I meant non-official ML nsfw stuff, I'm not worried about imgur.

Is imgur shit?

>>149527275
>Is imgur shit?
Not really. It's useful.

>>149527270
I want to try at least. Do you know how to do it?

>>149527151
I got banned before because I posted a page from one of Leymei's doujins on /m/. I laughed because of course I would get banned for titposting.

>>149527443
i think he meant pixiv.

>>149527606
Does Pixiv ban people for R18 stuff? I thought that was kinda the place to post anything.

>>149527374
no. look for some guides and stuff. but if you are not very tech savvy don't bother with it.

>>149527835
don't think they ban people since there is a lot of other +18 stuff on it.

>>149527868
I think you need to make an account to view adult pictures, but otherwise you're fine. There's loads of porn there.

>>149527835
No, was talking about posting stuff on /a/.

On the other hand Pixiv guidelines requires censors or your work just gets deleted. Though I wonder if anyone has tested this since I've seen some uncensored stuff posted there. Other than that there are still some guidelines to follow regarding content but its only really restrictive about art with sensitive stuff like hate crimes and etc. I think stuff like guro, scat and the usual extreme fetishes still pass though.

>>149528027
What you usually do is post the censured art, then put the uncensored shit in an imgur link.

>>149528027
>No, was talking about posting stuff on /a/.
In that case, you're typically going to be alright if at most it's nipples. Of course, the newest and wonderful image you recently composed would not be very wise to post on /a/.

>>149523827
He'll probably just agree with T-94. Looking forward to more butthurt Beatrixfags though.

>>149528403
You're like 8 months late to post that prediction, tard.

>>149524043
Gretel looks like a completely different character here.

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>>149528485
Its a change

>>149526025
Theo, being drawn ever closer to Beatrix, decided to elucidate himself with not words, but actions. Theo, perhaps against a better judgement, decided to go in for the "kill".

He pounded Beatrix as deep as he could go, simultaneously coming face to face with the busty vixen.

"Th-?" Was the the only sound Beatrix got out before her lips were stolen by the physically superior male. Beatrix, astonished at the instant change of partners in her mind, had no time to react as Theo picked up the pace further, and with her tired legs still wrapped around him, encouraged the climax of this unsung 'hero'. Theodor, greedily sucking on Beatrix's mouth, and aiming to do the same to her tongue, met her eyes as he constantly moved to fill her lower mouth up as well. Theo remembered how he used to avoid her steely, flirty gaze, before losing that thought and wallowed in his pre-ejaculation stimulation.

Beatrix's glamorously red, ruby eyes. Theodor's ocean-green eyes. The two, both experiencing different emotions, simply looked at the other's face as their bodies indulged in the same pleasures. Beatrix, unbeknownst why to her conscious, reflected Theo's attacks on her mouth, and didn't really try to force his body away.

Theo, finally reaching his limit for the second time this night, remained unbroken in his connection to both of Beatrix's loving holes and charged far into her pink, slightly red gate one last time before he erupted directly into her womb. Beatrix herself, after nearly excruciating foreplay and ferocious pounding by this behemoth, surged through her own limits. Squeezing his back with her legs and arms in a tight embrace, tightening up her folds around him as she climaxed, resulting in an unbearable sensation for the two of them. The more she tightened from her orgasms, the more he spurted into her, placing them in what seemed to be an endless loop as they moaned into their mouths, breathing fire-hot breath into the opposite face.

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>Iris getting bullied by Martyrs

When will it end.

>>149529271
After a moment of the last few longstrokes Theo performed, ensuring her uterus was painted white, the two still staring into their eyes as they remained sensually kissing, at last reached post-coitus.

Theo collapsed exhaustively onto Beatrix, his face fitting snugly underneath hers and resting on her shoulder, his somewhat softened member still connected to her, working as a plug to the second herculean amount of splooge laying inside of her.

Theo didn't concern himself with his upper body now sticky with his own cum as he hugged Beatrix, the fault of which lies with himself for not cleaning her earlier. The more 'pressing' sensation was Beatrix's obnoxious knockers providing a warm bodypillow for him to embrace.

Beatrix, gazing at this boy, watched him as he began to sleep with her as his pillow. The echoes of her orgasms were still remaining in her mind, and in her formerly virgin body. If he got energetic downstairs again, she might lose herself from the sensations in her currently overly-sensitive lower mouth. She felt a slight bulge in her stomach, hot from his still burning penis, and the warm, thick semen now resting inside of her.

No words were spoken yet. The only thing that could be heard was the audible breathing in this dark room.

>>149529549
When you stand up for something you believe in.

>>149529271
>>149529654
That was really fucking hot.

>The more 'pressing' sensation was Beatrix's obnoxious knockers providing a warm bodypillow for him to embrace. Beatrix, gazing at this boy, watched him as he began to sleep with her as his pillow.

Falling asleep between large boobs is the best.

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>>149529549
Remember when Iris was a strong, good woman and role model?

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>>149529923
Here's another. You can briefly see angel wings because Iris is an angel, not some weak willed whore who abandons people when shit gets tough.

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>>149529923
Irisdina is still my angel.

>>149529549
I still don't get it, why does she just give up in that ending?

>>149529923
I remember when I looked forward to what her route would be like.

>>149530024
Because she's repeating the same mistakes she made with Beatrix and Jurgen on a brand new generation.

>>149530024
People are just grasping. There's nothing symbolic about her closing her eyes again. She's awake, and everything will be fine now unless the coma hurt her cognitive abilities.

>>149530105

>Irisidina regresses like Lise in her route
>Theo cares for her

Imouto end 2.0?

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>>149529923
I remember when she was my wife. In fact, she still is.

>>149530248
You aren't angry about Martyrs throwing mud on her?

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>>149530291
I'd be nothing but a 2-bit piece of shit if I divorced a woman just because she wasn't perfect!

I'd be no better than Mercedes!

Iris was the perfect woman, so they had to drag her down, put her in the mud with everyone else. Now she looks like she was the one in the wrong in her ideals and the Beatrix/Iris relation.

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>>149529923
I miss anime Iris.

>>149530586
I don't think her beliefs of relieving the DDR from the tyranny of the few are wrong. I feel like it could have been played better, but Martyrs did try to humanize Iris as a the girl she is, rather than the saint she's not.

>>149529654
They're going to have a very awkward conversation when they wake up.

>>149530617
>Wanting Irisdina "Just a flesh wound" Bernhard

>>149530617
Anime Iris is a butchery.

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>>149530640
She's still a saint in Katia's route, mostly because she doesn't do shit. It's the other two that make her look bad. I guess they wanted her to be on the same level as Beatrix.

>>149530328
I want to bully this girl and teen Beatrix.

>>149531554
Better then the Iris who abandons her friends twice and fails to learn any lessons.

How do we fix Suzy without a bullet to the brain?

>>149532258
She failed to learn lessons because she never had a chance too. She spent years on a crutch, that as seen in her route, isn't strong enough to face the consequences surrounding her.

I am going to help her through this, one step at a time.

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I want her to headbutt me.

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>>149532598
At least use the HD crop.

>>149532598
>>149532636
Jesus, look at the tits on that child.

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>>149532676
Breasts worth killing for.

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>>149532791
Tell that to Theo "Boob Mangler" Eberbach.

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What's really the relationship between this colonel and first lieutenant?

>>149532878
>fukboi

you already got your answer.

>>149532878
>you will never rape him

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>>149532878
>>149532944
>doesn't fuck Lise
>will fuck somebody who basically looks like Lise (male)

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>>149532878

How long would the cast of german muv luv be able to resist stasi rape without giving up information?

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>>149533035
They're almost from different worlds. Most of them would crack pretty quickly.

>>149533111
arent they still trained soldiers though

>>149523608
Her first measurement is too large there.

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>>149524043
>anatomically incorrect fortified suit

>>149533472
Why aren't TSFs powered by vibrating dildos built into the pilot seat?

>>149533546
Is that supposed to be a non-sequitur?

>>149507473
>Irisdina "Rape is Okay When It's Not Happening To Me" Bernhard

wat

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>>149529271
>>149529654
Rollan for a good ending, please.

>>149529549
>>149529726
>>149529923
She's not a horrible woman. I wish some of you, and the Japanons realized that. She is a flawed woman. NOT an evil woman. Just like the others of the cast. All humans are flawed, trying to put someone on a pedestal like a god just end up with you being disillusioned as they keep failing to meet their expectations. It is overcoming, trying even the face of flaws and failure, that makes the true strength of man!

>>149534185
Lise's route. Iris enables some pretty moderate shit with Axmann for the prisoners she captures.

>>149534208
>When you stand up for something you believe in.
I meant standing up for Iris. But I know where you're coming from in response.

>>149534208
>Rollan for a good ending, please.
I've still got some ideas but for the moment I'm done, I didn't want to write that last post with a definitive ending, so I tried to leave it open for all kinds of branches. I haven't done too many posts today since I'm not very confident on penetration scenes. Groping and paizuri is ezpz.

I'll probably go on further later.

>>149534227
How do you mean "enables"?

>>149534469
she gives Lise to Axmann for "interrogation".

>>149534227
how is rape moderate?

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>>149534469
Hands over Lise and other loyalist prisoners to Axmann for interrogation, which directly leads to Lise being brain damaged by rape/drugs.

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>>149534185
Funhaus 2.0 courtesy of Heim and Iris Bernhard.

>>149534469
Axmann convinces her to hand Lise over to him, with apparently no oversight or restrictions considering what happens next.

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>>149527084
My man

>>149534565
Did iris know that she was gonna get raped or was she just naive and didnt consider the possibility?

I still wnat to read the rape scene. Its so dumb that they didnt include the most important scene in the VN.

Sales would have more than tripled if they had written it.

I bet 2ch is full of anons refusing to buy it because the rape scene isnt written.

>>149534827
You type poorly and your shits all retarded.

Why is Lead Belly so useless?

Is there a pastebin for Martyrs spoilers like there was for Total Eclipse spoilers?

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リィズ大好き

>>149534862
are you implying you wouldn't want to read the rape scene?

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>>149535028
I'd rather go into even more detail on this scene.

>>149534208
You have to admit that it's still a pretty shitty thing. Beatrix tells her with her dying breath that her plan is stupid, but she should continue on since it was that fate chose. So Iris's reaction is to disregard those last heartfelt words and check out instead.

>>149535117
Lise should've Manhunt'd him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGuhX5AmjuA

>>149535117
So did Beatrix let Lise do it because she was being nice and honoring her promise of vengeance, or was she merely using Lise as a tool to eliminate a rival?

>>149535564
Beatrix is very, very serious about loyalty (probably the biggest thing the anime fucked up about her). You can see multiple examples of this in all of the routes. If Beatrix makes a promise to you and you remain her friend/ally, she'll try her best to make it work out.

>>149535564
A little bit of everything, plus Lise had to prove herself since in the Iris route the arrest fails.

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>>149532878
Why ask when you clearly know the answer. It was pretty obvious since the anime.

>>149535993
Why did they change his eyes from gold to be the same as Lise's? That's the real question.

>>149536026
To make you want to fuck him.

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>>149527084
>>149534597
Best axe murderer. And even that maybe not.

>>149534452
You done good work regardless. I'm always a sucker for Theo Beato stuff.

Suzy is not good for anything. Remove Suzy.

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>>149535541

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>>149536098
Well, it certainly worked.

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>>149536425
Would Lise and him make beautiful babies?

>>149536425
Honestly, Ketchup was a lucky man.

>>149530024
Because she lost both double-ahoge heroines she cared about.

>>149533111
>almost
I honestly have a really hard time reconciling SM with the rest of ML because its tone and style is just so completely different.

How would Pham punish Simone for that insult if she had her way?

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>>149536970
What you're probably picking up on is a sense of nihilism. What hope or optimism there is has a real bite to it, even coming off as false. It's also told from the vantage of idealistic nationalist, who are the usual antagonist in other ML works, and the most brutal character, the villain, is the one who's looking at things from a global perspective and is even in the United Nation's pocket.

SM is what would happen if you took the original cast, broke them up, with half taking Yuuko's side and the other half taking Marimo's, then forced them to kill one another in a completely dystopic hellhole.

>>149537165
>you will never mess Farka's hair up

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>>149534597
>another Yuzukanon
This isn't real. Is it?

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Made for braid pulling.

>>149537433
Jurgen is really cute in that picture.

>>149537953
When isn't he?
NO HOMO

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What did they mean with this?

>>149538087
Out of date page is out of date.

>>149538187
Knowing the wiki, it'll be a while before they update it.

>>149538031
I think I'm coming around to seeing him as better looking guy then Theo which makes sense, since Beatrix is better looking then Theo's love interests..

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>>149538368

>>149537953
Too bad about that hand tho.

Can Irisdina be salvaged?

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>>149538564
What is there to salvage? Its those who expected her to be knock-off Meiya and drank Theo's cool aid who've been shattered, not Iris. And from the moment that this was released you should have expected that Iris would be torn down from that pedestal she had been put on.

>>149538632
Tell me more.

>>149538632
I want to romance teen Iris. I want to be to her what Jurgen is for Beato.

Does Gretel ever stop being shit?

>>149536425
Is rape justfied if he's a sadistic cunt serving to a bigger sadistic cunt and you just want to show him how horrible are things Axmann's cronies do, since he doesn't have any empathy?
Or maybe it's just a bullshit excuse I'm making up. Either way, I want to rape him

Which girl would you spoil?

So Lise gets mind broken because she was experimented on and gang raped for 24 hours a day? Where the hell is her brother and what the hell happened to Axmann?

I want to protect Farka so much. I want to hug her tight and caress her face.
Why is she so damn adorable?

Luna is ugly.

>>149537407
Why isn't she axing those puppies to pieces?

>>149536970
Eh, how? It's pretty much the same. This kind of stuff has all preceded in the world numerous times by the time Unlimited and Alternative come.

>>149537407
I'm curious what would've happened if Axmann got her instead of Lise.

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>>149540561
Because she loves cute puppies.

>>149540579
Axmann would've been axe murdered.

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>>149538564
She was never broken for me.

>>149540151
You should be shot! Or axed to death by Suzuka.

>>149539642
Well it goes unsaid what happened, but more of brainwashing her, using psychoactives, breaking her down mentally. It depends on the route in question.

Theo doesn't know where she is in Lise's route, because the rebels, inc Axmann's Stasi, are hidden, and they don't have the firepower to go wherever and whenever against the might of the NVA Western Theater forces.

>>149538632
I fucking hate that these two were practically advertised as the main heroines but the games did them no justice.

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>>149533432
It seems that she got bigger breasts on Martyrs

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>>149538390
That's fucking beautiful. I get they were just quick sketches, but damn they're beautiful. You can see the love in her eyes.

>>149541673
It seems like Anette's hair got bigger whenever I look at this. Is it bigger around the end of Martyrs? I guess she wouldn't have really had time to have a haircut over the course of the SM.

She fills out rather nicely.

>>149542382
Reminder that people compared anett freaking out on the battlefield to a child throwing a tantrum.

I cannot install Martyrs because of garbled text everywhere. Locale is set to Japanese, all other VNs have no problem. Checked torrent and it downloaded correctly. Help me comrades.

>>149542717
Try copying everything off the discs and into a folder.

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>>149542746
Same shit.

>>149542838
Huh, I read a few threads ago that something like that should've worked. Ok, try again, copy everything from disc to your computer and uh I think change settings.ini from ANSI to Unicode.

>>149542717
>>149542838
On the files you copied over, find the setup.ini and Save As as Unicode instead of ANSI

>>149542529
Well no shit, people give Theo shit because he didn't endure months of torture. Some people, even here, are stupid as bricks.

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>>149542942
Yesssssss it worked. Thanks senpai. Have some best girl.

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>>149537953
Thanks

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>>149543046
I regret helping you, literally the worst fucking girl. And you're a fucking Slav.

Okay I don't regret helping you, but still the worst girl.

And it's confirmed one of the Pactshitters is a delusional Slav

>>149540616
So how good is she in CQC, comparatively? I mean she only split one person apart when they weren't looking. I don't think she could take on Theo if he's got a knife, or even Yui with her sword.

>>149543151
>And it's confirmed one of the Pactshitters is a delusional Slav
What?

>>149543151
>Pactshitters
No that's the serb poster

>>149543151
>And you're a fucking Slav.
What's wrong with being Polish?

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>>149543046
>Gretel
>best girl

my genosse

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>>149526498
>that perfect navel

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>>149543368
Nothing, you ruined it.

>>149544100
It's nice, isn't it? But the eyes. Look at those eyes. Look and be bewitched.

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>>149532878
Kek.

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>>149544279
What a great post.

>>149544279
11/10

>>149544353
>1/10
Fixed that for you.

Drakeposting died for a reason.

Where is the gretel posting ?

>>149544520
In the trash, where it belongs

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>>149541673
I want to take Milf Anette out to the London Fair with our 12 children!

Then it's time for pactposting

>>149544531
So in this general?

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>>149544520
The priority is Martyrs and the new writefag

I want to make Lise smile and blush because she's a good girl.

>>149544553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-9z8246HCY
LWP STRONK

I want to refer to Iris as "Irisdumb" just to bully her.

>>149544551
Reminder to softly bully her.

>>149544605
Poland fell to quick for europe. If they had survived then the whole story would have been different.

>>149544569
>and the new writefag
what's he doing

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Would you unite with Jurgen to softly bully nomenklatura princesses?

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>>149544775
Anette is not for bullying. There was too much for that. And there is still too much of that.

She bullied herself when I found her passed out in an alleyway of Picadilly Circus, a rubbber band tied around her arm.

Like when she started crying when she learned she was pregnant, screaming, trying to tear her baby out from her?

Like when she wanted to name our first child after one of our friends, our second, our third, but we realized that we would never have enough children to name all the beloved dead after?

Like when our daughter Inghild was asking questions rapidly, and asked about the Schwarzesmarken, about her namesake, where she angrily, despairingly slapped the girl harder than she had ever been hit before?

What about when she then rapidly crumpled to the ground with our daughter, burying her face in Inghild's stomach, crying her eyes out, begging Inghild to forgive her, as the bewildered child could only barely register these dual shocks?

I want to make a fight club for girls with the champion being Katia.
Except the rule would not be to defeat Katia since that would be too easy but be beaten by her.
That way I can bully girls by encouraging them to get beaten up by the most milquetoast creature in all of Muv Luv universe and bully Katia by making her a walking joke.

>>149544895
this
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>>149544953
ShindoL pls go

>>149545125
nice

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So does the VN have hairtwirl?

>>149545597
1 cg in Katia's route I think. I don't know the context though.

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>>149545597
Theo has delusions of her doing it, but they never show the actual Lise doing hair twirl. Anime decided to take hairtwirl and confirm it though.

>>149545608
Theo was imagining Lise torturing Iris. It's where this other CG comes from.

>>149545608
>>149545648
So it was just a mental thought then.

Still, we did get hair twirl in a manner of speaking. It's just they decided not to make cgs for it.

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>>149545907
>So it was just a mental thought then.
Yes. It's just Theo being Theo and justifying wanting to kill Lise.

>It's just they decided not to make cgs for it.
See picture.

>>149538632
>And from the moment that this was released you should have expected that Iris would be torn down from that pedestal she had been put on.

What do you mean by that?

>>149546648
>tfw she survives every route

>>149546675
She is a Lucky dog.

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>Lose all memories of stasi times
>Start things over at the mental level equivalent of Lolise
>Onii-chan dedicated to taking care of you and helping you recover

Fucking jackpot.

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>>149544598

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>>149546675
>mfw

>>149546736
It's the only route that ends with Theo as a moral, responsible, and good person. Every other route ends with him compromising on his morality, but Lise's has him, through betraying the stasi and killing Beatrix/Axmann, come out as a better person.

>>149544279
Very nice, I chuckled. If Ketchup went full homo it's for the best. Less pain for Lise.

>>149546795
The only girl he'd rape would be Beatrix or Iris, and that's not really because he finds them hot, but because the idea of them freaking out that someone they'd hate so much would take their "firsts" would delight Axmann.

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Did Beatrix genuinely mean it when she asked Lise if she was alright after Axmann tortured her?

>>149546918
Beatrix is socially retarded and only ever had about 3 genuine friends, so in her dorky way, probably.

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>>149544193
>It's nice, isn't it? But the eyes. Look at those eyes. Look and be bewitched.
They say she's in pain.

I want a voiced h-scene with Beatrix to hear all the cute noises and moans she'd make.

>>149546918
Do you really want to start the "its just manipulation" vs. "she cares like someone cares for their favourite tool" vs. "she really cares" shitflinging?

>>149530328
This girl is ugly and no self-respecting boy would ever look at her, let alone love her.

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>>149547541
don't bully Irisdina she is my sister!

>>149547497

We know she cares because she acted ankward, if she was manipulating her she would have acted the part much better.

>>149547795
Beatrix being shit at counseling or comforting people is something that was carried over from the LNs.

>>149547596
>>149547249
So who was ultimately the better person; Irisdina or Beatrix?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11603714

>>149547294
What will it take to get Yukarin to do H voices?

>>149548053
Back in the old days, you could at least say Iris didn't torture like Beatrix did, but now with Martyrs, it's really hard to say that one is better then the other.

>>149548631
All the money in the world you can't afford.

>>149548973
What if we promise her a husband?

How hard should you hit Gretel with a slipper if she refuses to bring a newspaper?

>>149549001
no one wants her. She is already and old hag at 40years old.

>>149549093
I bet Yukarin channeled some of her despair and repressed sexual energy into Beatrix. Lewd.

>>149548053
>So who was ultimately the better person; Irisdina or Beatrix?
Better person or better Princess? My answer is about the same for both, but with some variations.

Iris is most definitely the better princess; ie she relies on her surroundings, is actually submissive etc.

Beatrix is probably the better person. She is capable of projecting a strong will to achieve something, and is loyal, almost to a fault. I like her as a princess as well, but my waifu Iris definitely has her beat there.

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>Preorder for Martyrs still hasn't arrived yet

I want my poster dammit

>>149549465
Did the place you're ordering from have a tracking system set up? Was it estimated to arrive by now? Is your post office keeping it to tax your ass because fuck you?