Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1727

Reminder that manga isn't reading and you're deluding yourself if you think so.

>>149341294
nice pic, dude

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>>149341308

>母親が唯一と言っていいほど
>と言っていいほど

What does this phrase mean?

The amount of cards in anki I get wrong but I give myself them anyway because they're so obvious is mindblowing

If I actually failed all the cards I got wrong I'd probably have 40% retention

>JLPT test is only a month away
>I'm still doing nothing but anki everyday
I deserve to fail

>>149341370
I'm remaining disciplined and failing everything I get wrong. Even when it's a quick slip of the mind because I was going through them too fast. It's annoying but being honest is the best course.

>>149340348
Brute force.

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>>149341370
>If I actually failed all the cards I got wrong I'd probably have 40% retention

why would you defend your stats instead of learning japanese

今日は私の誕生日ですよー

(I-is this even correct?)

>>149341502
おめでとう

>>149341449
I feel like there's no point being strict about it though because as soon as I open up anki my brain just shuts itself off and performs at a quarter of it's usual potential

>>149341490
Doing everything outside of anki is learning Japanese, what happens inside anki barely matters

>>149341502
おいくつ？
セックスしたことある？興味ある？

>>149341521
>what happens inside anki barely matters
on the contrary, you seem rather concerned about your stats for it not to matter

挿入するぞ！

>>149341521
you can't learn japanese

>>149341569
I don't give myself them because I care about my stats, I give myself them because I know for a fact that I know them, I only get them wrong because my brain refuses to work in a flashcard environment

>>149341610
Do you think natives would have problems with flashcards?
Just admit you don't actually know them as well as you think you do and need to see them more often

>>149341502
おたんじょうびおめでとう

>>149341692
I get words wrong in anki even when they're words that I see all the time and never even think twice about though, I just can't function properly with flashcards, they're too mindnumbingly boring

>>149341534
そのアノンじゃないけど
３０才でも　セックスことないよ
自殺したほうがいいかな

>>149341362
From my own understanding and brief research "It's reasonable to say" is a decent translation.

>>149341872
せっかく魔法遣いになったのに自殺なんてもったいないよ

>>149341941
"You can even say"

>>149341502
おめでとう

>>149341872
俺23歳で童貞だけどDJTの童貞率ってどれぐらいかな

9割以上いると思うけど

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I want to be done with RTK by the end of the year but I'm only 600 kanji in.
Being a wagecuck sucks tbqh

>>149342066
Just ask your boss to transfer you to the company's japanese branch after you've finished giving your morning blowjob

>>149342066
If you're a wagecuck you shouldn't be wasting what little time you have doing RTK

the amount of words in this fucking language is honestly offensive

>>149342136
Learning Japanese has made me appreciate my own native English vocabulary.

Is there any place that let's you practice hiragana/katakana in a non-vaccuum?
Seeing a single character and writing it in romanji is getting pretty easy but my brain kind of fries when I see a few next to eachother.

>>149342136
>a language has many words

ok

>>149342171
>Is there any place that let's you practice hiragana/katakana in a non-vaccuum?

N-Native material?

>>149342171
Start learning grammar or vocab and it'll just click on it's own over time.

>入れ物
This word strikes me as pretty lewd.
>a thing you enter

should I kill myself if 芸事 still makes me laugh?

>>149342304
I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to kill yourself other than just that

>>149341294
Who is she?

>>149342304
藝事はおおいにけっこうである

>>149342408
＞旧字体

旧字体が嫌い！！！！

>とでも思ってもらえればと思います
I just saw this phrase and was a bit stumped, anyone know what it's supposed to mean? The context it was brought in was a self introduction and she said something like "you can think of me as X rather than Y".

>>149342371
idk, derpchan

>>149342568
>とでも思ってもらえれば（いい）と思います

the ば form is often used like this in polite formal speech

>>149342557
don't you mean 舊字軆

Is it recommended to download a Anki grammar deck after finishing Tae Kim, and if so, which one should I download?

>>149342819
No, it's recommended that you go read native material.

>>149342819
It's more recommended to start reading

But if you really want a grammar deck then DoJG, although anki really isn't supposed to be used for grammar, you can't just grind grammar like you can with vocab and kanji

>>149342819
Personally I liked the DOJG deck, but you should stick with the beginner cards until you get a lot of practice reading, and then do the intermediate cards, and after awhile start doing the advanced ones once you are really comfortable with reading and have a sizeable vocab under your belt.

When I did that deck, I was completely lost in all the nuance and similar words once I hit advanced.

>>149342850
>>149342880
>>149342882

Thanks for the help.

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>>149342596
Probably she is Felicia of Fire Emblem Fate.
I asked that cause she's not Anime Character.

出来ない

>>149343398
You forgot listening

>>149343437
listening is optional :^)

>>149343478
So are the other three technically

>>149343515
nah

Did you guys strive for 100% understanding on your first native material reading?

Sometimes I feel like I've spent far too long on a particular sentence and I'm not progressing without outside help.

>>149343576
hahahaha no

>>149343576
Nah. If you obsess over getting 100% of every single sentence you'll get sick of it and end up giving up. I've been studying for years and there are still plenty of small grammatical details I never quite understood until very recently

>>149343576
No.

>>149343623
>I've been studying for years and there are still plenty of small grammatical details I never quite understood until very recently
But wouldn't you have liked to have someone to teach you said small grammatical details years ago instead of just breaking your face till just now?

>>149343990
That's probably infeasible considering I've had Japanese teachers teach me Japanese nearly every day of the week for the past 2.5 years (and I've been living in Japan during that time as well). You can't have literally everything taught to you, there's some things you pick up yourself by reading.

>>149341431
What level are you taking

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>taking JLPT N5 in two years
>still only 80% done reading Albatross

Jesus christ I'm fucked

>まだ社会に浸透はしておらず、

I think I know what this means but can't formulate it in English, am I dumb? Or has my Japanese exceeded my English? I'm an ESL.

>>149344368
N5

>>149344473
Tbh doing like 20% of tae kim and just anki should be enough to pass N5

>>149344473
>>149344492
Also if you can do the practice questions then it's an easy win

http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/pdf/N5-mondai.pdf
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/pdf/N5-seikai.pdf

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>>149344473
If you can read this you can pass N5

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>>149344444

>>149344573
More like N0.

>>149344573
Pretty sure even natives would struggle with that

>>149344492
>They don't use kanji
Oh heaven no.

>>149344722
Nah.

I'm still not used to jp "S-O-V" sentence structure. How long does it take till you can read and understand simultaneously a complex sentence without breaking it into small part? For N2 level and above.

>>149344573
If you are N5 you stop when you find the word "乳白", and you start to Jerk off yourself.

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>when all your cards eventually get suspended
Christ

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>>149343493
Honest and accurate.

>>149344538
Damn, N5 is actually easier than よつばと!

At least that makes me feel slightly less useless now.

>>149345054
Yotsuba's actually hard as shit because of how slangy it is, it's just we all get used to it right away because we all read it before anything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcSCq8XDTaY#t=3m30s

Legitimately interesting and about japanese and has to do with learning japanese.

>>149345090
why is it in the guide as an introduction to reading if its so hard

>>149345133
literally only because of the reading pack

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ぽいぽいぽい！

>>149345129
Not interesting, and vaguely about Japanese at best.

Aside from the really basic obvious onomatopoeia, a lot of the ones in Japanese are absolute horseshit to learn.

>>149345313
How have I not seen this before

>>149345316
apparently scientific studies disagree

it's been 1727 threads, is anyone N5 yet?

>>149344444
r u memeing
that b dank meme

>>149345361
me

>>149345361
>>149345375
I meant N1

>>149345361
no

>>149345361
I'm almost about there

>>149344538
The lack of kanjis is giving me headaches.

>>149345361
I've just been doing core the entire time I have yet to read a grammar guide or native material

>>149344831
Less than one VN.

I just finished reading volume 1 of いつか天魔の黒ウサギ. Might be the worst thing I've read in my life, but if anyone wants a really easy LN to read there you go.

>>149345361
I will never pay for the JPLT because in my heart, i'm a juden.

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>studying for uni when I see this
I had a vietnam flashback of sorts.
What have you guys done to me.

>>149345783
top kek

>>149345783
>aboute
is this the tae kim of information theory textbooks

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How far can one get without using katakana words in Japanese?

I always use stuff like 扉 instead of ドア on purpose, but sometimes it seems unavoidable, like using プレイ for a game. And ゲーム, of course.Makes me want to pull a Chinese mindset and write something like 電遊. Sometimes it's even understood.

>>149345392
No but I'm self assessed N0 with a confirmed 5 billion on the jcat

>>149345916
>I always use stuff like 扉 instead of ドア on purpose
They're different things dumb fuck

>>149345898
It's some random dude's lecture notes from last year.

>>149345974
So yes

>>149345916
You can do whatever you want if you don't care about sounding stupid and being less fluent as a result

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Say you already know you won't be able to do Anki tomorrow. How would /djt/ handle such a situation?

- Change your systems date settings and do the reps one day ahead of time
- Wait it out and do twice the new cards on the day after tomorrow
- Something else?

>>149346126
You realize there is LITERALLY a function in anki for that right?

>>149346153
I thought the review ahead they have doesn't save the progress and you'll have to do everything again later?
Or am I mistaken?

>>149345783
Yo man! I am also both dtudying 日本語 and information theory (particularly now markov chains)

>>149344444
Hi, Clephas.

>>149346126
Wake up 20 minutes early and do anki

>>149346207
You're not mistaken. Anon is probably thinking about the "skip today's reviews" addon.

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>>149342066
Why are you even doing meme RTK? Don't you want to learn japanese?

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>>149345361
I started around the thread 1000. Im N3. I don't think I will ever get to N1 but that's fine I guess ;_;

>>149346303
associating meanings to kanji has been useful so far

>>149346368
Should have done KD

>>149343576
I have read a dozen of manga series and one VN so far and have always understood 100% of what I've been reading. I'm a bit surprised about all the "no" answers, didn't think DJT had so many impatient people.

Unless you're reading something somewhat advanced I don't see what's your excuse for not aiming 100%; it's just a matter of googling, using rikai, TK/DOJG and your head. And before you jump the gun on me, he clearly said
>on your first native material reading
which implies he's not saying reading a 3k5 Kanji VN.

What step settings do you guys use in Anki?

>>149346207
You're mistaken.

>>149346737
default for new cards, only one step for lapses

>>149346634
Yeah, same here.

If I want to understand everything I can, but sometimes I'm just too lazy or too tired to even try.
For example reading a random NPCs line when the first two already said nothing of importance.

>>149346634
>didn't think DJT had so many impatient people.
Really? This is where the Tae Kim 2 - 3 week cram and instant VN mining meme spawned. We always see a bunch of people rage quitting each month because of this approach.

>>149346126
Review 1 day ahead.

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>>149345964
Whatever, nerd.
>>149345999
>less fluent
Actually, the mental effort to consciously avoid loanwords is a great exercise to improve word recalling speed (something I always hear people complaining about when they can't converse in English in real time), and it doesn't take too much effort to get back to loanwords after I'm used to the kanji ones, since they are mostly Engrish.

In reality I make a much similar exercise with English sometimes, where I attempt to utilize secondary vocables and investigate how distant my cerebral thesaurus attains.

>>149346822
>Actually, the mental effort to consciously avoid loanwords is a great exercise to improve word recalling speed (something I always hear people complaining about when they can't converse in English in real time)
That's pretty dumb and stupid because word recall doesn't mean shit if you recall the wrong word.

It's hard enough to speak naturally don't try to learn to speak unnaturally.

Loanwords are still words. You gotta learn when the loanword is more common and when it isn't.

白人、黄人、黒人、茶人？？？
白い、黄色、黒い、茶色

>>149345133
Because everyone should read よつばと！ in Japanese.

>>149346754
I have my Core2k deck set to "1 10" and it fucks everything up, Again and Good are both 1m.

>>149346986
I just have lapses have a single step of 5 minutes.

>>149346986
That's normal for new cards. You don't press "again" on new cards unless there's a special reason, like accidentally flipping it, or thinking it's a word you know but it's not.

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>>149346779
The case of a game is a bit different in my opinion, since games were conceived in a way which balances dialogues and gameplay in a certain way, so reading in Japanese and thus slower gets more frustrating than it should be, to us.

If those NPCs would've been speaking English you'd have read what they said. At least I hope, can't say people nowadays have much attention span anymore when it comes to RPGs and such.

>>149346786
True. Just a few posts above some probably beginners attacking someone for RTK and recommending KD instead (simply because KD is quicker). Typical DJT faggots. I'm glad I started browsing DJT when I already had studied the fundamentals, while I think DJT is really a great place, it's also a pretty toxic one for gullible beginners with no self-discipline.

>>149346634
You didn't understand 100% of it, you just thought you did. You're not going to get 100% comprehend of native material for a long time yet.

>>149347035
You're most likely right, and I think it speaks true for everyone in this thread.

Still, making the actual effort to grind 100% understanding is still a much better approach than ignore anything remotely difficult while reading, because doing so is exactly what would make you progress the most and what will make reading feel rewarding in the long run.

>>149346911
公国白人、どこですか
公国黄人、生きますか
公国黒人、そうですか
公国茶人、それでした

>>149347128
>is still a much better approach than ignore anything remotely difficult while reading
No one's doing that

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>>149346869
>It's hard enough to speak naturally don't try to learn to speak unnaturally.
And this is why every ESL nowadays uptalks like a motherfucker.

I'm not going down that nanka shadyppoi path daze.

>>149347147
you should pay more attention to this thread then

not later than yesterday people were talking about skipping bits of what they'd read in their vn

>>149347019
>If those NPCs would've been speaking English you'd have read what they said
Depends on the game. Sometimes they provide lore and information about the world, sometimes whatever they say is just meaningless and every NPC is the same soulless clone.

Dragon Quest does that really well. I read everything there, even in Japanese.

>>149347217
What people mean is that they skip stuff if they've looked it up and still don't feel comfortable with. There's nothing wrong with that. Some things take time to develop a feeling for.

>>149347217
I did it plenty and it worked out fine.
What's important is that you don't ignore the N+1 and N+2 stuff. If you always try to understand that stuff you'll keep improving quickly. But it's completely fine to skip the occasional N+10 line. If your first VN has some line in classical Japanese it would be dumb to quit reading and go try to understand it at that point.

A while ago some guy posted some line like 右手に(some flower name)、左手に(some flower name). I answered him, but this is something that is very hard to look up what is going on. But if you just read a couple more VNs you'll see 両手に花 and the next time you see some slightly obscured reference it will be obvious.

textbooks are fucking　たかい

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>>149341294
Oh my god, my maid is getting retarded.

>>149342371
Felicia from Fire Emblem Fates.

>>149347463
Not really. You pay once and get knowledge for life.

I'm actually quite surprised how cheap manga/LNs are compared to local smut novels that all the ladies like to read.

>>149347463
But they're all free, how is that expensive.

>>149347463
Show me samples.

http://tracyalloway.com/autism-and-working-memory/
>In my research, I found that high functioning autistic teenagers had poor verbal memory - especially with new vocabulary words.

It's over.

お面を取れば死ぬ？

>>149348126
Not like I didn't already know that, I can barely remember English words

>13k mined vocab
>500 words in backlog
>Still mine at least 20 words a day

WHEN DOES IT END

>>149344573
Which parts of this do you find hard, H-kun?

...嗜虐催し...
...引き離しつ、
...責任転嫁の。
?

>>149348599
what are you reading?

>>149348620
The long sentences and grammar tricks on top of the vast vocabulary.

>>149348693
沙耶の唄
オレのラブコメヒロインは、パンツがはけない。
ケダモノたちの住む家で
鋼の錬金術師
インモラル・リトル
IDOLM@STER

FMA is the the worst for vocab, ridiculous how many rare kanjis I mine from it

>>149348693
屋上の百合霊さん
まいてつ
カタハネ

>>149348126
>autistic
4chan has taken the definition of "autistic" too far. There aren't many real autists around here. This doesn't concern us.

>>149349101
I'm legally and literally autistic.

>>149349101
Most of the kinds of people you find in places like 4chan are at least a little autistic

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>>149342066
Just do WaniKani, it's like ten times as helpful.

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>>149349197

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>>149349101
Autism is a spectrum, most here are at least mildly into Asperger's.

I used to be around 70/30 Internet-test-diagnosed aspie as a teenager, nowadays I'm 50/50 because I learned to keep only the advantages of it and do away with the shortcomings.
But I'm not going full normie because I'd want to kill myself.

>>149349380
Aspergers isn't "minor/mild autism", it's "autism with heavy psychopathic symptoms and minor intellectual impairment".

>>149349241
this kills the crab

>>149345450
doubt it

>>149349197
>>149349241
This... this is actually funny enough to make me want to give learning moon a try.

>>149349125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maLzqjYx1BM

Try this, I don't believe you.

>>149349525
Too bad because you can't

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>>149349197
>Just do WaniKani
I can't, it's just too much.
Anki's SRS is so much more forgiving.

>>149348599
I honestly don't know how you get so many mined words. You must mine literally everything you come across, in which case it won't slow until 20k or really stop until 30k

>>149349549
That's simply retardation and lack of basic logic.

>>149349241
>>149349197
Does wanikani teach you grammar?

>>149348599
I dunno fampai, my estimated English vocabulary is 12k and I only encounter new English words once in a blue moon.

>>149349711
I did used to do that somewhat, but I've gotten way more strict on myself recently, I only mine shit with unpredictable meanings or readings, or with rare kanji or kanji with onyomi that I'm not familiar with, but I'm still mining a fuck ton so it doesn't seem to make much difference

I have been mining for one a half years so 13k doesn't seem too crazy

>>149349735
It teaches you that you have awful decision making skills

>>149349823
>I only mine shit with unpredictable meanings or readings, or with rare kanji or kanji with onyomi that I'm not familiar with, but I'm still mining a fuck ton so it doesn't seem to make much difference
Well that's basically what I did (starting after reading for a few months) and I capped out at about 6k. I think I was at around 2.5k when I started reading Saya no Uta and Kikokugai and shit. So maybe you have only 4k left? Of course it will be more if you start reading true memehard stuff like souseki and mareni

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>mfw I mine so much, it sometimes tells me I already have that word in my deck

>>149349395
Are you autistic?
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/aspergers-disorder-symptoms/
>Asperger’s is considered the mildest, least severe form of autism.

My guess is aspies have problem with language learning because they lack the intuition for social context.

>>149350029
That means that you aren't actually learning.

NHK News made Easy is indeed useful as fuck
They even give the meanings of the more complex words at the end of the article

I know it's in the guide and how it's constantly overlooked, but everyone should seriously check it out if they still haven't done so

Why the fuck is the に particle such a bitch, even at a high level where I feel like I have a solid grasp of particles and most grammar in general, に just continues to throw me off constantly

>>149350132
No it just means it's one of the 800 cards I haven't got to yet.

>>149350144
Yeah just make sure to move onto harder stuff once you aren't having problems with any of the grammar

>>149350173
Maybe you're not at as high a level as you think?

DJTーちゃんお精液に顔を打つだった

>>149350057
Aspergers is considered the mildest, least severe form of autism. That doesn't mean it "is mild/minor autism". Aspergers is diagonal to autism as a whole.

People with aspergers have to have nonfunctioning, poorly functioning, or underconnected mirror neuron systems. That's the medical definition of psychopathy. Someone with aspergers needs to have psychopathic symptoms because of an autism spectrum disorder in specific.

People are usually not diagnosed with aspergers unless this symptom overshadows all the others, and it's not a significant intellectual impairment alone, which is why it's considered a mild form of autism. Emphasis on the indefinite article.

>>149350218
Don't be a jerk, he's firmly N3.

>>149350218
Well I know I'm not some Japanese god, I'm still only N2, but what I meant is that に feels like the hardest particle to understand past the beginner level

How many hours do you use for studying every day?

>>149350200
It's generally the vocabulary that gets me
I haven't even been able to finish はなひらっ because I just can't be assed to check every single word on Jisho
I'm starting 中級文法 today and intend to move onto more complex reads once I'm done with it

>>149349668
You'll never be fluent if you're that lazy.

>>149350218
While we're at it, what's the difference between に違う and と違う?

>>149350355
Jokes on you I'm already level 60 I just let it pile up intentionally to do it once every month or so

>>149350379
You just need to get a feeling for it man.

>>149350332
do more anki

>>149350521
So you don't know the answer?

>>149350552
I will. I'm just waiting for this entrance exams season to be over so I can go back to memorizing the shit out of Core

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>>149350562
Take this shit and eat it, that's your answer.

>>149350562
If acting on feelings/instinct = not knowing then I think most people don't even know their native language.

>>149350694
Maybe you're not at as high a level as you think?

と違う you can say, に違う you can't. Remember it from now on.

Now, what's the difference between と同じ and に同じ.

Why the fuck does のに mean "even though" as well as just being used to connect sentences together normally, I can't help but hear it as meaning "despite" every time

>>149350759
>と違う you can say, に違う you can't
http://yourei.jp/%E3%81%AB%E9%81%95%E3%81%84%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84

How does it feel to be N5?

>>149350906
That's に違いない, not に違う.

Review your hiragana and then answer what's the difference between と同じ and に同じ.

>>149350938
>>149350906
>>149350759
>>149350562
Jesus will you guys stop throwing shit at each other with your bare hands?

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>>149350969
Don't worry, we have special task forces for when things get serious around here.

>>149350969
I'm interested in seeing what local loudmouths know. And >>149350218 is seems to be a very active one.

You can learn something in the process by watching.

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喧嘩しないでください

>>149350938
Not him but what's the difference. The only think I know is that に同じ is pretty much only used in dictionaries and shit. Meaningwise they seem the same and I will continue assuming such until proven wrong.

>>149351038
He clearly knows more than you desu. Not that that's saying much.

Quit while you're ahead.

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>>149351059
誰が撮ったの、その写真？
恥ずかしい　(´；ω；｀)

>>149351038
I'm the one who posted >>149350218 and the guy you're arguing with is not me

You should really polish up your reading comprehension skills, because in no moment did I imply that I was more proficient than anyone here

Now stop being an argumentative autist and go do your reps

>>149350311
12

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>>149351065
Here. Starting with
>「と同じだ」は、

>>149351089
>「に違う」とはいわない
>その点、「に違いない」と逆である。「に違いない」は、「と違いない」とはいわない。
I'm in the goal already, holding a book written by a Japanese linguist, who sees the difference between と違う and に違いない and how you can't say に違う and と違いない. I'm not the one spouting only vague answers like "rely on your inctinct" where no instinct can apply.

>>149351284
Sorry, Hwa-kun, someone else is being a jerk then. Well, be glad you learned something now.

>>149351265
撮られたくなかったらなんでそんなにデカケツしてるの

>>149351407
>this is the guy that thinks you can't say それほど to mean something similar to そんなに
Sorry bro you're still on mt stupid.

>>149351407
It's wrong though because you can say に違う（にたがう）to say something runs counter to.

噂に違わぬ彼女の美貌だった

>>149351561
に違わぬ = 「に違いない」 though. So what are you trying to say?

>>149351500
No pal, that's a strawman in your mind. They're very similar, but not the same in all contexts.

>>149351664
>に違わぬ = 「に違いない」
hint: 違わぬ is verbal, 違いない is not

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>>149351763
に違いない = に違いがない

>ない (negative of ある) isn't verbal
t. you

>>149351897
Yes, ない isn't verbal. If you weren't a beginner you would know that.

You know nowhere near enough japanese to be arguing about grammar.

>>149351897
>Expression, I-adjective

>>149351921
>>149352012
>t. autistｓ using poorly fit English terms on Japanese grammar

I guess you don't know what 連体形 is and how ぬ and ない are both it.

Also buy the textbook called Japanese: The Spoken Language, it might help you get over your "verbal" autism.

>>149352077
I know exactly what a 連体形 is. It's an inflectional category common to classical japanese adjectives and verbs. Do you know what a 連用形 is? Do you know the role of the irrealis bases in classical japanese conditions?

>>149352077
>連体形
Do you mean 助動詞?

>>149352139
Technically, ぬ and ない both invoke 連体形 on the phrase they end. But he's wrong because he thinks that gives the base of the phrase the same semantic behavior.

I really wish people would try to dickwave by posting vocaroos of themselves speaking in japanese instead of arguing about unimportant autistic shit

When you see a word like 《変声機　へんせいき　voice changer》and you can read it fine and understand the meaning the first time you see it, but would have never know what it means if randomly heard in listening, do you mine it or let it be?

I think I have a ton of words like that that I immediately get when looking at the kanji but would never even think of when hearing the pronounciation alone.

>>149351389

So.. are you good?

>>149351407
>where no instinct can apply.
The instinct anon is just fucking with you. That being said there is nothing where "no instinct can apply".

Just saying.

>>149352200
let it be

Also
>still trying to study by reading instead of doing mass listening with japanese subs

>>149352243
>greentexting peoples' learning methods when you're a beginner

>>149351407
>and how you can't say に違う and と違いない
Literally everyone above an N2 level knows this without having to read any special books.

>>149352257
Why would you make baseless assumptions about people's skill on an anonymous imageboard?

>>149352317
Your methods betray your skill level pretty much directly.

>>149352243
I'm doing both, but thanks.

>>149352327
I have nearly 2900 confirmed hanzi buddy, don't mess with me.

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Please I beg you /djt/ explain radicals to me.

First and foremost what should I use to learn them and how do I do that?

I have different radical anki decks, one has like 200 radicals and the wanikani one has around 400.
I know wanikani has made up radicals, does learning these make sense?

Also what do I need to learn, do I only have to recognize them or do I need the meaning?


What I read so far is
>you can look up kanji by using radicals
>it's supposed to make learning kanji easier cause you recognize it's parts
>if you learn to write radicals you can write most kanji cause the stroke order is always the same

>>149352135
> Do you know the role of the irrealis bases in classical japanese conditions?
I know, those base names are like magic, right?. 未然形, 已然形, 未だ, 已に.

By the way, what's your stake in this pissing content? Print is print, it won't dissapear.

>>149352283
Then why did some guy have to break out his irrealis bases?

>>149352187
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0AgSeTeGDqn

>>149352387
>Then why did some guy have to break out his irrealis bases?
Sorry I don't know what that means and I don't care enough to look it up. But the answer is because you are engaged in an autistic dick waving contest.

>>149352373
Just read RTK
the RTK haters on here are retarded.

>>149352373
they're completely optional man don't overthink it. you just look at it and try to remember the english definition, the end.

>>149352373
>Please I beg you /djt/ explain radicals to me.
The original chinese characters were pictograms and combinations of pictograms. Eventually they stopped having a strictly graphical meaning because that was fucking retarded. Also words kept changing meaning and they had to make multiple hanzi for what used to be a single word, and differentiated them by adding extra random components.

Radicals are components that are used to sort characters in dictionaries.

>I know wanikani has made up radicals, does learning these make sense?
No.

>you can look up kanji by using radicals
Technically but it's one of the worst ways to do it.

>it's supposed to make learning kanji easier cause you recognize it's parts
It's technically easier and you should learn them if you want to but it's not a big deal.

>if you learn to write radicals you can write most kanji cause the stroke order is always the same
If you learn the principles of stroke order you'll go a lot further than that.

>>149352434
>But the answer is because you are engaged in an autistic dick waving contest.
True, and I wonder why.

>>149352431
Had to think at the end a moment to realize the "massacre" at the beginning was まさか

>>149352447
>read
If you decide on doing RTK you either do it properly and completely or don't do it at all.

I agree with the sentiment though.

>葬り去る

This has to be the chuuniest word I've ever seen.

>>149352387
>I know, those base names are like magic, right?
My favorite part is how everyone always mistranslates 已然形 and 未然形 for pretty much no fucking reason at all.

>By the way, what's your stake in this pissing content?
I saw a specific statement that was wrong and responded to it. I'm not part of the original conversation.

>Then why did some guy have to break out his irrealis bases?
You pulled out your dickwaving tool first.

>>149352228
no, day 2

>>149352503

Oh, keep it up

>>149352490
Well by read I mean study, write down every kanji, and basically follow the process, but that was too much to write.

>>149352477
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1EqFFTbmnIF

>Xanadu Next is out

there goes my studying for the next two weeks

>>149352475
Because you are both autistic.

Anyway, your current argument has nothing to do with the basic forms に違う と違いない since they are pretty clear cut.

But on the other hand it's pretty dangerous to say that something is *never* correct, and not particularly useful either. It's far more important to know what IS correct.

I don't have to tell you that "i was go store" is incorrect because you would never think to say it to begin with, because you know the correct version.

>>149352572
>と違いない
Yea this doesn't seem that bad I'm sure people say this occasionally, intentionally or not

>>149352639
I've never heard it at least. Partially because に違いない is more written language and people are more careful there

>>149352499
>You pulled out your dickwaving tool first.
Because I saw someone dickwaving here >>149350218 (And because I thought it could be fun to actually provide a proof of what I'm saying. I don't think it happens often here.)

Turns out it was Hwa-kun and he had no ill will, but some other people got mad along the way and now you see how it spinned out.

>>149352572
>Anyway, your current argument has nothing to do with the basic forms
Yeah, I know that's why I want to stop now.

>I don't have to tell you that "i was go store" is incorrect because you would never think to say it to begin with, because you know the correct version.
That's a good point. The book is aimed at Japanese university students, obviously they know what's correct, the book is there to stop them from making mistakes by stretching it too far. I still find it a worthwhile read. For example the section about usages of に and から and their overlap. And again, it's as you say, it warns about mistakes I don't feel I'd make, because I'd stick to the clearcut safe usages に and から.

Why are there anime images in the OP who allowed this?

>>149352684
No, I don't think I have either, but just googling it I can see a couple instances

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Is it normal to get a completely burnt out headache feeling after going through a whole news article with Rikai chan? Am I learning?

>>149352735
>Why are there anime images in the OP
Ban evasion

>nothing mined in the last two chapters of this novel
>helicopter takes off in one sentence
輸送機
固定翼
けたたましい

At times like these you are faced with your shortcomings.

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有害なゴミ。
無識者もたくさんいるから。俺はいつもこわかったんだ。傷つけてしまわないかって。危険があっても回避できないのが、無識ってことだからね。猫が車の前に飛び出すみたいに。…自制しないといけない。細心の注意でもって。けど毎日楽しくて、つい忘れてしまうんだ。
自分が何者かってことを。

>>149352735
(User was banned for ban evasion)

I don't know where this guy came from but he must have been bullied into fleeing from last place because my god he is annoying.

>>149352717
You really gotta stop calling everyone you don't like hwa-kun. It's a pretty sad way to define yourself as a notorious DJT autist.

>>149352776
>>149352814
>>149352735
>>149352830
wtf are u talking about why wouldn't anime be on /a/

>>149349668
That's why we hate WK. It's not that it's a tremendous waste of time or unproductive or anything, it's that it's so fucking strict and absolutely requires you to fully understand both kun and on yomi readings with perfect input precision before you're allowed to proceed. You can't just say to yourself "Oh, I knew that" or "Oh, off by one syllable, I'll give it a pass" like with Anki.

Here at DJT, we have to go fast. Pop 5 caffeine pills, take a double dose of ritalin and hit that enter button to burn through your mining decks and core 6k. It's the only way.

>>149352871
>take a double dose of ritalin
Don't do this. Taking ritalin and adderall at the same time? Sure. But not doubling the dose of a single amphetamine-class stimulant.

is japanese internet kinda strict and archaic? youtube channels disabling comments or having a bunch of rules like "do not mention other youtubers" and "do not talk too much to other listeners" seem to be perfectly normal to them

in a way they seem sort of innocent compared to us, but I know they have a bunch of weird shit as well

>>149352862
I'm talking about the dickwaving guy.

>>149352861
I only use it for the guy that doesn't use punctuation in his posts. He's pretty obvious.

And wow, I'm burned by being called an autist by a bunch of DJT EOPs.

>>149352937
There are a lot of us though

>>149352937
Well it's the "this guys an actual autist"-autist, not the "haha I call people autist for fun"-autist. Hope you know and get help for it.

>>149352918
>youtube
Just go to niconico

>>149352977
Yeah, knowing things must seem autistic from your point of view.

>>149352971
I hope not.

>>149352993
Yeah, downgrade your internet to dial-up while you're at it.

>>149352937
>I only use it for the guy that doesn't use punctuation in his posts. He's pretty obvious.

I haven't replied to you in a few months because it's funny that you've merged everyone who drops punctuation into a single amorphous supervillain who stalks you across boards

Soon you will be playing solitary DnD against your imaginary nemesis Hwa-kun and waking up in a cold sweat screaming Korean nonsense and checking to make sure no one turned on the electric fan

>>149352993
there's a bunch of cool stuff there, but it feels so slow and limited, can't even skip ahead without having a popup asking you to pay for this "service"
the site itself feels strict and archaic in a way

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>眼鏡のつる
ふむふむ

>>149352937
But I do use punctuation in my posts, you retard.

Is this good site?

http://kanji.koohii.com/

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>>149351059
欲しい

>>149353129
>>149353197
Split personality?

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>>149353314
And split IP too, apparently.
Mongoloid.

>>149353336
You seem very unhappy. Edgy dark theme on 4chan and all.

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>踵
Which of the 4 is it?
Getting real tired of your shit Japan.

>>149353415
Bright themes make my eyes burn when I'm browsing with the lights in my room off, which is pretty common

>>149353454
かかと and きびす are both common, at least.

>>149353503
部屋を明るくしてテレビから離れてご覧下さい

>>149353503
Browse with small lamp on? To me it feels better. And I recommend F.lux if you're not using it by now. It takes some time to get used to, but once you do, it's golden.

>>149352804
>無識者もたくさんいるから
stupid people do exist?

>>149353685
No.

>>149353590
Oh, F.lux looks pretty good
I'll give it a try
Thanks for the tip, anon

>>149353551
テレビじゃないよ

>てご覧ください
これを削除してくれ

>>149352918
Japanese Internet is also shit.
Bottom of the barrel まとめ websites, god awful blogs, zero sense of design, region locking everywhere, still using Adobe Flash

TV catch-up services mostly inexistent, billions of media platforms with limited catalog, etc.

>>149354713
>Bottom of the barrel まとめ websites
Nothing wrong with that.

Is memerise any good?

>>149354881
no

>>149354881
>>149354897

I learned hiragana and katakana with it

>>149354923
should've used kanateacher

>>149354881
It's like anki but it remembers your progress and you can use it from everywhere as long as you have a browser without having to sync anything.

>>149354939

Explain why

>>149354970
more efficient
>>149354966
you can "use it from anywhere as long as you have a browser without having to sync anything" with anki, too

the only issue is I think you have to add your decks using a real client, but memrise doesn't give you much freedom there anyways

>>149354966
There's an app too.

ドンドンの魔法の笛、私をペット馬の
This is N2 level poetry. Are you able to translate it?

>>149355121
no because i'm only n5

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>>149344538
What the fuck, I barely remember the half of Tae Kim I've actually read, but my Ankidrone abilities alone make this test trivial.

Now I'm starting to doubt N3 is any functional. You guys are pathetic.

>>149355121
With a ringading dinging magical flute, a trumpeting bitch to me.

>>149355121
If I did, I would mostly rely on rikai.
Fuck those onomatopoeia.

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>>149344538
>>149355279
I remember this question being posted long ago with like 10 wrong replies and a whole thread of arguing why the correct answer works.

>>149356551
What's the right one

>>149356551
What was the correct answer? に?

>>149356690
The third from right

>>149356690
４の

>>149356699
の

>>149356704
wtf? and it can't be の?

>>149356716
>>149356726
No

>>149356745
it's の
を is wrong because it's already used in the same clause
に is grammatically correct, but does not convey the correct information (it means "in the room" instead of "cleaning the room")

>>149356726
>>149356704
>>149356716
>http://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%9D%E3%81%86%E3%81%98
Should I trust jisho?

otouto cleaned his room

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>>149356751
Here we go again.

>>149356785
Difference there is it doesn't have を after そうじ like the test example, right?

>>149356751
>弟は部屋のそうじをしました
>little brother was doing room's cleaning
I don't understand the problem here.

>>149356551
It's が

>弟は　へや＿　そうじを　しました。

弟は　へやを　そうじを　しました。
My brother did cleaning the room.
弟は　へやに　そうじを　しました。
My brother did cleaning in the room.
弟は　へやが　そうじを　しました。
With regards to my brother, the room did cleaning.

弟は　へやを　そうじ　しました。
My brother cleaned the room.
弟は　へやの　そうじを　しました。
My brother did cleaning of the room.

>>149356900
the room itself did the cleaning? damn... sasuga japanese technology

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Fuck your N5 questions, read this big news

>>149356551
に and の could both be used surely

>>149356967
に is grammatical but it represents the wrong information and the information it represents would normally be written a different way.

>>149356948
I haven't even fully watched the original anime, will that be a problem?

Hmm...
本当に考えさせる

>>149356999
You are in luck, it's not airing any time soon so you can watch the original anime now to get ready for the new anime

>>149356948
Hopefully this means we'll get more Sakura-themed OP pics.

>>149357000
実際に、ちょっと易しいですね
出来ない人が面白い

>>149357058
Rewatching old anime where you missed 20% of episodes is so boring though.

Isn't there a manga or something I could read insterad?

>>149357127
yes, and it's only 12 volumes

>>149357127
>"reading" manga
>>149341308

>>149357184
Nice, I hope it's lewder than the anime.

>>149357193
daily japnememes thread

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>>149357346

Is it supposed to take over 2 hours every day to do my Core 2k Anki thing? I'm only learning 25-30 new cards day.

>>149358231
Takes me 36 minutes for 226 cards

>>149358268
Christ.

>>149358231
How do you even manage to take 2 hours a day to do core 2k? I have mining deck on top of that and I don't spend more than an hour reviewing.

>>149358350
Because it takes me forever to get a card into my short term memory for even five minutes.

>>149358231
Lower to 20.

>>149358365
Eat healthier, sleep 8 hours minimum per day, drink more water, use mnemonics.

>>149358449
>use mnemonics
I feel dirty as fuck whenever I try to do that. Like I'm some kind of memelord or something.

>>149358449
I can't into mnemonics except for the simplest kanji.

Is 競争 the best word for competition/tournament in this case?

>アメリカの最大競争に勝った

>>149358736
天下一武道会

That's what dragonball taught me.

>>149358685
If your retention is that shit, at least you have an excuse for using mnemonics.

>>149358808
america isnt under heaven
we reside above it