How come this pretentious garbage is praised this much? Probably

>>148124864
>people talking shit abvout there never being Mushishi threads on /a/
>suddendly obvious bait thread appears
I'm onto you anon.

Pseudo-intellectual garbage like Mushishit attracts avant teens. The writing is below Game of Thrones.

What's pretentious about mushishi?

>>148125144
>Pseudo-intellectual garbage

How ?

>shit happens
>Ginko comes in
>Tell them it's a mushi
>no one listen to him
>more shit happens
>Ginko saves the day (or not)
>ED

>>148125183
It's not cliched shit. God forbid a title try to break from the mold.

>>148124864
Oh boy, you sure are an impressive "guy".

>>148124864
It's more about how villagers react and act. Mushishi is just plot device to show different sides of people. So if you are looking for development of mushishi's character you are in wrong place. It's like bookmof short stories in oppose to a novel.

>>148125225
Pseudo-intelectual is just the insult you use when something doesn't have violence or humor in it, because then you would use edgy and shallow. So all you're left with is calling it pseudo-intelectual, pretentious or hipster if it's not too popular (top 50 on MAL).

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>>148124864
>It's all the same in each episode, he just solves the problem and moves on, nothing more than that

that's the point, is it not? if you throw away all the supernatural elements you're left with guy helping strangers overcome their problems - family affairs, guilt, grief over loss, isolation, harsh rules of nature

that one episode about child who attracts lightning strikes shows this the best, mushi sickness is just a story device to expose a mother who can't bring herself to love her own child. while there are some episodes delving into lore and establishing the world, mushishi is never really about ginko. it's okay to drop it you expected something different

>>148125259
> God forbid a title try to break from the mold.
But it's basically just Hyakki Yakoushou: Historical Edition.

>>148125259
Hyouka is superior to garbage like Mushishi.

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>>148124864
>It's not yet another shonenshit, harem or moeblob formula
>Therefore it's shit
You don't seem to realize that people can enjoy different kinds of fiction.

>>148125225
Sounds sound like self-insert trash to me.

>>148125375
>Pseudo-intelectual is just the insult you use when something doesn't have violence or humor in it, because then you would use edgy and shallow.
About sums it up. They're just buzzwords to make obvious bait look less like shitposting.

>>148124864
You have to be in the mood to enjoy Mushishi. You have to be in a state of mind that would allow you to feel sympathetic or empathetic towards the characters or else it will just appear to be superficial trash.

>>148125518
>superficial trash
Perfect for a 4chan Gold user like yourself, faggot.

>>148125558
So it's not the anime for you if you don't at least connect on some level with any of the characters. Not every anime appeals to everyone. But that does not mean the anime has no value; just that you find no value in it.

I love how people throw out the word pretentious as soon as a series makes them feel even a little dumb for not liking. It's simple as fuck and doesn't even try to be intellectual or 2deep4u. The vast majority enjoy it for the atmosphere more than anything, is nice music and pretty scenery so threatening to you that you have to call it pretentious?

>>148124864

>>148125144

It doesn't try to be deep or complex. It's just a nice comfy collection of short stories about human interaction and relationships that happens to use extra dimensional beings as a plot device.

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>>148124864
>mushishi
Guess you shouldn't watch it then, anon

>>148124864
>Complaining about elitism
>Pseudo-intellectual "Episodic is bad" meme

>>148124864
>>148125144
It's good, but it's not what you like in a show anon, no need to be so childish. You are not the final arbiter on good taste.

>>148124864
It's literally comfy supernatural shit. If you don't like episodic it's not worth watching.

mushishi is chill as fuck desu

>>148124864
Mushishi is terrible. If I wanted to watch something pretentious I'd watch a Tarkovsky film not some random weeb shit written by a fucking woman.

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>didn't know season 2 was out until it was already over and I binged it all

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>>148124864
1/10 bait

The 1 is for me posting. FAGGOT.

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>>148124864
as usual plebs throwing buzzwords around.
do yourself a favor and go back to watching SAO, you tard

>>148124864
fuck off and go watch jojo

>>148125631
>muh atmosphere

Probably the worst excuse used by Mushishit faggots.

>>148127624
Jojo at least is fun and doesn't take itself seriously. Unlike pseudo intellectual trash like Mushishi.

What is it about shows that don't explicitly explain their premises/themes/ideas to the audience that they are seen as pretentious?

>>148127928
cuck

>>148124864
>pretentious

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>>148127928
Many viewers are too stupid to understand anything that doesn't punch you repeatedly in the face with the message. When it's pointed out the show's message is actually aimed at the intelligence level of children, they start defensively shitposting to defend their stupidity.

>>148127870
>I have adhd

>>148124864
>Mushishi
>even remotely pretentious

>>148127928
Calling something pretentious is a defense mechanism when, deep down, you feel too dumb to appreciate something that's very highly regarded. It doesn't matter how simple and grounded it is, if someone is afraid not 'getting' the appeal will make them look like a pleb they will justify themselves by calling it pretentious.

>>148124864
Exist a series where zero people thinks that isn't shit?

>>148124864
Well, you just a retard. And not because you didn't like Mushishi. But because you assumed that if you didn't like something nobody could like it sincerely. You need to understand that your opinion is subjective, not objective.

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>>148124864
Where on earth did you get the impression it's supposed to be pseudo-intellectual?

>>148128284
t. avant teen

>>148128496
Mushishi is shit though.

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>>148124864
>>148125144
>A collection of short stories with supernatural/folklore elements even children can understand is pretentious and pseudo-intellectual

Kill yourself immediately

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>>148124864
>it's bad enough that the storytelling is episodic
what did he mean by this?

>>148124864
lurk for 2 years before posting

>>148129047
>posts pseudo intellectual trash like ergo proxy

Kill yourself immediately

>>148125144
Except you failed to realize that it does't try to be 'intellectual' or 'smart', just as game of thrones, which is a rather odd comparison to make as well.
Pseudo-intellectual doesn't really mean anything either. If anything, it makes you sound like a tool.

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>>148124948
Trolling up a conversation.
It's the way 80% of threads are started on /a/ nowadays.

>>148129248
that was the point, faggot.

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>>148129248
You probably should look up what pseudo-intellectual actually means.

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>>148129382
haha what an idiot, it obviously means "I don't like it" right?

>>148124864
(You)

>>148129382
Ergo Proxy is actually pseudo-intellectual, though.

>>148124864
It's very overrated by reddit kids. The MC is also a Gary Stu and it's basically on the same level as Harry Potter.

jesus christ this thread fucking sucks

>>148129485
make your own then!

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>this thread

I'm glad that more people are starting to realize just how much of a fucking hack Urushibara actually is.

>>148129485
Well, Mushishi fucking sucks.

>>148129602
you are objectively wrong

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>>148125429
Good post. People call Hyouka boring all the time but it's nowhere near as bad as Mushishi in that regard.
>>148129320
/a/ was always like that you nostalgia faggot.

>consistent art
>cool music
>art direction on point with the tone of the show
Yeah, this is pretentious artsy garbage, hahaha.

>>148129473
>It's very overrated by reddit kids.
I bet you don't know how much /a/ loved Kino, Aria or Mushishi back in the day.
>The MC is also a Gary Stu
Maybe learn what a Mary Sue is or even watch the series before spouting nonsense such as this.

>>148129895
/a/ still loves those, only newfags like that other anon don't know that

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>>148124864
It isn't the masterpiece True Tears was

>>148129847
>People call Hyouka boring all the time but it's nowhere near as bad as Mushishi in that regard.
The thing is Mushishi is actually very laid back. It rarely tries to be exciting. Few episodes actually have any thrilling action and it's usually related to an imminent life or death situation. Even so, dramatic life changing events are not blown out of proportion.
Hyouka, on the other hand, blows up boring developments through music, 'special animation' and its cast acting super serious with any little thing related to their 'mysteries', as if finding out who stole a pencil is supposed to be awe-inspiring. If anything, it just shows how boring life must be when you live outside of a big city, or how easy a life those kids have if they can devote so much to stupid hobbies. It's only good at portraying the innocence of young kids, able to be marveled at retarded shit thanks to the power of imagination, but even so it feels too forced thanks to the Kyoani treatment.

>>148124864
Weebs use Mushishi as some sort of paragon of good taste for anything anime/manga related. They are uneducated and they don't realize that liking this trashy medium already makes them a lost cause.

>>148130271
i bet you'd hate mushishi if it was produced by kyoani you biased cunt

>>148130501
to be fair, it would probably have the same things that anon sees as problems.

Mushishi is not overtly attempting to be intellectual but it secretly is. You can tell it's for jaded people who are tired of "generic" regular anime and want to be artsy and different.

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>>148129134
He means episodic stuff is bad.

>>148130243
>2008
no fucking way

>>148130501
A big part of why I liked Mushishi was due to the art direction and the setting. I don't think Kyoani could fit the manga as well. For the longest of times, they've been producing stuff set in modern times, located in an urban place (mostly cities), following the life events of children and teenagers.
It would depend on the end product, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

>>148130768
>Mushishi is not overtly attempting to be intellectual but it secretly is.
It can be enjoyed on the superficial level as well as on a deeper interpretation.
>You can tell it's for jaded people who are tired of "generic" regular anime and want to be artsy and different.
It's called seinen anime, some of which don't need to be guro or sexual to actually be intended for adults. That whole thing about being artsy and different is just your insecurities showing. Why do kids have to project this much when they face a different opinion?

>>148131048
I'm 32.

I still play JRPGs.

>>148131048
if anything this thread is proof that mushishi faggots reek of insecurity. they can't even deal with shitposting 101.

There's always been crap. The thing about crap back in the day (for me at least) was that it was crap for reasons like "bad execution", "bad direction", "failed potential", etc. I could shrug my shoulders at it, because even if the end product was bad, there was usually still something in the concepts/themes/spirit of the shows that I still might have found appealing.

The crap being made today though? It makes my skin crawl. The rampant idol fandom, the herbivore male culture/metro-sexualization of guys, the teen drama, the try-hard attempts at maturity --- this puerile shallowness that defines the modern otaku era. A bad show in the 90's might make me yawn and shut off the TV. A bad show nowadays? The first episode of Tokyo Ghoul made me want to hurl a brick at my monitor.

So I feel the industry (or at least the otaku fandom) is spiritually dying, despite more shows being made than ever.

You really notice it in the characterization and how shows handle or rather regularly mishandle issues and how the resolution seems to be self serving towards some form of commercialism or what the production committee wants to promote as opposed to practical, dramatically interesting or just plain plausible. I also don't really like how a lot of popular anime has been hijacked by interest groups and sometimes literally politics like is the case of the deal between the JSDF and certain shows to promote enlistment in the army as this great leap forward. Made shows like GATE and Haifuri especially for example feel like blatant LDP/JSDF recruitment propaganda.

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>>148131149
Well, I'm only 1 year younger than you, so I guess I used my time differently, to learn about different mediums and how to think properly. I'd never dream of spouting nonsense like "you do X because you want to feel like you are Y". It's a very reactionary thought that only insecure teens should have.

>>148131208
What? This is fun to me, mate.

>>148131378
I didn't really get any kind of propoganda vibe from Haifuri.

and what does it really matter how "bad" or "good" the low end of anime is? if the good stuff is still good I'd rather just stick with that, 90s 2000's or today

>>148131421
I enjoy making generalizations about large swaths of humans though. I can't imagine being without it. It's fun and the only way to avoid the low key, instance-based nature of everyday life.

You still snuck in the "lol kids projecting" nip so you aren't 100% mature yourself.

You shitposters should start shitposting about Aria and YKK next.

>>148131631
Aria does have flaws. It's nice but much of the time it feels like they're devoid of clever dialogue about a subject and just scratch along the surface layer, pepper in the occasional Embarassingremarksaren'tallowed! and Ara ara and call it a day. Really phoned in. It's sad because there was more potential than that in some of the eps to have the characters behave more like real people

>>148131631
Aria and YKK at least has some progression with its characters while mushishi is all about some random people that we might never see again.

>>148131966
character development isn't required for a good series

>>148132038
Are you sure?

>>148132114
Do you require character development on your town witch doctor?

>>148132114
not 100% but I'm pretty sure there are some good series with no development of the characters.

>>148131732
>eps
Animefags die

>>148132140
Talking main characters here

>>148132187
>He read a manga of nothing but pictures of ara ara

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>>148130271
>able to be marveled at retarded shit thanks to the power of imagination,

It sounds like you've lost your way anon.

>>148124864
I like fairy tales. It's always the same kind of plot with the happy (or not) end and the magical elements, and that's what Mushishi is. I never got enough of the kind of forest/element creatures Ghibli animated, so I immensely enjoy this show, like I also enjoy any show about japanese traditional ghosts and monsters.
I imagine you'd be the kind of people calling series like Gegege no Kitaro 'shit'. Series where each episodes seems like to happen in a dream or a nightmare and the world the author develops isn't the Hero's one, but a 'parallel' one. Here each episode is like one drop falling at a time, till you realize you have a whole unexplored ocean in front of you.
I hope I'll see much, much more.
The fact that it is beautifully made is indeed a nice bonus here.
But I don't see why you would call fairy tale writers 'pretentious' authors. Probably because you like that word and it easily triggers people?

>>148124864

Anon people like it because it's basically like a monster of the week layout. it's pleasing to look at, the music is good, and it's generally a good comfy anime.

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entertainment comes in many forms.

mushi-shi was my jam when i was depressed and untreated. sometimes you need something quiet and slow. i still watch the third episode every once in a while when i'm feeling anxious. there isnt much anime that can bring me calm.

>>148125144
>the writing is below game of thrones

11/10 bait my fucking sides

>>148132404
>watched mushishi
>expected something comfy
>some guy killed himself in the second episode because of the grief

i think what i like the most about mushishi is how zen it is. it reminds me of ozu's films in how it doesn't try to anything more than what it is.

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Don't open it!

>>148132750
omg why.

>>148132605
Right? It's full of tragedy and creepy shit and far too many dead bodies being reanimated by mushi to be genuinely comfy.

>>148132912
it's comfy in a similar way to like bartender, there should be another word for that

>>148124864
prove you can't teach class

>>148133005
Contemplative?

It's like hiking on a cold-but-not-too-cold day. Maybe relaxing or meditative, but not really "comfy."

>>148133168
maybe introspective

>>148131598
It's not a maturity thing, though. Kids saying stuff like Mushishi is pretentious have clearly never heard of kwaidan or folk tales nor have they ventured outside of their battle harems.

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Let the thinly veiled troll thread 404.

Ignore it, or sage it at worst. Excessive reaction will just bring OP back again and again with similar low-quality angry nitpicks about some other show /a/ tends to manage some kind of positive consensus on.

>>148133380
Everyone has heard of folk tales. Mushishi is using that theme, true, but it's using it in a way that is heavily unlike a stereotypical execution of it.

>>148125460
So far, aside from obvious trollpost, some people on /a/ dont understand the concept on Iyashikei, is more calm and mellow that your avarage SoL.

I hate anons that shit on Mushishi, or any Iyashikei for that matter, just because they dont like it. one person cant like a horror or romance genre for whatever reason, but that doesnt mean there isnt merit and good works on those genres.

>>148125390
Actually one of the main focus of mushishi, is the human factor. Mushis enter in contact with humans and whatever is the effect they have on them, this cause a problem, and how they deal with it is usually the focus of the story.

Ginko serves as the one that give solution and help to this supernatural phenome but cant fix the social problems this has caused or like in the case of the mother that cant love his child, just increase and expose a problem that was already there.

>>148125469
>self-insert trash

I bet you are the type that loves harems and isekai shit. if you are calling Mushishi self insert trash.

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>>148125750

>>148128424
I can understand why someone will find mushishi boring, is really calm and doesnt have any strong drama or action, and the episodic nature of the show doenst allow for somekind of main plot through the serie. But calling it pretentious is clearly the sign of someone that is angry on his own stupity for not understanding the type of show it is, and make this trollthreads in a attempt to find other idiots like him.

>>148130810
Then he hates almost all comedic centric shows and 90% of western cartoons.

>>148125660
>comfy

wow, that is the key to a really shitty argument right there.

Get off the net faggot

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>>148134794
People can watch things to relax.

>>148134726
Of course. That's why a lot of people got into anime in the past: western cartoons were too episodic and they longed for coherent storylines

>>148130501
I like everything KyoAni shits out, but I can agree with his points.

>comfy
>iyashikei
I find these descriptions hard to accept considering how much the mushi are like Lovecraftian horrors. Hidamari is comfy, Aria is iyashikei, but Mushishi is often outright disturbing.

>>148130271
>my subjective opinions are of value to anyone other than myself
>I will enlighten these idiots on /a/ with my superior intelligence and taste in moving pictures

No one cares, so stop trying to be self-important about having a contrarian opinion: You're never going to fit in.

>>148135539
not him but
That's a very good argument against the very concept of anyone posting on 4chan ever

>>148135488
The mushi can be scary or harmful, but they're just nature. Like a typhoon, or a virus, or a flower. The show is about about accepting nature for what it is. You can fear nature, exploit it, tame it, block it out, but at the end of the day nature isn't really good or evil. And it's each of our responsibility to decide how we place it in our lives. Probably the best approach is be open minded and respectful, hence why Ginko lives his life the way he does.

If you have a naturalist bent to you, it's easy to see why Ginko's life could be admirable or desirable. It wouldn't be all rainbows and sunshine, but you'd be close to something peaceful.

>>148134794
Don't you want to chill out sometimes? Shows like this are good for that stuff

posted six hours ago and still getting replies

>>148134978
That's why I got into fighting shounen I was fourteen, nigger, doesn't mean I maintain that opinion nowadays.

>>148124864
>never like the genre of this show
>better watch it
>its shit
then why the fuck would you watch a show that never fits your taste? heck why the fuck are you making threads like this?

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>>148125353
>>148125390
>>148125518
>>148125713
>>148128794
>>148132354
>replying seriously to obvious bait

>>148138192
that's the real trick, and you fell for it