>There are people that unironically like this I could imagine

>>148338451
>I could imagine some retarded fan faggot nerds watching this scene in the theater for the first time and leaping from their seat going "YEAAAAAAAAAAH SHINJI KICK HIS ASS!" like some frat douche at a keggar
That would be awesome.

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>>148338451
You know what sucks?
they had a better (creepier) version of Shinji's eyes during the 90's

>>148339072
It's not really the eyes, it's just his expression that's creepier. And I'm not sure creepy is quite the feeling they're going for for this scene.

>>148338451
>this mad about a single scene
Honestly anon, I don't know who's more embarrassing.

>>148338451
Hate to break it to you, but that was the exact reaction you were supposed to have at that scene.

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>>148339216
The whole thing was supposed to be natural. I'd say it would've add to the scene. If they just had the eyes have a uniform color.

Thing is, they did make Mari and Asuka have eyes with a uniformed color. in 2.0 and 3.0,

>>148338451
Stop being a cringe faggot. You're just a beta cuck.

>>148338451
>"If if enjoy things /a/ will call me a faggot, so i'll hate things so /a/ likes me!"

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>>148338451
I'm a sucker for Super Robot moments like that (and so is Anno) so even though it doesn't fit Eva at all i can't say i dislike this scene honestly even though i should

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>>148339598
But anon, in the pic you just posted Asuka's eye is exactly like Shinji's, the iris is glowy and the pupil is black. The only difference is that her iris is smaller because that's how angry girls look in anime.

Such a weird detail to be annoyed by. It's just like Berserk 2016, so many things to dislike, but people concentrate on tiny inconsequential details.

reminder that one of the best episodes of the tv series was about shinji and asuka dancing with unit 01 so they can defeat an angel by doing a double inazuma kick

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>>148340031
I think the eyes changing color cliche is just stupid.

>>148340179
But... Anon, that would mean the original series did something wrong! Surely this was typed in jest?!?

>>148340105
That WAS a fucking good episode. How you didn't really know what they're listening to, and at the end there's this awesome sequence with the great song and the beautiful animation.

Fuck, I haven't re-watched NGE this year yet. Better get to it.

>>148338451
>"YEAAAAAAAAAAH SHINJI KICK HIS ASS!"
That was the part immediately before. Try to remember the first time you saw him cross the burning GeoFront to demand the robot from his father and where you thought that was going. It's even reduced from NGE where he was grinding the angel's face on the wall and visibly aroused about ripping its head off.

>>148338451
This was loosely adapting the episode in which Shinji decides to take piloting seriously and it backfires on him in the end, you retard. 2.0 doesn't stray from Evangelion has always been at all.

>>148340362
New Generation Angel : Remixed

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>>148340022
At least Getter Robo is cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7JqnxAoh-E

>>148340310
>Surely this was typed in jest?!?
what?

>>148338451
There was nothing wrong with that scene. And it ended up backfiring, though it was still the best option.

>Shinji does something badass
>Everyone is raving about how Shinji is a man now
>Turns out he fucked the earth for doing it and the girl he was supossed to save forgets about him
BRAVO ANNO

>>148342679
But honestly that's some classical Anno genius right there, he's a master of reversing tropes. Instead of the moment where shy MC mans up being a time of victory, that's when everything gets fucked.

B R A V O
N
N
O

>>148342866
>B R A V O
>____N
>____N
>____O

>>148343113
You don't know BNNO? Newfag.
▲
▲▲

>>148343298
BNNO?

>>148338451
mad virgie detected

>>148342679
>Misato cheers him on to not give a shit and just DO IT
>In 3.0 she's so butthurt at him for doing it that she won't even tell him why he's not supposed to fuck off with not-Rei
b-bravo?

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>>148338451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE

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>>148342679

Literally forced drama.

>>148342679
That was the entire point of the scene, and that is why the scene wasn't bad and is still completely in line with Eva. Shinji gets punished for taking action, even though he also would have been punished if he hadn't done anything. 3.0 is Anno railing on himself.
That OP and many others can't understand this is the true source of sorrow for this generation.

>>148344359
wHERE IS THAT FROM?

>>148345581
>It's good because it's intentionally shit

2.22 was great. 1.11 was great.

3.33 was trash.

NGE shits on it all though.

>>148345636
Why is it shit, anon?

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It isn't even the first climax changed for Rebuild to make Shinji a bigger cowboy. Getting hit by Ramiel's volley, Misato defending him to Gendo while he crawled back to the gun, eyeballing the shot himself without targeting assistance, that was all original to 1.0.

>>148344272
https://youtu.be/mBJgZH2jgWU?t=12m17s
A masterpiece.

I got super excited
Really fucking excited, it was pure awesomeness
No fucks given, no regrets, no thinking, just charge ahead and make the impossible possible
I don't think he was wrong in doing that
Just like I think he wasn't wrong in 3.33 when he almost annihilated the planet again, action is always preferable to inaction
>>148346510
This. starting from here, Shinji started taking matters into his own hands
In 2.22 he saved Rei and blew away Zeruel, in 3.33 he followed Rei and then took control of a dual pilot Eva single-handedly
The best part of him was when he decided to leave with Rei, he pretty much taunted Misato into blowing his head off and she didn't, I don't think I've ever seen more badassery
While I really liked old Shinji it's refreshing to see him be more reckless and decisive

>>148346510
>>148346838
I feel like Shinji in the Rebuilds starts where NGE Shinji ends in terms of character development, which is why he's more, well, badass. Fits in with the theory that the Rebuilds are actually a sequel.

>>148346975
Oh yeah, it really works
>Shinji you need to stay here and do nothing
>I don't wanna
>You will obey
>Screw this, I'm leaving
>Shinji no
>Fuck you all, I said I was leaving
I really wanna see more angry and short-tempered Shinji telling everyone off

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>>148347134
so asuka

>>148347510
Well, I do wanna see more Asuka too actually.

Actually I mostly really want 3.0+1.0 darnit.

>>148347510
Well yeah Asuka is my favorite Eva girl and the episodes focused on them were really amazing, their dynamic is fantastic and she brings out his more aggressive side by pushing his buttons

>>148347663
>>148347510
>>148347628
You're the cancer that killed Evangelion.

>>148348049
How does being a fan kill anything?

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Reminder that Rei was acting as Shinji's mother in the series.


>I will be protecting you
>Always waiting for by his sickbed.
>Choosing Shinji over Gendo in the end, like Yui.

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>>148347663
Indeed. Dance was the best episode.

>>148345621
Rei ero doujin.

>>>/sadpanda/

Why can't you enjoy subtle character focused plots as well as high octane action? What is wrong with you?

>>148348092
Buying into the Asuka jew makes you cancer.

>>148342679
If you read the making of Eva 2.0 material, it turns out some other guy had the idea to have Shinji save Rei-II, but then some other fuckwad still wanted muh Rei-III. (requiring Rei-II to get Rem'd) Because the Rei-III faggot actually believed a soulless doll getting more screentime would be interesting, or something.

It wasn't a brilliant trope subversion, it was just two nerds on the production staff both wanting their one personal thing, not looking at the big picture, and Anno not giving a shit because he won't take antidepressants.

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>>148348517
cancer it is

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>>148346838
>I got super excited
>Really fucking excited, it was pure awesomeness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpp19FkQgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soflYG6Lhp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_HxvojfiUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHU9j57CbSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je6Y-e9XlRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCfYrxx_hBE

The last 30 minutes of 2.0 are pure cum.

>>148348670
That faggot is Tsurumaki. Let me redpill you on him:

He's an avid Asuka-fan that routinely looks out for Asuka's best interests as a writer. It's not that he wanted Rei III, that was just an excuse. Because with 2.22 ending as it did, making Rei III would be entirely possible with the third or fourth installment. Doing it in 2.22 is simply way too early.

Come 3.33, there is essentially zero Rei III content. Tsurumaki merely wanted Rei out of the way.

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>>148346975
That might be the weakest argument I've heard for sequel theory. Shinji left NGE accepting the flaws of his perspective, why he had to grow up the way he did, and walking out on infantilism and oblivion while thanking his parents. Rebuild doesn't start him with any of that maturity, he's coming from the same place he began NGE.

>>148349044
>Reifag autist uses buzzwords like redpill
The more I know about you, the more I'm dissappointed. Sasuga.

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>>148349164
It's not an argument for the sequel theory, it just fits in with it.

And you're right in that he doesn't literally starts where he ends. But it does feel like as the Rebuilds go on, he "remembers" some of what he learned in NGE much faster and more easily than he did in NGE, culminating in the end of 2.22 where he's farther along than he was in EoE, and much faster.

It's kinda awkward to explain, and more my headcanon than anything else.

>>148349220
wat
These are just things you can look up yourself, and what's wrong with buzzwords as long as it gets the point along? The other guy goes full-on with "rem'd" and goes full buzzword with terms like "brilliant trope subversion". You just mad.

>>148349164
>That might be the weakest argument I've heard for sequel theory.
So let me dole out another redpill:

Arguing for/against the sequel theory is pointless. There is evidence both for and against but not in any conclusive manner. There isn't supposed to be an absolute answer:
People who want it to be a sequel, can claim so with confidence and even believe it themselves.
People who don't want it to be a sequel, can claim so with confidence and even believe it themselves.

This has been going on for almost a decade. If you didn't wisen up after watching 3.33 and almost five years of time to think it over, you are truly lost.

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>>148349432
are you stupid?

>>148349570
Fuck off with your 3DPD

>>148349570
Shinji will never hold you, slut.

>>148349570
Put your asukafag bias aside for two seconds, and you'll see how it's true.

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>>148349774
>never going to be an absolute answer
>series is literally still ongoing

>>148339598
Mari and Asuka both use Unit 02 which has green eyes.

Unit 01 has red eyes

>>148346838
Pity Shinji is a selfish dickhead who never considers how his actions will impact anyone else and keeps playing right into Gendo's hands

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>>148339598
so the patch goes over her natural eye? It's the unpatched one that has a weird green angry colour?

>>148349389
>headcanon
Now it's slightly more credible since Rebuild's uplifted some old fanon, like Gendo's SDAT and Dr. Katsuragi's cross.

>>148349888
>Implying 3.0+1.0 will come out in our lifetimes.

>>148350472
>It comes out the day after you die

>>148338451
anno's intent was to give the hikkis what they wanted and then take it away with 3.0

the whole point of 3.0 is to slap the hikkis in the face and tell them "it's okay to run away sometimes. run away from the eva, and then confront real life.'

you'll note that the ONLY scene in eoe where instrumentality is complete is the live action shots of the INSIDE OF THE MOVIE THEATER FILMING HIKKIKOMORI

instrumentality is an otaku lifestyle

>>148338451
It was cool.

So rebuild is shit?

The first movies is just a reanimation of the first five episodes, so at least that one is good right?

To clarify I never watched any of the rebuild movies.

>>148350380
The natural one is the green eye. It turns green because Unit 02's eyes are also green. The blue one got bluekake'd by the Angel

>>148349888
>never going to be an absolute answer
>series is literally still ongoing

Yes, and? That's the whole idea. The very concept of it being a "sequel" means Evangelion will be endlessly ongoing. Loops going on forever and ever and ever. Because Evangelion is known for being obscure, avoiding detailing how it works will be accepted.

>>148350540
Sorry anon, but you're retarded. Stop using words you don't understand or know what means.

Hikkikomoris don't go outside. Hence the name.

>>148350758
Purists hate on them as is tradition, but they're still really damn good movies. They're less philosophical than NGE, and more showy, but if you take them for what they are, they're a pretty great experience desu.

>>148350793
>I know this for sure because I just made it up

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>>148350205
Weird, in NGE Unit1 had Green eyes While Unit2 had Orange ones.

In Rebuilds We never see a naked eva's eye.

>>148350974
I've been right for 10+ years and counting anon. There hasn't been a single moment where I've been wrong about any of this.

Reminder that the original Evangelion practically ended within a year, plus two more for finalization. In those ~three years, there was more characterization, plot, background story and downright content than Rebuild will have produced in an entire decade.

You wish I was making this up.

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>>148351135
Honestly, I'm impressed that anyone who say what you just said and have it be in earnest.

>>148351337
Its called delusion

>>148351135
The Original Evangelion had 26 episodes plus a movie
25x26+90=740 minutes of runtime
Rebuilds have 309 minutes
No fucking shit the original has more content

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>>148351112
We do, but it's this.

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This is one of my least favorite parts of Rebuild, and I hate A LOT of parts.

Such an obvious "HEY WHAT'S POPULAR WITH THE KIDS GURREN LAGANN???"

>>148339072
I thought that was supposed to be Rei. For a while I thought it was Toji for some reason.

>>148351560
well yeah, but everything is submerged in LCL red, its impossible to discern colors, hell; the purple/green armor looks red-orange.

>>148351685
Dang dude I've heard that opinion a lot but YOUR anonymous stating of the same fucking thing is important!

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>>148351112
You can see the eyes when Unit 01 reactivates at the end of 2.0. They're bright red. It also has red teeth and white skin.

Unit 13 also has red eyes and Unit 03's are green

>>148351776
You're welcome, any time.

>>148338451
Couldn't keep it on /m/ could you? Had to make the exact same thread, huh? Let me guess; not enough (You)'s?

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>>148351711
they have covers for Shinji, Asuka, Misato, unit1, Rei, and Kaowru.

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>>148351909

>>148349389

The problem is that Shinji in rebuild is regressing though.

Shinji at the end of evangelion emerged from the tang as a complete man. He had done his heroes journey and came out stronger for it.

Rebuild Shinji fucks everything up and learns nothing.

>>148351909
I actually have this whole set. It's pretty nice.

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>>148352028
where did you get it? I want to avoid buying a bootleg copy.

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>>148352007
reading that post hurt my throat.

But that scene was probably what made 2.2 the best movie in the series next to EoE.

>>148351337
>>148351450
I'm impressed you're so much in denial. Notice how you are simply denying reality rather than confronting it?

>>148351496
It's just like I said. Let's use your numbers: In those 2-3 years, 740 minutes of content was produced.
In nearly a decade now, according to you we've produced 309 minutes.

That's half an hour of Rebuild Evangelion a year, versus the original which produced closer to four and a half, more if one counts Death & Rebirth.

Basically you're insane to not see the extreme thinness of Rebuild.

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>>148350777
>that attempt at a joke
Kill yourself, faggot.

>>148352150
That's because Rebuild has a higher quality and needs more time and manhours to be produced
Also Anno made Godzilla in the last years so it's unfair to count that
You can't compare an anime series to a movie series, look at EoE, look at how much time that took to make

>>148352101
I don't know. My friend got it for me, but it's got everything inside and it all seems official.

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>>148352150
Do I really need to waste my time refuting someone so foolish?

You know, I spent ten years studying game of thrones and also politics so I am never wrong about everything because the original game of thrones came out in a span of 2-3 weeks if you know, so anyway, Stein wins and so does Stannis, and if you call me stupid it's you who are stupid, Kingmate me.

>>148352150
That's literally the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I read a lot of stupid shit.

Do you think Bleach is a masterpiece just because it has 10000 hours of content? The rate at which content is produced has nothing to do with its quality.

>>148347663
>brings out his more agressive side

Yeah, too bad that shinji's agressive side is enough to take out all of humanity. Kensuke on the other hand would have fixed him enough like he did in episode 4.

>>148352310
>absolutely anyone at all caring about game of normalfags

>>148351685
I love all the parts of Rebuild where they went to the trouble of redoing angel fights.

Which means that 3.0 was dry garbage.

>>148352403
Who the fuck cares, you can't just sit around and mope, stand up and take matters into your own hands

>>148351135
anno has explicitly stated he doesn't want to make more evangelion because he wants the audience to grow up and stop infantilizing themselves.

he wanted to make one of the rebuild movies entirely live action, but was vetoed. he's probably out of ideas for how to ruin eva for the audience so that they finally ditch it for good and (hopefully) move on with their lives

anno himself is an otaku, and he feels EXTREME amounts of guilt for having created the very thng that imprisoned an entire generation of people inside their own minds

>>148352282
>That's because Rebuild has a higher quality and needs more time and manhours to be produced
No, it's far quicker to produce in fact due to better availability of manpower, resources and best of all, zero infringing deadlines.

The original struggled with lacking resources, and Anno's original plans were to ditch the finale and apologize for that on live TV.

>>148352310
Try making some sense please, you sound like you're fourteen.

>>148352334
That's literally the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I read a lot of stupid shit .Are you so fucking retarded that you do not understand that Rebuild is factually thin in content, and it's content is already extremely thin in quality as well?

Congratulations on being a new breed of stupid.

Take those dicks out of your mouth and quit being an idiot: Read into the context of the discussion and you'll understand that the slow content production coupled with it's low quality is intentional:

It's supposed to confuse and make the feeble-minded viewers obsessed over answers and head-canon, so that in fact, does not have to produce anything itself. The very idea of arguing about something that objectively supposed to have no answer is something only the most delusional and insane of otaku could be capable of.

The bottom line is, if you argue sequel vs non-sequel, then you've clearly been duped. There's patently evidence and hintings at both, but with no conclusive answers. Being vague allows Anno/Khara to attract the otaku crowd who are used to doing the self-insertion and creation of headcanon themselves.

>>148352007
Then end of 2.0 was Shinji rejecting reality and accepting his own personal instrumentality

>>148352674
Are you stupid?
Compare the animation quality, or just art-quality of the Rebuilds compared to the original series, of fucking course a movie takes more time to produce than an anime series

>>148352559
>anno has explicitly stated he doesn't want to make more evangelion because he wants the audience to grow up and stop infantilizing themselves.
Fact-check says: PANTS ON FIRE-class lie.

Go get pyschological help, if you start imagining things some bearded jap says, you need it.

>he wanted to make one of the rebuild movies entirely live action, but was vetoed. he's probably out of ideas for how to ruin eva for the audience so that they finally ditch it for good and (hopefully) move on with their lives
Nonsense, see above.

>anno himself is an otaku, and he feels EXTREME amounts of guilt for having created the very thng that imprisoned an entire generation of people inside their own minds
Also objectively false, because Anno is in fact increasing the amount of fanservice and otaku-friendly content in his own franchise. Not only that, you have no sense of history or knowledge about anime because people have been doing this since before Evangelion was even a draft.

Anno is an otaku who has been "imprisoned inside his own mind" since the fucking 80's, and Anno was far from the first.

Go educate yourself.

>>148352707
>Shinji rejecting reality and accepting his own personal instrumentality
All he did was what he wanted and saved Rei. no rejecting reality detected.

>>148352674
>It's quicker to produce because of the absence of deadlines.

Christ, if you're gonna troll everyone you could have said so right at the start. Would have saved some time. You did good though, had me going till now.

>>148352783
And then he hid himself away inside his giant mom for 14 years. What do you call that?

>>148352773
Are you stupid? Compare the animation quality, or just art-quality of the Rebuilds compared to the original series, of fucking course the series takes more time to produce than an anime series
Face it anon, you're fucking clueless. Don't come here and pretend to know shit you don't. Sit down and get lectured instead of spouting bullshit. Rebuild is created using modern tools, plentiful resources, and not only that, it copies much of the original content. It does not take longer to produce. In 2016 it is easier and cheaper to produce anime than ever before.

>>148352845
*he was imprisoned inside the EVA for 14 years while no one bothered to break him out of it

>>148338451
What baffles me the most is how people still give a shit about the remakes.

NGE was a one trick pony that happened by pure accident and Anno is a talentless hack. The crew have no fucking idea what they're doing other than milking an established franchise.
You fuckwits are arguing over the star wars prequels pretty much.

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>>148352674
I am merely a mirror.

>>148352869
The rebuilds are much more detailed and have much higher production values than the original
You're right it's 2016, so now they have to produce it in very high resolutions for modern HD cinemas as well

>>148352970
>and Anno is a talentless hack
Except for Gunbuster, and Nadia, and KareKano, and Shin Gojira, and

>>148352827
You don't seem to understand. Without external investors setting deadlines, in this case literally weekly, we can get more smooth production of content instead of having back-breaking sessions that steal resources due to overtime work and wear people out.

This is an ideal situation, but one that can be abused as has been shown. We're thinking about ideals here.

>>148352775
is this poster who makes paragraph long posts to refure single sentences a meme on this board or something, or is this guy legitimately mentally ill?

>>148353103
Bullshit takes five times the effort to shut down, anon.

>>148353032
was shin godzilla any good? I've never understood the appeal of a movie with no main character and very litle dialogue

like, what's the appeal?

>>148353027
>The rebuilds are much more detailed and have much higher production values than the original
>You're right it's 2016, so now they have to produce it in very high resolutions for modern HD cinemas as well

Which is entirely effortless thanks to the fact that drawings are easily scaled, backgrounds are as you've seen, 3DCG which is simple to produce. It doesn't even hold a high standard given it's budget. The rebuilds aren't more detailed than NGE was, and the only areas where it is more detailed are areas which do not matter.

>>148353103
If you keep posting nonsense based on nothing but headcanon and thin air, then it takes more sentences to discard since we have to explain to you why it's BS. Stop spouting nonsense then and stick to the real world.

>>148353170
It takes after the first movie. There's a lot of dialogue. Most of the movie is politics and talking.

>>148353170
It's a movie bordering on flick.

>>148353275
You're a shitposter bordering on being banned.

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Thing about the Rebuild Films (especially 1.0) is that they had all the Pre-Production-work finished before hand.
All the Production slides, notes, decisions from NGE's production were archived, all they needed to do is to dust them off and reuse them for the Rebuild films.

So, 1.0 felt less like a "movie" but more of a fast paced recap of the first 8 episodes of NGE.
2.0 was the first (First) "new/original" production Khara has ever done, they were inexperienced; especially when it comes to the writing, and ended up with the mess of 2.0.
2.0 had multiple revisions, you can make 2 movies from the amount of material they made during it's production.
Don't get me on what happened to Mari's character; she's practically red-coned out of the story. after all the revisions.
>>148352845
>And then he hid himself away inside his giant mom for 14 years. What do you call that?
Getting knocked the fuck out by Kaworu's Spear
...
wait what?

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>>148353630
Asuka fought the the film's final Angel instead of Mari, getting knocked unconscious. with unit 2 going berserk.

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>>148353804
Rei commits suicide apparently.

>>148353630
2.0 was hardly a mess. Show it to anyone, virtually anyone, and they'll feel they get the story and a sense of the world.

It's not unusual for any story to have multiple or several drafts and unused storyboards. The original NGE has tons of them, one weirder htan the next.

>>148354101
Heck, everyone I know considers 2.0 to be an amazing movie. This admittedly does not include many butthurt purists though.

>>148353935
>that GAR Rei
that looks sick as fuck

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>be asuka
>get blown up and trapped in an angel
>people are more upset about rei's dinner party

Why is everyone so mean to Asuka?

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>>148354101
Its not bad per say, more wasting precious time that could of gone towards Character development.
From watching 2.0, (Not NGE) can you tell me Why Asuka pilots Eva, or whats the drive for other characters like Misato or Ritsuko?

>>148354391
Because "asuka getting blown up" is basically being nice to Asuka already.

In the original Asuka was a shitty cunt who fucked up and wrecked herself.

In Rebuild, she's rewritten to be this tsundere goodhearted girl who sacrifices herself. Plus Asuka didn't even get hurt, she got FUCKING SUPERPOWERS or some shit.

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>>148348949
>The Final Decision We All Must Take
God bless Shiro Sagisu.

>>148354462
I assumed you didn't need to be told because we all already fucking knew.

>>148354462
>Its not bad per say, more wasting precious time that could of gone towards Character development.
But 2.0 had character development, and drastically cut down on silly subplots, monster of the week angels and more.

>From watching 2.0, (Not NGE) can you tell me Why Asuka pilots Eva, or whats the drive for other characters like Misato or Ritsuko?
Asuka and Misato, yeah. That's included in 2.0. Ritsuko, not so much - but then again, you didn't find that out until much later in NGE as well. Ritsuko is basically an extra and whether you like it or not, developing Ritsuko is in fact a waste of time.

>>148354568
According to Anno, the rebuilds are a retelling of NGE for a mainstream audience. It was in the film as an Easter-egg on a page on a clipboard in English for Japanese fans.

>>148354595
>Ritsuko is basically an extra and whether you like it or not, developing Ritsuko is in fact a waste of time.
Ritsuko story is vital to know the backstory of Nerv.
>>148354595
>Asuka and Misato, yeah. That's included in 2.0.
So tell me, what drives them, their fears, traumas, backstory.

>>148354902
yeah, and?

>>148355149
>yeah, and?
what exactly?

>>148355243
that's what I'm asking.

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>>148354902
>Ritsuko story is vital to know the backstory of Nerv.

Not really. She's only a small part of the future of it, she came in very late. Her mother on the other hand, is.

This comes in late in NGE, and would be a good fit late in Rebuild as well. Most rationally, it should be dropped due to lack of time.

>So tell me, what drives them, their fears, traumas, backstory.
More or less the same as in NGE:
For Asuka it's the desire to be the best, with a hint of sad past.
For Misato it's the "revenge against the Angels" angle, and Rebuild shows a bit more than NGE in fact by explaining how she's a 2nd Impact survivor.

>b-but what about showing it!0101
It's too soon. You can't introduce a character and then immediately show it's entire backstory and traumas, it needs buildup. That's how NGE did it, and that's what Rebuild left itself open to do.

>>148354214
>>148354101
man you people are delusional as fuck

it's almost like you ignored everything anno had said for the 15 years before the rebuilds came out, and then started quoting promotional statements

>>148356045
You're the one who's delusional anon. You know how people can tell? Because you're the one without evidence or proof.

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>>148355791
>For Asuka it's the desire to be the best,
What exactly in the film tells us this?
>with a hint of sad past.
a 7 sec scene of her with a doll.
>Rebuild shows a bit more than NGE in fact by explaining how she's a 2nd Impact survivor.
NGE showed her being placed in an escape pod by her father and surviving 2nd impact lasting a couple of minutes. compared to 2.0's 10 sec second hand no dialogue depiction by Kaji.

>>148356045
maybe some people just watch movies and don't autistically hang onto the words of a man who changes his mind on the daily.

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>>148356157
it's in the tv show

>>148356157
Ever heard the expression "Less is more"? How about "Show, don't tell"?

>>148356154
>>148356163
for 20 years ALL anno said was that people needed to stop masturbating to chinese cartoons and he refused to make more anime

you think he suddenly changed his mind?

you got rused, and you're just trying to justify the very lifestyle anno was speaking out against

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>>148356309
news to me. it's quite irrelevant, anyway. But honestly, he's a fucking dumbass if people masturbating to cartoons pisses him off and he dressed his cartoon characters in skintight outfits.

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>>148356278
>How about "Show, don't tell"?
It's literally Showing and not telling us!

>>148356425
are you really this shortsighted?

he used the tropes of the genre, intensified them to draw people in (to the point where he created a new genre branding) and then destroyed them all in 6 or 7 episodes, intentionally

do these things just sort of fly over your head? your life must be terribly confusing

>>148356309
So what, Anno is making good movies but true connoisseurs know that under the appearance of good movies we're supposed to realize his true message is that he's making camouflaged shitty movies?

>>148356481
That's a great gif. But if you've seen NGE what he shows us conveys all the information and emotion that is needed. I think everyone agrees that NGE is meant to be seen before the Rebuilds.

>>148356683
where's the episode where he made Asuka ugly?

>>148356772
Episode 8.

>>148356157
>a 7 sec scene of her with a doll.
Plus a conversation with Misato. Keep in mind the NGE-equivalent is Asuka blurting out"You know about my past, right?".

>NGE showed her being placed in an escape pod by her father and surviving 2nd impact lasting a couple of minutes. compared to 2.0's 10 sec second hand no dialogue depiction by Kaji.

In other words, I'm 100% right, which is more than you see initially.

>>148356309
Au contraire. Anno is promoting that very lifestyle with the Rebuilds, more than ever. Rebuild is more shallow, more otaku-friendly, and is a lesser work than the originals were. Anno is literally calling himself part of a service-industry right now.

You're delusional anon. You've been rused - Anno is a huge otaku and he consistently makes otaku works that cater to himself.

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>>148356684
> I think everyone agrees that NGE is meant to be seen before the Rebuilds.
I've meet plenty of people who forgo NGE because it looks old. They only see the rebuild films and have no idea what instrumentality, Ritsuko's mother, side characters like Toji, Kenske and Hikari.

In fact, I showed this image of Hikari to a friend who responded with "who's that; a fan-fic character?"

>>148356684
IS he making good movies? the majority of the fanbase loved 2 when anno ramped up the genre conventions, and despised 3 when he tore them apart, just like in the original series

he's not trying to make good, OR bad movies. he's trying to wake up otaku by jarring their sensibilities.

by that formula, 2.0, like the middle of the series, sets up a series of otaku conventions that anno wants to disappoint and not fulfill the viewer with in the conclusion

he stated this explicitly

otaku should return to reality. Does he still think that today?

for you english plebs
“I still feel the same as I did at the end of the TV series,” Anno replies. “At the end of the TV series, I was really putting that to the forefront; however, I think that now I have kind of given up on putting that in the forefront. At the end of the day, people will not really change, regardless; they’re just people. At the time, I felt that message was necessary, that people will need to go back to reality; and in a necessary time, I will give out the necessary message. But I think that now it will be a different message that comes to the forefront, although (the original message) is still important.”

http://www.mangauk.com/post.php?p=hideaki-anno-interview

he's only said this 100 or so times

in fact, it's the ONLY thing he ever says in interviews. he's never anwered a SINGLE question about the angels in an interview

>>148342679
The best part is that, in a series dedicated to demonstrating that caring is pointless, everyone missed the very literal demonstration of the meaninglessness behind exerting effort to change your world.

Shinji literally became god, and it meant nothing.

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>>148357083
>I've meet plenty of people who forgo NGE because it looks old

This is an /a/ meme

>>148356927
I think the rebuilds reflect the intensification of otaku culture since the 90's ended.

2.0 is called you can not advance because he's saying anyone that ikes this movie is stuck in an infantile fantasy

he intensifies the stereotypes (to the point of making it a bad movie that people love anyway) so he can tear it down even MORE with 3.0, by making 3.0 such an awful movie people walk out of the theater. then he makes nothing for 6 years, hoping people will forget.

he's engaging otaku through an otaku medium. because if he just made a PSA, it would be ignored.

>>148356683
>do these things just sort of fly over your head? your life must be terribly confusing

Not that guy but this never happened. You've spent too much time getting brainwashed by otaku on tvtropes.

Sort of ironic.

>>148357083
Well, she never wore a plugsuit onscreen, so that probably didn't help.

And I think it's a given I'm talking about the part of the fanbase that actually gives a damn about discussing this goddamn story. Most people who did see NGE probably don't remember Hikari either, and almost certainly did not understand what happened in episodes 25-26.

The deeper messages of Evangelion are not targeted toward those people.

Also, this
>>148357257

>>148357083
anno said he made the rebuilds to engage with a new generation of otaku. he explicitly said this.

he's trying to do it to engage and wake up a new generation of otaku who are so deeply immersed in moe culture they cant stand to deal with "unpleasant" things in television. I'll start looking for the quote.

he says that japanese culture has come to pathologically avoid things that are upleasant, and he wants to engage with that so he can force them to see things they dont ike for the first time in their lives

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>>148357342
Basically, based Anno wants to fight SoL moeshit.

>>148357257
>>148357297
What nonsense anon. You claim it's an anti-otaku PSA, but the undeniable facts are that otaku are extremely attracted to it, and the only ones who shake their head at it are essentially non-otaku.

Anno himself is a huge otaku, and it's also without question that Rebuild primarily caters to him.

>>148357342
>he's trying to do it to engage and wake up a new generation of otaku who are so deeply immersed in moe culture they cant stand to deal with "unpleasant" things in television
Even with a direct quote, Rebuild directly caters to otaku immersed in moe culture anyway. It's a story that so far, only moe otaku can enjoy.

the end the end the END IS NiGh
RUUUN ruUUun faaar plzzs

>>148357257

>3.0 was intentionally bad

No, he fucked up

There is absolutely no reason he could not torn down 2.0's themes while making 3.0 a good movie, all this does is cause people to resent 3.0 and put 2.0 on a pedestal

>>148357397
>>148357342
>>148357297
>>148357257
>>148357106
You are fucking retarded and should have your posting rights revoked.

Anno sat down, made some super-shitty otaku pandering movies, and here you are trying to pretend that the are deep.

Ten fucking years people, and you still pretend Anno is some righteous crusader who fights moe by.... making moe? What? How does that work?

Is he ironically making shitty movies? Is he ironically creating stories and characters that make no sense and have no value except their superficial traits?

No. He is making this to cater to himself and otaku.

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>>148357559
Maybe the genius crusading of Anno is that he can do all that at once while still just making pandering movies.

>>148357557
This.

But it has a much deeper explanation. 3.0 isn't simply Anno "fucking up", it's him giving in to the desire of making an extremely shallow pandering movie. This is why 3.0 destroys all chances at worthwhile characters, realistic plot progressions or character developments, and relies entirely on shock value and moe.

Only the extremely delusional otaku are left defending it because they can't tell the difference between "complex and consistent" and "chaotic and moe". They are people who did not understand NGE and were only left with confusion after having seen it, thus 3.0 feels familiar to them because it's lack of content matches their empty brains at the end of seeing NGE.

>>148357699
Somewhat - the genius is really the creation of a loyal fanbase. This requires pandering, and after that anything he will do is excused as "deep" or "provocative".

Keep in mind that this is a fanbase that literally claims fanservice is deep.

>>148357183
>This is an /a/ meme
well this happened to me.
>>148357297
>Well, she never wore a plugsuit onscreen, so that probably didn't help.
I mentioned Hikari's name, I said "you know the class president character that likes Toji" at which she responded with "who?"

>>148357342
>he's trying to do it to engage and wake up a new generation of otaku
are you wearing your tin-foil hat?
Thats incredibly stupid.

>>148357557
>3.0 was intentionally bad
>No, he fucked up
I liked 3.0, it was a step in the right direction. focusing on the main character instead of wishy-washy plot from 2.0

from what I've read, Anno is unhappy with how 2.0 became and purposefully distanced 3.0 from 2.0's story.

>>148357428
>Anno: there were many people who took something that I created as a source of amusement beyond those limits and made it into an object of dependence. I wanted to take responsibility for the fact that such people had been so "inflated." I wanted to bring the work back within the boundaries of entertainment. However, I have now withdrawn from dealing with it [or: from treating it thematically?]. Such people will not change no matter what I say. I now well understand that there is nothing I can do.

he tried to wake them up again. he realized they would never change, and so gave up. that's why 3.0+1.0 might never come out

>>148357557
see the above quote. he made eoe a good movie, and it just deepened their dependence

he has another interview I have to find where he talks about how "good" film is just film that selectively excludes unpleasantness, or constructs unpleasant things in a way that is pleasant to watch.

he wanted to break the conventions of film on purpose, to show people how contrived film is in terms of conveying points.

its why from the very beginning he never discussed the "themes" of eva. he said discussing themes in a literary context was stupid, because it was manufactured. eva was a dialogue with otaku. he wants them to stop. that's not a theme. it's a wake up call.

>>148357559
go shitpost on the ehentai forums, sperg

>>148357859
>I mentioned Hikari's name, I said "you know the class president character that likes Toji" at which she responded with "who?"

I noticed that with girls I know too, they tend to half listen to movies and series for some reason. Like, not dual screening, but even though their full attention will be focused on it, they won't be able to really discuss the plot afterwards, or remember the details and characters and stuff.

Basically, your friend is maybe just a bit dumb as far as watching stuff is concerned.

>>148357729
this. anno was creating a contrast. moderate otaku LOVED THE FUCK out of 2.0. so he made a bad film by intensifying those stereotypes to the point where it became a mess, completely out of touch with even basic aspects of reality. now the moderate otaku look at the severe otaku who STILL LOVE IT and stil masturbate to it and they say "whoa, that guys is fucked up mentally."

maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. but he's more or elss explicitly stated this

>>148358066
It was not just her but her friends boyfriend as well, He had no clue about any of this, neither of them watched NGE, they only watch the Rebuilds.
It is somewhat common, they cut-off any Anime unless it's from the mid 2000 to today.

the guy (a big lug) said that he couldn't stand NGE's animation.

>>148357859

>I liked 3.0, it was a step in the right direction

That really isn't saying much considering the previous films

>>148358008

>see the above quote. he made eoe a good movie, and it just deepened their dependence

Whoa, it's almost like regular people and otakus can recognise quality
Ever heard the phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face? This is Anno
You are talking about his motives not his creative result and we both know he didn't plan his themes, he channeled his internal darkness creatively as all artists do, without a plan

>>148358387
stop talking in metaphors, I have no idea what you're saying

I don't like 3.0. I fucking hate it. I never said anno was a genius. I'm just stating what anno has EXPLICITLY SAID his goal was.

I would have preferred a slow character study without even having robots, another EOE, or a well constructed mindfuck, to 3.0. pretty much anything else.

but 3.0 wasn't made for people who CAN detach from otaku culture. it was made for people who are so deep into it that they're lost.

anno didn't make the film for me. maybe not for you either, I don't know how many love pillows with fleshlight holes you have.

hardcore otaku don't LIKE quality cinema. they don't ENGAGE with quality cinema. so anno didn't MAKE a quality product. he is addressing the otaku directly with the only medium they will pay attention to

>>148352845
Nigger what, he literally took a spear to the back while Unit 01 was trying to go into god mode thanks to the clusterfuck of assimilating an angel and Rei

No one had control of what was happening in that moment, it had spiraled out of control of everyone in that moment

>>148358566

>I'm just stating what anno has EXPLICITLY SAID his goal was.

And you just believe and trust Anno on this?
Art has levels and presentation, this is just one

>but 3.0 wasn't made for people who CAN detach from otaku culture. it was made for people who are so deep into it that they're lost.

Then what was the point of the Karowu fan service?

>anno didn't make the film for me. maybe not for you either

This is a just an opinion but I would argue aging Asuka to double her age is pandering to that demographic who watched EVA as adolescents and ""grew up""
Oh look, the realistic girl is the same age as me after all these years

>>148359098
maybe you're confusing my post with someone else's

yes, I believe what anno said because he's said the same thing consistently since 1997

he gives the otaku a little of what they want, then a lot, then crushes it completely

>kaworu
give, then crush

>asuka is 14, but 28
give it, then crush

oh, you like underage girls. here's one. also, she has an eyepatch, except she's permanently scarred. also, she's tsundere, to the point of physically abusing shinji and showing zero affection.

oh, you like weak protagonists and mystery? here's a protagonist who does nothing the entire movie except be abused by other people. it's so mysterious there are zero answers.

oh, you wanted shinji to succeed by becoming a "man" in anime terms by being brave and piloting the robot? fuck you, the robot is stupid. shinji's problem was never the robot, and shinji's problem can't be solved in an anime, just like the viewer's problem can't. he
"man's up" by continuing to do what other people tell him to do, and it fucks things up again. fuck you.

oh, you like pretty little emotionless dolls? here's rei 2.0 who is also a shallow doll, but she has pretty paint. here's rei q, who is what rei 2.0 would act like in real life. fuck you

he has to draw them in just enough. it's just a repeat of the original series conventions, except tweaked for a modern otaku audience.

MORE mystery. MORE abuse. MORE emotionless doll. MORE fake moe

>>148358879
>>148358566

Kinda fucking petty though. Like, I dunno, personally, I'm not exactly wealthy nor someone with a great deal of free time, so traveling 50 miles to watch, what is ultimately a shit film is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Either way, I think what really bugs me about 3.33 is that it feels like most of the plot hinges on people being obtuse to the point of being obstinate. Like, the entire plot could have been averted if someone had just communicated with Shinji from the start but after fourteen years and apparently, despite several members of the cast being ranked military personnel (which implies a level of maturity), everyone just acts like petulant children and then wonders why he snubs them.

Like, I could still deal with the general plot of the film but the characters become so obnoxious that it just becomes boring, like, what's the point in even investing in a character when everyone acts like prickly twats? You know, whether or not you like Shinji at all, at least in NGE, there was an effort being made to humanise him, so, even if the audience didn't like him, they could at least sympathise with him.

But the characters in 3.33 almost entirely lack any redeeming qualities.

I mean, the whole rebuild thing was dumb anyway. There's literally no need when you realise that even the TV series has a conclusive enough ending. The narrative was just a vehicle for the allegory contained with in, so it was ultimately moot and thus jettisoned in the final episodes.

What can the remake possibly do that tops that? Other than detailing what actually happens after the final episodes. Like, personally, I can't help but feel it sorta exists to tarnish the original series now.

Like, at least Evangelion 2.22 was cool because it was just unadulterated fan service. Not that it justifies it but heck, nothing was ever going to top NGE anyway. Might as well enjoy the violence.

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>>148359424
anno didn't make the film for an englsh audience. he made it for otaku.

he feels an intense amount of guilt because he realizes anime is part of the reason japan is in a societal decline, and he made the single largest contribution to it of any single person.

for 20 years he wanted to correct his mistake. you probably don't understand just how guilty he feels.

the situation with shinji mirrors the situation with otaku, who are so stupid, and so inward, that their attempts to connect with the outside world ARE met with rebuke. neither otaku, nor shinji are remotely capable of understanding BASIC things about the world around them.

I hated 3.33 too. it wasn't MADE for us. Anno is trying to, somewhat futilely, reverse the awful effects of what he did to the anime industry. he's trying to save his country.

the TV show was SO good that 20 years later it is still the paradigm that most shows are formed around. that's the problem, for anno. he wants anime to go away, because it has morphed into an industry that destroys human minds.

he made the rebuild series to try and destroy the industry/market that HE created in the first place. I don't think it worked. but 3.33 wasn't supposed to be an enjoyable movie. it's a PSA disguised as a movie.

he singlehandedly expanded and sustained the dating sim/moe/be a helpless fag market for 20 years. he wants to end it.

one of the only anime creators he's ever praised is ikuhara, whose works are always "hey, you. stop that. anime is fucking stupid. go outside."

>>148359735
Except he's been on record defending otaku from outside critique as well. Were it not for that fact, your theory may have held water, especially in regards to Ikuhara. It's a personal work as much as it is any other work.

>>148359877
he defends otaku in the terms of "we need to try to understand these people so that we can help them."

he doesn't think the japanese way of attacking or ignoring them is effective in getting them to change.

but he still realizes otaku are destroying the country. he just thinks that the best way to help them change is to create a dialogue with them.

thinking being an otaku is bad, does not mean he supports attacking them or that he isn't allowed to sympathize/identify with them. I'm not sure why you drew a connection between the two unles you feel defensive yourself.

my theory DOES hold water because it is what he has SAID. in fact, it's the ONLY thing he's said in interviews for 20 years. over and over and over.

that doesn't make the first eva any less personal. he was personally grappling with otakudom and feeling suffocated by it, which is why a 30 year old man was able to write an emotionally stunted 14 year old so well.

it's a personal work, and a direct address to other otaku: " pretty girls. pretty girls, okay, I have your attention? stop it please, for your own good. we understand you. I am the same as you. you have to stop."

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>>148338451
I'm sorry to tell you, but you have terminal shit taste. That scene is great.

>>148360252
>but he still realizes otaku are destroying the country
You have no idea what you're talking about. While Anno does have misgivings about the current state of Japan, you're vastly overestimating the prevalence of otaku. His sentiment has more to do with post WW2 era Allied restoration and how he believes it effected the public concious, if you will.

>>148359735
Even if you your claims ultimately turn out to be falls, I can. at the very least buy into the idea that Anno, like many other stalwarts in the anime industry, have a desire to detach themselves from the "moe craze".

I mean, outside maybe Madoka Magica, how may of the biggest selling anime will really be remembered in ten years time or resonate with anyone who isn't an otaku? Most of the girls in anime are nothing like real women, for better or worse. How will an outside audience (either domestically or internationally) ever actually form meaningful connections to these anime when the subject matter seems so alien, so detached from reality?

So yes, at the very least, I can understand why he might have a bone to pick with otaku. Especially since they fetishize characters who are intentionally written to be unlikeable?

>>148360252
>>148360252

You vastly overestimate the influence of otaku culture on Japan. The sorry state of japanese otakus is a symptom of other issues, not the cause.

>>148360459
the two are not mutually exclusive. you're correct, he's directly stated that japan's status as a defeated nation basically castrated their national pride and ability to openly expres masculinity until macarthur fucked off, which was a generation and a half of useless adults

those useless adults then produced media, which replicated their own fractured and impotent mindsets. then the next generation grew up pampered and decieved by an onslaught of impotent media

in his interviews he says he actually has come to rather hate audiovisual media as a whole, and that it's better for people to be engaged in the outside world.

the two issues aren't divorced.

there are some pretty strong hints he's a japanese right wing nationalist in favor of things like censorship and heavier state guidance of education/socialization

>>148360499
>>148360553

I'm not making false claims. I'm more or less conveying to you what anno has been saying in japanese interviews (most of them untranslated) and what the saner half of 2ch has reached as consensus

the state of otakudom has morphed into its own cause of new problems. I don't really think an outsider can reliably claim how good or bad the state of 'otakudom' and its other associated problems are. a foreigner can't reliable state how bad or how "overstated" in your words, it might be. you really have no clue outside of secondary sources you've read.

>>148360599
I think you're jumping to conclusions based on insufficient evidence. Take Gunbuster, for instance. He would not have been able to create such a work had his demeanor been as you insist. Let alone Daicon and how celebratory it is of the culture you claim he hates.

>>148358008
>he tried to wake them up again. he realized they would never change, and so gave up. that's why 3.0+1.0 might never come out
Anno is directly saying that he is making Evangelion into pure entertainment. For whom? The otaku, as we have observed.

>>148360748
gunbuster was 30 years ago anon

anno came to hate his own state as an otaku. people change, especially when they feel trapped and unable to grow as people.

after eva, he's said the same thing for 20 years. no one denies he used to be an otaku and like the stuff.

he's literally said he really dislikes most of it, because it warps reality. he says it needs to be something that a person produces very carefully, lest it warp a person's mind

>>148360789
you're misquoting him

he said he's refining entertainment into the purest essence of what anime has become.

pure entertainment=/=pure essence of what entertainment has become

do you see the difference?

he's taking the elements of "entertainment" which include numbing a person's intelligence, pandering, detachment from reality, extreme sexualization, etc. and making a work that revolves around THAT.

big fucking difference. I blame the translators for that one.

>>148360915
It's entirely more likely that he has a love-hate relationship with otaku and his identity as an otaku. And if you want a more modern example, take Shin Godzilla.

>>148360983
No, you are directly misquoting him. He did not say
"he's refining entertainment into the purest essence of what anime has become."
he said, and this is a ctrl+c quoting:
"I wanted to bring the work back within the boundaries of entertainment."

You are lying, and lying badly anon.

>>148361174
I remember reading that interview in japanese. he absolutely said that

3.0 is as far as he felt he could push it in terms of refining the medium in terms of purity, and that's PRECISELY why, on record, he's stated he doesn't know when, if ever, 3+1 is ever gonna come out

you can look for it yourself, I'm not gonna bother

>>148361153
well, yes, more correctly.

I think his biggest problem is that the industry has become predatory and has created a system of profit taht infantilizes and halts the growth of the customers by making them completely dependent on the product, thus ensuring steady revenue streams

it's a fairly marked shift in the industry that took place, and he believes it has come to the point where it is eroding japanese morality and society

>>148361326
Really anon, more lies? I trust translators over your delusions. But you know what? I'll throw you a bone here.

Even if Anno was damned specific in what he said, his actions would still disprove his words. Because over the span of ten years, despite Anno's direct contact and control with the franchise's direction, with complete control over writing and every minute detail, the pandering and shallow otaku-catering has only intensified.

>>148361584
you're kind of dumb. he intensified it to match the new level that anime as a medium is at right now.

he has EXPLICITLY STATED THIS, he has said he knows that the original eva is tame compared to what the new baseline is, even though at the time, eva was probably one of the most pandering things on the market

he panders to them to open a dialogue with them

how are you so fucking stupid

MAYBE he's lying and he's just trying to make some cash. but the form of the content doesn't have a contradiction with his statements. you would just, in that case, have a suspicion, which is fine. but don't project that suspicion onto me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftl4nLbkKDQ

>>148343956
Misato had no idea Shinji would start the Third Impact. Are you forgetting that her entire reason of life is to take revenge on things that started the Second Impact and killed her father, she just realized angels were framed and Eva with Shinji do that shit now. That makes her target Shinji. He's lucky she didn't kill him.

Misato isn't a cute waifu, she's a revenge driven, broken woman who puts that genki and carefree front to conceal her issues.

>>148348670
That fuckwad is Satsukawa who is responsible for half of original Eva, retard. He's also Anno's heir and who will most likely take the franchise after he drops it. He's a known Asukafag and KaworuxShinji shipper too. So your ass better be ready.

>>148361701
That isn't even true. Not even if we consider just Anno. His previous works are far, far more "pandering" and targeted towards otaku than the original NGE. Even if we consider works he's simply just worked on as an animator, such as Cream Lemon, a hentai OVA.

I'm not telling you that Anno is doing this to make some cash. I'm telling you that Anno is an otaku extraordinaire that has in fact created deeply otaku-pandering works, moreso than ever before. It is indisputable that the Rebuilds are more shallow than NGE, while also having more fanservice.

You aren't being rational here Anon.

>>148361896
It's not Satsukawa faggot, it was Tsurumaki.

>>148348670
antidepressants suck ass and don't work. it's better that anno doesn't take them.

also, the fact that anno is handing directorial control to neets that masturbate to rei and asuka is just proof he wants to make rebuild as awful as possible.

"here, this is what you guys wanted, right? this is written by shippers, you wanted this right? oh, you didn't like it? good, go outside"

>>148361896
Satsukawa isn't part of this mess (he's barely involved and that's why the characters are so shallow - It was him who wrote the scripts that had more intense characterization plots). You're mistaking him with Tsurumaki, who is indeed a huge Asukafag who likes Shinji with Kaworu and has never hid this fact. He doesn't hate Rei, though, he has his own idea of Rei III being a different person and he likes it. That was apparently what was supposed to happen in NGE but dropped it.

>>148361986
> He doesn't hate Rei, though, he has his own idea of Rei III being a different person and he likes it.
That's the same thing. You can't cleave a character into multiple pieces and then say you don't hate it.

>>148362041
witness, everyone, the mindset of a hikki desperately seeking wish fulfillment from mongolian cave paintings

>>148362073
Nice projecting.

>>148362073
Nice non-argument.

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>>148362089
And this one.

>>148362041
He doesn't hate the character, he has a different idea about how Rei III is like and is invested and interested to do it. Hating the character would cut her out completely and give her no presence or weight. He just has a different idea of Rei and he wants to explore it. He's not a fan like us, he's one of the parents of Evangelion.

>>148361986
What happened to Satsukawa anyway?

But anyways, regarding Tsurumaki - it all sounds fishy, do you know what I mean? We all know what otaku are like. Tsurumaki is an otaku, an otaku who likes Asuka the most, and we all know how otaku who like Asuka treat Rei and Rei fans.

That's why I don't buy that Tsurumaki simply "has his vision of Rei". How can he like Rei, if his vision of Rei is drastically different from the actual, canonical Rei? It's simply a self-defeating stance.

It is becoming more and more apparent that Evangelion is now completely run by the self-interest of otaku, those interests matching those of Anno and Tsurumaki. All the Khara works have emphasized these interests, while at the same time downplaying the characters.

I don't think I could take Asuka, present a degrading version of asuka, and then excuse it by saying "it's my vision of Asuka and I lke her".

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Who is this fag?

>>148362159
anyone that doesn't indulge his autistic masturbation fantasy "hates" the character.

that poster is exactly like shinji, incapable of accepting anything outside of the narrow confines of what he's comfortable with

he defines everything he doesn't understand as a projection of hostility and hate just like shinji

it's sad, and a little pathetic, that he could watch the entire series and still end up exactly like shinji

>>148362203
>What happened to Satsukawa anyway?
I don't know. He has some minor consultant job but he's not heavily involved (he doesn't have an interview in any of the important cast books). It's a shame because it was Satsukawa the one who inserted all the sexual tension and adult themes in the characters. Anno was only in for mindfuck but he never handled the chemistry between the characters like Satsukawa did. Look how bland and 'harmless' is the relationship between Shinji and the girls or Kaworu in Rebuild vs the tension that he had naturally in the show. Or Misato and Kaji, or Ritsuko and Gendo. I think Eva is completely sanitized and boring now. Because retarded plotholes and unexplained asspulls were present since the tv show but the solid characterization and issues made one overlook them.

>>148362320
That's like saying Sadamoto hates Shinji, Kaworu, Rei or Asuka because he changed their characterization. He has another idea about how to development. That's all.

I can't judge Tsurumaki's job until Rebuilds end.

>>148362343
did satsukawa really do that? I always figured it was anno, though I didn't discount the input of others.

either way, with the new series, there's no room for subtlety, whether it's because anno is rusing us to make a point, or out of pure cynical calculation

new age otaku just want a bunch of masturbation fantasies. subtlety has no place

>>148362159
>He doesn't hate the character, he has a different idea about how Rei III is like and is invested and interested to do it.

See, this is a lie and has to be, because his different idea of Rei is inherently hateful, particularly when you imply that he knows what the actual Rei is like. Everyone could agree that giving Rei more screentime as Rei III isn't a bad thing, but his idea apparently includes dividing Rei's character into two, so that we get half the character.

What is this if not divide and conquer tactics from an asuka fan?

And this:
>Hating the character would cut her out completely and give her no presence or weight. He just has a different idea of Rei and he wants to explore it.

can't be true either. Because as we all know, is that if you hate someone, you spend time slinging mud on their name. Okay? That's what we do. That's what everyone does, take a look at this thread. It's what otaku do when their favorite girl is threatened by another.

His different idea of Rei is inherently damaging to not only Rei's character, but also Evangelion's reputation and integrity.

>He's not a fan like us, he's one of the parents of Evangelion.

He's an otaku Asuka fan, and he has changed.

>>148362413
>>148362320
Quit projecting.

>>148362413
I know that. but how are you going to explain that to the autistic reifag?

you can't. he's gonna get upset by your post, alt tab to ehentai, jerk it to a manga of shinji giving a facial to a clone of his mother, alt tab back into 4chan, and then pretend he's mentally healthy

it'd be funnier if it weren't true

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What do you guys think of Anima?
I see some similarities between it and rebuild.

>>148362466
Yes. Anno wanted it, but it was Satsukawa who wrote it. He was the "to go" guy for "atmosphere" and sexual tension. Just to give you an example, the episodes Asuka and Shinji kiss (with heavy Misato/Kaji drama) and the one with Kaworu and Shinji had his scripts because he was good to build sexual and romantic tension.

Right now, the relationship between Shinji and the girls and Kaworu feel like tack-on harmless fanservice instead of legitimate attraction that seems organic. There's no the goosebumps you could have felt by natural non-cliche reactions. Just the expected panty shot and the expected homo scene. Eva was more sexual all right, but wasn't fabricated to fit in stock fanservice for the audience. It was sexual because the ones in the project wanted to make it sexual. Right now it's sexless, even with Mari's bouncing tits.

>>148362541
>i have no arguments and I got told off, so I'll spew lies and insults

Sad!

>>148362651
There are similitudes because the author of Anima spoke with Anno about his idea for the future of eva before he wrote about it. Multiverse is canon.

>>148362538
I'm not projecting? I'm only saying I can't judge Rebuild yet until it's complete.

>>148338451
If we still had decent mods, you'd receive a public ban for this.

The end of 2.22 is immaculate. It's infallible. You cannot post on /a/ and dislike it.

>>148362814
OP doesn't actually think that, he only wanted to spark some interesting discussion, which it did.

Right OP? You're not a banned faggot, right?

>>148362667
interesting, about satsukawa

I still think the rebuild is supposed to be sterile, though. it seems intentional that he wanted to make a movie to appeal to otaku, so that he could undo it, if possible

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>>148362712
Actually, Yamashita Ikuto is working on the rebuild films, He designed the Evangelions since day one.

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>>148362712
>>148362877
I know he's been Working with Ginax and Anno/Khara as a mechanical concept artist since before Gunbuster.

>>148362748
>I'm not projecting? I'm only saying I can't judge Rebuild yet until it's complete.
Which makes you obviously delusional. You're refusing to judge and analyze critically a movie series in which three movies have been released, a series that has existed for ten years almost now.

Ten years, that is a lot of time. Ten years of denial is what you're proposing to me here anon, and thats disturbing.

>>148339598
When did we discard the "Asuka an angel" idea?

>>148365453
What was it based on? I don't really see it.

>>148338451
>first time and leaping from their seat going "YEAAAAAAAAAAH SHINJI KICK HIS ASS!" like some frat douche at a keggar
Sounds like projecting
What? That was your reaction?

>>148365564
That was mine. Are you offended by my unbridled enthusiasm?

>>148365531
how fucking New

>>148366070
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:(

>>148356163
A-fucking-men.

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>>148365531
I believe it's from this, from the groundworks of Eva.

translation
The face of “Asuka with the torn off identity” speaks in Kaworu’s voice.
K: “It’s not like you.”
A: “Not like me?”
K: “Being happy doesn’t fit you.”
A: “My happy self is scary. // So let’s go back to the usual me.”

She gets "infected"

I believe that this scene was removed in order to keep the Japan equivalent of a pg13 rating.(Noticed how the gore has been reduced, minus the unit3 bit/)

If you want to see more.
https://www.gwern.net/docs/eva/2010-crc#asuka-in-unit-03

>>148366538
Evageeks made a translation of various stuff from the groundworks of eva, (and hey evageeks are good at translating)

Misato's 2I flashback montage had a cut at the end showing blood squirting from the South Pole and reaching the Moon (see linked thread)
The scene with Rei's mysterious underground facility was longer. Her visit to the oversized test tube was prefaced by a stop with Ritsuko at another facility (consisting of a bunch of large pillars in a pit, in a blatantly SToL-like configuration) where Rei is showering after doing something mysterious.
The scenes with Shinji watching Rei wring out a cloth and embarrassing her in the elevator are present.
Eva-04 would have been shown in the report Fuyutsuki was holding.
During Asuka's Eva-03 test: She doesn't sprout "wings" (but she's still flung forward the same way). Instead of "feathers" flocking toward her, it's a bunch of NEEDLES.
After her face is struck by the needles, there's a chopped scene (which most people have already heard about; there are pics and translations around here somewhere) where her face gets ripped off and talks to her in Kaworu's voice. Asuka ends up pulling her face back on and being surrounded by big needly things, "like a porcupine".
9th Angel's explosion makes a giant tree-shaped thing.
When Shinji checks out Eva-03's entry plug, a bunch of faces or something form out of the Bardi-goo.
Before the cut where Eva-01 punches in Eva-03's face: Eva-03's upper body tries to crawl away, but gets grabbed and violently slammed into the ground again. (That sounds so awesomely grisly; I hate that this was cut.) In the dialogue column, "(Asuka)" is written next to the sound Eva-03 makes as it tries to escape.
The scene where Shinji sees Eva-03's pilot extracted from the plug was present. (Basically the same as the Toji version, just with Asuka in there instead.)

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>>148365531
This is the part responsible for that theory

There is a cut Seele dialogue after this where they say stuff about Angels merging with humans or whatever. (I think it's meant to anticipate the 10th Angel, similar to how the Seele dialogue in #17 anticipated future Angel-human contact.)


Scene with Kensuke trying to call Shinji after he quits is present.
Right after 10th Angel grows a humanoid body, there was a cut of the core "becoming a person's face". (Really scribbly; all I can see is the lower half of a face with a Viral-esque slasher smirk.) Dialogue column here says "groaning sounds (voice same as Rei's)". [However, the core looks perfectly normal later...]
The dummy system was originally labeled "Rei-00". The sound that comes out of the entry plug when Eva-01 rejects it is said to be "like Rei screaming" in the storyboard, and just "like screaming" in the script. (The stuff about the DMYSYS being from Golgotha IS here, BTW.)
After 10th barges into the command center, a bunch of pillars pop out of the floor in front of the command tower. (Angel-sealing hex pillars, maybe?) Looks like Zer starts chargin' its lazers anyway.
Giant red Rei is tentatively drawn as having a core (right below the clavicles; whatever happened to solar plexus love?).
Eva-01 sort of wraps its right arm around Rei and pushes her in, instead of just floating there while she sinks in.
The cut with the cross-shaped incision doesn't have any vortex forming above it. This is delayed until the next cut (the close-up of the ground being sucked toward the sky), where a big vortex is opening above a little vortex, and the big one eventually develops a black hole. The description refers to this as a "door opening". (c.f. the original publicity poster's reference to a "door")
Right after Eva-01 becomes a glowy thing, Maya was going to hectically squeal something about synch ratio surpassing something and something-something two A.T. Fields merging not-believable.

>>148366858
>Right after Eva-01 becomes a glowy thing, Maya was going to hectically squeal something about synch ratio surpassing something and something-something two A.T. Fields merging not-believable.
This is why people believe that Rei is inside Shinji in 3.0.
I'm not joking.

>>148360366
Is her spine going to be ok?

>>148338451
I say this as someone who was bullied before I got to highschool quite a bit: you need to let go of your anger and move on with your life.

>>148367246
Man, on one hand it's not like Anno to do feel-good twists like that. Then again, it's crazy enough that I could see it.

Also I miss Rei-II, Rei-III is scary.

>>148367280
It's fine, she's stretching.

>>148367413
The older scripts are more interesting than what we actually got.

>>148365531
Nearly got killed by that infection angel, believable that it infected her somehow turning her into an angel as well.
Shinji pounded on the bulletproof glass seperating him and Misato in 3.33 and barely made it shake, but Asuka punches it once and cracks spread throughout the entire pane. That's downright superhuman strength.
Also fucking everything in 3.33 was an angel so why not her as well.

>>148367543
Shinji pounded on the glass after Asuka broke it?

>>148365531
キール「エヴァ３号機は予定通り、第９使徒の依り代としての役目を終えた。」
「予定通り、使徒とエヴァの融合は可能であったな」
「そして、エヴァを触媒とし、我ら人類との融合の可能性も見いだせた」

Keel: As planned[1], Eva Unit 03 fulfilled its role as a medium[2] for the 9th Angel.
?: As planned, the fusion of Angel and Eva was possible.
?: And we've learned that, with Eva as the catalyst, even merging with us humans is possible.

>>148369055
Gendo didn't want 03, he resisted as much as he could without showing he knew something was up. That made it in, but then why was Rei as the test pilot ever an option he left open?

>>148369502
Remember Mari was more involved in the story, he could of got her to pilot unit3, if anything he could of just got Toji or anyone from shinji's school

>>148338451
did shinji awaken the mangekyou sharingan?

>>148353630
>>148353804
>>148353935
I wish I could have watched this movie, instead.

>>148370402
Same man, This sounds like a more interesting film.

I have no clue what happened to the story, That groundwork of eva is probably the only source for any insight for the film's production

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>>148369759
From what I understand, there was in-fighting between the 4 directors on how the story would progress.
This is what I have been told so don't take it as the actual account from someone. Why is Japan soo difficult when it comes to behind the scenes for any film.

>>148338451
>People responded to a thread that was literally a reworded Star Wars meme.

I am not sure why everyone gives Shinji such hard time for that. Didn't he also stopped Zeruel from causing very actual Third Impact (or, at least, that is what they should believe)? And wasn't this also literally the only way to stop him?

>>148368928
He did, because he heard Misato said that Rei isn't here anymore.

>>148370636
is there any particular reason people need to know everything that happens behind the scenes?

desu I find it kind of pathetic that people watch those things except for the top 1% of movies

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>>148374764
>is there any particular reason people need to know everything that happens behind the scenes?
Because I'm curious and it's my hobby; nothing wrong with that at all.
>I find it kind of pathetic that people watch those things except for the top 1% of movies
It depends on your personal top 1% then.

From the way 2.0 ended up as; Rewrites with direction from multiple writers/directors is a sound explanation.
Kinda fucking apparent.

>>148338451
It wasn't a fanservice for retarded general public.

Anno has found a different way to fiddle with viewers' brains.

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>one day anno will stop giving a fuck and let some hack make an Evangelion prequel SoL of Gendo, Yui, Misato, Ritsuko, Kaji and Asuka's mom in a school setting before 2nd impact.

>>148357557
>implting 3.0 was bad

Best rebuild movie by far

Don't tell me that EVERYONE here fell for a shitty crossboarding pasta, right? /a/ can't be this dumb and unknowledgeable, right?

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>>148348166
>Just kiss
That's too lewd for two young teenagers.

>>148376891
> implying Eva patricians need to justify starting their arguments and care about those plebeian details

>>148372910
They gave him a hard time because the plot demanded it, not because it was logical.

>>148338451
>I truly feel sorrow for my generation
Do people seriously say this unironically?

>>148376194
>Best rebuild movie by far
I agree
>>148377623
>They gave him a hard time because the plot demanded it, not because it was logical.
It added to Shinji's anxieties, that was absent in 2.0

>>148380279
Sadly.

>>148348166
should have been a two-partter

>>148369055
Was this in the film?

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>>148339072
? ? ?