Wait wait, which Macross is supposed to be great of all of them?

>>148643011
>Did I get fucking meme'd on?
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>148643104
I was expecting this to be a decent mecha show, but got idol masters and love triangle in space. Everything went on so fast and rushed it never gave enough time to connect well with the characters. The story it tells is also a bit weird and rushed in the way the Zentradi just change their entire thinking only because of a song. A bit one dimensional

As I said - nice, but ridiculous. Please don't tell me this is all there is to Macross

>>148643207
macross was never a gritty scifi that was ruined by idol shit, it was that from the beginning.

>>148643207
This is bait.

>>148643310
>>148643330
oh, another franchise I won't touch anymore I guess. And it's not about gritty, I enjoy Gunbuster a lot, but you can see how it's still very different from Macross.

>>148643011
>>148643207
>he didn't know Macross was about idols
Lurk for two years before posting, holy shit.

>>148643207
You just watched Do you remember love, right?

>>148643207
You posted a pic from do you remember love.
Did you watch that instead of macross?
I've been marathoning it this week and frankly, there is no real love triangle. Its not until hikaru clearly is friendzoned and basically gives up on minmei that hayase even starts to notice.
Not to mention this show is a solid 50% character building, and the slow creep of culture influencing the zentraedi is like 10 episodes long.

Stop arguing with the idiotic OP, people.
He's either a troll or some retard who read some /m/ copypasta making him believe Macross was a gritty, serious show like Evangelion or VOTOMS.

>>148643310
It was never gritty scifi, but the original series and the movie were a proper space opera with pop music. After Plus it became about magical idols and the power of music and shit.

The show was pretty good. Characters were deeper than most, even now, and pretty much everyone had some sort of character arc.

The movie had decent animation, but that was it.

Also, daily reminder that Hikaru's VA killed himself.

>>148643918
Macross wasn't gritty, but holy shit it was grim. Death all over the place, abusive relationships, post apocalyptic background after the war, not to mention hayase's entire backstory.

>>148643011
>Macross
>great

You feel for the meme newfriend. Macross (other than Plus and Zero) is the most garbage mecha series and is only used to troll obvious newfags.

>>148643897
I can't tell which one was the biggest vunt, Hikaru or Minmay.

>>148643207
You sound like you only watched the movie. Try the tv show, it fixes a lot of the issues you mentioned.

I probably also would've thought the movie was weird if I hadn't seen the show. It's also different enough to be worth watching if you've seen the movie.

>>148643985
I think my favorite character arc is kamjin. He starts out a brash young military leader, and by the end of it, he's basically discovers his own humanity and dies a warriors death with his comrads.
Though someone told me dyrl retconned it.

>>148644046
> the most garbage mecha series
You have not seen anything.

>>148644085
Minmei definitely. It was only once she realized how wrong she was because she had basically ignored hikaru because his life was too real for her, and she had wanted the magical life a child thinks they will have, only then did she realize he was the man she wanted all along.
She always knew in the back of her mind, just wouldn't let it happen since it would mean her dream wouldn't end up that way.

Hikaru knew too, which is why he never persued her too hard.

>>148643918
>serious show like VOTOMS
>VOTOMS
>Serious

>>148644085
Hikaru grew up though. He realized he was just infatuated.

>>148644968
Minmay does a great deal of growing up too, though, doesn't she? Granted it's been a while but I seem to remember her maturing the fuck up in the last arc. I really love this show because despite initially disliking most of the characters they all evolved in such a way to make the likable for me. Except Kaifun.

>>148644133
Quamzin is essentially absent from the movie.

Only Hikaru, Misa and Minmay are really in the movie. Even Millia and Max are essentially a cameo.

>>148645101
You can hate him all you want, but Kaifun was right.

>>148643011

>he watched DYRL without watching SDF

ha

>>148645236
How so?

>>148645343
The Zentrari weren't soulless monsters.
The military were real cunts.
Fighting was never the solution.
Minmay's songs were more powerful than guns.

He defended all that from the very beginning.

>>148645460
Perhaps I'd have to watch it again but does he really "argue" for any of those? All I can really remember is him rather blindly pushing his pacifist ideology in a very critical yet unhelpful way. All talk with no real proposal of a solution. I could be wrong though, it's been quite a while.

>>148645612
He did. Of course he did in a way who made annoyed everyone and helped no-one.

>>148643011
Macross road the wave of "real robot" genre since the "super robot" genre was getting stale. Macross was just an early adopter. Watch Gundam 0079, it is superior.

The quality of Macross shows is inversely proportional to the music in them. SDF was great but has not a single good song.
Frontier was good, and has some good music.
Delta is utter shit but has the best music.
Prove me wrong.

>>148646241
>but has the best music.
>When 7 exist.

>>148646241
SDF was shit

>>148646285
Totsugeki love heart is a mediocre song.

>>148646241
>lynn minmay has not a single good song
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>148643207
>>148643388

Go watch Gundam 0079

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>>148646348
>implying
>implying it's the only song in 7

>>148646417
Sorry dude but Macross Sdf >>>>> 0079. Amuro and Char can go eat dicks

>>148646447
Nah, only in like 27 episodes.

>>148644133
Its been a while can you remind me who was kamjin?

>>148646241
Minmay copycats can go burn in hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nP2vYO24k

>>148646490
>Macross sdf
>Better than 0079
Look Macross is great but fuck you and your shit opinions if you think that.

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>>148646639

>>148646639
The Zentradi captain that refuses to surrender and commands a guerrilla after the war.

>>148645612

No, he was exacly like you said

>>148646656
I prefer Macross as well.

>>148646646
>there are people who unironically think this is good music

>>148643011
7

>>148646747
>there are people who thinks any other song in any Macross entry is better

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>>148643011
Macross Plus>Macross>DYRL>7>Zero>Frontier>Lovers Again>Robotech>AKB0078>Delta

>>148646656
Macross has credible characters and not psychopaths with no clear motivation.

>>148646400
SDF had some good songs but holy shit if Zero G Love, Shao Pai long and Kyun Kyun spamming wasn't unbearable

>>148646656
This.

Macross could't carry Gundam's jockstrap. The only thing I don't like about 0079 is that the later episodes were very different from the initial episodes. Towards the end they started becoming obsessed with newtype stuff. When I watched it as a kid I loved the newtype hax, but watching as an adult I was like: "say newtype one more fucking time motherfucker, I dare you".

>>148643985
>Also, daily reminder that Hikaru's VA killed himself.
Was it for voicing such a shitty character?

>>148646911
I like My Boyfriend is a Pilot but I'll give you the other two.

>>148646400
If I have to hear that fucking "my boyfriend is a pilot" song one more fucking time.

>>148646923
The funny thing about newtype is that sometimes it feels like nobody can really decide what a newtype exactly is.
And its gets fucking worse when cybernewtypes, cloned newtypes, awakened newtypes and shit like that gets added.

>>148645101
>Except Kaifun.

Nobody likes Kaifun. He's probably one of the least likable characters in anime.

>>148646855
>Macross has credible characters and not psychopaths with no clear motivation.
LOL

>>148646241
>best music
>idol shit

I don't think so chum.

>>148646933
Mari Ijima Minmay'd him IRL

>>148646747
Japan is great at literature, movies, and comics, but fuck me they are awful at music.

How to make a good modern Macross:
1) Don't let Kawamori doing anything besides dogfights storyboard or throw him away (he's too old now)
2) Hire good writer that know the basic of writing and more
3) hire (a) good composer(s)

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>>148647372
Put him in charge

>>148647372
4) bring back hand drawn valks

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>"I don't want to be alone"
>"You are not going to be alone, you have your songs!"
Hikaru was such a fucking asshole sometimes

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Best Macross girl

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>>148647512
But that's wrong anon.

>>148647460
Please.

>>148647416
no, the last show he wsorked on were shit.

Kaifun was proven right all along, though

the NUG are dimensionally nuking planets now because they're such corrupt assholes.

>>148647605
that's a great image, from DYRL presumably?

>>148647681
As I recall (it's been a while since I capped it) I think it's from that Flashback special.

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>>148646241
I have never disagreed so strongly with anything in my entire life

>>148646285
I legitimately can't stand Fire Bomber and any of their songs

>>148647416
>muh realism in a genre that has already thrown away any pretense of realism decades ago

>>148648097
You need to be 18 years or older to post on this site.

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>>148646829
Nah,

Plus > Dynamite > SDF > DYRL > Zero > literal garbage in a dumpster > Frontier/Delta

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>>148648180
>Frontier as bad as Delta

Your opinion is shit and you have a stupid face.

>>148648180
Plus is probably my least favourite.

>>148648176
>implying that liking garbage 90s J-rock that's made up of all the worst aspects of 90s J-rock means you're over 18

>>148648180
Why the Frontier hate? I watched it after all the other Macross and thought it was pretty ok, liked it even more than Zero.

>>148643011
Macross Plus is probably the best one. Honorable mentions go to DYRL and Zero.

>>148648180
>Plus as the best

Opinion discarded. Plus has beautiful dogfights and that's all it has

>>148648439
>aimo aimo is the ONLY salvageable song
>CG is passable and above average, but not enough to not be a bother
>characters are retards and I wish they'd all die
>story is predictable with a cop out end

Gee I wonder

>>148648523
Best parts of Plus were the Sharon Apple concerts though.

>>148643207
>not knowing macross was about idols
Anon, anyone could've figured that out. Hell, when I was three years old, marathoning SDF with my brother and dad, I figured that out. It wasn't hard, with how much they rubbed that shit in your face. If you couldn't figure out that Macross was just idolshit, then you're retarded

>>148648265
Pretty much, yeah.

>>148648615
>>aimo aimo is the ONLY salvageable song
>I wish Sheryl would die
God damn, this is some shitty taste.

>>148643957
>After Plus
Yeah it only took a total of 3 months later.

>>148646855
Amuro's motivation was survival. Char's motivation was revenge. How more clear can you get?

7 is the best.

>>148649219
I'm 20-something episodes in and fuck me is it ever hard to find the motivation to keep watching. I don't dislike it, not even close, but still.

>>148649293
If it makes you feel any better, the worst part is behind you.

>>148649293
You just don't get it. LISTEN TO MY SONG

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>>148649293
It gets better.

>>148649293
You get used to how shitty it is. Like Stockholm Syndrome, or those prisoners who are afraid to leave prison.

>>148649109
I think you should check your dates.

>>148649293
7's main failing is it's repetition. That's why Dynamite is so much better.

>>148649576
Macross Plus: August 25, 1994
Macross 7: October 16, 1994

They were both being made at the same time for a 10 year celebration.

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>>148649619
Agreed, 7 isn't bad by any means, but it's worth getting through even if it's just for all the extra stuff after.

>>148649430
sivil has fat tits

>>148649682
And I was talking about SDF and DYRL. Plus was the start of the idol magic.

>>148647512
Surely Megazone is best Macross.

>>148649760
7 is great. I think there are enough excellent moments to balance out the forgettable bad stuff.

Best last episode ever.

>>148649219
ORE NO UTA WO KIKE

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After delta fiasco and wasted potential, gave another chance for 7.

If fucking better then Delta, like everyone says, start is slow, but unlike Delta, get better later.

Only problem for me, is Planet Dance overdose, one of worse music and Chiba, one of worst character when i see in my entire life, otaku with boring and dull apparence, btw because him i dropped first time.

Gonna watch II because Banana Moon of Love.

Having watched all Macross except 7 and Delta, the only one I really enjoyed was SDF. Not because it was a good story, but because the camp levels were through the roof. It was such a mess that I was smiling all the time. Some people will think I'm insulting it, but if a show makes me smile for any reason it's already doing a better job than 99% of anime, I can't hate that.

>>148652340
And why haven't you watched 7?

>>148652340
7 made me smile most episodes by how utterly ridiculous Basara was.

>>148652418
>>148652422
It's next on the list, put it off because it's so long

>>148649796

It was always Idol shit, Minmay singing was what cased the Zentradi to break into two sides and allow then to win the war.

What you dont get its been Idol shit of their generation, Minmay was a 89's idol like Fire Bomber was 90's idols with Sheryl being 00's idol, Delta is just the 10's idol unit shit.

>>148652864
>Fire Bomber was 90's idols

>>148652340
7 is great for the same reason, but it reaches those levels of camp through different means
Just bear the repetitive lows, it's worth the highs

>>148646679
>>148646698

Oh him

Macross 7 had the best OP and arguably best EDs.

>>148652689

>so long
>like 47 episodes

??

Can all agree that delta was the 2nd worst series in the franchise?

>>148653254
I love SDF's best.
OP song is fantastic and I love the ED visual.

>>148652961

90's had glam rock in Japan, Idiols arent just J-pop ... it represented 90's music culture in Japan.

>>148652961
Basara is the biggest diva in all of Macross.

>>148653389

Nope because even Zero is better that Delta.

>>148653607
I'm pretty sure I hated Zero more than Delta.
And worst Macross is Frontier movies.

>>148646348
How can one person be so wrong?

DYRL kind of works better after having seen the first series through. It was just confusing the first time I watched it, but later viewings after delving deeper into Macross makes it more appreciable, like where the story is headed and what some of the lore and character relations are.

>>148655619
>DYRL kind of works better

It not only works better that's HOW DYRL even works at all. I don't understand people who try and kid themselves by watching supposed 'summary' movies of series thinking that'll net them a decent understanding of the franchise they're watching, it's like they have a very fleeting attachment to anime in general in which case I'd wonder why they are even bothering at all.

Is there something seriously wrong with me if I enjoyed Macross Frontier the most?

>>148648615
>not liking IKINOKORITAI,

>>148645460
No he didn't, he felt that war existed for the military industrial complex.
The zen vs human war was about misunderstanding, fear, and a presumption of superiority like most wars. And it was settled because one side lost the will to keep fighting, like most wars.

>>148656590
But the military was still a necessity because they had to go through a period of fighting for either of them to become tired of it. Kaifun didn't want a military at all.

>>148648615
>Not liking Diamond Crevasse and Seikan Hikou.

>>148653389
More like flat out worst

>>148656101

Yes.

>>148655794
They're probably those people who "watch" anime at 2x speed on their second monitor, and then come and post here about how the plot makes no sense.

>>148643388
Macross has always been about making peace with our enemies. The sequels just makes peace with a different specie. However, no peace has been achieved in Macross Delta, yet.

Gundam is about revival of the same conflict over and over again.

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>>148643011
what are you talking about, variable fighter rule!

>>148644276
anon... you are right

>>148647681
>>148647920
yep, flashback 2012.

Btw, have you noticed how the presence of swirl in hayase hair make the difference between old-lady and sex bomb?

>>148652085
maybe, you but get veffidas

>>148652864
I think >>148649796 is distinguishing "idol shit" from "idol magic". In the original SDF the Zentradi live highly regimented lives and when they first encounter sex, drugs, and rock & roll it causes a major cultural and political upheaval in their society. Meanwhile, in later installments to the franchise music literally grants mystic powers to elite singers. The idols were always there but their function became exaggerated.

>>148656101
No.

I tried Delta for the first time the other day. Watched the first episode and then promptly deleted the rest off my HD. Judging by this thread, I take it that was indeed the right decision?

Sounds like they even managed to fuck up the Macross rule that the best girl actually wins too.

>>148647605
How could that old sourpuss be best anything?

>>148659647
Delta doesn't even have a best girl.
But yeah, you ain't missing much.

>>148659647
If anything the only redeeming trait Delta has is that ''best'' girl won. That and the music, which was mostly acceptable.

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>>148647512
>>148647605
Guys, please

>>148660660
My comrade.

>>148647416
He's just a little too crazy

>>148659388
But isn't 7 about magic singing? Literally it's like an alternative food for the protodevlin or something. It takes a million years to get there, but it does.

>>148659647
The first season is good/entertaining as long as you're not one of those IDOLSHITfags, but nothing amazing. It turns to shit in the second season because it can't write a coherent narrative, introduces too many plot elements that are superfluous, and it's not a love triangle that spends too much time trying to thinly masquerade as a love triangle.

>he fell for the "good=realistic" meme
OP please, something being ridiculous is irrelevant to it's quality. That's normalfag >muh mature show logic and you should be ashamed.

Oh god, just scrolling this thread is a nightmare. I'm sorry I ever clicked on this thread.

>>148659647
You did the right thing, however I'm baffled you could do that after watching Giri Giri Ai.

Fuck Delta.

Frontier is the best with the best insert songs ever.

>>148659647
>Mirage
>best

>>148660660
I love her in 7, even though she is quite meme there.

Delta is the biggest disappointment of the decade. I have dropped all animu entirely because of it.

>>148665425
The framework was in place for her to be best if they had actually bothered to spend any time on her character.

Guessing game, two words:
_________ salad?

>>148666866
Chicken?

>>148666866
Pine

>>148666810
>The framework was in place
It was never there. She was shitty character from the very start. Plain and boring character design with ugly burgundy hair. Character designer didn't even bother wasting her tme on Mirage, she just copied one of her existing designs. If it was a good design she would get at least some amount of art after first few episodes. Instead she got >>140514820.
Her personality in first episodes was of typical bitchy tsundere. They actually improved Mirage by dropping that shit. Also it was revealed she is a bad pilot in episode 3.
Her appeal is artificial and comes from this stupid meme about Macross "traditions". All idiots who falled for this meme should blame only themselves for their utter stupidity,

ITT: We say one good thing in Delta

Hard mode: No one says Freyja

>>148670409
>implying Freyja was good

>>148670525
Literally miracle of the universe.

>>148670409
Episode 6 fight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9KMu-Fq_aY. Plus that short scene with idols deploying in glass dome right before it and Gamlin kick after it.

>>148643011
Macross is shit. Watch Robotech instead.

>>148649293
It gets good after episode 27.

>>148670409
Absolute 5

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>>148659647
>Sounds like they even managed to fuck up the Macross rule that the best girl actually wins too.
Hold the fucking phone, the undoubtedly best girl won Delta. It's like the one thing it actually did right besides the music. What are you smoking?

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>>148643207
Is this you, OP?

>>148672128
Bogue didn't win anything.

So what subs should I use for sdf?

>>148659647
>dropping the show after watching the best episode
Also the best girl wasn't even in the love triangle.

>>148647653
Kaifun is making rip-offs like Fire Bomber American your point?

The New UN Government and New UN Spacy aren't centralized organizations anymore. That is why Earth's response to the conflict was you are on your own.

>Brísingr Globular Cluster
The Brisingr Globular Cluster is the setting of the story. It's in the frontier of the galaxy, therefore there's a lot of diversity left in it.

>"It's on the edge of the galaxy, and we hypothesized that it was the last place that the Protoculture struggled on to. The influence of the New Unified Government is extremely low in it. And so, as it hasn't suffered from the attacks of the Zentrādi and so on up until recently, many [Protoculture] ruins and so forth have been left in it. The globular cluster also features many dimensional faults; Windermere in particular is surrounded by them, and was quite difficult to find. The fleet that took the time to fly through the dimensional faults in the past found Windermere by chance, and started the relationship between Windermerians and Earth humans. There are no means to go directly to Windermere, and its development has been delayed." (Kawamori)

Windermere wanted to sell off it Fold Quartz. The NUN said No as a year ago Macross Galaxy displayed how weaponizable it is blowing up Gallia 4 with the 33rd NUNS Marines on it with a Dimension Eater making them rewrite their laws and treaties on the stuff.
Gramia threw a hissy fit declaring war on NUNS forces on the planet.

NUNS intelligence doing a threat assessment of Protoculture runs in the cluster find out the Windermerean royalty has been hiding a Protoculture battleship all this time. Local NUNS officials knowing their history that nobody should mess with Protoculture tech lightly decide to blow it up.
Intelligence guy gets a bout of conscience tried tries to fly it away from target area but it triggered remotely blowing up Carlisle and the NUNS base nearby. NUNS forces withdraw with local officials covering it up.

>>148674365
It's all fine up to this point
>Intelligence guy gets a bout of conscience tried tries to fly it away from target area but it triggered remotely blowing up Carlisle and the NUNS base nearby.
Why the fuck they blew it out of target? It really doesn't make any sense

>>148643207
Macross almost single handely began the jpopification of anime. How do you not know this?

>>148646656
Tomino is a hack that's only ever written on demand toy commercials and Ideon.
If you really love Ideon fine, but the best Gundams are the one's that are least married to the formula.

>>148674466
Tie up loose ends by CRASHING THIS PLANE WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>>148672295
10/10

>>148670409
ikenai borderline and ichidake

xD

Macross is better written and directed than every single Gundam ever made.

Ishiguro was always far better at bringing the most out of his characters. Tomino never came close.

>>148677275
>ichidake
>not Giraffe Blues
Get out of here with that shit taste.

>>148679419
No

>>148679529
>butthurt tominofag
Keep it coming.

OP here. I didn't even realize what I triggered. I've been on /a/ for ages, before the Gorespammer. I just literally literally couldn't ever give a shit about Macross, Gundam and all of these fuck long mech franchises. I've gone over 400 titles by now and half of that number manga titles.

I didn't realize that people who were praising Macross were either trolls or were praising it differently from what I thought. Then again, I only watched now the movie, so I can't tell what the rest of them are like, but I assume all of them are like this.

I couldn't give a rat's fuck whether they are gritty or not. I said I like Gunbuster, I like even Diebuster, I don't dislike Macross, but now I finally understand that Macross is certainly nothing great if all of them keep the same note, themes and pretty much one-dimensional characters for most of them anyway.

Slippery slope on my part I guess. This was never meant to be anything other than idol mech.

>>148681875
>>148681875
to put it this way - I knew it was super popular and influential in its own way, but I didn't get what all the fuss was about. I guess it was about arguing who's best girl, best couple and all that. So THAT's what all those threads I've been avoiding for literal ages were about?

>>148681875
>I've been on /a/ for ages, before the Gorespammer.
2009, it's at least 7 years. Did you visit /a/ only on Sundays after the church? How the fuck didn't you know what Macross was about? Even if you're completely not interested in mecha or idols it's just something that would sometimes randomly come up in any thread. Especially since Frontier was still so big back then. I got into Macross maybe few years ago, but I knew what it's about since forever because Nyan Nyan song and Seikan Hikou with its kira gesture were extremely huge memes. Also 2009 was the year of sound threads and r/a/dio threads. Frontier music was often played there.

>watching DYRL without SDF
And you couldn't learn how to use google in 7 years.

>>148681875

dumbass.

>>148682533
no, I got that much - that it wasn't just a serious show, what I didn't know was that its whole focus is pretty much love and jpop and the mecha is just a sidepiece. Honestly it just went over my head the entire time, believe me or not. I thought people were posting that stuff in the same lines they are posting, let's say, Oberstein's 'dogs eat dog food' while in reality the show has a more serious tone.

Didn't help that I always associated it with those amazing quality animation gifs from I don't remember which Macross movie or OVA, about space battles.

What a laugh I'm having now over this.

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>>148681875

Macross is a show that appeals to your nostalgia in a sense of how long has it been going on.
The show itself may be a hit or miss but it really gets you in the
>I watched DYRL this when I was 10 and now am 28 and Delta is over
>mfw when the next Macross goes on I'll probably be 38
Even more so if you watch it with a community of fellow weebs.
So you kinda appreciate it more as time goes on, its like watching Char's Counter Attack every year.

Also, watch SDF and then Flashback 2012.
SDF is probably my favorite along 7.

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I'm angry.

How will SRW fix Delta?

>>148685702
Ange will steal Mirage.

>>148686693
That would be a step down for ange, I mean can you imagine all those sweet pieces of ass in her harem...an then there's Mirage.

>>148687405
>an then there's Mirage
Still better than Salia.

>>148685489
Me too, Anon

>>148687471
Salia has a really nice voice despite being pretty bad.

>>148687471
Salia has a much better ass than Mirage.