So. I bet this is 300th thread about this fucking topic, in this

>>148755891
Because Anno is a talented, creative man but a robot at heart.

By being so imaginative and eloquent he expressed in a unique way the machinations of the robot psyche and, by association, the 4chan ethos.

What I still haven't figured out is if evangelion is well received by normies or is art that can be appreciated only by robots.

>>148755891
its not even that impressiv

>>148756492
How much do you think his hatred for Ot*kus fueled his creativity?
I like to imagine him giggling and cackling like a madman in his office, murmuring stuff like "Hai, hai, thisse weeelll confuuse the Gaijin pigdogs velly much, fufufufufu".

I suppose EVA was very personal to Anno it dealt with a lot of stereotypes in Japan (Some of which he obviously disapproved of). And it dealt with his own personal struggle with depression, or at least the Animu did.

>>148757264
this. also it must have been painful for him and for creative people it is often the only way to part with the pain by putting it on the paper. or on the celluloid in this case.

>>148756747
you do know Evangelium means "good news" do you? I personally think he made it for the new generation ("neon genesis" duh) to help not to fall into the same pit he did. Didn't really help that much, but at least he tried to help instead just sitting and giggling at the sad fucked up autists.

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>>148760944
That is a very positive view, maybe it´s corect. It just sucks that the fanbase obvously didn´t get simple hints like pic related.

>>148761221
No matter how blunt he is with his message, no one gets it, most people still dont get 3.33 and the whole commentary in rebuild

>>148760944
And you do know that anno has been recorded saying he only called it NEON GENESIS EVANGELION because it sounded cool and foreign to him

>>148761221
I still haven't been able to find that specific Asuka plush. Or Rei for that matter.

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>>148761287
So, if this guy was not able to wake the fanbase up, how the fuck should we or society be able to?
Or do we even want them to wake up?

>>148761483
That image is for one of the screenings of Death and Rebirth, Good luck tracking down a plushie made in the late 90s and probably never made available to be bought online

>>148761221
yeah, I really don't get this whole Annotroll shit. It was funny at first when Rebuild just came out and people were guessing whether it was sequel, prequel or whatever and at some point everybody just started to say "it is trollquell and Anno is a troll so we can stop thinking". And then suddenly everything he did does or will do in the future is 100% confirmed trolling. Well I don't really care for Rebuild, but this whole viewpoint is kinda stupid. Even if made ironically it's not that funny at all by now.

>>148761585
I'm aware anon. MFC does have items from before then. Probably a UFO catcher plush.

>>148761414
Yeah... because he is clearly the type of man who does his point clear by saying it blatantly straightforward and loud...

>>148761595
In my opinion he wasn´t trolling about that whole "depression/hedgehogs/lying to yourself stuff", I think he really meant that part.
But I think the mythological stuff is mostly bullshit to make it sound interesting.

>>148761525
We dont
Finding out what anno really means behind his works is something left to the individual to do alone

Forcing some one to try to understand a point of view is useless

>>148761685
But he did, Look up Anno's interview on his old elementary school, some kid asks him about the name, he flat out says because it sounded cool
Anno is introvert as fuck, yeah, but watching his interviews AND reading his wife's manga about living with him, you realize the dude is quite simple sometimes
The name is one of those times, He said he wanted a name to tie in with the angels, so he grabbed a dictionary and looked up words
The most "Deep" meaning in the name he ever admitted to was that he wanted the idea of a "New Gospel" in the name, hence NEON GENESIS

>>148755891
I don't think Eva was entirely because of its message or quality. A bit of that, but also the market was "ready" for a work like Eva and it just happened to come along at the right time

>>148761968
Eva is like Bladerunner
in a vacuum or after all the hype you hear about them, they are not THAT great, but they really caused an impact on their mediums when they relased

>>148761844
I would call it bullshit. He needed some sort of material to shape the story and the world with. The main parable is "everyone is a world" so if we gonna to dissect a human from his birth to the point of him becoming a true complete person, we have to start from the well start and assuming the said human being is a world - we need to start from the very creation. He could have taken any creation myth out there and he choose Judaic/Christian. Could have been Aztec or Chinese. Wouldn't change that much.

>>148762158
* I wouldn't call it bullshit...

>>148762158
Chinese isn't alien enough to Japanese. Aztec is too alien. Same for Mayan but RahX did it anyway.

Eva a shit.

Getter Robo, Mazinger Z, Gaogaigar... hell even fucking Gurren Lagann murder it in quality.

>>148762328
Believe in the you who believes in the me who believes in the you who

>>148762328
>he didnt get it

To be quite honest, Anno's greatest achievement was creating the late night psychological grimdark anime "genre".
Nobody before him had ever incorporated Freudian psychoanalysis into anime.
If you ever want to blame somebody for contemporary anime characters' long, boring introspective monologues, blame Anno.
Just about everything else that showed up in Neon Genesis Evangelion had already been done before in at least one anime.

>>148762328
Can't compare outside the genre, anon. Those are hot blooded mechas

>>148761414
I don't get people that say shit like this.

Yeah, he said that in the interview, but do you think he just heard the words "Neon Genesis Evangelion" in a fucking dream and though it was cool? What he was talking about if you even actually watched the thing was about how the religious symbolism isn't very relevant to the themes and was mostly added for stylistic flavor.
Obviously he must have come in contact with a ton of combinations of cool foreign words he could have used as a title while researching those things, but to think he picked one of them at random and not the one that might have some significance when translated while still sounding "cool and foreign" is unreasonably cynical.

>>148761921
> ...He said he wanted a name to tie in with the angels, so he grabbed a dictionary and looked up words
The most "Deep" meaning in the name he ever admitted to was that he wanted the idea of a "New Gospel" in the name, hence NEON GENESIS

so where is the contradiction? Of coarse he didn't had the name instantly, duh. I say he wanted the title to represent a certain idea. i.e. had key elements named (yes, exactly which idea is up to debate), and then after shuffling through the candidates he took the most cool sounding one. Assuming the title is a random word combination just because the author said "it sounded cool" is extremely shortsighted. Especially if you don't have the slightest idea what this person's idea of coolness is.

>>148762494
>If you ever want to blame somebody for contemporary anime characters' long, boring introspective monologues, blame Anno.
Funny I don't recall any contemporary anime that have this. Now 96-06 or so yes

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4.0 when?

The genius of Eva is that it hides its generic scifi backstory so well that it seems like it isn't a generic backstory. Once stuff about the "first ancestral race" got out then you knew it was very standard and rote but brilliant in execution by refusing to reveal all the details.

>>148762494
Yes, eva is not the first in many aspects, but its the one that made it popular

>Female Lead Singer in OP
>Late night TV slot
>more than one female heroine
>color coded female heroines
>tsunderes
>Kuuderes
>Reluctant MC

The list goes on

>>148762656
That´s Good Storybuilding 101, Anon. Every writer/director with only half a brain knows not to reveal every single detail.
It´s what made 2001:ASO so fucking good.

>>148762656
I wouldnt call drop feeding it though several semi canon games brilliant in execution

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>>148762604
Since Godzilla is out, maybe in a year or two

Anno apologized for taking so long on Godzilla and that he is working on 4.0 already

>>148762721
Not many anime writer/directors have brains.

>>148762758
I'm referring to the handling of it in the series itself. Ideally the PSP game would not exist and would never have revealed the backstory so openly.

>>148762711
Yeah and let´s not forget the thing stuff like OPM is nowadays famous for: Deconstruction.
I think NGE was the first anime to really break down all those clichees and show their true (ugly) side.

>>148762758
That's Gainax running shit into the ground after it was a success

You can infer everything you need to know from the last few episodes and EoE, the games are for retards and insane EvaGeeks tier fans

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>>148762799
Thank you

>>148762804
>PSP
Anon, Im talking about the several PS2 games, not the few PSP ones

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>>148762865
>that image

I'm fucking dead

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>>148762804
>Not Many Writers/Directors have brains

Fixed that for you

>>148762867
All the PS2 EVA games except Girlfriend of Steel 2, Detective Evangelion, Typing Project-E, Ayanami Raising Project came out for PSP too with added content, and I don't think those games released much in the way of the backstory. I believe the major backstory leak was in an extra "encyclopedia" in one of the PSP ports of one of the PS2 games.

>>148755891
>???
Kill yourself and everyone who didn't tell you to kill yourself

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>>148762988
I've got more of it

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>>148762711
>more than one female heroine
>color coded female heroines
It seems like you haven't watched enough '80s anime. Ever heard of Gunbuster? Dirty Pair? Macross?
>tsunderes
It's literally the oldest archetype in the book. There are too many examples to list.
>Kuuderes
Ayanami Rei was meant to be a deconstruction of the "weird alien-ish girl who doesn't understand human feelings" type of character that often pops up in Gundam anime (remember Lalah Sune?). Besides, she's not even a kuudere character. She's a dandere.

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>>148763323
Chill dude, I found one image I hadn't seen before funny, no need to start a dump on it

>>148763305
Yes, I did, re read the post
all of those already existed way before, but EVA's popularity is what made those concept popular

Also by heroine I meant probable love interest for the MC, Noriko is a different type of heroine than asuka, Noriko is the MC, not some one for the MC to interact

>>148763398
Cancel this, pls dump your EVA memes. I need them for scientific purposes and stuff.

>>148762494
>>148762711
>>148763305
>>148763445

people tend to overvalue the importance of "being the first one". being the first one in line doesn't make you special. lucky - yes, special - not really.

Einstein compiled his Relativity Theory out of like 4 or 5 different unrelated things from different areas other contemporary scientists made - his genius was to actually see they fit together like jigsaw puzzle tiles. Shakespeare didn't invent his Hamlet - it was a Scandinavian folk tale already like 1kyo at that point. The way he told this tale makes it stand out to this day.

Just because some or even all parts of NGE could be found elsewhere doesn't cheapen it's value. Quite the contrary, if you ask me.

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>>148763749
It's not that hard
If you're going to lurk more nge threads you'll find them.

>>148761287
>no one gets it, most people still dont get 3.33 and the whole commentary in rebuild

elaborate because im one of those people

>>148764780
Defending 3.33 is just the trendy thing nowadays

>>148764780
Jesus Christ, how fucking dense can one person be?

You are Shinji, you dumbfuck. You, the viewer, the Ot*ku-scum, who covered himself with pretty fantasies to flee from the harsh reality. You hate and don´t accept yourself, that means, you´re not even actually existing. And you don´t want to go near people, because they could hurt you, so you are never able to see who you are. In short, you are weak and hiding from reality. And Hdeaki Anno fucking hates you.
This is (in short and messed up order) the message of the last two episodes of the original NGE and EoE.

>>148755891
>300th
add a couple zeros

>>148765046
so it's the exact same message from EoE and the anime series?

>>148755891
By being a fucking fantastic director and by coming up with a bunch of wild shit like nobody had ever seen before. His story and characters were trash, but it didn't really matter given these other two factors.

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>>148765159
>His story and characters were trash
>fucking fantastic director

>>148765046
He doesn't hate you but believes you can be better and more social and functioning than he himself was able to be.

>>148764780
Don't be deceived, 3.33 is garbage, only idiots and contrarians defend it.

>>148765387
At least that was the message of the series EoE I am still wondering what the end and shinji's choice meant.

>>148765387
Ah yes? I always thought he was very malicious and hatefulled when creating NGE, and he was right to be.

>>148765694
When has he ever been hateful? He's made comments about otaku culture over the years, but they're coming from a guy that's been there, he's also stood up for the same otaku when outsiders do the same. There's no judgement from him but concern.

>>148765787
Okaaayyy. Maybe I was wrong.

But anyways, I love his deconstruction and meta commentary, really an awesome guy.

>>148765262
Well, that's more the writer's part.

>>148765694
The series literally ends with Shinji realizing all that you said and realizing that dealing with those things in positive ways might be hard, but is possible and beneficial for the people around him as well by proxy. It literally says "and to all the children, congratulations" as the very last thing. Who do you think the children are?

NGE can be present things in catastrophic and horrific ways but the message was always very uplifting in a very basic way.

>>148767107
Anno was: Producer, Director, Script, Storyboard, Key Animation, Mechanical Design

>>148761221
I don't even consider myself a fan, but EoE is a fucking masterpiece.

>>148755891
>300th
legit closer to 3000

>>148767226
This fucking madman!

Shit thread. Kill yourself OP

>>148763320 is the legit Eva General Thread

>>148768341
That is also a shit thread.

>>148763896
I agree with this anon

influence > chronological occurrence

>>148761221
There's a difference between getting it, agreeing with it, and acting on it.

IF anything of this whole "Anno did it for the message" thing is true, then, honestly, Anno's not a guru; he shouldn't expect to simply guide his flock towards greener pastures just because he made an anime.

Some people are gonna like rei, some people will never get on well with others, and reality doesn't always beat fantasy, not for everyone.

"Paradise can be anywhere, as long as you're alive" Says more about your lack of standards, than about the human condition.

>>148770491
>"Paradise can be anywhere, as long as you're alive" Says more about your lack of standards, than about the human condition.

Oh please, don't distort his words for the sake of justifying your jadedness. What he's saying is that as long as you're alive it's possible to work towards improving any situation. You might never be able to turn your circumstances into paradise, but the possibility exists and working towards that is better than killing yourself.
He's not saying you should settle for whatever shit you got and pretend you're happy.

>>148770784
Don't kid yourself. You're life is fucked. Don't bother trying to improve it. You are just wasting time.

>>148770837
Well that's a valid point of view too, it's just that Anno disagrees.

>>148770837
>these are the people that made Anno hate his audience so goddamn much
Can't help but feel for the guy

>>148770784
I'm not THAT jaded, it's just that this is coming from the woman that razed the planet and traumatized her son in a new age ploy to become inmortal.

Anno prob didn't mean it like that, but honestly, a lot of Eva puts responsability on the children that is completely the fault of the adults, and I'm not sure if that doesn't say something about Anno's intended message. In such a context, saying things like that feels not so different from "Grin and bear it, what you get is what you deserve".

>>148764780
1.11 is Eva
2.22 is what Eva fans think eva is (according to Anno)
3.33 is what Eva really is (According to anno)

Basically he is trying to drive even more the message of EoE but being as blunt as he can, 3.33 is not a mistake, it was made that way to piss his fanbase off as hard as he could because he fucking hates them

>>148770931
Stay in denial bro. Keep trying and failing. I'll be laughing here.

>>148755891
He was depressed at the time and understood the struggles that can only be understood by someone experiencing them.

>>148770941
Well that's more sensible.
From my point of view though it seems as if Anno picked Yui to say that exactly because we have so little info on her to try and interpret what she intends her words to mean, and as such he can speak through her to the audience.
I could just as easily as you argue that she says that to Shinji precisely because she just razed the planet, and thus he'll need that advice.

>>148771034
If you're failing, I doubt your laughter means much, no?

Honestly, if something is not your fault, then it's unfair, yeah, but not funny.

But saying "Society owes Shinji" "...And Rei, and Asuka, and..." is something that I'd really be surprised to hear from Anno.

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>>148771034
The anon's naivete likely stems from their lack of age or actual struggle in life. It can't be helped.

Or they're just a normalfag.

>>148770941
>a lot of Eva puts responsability on the children that is completely the fault of the adults
Isn't it always like that though? You get to live in a world that's entirely fault of the many generations of adults that came before you, which all used to be children in the same situation at some point as well. That's what I think Gendo as a character is supposed to represent.

>>148767532
/a/ has been around for awhile so the number of EVA threads is quite possibly much much larger.

>>148755891
>So. I bet this is 300th thread about this fucking topic, in this week alone, but I just have to ask:
Not really, people barely talk about eva anymore.

>>148771094
Coming from the woman that did it, a "Sorry" wouldn't be out of place.

>>148771154
Yeah, well, I don't really buy it; but if he really thinks like that, then Anno should be making spite Anime to /another/ audience.

Then again, maybe he did in godzilla, I'unno

>>148771034
>>148771130
>if you've faced real problems, you can either become jaded or be too dense to care
>no third way about it
Funny how it's actually you who's in denial here

>>148771275
I want Shin Gojira torrents to show up so bad man.

>>148771291
To be fair, not all problems are made equal, and people can be really stingy with pity.

Pity is evil/wrong/pathethic comes mostly from the people that don't need it

>>148771186
I miss the non stop 2.0 and 3.0 theatrical release threads

so much fun, so much shitposting, so much speculating

>>148771367
I think 3.0 pretty much killed all enthusiasm for eva

>>148771359
>Pity is evil/wrong/pathethic comes mostly from the people that don't need it
Or the people that are in denial about needing it

>>148771354
>>148771275
Every one that watched Shin Godzilla says its the best non EVA EVA movie ever made

Most of the soundtrack is just the NGE and Rebiuld OSTs remixed with a bit of Gojira funk

>>148771397
What u mean? Personally can't wait for 1.0 + 3.0

>>148771446
It was shit on endlessly for being a piece of shit. Getting served up a piece of shit isn't great for your expectations of what's to come. And it isn't fun to talk about a piece of shit.

So that's why there's so few eva threads anymore, and probably just general eva fatigue.

>>148771446
This, cant wait to see his magnun opus, if all the theories that 1.0 is eva, 2.0 is eva as the fans sees it and 3.0 is distillate eva suffering are right, 1.0+3.0 will be great

>>148761414
You do realize that he said right before that that he's not good at explaining things, right? But keep being retardedly reductionist, how else would we have a discussion on /a/

>>148771476
Maybe the threads died just because it's been 6 months and still no word about the new movie.

>>148771508
Six months? Eva has been a dead topic since like 3 weeks after 3.0 came out. Between 2 and 3 there was constant speculation and discussion but now there's jack shit.

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>>148755891
He did it using his depression

>>148771561
I was just quoting slim. It's been almost 5 years since 3.0. you can't expect threads about a 5year old topic.

>>148771561
To be fair, this is a 20 year old show daily threads, do Dragon Ball, Sailor moon have as many?

>>148771591
Considering the show itself is 20 years old and people talked about it regularly until that movie came out I don't agree.

>>148771561
No shit it would have been tons of speculation, 2.0 ends on a high note hook
It literally ends with shinji going full gar and everything else exploding, it was a massive bait hook to make the fans pumped just so the huge contrast of 3.0 was even more strong

3.0 on the other had ended with a much sad tone and the whole theme of the movie is despair, wile the previous one was on full blown action mode

No shit people are less hyped for 1+3 than they were for 3

also, there are loads of eva threads every now and then, several of them are like this one, with people analysing every single frame of it, others are the classic waifu wars, and some are even just focused on the lore of the series, just because you dont get out of your current series generals doesn't mean people are still not talking about eva

>>148771637
That's because the show is considered a masterpiece and a de facto classic. It also has a lot of potential for discussion regarding analysis and interpretation of the core concepts and themes presented.

The movies aren't as much about the meaning of the story as original eva. It's just a story, so there isn't as much stuff to analyze or discuss.

>>148771637
It's literally faggots trying to force a dead topic with "What the fuck did I just watch" or "About to start, What am I in for".

>>148771718
>>148771748
sounds like bullshit excuses to me

>also, there are loads of eva threads every now and then, several of them are like this one, with people analysing every single frame of it, others are the classic waifu wars, and some are even just focused on the lore of the series, just because you dont get out of your current series generals doesn't mean people are still not talking about eva
spare me the bullshit, unless I'm somehow on an extremely specific sleep schedule opposite all these eva threads I don't buy it. I barely see them anymore

>>148771795
>Excuses

That can invalidate literally any defensive argument. Elaborate.

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>>148771400
Or you could stop being such a softie fuck and realize no one "needs" pity. If the hand your dealt is shit and leaves no room for maneuvering, you shouldn't feel compulsed to "pity" someone. What does the pitied party gain? Nothing. Why do you think a pity fuck is seen as abysmal?

You just want to feel good about yourself by pretending to care about someone like every other normalfag out there. "Pitying" is hardly a novel or precious activity.

TV show itself isn't that great, but you have to watch it all to enjoy and completely understand The End of Evangelion which even today manages to be the greatest and most beautiful animated film ever released.

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>>148771429
https://youtu.be/_HfE1wR0fPg

>>148771825
Pity that someone, even.

>>148771825
It's not about people that pity though. It's about people that want pity.

>>148771822
>People don't care to talk about this one because X

If the movie was good people would talk about it. There are a lot of movies with a sad theme that are loved and a lot of action movies that get shit on.

3.0 got shit on a lot, not because the philistines don't understand a deep mournful masterpiece but because it was an illogical piece of garbage.

>>148771795
There is a thread every odd day almost, you are probably just missing them

>>148771902
>If the movie was good people would talk about it.

There are HUNDREDS of good movies and series that where popular, but never get talked about anymore.

But I don't care anymore, so cya later.

>>148771958
typical

>>148771825
Pity is an emotion, no? How you act on it is what's important, and if it is, then all that's wrong with "pitying" is that you don't care about the object of it, only about yourself. That's Hypocrisy, and it's basically always wrong, pity's got nothing to do with it.

So yeah, self serving "pity" is bullshit, but the what's wrong is that your actions, if you pervert compasion to be all about yourself, then no shit it's wrong, but that's not what anyone's ever meant.

If you say "Pity is wrong because it doesn't help" but you mean "pity is wrong because I don't want to help you", then you're an asshole, no two ways about it.

>>148771902
3.0 got a lot of shit because its whole point is despair, its like Komm susser tod was made into a movie, everything goes to shit, it keeps getting worse and worse because of the actions of an ill informed character trying to do what he thinks its the best
3.0 is a love it or hate it movie, because it did very well on what it was supposed to do, devide the fans, even the fucking VAs were talking about how much spliting the script was months before 3.0 hit the silver screen

3.0 is not a bad movie, and its not a hard to get movie either, it was just designed from conception to make people mad because its a full 180 of the previous movie, "what was once happy now its sad"

If you dont like it, fine,but at least apreciate how much balls Anno had to write, direct and produce a movie that would for sure make more than half of his fanbase hate it, and even more balls to make the previous movie such a fucking bait to it

>>148771825
This is the truth. Teach a man how to fish etc. People don't need pity, they need help to help, ideally with helping themselves. However, that help can be fueled by pity. It's the cause to the beneficial effect. In itself, pity is rather egotistical. It is also given falsely quite often, springing from a false sense of superiority. It reminds me of people donating to charities that fight symptoms to silence their conscience, instead of identifying and eliminating the cause, which they would do if they truly cared enough to give the situation a thought beyond battling symptoms.

>>148772225
*they need help, ideally to help themselves

I should go to sleep

>>148772184
>If you dont like it, fine,but at least apreciate how much balls Anno had to write, direct and produce a movie that would for sure make more than half of his fanbase hate it, and even more balls to make the previous movie such a fucking bait to it
Or more likely, had no idea what he was doing and threw something together after scrapping everything in the initial 3.0 preview because people were talking about how uncharacteristically upbeat 2.0 was.

But I forgot Anno is an infallible genius

>>148772115
Pity devalues sentiment because it's given out by overly sentimental individuals. The moment pity stops being egocentric it stops being pity altogether.

>>148762799
I believe you, but is there a source of sorts for that?

>>148772184
>it did very well on what it was supposed to do, devide the fans,
it's okay it was supposed to be shitty

>>148772225
Saying that something's like "Teaching a man how to fish" asumes that skill is all what makes "you" different "them". I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Most of the time "Helping someone help themselves" is just an excuse to do the least involving thing posible that could possibly help someone, just so that you can feel like your hand are clean. It's more of the same doing it for yourself, because you don't think the other deserves to be as you do.

>>148772348
That's just semanthics at this point.

Pity and compassion should mean the same thing. But calling Compassion Pity, and calling Pity wrong is the canonical way to deny someone.

Besides, "pity devalues sentiment" is basically drilled into everyones skull nowadays, it's not a self-evident.

>>148772184
>Make a shitty movie
>Get called out on it
> "Hey guys, I made it bad on purpose!"

Dude.

>>148772519
>Pity and compassion should mean the same thing
But that's semantics you hypocrite.

>>148772710
Come on, I said as much.

Just imagine "IMHO, " before every statement, It's not like the opposite would be true.

>>148772519
By helping somebody to help themselves I meant helping them to stand on their own two feet and achieve happiness on their own accord. That is what the entire "give a man a fish or teach him how to fish" is about. It means helping people to be self-sufficient and look after themselves instead of helping them once and soothing their ailments for a limited period of time. Teaching a man to properly fish is harder than just giving him something to eat. But it will make an actual, meaningful difference. It takes time and thought to help people in such ways and thus, teaching a man how to fish can be considered more altruistic than just giving him something to eat.

>>148771025
This is such a fucking retarded excuse.

>The studio gave us a bad sequel.
>It was intentional, commentary.

Who CARES?
It was still BAD.

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>>148774298
Nah, I liked it. That means it was good.

Any Eliot Roger Shinji edits?

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>>148774547
If there's one thing Shinji isn't its a supreme gentleman.

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Man I just re-watched 2.22, fuck me if that isn't a great fucking movie. It's such a tight story, the film tells it so efficiently! The music is so good! It's so beautiful! It's so hype! The girls are so cute!

I mean, even if it isn't super-philosophical and introspective compared to NGE (It is compared to most anime), are there really people that don't like it?

>>148764780
3.33 is trash, only contrarians try to defend it, don't worry.

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>>148774762
>are there really people that don't like it?
There are. I'm not one of them but I see where they're coming from.

When you have Shinji Ikari actually pull himself together and save the day the way he did in 2.0, it becomes polarizing. You have those rooting for him and those that can't accept he really took things into his own hands because of who he is (an opinion reinforced further by the next movie.)

To admit, I was thrown off on first watch because I didn't expect it to play out like that, but it was a phenomenal sequence nonetheless. It's just a shame Anno didn't follow up with it. As someone who likes all the Rebuilds I'll admit the general hate for 3.0 is justified. Especially after all the potential 2.0 brought to the table.

>>148775779
3.33's Shinji only became stupid because people refused to tell him anything. Things would have panned out differently if they did tell him everything and not to get into an Eva at the end. Even if Rei clone kidnaps him, he wouldn't have piloted it.

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>>148774762
There's a reason that it's pretty much universally hailed as the best rebuild. It's a legitimately good movie, not just a good Eva movie. The only people who really dislike it are pretentious dicks who have a certain view of what they think anything that has to do with Eva has to be like. It's the same reason they'll defend 3.33, they don't care about a good narrative or plot structure, they only care about "mindfucks" and Shinji getting shit on. 3.33 is literally mindless drivel.

Wow, this thread is really interesting and made me understand a lot of things about the meaning of Eva that I hadn't get. Thank you Anons. Probably the best thread I've read as a 2 years newfag. <3

>>148765046
what the fuck? is this really in the line of what you're supposed to "get" from the anime? i almost immediately understood the message the first time, and i was wondering what the fuck EVA was about because i thought there was something deeper than this. like, that whole thing about the otaku and shutting and closing yourself from others was almost literally shoved in your face throughout the whole series, and the last two episodes were in the lines of, "oh, so he really did mean that"

if i'm wrong, someone explain pls

if i'm right -- what's the matter, /a/? plot to deep for you? go watch a baby anime like lucky star

>>148772184
If you dont like it, fine,but at least apreciate how much balls Anno had to write, direct and produce a movie that would for sure make more than half of his fanbase hate it, and even more balls to make the previous movie such a fucking bait to it

He did not do this on purpose.

He doesn't deserve to be praised for being ballsy, because it was an accident. It's not something he WANTED to make bad. If you genuinely believe that, then you're an idiot, who doesn't understand the mind of an artist.

No writer ever strives to create something so genuinely terrible. It was a mess of a story and on a very basic level, ignoring the fact that it was an Evangelion piece, it was terrible.

>>148776275
>No writer ever strives to create something so genuinely terrible
not in the CURRENT YEAR

>>148774762
It's my favorite of the Evangelion Rebuild series and probably my favorite Evangelion piece. I enjoy it more than End of Evangelion, because I can watch it just about whenever and have a good time. I usually only re-watch End of Eva when I'm down in the dumps and need a pick me up.

No, I'm not getting the two movies reversed.

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Jesus christ, evafags is more pretentious than the anime itself.

>>148776338
No.
Writers. Creators. Artists.

They don't like making /bad things/.

3.33 is not an example of something that was intentionally polarizing or off putting. Because we've seen what that looks like before, we've seen what that looks like from Anno, and it was not 3.33.

>>148776461
>evafags is
Dumb ESL shitter

>>148776165
hey, come on, someone reassure me if i was right or wrong

>>148762102
Eva hasnt aged badly though
Eva 1.0 proves it still works

>>148762711
I think the only thing eva really did well was shinji, cos hes a pathetic bitch but not 100% pathetic bitch, he has his moments of triumph

>>148776499
You know, I'd argue that even 2.22 was far more off putting than 3.33 tried to be. In the context of EVA as we knew it, 2.22 seems like the furthest thing you could expect from the series. But it comes along and wows you in a good way.

3.33 was simply Anno trying way too hard to go the opposite direction.

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>>148776802
was she the only one out the the three with her head straight or was she repressing what she did when she was younger?

>>148776769
seriously, 3.33 killed all of my hype
the first one was like "oh, an eva remake, with a few changes here and there"
the second one was giving more hints about the changes, and i felt all of the characters were better than their original parts, even gendo was a tiny bit less of a dick, and got a jaw-dropping ending (at least for me).
and the third one shoved in my mouth all the crap i didn't like about the original eva.
then again, i don't know if i should call myself an eva fan, because i ate like 20 minutes of crap on every chapter, just to witness like 5 minutes of raw awesomeness in each fight.
and it kinda pissed me off that a lot of people was like "3.33 was awesome! anno is back to his roots, keepin' it real and shit, yo!"

>>148776630
There's more to it but generally, yes you got the message. Add on to that
>other people are as fucked up and fearful as you are
>it's possible to overcome your grievances and become a better person.

>>148776949
thanks for the reassurance

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>>148776915
>and the third one shoved in my mouth all the crap i didn't like about the original eva.
See, EVA at least made sense. 3.33 seemingly started as shit thrown to a wall and built up from there. A sizeable portion of anons withheld they're opinions on it long ago because it felt unfinished, hoping they intended to fill in the gaps with FINAL. Keep in mind it was supposed to come out months later at the time.

2.22 worked so well because it was clear in what they set out to do. It was a reconstruction of EVA's deconstruction. If they intended to go forward working backwards starting from 3.33, it falls flat because from our point of view it doesn't know what it wants to be.

What really pisses me off about Eva 3.33 is the Beast Mode, that makes no sense in the Eva lore, since the Eva are godified human beings, why the fuck should be an animal part in them? The Beast Mode of 2.22 was borderline acceptable, since it can be seen as the most savage part of an human being, but the one of 3.33 is a goddamn tiger. Why Anno? This is shitting on your own work.

>>148777241
They just didnt explain anything in 3.33. Like absolutely nothing, and shinji goes back to moping, except instead of moping with everyone around him doing things, hes moping in a vacuum
It took all the bad parts of eva and put them into one movie

>>148776769
2.22 wasn't that different from the second arc of NGE. Rei was too sugary but other than that it wasn't that different from Ep 7-14

>>148762769
>t. ADHD

>>148762721
> Every writer/director with only half a brain knows not to reveal every single detail.

"Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages." - Kurt Vonnegut

I guess the most celebrated American author since Mark Twain is a charlatan?

>>148776769
2.22 was anno giving you what you wanted so he could take it away

when you honestly look at it, 2.22 was pretty bad

blatant fanservice, ZERO tension in the fights,there's nearly zero pacing or characterization. it even takes out the long silences that people complained about in the series

it's legitimately bad, and people like it BECAUSE it's bad. it's what people wanted the original series to be, a bunch of otaku fanservice with zero substance.

that's the point.

the people on this board have awful taste.

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>>148777338
I think it's a wry commentary on how everyone loved when unit 01 went berserk.

the point is they liked those scenes because they had tension. but people wanted MORE BERSERK. MORE FANSERVICE. MORE ROBO POWERS.

he gave it to them in 2.22 and they loved it. he gave it to them MORE in 3.33 and they hated it, and all of a sudden, the fans realized their taste was trash.

he's saying, go ahead, drop eva. PLEASE drop eva. please drop eva and watch some super robo harem anime with ten times as much fanservice and beast modes. you'll never be happy because your taste is trash- is what he's saying.

he's saying to grow up, not to criticize the movie itself- pic related

>>148775860
thats one of my biggest problems with both the show and the movies, lack of basic communication!! so many problems would never have occurred if the characters actually talked to each other like real human beings

>>148780604
No, well maybe. I get that the message of Eva is to grow up ecc., but I think that anyway you have to respect the Story. I think that respecting the Story is everything, both for the author and the watcher and for this reason I can't stand porn adaptations, shipping and fanservice (even if I'm getting used with this one, despite being one of the reason I disliked anime years ago). Given that, I think that the beast mode is bullshit, also because the message to grow up was clear with the original series and with the dichotomy between 2.22 and 3.33. There's no need to throw away the realistic approach in that way. Also one can enjoy anime and be a normally functional human (well, not my case but whatever), so the "drop Eva" thing is bullshit, the message is (or should be) stop being obsessed with all the shit that you have built around Eva. One can also be in love with an opera by respecting it.

>>148781056
Exactly. Everything in NGE happened because Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Ritsuko kept secrets from the bridge crews and Misato. 3.33 clearly shows that Misato and Ritsuko didn't learn a thing from 1.11 and 2.22 about keeping secrets from others.

Normalfag here.
Evangelion didn't impress me in the least and I disliked most characters when I watched it.
Still good anime.

>>148781075
read interviews with anno in the 3 years since 3.33 came out.

he said that newer viewers didn't resonate with the old eva beause it was too real and too painful.

he explicitly has said that he made the rebuild series in order to give newer viewers the "hooks" that they get from newer anime, including the transformations, etc.

he has a big problem with moe because it's a selective lens that perverts reality and destroys a person's mind from the inside. he creates the anime to interface with the viewers, then slap them in the face by showing them what they like is stupid. the further that modern otaku remove themselves from reality, the harder it becomes to create a work that is itself grounded in reality.

he has said this, explicitly. he didn't make eva for you, because 'semi' normies left anime behind a long time ago. he doesn't care about you, he doesn't care about movies any more, he doesn't care about art, he has come to hate movies nad film. he made eva rebuild to wake people up. he didn't want to make a good film, and then have the film be so good that people say in their trance. he has said this word for word

>>148781056
To be honest, many problems everywhere would be solved if people actually talked to each other. Fiction just often highlights it by making it more noticeable.

>>148781233
Really interesting, would you mind linking some of this interviews (otherwise I'll search for them myself, but you already know what to look for)? Anyway I disagree on two thing. First of all transformation and that kind of nonsense have been in anime for years, also before the original Eva series, so I don't see why they should make Eva more appealing now wrt 20 years ago. Also I don't think that trowing at someone stuff he is drugged off can help him waking him up. On the other hand it kinda worked since everyone hated 3.33...

post sexy asuka pictures pls

>>148755891
Eva is not good

>>148784437
>he didn't get it

If you haven't watched Shin Godzilla yet, do it now while the release is still extended.

>>148786135
I'm in Italy desu...

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It's Khara's 10th anniversary.

>>148786135
I forgot to watch it. It's only playing once a day in the two theaters around here. Closest airing is in the ghetto.

>>148780518
2.22 isn't legitimately bad. It's a legitimately good movie. The only movie that's truly bad is 3.33, it's indefensible garbage.

>>148789446
Really? The theater near me has been playing it like 6 times per day for the last week.

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Let's post something completely different.

>>148776461
better than being an EOP shitter like you

>>148789684
Oh wait I read that wrong. It's only on Saturday.

>>148786135
>tfw shitty third world country with no Godzilla ever

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fucking masterpiece

>>148791545
>You have infinite freedom, but nowhere to go. You only exist, but can´t go anywhere.
Mind: BLOWN!!!

>>148793390
>>148791545
So this is what murikans desire

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>Eva 4.0 is never coming out