one piece

>>148160243
chapter confirms once again that reiju a bitch

>>148160330
this meme needs to die

>>148160243
That's a big cat.

>>148161786
4u

>>148160243
Nothing happens: the chapter

Luffy fought cracker 2v1
Luffy would jobfodder hard if he fought cracker alone. FACT.
Luffy is a coward.

>>148161879
Relying on your allies doesn't make you a coward.

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>>148160330
What are you talking about?

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>luffy needed help to beat doffy
>now needs help to beat cracker

>>148162171
Flashback about shinobi war. Bonus points for actual children getting murdered by adults.

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>luffy stills needs people to weaken his opponents first

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What are the odds of the next mini series being 'The adventures of Cracker at the ends of the New World'?

pls Oda, I love Cracker

>>148161786
For who?

Gear 5 super evil monkey god devil transformation when?

>>148162470
THIS

I want Cracker to make biscuit houses for soem orphens on his travels

Sanji will soon know his beloved Nami-san came for him.
KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>148162349
I want to rub my glans against her forehead

>>148162520
When Zoro opens his demon Sharingan eye

>>148161879
>>148162363
>>148162413
>Muh honorable 1v1
You honestly expecting two years of training to bring Luffy to the level of New world veterans? It's surprising they are keeping up.
You guys have lost perspective.

>>148162470

That would be just awesome.

>>148162556
fuck yea, he can go around solving world hunger and shit

>>148162618
Then please tell Luffyfags to stop claiming he is admiral level.
Luffy is at most low admiral level. Like fuji maybe

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>>148162520

>>148162520
Brook scary skeleton mode when?
Sanji hell overdrive demon mode when?
Usopp god of the underworld mode when?

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Black Clover is getting an anime, One Piece's days are counted

>>148162911
Why does it look so off model?

>>148162911
literally who

gonna be crazy when Sanji's face mask falls off as he meets Pudding and it freaks her out

>>148162911
>Black Clover
It sounds so boring, I didnt even bother to read the first chapter

>>148161879
All Nami did was make it rain though. If it was raining naturally Cracker would be just as fucked.

If Nami wasn't there Cracker would be just as fucked because there's a fucking Waterfall and a River and Luffy has been known to discover when someone has a weakness to water.

>>148162672
>Luffy isn't admiral level
>Luffy is low admiral level
What the fuck is this faggot going on about?

>>148162413
kill yourself coalburner

>>148162911
it hasn't even been out that long through

reminder luffy wants to become the pirate king

>>148162672
From what we've seen so far in the story, Yonko commanders are "Admiral level." An individual yonko commander might lose to one admiral, but win against a different one. That's what it seems like.

I'm not sure why you believe an admiral would be immune to king kong gun, or fat fed gear 4 Luffy, or whatever his other forms he's guaranteed to have from fighting those animals during the timeskip.

Luffy believes he's at a level he can take on a Yonko and Rayleigh gave him that seal of approval.

>>148162618
does this mean they are going to stop kaido full mmrpg mode?

>>148162672
It took Akainu 10 days to defeat an admiral level character.
It took Luffy 11 hours.

Can't believe that Nami was actually useful outside of navigation

>>148162470
My favorite Mini Arc is Gedatsu's Accidental Blue Sea Life so yes please. Mini Arcs like that highlight that the foes that Luffy and Co face aren't 100% evil puppy stomping maniacs.

Oda outlines themes of good and evil constantly throughout One Piece, just because two people fight doesn't mean that one side is good and another evil.

>>148162911
animal original ending and that's the end of it

>>148162618
The first half of the story is less than one year long and Luffy was able to defeat a Rokushiki master, a Shichibukai, the Thunder Logia, and someone who is stated directly as having fought evenly with Kaido.

Cracker cut Luffy one time, and then Luffy found a way to be immune to his cut.

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for the faggot who said it was the 1º time nami saying that

>>148162618
>a yonko commander only landed 1 blow on Luffy in 11 hours.
>this somehow makes Luffy weak because the weather helped him.

>>148163195
>>148163245
Admirals are clearly above Yonko commanders
Akainu one shot Ace
Kuzan froze Jozu like it was nothing
Jack got effortlessly drowned by Fuji
The only one who put up a fight was Marco but he got defeated aswell

>>148160243
>Lord Sanji
>Break a leg
Did they see the Vergo fight?

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>>148163362
Thank you kindly. You're right, I probably completely speedread that part. My bad anon.

>>148163495
Kill yourself

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>tfw we got a fatass 4th gear and not pic related
Is Oda afraid of drawing badass now?

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>>148163578
Sure buddy, I'll get right on that.

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The 2v1 thing makes perfect sense to me. Imagine how pissed everyone would be if he suddenly got strong enough to 1v1 Yonko commanders so soon after Dressrosa. And imagine how much they'd still be pushing that "Nami (or any SH other than Zoro) is useless" meme.

So they want the crew to be good, but they want Luffy to be so good he doesn't need the crew, but still would get mad if he didn't use the crew.

>>148163595
thank god Oda doesn't cater to big flaming homosexuals like yourself

>>148162520
It's just around the corner.

>>148163445
This and admiral/Yonko/Yonko commanders aren't power levels either

Whitebeard was stronger then Akainu but Akainu is probably stronger then the rest of the Yonko excluding maybe teach now

>>148163445
Akainu explicitly failed to one shot Ace.
He was about to one shot Luffy so Ace jumped in front of the blow to save him.

Kizaru explicitly failed to defeat Marco on his own. And even then, only won because Whitebeard had a seizure.

Diamond Jozu also only lost to Aokiji once he looked away because Whitebeard had a seizure.

You're wrong.

>>148163595
If you haven't realised that Luffy is just a silly guy after almost 20 years of this series then maybe this isn't the series for you. Zoro does the badass one liners and cool guy shit. Luffy will always be the silly goofball.

I stopped reading One Piece at chapter 800 just to be able to read an arc all the way through with no interruptions. Has enough happened yet that I can start reading again?

>>148163445
>Jack got effortlessly drowned by Fuji
[citation needed]

>>148163745
Nah, nothing happens every chapter.

>>148163745
You can read all of Zou.

>>148163745
No. Wait a bit more. Trust me.

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>>148163595
>badass
Looks fucking retarded. Besides, the more badass parts of one piece are usually actions and not appearance, as opposed to more tryhard animes.

>>148163745
According to /a/ every chapter has been literally nothing since the formation of the Straw Hat grand fleet, so you are better off going into cryogenic stasis for 50 years or at least until One Piece finishes.

>>148162470
>Cracker ends up at Raftel

>>148163855
>since the formation of the Straw Hat grand fleet
newfag please go

>>148163745
You should wait until the conclusion of Whole Cake Island, and then intentionally only read a chapter every three days, so that when you finish, we're well into Zou.

>>148160243
>Prince Sanji! Fabulous he!
>Sanji Vinsmoke
>Genuflect, show some respect
>Down on one knee!
>Now, try your best to stay calm
>Brush up your sunday pomme
>Then come and meet his spectacular coterie
>Prince Sanji!

>>148160243
>break a leg!
top kek

>>148163745
Nah just furries 'n shit. Don't worry about it.

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>powerlevels

Why do you guys cling to this shit?

Did someone else noticed Sanji was wearing the Germa black cape

So did Luffy really blast Cracker off the god damn island? Is there at least a chance that he'll crash into one of the surrounding islands of Totto Land so that he's not completely out of the story?

>>148163445
If you can claim that Kizaru legitimately beat Marco because he was stronger than you can definitely claim that Luffy beat Cracker because he was stronger.

Because a vice admiral sucker punched kairoseki handcuffs onto Marco while Marco looked in horror at Whitebeard having a seizure and having his face melted off, and before Marco was in seastone cuffs, he was continuously advancing on Kizaru like the guy was nothing.

>>148163595
>literally Gon-san minus the hair
>by: some faggot
>Luffy ever doing "seious" shit

>>148163848
>animes

You both kill yourselves.

>>148163740
You what? Luffy had lots of cool moments and mature speeches already. He also had cool fights. Or you trying to say that Gear 2nd wasn't badass as fuck everytime he used it?

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>>148164068

yeah he's really cool in Germa 66 outfit. Do you think he has "3" somewhere?

>>148163740
Zoro is a bit retarded though.

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Reiju legit does something to me. I honestly dont know what specifically but I like it. I like it a lot.

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>>148164081
kizaru is hella strong and hasn't shown shit, he was barely even trying during the marineford fight

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>BM commander defeated by meme character
>Jack and Cracker literally BTFO

Why are the Yonko commanders such shits?

>>148163740
Luffy constantly has serious moments retard.

>>148164190
>hella
Piss off.

>>148164046
Autists can't help themselves. They like the cleanness of numbers, and the belief that there are simple rankings that determine 100% who can win in a fight against someone else.

>>148164190
>wasn't trying
Citation is needed.
>rayleigh vs kizaru
Kizaru directly stated that he was going "overboard" on Saboady and Rayleigh still cut his face.

Rayleigh, who trained Luffy directly for 1.5 years.

you can talk about kizaru's strength but its irrelevant and was irrelevant against marco. Someone else had to slap seastone onto marco for him to get defeated. And Marco would have wrecked Kizaru if it was the reverse too.

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>>148164190
>hella
Bruh. You from the land of the living huh?

>>148164190
Kizaru is meant to appear hella strong so that he can job to Blackbeard in front of the whole world.

>>148164081
Akainu fought all the Whitebeard Commanders and Crocodile at once by himself

Imagine if Kizaru was serious

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>>148164191
>Urouge
>meme character
These are canon spoilers brah

>>148162911
Let's be fair, Black Clover is much better than Fairy Tale and Psyren; I have hopes for it.

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>>148164190
>hella

>>148164392
Akainu is not Kizaru.

>>148164392

GTFO Marinesfag.

>>148164046
i really don't get it, is it only a manga/anime thing?
I don't spent much time on /tv/ but i've never met someone who argues about who's stronger between jon snow or robb stark or something like that.

>>148163757
He doesn't have to move a finger to use his power, just needed to apply some gravity over his ship and that's it
His DF is the most broken in the series imo

>>148163445
Akainu hit Ace while he was taking a blow for Luffy, earlier in the fight he just blasted Ace away without doing significant damage.

Aokiji only froze Jozu because he was looking away and Aokiji took a strong hit from Jozu earlier.

Jack had Fujitora, Sengoku and Tsuru to contend with at the very least. And remember that he didn't get 'drowned', he actually escaped and was in good enough of a condition to attempt a second raid on Zou.

Marco and Kizaru went against each other equally until Marco got distracted and a vice admiral interfered by slapping seastone cuffs on him. Only then was Kizaru able to hit him and after he got them off again he just healed right back using his devil fruit.

Also, powerlevel faggotry is retarded and has never applied straight in One Piece, the matchups are always more complicated than that and largely depend on things like specific abilities, tactical ability and skill. Apart from obvious ones like Enel vs Luffy there's also Lucci, who would've lost much earlier had he not found a way to counteract Luffy's destructive Gear 2 attacks using Kamisori and Life Return. Usopp and Chopper only defeated Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas because they're both strategical geniuses in their own right and managed to turn the otherwise unbreakable combo of their far stronger opponents against them using a combination of wit and psychological tricks to serve as diversions.

Luffy right now could be killed by a barely 10m bounty scrub from one of the blues if he was distracted and said scrub was a (for his level) skilled assassin. If Luffy didn't have observation haki the 'distracted' qualifier could be replaced by 'not expecting danger'. This is just how One Piece works.

>>148160243
DUDE HAKI LMAO

>>148164459
>Zoro already defeated the gravity gimmick.

Each of Blackbeard's fruits are better. Including his own superior gravity fruit.

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>>148164102
>>148164166
>>148164211
I'm saying that he isn't "edgy". Neither is Zoro really but edgy has become the best memeword for these stuff. Gear 4 was cool as shit but it was also undeniably silly. Even Doffy laughed it off. Cause it was meant to be silly. Luffy looked like a fat black ball that couldn't stop bouncing. That's not menacing. His fucking strength is.

Come on guys, I thought it was obvious what I meant considering the context. The guy posted an obviously edgy as shit picture. So that's what I'm going to be talking about. I didn't want to use the word edgy because like I said, it's kinda lost its meaning around these parts.

>>148164190
>hella

fuck off norcal

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Literally when did they reveal Cracker's bounty other than during this chapter?

From what I remember, the bounty part when he showed off his wanted poster was covered up.

Also, did Luffy seriously just beat someone with a 860,000,000 bounty that quickly? Even Doffy put up more of a fight

>>148162911
Is this the special or is it getting an anime for real?
Looks great btw

>>148164400

Shuttle your whole mouth. Psyren was the shit until the rushed ending. Better than the retarded naruto/fairy tail fusion that is BC

>underrating the admirals
you are all hopeless

>>148164046
The truly funny thing is that as much as manga and anime are so often bad about this western media are often far worse about this, mainly because of capeshit. Even the more boring fights late in DBZ's lifecycle are at least as if not more interesting than most superhero battles. It doesn't help that western artists for some reason seem to have a lot of trouble of conveying motion in drawings compared to japanese, or am I the only one who has noticed that?

>>148164403
Dat tattoo. Wait i thought Nami got rid of her Arlong pirate tattoo. What the fuck?

>>148163595
>some edgelord shit

nah

>>148164400

Shut your whole mouth. Psyren was the shit until the rushed ending. Better than the retarded naruto/fairy tail fusion that is BC

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>>148164576

>>148164601
But Aokiji is a yonko commander

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>>148164364
>>148164190
>hella

>>148164455

Prime Selmy or Prime faggot with the white sword?

It does happen often actually.

>>148164603
Speaking of autism.

>>148164657
And he got rekt by an admiral

>>148164604
That's the orange tree tattoo she had put over the old one and the scars of her stabbing herself in the shoulder repeatedly. Look at it, it's a completely different design than Arlong's insignia.

>>148164601
This

The admirals are Yonko level. Whitebeard was an exception (the strongest fucking man in the world, second only to BB)

>>148164647
There's nothing worse than FT.
Nakama power shit.

>admiralfags
There is a reason why the WG needed to add the Shichibukai to deal with the Yonkos

>>148164697
You can just say why you disagree you know, nobody's gonna laugh at you for something like that when you're on a Yuguslavian folk dancing forum

>>148164604
Heso Speedreader-kun

What are your thoughts on Tankman?

To me it's literally Gear Four Fuusen.

Although aside from the spoilers, i didn't expect it to actually grab and suck in an attack and bounce that shit away like team rocket.

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>>148164791
>Shichibukai
>dealing with Yonko

>>148164046
Because people are idiots and don't focus on the character's wits instead. Also, DBZ is to blame and breed a bunch of retards who focus on who's "powerful".

>>148164791
The Shichibukai have nothing to do with the yonkos, they exist to defeat/intimidate the jobbers from paradise because the admirals are too busy with the yonkos

>>148164603
Not sure why you're bringing this up.

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>>148164576
You should try reading the words that accompany the pretty pictures.

You should also understand that bounties aren't powerlevels.

>>148164737

So BB is stronger than them for you? And Kaido is the most powerfull man in the world atm, and WB was stronger than them. So out of 5 Yonko, three of them have been confirmed to be stronger than an admiral and the other two are not revealed yet.

Akainu is probably Yonko lvl but that's all.

>>148164794
>Yuguslavian folk dancing forum
True autism indeed. Everyone knows this is a place for basket weaving.

>>148164576
>acting like a bounty is a power level
Is this bait?

>>148164780
I remember when I first read One Piece I thought it layed the friendship/nakama on a little too thick. Then I read Fairy Tail and realized it could have been so much worse.

>>148164603
It's a lot easier to draw motion when you do black and white and aren't required to draw an elaborate background for every panel.

Capeshit tries to be Serious artwise these days, you could never get away with the classic manga speedlines

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>>148164884
>tfw I'm now a Spee D. Reader

>>148164455
Because in GOT Most Are just People without Special Fighting abilities, except Some Magie. Bzw, There were Tons of discussions in tv about the Baristan powerlevel and Why hes a Jobber in the Show

Great chapter.

>>148164944
Yea, you're a living meme. That's great and all but seriously, don't think that bounties are powerlevels. Also, keep in mind that Doffy's bounty was frozen for ages. Don't be all disappointed when Jack goes down.

>>148164889
Akainu is only a hair above Aokiji
That makes Aokiji around yonko level too by that line of thought

I don't think Fujitora is Yonko level though, but he isn't far off I don't think

And I think BB is stronger than anyone shown in this series.

Why do people entirely forget Luffy's speech in Arlong Park? "I can't cook. I'm a terrible sailor. I can't use a sword. And I can't even lie. Without my friends I would have been dead a long time ago!" -Luffy when Arlong made fun of him for being weak.

One of my favorite aspects about One Piece is how Luffy's strength in the series is balanced, and even when he gets his gears, they come with negative side effects. Its not like in other shonen, where the main character power screams until he is glowing bright enough to win, or he awakens his inner demon or something to win. The battles are tactical, and situational. I would compare it to part 3 and beyond for jojo's. It just seems like people thought Luffy would enter the new world with seven gears or something, and get to solo yonkou commanders left and right. The best thing that could happen to me for the series now, is if every fight from now on wasn't one on one, and always something else. I don't see Luffy being a yonkou or commander on his own without it being powerlevel bullshit, unless its some kind of tactical hard counter, like what happened with Luffy being immune to Enel.

>>148164964
Wasn't Baristan like one of the top 3 swordsmen in Westeros? Mountain being one of the other 3? I think it was just Jaime's line though. Something like "only 2 could have beaten me" or whatever. My memory is fuzzy. Been a while since I've read the books.

>>148165043

Bounty are not powerlevel yes you are right.

But Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo, you disgusting Doffyfag.

>>148165079

Kaido would curbstomp bb

>>148164400

Being much better than fairy tail is not saying much. Fairy tail is arguably the worst manga in history.

>>148165141
Barriston was on the level of Dayne without a special sword.

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>>148165176
>Kaido would curbstomp BB
Why isn't he Pirate King yet, then?

>>148165142
Nigger, how in the fuck did you even manage to assume that? When the fuck did I say Doffy was stronger than Cracker? All Isaid was that his bounty was frozen. Considering how the WG treated Crocodile, Doffy's bounty would probably be around 500m. Not because of his strength but his crime.

Doffyfag my ass. Fuck outta here.

>>148165142

I highly doubt it.

Cracker's defense and haki is pretty insane but doflamingo would still win.

>>148165080
>they come with negative side effects
That are completely forgotten after he used a new gear a few times.
It was completely forgotten how Gear 2nd decreased his life expectancy. And it was already forgotten that Gear 4th turns him into a midget, or at least it wasn't explained yet why it didn't happen during the fight with Cracker.

>>148165079


BB was not two year ago. I think at the moment he's still under Kaido but yeah since he's the final boss he will probably be the strongest man in the world before getting his ass kicked by Luffy.

>>148165186
I don't even remember who Dayne is. Is he one of the old Kingsgaurd that died during Rob's rebellion?

Also, what special sword? Valerian? Does that really have any special properties that are relevant against humans?

>>148165235
That's gear third.

If carrot and chopper end up fighting and beating mirror person because they can't tun forever, carrot will join the crew.

This is my prediction

>>148161879
Was cracker fighting alone? No.

>>148163445
I don't this is really a fair assessment of Yonko commanders in general or even the admirals.

Whitebeard's team was weak or maybe Oda scaled back their power at Marineford because he intended for them to lose.

We don't really know much about Yonko structures, but Big Mom and Kaido seem to have a Top 3 when it comes to commanders.

Luffy didn't really KO Cracker as much as he won by ring out.

Jack maybe have jobbed twice but he was up against a couple Marine legends and another time he got hit by something that might as well be on the strength of an ancient weapon. Its easy to forget that he fought on par and didn't budge while fighting for several days against Inu and Neko who served both Whitebeard and Roger which is an impressive feat in One Piece-verse.

Also the original Admiral trio were considered impressive in their own right, so they're probably above in strength what other previous admirals were (minus other Marine legends like Sengoku). Fujitora and Ryukugyu might not have been Marines before becoming Admirals, but they were enlisted given their unprecedented strength. I'm not sure if that puts them on par with Akainu/Kizaru/Aokiji.

Either way, whether Admirals or Yonko commanders are stronger depends on who Oda decides to win the battle. We'll probably see Marco and other commanders pull out attacks that are stronger and more on par with admirals in the future.

I can't really help but reiterate how uneven the power scale has become. Many characters then (Marineford) are weaker than the same characters now. And I'm not talking about characters such at The Worse generation which have obviously grown.

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>>148160243
>Zeff confirmed for the source of Sanji's nonsensical white knighting that could've potentially gotten one of his nakama killed

He just got knocked down several pegs on the character ranking totem poll.

>>148165301
Arthur Dayne the Sword of the Morning. His sword was made from a fallen star which makes it as good as Valerian.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Arthur_Dayne

>>148165235

The gear drawbacks were implied to only be a thing because luffy hadn't mastered them yet

>>148165217

Because the first guy said "Doffy put up more of a fight than a 860M guy".

And you answer with "Bounties are not powerlevel" implying you agreed indirectly with his statement.

>>148165307
True, my bad.
Gear 4th completely depletes his Haki. Still the same kind of applies. It isn't really explained why this didn't happen in the Cracker fight. Eating all those cracker soldiers might be it, but that would be kinda meh.

>>148165235
Gear 2 didn't decrease his life expectancy literally, did it? Lucci was saying that using it over and over and over in such close succession would be bad. Not that 1 use = X years or some shit.

And Gear 2 always did tire him out. Not a lot because even after Blueno, he wasn't that tired. But it was whatever.

Gear Three however had the drawback until Marineford. And he literally only used it for one punch so the time he remains a midget would be reaallly short. Luffy said that the time he spents in Gear 3 would be the same time he'd be a midget.

Gear 4 never made him into a midget. Overuse of Haki made him tired for 10 mins. That was it. He didn't overuse Gear 4 against Haki. During the 11 hours he ate and ran. He didn't stay in Gear 4.

>>148164698
>ten days of fighting
>wrecked

>>148165220

So. Cracker has a better offensive power, better defensive power, a DF acting pretty much in the same way as Doffy's. He put up more of a fight against G4 Luffy. And your conclusion is : Doflamingo is stronger.

How?

>>148165467
I was saying it more from this point of view
"Even if you think bounties are powerlevels, Doffy's real worth isn't 340 so you shouldn't be thinking that anyway."

I'm bad with words.

>>148165609
>a DF acting pretty much in the same way as Doffy's
>only similarities
>Paramecia
>can be used to create clones
Wew lad

>>148165609
Cracker can only make clones, doffy can do shit like birdcage, controling bodies and flying between clouds

>>148165609
Cracker didn't have his internal organs eviscerated at the start of the fight. Cracker didn't take a meteor attack from Fuji before his fight with Luffy.

Cracker didn't have to run down to Punk Hazard, try and kill Smoker, get frozen by Kuzan, and then fight Luffy, either.

Cracker just fought an already tired Luffy who had just got done fighting Mirror Luffy instead.

>>148165523
Yes, Gear 2 only decreased his life expectancy if he overused it due to strain on his heart. Not like Luffy ever cared about growing old to begin with though, he'd be happy if he just dropped after having all the adventures he can have and having the biggest party afterwards, even if he were only 25 or something.

>>148165043
What would be Doffy's real bounty anyway?

>>148165202
because he cant read pornygriffz

>>148165609

Because face it, luffy's DF is average as fuck, and the only reason it got this strong is because luffy is a protagonist genius with it.

Doffy's strings would be tons more effective against cracker, while luffy can do nothing but direct attacks, crackers advantage.
Nevermind the fact that gear 4 tires luffy quickly, he had to be dragged the fuck away from doffy after use.

I still think the 11 hour skip is absolute bullshit too.

>>148165692
Now, Doffy didn't take the meteor attack, he blocked it and didn't look worse for wear at all afterwards, even if he did have to go at it seriously to block it. Getting frozen by Kuzan didn't seem to affect him much either, and he had a night's rest between that and the events of the Dressrosa arc anyway.

Saying that he got his organs fucked up is plenty, that's a gigantic amount of damage that he all but said would've taken him out entirely had he not been able to use his strings to patch them up temporarily.

so
the one who get raped by urouge > cracker > vista > jozu > jack > marco atm?

>>148165776
A lot higher than his former bounty, that's for sure. We'll never know until he inevitably gets out of jail again though, unless that happens at a time when the world government and the marines are getting so fucked up near the end of the series that they won't even bother.

>>148165776
I think being the biggest broker in the underworld, a weapon dealer and Kaido's DF provider would inflate his bounty a lot, hard to tell but probably between Cracker and Jack

>>148165776
Between 400-600m. Mainly because of what he did to Dressrosa and for how long. Also the Joker factor. The rest partially because of his strength and the fact that he used to do pirate shit. Nothing insane because he's not directly under a Yonkou and doesn't needlessly destroy stuff.

>>148165840
>immune to lightning
>imbued with haki, allows immunity to piercing and slashes
>probably immune to earthquake
>immune to blunt damage (if they have haki he just applies it too)
>gives the ability to stretch
>grants incredible durability (three or four rokuogans did not kill him)
>grants incredible fighting potential
>grants long reach
>grants the ability to fit in a tight space
>taken off a yonko flagship

>implying it's not why Roger could withstand Quake.

>>148165929
It's amazing how not even one part of this entire sequence makes any sense whatsoever.

>>148166022
mom generals is shit, just deal with it

>>148165929

Marco > Cracker > Jozu = Vista?
No idea for Jack

>>148165990
Also some other things:
>Able to inflate to absorb Sengoku's attack.
>Able to get fat and swallow yonko commanders in rubber haki fat folds where they are completely defenseless and can't escape

Why do you think this fruit is mediocre? It's top tier.

>>148166050
Mom's generals are shit, but they're at the top of your rankings?

>>148165142
>But Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo, you disgusting Doffyfag.

Not even a Doffyfag but that's bullshit.

>>148166085
its shitranking

>>148160243
Luffy just fucked up big time he just sent one of BM's commander's flying.

>>148166060
i think only top tier swordsman can cut jozu

>>148160243
Cracker's defeat was the equivalent of a fat dude laying down on top of a skinny dude so he can't move and making him say uncle.

>>148164872
>What is the 'balance of 3 powers'
>What are lower ranking marines

Speedreader dono pls.

>>148164852
Kuma, Dofflamingo, weevil and maybe Hancock are clearly near Admiral level.

Mihawk is even above and possibly the 2nd or 3rd strongest man in the world.

Not gonna lie that attack as goofy as it is was pretty fucking hyphy

>>148166190
hahahahahaha >this whole post

>>148166153
I think that Mihawk uses CoA to cut steel, whereas Zoro can cut hard objects using both the CoA that Mihawk taught him, and the special lesson he received from Koshiro.

Both masters teachings will be critical in the fight against Shiryuu.

And YES, this is to say I believe that Zoro could cut Jozu, but Mihawk could not. But Mihawk is a stronger swordsman despite this.

>>148165990
>>148166061
It's more like Luffy is top tier. Much like Cracker, who got a fruit that's garbage at first glance but with diligent training, allying himself with someone who lives on an island largely composed of biscuits that are apparently strong enough to build houses out of (Caesar's lab was only reinforced with steel because of the risk for mishaps with the experiments).

Luffy with a decent Logia fruit would have been treading water with the admirals as early as his first meeting with Aokiji.

>>148165142
>stronger than Doflamingo
define stronger?
what does strong mean in the one piece world?

>>148165478
>It isn't really explained why this didn't happen in the Cracker fight

Because that was 11 hours ago when he either came out of it immediately and went the eat biscuit strategy or just depleted his haki which isn't necessary to eat.

>>148166061

Because if you apply luffy's "creativeness" and awakening to awake bunch of other fruits they sound godly too. Even the spring fruit could be insane if his whole body has spring properties

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I wanna be Reiju's Sanji 2bh

are we just gonna ignore the fact that this chapter was 12 pages long?

>>148166282

Would win against Doflamingo.

>>148166343
that doesn't answer my question.

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>>148165990

>immune to lightning
Yes
>imbued with haki, allows immunity to piercing and slashes
Stronger against, but no immunity
>probably immune to earthquake
What? Earthquakes make you drowsy and unbalanced as fuck, luffy tends to freak out.
>immune to blunt damage (if they have haki he just applies it too)
Yes
>gives the ability to stretch
How fun
>grants incredible durability (three or four rokuogans did not kill him)
Mostly because Monkey D.
>grants incredible fighting potential
Only if you invest your life into training it, many df users get lazy.
Sand can instantly drain you, Ope can do all kinds of fucked up things inside the bubble, etc.
>grants long reach
See stretch, also, there are much better long reach options
>grants the ability to fit in a tight space
That's terrifying if you can't get out
>taken off a yonko flagship
DF's are random as shit, it's like those candy machines.

>>148166343
So, how would he get to him if he's hanging from the clouds?

>>148166287
>>148166264
I remember Oda once said that there is no shitty devil fruit, that a user's creativeness determines the fruit's potential.

I also remember (more recently) he said that some devil fruits counter others, like Magu Magu vs Mera Mera, BUT that this does not necessarily mean the Mera Mera could not beat it.

All fruits have a similar potential, some just have a more obvious way to achieve it than others.

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>>148166240
Don't make me use the speedreader buzzword again

>>148166264
The Admirals would still be many miles stronger than Luffy though. Especially if you consider that Luffy inevitably wouldn't be as strong because he never would have been pushed to his limits. Luffy would have managed just as much as he did with the Paramecia. An attack that does literally 0 damage and then frozen. Otherwise he'd need an amazing Logia that could actually counter people, like Caesar's. Or Enel's, which just has a ton of power. But both ofthose are top tier fruits.

>>148166408
Enel vs Luffy demonstrated that second point beautifully. Even though Enel's powers can't directly affect Luffy he bypassed that by heating up his weapon and the nearby gold. Even without his DF he was strong enough of a physical fighter to keep up with Luffy. He almost won in spite of his huge disadvantage in DF ability.

>>148166393

Doflamingo need to attack him if he want to win. Cracker can attack from distance too. But yes if he want Doflamingo can run away...

>>148166282
Doflamingo was stronger than Cracker because:
1. He tried to control his ENVIRONMENT first in a fight (Birdcage).
- Oddly enough, Luffy appeared to learn from this by having Nami control the environment he fought Cracker in. Cracker made no attempt to manipulate his environment to his own advantage. If he was smarter he would use some biscuits to shield the others from rain. He wasn't.

2. He tried to keep his opponents pressured based on things that go beyond combat ability (everyone is gonna die in 30 minutes) so that his opponent is forced to blow his load.

3. He had incredible regenerative capability, and could take more real damage than Cracker by a huge margin.

4. He is a leader with Color of the Conqueror who successfully conquered an Ancient Kingdom.

5. He can manipulate enemies. Luffy had to be in GEAR 4 to not be manipulated by Doflamingo's string. Cracker has no equivalent to gear 4 that would allow him to resist it.

Cracker would lose to Doflamingo as easily as Sanji because he would be manipulated as a string puppet and Doflamingo would not even need to target or destroy his clones in the first place.

If you honestly consider this without bias, you will know it to be true. In no way does this mean Cracker is not strong as fuck.

>>148166374

Do you want me to explain to you why i think Doflamingo would lose against Cracker?

>>148166589
Doflamingo can attack from all directions, the moment he tries to hide behind a wall of clones he gets skewered by strings from underneath and the fight is over because Cracker can absolutely not take a punch.

>>148166496
Yeah, the story wouldn't have gone as it did if he had a much 'stronger' fruit, and he wouldn't have been able to hurt Aokiji still because he wouldn't have haki. But with him being by default invulnerable too and being able to create a lot of something to go up against Aokiji's ice he would've been able to put up much more of a fight, even if the outcome would've inevitably been the same. That's why I said 'treading water' rather than 'go up against' since he's still certain to lose in the end.

>>148166461
none of those jobbers could lay a finger on an admiral, let alone a yonko
fuck off you and your shichibukai

>>148166681

Yes because Cracker is not going to put some Cracker underneath him, yeah yeah.

>>148166589
When did Cracker show the ability to attack at range aside from his non-flying biscuit soldiers?

>>148166264
Any logia is super fucked against Blackbeard. At least with the rubber paramecia Luffy is still used to fighting and being hit.

When you have a super logia you are used to raping everything without resistance. Like Enel was.

>>148166408
>there is no shitty devil fruit
What about the Jacket-Jacket? or whatever it's called

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>>148166461
>Shanks being a Yonko
>A shark ate his arm

>>148166751
Doffy can use his strings to fly as long as there are clouds. How is Cracker going to do anything to him up there? He doesn't have the range and he doesn't have an ability that allows him to do anything about the clouds, so he loses. Simple as that.

>>148166264
Pre Skip Nami indisputably deflected the Lightning Logia's lightning with just knowledge of how electricity works.

So while a logia makes you super strong, it can also make you super weak.

Rubber is really one of the most versatile and robust substances in the world.

>>148166863
rosinant's shitty-shitty fruit

I don't get people sperging about Luffy needing someone else's help to deafeat enemies. Sure it's pretty enthralling for the hero to stand up for and only for himself and whatnot, but I'm perfectly fine with 2 or more v1 fights, if anything it multiplies the possibilities for tactics and combinations.

>>148166741

Hawkeyes can hold his own 1v1 against anyone in the series

>>148166863
>become a jacket that Shanks likes
>stab him in the back
broken as fuck.

>>148166777

You are dumb or what. He can control biscuits the same way Doflamingo control his strings. He sent biscuits soldiers fight for him and he could send a giant Hydra made of biscuits (Magellan style) if he wanted to.

>>148166944
This is true and it will be a big event when Shiryuu kills him.

>>148166944
And you are basing this on absolutely nothing
Kaido would destroy him

>>148166408
We all know that Buggy's DF is shit tier

>>148166715
Ahh, I see. That's fair enough. My knowledge of English phrases are still bad. I knew what "Tread water" meant but my brain just interpreted it as something else today. My bad.

>>148166741
I guarantee you Weevil is stronger than any single Admiral.
Kizaru already commented on it. Yes multiple admirals could take him down.

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>>148166461

Man, kaido looks nothing like his first appearance.
Literally a template face.

>>148166913

> Implying Doflamingo can damage Cracker's biscuits coated with a stronger haki

> Implying he has more range than Cracker.

>Sanji's refusal to hit females stems from Zeff
Are anti-Sanjifags epic BTFO now?

>>148167055
Probably basing it on him sparing with Shanks a billion years ago just like every Mihawkfag.

>>148167003
Pure delusional, Cracker is a one-trick pony and now you're trying to make up excuses for why he couldn't take out Nami and the Homies in 11 hours even though supposedly Luffy ran away.

>>148167100
He may have more brute strenght but that means nothing, he wouldn't be able to defeat a single one of them

>>148167078
>Cannot be cut by the #1 swordsman in the world as a passive ability.
>can also dodge blunt attacks with it.
>Can have the appearance of true flight.

Whether you like it or not after Jinbei was too slow to flee from Akainu while carrying Luffy and mortally wounded, it was Buggy using Bara Bara that was able to pick both Luffy and Jinbei up and fly them to safety while taking barely damage from Akainu repeatedly attempting to attack him.

And Akainu generally wasn't missing in his attempts other than against Buggy. He has good accuracy in his strikes, having melted a yonko's face off with one, but Buggy got away.

>>148167079
Nah, that's not your fault, it was ambiguously phrased. Your interpretation was perfectly fair.

>>148167183
>Are anti-Sanjifags epic BTFO now?
they always have been.

>>148167122
>a stronger haki
[citation needed]

>Implying he has more range than Cracker

Did you forget overheat and parasite?

>>148167232
He would OHKO Kuzan is what I am saying.
You are underestimating Weevil because of his appearance.

Kenshin could not have stopped Fuji like his master did for him.

>>148167183
Yes.

>>148167234
Jinbe is a fucking fat ass no wonder he was too slow.

>>148160243
>why fuck is a cat pulling the carriage?
Possible viking/Norse reference? Fuck if I know.

>>148167122
Doflamingo can literally swing from cloud to cloud.

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Anyone else thinks that charlotte is actually evil?

>>148167289
>He would OHKO Kuzan is what I am saying.
why would you think that?

>>148165235
>It was completely forgotten how Gear 2nd decreased his life expectancy
No, now its just assumed. Its assumed that that is still happening when he does it.
>Gear 4th
You mean gear third, and you are correct there, he somehow found a way to get rid of the negative side effects.
Also, gear 4th depletes his haki, due to his energy being depleted. So this begs the question, what happens if a gear 4th luffy is constantly being fed energy in the form of food? It would mean gear 4th would never run out, unless the food runs out. This pretty much tells us how the big mom fight is going to go. Gear 4th Luffy, vs Big Mom, surrounded by food, allowing him to keep up gear 4th forever or at least until Big Mom is defeated.

>>148167055
>>148167197

Probably because the he, the world at large, and shanks himself think that hawkeyes is equal or near equal to shanks

>>148167289
>He would OHKO Kuzan is what I am saying.

We have no knowledge of his fighting prowess aside from taking out someunknown captains that worked for Whitebeard. How do you jump to such conclusions?

>>148167417
Because he has an explosive type ability and it's capable of killing Whitebeard's commanders without Weevil ever losing and because Weevil is shown with no scratches on him and because Kizaru directly called him strong.

>>148167122
Regular Kong Gun > haki-coated Honey Pretzel sword attack and broke Cracker's original hard biscuit clone in to pieces.

Thousand Arrows or God Thread would break that first clone and force Cracker into the open where is at huge disadvantage when even Diamond Jozu and his ultimate diamond defense got immobilized.

>>148167385

Yep, remove all charlottes

>>148167289
not the OP but

I'm not saying Weevil is that strong, just that we don't have confirmation. Pretty much any upper tier character can be some no-name Whitebeard commanders. It's not really that impressive of a feat.

I still think Weevil being reminiscent of WB's strength is some Hogback/Moriah doing. He probably stole WB's shadow and put it into Hogback's experiment.

>>148167465
Not true. Kizaru stated that Weevil was strong.
And it was left ambiguous, but it was implied that Weevil destroyed entire nations just by fighting.

Stop understimating him. He may come the closest of anyone in a long time to killing Luffy.

>>148167474
So he has brute strenght and he killed some no name commanders, big fucking deal. Much stronger than a guy that fought for days with Akainu, indeed

>>148167221

Still dumb as fuck, why would i need to find excuses for that? It is confimed that Doflamingo could've beaten Nami and the forest while fighting Luffy?

>>148167504
If beating Cracker is an impressive feat than actually killing Whitebeard commanders back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back without interference despite Whitebeard having many friends in the world is quite the fucking feat.

>>148167524

Luffy and Weevil will bond over slapping the shit out of blackbeard.
Nami or robin will probably deal with weevil's mom, while weevil himself is naive.

>>148167489

He din't even hit Pretzel with the attack.

>>148163921
ROGER, IS THAT YOU?!

>>148167524
>Kizaru stated that Weevil was strong.

How does that translate to "can OHKO Kuzan"? I never said he wasn't strong but to say he could curbstomp one of the strongest people in One Piece just because Kizaru recognizes his strength is batshit insane.

>>148163921
Nami will marry the prince.

>>148167588
Weevil is the next nakama for the strawhats after Jinbei and is who Oda means when he says back to back nakama. Not Caesar. Not Carrot.

Once Weevil sees through his mother's lies he has nowhere to go but the Strawhats. He even hates Blackbeard. And no, you can't defeat Weevil with sea salt.

Usopp and Weevil will be a team ongoing.

>>148167671
>ignoring all the other indicators of Weevil's strength including the obvious parallel to Kenshin, a manga which Oda was an assistant on.

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>>148167248

>>148160243
Sumo Luffy in want when holy fuck

>>148167745
Still doesn't answer my question. All that is just headcanon.

>>148160243
What if Germa 66 true motive is Big Mom will protect Marco the Phoenix?

>>148167745
Listen, I like Weevil too but what you are saying is just unconceivable, not even Kaido or prime WB would be able to OHKO Kuzan, it's impossible

>>148167504
WB's shadow died with him

>>148167847
What the hell??

>>148167122
Unless you have access to magical chapters that I don't I'm not recalling anywhere that showed Cracker as having more range than that of his sword and his land-bound biscuit soldiers. You can shitpost all you want but Cracker doesn't have the range to deal with Doffy if he takes to the skies.

And since when does Doffy have to pierce the armor to win, or not have the ability to do so for that matter? A single Gear 4 attack smashes either a shield or a complete soldier, right? Then Doffy might very well be able to slash or smash them using his strings. He only failed to hurt Luffy in Gear 4, that only says something about Luffy's Gear 4 defense being superior to Doffy's offense, not about Luffy's Gear 4 offense being superior to Doffy's Gear 4 offense.

And let's just say for the sake of argument that he can't break through the biscuits. Fine, then he uses his strings to bind a biscuit soldier down. Nothing short of Luffy's transformation to Gear 4 or the King Kong Gun has thus far broken the strings, not even Zoro or Fujitora going at the strings with haki on their swords, a level of power that I'm doubting Cracker can muster even with a non-biscuit copy version of his sword. So then Cracker's biscuit soldier with him inside is tied up. The soldier can't break the strings and even though they can't hurt cracker he can't escape either - even if he turns his soldier back to crumbs the strings are in the way for him. Then Doffy can just throw him into the ocean or whatever and win.

Oh, and no, the soldiers can't just outrun the strings. The soldiers have shown no amazing speed whatsoever and we've already gone over that blocking (which they could do in time given Cracker's reaction time against Gear 4 Luffy) won't do them any good.

So, how does Cracker win? Because I'm not seeing it.

>>148167863

With a well placed hit to the head they probably can, but kizaru is fucking untouchable unless he chooses to get touched.

>>148167818
Your question was nonsensical as it's already answered in previous posts.

Weevil is known to be strong because he destroys nations by fighting, he parallels Fuji from Kenshin (directly), he full kills yonko commanders with brute force, he's made a Shichibukai by the WG which now wants to emasculate the Marine (shown on panel) and called 'that man' by the fuckin Gorosei. Kizaru pointing out he is strong is pointless unless it's a message from Oda that he is strong compared to an Admiral.

I'm sorry if this offends you but it's correct.

>>148162672
Doffy is the lowest of admiral level. he would most likely lose against any of them, but would put up a very good fight.

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>>148167847
wat

>>148167847
>>148167891
What if you felt the pain of Sabo and Isshou's victory?

>>148168013
absolutely madman

>>148167863
Prime WB definitely could OHKO a Kuzan with one leg.

If you can break his ice you can break Kuzan. Weevil easily can.

>>148163740
Luffy IS a badass, but not that tryhard edgy type. Zolo is closer to be edgy than Luffy, but he still isn't.

>>148168042
Oh shit, I remember having saved this gif like 5 years or something ago. Huh.

>>148168013
>Your question was nonsensical as it's already answered in previous posts.

Those posts didn't answer it in the slightest. Do you even know what OHKO means? That means it would take a singular attack to kill or incapacitate an opponent. None of the shit you listed explains in the slightest why this is a foregone conclusion in a fight against Kuzan.

>>148168135
Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say, except I didn't want to use the edgy meme. I don't know if you could actually tell what I was trying to say but thank you.

>>148164190
Honestly would YOU guys give a shit if you were literal lightmen?

>>148166741
Boa hancock accepted the title of shichibukai because she was terrified of the might of the government.

She stopped being afraid, even of admiral retaliation, and only currently keeps her title to keep the other amazons safe.

Kuma is strong as fuck, nothing more needs to be said.

Mihawk is mihawk.

>>148168212
>Weevil throws a country destroying punch at Kuzan.
>Kuzan tries to block with his strongest ice and haki.
>Kuzan is on the ground nearly dead.

>>148163595
Where were you when Kaido reveal?

>>148160243
>why fuck is a cat pulling the carriage
Because it'd look really stupid if it was pushing the carriage.

>>148163595
That's the final form of Gear 4.

>>148168303
>country destroying punch

Please post the panel of this magnificent punch.

>>148167055
Because Mihawk is the strongest user of the most common weapon in the entire world. That alone takes him pretty high.

Then other users of said weapons are Yonkos or high ranking pirates. Which means he's stronger than a Yonko.

It's that easy. The guy is probably the strongest man in the world since Whitebeard died and Kaido is not a mortal man.

>>148168113
no you can't OHKO Kuzan, he's not a fucking Bellamy, he's an expert fighter that could hold his own against anyone
Unless you are talking about a Kuzan tied up with seastone who can't move a finger vs a well placed, full strenght hit by prime WB to the head, that's probable
But a free Kuzan, prepared to fight and without restrictions? No way he would go down like that

>>148164191
>meme character
>only supernova that could solo-fight a pacifista pre-ts
kek'd

>>148168013
It's never shown that he did all that with brute force. He's strong, but those new world captains were going toe to toe with vice admirals at best, which people like Doflamingo were doing with ease as early as post-Skypiea. Hancock also did this later on. This doesn't make Weevil any stronger than them and certainly not at the level you claim him to be at.

He never destroyed nations, they were towns. Entirely different scale.

I'm not seeing the parallel and that alone is no grounds for inferring his strength.

He hasn't fought any Yonko commanders yet, only new world pirates allied with Whitebeard, who are as mentioned above not at Yonko commander level in general.

That he wants to take down the marines means nothing, random prisoners from Level 6 of impel down wanted to kill Whitebeard and most of them are dead now and the few survivors are under Blackbeard, who himself only beat Whitebeard because he was injured beyond belief and still only won by sheer luck.

The Gorosei know who he is, so what. The same thing can be said of many people, including Luffy for example.

Kizaru called the supernova's back in Sabaody 'scary strong' too. He's just a sarcastic asshole and such a statement barely means anything from him.

I'm sorry if this offends you but you're retarded.

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>all this asspain cause Nami made rain
Luffy still had to doge crackers real body and fight. You people complain about anything

>>148168487
weevil can OHKO any admiral

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>>148168487
Could prime Whitebeard OHKO Kuzan?
I think he could.

Still waiting to see Jinbei lookin like a damn nugget

>>148168454
Mihawk fanboys are the most delusional people in these threads I swear
Do you honestly believe that? He might be a better swordsman than Shanks but there's no way he's stronger than him, he also isn't stronger than Blackbeard, Big Mom, Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru or any admiral by that matter

>>148168586
Without Nami he wouldn't have Ben able to eat.
No eating means no infinite energy.
No energy means he would've gotten tired and fucked by cracker after g4 ran out

>>148168653
>He might be a better swordsman than Shanks
>there's no way he's stronger than him

Pick one.

>>148168593
no he can't that's just your headcanon

>>148168614
a tied up Kuzan that can pose no resistance? sure

>>148168712
>swordsmanship is the only way of fighting in one piece
go back to your bleach thread

>>148168714
No a full powered one.
Similarly, Blackbeard could one shot Kuzan too. It's interesting if you think Prime Whitebeard couldn't.

But yea, Blackbeard can basically tie Kuzan up (remove his DF) and then quake him. And it's already shown on panel that it takes the combined haki of ALL admirals to so much as deflect the Quake ability. That gives a nice idea how hard it hits.

>>148168614
How strong is Weevil anyway? He is like the Buu of One Piece so he should be a powerhouse.

>>148168653
>Zoro's endgame
>Not stronger than the admirals

>>148168712
>Cabaji is better at riding a unicycle than Zoro
>There's no way he's stronger than him

Pick one.

>>148168796
What makes you think that Kuzan would just stay still and let himself get punched?

Why didn't Luffy have that 10 minutes where he can't do shit after using Gear 4th against Cracker the first time? I mean I guess we're meant to believe he was just eating the biscuit soldiers, but on Dressrosa he was barely even able to move after using Gear 4th.

>>148165235
In regard of luffy's life expectancy remember: Oda likes to foreshadow

>>148168767
>Strongest swordsman in the world
>Weaker than other swordsmen

What the fuck does that even have to do with laundry?

>>148164576
>11 hours vs 40 minutes
11 hours means that he did 'put up more of a fight'

>>148168821
>the government's strongest weapons
>not stronger than a fucking shichibukai

>>148168817
Strong enough to bring fear back into the readers in one of Luffy's fights.

Strong enough to make Rokuogan look like nothing.

>>148168862
Oda a hack writer that's why

>>148168902
there's no point in the manga where it says or shows that the sword is Shank's main weapon

>>148168861
It's true Kuzan might be able to run away. He wouldn't come back if he did though.

>>148168862
Hes used to it now so its not a problem

Ya'll complaining but at least oda does fights better than ishida for TG

>>148168902
Shank's whole crew also carries guns. It stands to reason he has one too.

>>148168824
Does Zoro fight with a unicycle? Does he consider himself the strongest unicycle fighter in the world?

You some kind of retard?

>>148168586
People are too accustomed to garbage shounen manga where the MC is literally god and can 1v1 everyone
Here >>148168680 a clear example

>>148165692
>implying Luffy was more tired when he faced Cracker than when he faced Doffy
what?

>>148169058
Regardless of if Cabaji considers himself to be the strongest fighting unicyclist in the one piece canon, he most likely is.

>>148165776
I'd say 780 tops

>>148169131
That's not what I implied at all. I said that Doflamingo was more tired when he fought Luffy than Cracker was when he fought Luffy.

>>148168982
Aside from the fact that he fought whitebeard and Akainu with it? Or that he is said to have been Mihawk's rival for the title years ago? That he was using one on Roger's ship? Or that he is seen carrying a sword all the time?

You can keep splitting hairs in half but the fact is red hair's primarily weapon is shown to be the sword and that means Mihawk is stronger.

>>148169213
It's also stated that their score is "unsettled" which means tied.

In no way does this mean Mihawk is weak. I imagine him appearing to save Shanks if Shanks is ever about to die. Most likely though it'd be against Blackbeard and his crew so Mihawk would lose too.

>>148169184
>>148165776
Between 600-700 mil seems right. Maybe 750 tops.

I'm also interested in what Croc's real bounty would be since he got frozen really early.

>>148169163
Is your point that Mihawk and everyone else upholding his reputation is a liar?

>>148169058
Are you just pretending to not get the point? Which one of the two is stronger and which one of the two is better at a specific fighting discipline aren't necessarily the same. Lucci is a much better martial artist than Luffy is but he still lost because there's more to hand to hand combat than just martial arts. Similarly Mihawk isn't necessarily stronger than Shanks just because he's better at swinging his sword around.

>>148169213
Just because Shanks carries a sword it doesn't mean that's his main weapon
WB always had his spear but he barely used it, BB has three pistols but he never used them, Ace also had a pistol and he also never used it, Fujitora has his sword but it's not his main weapon, Sabo has that tube but his main fighting style is barehanded
Stop being so narrowminded m8

>>148169352
>WB always had his spear but he barely used it, BB has three pistols but he never used them
SPEE

>>148169314
Absolutely not, I wasn't that poster, I was just making the point that Cabaji is the strongest unicyclist, but a weak fighter overall.

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, even if he is tied with Shanks, Shanks is missing an arm. No matter what this is a disadvantage I don't give a fuck if Oda said it wasn't.

Mihawk is also obviously a very strong fighter and not just some guy with a title. He is end game material and like I said will most likely end up in the Shanks vs Blackbeard fight.

>>148169213
>he is said to have been Mihawk's rival for the title years ago?
don't they just say that they used to have some duels? where is it stated that it was for that title?

>>148168974
XDDDD

>>148169352
>BB has three pistols but he never used them

I think the only time he's used them is when his crew took out Whitebeard. But yeah, they're mostly a design thing carried over from the historical Blackbeard being known to carry as many as 6 pistols on him.

>>148169301
I believe Mihawk and Shanks dying predictions are likely to be true as well but let's face it, Mihawk decided against trying to kill Shanks because he knew he had gotten weaker from losing one arm.

Shanks didn't dispute Mihawk's new claim. If he had then people wouldn't call Mihawk the strongest swordsman. They would even call Mihawk a weakling for running away from the duel.

>>148165183
But Mashima has nailed the art of drawing appealing female anatomy to a fucking T.

>>148169352
I agree with your point but there are so many things wrong with what you said that I just had to respond.

Whitebeard's weapon is a type of Polearm, specifically a Bisento. It only resembles a spear by the 'piece of metal on top of stick' metric.

Blackbeard used his pistol against Whitebeard.

Fujitora constantly uses his sword, he did it in his brief clash with Doflamingo, he used it against Zoro, he used it against Luffy, he used it while pushing the birdcage, he used it against Sabo...

You're correct about Ace and Sabo, Blackbeard's one usage of his pistol is rare enough that it's neglegible and I'll take the 'spear' thing as you just not being able to come up with the right word at that time but saying that Fujitora doesn't use his sword as his main weapon is just bonkers.

>>148169428
For what other reason would they have a personal duel?
Usually normal fights aren't referred to as a duels in One Piece. This implies a tight rivalry and planned fight.

>>148169059
I'm not complaining about him fighting 2v 1 I'm totally fine with that.
I'm complaining about people thinking he could've won without Nami

>>148168862
Maybe eating food while in G4 negates the resistance drawback. And/or he can switch G4 off before exhaustion to avoid it
This fight was diferent than the one with Doffy, so something like this is posible

>>148169352
>Just because Shanks carries a sword it doesn't mean that's his main weapon
No but he always use it when he is prepared to fight, also what other fight style he has? he has 1 arm and no DF, unless he fights like Sanji there is no other meaning to his sword

>>148169480
I think you should very fairly consider that the first thing Shanks did when he saw Mihawk in person was offer a duel. So I can't agree with this idea that Shanks refuses to duel Mihawk, since it's disproven in canon.

But that said Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks, he has sword technique and grace down better. Shanks is an improvised attacker combat genius who can compare himself to the #1 swordsman in the entire world even though he uses (most likely) just a normal unnamed sword and only has 1 arm.

Mihawk is better with swords but Shanks would kill Mihawk in a real fight because he's an improvised attack genius.

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So how much will Luffy's bounty jump to at the end of this arc

So far
>invade big moms territory
>beat cracker

>>148167112
He is just moustache-less

>>148169599
Never heard of two friends having a friendly duel just for fun?

>>148169640
Both things that the world government currently doesn't know about, so maybe his bounty won't change at all just like after Skypiea.

>>148169640
He will defeat big mam and become a Yonkou.

>>148166846
Well actually one of Luffy's greatest properties is he doesn't take as much direct damage from blunt attacks. His rubber properties let him endure things a lot of people couldn't. Blackbeard's fruit strips him of this and deals him the direct damage he's not used to, so he's just as vulnerable as those Logia users.

Also keep in mind we've only ever seen Logia users, as you've said, raping everything without resistance. This is the New World where everybody has Haki and you have to rely more on just cheap automatic immunity. Enel was used to trampling everyone, but Admirals in the New World have to be aware that they have to actually fight to survive.

>>148168862
It's not like he was issue when he failed to beat some of the animals with gear fourth while training. He also did far more on Dressrosa prior to activating gear fourth.

Think about how fatigued Luffy was after using Gear Second on Lucci compared to Blueno.

>>148169598
Fujitora uses the sword as a way to approach his enemy in close combat, but his main weapon is obviously his broken fruit
My bad for the spear tho

>>148169632
>he has sword technique and grace down better
Ultimately it's about who wins in a fight. You're free to use any trick you want as you as you fight with a sword. I think Zoro made that point clear several times.