Is this character a culmination of everything wrong with

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>>147618049
No, but this is.

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>>147618049
''We are modern and cool'' - Hideaki Anno.

She's the JarJar of Eva.
She's not the root of it rather than the embodiment of it.

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I have a Mari poster because I like her design

>>147618049
I don't think so.

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>>147618822
The dick wants what the dick wants.

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Reminder

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>>147618049
Mari is cute! CUTE! and is Asuka's new girlfriend.

>>147619039
But EoE was the planned ending

Shit image

>>147619039
>he also compared fan commentary on his work to bathroom graffiti

Anno is so based

>>147619039
Call me a butthurt shipper if you must, but I don't agree with the guy's interpretation of EoE.
No, calling other people immature because they want a positive ending doesn't make you sound more mature or believable. if anything it makes you sound like Coldsteel.
EoE's "positive interpretation" is as valid as any other explanation of the ending.
If anything, people should be fucking reminded what "open ending" means. You can't prove your version of the facts is right you retards, the ending was left open for a goddamm reason, and this is still one of Eva's selling points considering people are still talking about it 20 years later.

>>147620208
The original Eva being open ended just makes rebuild seem a little more pointless, you know? Like if it isn't a continuation it's just a more streamlined version of the original. It's not an interesting enough AU and the storytelling as all over the place in 3.0. If it is a continuation it shits all over the open ending of the original. What's the point of turning it into a time loop sort of deal?

>>147620590
We don't know for sure if it's a continuation or a loop time for sure, I take it as a reboot or alternative version as it is now. We'll see with 4.0

>>147620650
>4.0
the ride never ends

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>>147618049
Who cares about Evangelion? I am just here for the BrEaSTer girl.

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>>147618951
They should do it out of sexual frustration in 4.0

>>147618049
Yes.

>>147619039
I don't know what Anno is thinking but I'm enjoying the ride
Sure I'll "sarcastically" fap to Mari, I loved the visuals and closure I got in EoE, I like Shinji and Kaworu interacting and I'm glad we got more of that in 3.33, I like that new Rei is more of a person and that even Rei Q actually is becoming a real girl, Asuka is ridiculously badass in EoE where she even comes back from death and in 3.33 she looks awesome
The biggest fuck you Anno can actually do is not finishing the rebuild movies, but it turns out Godzilla is an Eva movie in disguise so he literally can't do anything else

>>147622930
Except for all of the things he did, that aren't, you know, Eva.

>>147618049
>current

Evangelion was never good.

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Why is this pairing so good?

>>147620590
I agree, I wasn't talking about the Rebuilds, I only referred to the part about EoE.
I also think the sequel theory kind of trivializes EoE's ending, but if it's confirmed I'll just pretend the Rebuilds don't exist altogether.

>>147623037
What was the last time he did something that wasn't Eva?
What's it been over 10 years?

>>147623206
Mari is a semi-canon lesbian.
Manga spoilers follow
Her manga counterpart had the hots for Yui

>>147623325
That has nothing to do with whether he can do other stuff. He's produced a lot recently, though.

>>147623677
Yeah like Eva 1.11, Eva 2.22, Eva 3.33 and most recently Eva: Godzilla edition

>>147623749
He directed those (or oversaw the direction of the Rebuilds, at least). Anyway, I said "produced." And it still leaves everything he's made that's not Eva. Are you pretending to be stupid?

>>147623825
That was a long time ago
I just looked it up, the different thing he did was Cutie Honey in 2004

>>147623931
How does that even number as a factor? "It's old, so it doesn't count?" Are you serious?

He's done way more that's not Eva. Eva is just the most well known.

>>147623749
>Eva: Godzilla edition
Was that movie actually good?

>>147624131
It's doing very well.

>>147618049

Yes. It feels like the movies didn't have enough time to explore all of Asuka's personalities, so they took away the energetic, gives no fucks, GO TIME qualities of Asuka and gave them to Mari and called it a character.

All you have left is the tsundere Asuka with none of the bite.

>>147618049
Literally what is the point of this character?

Kaworu and Asuka are the culmination of everything wrong with Evangelion: relentless pursuit of waifufaggotry ideals.

Mari is but a sideeffect.

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>>147624409
Fanservice and merchandise

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>>147623206
It's simply because Mari's character is the perfect fit for drawing out the all the cute Asuka reactions.

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>>147624488
Is the coffee a meme or actually good?

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>>147624596
Yes

>>147623749
Rebuild G.GG

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>>147628687
Opposite.

>>147623373
I have the feeling way to few Anons read the manga.

I liked it a lot more then the anime

>>147628687
Rei 2 from the Manga is actually pretty likeable towards the end of her life

I only watched 3.33
Should I watch rebuild for Mari?

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>>147618822
Yeah. She's cool on her own but doesn't really fit into Eva very well.

I still want a buddy cop movie or rom-com starring her and Asuka, probably set during the time skip. Mari may be rather pointless, but her dynamic with Asuka could be really fun. Not that "fun" has ever factored into Evangelion.

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>>147630808
>Not that "fun" has ever factored into Evangelion
It has.

>>147631336
This is the best picture of Mari in existance. maybe because it looks nohing like her

>>147631444
>This is the best picture of Mari in existance
Based trips.
>maybe because it looks nohing like her
The artist should've chilled out on the Rinnegan.

>>147618049
If Anno hates Eva so much why doesn't he stop?

I mean christ, surely he has enough influence to rustle some funding up and make a brand new anime? He can just let Eva die.

>>147631531
He doesn't hate Evangelion man. Anno was only butthurt because Rei got more popular than Asuka, and that made him bitter.

>>147631531
He wants to kill Eva and all it's legacy, he just can't, and never will be able to

>>147631615
It clearly causes him a lot of stress at least, if 3.0 + 1.0's development is anything to go by. It took him working on a completely different project (Godzilla) to get him in the mood to try Eva again.

>>147631619
Making more Eva movies only keeps it alive though.

>>147631619
He wants to change EVA's legacy, not kill it.

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>>147631531
>ruin a series
>get money
Based af.

>>147631619
I never saw any evidence he wants to kill Eva, but he wants to kill it's legacy and replace it with a new one.

>>147631700
>It clearly causes him a lot of stress at least, if 3.0 + 1.0's development is anything to go by. It took him working on a completely different project (Godzilla) to get him in the mood to try Eva again.

There's a better explanation than Anno's sentimental PR-talk. With 3.0, Anno got to pander in an all-out fashion to Asuka/Kaworu fans. It got him the "new" fanbase he wanted: one that adored Asuka and Kaworu whilst not caring for Rei. One new fanbase that would pledge loyalty to him, as we see today.

After 3.33, 3.0+1.0 became redundant, because there is more value in letting 3.33 stew among the fans for many years rather than ending it.

>>147631735
Surely he could make another series with a depressed main character.

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>>147631929
Not before I get my 3.0 + 1.0 hopefully.

>>147631885
This is absolutely insane conspiracy theory level shit.

Has Anno personally divulged this information to you, or did you just receive it in a schizophrenic haze?

>>147632113
It's called common sense, the guy's been butthurt for decades.

>>147632145
It's common sense that you've extrapolated mountains and mountains of ABSOLUTELY TRUE conjecture revealing all of Anno's malicious anti-Rei sentiments. The evidence is pilling up!

Yeah, that's just common sense.

>>147632113
>I don't like what I'm hearing therefore it's a conspiracy theory/and or other dismissive insults

If you know anything about Anno, this would be just the obvious conclusion. Just looking at 3.33 alone and putting the pieces together should tell you everything you need to know.

...you have watched NGE and Rebuild, right?

>>147632216
When the evidence adds up like this, then accepting the circumstances is common sense, yeah.

If there's anything else behind it, I'd like to hear your theory, otherwise I'm sticking with what's in front of me and very clear.

>>147632217
>I don't like the Rebuilds so it's obviously a coordinated attack on Rei

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>>147631885
Then why did he make Rei so adoring and lovable in the first place? Of course she'd cater to the audience because she is the quiet obedient girl who follows orders while Asuka is your average classmate who laughs at you when you make mistakes and insults your masculinity whilst being so much better than you.

>>147632275
Even if you like Rebuild you can clearly see it's a deeply coordinated attack on Rei.

It's more than that ofc.

>>147632284
In Rebuild? Arguably so he could tear it down.

Besides, he spent far more energy and did far more changes to Asuka to make her likable - not to mention Kaworu who he's changed from one-episode character to one spanning the entire canon, even more than the principal characters in theory.

>>147632275
>I like the pandering I get in rebuild and need to deny it's actually super-shallow because I'm not man enough to admit it

>>147632541
Never said it wasn't shallow or that I liked it.

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>>147632408
>did far more changes to Asuka to make her likable
I still don't like her, she reminds me of all the girls who bullied and ridiculed me. Rei is my dream girl, probably because I never met one like her and she doesn't seem so judgemental.

>not to mention Kaworu who he's changed from one-episode character to one spanning the entire canon
Personally, I didn't dislike that at all, I like Kaworu a lot, he's like the friend I never got to have in my life.

>>147632632
>I still don't like her
So?

>Personally, I didn't dislike that at all, I like Kaworu a lot, he's like the friend I never got to have in my life.

Which makes you dumb cancer. Pardon being rude, but it's really true.

Uplifting a character like that for the sake of fanpandering is inexcusable. You got every other character more or less ruined, and if you don't dislike that, you're actually dumb cancer.

>>147632632
So, let's say, just hypothetically:

3.0+1.0
-removes all looper/time traveler privileges Kaworu has, explains that he was just brainwashed to think he knew Shinji
-removes Rei permanently
-makes Ritsuko a dimension-shifter trying to bring happiness to misato (maya can come too)
-makes Asuka WILLE's comfort girl

would you be okay with that?

>>147618049
Evangeleon was and still is a heaping pile of shit.

>>147632972
If you ignore the dumb waifu wars, the original series + EoE are very good. Rebuilds are shit.

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>>147618049
>current Evangelion
How is it different from what it used to be?

>>147633142
Is Be Invoked enjoyable without watching the series?

>>147633142
The original Evangelion spent more time on building the plot and the characters. The new one is all shock value and otaku escapism and doesn't really have any point.

In a single year, the TV-series produced more substance than Rebuild has done in nearly ten.

Yes, Rebuild began in 2007, it is now 2017.
>>147633244
It's good but just watch the damned series. Be amazed at all the shit the Ideon takes.

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>>147632632
yeah I feel it.

>>147633376
Cancer-fag.

>>147618049
Hell, I'm afraid of watching the rebuild because of this.

>>147633335
I dropped the series after the Ide legend, I just thought that was too ridiculous

>>147632284
>your average classmate who laughs at you when you make mistakes and insults your masculinity whilst being so much better than you.

Am I the only the one who finds this hot?

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Reifags are delusional. 3.0 was a commentary on the whole franchise. He took what everyone liked and purposefully turned it on it's head.

I'll say this, if you dislike 3.0 because of what it did then you've been liking Evangelion for all the wrong reasons.

>>147634135
But Kaworu is better than before in 3.0

>>147634135
No it wasn't. He jacked up characters like Asuka and Kaworu to ridiculous pandering levels.

If you like 3.33 you hate Evangelion and liked it for the wrong reasons: pandering.

>>147634286
>If you like 2.22 you hate Evangelion and liked it for the wrong reasons: pandering.

fixed

>>147634135
I liked the gay piano playing

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Childhood is when you idolize Evangelion.
Adulthood is when you realize that Brain Powerd makes more sense.

>>147634390
If you dislike 2.22, you're a butthurt Asukafag.

>>147618049
No, but she's good for highlighting everything wrong with the current Evangelion fanbase.

>>147635222
If you like 2.22 then you're a raging reifag

>>147624131
It's made over 6 billion yen and was getting rave critical reviews in Japan

>>147624409
Anno wanted another female Eva pilot. Said he didn't think he could change the story enough without including something like that.

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>>147634738
>tomino dialogue

>>147636153
>Said he didn't think he could change the story enough without including something like that
And yet three movies in and she hasn't done anything

>>147634135
It's Kaworu pandering in that Kaworu is in it. He spends the movie consciously manipulating Shinji into doing something for him, is overpowered by Shinji because he wasn't following the plot and Gendo let him think he was smart for 14 years, then doesn't learn a thing since he dies convinced he's still central to events and they can't proceed without him. He isn't even less creepy than in NGE, there's just nobody else there to be creeped out.

>>147633142
>>147633335
Is the full series subbed yet?

>>147636098
Nope, 2.22 is the most liked eva-movie.

>>147636287
This is accurate.

>>147636381
By plebs maybe.

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>>147628687
FTFY

>>147630808
>Not that "fun" has ever factored into Evangelion

episodes 07 - 15 (or is it 16) are fun. basically from jet alone/asuka arriving to when shinji becomes a goo man are more light hearted.

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>>147633142
>sucking tomino's tiny, almost impossibly small flaccid cock so hard that you actually made this picture

>>147636535
Eva doesn't really hit its dark phase until Episode 18 and the destruction of Unit 03. After that it's all downhill.

I just finished the series
Im still confused, what is Kaworu? An angel in human body? How was he trapped? Was he workinf with Gendo or he just has his own agenda?

>>147637172
He's Seele's Rei

>>147630808
The shinji ikari raising project alt universe was fun for the whole 5 minutes it got before Congratulations!!

>>147636429
No, by everyone. Plebs such as yourself didn't like it for shitty shipping reasons.

>>147637387
I interpreted events as him even biting his masters' hands the same way and trying to take Impact his own direction. Seele directed him toward Gendo, they didn't send him into Terminal Dogma, then when he does they comment they won't rely on Adam or Angels and pray that Eva 01 stops him.

>>147638365
>he really thinks this
2.22 is pure fanservice. You only like it because it gave you what you wanted and flip shit when things returned to being polarizing in 3.0

>>147638922
>he really thinks this

2.22 is regular Evangelion with mixed up characters and new stuff added. You didn't like it because you're an asukafag who couldn't stand Rei doing something nice for Shinji or vice versa.

That's why you prefer the fanservice-laden 3.33 with zero substance, and shield yourself with a phony excuse like "it's polarizing".

Basically you're objectively wrong and I can show it easily.

>>147638922
>>147639116
On the whole, Rebuild is awful.

Rebuild is comprised of two parts decent, and one part shit. Now if someone dropped a turd like 3.33 on your plate, there's no way the meal will be edible any more, even if they add another decent side afterwards.

Only literal shit-eaters who are willing to eat shit to get some mediocre side dishes.

>>147636448
seconded

>>147624409
>>147624488
but is it self-aware/ironic fan service?

and does that therefore justify it?

>>147643047
what about the advertisements in the show?

>>147624488
I want some Shinji Doritos

>>147643617
Probably come's in bitch flavor.

>>147643617
> What makes them Soo Shinji?

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>>147618049
Mari is basically Kaji as a pilot. She's supposed to function as a sagacious foil to Shinji. People shit on nte because they don't understand what Anno's doing, especially evident in the negative reaction to Q.

get at me

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>>147618049
So if Mari was a student while Yui was alive, does that mean she's really 30 years old and only looks like a teenager because she's an Eva pilot?

If that's the case, was it /ss/ when she hit on Shinji in 2.0?

>>147643719
One of the animators compared Mari to Kaworu; as a (manipulative person--- saying just the right things)

>>147643047

Something being shit on purpose doesn't make it less shit. It just lets the creator smugly circlejerk about how above the medium their ideas are. Which is inherently hypocritical while using the medium itself.

>>147643837
That makes sense, though I think she's less sincere than Kaworu. She basically pushed Shinji to initiate third impact.

>>147643881
Or less transparent, I should say.

>>147643792
Probably not, that's 1998 and she was already 16. There wouldn't even be a prototype before she was 20.

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>>147637719
It got a whole manga spin-off at least.

I bought a copy of that to see how it ends. Friendship wins the Shinjibowl.

Seele tries to fuck with Rei's memories but they get BTFO by Shinji and Asuka

>>147643719
Mari is just Kaji as a teenage girl with a few odd quirks. He also invades peoples' personal space to say weird and inappropriate things. Even her partnership with Asuka is similar to Kaji and Bitch Mode Misato

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>>147643881
In a previous thread I posted this,(regarding Mari in the original 2.22 draft) Might as well say it again.

Mari originally was more involved in the plot for 2.0. According to (Eva-2.0 Complete records collection)
A 200+page book containing; behind the scenes information, original drafts, scene panels detailing alternative/deleted segments, ect.... (http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii112/IrkenEvangelion/asuka-guro-2.jpg)


(POTENTIAL SPOILERS)


Originally Mari was going to be introduced by piloting Eva-2 at sea fighting an angel on battleships, Mari/Kaji are both introduced to the cast while Asuka arrives later by plane, both Mari and Asuka pilot Unit-2 with Asuka being its designated pilot , referring to Mari as her "support fire"(later used in 3.0)
Eventually Mari with a higher sync ratio with Unit-2 than Asuka becomes its main pilot during the 9th angel attack, leaving Asuka devastated not piloting Eva (NGE style) Asuka then jumps at the chance to pilot unit-3.(o_o)
Mari talks with all the pilots, goes to the school, Convinces Shinji (face to face) to pilot Unit-1 during the 10th angel attack at the watermelon field; kissing him...

The script was later remade (again) to what we have now.

It is also worth mentioning that Asuka was originally in unit-2 during the 10th angel attack. (In the first or second draft for 2.0.)
It explains why during the Zeruel battle (when it hits unit-2 a second time) the camera zoom's towards Mari's left eye (implying it getting hit), yet later we see that it's the right side of her face that's injured.---Originally Asuka was in Mari's place and the scene showed how she lost her eye. The aforementioned scene was a recycled element from the earlier draft-and the animators just forgot (or were lazy) to edit the scene.


It wouldn't be Evangelion if the production wasn't chaotic.

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>>147644165
whoa, that's really interesting. I had heard about Mari originally being more involved, but not the details. Using her as the savant rival to Asuka makes a lot of sense because she's pretty obviously supposed to be the most informed and emotionally mature of the pilots, and possessed of a greater intrinsic agency than any of them too. Although it would be kind of jarring to have an arbitrarily better pilot than Asuka, especially IN unit 2: when Shinji had a higher sync rate is was compelling because we'd seen what he'd been going through.


that probably woulda been cool too though, and unprecedented. I'm confident Mari will have a profound role in 4.0.

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>>147644165
>>147643881
>>147644470

Just to say, these changes occurred After 2.2's trailer in 1.0's release.

I theorize that Mari became irrelevant after the script revisions, but was kept in the story because she was in the trailers.

2.22 development was a mess
("Khara's actual first original story")
From what I've read; it appears that Anno hated the direction 2.0 was going (after the development-hell) thus he purposefully distance the next film story-wise from the events in 2.0.

>>147644470
haha, do you know if Asuka still had her "make sure they paint it red" line in this older version?

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>>147644165
>spamming this again
>that url
Go fuck yourself, lad. Anyone who hasn't seen/read this shit yet doesn't even belong in these threads.

I'm sick of this pasta, I'm sick of you.

>>147644509
>it appears that Anno hated the direction 2.0 was going (after the development-hell) thus he purposefully distance the next film story-wise from the events in 2.0.

interesting. I still think Q works pretty well as a followup to 2.0, but that he packed so much into it, and it shifted so dramatically in style, makes sense as him trying to distance himself from the actionfest.

>>147644470
Aside from one during Shinji's first deployment in Unit 01, they've pretty much thrown the sync ratio stuff right out the window. All the pilots seem equally capable of synchronizing no matter which Eva they're in.

I prefer the route they took with Mari. She has more of the inside story and has a more concrete sense of self than the other kids, but as a pilot she goes big and flashy without accomplishing much of anything until she becomes the designated sniper

>>147634135
Do you think he'll be ok?

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>>147644509
note how the pic (to the right) has Asuka with bandages over her mouth like in 2.0 (my pic related)
>>147644563
Unfortunately I don't, the CRC hasn't been completely translated yet. EvaGeeks did an incomplete fan translation; but were later told to stop by Khara.
>>147644577
well I did make it...Not going to waste even more time writing...
>>147644638
I know I liked 3.33, more so over 2.22.

>>147643617
Shinji looks like the kind of guy who'd eat doritos occassionally.
But Rei, what do Rei's doritos taste like?

>>147644894
>...
Stop.

>>147644825
Don't worry, he'll get to try again in Super Robot Wars.

>>147644825
One way or another he'll be in 4.0. If nothing else he'll come back as Unit 13

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Apparently Rei committed suicide in an earlier draft.

>>147644978
Jesus anno

>>147644978
>Rei channeling Ryouma
my dick is diamonds

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https://www.gwern.net/docs/eva/2010-crc

The link has the translated text from the crc.
Here's an image from a different earlier draft of the script.

I know they are going to use this in 4.0

>>147644978
I wonder if they still planned to end this draft with the awakening of Unit 01?

>>147644978
Give me that angsty Rei one day
I like Rei's coldness but I first thought she'd eventually go batshit insane from so many supressed emotions

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From the amount of material made for 2.0, they possibly have 2-3 movies worth of content.

from the CRC
“Asuka corroded by the ninth Angel. Rough sketch for the image board”.
The Asuka/Kaworu dialogue in question is:

KAWORU: This isn't like you.
ASUKA: It's not like me?
KAWORU: Because happiness doesn't suit you.
ASUKA: The happy me... is scary. So I'll return to the usual me.

>>147644978
Earlier draft of what specifically?

>>147619645
if this is real, Asuka VA is gonna be really happy

>>147645315
Eva 2.0
Note the xapa logo... not Ginax

>>147645315
It's the climax of 2.22. Rei was going to self destruct Unit 00 to kill Zeruel, but they decided to have Shinji save Rei instead

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>>147645305
whoops wrong image...(its the second part of this)

The Asuka/Kaworu dialogue in question is:

KAWORU: This isn't like you.
ASUKA: It's not like me?
KAWORU: Because happiness doesn't suit you.
ASUKA: The happy me... is scary. So I'll return to the usual me.

>>147623206
because they were friends for more than 14 years?

>>147623206
Mari is completely nonplussed by Asuka's bitchiness and baits her like a master.

>>147645441
This would have made it way too obvious that Kaworu is a scumbag

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>>147645571
>>147645479
But the pairing is shit for gaia-esque crackshippers.

>>147645368
>>147645395
Thanks

>>147645571
note how Asuka forcibly reattaches the face to herself.

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>>147645685
she is putting your usual facade back on...

Also Mari has the same injuries as Rei...

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>>147645441

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>>147645013
>>147645024
>>147645142
>>147645151
You should see what the giant Red Rei did at the end of the film...

>>147646097
>core sex
I thought that was drawn as a joke

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>>147646097
>>147645441

I'm convinced that theses scenes were changed/scrapped as to keep the Japanese equivalent of a PG13 rating.

Pic...
The unfinished scenes that appeared as an extra in the blu-ray disc are also included. In the photo, Ritsuko says that Ayanami is always wearing the same plain underwear, and suggest her to ask Gendou to buy some cute ones. Rei responds that is unnecessary.

>>147646215
Actually unit-1 core is destroyed in that scene, with Shinji still in it.

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>>147646097
I pray that this was to be included exactly as drawn.

>>147646302
>Actually unit-1 core is destroyed in that scene, with Shinji still in it.
That, or the sphere pierced it (with Shinji in it) Impaling unit-1 and GNR

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http://g.e-hentai.org/g/944656/0c2120f188/
Neon Genesis Evangelion - 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance Storyboards A+B

Not the older versions tho...

>>147638922
Stop being an edgy contrarian. The majority of people agree that 2.22 is the best rebuild, and it's because it's actually a good movie that stands on it's own. 3.33 is just Anno vomiting shit all over the screen.

>>147638427
You got him wrong.
Kaworu is Adam. He lacks any will to kill because he's a progenitor mother unconsciously (Kaworu is the only "female angel" of the life seed side despite the male lilin vessel).
Kaworu likes lilin unlike SEELE who hate themselves. He was just persuaded lilin hated being lilin and were in pain until he met Shinji. Somehow Shinji convinced him lilin could find happiness, so they should do ok without his help.
It was typical sci-fi plot of misguided sweet alien princess falls for the pilot human mc, except Anno had Kaworu as 'male'. He summarizes in 'After the End' comic gag about the whole "beautiful misguided enemy switching sides by the power of love" as logic.

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SOFT PINK, BITCHES!
~Nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I actually saw someone make a great case for Mari recently. The kicker?
It was on reddit.
Cuddle a soft girl today.

>>147638922
Don't get me wrong, 2.0 was a good watch but it was the most un-evangelion project of the three. 3.0 is the opposite of fanservice and sits better with me for it.

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>>147647162
>>147647196
Woah, so this is the power... of.... newfags

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>>147647162
I hate you Mari I HATE YOU MARI I H A T E Y O U M A R I
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>>147647196
It's probably within the first 20-30 posts there, I've been banned before for linking.

>>147647243
Good joke, try again.

>>147647279
Elitistfag? That you?

>>147638427
Rebuild changes a number of things, but of old non Sadamoto Eva, think Kaworu as the Jesus analogue. He's the Father (or rather The Mother, Adam) and the 'Son' (Tabris).

The backstory Anno wrote in NGE 2 game (you must play as Kaji to uncover it) has, as EoE hinted, everything blamed on SEELE, Gendo and Yui (what Misato finally realizes all too late "the enemy is human"). The Second Impact was actually the act of violation of Adam, who was slumbering by inserting lilin DNA into her core and making her explode (this was what caused the Impact). They needed that to: split Adam's body (which became an embryo) and soul (which became Tabris/Kaworu Nagisa) and put her under their control. Also to birth the angels who are just children, in the end, their different shapes is because they can shapeshift to whatever form fits them as Fruits of Life holders. Nerv did the same shit with Lilith to create Rei.

Eva has a definitely anti-father, anti-adult message. But aside of that.

Seele raised Kaworu in a lab without contact with the outside world until he met Shinji and dispatched him to that mission. They needed him to either sacrifice himself or to start an impact. Either way they were cool, because if he died, Impact will always happen (it renacts automatically with the return of Longinus after the death of all Adam's offsprings - Kaworu's soul would return eventually into the embryo but would remain dormant) and if he starts the Impact, they'll become gods.

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Balls, I was going to stay and shitpost with you lot about Mari and how she is actually a pretty good character, albeit a bit shallow, but I'm off.
Asuka is wife for life
Rei is QT
Mari is fucking soooooooooooooft and you shouldn't take advantage of cute girls that have fallen over.

>>147646097
>Eva 01 face
Was it rape?

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>>147618049
I just don't understand what her narrative purpose is. She just seems to be a not-fucked-up Asuka, but why did we need this in Eva?

You might think she's cute or not or whatever (and that's fucking great for you), but what's the point of her character? Can anyone actually explain what she adds to the plot of the films?

Pic semi-related.

>>147645571
>This would have made it way too obvious that Kaworu is a scumbag

I don't think you appreciate the effort apologists put in. Kaworu got to where he is now from declaring humans exist to suffer and are easy to destroy in 1996.

>>147647734
Someone is butthurt Rei was removed from 3.33. Also miss the point that Kaworu meant to Shinji he could find happiness despite the pain.

That was the whole message he needed to learn. Seele wanted to run away from the pain.

>>147645334
Why? Please explain.

>>147647890
she just want Asuka be happy, also she really hate shinji,

>>147647730
I like to believe Anno thought "what if we put an eva fangirl into the story?" The way she talks sense into Shinji and gets him to give a damn. She genuinely feels like she's not from the same show as everyone else.

Evangelion was always a borderline ecchi comedy. Why you people want to pretend there was some kind of deeper meaning I'll never know.

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Is this a cool case?

>>147647730
If the manga's ending is canon for the movies, she was the original test pilot for the Evangelions and probably knew Yui and Kyoko personally, explaining why she was capable of piloting Unit 02. That'd mean she's probably neck fucking deep in the conspiracy, and likely working for either SEELE or for Gendo to bring Yui back.

>>147648565
probably not

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>>147648565
Definitely not. She's in with IPEA and the special research she's recruited for in the extra might somehow reflect that, but it's pointedly not directly related to Yui, Seele, or what they're up to.

>>147632877
I'm fine with anything as long as the execution is good.

>>147646302
>Ritsuko says that Ayanami is always wearing the same plain underwear, and suggest her to ask Gendou to buy some cute ones
The fuck? Gendo buys Rei's underwear? I guess that confirms they're fucking.

>>147632632
>Personally, I didn't dislike that at all, I like Kaworu a lot, he's like the friend I never got to have in my life.

You must have some really serious issues, if you think that inhuman abomination that emotionally tortured an unstable teenage boy to weaken him in battle and when that didn't work got butthurt enough to travel accross timelines for more emotional torture, is a friend material.

>>147647798
>Also miss the point that Kaworu meant to Shinji he could find happiness despite the pain.

You are the one missing the point. The point of Kaworu is that there is no escape from the hedgehog dilemma and that if someone appears to accept you unconditionally and offer you happiness without pain, this person is out to manipulate and betray you.

>>147648366
>>147648366
Yes.

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>>147651121
>>147651230
Nice fanfic, you sound like someone that got their heart crushed at a young, tender age.

>>147651230
>if someone appears to accept you unconditionally and offer you happiness without pain, this person is out to manipulate and betray you.
Spotted the atheist.

>>147651288
Nice projection and denial of facts, it's always funny when a rabid shipper tries to read others.

Kaworu x Shinji is canon by the way.

>>147651342
>spotted the largest religious demographic on this site
Stop the presses.

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>>147651356
And were you forced to sit by yourself at lunch?
How about all those parties you weren't invited to in high school?
Let it all out, we won't judge.

>>147651342
>Spotted the atheist.

Maybe you should not be surprised that the series where the image of cross is associated with a mass destruction attack and end of humanity is not particulalry keen on the idea of all-loving entities.

I assume they created her just so they could utilize shinobus VA.

>>147651414
Your projection is reaching disturbing levels.

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>>147651398
Have fun in hell.
I bet you think homosexuality isn't a disease.

>>147651448
Aw, I think I hurt the tumblrkin's feelings.

>>147651423
I never said anything about Christianity, retard.

>>147651453
But I don't care for heaven, so don't you look for me to cry.
And I will burn in hell, from the day I die.

>>147651510
fuck, right in the nostalgia.

>>147651398
This is a Christian website, heathen.

>>147651398
>atheism
>largest religious demographic
3/10

>>147651557
Metallica fan?

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>>147651363
Kaworu is straight and doesn't care for faggots.
Just like Jesus.

>>147651583
>>147651584
What does your prudish God think about browsing a Mongolian porn tapestry website?

>>147651657
God lurks /pol/ and you know it.

>>147651657
>he didn't understand what i meant
atheism isn't a religion and therefore not the "largest religious demographic"

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>>147651121
>not thinking qt incubus boys with great fashion and music sense make the best kinds of friends
Get a load of this moralist cunt.

>>147651504
>tumblrkin

Stop revealing your dirty secrets, we already know that Tumblr is the haven of Kaworufags like you.

>I never said anything about Christianity

Christianity is the only religion with a loving god (Allah just demands absolute obedience because he is greater than you, and so does whatever is left of YHWH in Judaism; Buddha's compassion leads him to teaching you the way to commit an eternal suicide, and the whole plot of Eva is basically driven by people who found a way to reach an approximation of Nirvana with Science!). Besides, guess to what religion blazing crosses might refer.

>>147651672
/pol/ may have become large, but look at the rest of the site. What you'd call degeneracy is rampant. I mean, take a look at /a/'s catalog. This website's always been associated with porn, hentai and fetishes.
>>147651728
Well you're right.

>>147651758
>Christianity is the only religion with a loving god
Y-yeah, he's totally not blackmailing mankind

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>>147651758
>tumblr
>caring about anything with a penis
Am I being taken on a ruse cruise?

>Christianity is the only religion with a loving god
Book of Job, fagatron.

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>>147651758
>he responds 10 minutes later from washing his tear-stained face
The Reifags are losing it, you guys.

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>>147651033
No shit, sherlock.

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>>147651033
>>147651921

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>>147651961
Hot.

>>147651836
>Book of Job
Not to be taken literally

>>147651985
>>147651961
This is my fetish.

>>147651989
The entire book is not to be taken literally.

>>147652147
So?

>>147619906
so he planned for his series to go unfinished and then remade multiple times to milk more money from otaku?

>>147652335
EoE is the perfect closure to the series.
The Rebuilds are just a fun fanfiction.

So is there any way to buy the original Eva dvds without spending six years in Japan's salt mines after selling both legs and all non-essential organs?

>>147618049
wasnt this one of many of annos fuck-yous to the fans?

"oh im sorry, did i ruin your idea of a creepy quite girl and an aggressive bitchy girl fantasy? here! have some third girl that is purely here for cheese cake! you like that dont you, you greasy vapid mouth breather? you disgust me." -Anno after designing this character

>>147631615
pretty sure he's bitter because his deconstruction of mech/harem anime and anime in general had strong undertones that waifuism is shit, putting the kuudere and tsundere in a realistic, dysfunctional light only to have his rhetoric ignored and be turned into the very thing he despises about the industry.

eva was basically a long way of saying "stop being shitty and do something with your life"

but here we are, complaining about a tiddy monster that is yet again a satire at our expense

>>147653770
>he's bitter
People keep saying that, but what's the source? He was depressed 20 years ago, is he still struggling?

>>147619039
>not liking EoE

Fucking pleb weeb

>>147632217
>comes up with a completely wild and loose theory about how to read Eva
>Hurr just watch the anime, it's all there

>>147653838
Not over Eva. He only calls it his exhausting and painful baby crafted from chips off of his own soul that he's very proud of when he's asked where the movie is.

>>147651672
Kill yourself.

>>147651836
Job is old testament, try again.
Try revelations.

>>147654362
>implying the bible retcons matter

>It's another 'We pretend Anno isn't a mega otaku faggot and interpret everything as criticism of the culture when Eva is the most "otaku as fuck" shit ever' thread
The Eva fandom is full of misinformation.

>>147633142
the funny thing is that most of the pics on the left have better composition and staging than the ones on the right

>>147647178
That's because you don't know what fanservice or evangelion is, you dummy.

3.33 is obviously the most fanservice-filled and un-evangelion movie there is, and that's fucking provable. 3.33 only has shock value and fanservice, and that is NOT Evangelion. Only dumb people think 3.33 is "the most evangelion" because they didn't understand Evangelion to begin with, so it's all shock value to them.

>>147654543
It's full of deluded people, /a/ shits on evageeks regularly but there's plenty of evageek-tier idiots here as well. Unless they flow into /a/...

>>147654887
>3.33 only has shock value and fanservice, and that is NOT Evangelion
Yes it is.

>>147655335
Argue for it and prove it then. Otherwise you're just "yet-another-cucked-3.33fag".

>>147655360
Prove what? That Evangelion is and has always appealed to the lowest common denominator: Manchildren/babby's first "dark" animu?
That's just plain fact.

>>147655392
>BUT EVA SUCKX MANE
Oh I see, you're retarded. I regret giving you (You)'s, but just for the record: like Evangelion or not, there are clear differences between the tv-series and the rebuild movies. So fuck off.

>>147619039
Never watched it but is Eva really THAT meta? That's impressive.

>>147655474
It's meta, but that post is of course full of shit.

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>>147654887
I'll put it this way.

2.22 had the lead characters finally making decisions everyone had wanted to see for years. Shinji grows a spine, Rei shows emotion, all this on top of decent action and guess what? Third impact.

That is the """""height""""" of fanservice. It gave people what they wanted. It exceeded everyone's expectations because when you sit down to watch EVA, you're usually in for a rather discomforting time. 2.0 was the exception. When I saw it, it didn't feel like I was watching Evangelion.

3.33 comes along and turns all of that on its head. Character assassination left and right, a world that's seen third impact and LORE in the form of set pieces thrown all over. A lot of which are allusions/references to the third impact of EoE. The movie was meant to subvert your expectations and leave a bad taste in your mouth. What makes the movie good is that in the midst of things, Shinji is as confused as we are and he's just trying to make sense of what's going on. Why? Because Anno wanted to give 2.0 babbies the same kind of shake up NGE watchers had when they saw the world end in EoE.

Dare I mention that half the things 2.22 introduced are left as unexplained as everything in 3.33

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I don't hate Evangelion, I am not even sure I care enough about the generic message: "do something because human life is precious" but the fanbase, good God, why are you making me suffer into this path?. Evangelion is not even that of a hot bread.

She is too qt purrfect to ignore though, and she will always have a special place in my heart in all her representations.

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>>147655829
>2.22 had the lead characters finally making decisions everyone had wanted to see for years. Shinji grows a spine, Rei shows emotion, all this on top of decent action and guess what? Third impact.
>That is the """""height""""" of fanservice. It gave people what they wanted.

This is subjective, as a sizeable portion of the fanbase did not want to see this, e.g Asuka fans and Kaworu fans were livid because they mostly think about shipping, which 2.22 threatened.
Not only that, these are things that are already present in NGE itself. Shinji does grow a spine in NGE, and Rei does show emotion, and NGE is packed with decent action circa 1995.

So this:
>It exceeded everyone's expectations because when you sit down to watch EVA, you're usually in for a rather discomforting time. 2.0 was the exception. When I saw it, it didn't feel like I was watching Evangelion.

Cannot be objectively true unless you've grossly misrepresented what NGE is. You've presented us, me, with a lie here - I have a theory as to why.

So when 3.33 appears, it's not disliked or criticized for being dark alone. As everyone who watched NGE knows, it becomes darker, and 2.22 was already making things darker so objectively the notion you present does not make sense and never will.

3.33 is criticized precisely because of it's low standards in all aspects save for budget - it's called boring because everyone knows Evangelion is liable to get darker, and critics like Hiroki Azuma agrees. A dark turn is not to be unexpected in a franchise known for it, in fact people were anticipating it.

The only expectation 3.33 subverts is the expectation that 3.33 would be a good movie. It is the only area in which there is confusion and disappointment, and you can't rationally defend that. Because rather than solid storytelling, characterization and meaningful characters, you are served extreme amounts of fanservice.

3.33 is only enjoyed by people who hated 2.22, the bitter otaku fangroups.

>>147655440
Enjoy your cartoon for 10 year old kids, movie or not it's the same unintelligent shit.

so I haven't watched the rebuilds yet, but really why does she exist? Why not just use toji?

>>147656596
Because the boys in Evangelion aren't popular unless they're named Kaworu or Shinji

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Remember kids, the more you hate it, the bigger it gets

There is literally nothing wrong with the remakes.

>>147656649
B-but I like shinji's friends...

>>147653838
He's not bitter. If you look at his interviews now he actually seems really happy. But he does say that Eva takes a lot out of him because it comes from a very personal place and that changing the story for the Rebuilds has been like battling with the person he was 20 years ago.

>>147656714
You and probably 12 other people

>>147618049
The problem is that "current" Evangelion is 20 years old.

>>147653838
The only thing Anno is bitter about, is his favourite characters not getting the #1 spot in polls, but a character he doesn't like such as Rei, does.

This bitterness transforms itself into interviews and virtually guides everything Khara has ever done in a not so insignificant way.

>>147656596
Part of Anno's ploy to make Asuka more popular. Adding a lesbian "option" for Asuka now draws in the yuri-crowd to back Asuka in polls.

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Reminder that Seele are ancient aliens who died for your sins

I love how all the Reifags are still so asspained and feel persecuted

>>147658564
About what exactly?

>>147658824
Look at the thread, they feel persecuted by Anno and everything is only done to hurt Rei
It's cute in a way, they really love her

>>147658882
Is it? Was it? I didn't get that impression from the rebuilds at all. From the parts I understood at least.

>>147658990
Read the thread

>>147659060
I did. I was referring to the Rebuilds however and I don't see it.

>>147659138
Of course you don't, it's not real

>>147658564
I think Eva fans are just asspained in general over the new Rebuilds so far.

>>147659222
I'm not
They're fun

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>>147658564
>he actually thinks is only the Reifags

>>147658990
The Rebuilds focus on Rei very negatively while at the same time giving oostivw focus to e.g Asuka.

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>>147658251
I thought it was a succession of Selee members throughout history.

>>147660606
Positive*

>>147660464
Fuck off nigger

It's still very fucking odd to think that Mari is very close to being canon lesbian thanks to the manga.

Like, fuck, what is the point? I thought she was Otaku bait but this feels more like Anno inserting his wife in the show along with his cuck fantasies of seeing her making out with other woman.

>>147660937
>Mari is very close to being canon lesbian thanks to the manga.
look here
>>147645138

>>147618049
Yes, but not in the way you are thinking she is.

She's the embodiment of what Anno thinks is wrong with Evangelion, she's the kind of hotblooded "fun" pilot mechafags want. She's another pretty girl for the otaku crowd to stroke their dicks to.

And she's terrible, she doesn't fit into that world at all. And I would like to believe that Anno is lucid enough to see this. So there is no way that she isn't intentional.
After all, Anno hates the people who like Eva and this is for them.

>>147661269
She is based on Anno's wife so I doubt she is what Anno thinks is wrong.

>>147661306
She is what Anno thinks doesn't belong in Eva. Her being based on his wife would only reinforce that point.

>>147661306
>based on Anno's wife
care to explain, this is new to me

>>147661269
>I know what Anno is thinking

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Mari is one of the most jobbing characters I ever witnessed in any form of media.

Loses most battles, couldn't get the senpai she wanted once, spends 14 years with another one just to be pushed aside again and despite being supposedly big in the intrigues is absolutely useless in them.

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>>147661395
Anno isn't much of an enigma.
We know that he doesn't like what Eva has turned into. And he does like the money, so he can't actively speak up against the people too much.
None of these points are far-fetched, considering these two points.

>>147660675
Nah, Gendo says they could have lived forever but it's time for them to hit the road

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I wish Rei looked like this by default, but with even bigger titties and a fatter ass.

>>147661486
>>147661353
>>147661269
Bullshit. No source and it contradicts reality.
>>147660937
Mari was created to pander along with Asuka in the Rebuilds.

>>147619039
This is true. I remember watching a fan sub of EoE back in the 90s a friend got from the flea market. Knew some foreign exchange students in middle school that had info on these things. The movie really was a fuck you to the otaku fanbase. I did not understand what it was about at the time. Even then I knew this series of pretentious garbage.

So I feel lucky never being invested in it at all.

>>147631531
money, dear boy

>>147661746
It doesn't contradict anything at all.
And I did address the pandering, didn't I?

>>147660937
>>147661306
Mari isn't based on his wife.
The proposal of adding a new character was made by the sponsors, not Khara and Anno.

>>147661925
The proposal, but the staff made the character. Sadamoto feels particularly strong about her, considering how much in the design and all that, thus why he went out of his way to add her in the manga.

>>147661486
>>147661809
Let's even say this bullishit were true, he sounds in heavy denial
>she's ironic
>I didn't want to add a sexy girl because I like them or anything it's meta-commentary on the series and fanbase
>i-i-it's sarcastic I swear

>>147661747
>show Asuka's tits
>Shinji gets a tounge kiss from Misato
>giant naked Rei
>Asuka keeps flashing Shinji
It was fanservice plain and simple, get over yourself

>>147662055
We know that already you fucking retard.

>>147662117
But the fanservice had meaning

>>147662057
Why can't it be both?
Why can you not use something you enjoy to do criticism?

>>147662055
please continue...

>>147662177
Yeah, a ton of marketing potential and people going
>HOLY CRAP ASUKA TITTIES
>HOLY SHIT REI TITS

>>147662117
>It was fanservice plain and simple, get over yourself
No shit, that is why It is pretentious garbage. A fanbase making it out to be something deeper than it really is, and than shitting on them for it. Can you not read or lack the comprehension of it?

>>147662868
It was still excellent fanservice with great production values

Hope than Final kill this series.
I love eva but i really hate Anno.
I do not understand why he hate something than save his life in the past.

>>147662939
Which is all it'll ever be known for. Its popularity is a meme for normalfags seeing "ANIMES" for the first time. I have more respect for a fag's first anime being Sailormoon and Dragonball Z.

>>147663238
And that's bad?
Excellent fanservice with really great girls, cool mechas, phenomenal monster designs, sensational soundtrack, badass characters like Gendo and Kaji, over the top insane story and lore with huge depth and a lot of hidden trivia
And starting from EoE the production values were fantastic too, it's an amazing series that deserves the recognition and fame it gets and has

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My hand slipped onto something soft. Sorry.

>>147661809
The idea that Anno hates Evangelion and whatnot is too loose. That he "hates what it has become".

Some parts of it, yeah, but you need to be more specific.

>>147662868
>>147662117
The characters in EoE get their characters continued and finalized in a more than well-meaning manner.

Movies are allowed to have nudity, intimacy and yes, even sex - without it being fanservice. Any number of works from Blade Runner to Barry Lyndon has sex and nudity in it, and so does EoE.

So don't give us that shit.

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Whoopsy daisy

>>147662260
Because it doesn't fit Anno's MO, nor does it even have a critical effect.

Introducing Mari as he has done has had the following consequences:

- Add a marketable character that sells through sex
- Increase the popularity of characters such as Asuka, as she gets a lesbian counterpart in Mari and that draws in a huge yuri-crowd

It's not intended to critique, it's intended to sell and popularize.

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>>147664258
Its just regurgitated opinions coined as "facts" at this point.

>>147664258
He's claimed that, too. At least the promotion before 1.0 was that success had made the franchise disorganized and misunderstood and the movies were intended to clarify it. Simultaneous to claiming he'd watched the show for the first time just before pre-production and was surprised it was interesting. Then he didn't say anything like that being the intent of Rebuild again.

>>147664903
In what part of what you wrote or what your cite is there anything that proves that "Anno hates what EVA has become" on a general basis?

>>147664794
Precisely. You can arrest Anno on some cases of disliking Eva's popularity, but only in very limited ways - and in ways that make around half of the fanbase deny it because it doesn't fit their internal fanbase agenda.

>>147664595
If anything is done simply to please the fans with no other reason it's fanservice
This can apply to anything
From nudity, to sexy poses, from gore to violence
And fanservice isn't a bad thing, but you need to acknowledge it as such

>>147665147
Take e.g Misato's kiss - she's established as sexual person who can expresses herself like this. It's not a good thing, it makes her pathetic.

I don't acknowledge it as fanservice at all, because fanservice is reserved for parts of a work that is solely intended to be, and is in effect, fanservice.

Someone drinking a cup of tea can be interpreted as fanservice if there are fans who are serviced by watching someone drinking a cup of tea.

What you think of as "fanservice" is merely parts of a work depicting life.

>>147665295
You do know there is a thing called food porn right?
That's a kind of fanservice as well

>>147655829
>2.22 had the lead characters finally making decisions everyone had wanted to see for years. Shinji grows a spine, Rei shows emotion, all this on top of decent action and guess what? Third impact.
I have to agree.
I remember when 2.22 came out, some Asukafag loved that the movie finally gave justice to Asuka. They made her relatable, a badass, a (real) tsundere and even made her cook! At the end of the movie, she even laments that she needs to grow as a person and to accept her flaws. Something the original Asuka would never do.

And then BAM 3.33 comes along.
Rei is even more deadpan and not the same character. Asuka hasn't grown up or changed (because of the curse of Eva), Kaworu is still gay but get's his head blown off. And Mari has still done nothing except be eyecandy.

I forgot where I read it but 1.11 is basically a 1:1 recreation of Eva. 2.22 is what the fans wanted out of Eva and 3.33 is what Eva truly is.
So we'll see how that theory stacks up when 3.33+1.11 comes out.

>>147665402
That dumb theory was about the numbers being "editions"
1.11 is what Eva is
2.22 is what fans think it is
3.33 is what Anno thinks it is
And apparently 1.11+3.33 is what Eva is + what Anno thinks it is
I don't like this theory, it sounds stupid

>>147665402
Final will be a thematic repeat of 1.0 updated with the lore of 3.0, but this time Shinji will do it "right"

>>147630808
To be honest they didn't do shit with her, in 2.0 it seemed like they could have a purpose for her but then on 3.0 she did jack shit, just like Asuka that has no purpose in surviving the angel attack in 2.0... 3.0 was such a fucking train wreck.

>>147660606
That really wasn't my impression. Shinji is looking for Rei all over that last one, or not. It was like Asuka didn't even exist for him anymore iirc

>>147665608
I dunno, we'll see.
1.11 was simply mecha fighting awesomeness with a bigger budget without any philosophical or psychological view to it.

There needs a 4.0 to see if that theory holds any validity.

>>147661925
>The proposal of adding a new character was made by the sponsors
Is there proof of this?

>>147665402
>I have to agree.
Oh fuck off. I don't know if you're replying to yourself, but what you wrote was just bullshit.

The most hardcore Asukafags were outraged at 2.22, something a quick trip down the 4chan archive or a quick trip to evageeks will tell you. So fuck your shitty made up anecdote.

The facts are that 3.33 is made to pander to otaku exclusively, whilst 2.22 is a movie that can stand on it's own and be understood by the general audience, something it has in common with NGE.

>>147665771
Notice how you think of "Rei" as how Shinji relates to her? That's the problem. Rei as her own character is gone completely, and without any exception whatsoever, has her character been weaker than the originals. The opposite goes for the other characters.

Kick off the shipping goggles.

>>147665608
It's a retarded theory.

>>147665894
Even if it was suggested by a sponsor, Anno would still have the full power to deny it.


You see, Anno owns:

-The IP
-The Studio that makes Rebuild
-The Project of making Rebuild itself

plus he's got unofficial veto-rights because he's fucking Hideaki Anno and the rest have to lick his boots.

Anno explained that he used only his own money in funding the Rebuilds, that he isn't reliant on other investors.

>b-but why is there investors in Rebuild then?!
Because Anno can then make more money on merchandise, you fucking idiot.

>>147665915
Rei was alway a blank sheet of paper. That was her appeal: Perfect material for projection or -put more positively- the perfect female in terms of devotion and service to the point of absolute selflessness.

>>147666063
Thanks, that's what I thought.

>>147666081
That is what every butthurt Asukafag and Rei-hater tells themselves before they go to sleep at night.

Rei in the original was nothing like that, and the slew of insults you just came with is exactly why jealous bitches do when they can't deal with reality.

The facts are, as always, that if you make a Rei that is a blank sheet of paper perfect for projection - it's not Rei. Not even if you put it in a huge movie and sell it to everyone, it's unpopular.

No one gives a crap about Rei Q anon, or any of the other similar "Rei's" they've shat out since.

>>147666081
Sounds more like Asuka, desu. She has an unfinished blank character in NGE, and it's part of the story that she's blindly devoted to the masters that brainwashed her. Rei actually wrecked the people and the guy who tried to control her life, Asuka was just the equivalent of a gibsmedat director favorite who got everything for free - AKA the perfect otaku waifu.

Hell, Anno even makes a point of this by showing Asuka as just a sex object to be jerked off to, as she lies there like the lifeless sex object she is.

#canonfacts

>>147665915
>>147665915
>Oh fuck off. I don't know if you're replying to yourself, but what you wrote was just bullshit.
Wow, calm your ass you shit, not everyone is a samefag.

>The most hardcore Asukafags were outraged at 2.22, something a quick trip down the 4chan archive or a quick trip to evageeks will tell you. So fuck your shitty made up anecdote.
Says the guy giving his own anecdote.

What part of 3.33 was made to pander to otaku?

>>147665915
>it's bad that the 3rd movie in a series can't stand on its own
Fuck off
If you watch episode 23 of Eva with no prior knowledge you can't expect to understand everything

>>147666214
>Rei in the original was nothing like that
She was and it wasn't meant as an insult. Reread my post maybe.
Her personality is hidden, she put it behind a life of duty. It surfaces for moments, but eventually that we are free to speculate and project onto her is her primary appeal. She i perfection, in that aspect.

>>147665771
You dense or something? 3.33 makes it pretty damned clear that it's interpretable as Shinji being punished for liking Rei.

>buddies up with Rei in 1.11
>tries to save Rei in 2.22
>the world is destroyed and everyone hates him in 3.33 for it

Now unless this is ironic and meant to showcase the fanbase as disgusting people who hate Shinji for liking Rei, which is damned unlikely, then what just happened here is obvious.

>>147666376
Asuka shows emotions constantly and displays character. It's an absolutely annoying one but you can't say she's not a character.

>>147666081
That's untrue. While Rei mostly remained emotionless, she was not completely emotionless during the entire story.

Rei being an actual blank sheet of paper is the Rei you got in 3.33 that was literally nothing.

>>147666436
Fuck off

No one was saying that you should watch 3.33 on it's own. It can't stand on it's own even if you watch the prequels.