Technical question because i am curious. What makes anime ''anime''?

>>148111065
>And where were you twenty years ago? Ten years ago? Where were you when I was new? When I was one of those innocent young maidens you always come to? How dare you! How dare you come to me now, when I am this!
Dat fucking scene, dat fucking scene, man.

>>148111162
It's a pretty fucking great movie altogether, even though the animation is woobly as fuck.

Also a bunch of western cartoons were animated by Japanese studios, that doesn't make them anime.

You have to delineate between countries. Thundercats was made by a Japanese studio but you wouldn't call that anime because it was produced, written, and broadcast in the United States. The tricky part is when an American production with a Japanese studio dubs the cartoon for the Japanese audience.

Batman: The Animated Series is canonically anime

>>148111226
Does that make Harley Quinn a nip?

I knew you were the last.

Outsourced animation doesn't make stuff anime, or it would mean most anime are actually Korean.

What's the point of categorizing?

>>148111065
I don't know if it's anime, but it's my favorite movie, and I can practically quote it from beginning to end.

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All he wanted was to be happy.

>>148111240
Yeah, best waifu.

>>148111267
Koreans are too expensive these days, anime would be vietnamese.
In the future, half of the credits could be done by just one "Nguyen"

>>148111162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHvWmJREROY

>>148111267
>>148111226
What if its Marvel shit that gets made by nips for nips - Especially for their market?

Like the last Marvel show that had a TMR Opening

>>148111295
In the distance hear her laughter
It's the Last Unicorn

>>148111334
We had some "good" threads about that Avengers disk wars anime when it came out.

>>148111295
>Christoper Lee died before he can reprise the role of King Haggard in the live-action adaptation
It hurts to fucking live.

>>148111327
That soundtrack though.

>>148111334
I would consider that anime. It's a fuzzy line, though.

>>148111373
I just find it awesome that he voiced both the English and the German versions of Haggard.

>>148111373
>Live action adaptation
I'm sorry, what?

>>148111065
I want to ____ that unicorn.

>>148111065
Produced and animated in Japan probably. RWBY has the distinct anime style but it's shit on here for good reason of course and it is not allowed to be discussed because it is American. Same with Avatar, although that one looks more American than Japanese.
>>148111373
>ywn be as cool as Sir Christopher Lee
>ywn correct a director on the sound a man makes when stabbed

>>148111481
imprison

>>148111521
Haggard pls.

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>>148111521
Don't do that to okaa-sama.

>>148111065
Smilar case, most RBA stuff ("Around the World with Willy Fog", "The World of David the Gnome"). Spanish writters and producers, Japanese animators.
Before that, we had Vickye the Viking (German case), Ulysses 31 (French case) and many, many more.
Hey, even pre-Ghibli Miyazaki's Sherlock Holmes (English speakers might knowk it as "Sherlock Hound") was done by Italian RAI.
Personally, I consider them all to be BOTH things. Both European cartoons AND anime. Because they actually are.

>>148111295
>Be unhappy king
>nothing makes me happy
>hear that Unicorns make people happy
>imprison some to look at them all day
>still not happy
>decide to imprison them all just to make sure
>only one is missing and that one ends up setting them all free again
>die because the Unicorns escape creates an earthquake that destroys my castle and burries me under it

Poor Haggard
He will never know if having all Unicorns truly makes you happy.

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>he still grasps to cultural or national distinctions in a globalized world

pathetic! You are no match for my powers.

>>148111678
Sounds like even just one unicorn can make you dead. Unicorns originally were dangerous creatures you wouldn't want to meet in the forest anyway.

>>148111678
But watching them trying to escape all the time did make him happy.
The more were trapped and tried to escape, the more happy he was.

>>148111761
He was kind of a dick wasn't he?

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>>148111065
Things that were just animated in Japan aren't anime. If that were the case, things like the Hobbit series, Inspector Gadget, or other things animated by Tokyo Movie Shinsha would count as anime.

I'll admit the definition has become squishy (Japanese source? No, tons of western shit are made into anime. Animated in Japan? No, a lot of anime are often mostly animated by Koreans), but anime is still more or less cartoons that were originally made by Japanese for Japanese.

>>148111327
>I forgive you
Bitch, she was obligated to you to do shit.
Great scene though

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>>148111699
So we meet again.

>>148111786
Gotta catch'em all.

>>148111065
for this board and related jp market, whatever has japan as its first and main target for judgment of sales

Behold, the greatest musical scene Japan has ever animated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y

>>148111660
A lot of those European/Japanese co-prod had Japanese staff at important creative positions.
That's not the same as subcontracted animation (which isn't only a US --> Japan thing, since it happened between Western and Eastern Europe, and Japan and Korea/South Asia).

>>148111793
It's great how the movie gets full of pathos in points which aren't really related to the main plot (or only left implied). I also like the scene with the harpy and the witch.

>>148111678
>will not keep anything near him that doesn't make him happy
>keeps his the son the prince near him anyway
He was blind. He couldn't appreciate the things that were already there, the things that made him happy were always there. Even if he captured all the unicorns he will become restless with them and become unhappy again.

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>>148111716
>magic beasts that would impale men and impure women to trees
>become fluffy icons for little girls
Oh well, Kelpie are obviously the superior horse monsters anyway.
>captcha: lakes
pottery

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I'd say the most important factor is the target audience. That they don't think their audience is made of children that need to be sheltered from violence and "reality". Even if western stuff tries to initiate anime, they still have that mentality. For example even if Avatar tries to have cool fights, tries to have attractive character designs for women, and tries to have "edgy" characters, they still do that. Noone ever gets hurt, because "think of the children". After the kid sees his first anime, and where people die when they are killed, the sheltering western cartoons try to do just seem insulting.
Besides what they're not allowed to show, there are many things they're not allowed to say. Political correctness everywhere.

And then there's the spirit of anime. I can't really put this into words. The Chinese are trying to get into animation lately with the zombie girl, and now Bloodivores. These are much closer to anime than western cartoons. But you can feel it's not the same. The spirit is missing.

If you want to compare anime with something else, you should look at the series, not the movies. Movies are very similar everywhere (except India). Many anime movies could easily pass as western, and many western stuff, especially the European ones could pass as anime if you ignored their artstyle.

>>148111065
FLCL is the most anime anime out there.

If the jokes are not funny and the ending is unsatisfying, its most likely anime.

Anime (Japanese: アニメ?, [anime])[a] is Japanese hand-drawn or computer animation. The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese, where this term references all animation.

>>148111678
>die because the Unicorns escape creates an earthquake that destroys my castle and burries me under it
Could that happen to the /mlp/ contaiment board?

>>148111065
It needs to have Japanese writers and voice actors to be considered an anime.
If Frozen had Japanese producers and writers and voice actors it would be anime.
ANIMATION STUDIO DOESN'T MATTER!

>>148111991
>Noone ever gets hurt
Sure there isn't any blood, but Combustion Man literally blew himself up, Admiral Zhou was pulled into the ocean and drowned, the one librarian who accompanied the group to the library in the desert was buried alive in sand, there are skeletons of Aang's family in his old temple, and Aang literally died on screen for a few minutes.

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>>148111991
Could that be because Avatar is targeted at children and teenagers and murrican tv channels have pretty rigid standards for that?
Its not like they don't produce gory cartoons in the west, think of Superjail! (which btw is better animated than 99% of anime)

>>148112103
>ANIMATION STUDIO DOESN'T MATTER!

I will let this slide, because I really enjoyed Thunderbolt Fantasy.

>>148111065
If the Writing, Prodecers, and Animators were all done in Japan, by Japs then it's Anime. Then if the thing was done for Jap Audiences.

>>148111065

Every definition is nebulous

>>148111065
>Lot of Unicorns
>Can't team up and fight ONE red bull
No wonder prey animals like deers,horses and bisons are so fucking stupid.

>>148112400
At the end a single Unicorn beat the bull.

Turns out bulls are the biggest betas

>>148112693
the deepest lore

>>148111787
>If that were the case, things like the Hobbit series, Inspector Gadget, or other things animated by Tokyo Movie Shinsha would count as anime.
But that's true. Anything animated by TMS, Mook Animation, or any other Japanese studio for a western production is, by definition, also an anime.

>>148111065
do you believe thundercats, silverhawks and transformers g1 are animu too, anon?

>>148112827
they are technically

>>148112827
Transformers G1 is somewhat close isn't it? It was originally Japanese toys, made into an American franchise, and when they aired the cartoon (that was mostly animated in Japan) they changed a lot of the script in localization.

>>148111065
Back in school I took some psychology classes and we talked about upbringing and parenting and whatnot.
Some faggot started talking about how bad those anime are for children and that they shouldn't even be on television.
Then he went on how awesome Last Unicorn was and that every child should watch it.
I didn't say anything to hide my powerlevel.

>>148113183
>not revealing your powerlevel
sasuga

>>148113031
>freedombots fighting the evil fascistbots that destroyed their home planet and saving the American race
>anime

>>148113249
Whats the difference to 90% of mecha again?

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We don't have a working definition of "anime" that everyone agrees on.

>What can you post on /a/ without any qualms?
Cartoons made in Japan for the Japanese audience in Japanese.
>What do Japanese people call anime
Literally everything that falls under animation
>What will normies recognize as anime
Big eyes, blue hair, and shitty dubs, and probably even stuff like Airbender, Totally spies, etc...

1. Is anime a style?
2. Is anime the country of origin?
3. Is anime a country of origin AND target country/language?
4. Don't think, feel

>>148113298
why can't i post cartoons animated by the japanese though

>>148113249
And yet Megatron is shown to be an extremely tolerant leader that is pulled back by retarded subordinates, and Optimus Prime is more or less stupid who just solves problems by brute force.

>>148113319
I said without qualms.
You can try, but people will bitch at you if you try an Avatar thread.

>>148113364
>avatar
>animated by the japanese

>>148113354
And during the Reagan years even.

>>148113388
Japanese studios have animated scenes in multiple episodes, you turd.

>>148113418
That was for Korra.
Avatar was entirely animated by that one Korean studio.

>>148113434
Actually it was mostly made by Nickelodeons own animation studio.

japan makes listings of anime per season and their sales
stuff like france(?)'s oban don't appear on there

>>148111967
>HAHA, NO ALONE. YOU NEVER COULD HAVE FREED YOURSELF ALONE. I HELD YOU

well she got what she wanted. the harpy will forever remember her his entire immortal life, and thus she has become immortal.

>>148113594
It's too early in the morning to be this drunk.

>>148113412
I don't know if it was intentional or not but it was a pretty "different" way of seeing the cold war. The population of Earth in transformers G1 are essentially brought into a mess that is simply a struggle between foreign invaders. And while autobots generally aim to protect humans, many of them show lack of understanding for humans or even look down on humans.

Not to mention G1 also has a pretty consistent theme of pro-science/engineering and occasional anti-religion throughout.

>>148112131
Of course story deaths happen. They even happen in cartoons that are not wannabe anime. That doesn't really count. You should see the problem too if you have to list story deaths.

The problem is that the evil fire people attack the south pole, and they always come to capture people and put them into prison. Seriously, that's their evil plan. To capture the entire population and drag them away in nets.
The problem is that the earthbender's magic is flying hands so they can capture enemies. Someone getting hurt was never even an option.
The problem is when they attack the north pole and the ground splits, the enemies who were "fighting a war" moments ago suddenly start saving each other.
The problem is that whenever there is a fight that's not a bossfight, you already know there are no stakes. That this is not serious at all and that nothing will happen.

>>148112757
No it's not.

>>148113897
Yes it is.

>>148114699
No it's not.

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>>148111065
>Christopher Lee was so in love with the story that he wanted to one day make his own live action version
>he's dead now

>>148111065
It's a pointless definition game that's even more frustrating as animation becomes more international.

Honestly, the divide annoys me and makes it more difficult to find the good stuff between countries.

>>148114932
Sir Christopher Lee will forever live in our hearts. As long as there will be at least one awesome dude fighting nazis and climbing active volcanoes, love isn't over.

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>She will kill you."
>"No doubt. But she will always remember me, remember that she was once caged up, and that it was I who caged her. There's my bit of immortality for you."

>>148116086
>that part where the unicorn boasts FOR the harpy

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Cartoons are dumb products for little kids and weird manchildren-manbabies.

Not all western animation is a cartoon, MLP is a cartoon, TLU is an Animated feature.

>>148111267

Still Moomin is considered anime? It's a finnish cartoon animated in japan. If you want to call that anime, the jap made spiderman series is also anime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwV3scCgAM

Versus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ho391L89PU

>>148116374

the designs and plot are not Japanese though, Anime has cler and defined standards, you dont see anyone at /a/ talking about that lazy 3d CGI "anime" they have trying to push in the last few yers right?

>>148116444
Now that one is literally 100% anime.
Under a thin cover of children-friendly adventures, 100% weird fetishes and degeneracy

>>148116477
>Under a thin cover of children-friendly adventures, 100% weird fetishes and degeneracy

More like thats a typical french cartoon thing.
But frogs are also the biggest weeaboos in Europe.

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>>148116520
The French make the better anime anyways

>>148116576

That's a toilet paper commercial kemosabee

>>148116723
Then what was I thinking of?
There was a bear and a mouse that wanted to become a dentist, I am sure it was a french animated movie

>>148111065
It's all semantics.

There is no hard and fast line, mostly because "anime" is just an abstract western concept. In Japanese, the Japanese word "anime" is just a shortening of the word "animation," which is a loan word from English, and they just use it to refer to all animated media Japanese or otherwise.

The western concept of "anime," a loan word borrowed back from Japanese, originally referred to just "Japanese animation," which was pretty easy to define because the West had very few examples available to classify at the time. If it had to be imported through some non-mainstream channel, if it was subtitled, it was anime. The point being, that it's more about the place it holds in our culture than anything in particular about the medium itself.

I could make a fair argument for calling any animated media which was mostly worked on by Japanese people and that you'd be embarrassed to show your friends anime.

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>totally spies
>miraculous ladybug
>the illusionist
>lascars
>wakfu/dofus
>the rabbi's cat

how can nippon even compete?

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In Japan, they call everything animated 'anime'. From 3D Pixar stuff to French cartoons to Japanese series. Anime is just a shortened term for animation, like how Drakue is a shortened term for Dragon Quest.

Its people in the west who took it and used it to single out Japanese animation. Which is funny since the term was inspired by France.

>>148111787

Since 95% of all animated things produced in America have some tie to Korea or Japan, we might as well just come up with a new term. Global animation.

>>148117210

By making better shows that influenced half the stuff on your list? Next you're gonna claim Atlantis is better than Laputa.

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>>148117263
>By making better shows that influenced half the stuff on your list?

what, like naruto?

>>148117237
They still distinguish between their anime and foreign anime.

>>148117283

Totally Spies was clearly trying to jump on the Sailor Moon craze (following another Sailor Moon clone which bombed). Wakfu is the French trying to make a Shounen.

>>148117283
>what, like naruto?
The only really shitty part about naruto was naruto himself during the later parts of the series, and even then he was still stupid enough to be amusing anyway. Madara, and so many other characters made the series pretty good in many different ways.

And that's just from the point of view that good series=good plot. The fight animation, character design, and OST alone more than make up for what it lacks in story. The worst thing about naruto is really just the western fanbase.

>Last Unicorn writer remembers Christopher Lee
>"On the last occasion, when I had called to wish him a happy 90th birthday, I remember him assuring me that “if, by the time you come to make your live-action version of your movie, I have passed on, do not let it concern you. I have risen from the dead several times. I know how it’s done.”
He will be back.

>>148117604

>The only really shitty part about naruto was naruto himself during the later parts of the series,
It wasn't even him. It was how 90% of the story focused only on the three main characters. When all the secondary characters were more interesting. Same problem Harry Potter had.

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>>148116886

You cant deny that character design, animation, plot wise and basically everything is of much better quality in Anime.

Compare any run out of the mill anime, to any cartoon made in USA or Canada, even france (thoughthe gap is not as big)

>>148117621
As much as I like this movie I have a hard time imagining it being any good in live action. Maybe if you make it like Pan's labyrinth, but even then it's hard to recreate the surreal tone of the animation.

>>148111065
Being objective to the term in question. Animation that is created to appeal by a western or easrtern demographic make them cartoons or anime. Not their origin of creation. Cultural standards and practices are different in the west and vise versa. Like how British humor differs from American humor.

>>148114932
>liked it so much that he voiced the king in other languages as well just so he can keep doing it

>>148118797

Almost no animated movie would be improved by going live action. As all the shitty Anime to live action movies have already proven. When it comes to western animation, its even worse.

>>148118797
TLU is based on a novel though

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Is Totally Spies an anime?

>>148119173

A wanna be anime, yeah. Same as Avatar or Steven Universe.

For 99% of the stuff /a/ watches, it's "Japanese animation that airs on late night TV in timeslots no one else wants to buy".

>>148119257
The amount of fetishes in that show is baffling.

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>>148121117
amazing.

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>>148121117
lies

>>148111872
Fuck, I love this.

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>>148119257
Avatar did it's own thing. Steven Universe just copies and pastes scenes from older anime. Some call it homage. Other's call it outright theft.

>>148113183
Was he one of those ultra faggy types that get rightfully beaten up all the time?
Like those No-cussing shits?

>>148122277

>Avatar did it's own thing.
Eh, its still pretty much a generic Shounen using a system similar to Naruto.

But I agree, Steven Universe is even more of a blatant copy.

>>148112131
In Korra the combustion chick accidently burned her own face off when they put a metal plate around her head.
We didn't see anything, but that was rather gruesome.
In Korra most villains tended to die.

>>148113786
>The problem is that whenever there is a fight that's not a bossfight, you already know there are no stakes.
That's like 90 % of everything.

>>148111065
Anime is made by Japanese studios primarily for Japanese audiences.

All other animations are cartoons.

>>148122277
Watching the shittiest harem anime is better use of time than watching that filth.

>>148122713

>All other animations are cartoons.
Except that's wrong.

>>148122277

It's blatant homage, even if the show's shit, it's retarded to think that you're not supposed to know.

There are episodes called shit like "an indirect kiss", there's joke that doesn't make any fucking sense if you don't know End of Eva, etc. The show pays blatant homage to anime constantly, occasionaly by fucking name

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I just realized that Maya was my first anime. My entire life I believed Germans did it but no, it's Japan.

>>148122515

Earth Queen's death was fucking brutal

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>>148122882

I think he's pointing out the difference between homage and imitation. An homage points to something famous but still puts its own twist on it. Stephen Universe just literally copies scenes. The shows team probably thinks its an 'homage', but it really just comes off as copying.

An homage would be something more like this from Gumball. Its clearly referencing Street Fighter II, but does it in a unique way within the context of the shows plot. If Stephen Universe did the same gag, they'd literally just trace over Chun Li and Ryu frame by frame.

>>148122994

Honestly that sounds nitpicky as shit to me

There's plenty of other issues to take with the show, the idea that it's not paying homage the right way is a dumb one.

>>148123217

>nitpicky
Welcome to 4chan. Where we pick away at a show until there's nothing left.

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>>148122882
They're only allowed to copy the nonviolent and nonsexual parts.
I can see an episode where one of the Gems falls unconscious. Steven is looking over them while drinking a glass of milk. And the milk spills all over him so he looks at his hand, which is covered in milk.
>>148122994
Gumball does anime references too.

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>>148123217

Those 'nit picks' are what differentiates a decent show from a good one. The (old good) Simpsons would reference something like Citizen Kane with a 10 second joke and then use it to develop Mr Burns as a character. Family Guy would just spend 10 minutes painfully recreating the same scene piece by piece. But in the end, it adds nothing to the characters and was just a giant pointless homage. Which sounds closer to Stephen Universe?

>>148123327

>Gumball does anime references too.

Yes, I know. They do it more than anyone else really. Sadly, they only did them well in season 1. Now they're as bad as Stephen Universe and Teen Titans.

>>148123470

Fucking neither

SU's anime refences are like lazy single five second cuts

>>148123568

>SU's anime refences are like lazy single five second cuts
But frame by frame copies of that scene. That's the point.

>>148123671

And it doesn't suffer from the same issues the Family Guy example does. Yeah, maybe it adds nothing, but unlike Family Guy's endless "HAHA OUR PACING IS SHIT, SO FUNNY" joke, it doesn't really take anything away either.

>>148123749

>Yeah, maybe it adds nothing
And that still makes it less good. You're really just claiming its better than shit for not being as bad as Family Guy. But it still doesn't make it good.

>>148123904

I never claimed it was good, anon

I said it was shit

>>148111699

CARTOONS = poorly drawn kiddy shit, made to sell Mcdonalds happy meals

ANIME= Superior desings, actual artistry, better production values over all & mature, with quality in mind

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>>148125176

Cartoons = Rough sketch of a more detailed final visual work. Later used as a slang term for panel drawings mostly found in newspapers and tabloids. And later adapted for full animated works, as most were initially adaptations of the previously mentioned panel drawings.

Anime - A slang term for animation used in France and Japan. Encompasses all animated works, but is not applied to Manga, comics or panel works (4Koma).

>>148111678
I now realize the Ice King from Adventure Time is a ripoff.

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>>148111980
>magic beasts that would impale men and impure women to trees

Haha, good thing I'm a pure virgin ;_;

>>148125876

Pretty sure he's an amalgamation of multiple different characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrbccEdI5o

>>148126015
Can you be both pure and not a virgin?

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>>148111162
>the movie got negative ratings because reviewers didn't like that this kind of movie got advertised as one for the entire family

>>148122277
Avatar is littered with references to Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Fullmetal Alchemist (2003, obviously), and Neon Genesis Evangelion, as well as some Miyazaki films, like Nausicäa, Princess Mononoke, and Spirited Away. Avatar's creators are huge self-admitted weeaboos, and they have openly admitted to being big fans of Gainax and Studio Ghibli stuff in general. They're really no better than Steven Universe's creator, Rebecca Sugar. She just so happens to have a slightly unhealthy obsession with Ikuhara.
Same thing with Adventure Time creator Pendleton Ward, who's often claimed to having been influenced by Yoshinori Kanada and Hiroyuki Imaishi.

>>148111678
I think he died in exctacy of joy and happiness. He had all the unicorns at some point and he saw all the unicorns in the world at the same time before he died.

Definitely a blasting way to go.

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>>148123327
I can play that game, too.

>>148111065

'Anime' would be produced and written by/for nips. They already outsource the animation (same as many US TV series are shot outside the US even if setting it in side, because cheaper). Intended audience is I think the distinction line.

We'd have a hard time when nipland creates a series that is written/produced by nips, but released and recorded in a language other than japanese first. Yes this has sort of happened, but they have been the ones hired by US producers. I'm talking about a business where they target the west hiring English VAs and all.

>>148122277
What's up with the SU hate? I enjoyed the 7 episodes i saw on Netflix...

>>148118610

Have the frogs made anything else as fun and anime-like as wakfu? Chinks are starting to get their animation going, brazil likes anime as well, have they started to do anything decent?

>it's a "stupid americans don't understand that japan calls all cartoons anime"-thread
I want neo-/a/ to leave

>>148115689
He stabbed a Nazi in the back and warned about the dangers of occultism. Being Dracula and Saruman was just a cherry on top of a very impressive career.

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>>148131343
All this talk of Sir Christopher Lee, I remember his passing and Now this thread is full of all these anons who loved him.

Jeff bridges is probably next.

>>148118610
>character design
L noses and googly eyes. Wow. So different. Not at all simplified and cartoonish. Nope. Totally different.
>animation
Anime has some of the choppiest "professional" animation I have ever seen, and it does so on a regular basis. Not to mention all the sheer amount of QUALITY. There's way more of it.
>plot
I bet you mean, themes, you retard, because there's no fucking way most anime does plot any better. Anime does tend to have more mature themes, but the plots are fucking terrible. Cliches fucking everywhere with shit pacing and even worse endings, if they even get ones.

>>148132780
Why are you here?

>>148117237
>>148117350
I live in Japan - there's little distinction outside of otaku subculture; hell, Adventure Time is shown on tv here and called anime - the only difference is it occasionally gets the 海外 adjective thrown before it. Same goes with manga, though アメコミ has become a more widely used term in recent years.

The West latches on to this idea of Japan and the Japanese language that is different from the reality. It's the same with the word 'otaku' - there was some rumor that otaku are looked down upon and considered an insult in Japan, and deviantart/anime club weeaboos are embarrassing for calling themselves otaku, when really there's no negative meaning attached.

We as Westerners shouldn't take words and assign new meanings to them, and then hold those meanings as representative of how the original culture feels. That sounds a bit SJW-y but it's mostly just common sense.

>>148111065
>What makes anime ''anime''?
Animation produced for an Asian (specifically Japanese) market.
The studio and writer's nationality is unimportant.

>>148122911
I loved Maya the Bee when i was a kid. I actually had a crush on her.

>>148111065

>>148116374
Moomin was also broadcast and available in Japan thus making it very anime.

>>148116886
As a semantic matter I tend to take into account area of dissemination, production staff, as well as source material depending on the situation.

>>148118895
Disagree. Cartoon itself is not very well defined where some people think that exaggeration is key to the form so not all western drawn animations are cartoons. Of course, like everything in the thread, this is all up for debate.

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>>148111872
Holy shit a reason to use my old macro!

>>148133722
>It's the same with the word 'otaku' - there was some rumor that otaku are looked down upon and considered an insult in Japan, and deviantart/anime club weeaboos are embarrassing for calling themselves otaku, when really there's no negative meaning attached.

Then why people like Anno sends "messages" directed at them in his works?

Anime directors tend to look down upon them, all because of the Otaku killer in the 80s, yeah because it couldnt have been that the guy was an outcast due to shitty parenting like most japanese parents stuck up in the WWII mentality of, we have it harsh, so we must force our newer generations to carrie our crosses because how dare they!

>>148133722
Protip: You're not the only Anon to live in Japan, Anon.

>>148133722
>We as Westerners shouldn't take words and assign new meanings to them
No the English language has been doing that for centuries and we won't stop. Other countries including japan have also appropriated other international terms and used them in their own way. Japan's waseieigo is proof of that.

>and then hold those meanings as representative of how the original culture feels
Well, yeah, it's part of that "I'm an anime fan so I understand japan" kind of logic. In the case of "Anime" specifically though, I'm of the belief that most in the western fanbase recognize that "anime" as it's used is an English word borrowed from Japanese (which was borrowed from English) to help Westerners categorize the Japaneseness of something.

I can't vouch for what anon is trying to say but "otaku" as pigeonholed by the West isn't the same as a Japanese otaku which has a much broader meaning to define someone with a strong interest. You could be a computer otaku, train otaku, plastic model otaku, military otaku, plane otaku, etc, etc. You can even find anime that treat the distinction of different type of otaku properly.

>>148135898
They're directed at fans who are otaku, but otaku just means 'knowledgeable fan' for all intents and purposes. It's been co-opted by the Western internet to near-exclusively refer to anime fans (and it's skyrocketed since fake Miyazki screencaps from tumblr became big) otherwise.

>>148135907
Yeah, of course. It's not really an accomplishment or anything.

>>148135975
I agree completely and support cultural exchange/appropriation/diffusion. But the difference is, this thread is arguing about what is or isn't anime based off the understanding of a foreign word, which is fine, as long as it's understood as being limited to the largely internet-based community's understanding. Saying "this isn't anime" when Japan considers it anime is just... odd? It's misinformation at worst, and worth pointing out because I feel like a surprising amount of stuff is lost in translation when it comes to Japan.

Anyways, Japanese people on 2ch (probably) don't argue over the intricacies of the word "hambagu stekki" and whether this or that is a true American steak or just a dirty Korean copy. But if they did, I'd hope someone would point out that their idea of steak is different than ours too. It's the same sort of thing really.

>>148136623
It's not odd. It's just you being a pedantic faggot who can't into the context of the topic being discussed.

>>148111481
Taste

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>>148112103
There already is a Frozen anime anyway.
>>148111991
Don't think you watched Korra, then...
>>148133722
I'll bet you think a foreigner wearing a kimono is appropriation.
>>148127051
This, aren't you still considered pure if you've only ever had sex with your one and only till-death-do-us-part spouse?

It is only anime if it was made in Japan for a Japanese audience. Drawn in Japan is not the same

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>>148111065
When it's not the aesthetics, it's the way to tell a story. I'd say japanese anime have a soul of their own, they reflect the artists and their culture. Shows like pic related look japanese, but the story telling and pacing are very different. For example, there aren't these 'meaningless' contemplative scenes of nature that give anime its special taste.

>>148136744
It's fairly odd considering the western use of "anime" is arbitrarily dictated to apparently mean "exclusively Japanese cartoons that feel Japanese to non-Japanese people".

>>148138770
>I'll bet you think a foreigner wearing a kimono is appropriation.
Protip: only the Western blogosphere cares about cultural appropriation.

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>>148111991
Not every anime has to be violent, you know. But yeah, I agree that anime tends to have more "freedom" for a lack of a better word.

>>148139285
Not him, but I'd say the only ones caring about that are America, the UK (the southern parts of it, at least) and maybe Sweden, because they're always following the latest American societal trends. To somebody from a third world country it's puzzling why that's even a debate. You want people of all races to live together, but you don't want their cultures to mesh together over time. It's impossible. Look at how the American people have adopted some of the Mexican culture - wouldn't that be "cultural appropriation" according to the people who care about that crap? Why are people letting it slide? Doublethink became real?

>>148111065

Everything animated it's anime for the Japanese (and I think China uses that word too). Outside Japan, anime is the term used to comemrcialize Japanese animation.

Anything produced outside Japan is not anime.

>>148139271
Well when you've grown up with anime and have watched 80% of what Japan produced in the 70s and 80s at least, you sure can recognize anime at the first sight.

>>148139285
What's wrong with giving a loanword a new meaning? People do the same thing when they use "seiyuu" to mean Japanese voice actors or "gelato" to mean Italian ice cream. It's better than having two words that mean exactly the same thing.

>>148130679
it's really gay in both meanings

Funny as now that China is starting to produce cartoons, they try to use JAPAN'S anime popularity to make people believe what they are watching is anime too.
Same when they forced JAPAN expo to accept chinese booths full of chinese pirate goods and manwha.

Just create your OWN CHINA expo and stop to pretend what you make is anime. It's NOT.

anime is a much more specific thing post-mid 2000's than it ever was before. this is why 12 year olds find anime older than about 15 years so unpalatable. They going in expecting an anime and getting what they perceive as a mere cartoon.

>>148111065
Anime is made in Japan
If it's made in other countries but has the same art style is [the country's name] anime
Like Teen Titans is American anime
Wakfu is French anime
Fucking My Life Me is god forsaken Canadian anime.

But if it's an animation made in Japanese or by Japanese then it's an anime.

My use my penis radar.

>>148111065
>most anime is animated by koreans
>many american shows outsource to korea and japan
>boondocks had madhouse scenes and designs
>never discussed here
until gook shit is allowed here the /a/ definition of anime will be produced by japs, in jap, for japs

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>>148140849
>This is a Canadian anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEd-WeFf1Fs
I wanted to rip my scalp off when the cat's name was neko.