I finally understand why I can't stand English dub. >They

>>148793056
>Do any of you feel this way?+ 0 post omitted.

No, I love dubs.

>>148793056
fucking this

they try too hard and it comes off really forced

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>>148793056
Japan is a language so chocful of various honorifics that it's hard to effectively translate to English. You always run the risk of sounding either too formal or too informal. Especially considering English is a pigdisgusting pleb language that doesn't even differentiate between formal and informal forms of "you".

I use Spanish dubs so I don't know

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>>148793278
Make me laugh

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Western dubs suck because ALL western female voice actresses are terrible at sounding "young."

It's awful.

Name one dub that has a passable performance for a loli or a middle/high school girl character. There is literally nothing worse than a western whore trying to do a loli voice.

It now sounds like it's written by bitchy failed english majors who have a minor in japanese.

I miss the dubbers and writers of the 90s. Those guys had fucking fun with it and were actually talented people.

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>>148793056
thank you
I always wanted to explain why I really hate american dubs. You described it perfectly.

>>148793500
Nanako from persona 4, dubbed in the game and anime.

I like some dubs for shows that are less 'animeish' (dont have that moe/cliche elements). Black Lagoon is a dub that I am very fond of.

>>148793640
Are you joking? Dub-Nanako is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. She doesn't sound like a kid, she sounds like a 40 year old raising the pitch of their voice as if that'll make them sound like a kid.

>>148793500
It's not just the females. It's the script in general. Like this guy said >>148793555

>>148793056
>pretentious
isn't really the right word, but I know what you mean. Listening to twenty something year old women try so hard to sound like cute girls is really off putting. Not even western cartoons sound this bad.

>>148793555
This, go look up Berserk dub outtakes.

Nowadays instead of getting talented VAs, they just half-assedly pick out random people who kinda have similar voices to the Japanese VAs but can't act worth a shit.

>>148793056
> English dub
> Japanese dub

An English and a Japanese dub. What language was it originally in, Chinese??

>They try too hard
Unless they're trying to sound like they're reading the script for the first time, no. If you read through a wonky slightly melodramatic script for the first time you pick up on it and go full ham. Like people reading Shakespeare for the first time sound like they're telling a nursery rhyme, only less extreme. Turning it into something like human speech takes practice, good direction, acting talent, and producers who give a fuck. Fucks are so expensive dubbing companies can't afford to have any.

>>148793056

>dubs

There's two fundamental problems with dubs.

1. They never do the original script justice because they can't translate the many meme words in the Japanese language. Stuff like a character having a weird laugh or ending all their sentences with a specific suffix.

2. They insert shitty western memes and often times distort and destroy the original content. Giving you a completely different impression about a particular character based on a weird mistranslation and ad-lib by the voice actor.


Just watch it in the language it was made for. Dubs are always fucking cringy. Doesn't matter if it's based on a Chinese canopy drawing or a live action french movie. Subs are always the way to go.

Or just learn the language.

>>148794597
How to go about learning Japanese?

>>148794647

Search nearby community college and look for languages they offer. It's what I did to learn Spanish and Portuguese for work.

Might be harder for oriental language since they are more complicated do to their moonrunes.

You could always try self taught method and look up language guides on the web. Personally, that didn't work as well for me as actually being in a classroom and being forced to speak the language with a bunch of other people. All of use collectively looking like retards, while the professor tried to hide her chortling.

>>148793170
"you" was originally formal/plural.
Aristocracy would use plural pronouns (we, us) when referring to themselves because they represented not just their individual selves, but the people they ruled, and by that nature required to be addressed with the plural "you"
Thee and thou were singular forms of address used by the lower classes and among equals.
English/American speakers adopted "you" in the 18th century as appropriate for addressing a single individual regardless of social standing.

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>>148794647
Go to free uni stupid burger

>>148793056
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>>148794597
Holy fucking shit, dubs are bad because they have to match the mouth flaps, you stupid, uneducated jackasses. It doesn't matter if you get world class actors and writers; the fact that they're restricted in their timing means that the dialogue will always sound unnatural compared to the original.

If you watch scenes where the character's mouth isn't shown, the acting is always much better. The intonation and cadence are natural.

>>148793056
Its probably because I always watched subs but dubs just feels artificial and soulless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw_yJhRG_R0

>>148795049
>dubs are bad because they have to match the mouth flaps, you stupid, uneducated jackasses.
Explain the existence of good dubs.
Explain how something can be dubbed into two languages with one dub being good and the other one being bad.
Explain the (incredibly rare) event in which the dub trumps the original.

>>148794935
>implying burger is an insult
Try harder Europoor

>>148795242
To be fair, that's the absolute worst example you could've picked. MUDAMUDAMUDA/ORAORAORA is a Japanese thing that simply has no English equivalent. It's a problem inherrent to the process of translating rather than something the VAs or even the director can be blamed for.

>>148795291
>Explain how something can be dubbed into two languages with one dub being good and the other one being bad.
English is a bad language to dub in, because English speakers talk slower than many other languages.

The Spanish dub of DBZ sounds much better than the English dub, because Mexicans talk as fast as the Japanese do.

>>148793500
>Western dubs suck because ALL western female voice actresses are terrible at sounding "young."
This is my biggest problem with dubs, the VAs can't fit the part like the japs do.
Dub VAs can't change their voice to sound like a high schooler or whatever they are playing, instead you get high school females sounding like 30 year old dyke SJW feminists like the VA playing them and high school males sounding like a 40 or 50 year old man like the VA playing them.

It is probably due to technique, all the nip VAs have at the least basic singing skills obtained through their training which allows them to change their voice much better and easier people that can't sing.

>>148795367
Sorry, since I was playing last op lately this was literally on my frontpage so I picked cause I am lazy.
Still even Speedwagon is dubbed badly.

Only show I watched dubbed was Cromartie and that was when I rewatched it with friend

English is a cool language but it sounds cringy as fuck in dubbings.
I think it's because it's too over-acted.
And english dub actresses are absolutely unable to sound cute.

>>148795596
>English is a cool language
It's certainly more versatile than Japanese. I'm really getting sick of every villain talking the same way.

>omae
>kisama
>tada no ningen

>>148795699
）ただの人間

Fuck, I haven't laughed this hard in a while. Thanks, anon.

>>148793500
The guy's daughter in Hell Girl. But she was overshadowed by poor performances. I'm just glad nobody is using actual kids who can barely read the script like in Akira.

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>>148795699
>>It's certainly more versatile
>He says, as he goes on to discuss pronouns
>A category in which English is exceptional in not even differentiating between formal and informal, unlike every other major language
>A category in which Japan is exceptional by simply how many pronouns it has for different levels of social standing and respect

You know that omae and kisama would both be translated as simply "you" in English and lose all nuance because of it, right? Not saying English isn't more versatile than Japanese, just saying your example is the one area in which Japanese is more versatile than most other languages, and English exceptionally unexpressive.

>>148795049
>Holy fucking shit, dubs are bad because they have to match the mouth flaps
Literally not an issue in anime.

>>148793056
That still doesn't fix the shitty casting, acting, directing and editing
Not to mention all the censorship and translation errors

>>148797140
I just stated the reason why I don't like dubbed anime. Sure, there are plenty of things wrong with them, but the one I stated just sticks out to me.

>The original is just as bad as the English dub, you just can't tell because you don't speak Japanese

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>>148797379
>but muh mouthflaps

>>148794906
That's nice, but really not of much use in the present. As it is now the lack of nuance is a problem when translating from a language that has multiple ways of saying you in everyday language.
Hell, I can use three different yous depending on who I'm talking to, five if I don't mind sounding old fashioned/old. In exchange my native language has no gender specific pronouns so that can pose a problem when translating.

In this regard I agree with the other anon that English in its current form is sorely lacking.

>>148796756
In English we don't have to have every villain use a rude form of "you", idiot. For instance, in English, you could have One Piece's Enel use a more personal form of speech, like, say, calling his enemies

>mortals

But, no, the Japanese just has garbage, generic

>KISAMA

It's fine to be a weeaboo, but you have to accept the limitations of Japanese.

It just doesn't feel right to me. It's the same as how I wouldn't watch Spongebob in Dutch.

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Japanese voice actors are infinitely better, there's HUGE fucking competition to get anywhere in that industry and if you suck at your job you'll get ousted pretty fast.

Whereas the Western VA scene doesn't have that competition, thus there's no big strive to improve. Also the pay and job is pretty shitty so how do they ever expect to bring in talent.

>>148797507
>In this regard I agree with the other anon that English in its current form is sorely lacking.
Objectively wrong. English is a thousand times more nuanced than Japanese. It isn't even close.

>smell
>scent
>odor
>fragrance
>aroma

There's a dozen ways to say the same thing, each with a difference connotation. This is because English is a dumping ground for several different languages. We have French, German, Latin, and Greek roots, along with loanwords from dozens of other languages.

>>148797795
>English is a thousand times more nuanced than Japanese. It isn't even close.
It is also the best most effective and efficient language in the world. It's the language of business for a reason other than it being the language of the number one country in the world, the US.

>>148797795
>Objectively wrong.
Anon, you are awfully keen to just rabidly disagree with me when I am not disagreeing with you that English has its very strong points.

However personal pronouns is not one of them.

The cool thing about Japanese is that you can read a small paragraph of dialog and immediately tell what kind of person is speaking, their sex, age range, social standing, that kind of thing. With english sometimes you can't even tell whether the person is american or british.

>>148793056
As a native english speaker I can tell when an english VA is phoning it in. It's much harder for me to detect in Jap audio.
This doesn't mean good dubs don't exist though. I liked Cowboy Bebop and both FMAs for example.

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>>148797379
No, no, no. If this is true for you, then you have a defective brain. I can hear bad voice acting in the Japanese just as much as I can in the English. I've dropped anime before because some of the acting was terrible. There was one where someone was doing their worst old man impression possible while voicing an elderly character. It was ear rape.

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My only problem with most dubs is when they have the voice actor for "shy, quiet girl" (which there are an assload of in anime) speak in that high pitched whisper voice, and it sounds so unnatural and awful that I want to immediately drop the show.

>>148796756
>Japanese is more versatile
>English exceptionally unexpressive
>K-K-KISAMA
>COCKSUCKING FUCKTARD
Yeah bro totally unexpressive hahahaha

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>>148797795
>This is because English is a dumping ground for several different languages. We have French, German, Latin, and Greek roots, along with loanwords from dozens of other languages.
When will monolingual anglophones realize every language works this way? Or do they think all other languages just fell out of the sky one day until God personally pulled the US of A out of the ocean and blessed it with His own language?

>>148799545
>He says, as he goes on to discuss pronouns
>Not saying English isn't more versatile than Japanese
Learn how to read English before you start defending it

>>148799633
Did you not read this
>>148797795
There's a reason why you don't see Japanese as anything more than a niche language, the only reason it's so popular is because of fat neckbeards who want to be at their spiritual kawaii homeland.
Just accept it. Please. For all of us.

>>148797746
This.
No competition and shit pay isn't going to make you want to be better at your job.

>>148793056

Not really. What bothers me is that annoying american accent all girls get. Sloppy and slutty, they're trying to adapt it to american feminism.

Also notice how the panty shots are blurred and bouncing boobs are gone. Liberated women in america still needs to follow the dress code of saudi arabia.

>>148799748
>Did you not read this
I did. Several posts after my own posts. And it doesn't undermine my comment about your lack of reading comprehension. Especially considering you missed the part where I explicitly stated I never denied English being a more versatile language than Japanese overall.

How long are you going to keep insisting I claimed something that I never claimed, only to keep knocking down that strawman?

I think a lot of English VA's get their start in theater, where you have speak and enunciate in a certain way so the audience can hear you. They bring that habit to the dubbing booth and it doesn't sound right.

>>148799941
You don't understand, faggot.
I'm not arguing to prove a point, I'm arguing for shit's and giggles.

>>148794768
>You could always try self taught method and look up language guides on the web.

You can start by looking up a guy named Yuta Aoki, he makes some simple vids regularly discussing aspects of japanese you wont learn from textbooks.

>>148793056
>2016
>finally understand
You must be 18 to use 4channel.

>>148800080
But anon, we're all little girls here. I'm still in elementary school.

>>148799927
>Liberated women in america still needs to follow the dress code of saudi arabia.
You're not thinking of the children.

>>148793056
No. The problem lies somewhere else.
IT'S ALL DUBBED IN THE AMERICAN ACCENT.
Disgusting.

>>148793500
A few of the MLP VAs are really good.

N-Not that I watch that crap...

>>148800321

Should it be dubbed in an English accent? Japanese accent? What is the most appropriate accent if not American, which is far more neutral than the other choices?

>>148800264

But I am. In my country they wear miniskirts and noone cares.

In america you get fined if you show your shoulders in public.

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>>148800386
The answer is always Glaswegian.

>>148795242
Holy shit thats terrible

>>148795367
Everybody sounds like shit in that clip, the lack of passion in that USELESS has nothing to do with translations

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>>148800452
>OI LADDEH, ONE OF THESE 'ERE DAYS AMME BE KING'AE THE PAERATES
>'ERE BE ME BANKAE, YE BASTARD
>SENPAE, I BE KAWAII DESU NAE?
>NOTICE ME ALREADY, YA GIT! AMMA GLASS YE!

>>148797890
>It is also the best most effective and efficient language in the world.
The most efficient at producing dyslexics maybe.

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>>148800451
But american children are more sensitive to carnal corruption.

>>148800386
As long as they stick to one or the other. Witcher 3 annoyed the shit out of me because one character would have a Cockney accent while the one next to him has a Midwestern American accent. Pretty grating imo.

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>>148800568
Go on.

>>148800658
Spotted the autist.

>>148799586
No, English is pretty unique, and it all comes down to the Norman Invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_England

French, Spanish, German, and Japanese are not as varied or irregular as English. This is both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, English has a lot of ways to say something. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to have to learn it as a second language.

>>148800746
What is autistic about that?

>>148793056
Death Note is the only dubbed series that was even remotely good

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>>148800829
I liked the Squid Girl dub

>>148793056
out of all the anime i watched DB is probably the only anime i prefer over subs.

geez the japanese DB voices suck.

oh yeah cowboy bebop was pretty good

>>148800859
That picture isn't funny.

>>148800658
>Places can't have foreigners
Are you retarded? There are multiple people in each city who say they are from different lands. Of course they are not all going to speak the same way, with the same accent. Especially if you're talking about Novigrad.

>>148800877
Looks like it was you who was the autist all along.

Dubs are shit

>>148800906
>hurr I'm wrong
>Better call him an austist
Nice retort, friend. Brush up on linguistic knowledge before you say stupid shit.

>have a roku and use Sling

>go on Cartoon Network to see if anything is good

>it's all trash btw

>wait for Toonami

>One Punch Man is on

>Saitama's VA is horrendously bad. Cant pull off his nonchalant demeanor at all and sounds way too fucking forced

>uninstall Sling

Im learning moonrunes to ever avoid dealing with dubs

>>148800774
>On the other hand, I wouldn't want to have to learn it as a second language.
I found it incredibly easy to get into English. My only real problem with it was the strong disconnect between pronunciation and spelling.
Agglutinative and tonal languages are the true challenges.

>>148793216
you cringe

>>148800774
>On the other hand, I wouldn't want to have to learn it as a second language.
English is a pretty easy to learn second language, though, thanks it's extremely simple grammar. And since it has roots in many other indo-european languages, the chances are good you will be able to easily remember many words thanks to similarities.

On the other hand, it is in fact far more difficult to learn as a first language. There a few other languages with a grapheme to phoneme correspondence as fucked up as english, which makes it difficult for many kids to grasp the fundamental concepts of reading and writing, which is way English has a dyslexia rate about twice as high as more straightforward languages like japanese or german.

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>>148801076
I find it interesting how most people who learn English in public schools for 12 years and from their English-speaking society have a lesser understanding of the language than people who learn the language from non English-speaking countries.

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>>148800969
Literally explain how I'm wrong, sperg. Its just laziness and inconsistency. But obviously I've insulted your favorite vidya gaem so maybe you're better off not replying. I don't want you to damage your keyboard.

>>148800568
Rejoice.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwmhVOltUJo

>>148801229
>I find it interesting how most people who learn English in public schools for 12 years and from their English-speaking society have a lesser understanding of the language than people who learn the language from non English-speaking countries.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I'd like to hear an ESLfag tell me about sincerity vs honesty in The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin or explain to me how Frederick Douglas manipulates cadence to get an emotional response from the reader. Or maybe just tell me why the passive voice is the worst form of writing, except in certain circumstances. This is all stuff you're taught in high school in America.

>>148801328
I'm kidding. No, I understand what you're saying. Although, I do agree that having consistent accents would have been more immersive, I don't think most people besides linguistic nerds really care about the differences in the accents. As long as they all sound poor and uneducated, then people aren't really going to care.

>>148797890

>It's the language of business for a reason other than it being the language of the number one country in the world, the US.

That is mostly the reason why it's the current dominant lingua franca. Though this may not always be the case, I've heard it said that Chinese because of it's complexity and other factors will not become the dominant lingua franca in the future.

>>148793500

Matsuri from Strawberry Marshmallow seemed fitting to me.

>>148795492

That might be because being an anime VA in Japan isn't a second or third string job like it is in the US.

Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of dub VAs are simply people who couldn't cut it in the movie or show business or maybe even on the stage. Radio isn't really a thing anymore, so the aforementioned are what you're going to be aiming for. Yeah, Japan has a movie and TV industry, but it's nothing compared to the West. You make it in the West and you're being broadcasted all over the world. You make it in Japan and you're basically a niche unless someone in Hollywood calls.

>>148793056
i always thought it was because anime dialogue is just cringey in general and the fact that i can understand it(audibly) makes it cringey

>>148801504
Dude, it just sounds like you're repeating the syllabus from your class last year.

I was IB/AP way back when and I couldn't answer those questions either.

ESLs usually study the rules as teens while we absorb them naturally as children; just talk to some Swedes and you'll notice their English is more technically "right", yet lacking in naturalness.

>>148801717
I understand enough to watch shows with easy/few dialogue raw and believe me, the english dub is usually more cringy.

>>148801765
i mean it must be cringey when people speak in generally different way like they do in anime. I always thought that the non-anime watchers in japan just thought it was cringey.

>>148801551
See now this is a response I like. We are both right in different ways. Its not like it made or broke the game for me, it was more of just an exaggerated observation. But I doubt such big differences in accent are present in other language dubs of the game.

>>148801988
Of course the dialogue itself often IS cringey as fuck in the original as well, but I feel the translation often even adds to that. Though to me it doesn't seem to be as bad for English as it's for German. Then again I might be biased there as it's my native language.

>>148801730
I'm just saying that a native speaker is always going to understand the complexities of his own language more than someone learning it as a second language.

>>148798247

>With english sometimes you can't even tell whether the person is american or british.

Maybe if it's not your native language. I can usually broadly tell if a person if from the US (Possibly even the region), the UK, or Australia.

>>148801988
From my experience, the Japanese really like to use cringey or corny words and phrases even outside of anime, so I don't even think it feels all that weird to them.

HEY MAN THAT'S LIKE TOTES MCGOTES RADICAL OH MAN JUST LOOK AT HOW THE TIME FLIES BY IN LIFE TOTALLY RADICAL MAN

>>148802164
>had to explain an Englishman what gaunt means
>had to explain what calling him dense means
>correct another on his misuse of empirical instead of imperial (was not a slip of the tongue)
>this is only the tip of the iceberg
I wish I could share your optimism. Native speakers should be better but plenty of times they are maddeningly inept. Don't even get me started on "fancy" vocabulary.

>>148798247
>With english sometimes you can't even tell whether the person is american or british
With enough exposure you can.

>>148802453
>I wish I could share your optimism. Native speakers should be better but plenty of times they are maddeningly inept.
Not him, but maybe except for the first example that's just idiocy you will find anywhere in any culture and language.

>>148802453

>gaunt
>dense
>imperial vs empirical

You were talking to fucking morons. Every language has morons. You will find 99% of native English speakers know exactly what those words are (with the exception of empirical, being a more obscure and traditionally scientific term).

>Japanese voice acting
>Comes off completely natural

>American voice acting
>Comes off completely forced

Wanna know why? Because in Japan being a voice actor is actually a viable job. And not just voicing characters but also going to events and shit like that. There's tons of girls/guys trying to make it in that business so there's lots of competition. The shit ones fail or at best get to do a one-liner for some background character. The good ones stay and get to voice main characters. So obviously the voice actors are going to do a good fucking job. Then there's also the fact that the anime studio works with the voice actors themselves and syncs the characters lips to what the voice actors are saying. In USA you have none of this, the voice actors don't give a shit and it's literally the same 10 people working on every single localized anime. The men are always either old fuckfaces that can't do any voice other than "I'M AN OLD, GRIZZLED MAN!" or young fuckfaces that can't do any voice other than "I'M A YOUNG ADVENTURER WOOHOOO!". The women are a mix of shit, worse shit, and nasty shit. None of them can do a proper loli voice so any anime containing lolis (even without pervert shit) is fucking shit.

Then there's also the fact that I don't fucking know what the japs are saying so I don't pay too much attention to every single word.

>>148802715
Yeah, voice actors, particularly actresses, make a ridiculous amount of money in Japan. There's a huge demand.

Whenever there's a dub of a foreign animated film that uses screen actors instead of traditional voice actors, the quality is always better than your random anime dub.

>>148802715

>t. someone who has never seen the Western VA industry in his life

If you don't think voice acting is extremely competitive in LA you might actually be retarded.

>>148802788
Tell me how I'm wrong.

>>148793056
nah mate. i watch it because i want something that is a total departure from fackin' western entertainment and that includes the language and voices.

>>148802788
There's far less money in it in America than in Japan. Only a few cartoons come out each year, and none of them are really expected to be able to push merchandise. Video game voice acting is certainly on the rise, but it's still not such a huge industry that gamers can name more than one or two people at most.

I hate dubs because it always seems like they're talking really slowly.

>>148802812

For a start the voice over/voice acting industry is huge in America as well. The fact that you see the same people so often is because they're extremely talented. You can't even find work if you don't have several years experience on top of an excellent repertoire. The difference between the West and East coast alone is immense.

>>148802909

America doesn't do as much animation but that isn't to say what is out there isn't highly competitive. There's also a greater demand for diversity and character for voice over i.e. movies and commercials.

I wouldn't use exposure as much of an example, outside of obsessive communities you won't find anyone that can name voice actors in Japan or America, because people who aren't obsessed don't care.

>>148803023
>The fact that you see the same people so often is because they're extremely talented

No they're not. No anime voice actor has a large range of voices they can pull off.

>>148803023
>I wouldn't use exposure as much of an example, outside of obsessive communities you won't find anyone that can name voice actors in Japan or America, because people who aren't obsessed don't care.
The point is that fans of animation and video games in America can barely name one or two actors, whereas fans of animation and video games in Japan can name dozens, at least.

Being a VA in Japan means a hell of a lot more. You make more money and get more exposure.

>>148802559
>>148802556
Yes, I'm aware. That was kind of my point, you can't claim a native speaker will always be better and not account for stupidity or borderline illiteracy.

Frankly, I don't even disagree that native speakers in general have a more natural feel for their language, that's a given, it's just that absolutist claim that left me mildly miffed.
Oh well, I'll go back to sucking dicks.

>American actors voicing 15 year-old japanese girls
>Sounds shitty

Who would've guessed?

>>148793056
I hate it because it's fucking garbage.

>>148793056
>Do any of you feel this way?
The way I feel is that they mostly don't fit the characters. Out of all the English, Hungarian and German dubs that I tried I could only enjoy/tolerate the German attempts.

>>148800451

I'm having a hard time figuring if this is what foreigners actually believe. Even the most conservative parts of the US have skimpy clothing.

>>148800867

Japanese DB actually grew on me over time, especially Goku's. Now I don't even find it weird that he is a grown man and has such a scratchy voice.

Voices for western cartoons are fine though. Somehow only the anime dubs come out like shit.

What are some dubs that are actually better than the original Japanese? English or not.

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>>148793056
This is probably the only exception

>>148795492
>sounding like 30 year women
FTFY

>>148803023
I thought most of the anime voiceover recording in the West was done in Canada?

>>148794597
>2. They insert shitty western memes and often times distort and destroy the original content.

You made me remember this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao

>>148804841
Even then, the parts without the jokes are kind of shitty.

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>All dubs are bad

>>148805007
>That video
This is precisely what is wrong with dubs, bad script and high school characters sounding like 30 or 40 year olds.

>>148794647
You you use the DJT guide and stay the fuck out of DJT.

>>148793056
For me, it's probably because they all sound the same especially when numerous characters sound like they had the same VA and the VA isn't even trying to sound different for the different characters, almost like the anime only have 2~3 character if you're not watching and just listening. And for whatever reason, the dub voices sounds so cringy, especially female character voices.

>>148796945
Of course it is. You can go on all you like about how the animation is done before the voice acting. It doesn't change the fact that it still isn't randomly timed, as the script is done beforehand. It would be bad enough if they were two similar languages.
Either they have to adjust the dialogue according to the mouth flaps (limiting their translation options) or fuck up the synchronization.

>>148799748
>the only reason it's so popular is because of fat neckbeards who want to be at their spiritual kawaii homeland.
There is zero need to learn Japanese for that purpose though. The stories of monolingual burgerclaps living there for 10+ years are endless.

>>148795049
literally isn't an issue as I have seen animes that sync with their English dubs and is timed noticeably different. And as seen in Yugioh or Gundam Seed, scenes/frames could be plastered over or redrawn.

>>148806827
>animes
>dubfag
Pick two.

>>148801504
It might sound dumb but that is what many teachers agree on, try asking ESL teachers or English tutors. The ESL/non-native students after their learning phase often have a more technically correct English than their native counterparts.

What you listed out has more to do with tone or the underlying mood of the composition and not the grammar technicalities that post-ESL student often strive at.

>>148803023
>...have several years experience...
and that's how you never ever get any new voices to the mix because the new voices are never allowed to even enter the field.

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>>148793056
You cannot understand English dub because a direct translation of what the Japanese speakers is saying is fucking retarded as shit in Japanese.

You're just such a fucking weeb you cannot understand that real Japs don't talk like that. It is awkward in all tongues. You can just gloss over it if you are reading subtitles because you can auto-correct the dumbassshittery of the dialogue under the guise of "they speak like this because it is deep and reflective and their native tongue".

Dubbed anime is the best because you cannot much deeper with someone you can directly understand. Shame so few anime has dialogue that isn't pantsu on head retarded around the globe.

>>148805007
why do I feel like I heard this same voice all over the place? Like in all English dub shows that I have seen? is it Pokemon?

>>148807566
Relax anon. or perhaps, you're a bait but I will reply anyways
That's not the problem. For me, the problem with dubs have less to do with the content but the lack of different voices and, more importantly, the mismatched/missing tone that is in the dialogue.
And I am sure no matter the language or whether you understand or not, you can sense the tone in the voice.

Plus if you don't like the content, you should probably just not watch/ drop the show.

>tfw a 20 year old toy advert was the only dub I could've handled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwOKCsDfa7Y

>>148793500
This so much. They sound like they're too embarrassed to attempt at imitating a child's voice even though they're being paid to flex their "voice talents".

Hell, most of the western "actors" sound too timid to actually put effort into impressions, as if they'll be scorned/made fun of by their colleagues, which is why there are so many one-voice wonders. Of all the times to be shy, why the hell do they have to choose them while in a recording studio?

>>148793056
Most dubs suck but some dubs are awesome. It's really just that simple.

>blatantly talk shit on dubs
>still can't can't speak or listen to Japanese
>2016

You better stop this already

>>148810749
what"s your point?

>>148810749
nigga u better lock your doors or you gon' get the fist of fury bitch