Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1678

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今日も一日旅するぞい

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おはよう

おにいちゃん

おにいちゃんは

どうしておにいちゃん

Don't give up! You CAN learn Mandarin!

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Boy, am I glad that threat is finally over.
Now I can slack off again like before.

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Haikei /djt/

I have just recently became self aware of my fetish for pigtails.

But I am also aware, that only Japanese girls in highschool and lower wear these.

And so, how can I convince my potentially future japanese girlfriend to wear pigtails for me?

>>147450128
お疲れ様でございます

よいふぁっく夜。

>>147450193
You can't learn Japanese gf.

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Help

>>147450304
The radicals in that couldn't possibly be anymore obviously

>>147450193
Lets just try to accomplis step one nefore we think about steps two or three yea?

>>147450269
こんばんふぁっくわ?
こんふぁっくぼんわ?

>>147450304
maji

>イカす皿にのせて
>イカ
What? Is this supposed to be literally?

I've been studying for almost 7 weeks why am I not fluent yet

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>>147450285
>>147450384
that won't be for a while a though

>>147450959
同じ先輩

>>147450780
Thanks!

>>147450802
烏賊

Getting connection errors everytime I try to post, been doing this over 10 times now.

>>147451135
Learn radicals

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>>147450304
そんな漢字もあるんだー

なんか何かが多い感じだね

What ブツンッて means?
I really doubt is "button"

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>Terrible at handwriting and drawing
>Do decently with most Hiragana, but a few of them give me trouble
>Get to ぬ

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>>147424907
なるほどね、頑張ろう。
>>147426467
For the research level, if you are not bullshitting and have near-perfect score on N1 and are fluent in english you pretty much passed. BUT you don't have to be an autistic fuck in the interview, act as normie as you can and don't even dare to mention anime.

All the weeaboos I know who applied to monbukagakusho just because of anime got rejected (except the really smart or persistent ones, like 俺様)

You should really practice your interview and have your documents clean, like you should start preparing your research plan right now and do 1000 revisions.

（ところで、勉強のアドバイスある？どうすればいいかな..）

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>>147451669
ブツンってどんなときにつかうかなー

ふとい鋼線が引き千切れる時とかかなあとおもうよ

「ミカ女」ってどういう意味なの？
「はなひらっ」でこの言葉が出てきた
辞書で調べてみたけど、何も見つからなかった

>>147451814
アニメが好きって言ってもいいと思うよ
でも何で日本の大学に行きたいって聞かれたときにアニメのためだ！を言わないでね

Today I did Anki for 38 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 8 minutes.

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How important is stroke order, really? How religiously does /a/ follow proper stroke order?
In something like pic related, if I do 1,2,3,4,5,6, I have a hard time getting the size right and everything lining up evenly. It seems much easier and more intuitive to do 1,3,2,6,4,5. Or even 3,2,1,6,4,5

What are some good native podcasts? I wanna immerse myself in people talking in ways that isnt just anime.

>>147452611
Just watch Japanese ASMR

>>147452525
Get a peice of paper, try messing up the stroke order or any english letter.

It makes the shape look different, even if you're quite good at doing it the wrong way.

>>147452670
I think we had this conversation already anon. I want it sounding natural, not ASMR.

>>147452525
Doing stroke 2 before stroke 3 is important because it makes it easier to line up 1,2 and 3 neatly

If you did 3 before 2 you're more likely to have strokes overlapping

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Who needs VNs or LNs when you can just read long-winded amazon reviews?

>>147452722
pff. Having lolis lick your ears is the best way to learn japanese

>>147452525
筆順はちゃんと出来なかったら、自殺の方がいい

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>>147452462
Probably a good idea not to mention anime and manga in your application. There may be some ways to get away with it but better safe than sorry, trust me. I've talked with the embassy personally and in the interview, they are all serious scholarly anthropologist folk who really like the idea of sharing culture and language. They don't like the idea of sending people to japan who have no idea why they want to go besides anime and their waifu.

But, this is just an advice. Do as you please.

>>147452793
Is English really so hard for you?

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>>147452525
stroke order is important to the point that your handwriting will be completely illegible if you don't follow it religiously

radical shapes are basically defined by their stroke order, if you try to write quickly without the right stroke order it just won't come out like it's supposed to look

>>147452928
So practicing as much as one can is a bad thing?
This could explain why no one here ever gets past intermediate level

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>>147453033
Why did he write that 介 the wrong way round

>>147451814
>>147452835
That's nice to hear. I thought the research plan will be the most important thing, makes sense.

>>147453044
There are places to practice and an American English-speaking forum might not be the best one to do it in.

>>147452835
でもアニメは日本の文化の一部じゃないか
特に好きことがないよりアニメが好きは文学者にとって良いはず
もちろん一番大事な理由は研究がしたいけど

>>147453288
this is the official nippongo thread so there really shouldnt be any reason to get your panties in a twist over somebody typing to you in nippongo buddy

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>>147453288
>and an American English-speaking forum might not be the best one to do it in.
God fucking damn, you monolingual monkeys

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>>147453288
>American
>English

それ矛盾でしょ

>>147453516
>>147453555
If I wanted to practice baseball, would it better to go to a baseball field with other baseball players or should I take my bat to the basketball court and hope someone there will play with me?

>>147453658
>American English, also called United States English or U.S. English, is the set of varieties of the English language native to the United States

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>>147453726
お前ホンットわかってないな

>>147453726
どっちでもいいよ
As long as you manage to get your hands on a bat and practice, any approach is valid

>>147453878
One will inherently yield better results, though. The other will be a greater waste of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EFdA3YfFB4

>when you're not used to output, need to read in the language for a while shortly before you begin

I wouldn't expect that this is unusual, but I think that this is the first time that I've seen Steve talk about it.

>>147453939
you're wasting time here too aren't you

let's not try to kid ourselves here

>>147453939
And that's why you're here. This is the place to practice.
It's not like we're dropping you in the middle of Japan and expecting you to do well.
If there's something you don't understand, you can just ask.

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Someone pass the 大丈夫ソース

>>147454073
>>147454091
Learning and practicing are different.

>>147454230
Wrong

>>147454283
Learning is the acquisition of knowledge.
Practicing is the performance of a skill or activity.
They are different things. Maybe you should try learning English before tackling Japanese.

>>147454073
>>147454091

I view DJT less as a practice ground and more as a support community.

If you were to liken us to people working out, we would be the forum where people who work out gather to talk to other people who work out. Obviously, being on the forum isn't working out, but it has use as a place to learn technique, ask questions, find resources, share experiences, and keep your motivation up. It's a constructive place for people who work out to relax.

That's what DJT is to Japanese learning.

>>147454431

>practicing doesn't result in the acquisition of knowledge

Then why the fuck are you doing it?

>>147454530
You don't practice to learn. You practice to improve.

>>147454431
So one cannot learn something by practicing or immersing oneself in that particular subject?
Fuck off, monolingual anglo retard. You clearly have no idea of how learning a language works.

>>147454475
I'd rather have people here stuttering in Japanese than shitposting and having fruitless discussions like this one.

>>147454530
>>147454695
You don't learn anything by practicing. Learning is acquiring NEW knowledge. Practice is honing EXISTING knowledge.
How do you not know what words mean?

>>147454754
Learning is merely a consequence of practicing

>Learning is acquiring NEW knowledge
No. Learning is perfecting the knowledge you already have by means of practice.

>>147454685
>>147454754

>improve in a mental skill without gaining new knowledge

How the fuck does this work?

>learn a new word from reading
>grammar concept clicks
>gain intuitive understanding of what's natural

These are all new knowledge. A lot of things can only be learned by doing. When it comes to mental skills and questions of technique, practice is learning.

Need to wake up in 4 hours to drive 3 hours to a job interview. What should I do /djt/?

>>147454994
>What should I do /djt/?
Anki reps

>>147454840
>>147454983
Do you think I'm making this stuff up off the top of my head? Open a dictionary.

>>147454994
Post about it in a thread about learning Japanese

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>>147455035
>the activity or process of gaining knowledge or skill by studying, PRACTICING, being taught, or EXPERIENCING SOMETHING
Done.

>>147455173
>the activity or process of gaining knowledge or skill by studying
Thanks for proving my point.

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>>147455266
Nice straw man, mate

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great discussion here, adding it to the djt hall of fame

>>147455266
>literally saying that practicing isn't a study method
kys my man

>>147455356
>>147455592
>source quotes me nearly ver batim
>somehow I'm wrong

>>147455782
You're just taking advantage of a loophole in the definition and using it as an argument, senpai

Also
>"hehe I'll use an expression in latin hehe this will definitely show him hehe"
>fucks up
lmao

>>147454212
I only got 大変ソース here, sorry man.

Pros/Cons to the different grammar guides? i.e. Tae Kim, Japanese—The Manga Way, DoJG, etc?

>>147456546
dojg is a dictionary and not a guide
tae kim is pretty good
can't speak for the manga one

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>>147454212
I don't think that sentence really refers to some kind of sauce, senpai
At least I interpreted it like this: なんとか大丈夫そう（だ）っす

In which っす is a colloquial form (or maybe a dialectal form) of です

>>147454212
>>147456698
なんとか大丈夫（だ）そうっす*
Oops, fixed

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和風 waifu?

Watching anime makes the listening section of jlpt feel slow.

>>147440431
>>147441137
Thanks anon. Looks neat.

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>>147456854
いいっスね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W3sslyiUfg

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>>147457913
Okay

>>147457011
try watching people talk casually on youtube

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>Introducing ourselves in class after learning some phrases
>Girl stands up and says in slow, broken Japanese:
>"わたし　は　にほんご　はんぶん　です"

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>>147458383
>he doesnt にほんごはんぶん

>>147458383
Was she hafu and retarded or just retarded?

>>147457011
That's because JLPT listening section is slow

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>>147458383
赤旗

>>147458488
She was trying to say "半分日本人" I think, she had a Japanese sounding last name.

I've been wanting to start importing manga in japanese.
However I'm still not fully confident with my language skills, I will probable have problems to understand everything completely, should I go for it?

>>147458638
>I will probable have problems to understand everything completely, should I go for it?
Yes. Just don't aim too high.

いやらしい目で見下して御主人様！

>>147457913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIPXpadBEU

Holy fuck those two are 可愛すぎ

>>147458692
>just don't aim too high
>manga
He probably isn't
Just don't get Moyashimon or something

>>147458638
Having a physical copy is a good motivator to read above your level. At least it was for me.

Just figure out a relatively convenient way to look up words (and add them to anki) so it doesn't take more than 20 seconds for each one or you will be too frustrated to continue reading.

>>147458849
Hey, fuck you, man
I didn't come her to feel

>八百万（や・お・よろず）
ＮＨＫにようこそ、ありがとう

>>147458949
Trust me I regret finding it too

I'm supposed to be in bed but I can't stop watching it

>>147459140
Watch anime that aren't CGDCT
That way you get actual practice without having to subject yourself to drama

>>147459186
>having to subject yourself to drama
But some of them are really good.

>>147459288
Any recommendations?

Not the guy you were talking to, and my vocab is a little weak but I think I'm getting to the point where I can start watching this stuff without getting too lost.

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New Game! is over.

I cried.

>>147459155
I can't stop watching them and their cuteness either
Fuck you, I feel so lonely now ;__;

Who /creep/ here?

Ate lunch today near a nip couple and decided to try and eavesdrop to see how much I could understand.

I think they were talking about anime, but I couldn't hear some of what they were saying, and they were nips in at least early to mid twenties no less so I expected them to detest otakushit. I for sure heard anime, isekai, kurikaesu, dekai yatsu and omoshiroi but then again they were talking before I sat down so I don't know the context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljsUVDOcYB0

>>147459623
>and they were nips in at least early to mid twenties no less so I expected them to detest otakushit
From my knowledge people hating on anime in Japan are extremely rare, everyone has seen and liked anime over there pretty much, this is not the US or Europe.
>isekai
Re:Zero probably.

>>147458638
What >>147458893 said, I'd recommend using the google translate pen tool to draw Kanji words you can't read to then rikai them. Doesn't take much more than a few seconds.

>they told me I would burn out at 30 words a day
>average is now ~70

How do you guys study grammar? Just reading Tae kim isn't really making it sink in.

>>147460182
How many reviews are you doing daily?

>>147460410
600-1000 depending on how much I add and whether I use the cram feature that day

>>147459772
I don't really have a specific genre in mind, just looking for anywhere to start

Also have no clue where to look for this stuff other than raredoramas and the usual places. Though I did manage to pick up 花子とアン and アオイホノオ somewhere, know if either of those going to be dictionary intensive?

Wew, just realized Tae Kim's Grammar Guide has some mistakes nearing the end

>>147460396
Just reading a guide isn't going to make it sink in, you need to practice. Reading and listening both. Just like learning to drive, there's only so much theory you can ingest before practical skill has to take over. The sooner you leave the nest the sooner you will fly.

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>>147460396
by reading

>>147460576
>>147460609
But how do I read if I don't understand the grammar?

>>147460677
Then refer to Tae Kim.

>>147460677
look if you don't want to learn japanese no one is making you

>>147460677
Nigga you telling me you can't even retain information for one fucking hour? You read this shit and it's out of your brain 5 minutes later?
I only got one thing to say to that: 出来ない

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>>147460553
I watched all of 花子とアン
Especially in the beginning there's a lot of dialect, but I don't remember there being any extraordinary vocab. It was a pretty decent drama. Also there should be Japanese softsubs for it available.

The other one I didn't watch so no clue.

>>147460739
I can't possibly intake all the grammar in tae kim in one hour. Basically what I know is "negative whatever is usually something along the lines of じゃない," "はmeans what we're talking about", "ます、means polite, です is normal".

>>147460730
Yeah. I just don't know how to get a base so I even know what I'm looking at.

>>147460732
I want to though

>>147460916
Learning takes time. Be diligent and study every day. Read one to two Tae Kim lessons a day, watch anime every day, study Kanji, pick an easy manga and force yourself to read every day.

Learning is a matter of discipline, work every day and you'll progress.

>I can't possibly intake all the grammar in tae kim in one hour.
What kind of comment is that? I want to tell you to go fuck yourself with your trolling right now, but since you're probably genuinely asking I'll refrain from doing so, in exchange please reflect on your learning perspective.

>>147461081
>What kind of comment is that?

to be fair, the guy he is replying to said "you cant even retain info for one hour?"

People talking about good beginner dramas, any good advice for beginner anime? (for people with weak vocab)?

I hear DBZ might be good because you probably already know the story, but what else would you recommend?

>>147461230
Oh oops, just woke up.

>>147460916
Add core2k6k to the list too.

>>147461295
Any high school SoL really.

>>147461304
Yeah, what this anon said
>>147461230

I wasn't seriously saying I expect to learn it all in an hour.

I am doing the core 2k, I'm like 5 days in.

>>147461295
Oreimo
Harems basically

>>147461346
Stuff focused on comedy as opposed to romance tends to be a bit harder

>>147461394
I apologize. Keep it up.

>>147461346
Really? I'd recommend the opposite, something with spectacle that isn't so dialogue heavy. Probably something skewed to a more childish audience so they keep it simple. SoL anime tends to have little context to conversations outside of the classic tropes (sweatdrops, nosebleeds and random falling)

>>147460396
I watch anime

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Am I the only one who is embarrassed by the amount stories there are about white guys get laid constantly in Japan? It makes me feel like i perverted norm and look down upon japanese women more.

I rather be associated with being a weeaboo.

>>147461295
Teekyuu is great

>>147461795
Japanese women don't have sex, the stories are lies.

>>147461795
Just know that those white guys will never be known as anything aside from those "white guys". You will never be seen as an actual person in Japan. You are defined by your whiteness.

>>147461795
I don't care what people do I just wish they didn't blog about it here.

>>147461795
強引に俺らに中出しされるは彼女たち大好き

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Why the fuck is 小吉 higher ranking than 吉

Why, Japanese people?

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>>147461835
>>147461954
>>147462144
Guess you're all neutral. Im just depressed because I feel like I should spend the time I have not fucking girls, learning a talent.
>>147462316
I hope Im better than you one day.

>>147462494
why not do that then

you've got all the time not spent fucking girls in the world

>>147462494
You probably already are since I'm a virgin, I was just practicing my jpn :(

>>147462494
People like you who "subtly" feels the need to tell others they fuck generally haven't even done it much compared to those who never brings it up.

>>147462494
Nothing is stopping you from learning. Once you learn not to care what other people do you'll be happier.

>火薬

Have some 火薬 to go with your lead aspirin.

I've only been trying to learn for 3 days now, and I've got 35 Hiragana "memorized" in the sense that I can identify them almost every time very quickly with that kana teacher website, but it takes me about half an hour to write all 35 characters out. Summoning them from memory is painful. Is this normal, and is the only way to fix it to get to the basic reading and writing level? Should I just be thankful at this point that I can identify the Hiragana I've learned when I see them, try to learn the other 11 or so that remain as quickly as possible, and then start writing basic words in Hiragana to speed up writing ability, while I'm also learning Katakana?

>>147463965
No one here really practices writing.

>>147464066
Writing helps you memorize them though, so it's a good idea to at least be able to do it.

>>147463965
I literally forgot how to write the kana

Why is downloading an Anki set good? I tried Anki some time ago by adding words by myself when I found them, and I only could remember the words of which I also remembered the original context at first. So I don't see why having a bunch of words you're completely unfamiliar with would help.

>>147463965
I've had no problem with it, probably because I have been writing them by hand since I started.

>>147463965

Just read a lot. As your mind makes practical use of the characters, they'll sink in. Save the handwriting practice for later.

I actually never wrote the katakana down while learning them. I picked it up completely from reading.

>>147464131
>>147464205
Sounds like I'm just getting ahead of myself then. I guess I'll save fast handwriting and being able to produce the characters for later and just focus on reading and understanding.

>>147455929
>>147455356
>>147455173
You guys are fucking dumb.

>>147464102
Any contact with characters helps you memorize but early writing will delay immersion

When I try to type kana I'm getting seemingly random characters with Google IME. Does anyone know what the deal is? Just started randomly yesterday or so.

>>147464499
What do you mean by immersion? That it will take longer to start reading and doing anything of value with the knowledge?

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>>147459589
But now you can move to he manga, Its really good. Most of it is an easy read other than a few Specific company or video game development terms.

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>>147464548
Yeah I'm planning to pick it up soon as my daily chapter manga when I'll be done with the lolicon one.

I'm already reading a LN as serious reading at the moment and picked up >>147457214 so I don't have much slot left for New Game at the moment, but soon!

>>147464541
Yeah exactly. It's good to do enough writing /individual character practice to learn the radicals and to distinguish close pairs, but other than that is only if you need it in the next year or so.

>haven't watched anime episodes in weeks
at least i watched 君の名は and read a couple manga volumes from book off that counts as practice right

Where do I find Japanese subtitles for anime?

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>>147464494
KEK

>>147465716
the internet

>>147466006
epic

>>147466244
Where on the internet?

>>147466394
Yes.

>>147466451
Can you recommend some sites that have subs?

If so, please, share this information with me.

>>147466498
You would know already if you weren't a retard too stupid to check the obvious place

>>147465068
Any example of what you can do?

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>think ive cracked は and が usage
>never ever baby

>>147465716
>>147466498
It's in the guide.
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

>>147466675
Huh. I looked in the guide and couldn't find this. Thanks.

>>147466498
Animelon. It isn't in the guide.

>>147466244
>>147466451
>>147466633
Kill yourself, faggot.

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本当?

>>147467068
I can still see the nipple.

>>147467068
確認しようか

>>147466675
Great site, too bad the timing for the subtitles is usually off by a lot, and the spreadsheet is barren as fuck for delay times.

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I should have never taken that day off anki, that one day led to 1 month

>>147466988
your an idiot

>>147467265
there is no working delay time because any delay time will be messed up when another commercial hits

Just open it in a text editor. If you're decent at japanese you shouldn't have subs constantly turned on anyway

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おにいちゃん

たいへん

たいふうだよ

たいふうが

たいふうだよ！

>>147468139
死なないでください。

>>147468139
台風は２つで足りなかった

>>147451747

ぬ is probably one of my favorite kana to draw. そ however gives me cancer.

>>147468246
ふ has always been my worst one.

>>147468115
The problem is I'm not decent at Japanese. I'm trying to use subtitles in hopes it will increase my listening skills until I can go without them

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>>147468246
あたしもこども、３さいくらいのとき

>く
>と
>よ
>を

の四文字は書きにくかったよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

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>>147468456
つまり、今はもうこどもじゃないってことか？

この嘘つけ、ずっと前から僕達のこころを遊んでて・・・よくも

Someone please tell me wtf エサケット is

>>147468841
いもうとは６歳の体のままで成長せず脳だけがおっさんになった結果

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>>147468317
I think ふ is fun to draw. I've always done it like this, in one fluid motion but lifting up the pen in between the separate strokes.

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>>147468841
そうだ
あたしはもう　はちさいだよ
もうこども　じゃないもん

>>147469090
you're doing the bottom left stroke in the wrong order

>たっぷりザーメン、くれてやるぞ！！

Is that grammatically correct? I thought if you're doing the action it always had to be あげる

Where do i go to read 2ch? What board do you recommend? What's the equivalent of /b/?

>>147470472
Rules don't apply when you're an anime

>>147470551
>Where do i go to read 2ch?
Probably the site itself.
Go open some boards that catch your eye and experiment.

>>147470687
>go to 4chan and pick a board and experiment

do you realise how stupid this sounds?

How do you call someone a faggot in Japanese? I've been checking my dictionaries but can't find any really suitable replacement.

>>147470754
No, lurking's never harmed anyone you shit

>>147451747
Is it even necessary to learn handwriting? I mean I can't even remember the last time I handwrote anything in English.

>>147470827
theres fucking 500+ boards, how do you expect my to know whats popular and whats good and not when i read like a snail

>>147470754
Do you know how stupid you sound randomly changing and omitting words then expecting someone to argue against it? Don't willfully try to incite shit.

>>147470855
for the kana you should just because you're going to learn how to write kana accidentally

for the kanji it's not necessary but I would recommend taking a small handful of characters and writing them until it becomes fun to do so

Do you guys vary your fonts when doing reviews or use the same fonts all the time?

I've been using a font randomizer for the past few months and was hard at first but now surprised how easily I can recognize kanji even in ridiculous squiggly looking fonts.

>>147470876
Stop being a little bitch and read faster then.

>>147470876
なんJ
ニュー速VIP
嫌儲 (news focused)

>>147470989
That's really good advice, I never considered doing that before, but now that you told me i have no clue how i didnt think of that before!

>>147470968
use a textbook font or use IPA gothic/mincho

https://mega.nz/#!tENkRAIJ!ynh1Jtw8mTeIxhH11fDVN3EYi__K4c7bkjJFTEvbJPg

毎日、日本語を勉強する。

Study Japanese everyday.

How can "study" be a noun here? Isn't it used like the english verb "to study"?

>>147471029
That's what I originally did but I think my recognition is much better when I randomize among a list of a bunch of different types of fonts.

>>147471072
its a verb because of suru. that makes words nouns

>>147471019
Damn straight. Life gets much better when you just suck it up and not act like pmsing bitch all the time.

>>147471121
So is "毎日、日本語を勉強" just incorrect? Shouldn't that mean the same thing?

>>147471102
you could randomize between just those three

>>147471175
i meant suru makes nouns into verbs. oops

>>147471194
That... Makes even less sense. How can you take a thing and turn it into an action? Is the sentence 毎日、日本語を勉強 correct, grammatically? Why not?

>>147471262
wo has to have a verb in the sentance or its gramatically incorrect

>>147471262
>How can you take a thing and turn it into an action?
This is easy:
My study (is going well)
To study

>>147471262
Look at it as the opposite of something that exists in english.

English:

>retain
>retention

Japanese:

>温存する
>温存

>>147471302
Isn't 勉強 a verb? To study?

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>>147462453
holyshit I remember watching this. My boss my Hero is another easy drama if people wanna try.

>>147471262
This is a boring post.

Did you enjoy posting it?

>>147471387
No and no.

Without the する it just refers to the activity we call "study". With the する it means "DO study".

勉強 べんきょう (n,vs) study; diligence; discount; reduction; (P)

You see that "vs"? That means the word *can't* be a noun without a する. There's lots of them.

http://www.edrdg.org/wwwjdic/wwwjdicinf.html#code_tag

>>147449495
did any of you guys learn stroke order? And by that I mean, any of you actually use it for writing instead of just memorizing the character?

Can I just skip stroke order if I'm just gonna read japanese?

>>147471523
Can't be a *verb*.

It's a noun until you add the する to make it a verb.

>>147470786
死

>>147471523
>>147471566
Oooh. That makes more sense then. Thank you. Esp explaining the (n,vs) thing. It's very helpful!

>>147471526
>Can I just skip stroke order if I'm just gonna read japanese?
How are you going to look up words you don't recognize, if you aren't aware of the radicals and the number of strokes?

There's nothing difficult about stroke order, it quickly becomes second nature.

You don't have to pay so much attention to it now if you're just starting out, but stop looking to be told you don't need to learn something if you truly desire to be literate.

>>147471642
>How are you going to look up words you don't recognize, if you aren't aware of the radicals and the number of strokes?
Some cool people here are nice enough to offer help.

>>147471726
This cool site called google translate will translate all the text you could ever see.

These cool groups will translate and sub any anime you want to watch.

etc.

>>147471726
I think you're either underestimating the amount of words you'll eventually have to look up, or overestimating how useful and considerate 4chan is.

I'm not trying to scare you off, but seriously, you're looking for shortcuts when those shortcuts are simply avoiding the building blocks that will aid you with the actual difficult stuff later on.

Just because you can sprint at the start of the race doesn't mean you're going to make it to the finish line.

>>147471855
>American education

>>147471855
If you can't read the Yokohama dialect you can't claim to know japanese

>>147471642
Mouse over them in a text hooker, of course?

>>147472045
I know this is a troll but it made me irrationally angry so 7/10.

Imagine you're a positive member of society and in a job interview.

The interview asks "What is your favourite language, and if you could change one thing about it what would it be?"

How do you answer?

>>147472146
Vietnamese.

Bring back Chu Nom.

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たいふうが！

かみなりが！かみなりが！

あめが！かぜが！

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>>147470296
?

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>>147472174

>>147472476
direction

>>147472512
Oh yeah that's what you meant, indeed. I wasn't him by the way.

>>147472462
妹ちゃん気をつけてくださいね

>>147472551
ya

>>147472462
風速は？

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>>147472174
それは

中国語頑張ろうね
絶対出来る

>>147472462
素晴らしい世界だな

>>147471808
Except you don't need to know stroke order to look up kanji or be literate, you retard.

>>147472174
what

What's a good and easy LN I could read in bed? I'm relatively intermediate so I wouldn't have to look up that much. I got pretty sick but I don't wanna miss out on reading.

>>147472860
>I got pretty sick
どうしたの

>>147472860
ココロコネクト

>>147472072
Did it make you angry because you realized that you wasted hundreds of hours doodling on Google Translate or picking radicals on Jisho while the rest of us were learning Japanese?

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>>147472563
３時間後にちょくげきコースにはいったんだよ！いまさら無理だよ！

>>147472573
傘が１秒で壊れるくらいは吹いてるよ！

>>147473051
日本に屍姦は禁止でしょうか

>>147473048
not that guy but im happy i 'wasted my time' with a radical deck considering all the titles in stylized fonts not even googles mobile OCR can read

>>147473150
You can read Japanese better than Google Translate? Wow I'm very impressed. Please tell me more!

>>147473183
>google translate
>google OCR which is mentioned in the guide

nice reading comprehension faggot

>>147473150
Radical decks aren't a waste of time, but using kanji look-up tools like Jisho or Google when you could use a texthooker is a waste of time.

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What is this supposed to say? It doesn't look like anything to me.

>>147473351
Do you realize texthookers don't work on everything? KanjiTomo isn't always reliable either. If none of these options are available then Kanji look-up tools it is.

They're just fucking tools, why the fuck are you holding such a condescending opinion on something so petty you fucking depressed shithead mosquito.

>>147473417
It says　レディットにもどれ

>>147473417
You could at least try to learn kana before you ask questions like that.

>>147473417
I would've told you if you didn't watch shitty anime

>>147472146
My favourite language is Japanese. If I could change one thing about it, I would remove okurigana completely and slowly phase out kana in favour of kanji. This will ensure the extinction of all weaboos.

How many months does it typically take to be able to start reading chit? I'm about 5 weeks in and my vocabulary and grammar is just wayyy too minimal to deal with Yotsuba, even with a guide.

>>147473461
I was condescending because they gave terrible advice to a beginner. Learning stroke order to use kanji look-up tools is retarded. I've had to use such tools maybe a dozen times in the process of learning 2500 kanji thanks to texthookers, and it barely even matters for Google anyway. Only learn stroke order if you want to write.

>>147473655
伝票

>>147473417
It clearly says レムって...誰のこと？

>>147473497
I just wasted 10 minutes staring at a kana chart because I believed you and thought I was being retarded.

Now I realize it isn't even in Japanese.

>>147473655
Do 60+ words a day like the cool kids and it will just take a couple months

>>147473782
Are you sure? Looks kind of like 凶 there to me.

>>147473691
How lazy are you that you can't learn something that takes like 30 minutes total and need to argue about it on the internet

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>>147473417
「あまりにもアニメを見る人間はゴミと同じ」
- 白玉君　

>>147474057
>あまりにもアニメを見る
Someone needs to watch more anime

>>147474086
「の」

how do i use だけで in a sentence?

>>147474146
お前のちんぽだけでいかされないよ

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I was reading the other day, and came across this page - it's quite easy to read from far away, but was difficult to make out on the printed page. I only recognized it once I paid attention to common stroke order.

>>147473048
I think you're confused - I advocated for neither of those, but looking an unknown kanji up by its radicals/strokes is an inevitable necessity. Being able to find the meaning of a new word in seconds rather than wasting minutes shouldn't be looked down upon; things can only be texthooked as far as they're typed and in a high enough resolution, so it's a silly, impractical advice that glosses over a serious problem and ignores reality.

>>147473351
OCR technology wrt kanji is pretty spotty still, and you should be learning how to /NOT/ use texthookers.

I mean if you're trying to only read forums posts and play VNs, it's whatever, but you shouldn't be applying something that's only useful in a limited scope to everything.

>>147473691
I mean, you're completely disregarding the fact that I said he didn't need to worry about it now as a beginner, but shouldn't get into the bad habit of looking for shortcuts to skip over the basics. Anyways.

What about learning how to read the written language? Not everything is typed, and for some people, learning to write is a necessity, because spoiler alert: different people have different styles of learning.

It's worse advice to tell a beginner, "Don't pay attention to stroke order! Don't worry about radicals!", when they're piss easy building blocks of the language. That's the sort of anti-encouragement leading to bad habits that make you either forever reliant on a texthooker, or burn out in low-intermediate hell. It's better to be upfront about the difficulties.

>>147474355
>I only recognized it once I paid attention to common stroke order.
oh boy this meme again

>thread constantly has people asking how to read something written
>"hurr durr learning stroke order to recognize a word to look up by yourself isn't an actual problem that exists"

/pol/ levels of wearing blinders

>>147474537
>people who know stroke order never have problems reading anything written
Stupidest thing I've read all week

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https://exhentai.org/s/0c2d8a4b84/399761-21
https://exhentai.org/s/9eeae26c45/403903-21
Which one?

Are there no decent alternatives to KanjiTomo on linux? What do you guys use? Do you just handwrite into google translate or something?

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How the fuck do you read 肉幹? Is it にくみき? にくかん? にっかん? This is driving me insane. Every five seconds I come across a new dirty word with a reading known only to members of the secret nihonjin club. Why the fuck do no Japanese dictionaries have sex terms in them? You can bet your fuckin' ass "fuck" and "ass" are in any English dictionary worth its salt, but it seems the top brass at Koujien and Daijirin are a bunch of fucking chaste little girls.

>Shachou, we're preparing the new 2016 edition of the dictionary. Will we include a definition and reading for 肉幹 this time?
>N-no! We can't?
>Why not?
>B-b-b-because that's LEWD!!!

Holy fucking shit. Abandon your existing waifus everybody, they're all sluts. If you want true purity then pick your favorite from the board of directors. Motherfuck.

>>147474690
I don't think you can really compare words with such a history as "fuck" and "ass", to modern slang like "meat stick".

I'm sure there must be some Japanese equivalent to urbandictionary however, since that seems to be what you're autistically sperging out about.

>>147473417
えろ凶

I set up RSS feeds to automatically download my anime and now the season is ending it's autodownloading batches for my anime.
Obviously I don't need batches, so is there a way to set the filter up so it only downloads episodes and not batches?

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できる！

>>147475081
Don't think so. Disable/delete the filter when the series is over.

>>147475081
>RSS options
>words to exclude: batch

>>147474690
3rd one

>>147475174
I see, thanks

>>147475230
Doesn't work, the batchs' names look like: [Ohys-Raws] New Game! (AT-X 1280x720 x264 AAC)

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やったー

あたしの地域はたいふう抜けたよ

これから降られる地域のみなさんきをつけてね

>>147473567
>it's popular so I must call it shit
I bet if somehow it hadn't been popular you'd have said "oh it's pretty good".

>印僑
Never would have thought I'd see this word actually used

>>147475588
You see every word at least once

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>>147475588
きんじょのインド料理屋さん

おごってー

扉
ドア

What's the difference?

>>147475750
One says とびら and is written in kanji and the other says どあ and is written in katakana

>>147475933
Yes, obviously.

They both mean door. Can they be used interchangeably or do they refer to specific kinds of doors?

>>147475967
you do not know enough japanese to appreciate any valid answer that anybody could give you in such a way that you could understand it

>>147475967
Well the definition of ドア on Goo is just 「戸。扉。」 so they must be pretty interchangeable, although I'm sure there are plenty of situations where you could only use one or the other

>>147475967
That guy's answer wasn't entirely a joke.

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Post hanzi grids

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>>147476691
デリシャス

Let's speak about the benefits of JLPT.

N1 - This can be used as proof of proficiency in Japanese. Most any translator worth their salt will put N1 on their resume (unless they're native bilingual). It can also serve as proof of Japanese proficiency which assists in various parts of Japanese immigration and/or naturalization. You get 15 points towards the "highly skilled professional foreigner" visa. Almost all Japanese companies would seriously prefer their hirees to have N1, if they know what it is.

N2 - This is N1-lite. If you don't have N1, you might can put this on your resume and say you're working towards N1, and jobs that don't directly involve the Japanese language (e.g. non-translation jobs in Japan) that ask for N1 qualification may take this instead.

But note--not every job in Japan requires foreign hirees to speak fluent Japanese. I have more than a couple of friends who are scientists who speak some Japanese, but not to the point of using it as their primary day-to-day language, and they are evaluated based upon the quality of their work. However, having N1 or even N2 will give you a leg up on the competition.

N3-N5 - These have no concrete benefits beyond as a marker of understanding your current level of progress towards N2/N1. You may be able to opt out of certain Japanese language courses at certain universities with various ranks of JLPT.

>>147476756
Thanks for taking out the time to write out this post with info everyone knows already

>>147476775
Anything to avoid actually learning Japanese

>>147476691
>>147476733
How do you change the font displayed in your KanjiGrid?

>>147476786
I wonder if you ever learn? Cause it certainly doesn't seem so.

>>147476920
Mine's (second ones) just the default one it gives me, never done anything to change it

>>147476977
Yeah I know that much I'm just curious as to why people don't have the same font on those since as far as I know there isn't an option for this.

>>147476996
Not sure, probably something to do with system fonts and that first guy's computer's just fucked

>Tfw just interpreted 空席 as some magical seats floating in the sky

I am not good at putting the meaning of kanji together

What's the trick to understanding Japanese wordplays?

>>147477644
understanding japanese generally

>>147477644
Being Japanese

多分出来るよ

>>147475750
My teacher explained this to me just last week
According to her, both words mean "door", but 扉 is more archaic and often used in literary works

>>147477748
Is she hot

一日でどれぐらい知らない言葉を覚えてか。
最近、20から40に増やしたが、もう増やすのできると思う。可能ですか。

>>147477780
Not really. She has a cute personality, though

>>147477826
その前に文法に集中したらいいと思うよ

>しっかり
>はっきり
>びっくり
>ゆっくり

I hate these onomatopoeic words. They look so similar and I can never remember their meaning

>>147477878
書くのことは私に必要じゃない。読むことだけを習いたい。

>>147477919
Adverbs are the end boss of Japanese

At least they allow you to express the concept of "suddenly" in about 300 unique and whacky ways

>>147477921
それでも文法をしっかりおさえるのが身のためだぞ

>>147477919

しっかりしろ！

>>147475750
>扉
Don't people usually use 戸? In which case the difference is Japanese vs. Western style?

>>147477954
I hope to get the hang of them with time and practice, but this initial struggle is surely a pain in the ass

>>147478040
Hey, I learned that one just yesterday while reading はなひらっ. Thanks for reminding me, anon :D

>>147477826
いきなりすぎてびっくりかもしれないがゲイだけは知っています

ほかの単語は知らない

>>147478172
>:D

>>147478172
>I hope to get the hang of them with time and practice, but this initial struggle is surely a pain in the ass

Keep in mind that anki really isn't the place to be learning kana adverbs, the only way to really learn them is through encountering them a lot in native material

The four you listed above are all common as fuck so it wouldn't take long for them to be solidified in your head forever, but down the line you'll encounter one's that are barely ever used, and if you chose to add them in anki chances are they'll just be stuck in a fail loop until they leach, but don't worry about them because the same thing happens to everyone

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When does it get easier?

I know 2300 Kanji, kanji grid looks mostly blue/green, studied for 3 years, know all the grammar I need to know, can read manga easily, understand 99% of what's said in an anime, and yet I feel like it's not enough and conquering this language is still mountains ahead. I still feel like I suck and like a beginner.

Of course people who've just been studying for weeks are dreaming to be at my level and I sort of know I've worked hard and progressed a lot since the day I started... or I should say I should know it but I really don't exactly "feel" like it, I still feel like there are way too many things to learn still. I suppose one could say it's a good thing because "if you always feel like you don't have enough that means you're really learning" (as opposed to be in the Dunning–Kruger club) but still there are days like today where I can't see the end of it.

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>>147477919
i changed from reading あずまんが大王 to 悪の華 trying to escape osakaben and ran into the forewarned onomatopoeia
kinda want to go back to osaka, im sorry i betrayed you