>you can be a mangaka who's drawing skill is extremely

>>147175505
>feeling unfulfilled
only in my work life or in everything I do, either way LN author sounds less bad desu senpai

>>147175505
But LNs are better written than most western shit so I don't get the comparison.

>>147175505
post two example from real life. there has to be a few

>>147175505
Can we talk about that image instead? He's ruining all the fucking paper.

>>147175505
Second if I am going to be miserable either way I want to be miserable while having dosh and doing next to no work.

>>147175632
how about I ease up for the mangaka a bit.
>You don't have a big fandom as the LN author, but the very minority of your fans are completely loyal to you through out your life. Your works wasn't popularized until after your death.

I WANT TO BE THE VERY BEST LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS.

That's my response. I will make it so good they have to like it.

>>147175632
I'm already the second one minus the success, so it would at least be a improvement

>>147175865
Someone has either never read an LN, never read a western novel, or has never read any books at all.

>>147175865
This is a joke right?

>>147176194
sound just as delusional as a shonen protag.

>>147175505
Numero dos. Mediocrity is underrated.

>>147176350
NO. If I was a shonen protag I would abandon everything and move to Japan to make manga. My love life would be nonexistent and the editors would laugh at me for creating something so bad that it's good. It would be the second coming of the Berserk anime written by Tite Kubo in manga form.

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>>147176645

>>147175505
>You acknowledge at you are blessed by god of fortune, but you can't help feeling unfulfilled for the rest of your life.


>Implying I care about things like fulfillment and shit when it comes to something as trivial and uninteresting as a career
>Implying I would be unhappy if people ate up the shit I produce without any effort

I just want the luck of god for easy money. Plenty of fulfillment there.

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>>147177183
Greed is the bane of passion.
And greed is literally the #1 regret in every death bed

"I wish I could have done more in my life"

Just my 2 cents

>>147175865
What? Oh this is what people around these parts call baiting isn't?

>>147175505
I choose the NEET life

>>147177760
And a nigga would shock a dog to death just to discredit tesla.

>>147175505
Number 2.

>>147177760
Nah, everything I want to do I'll never be able to do because the very law of physics are against me, just give me money and I'll waste away in my cave in peace.

I'd draw four panel manga about otaku bullshit and sell meagerly. It's called Lucky Star. Try it.

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>>147175505
Not to live as a villain, but to die as the hero.

Number one would never actually happen.
If editors can't appreciatte your work, you simply release it online in monthly periods until a bunch of obsessive otaku take a liking to it.
Then you just wait until some jap jew comes to you and offers you a contract to serialize your shitty series to satisfy Otakus who are willing to spend their parents' money in your shitty manga.

>>147179226
Just shoot some migrants and be a glorified meme at /pol/

>>147179277
But I'm /ic/, not /pol/.

>>147179304
Make Mohhammed pictures and let Islam grant you immortality

>>147175505
LN writer who co authors a manga and hangs out with a guy who has a copy of toonboom/flash and know a few voice actors.

Will put illustrated picture book up online and change as needed as we see how the audience likes it.
Will then create a short drama with voice actors and put it up online as a 1 year anniversary thing.
When enough people like it will create a few well done short anime for shits and giggles.

>>147175505
I doubt the majority of cookie-cutter LNs are actually that profitable. Isn't the current model in Japan just to throw a massive amount of books at the wall at once and see what sticks? Series like Mahouka or SAO which reach massive popularity are very rare.

>>147179445
Technically, the model is to throw a massive amount of WNs at a wall, see what sticks, and then turn those into LNs. I mean, the average LN still isn't SAO, but most of the really literally-who stuff is just unadapted amateur shit online.

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>>147175505
>mrw I'm already on second path and there is no turning back

>>147175505
If you do something for the sake of others, regardless of your relative social success, you will always be empty.

>>147179851
>doing easy and lucrative job
>"for the sake of others"
What?

>>147180060
>doing easy and lucrative job
Which job would that be?

>>147180094
The one where you wing it and are lazy as shit but because of luck everything sells like hotcakes no matter how bad it is?

>>147180194
>The one where you wing it and are lazy as shit but because of luck everything sells like hotcakes no matter how bad it is?
That's all well and good but no such job exists or can exist.

>>147180254
Did you not read OP? That's the fucking second choice.

>>147180254
It exists. It's called being born into wealth.

>>147180413
>everything sells like hotcakes no matter how bad it is
What? What are you even selling?

>>147180311
>Did you not read OP?
Yes, it was a pathetic and intellectually dishonest strawman designed to take a pot shot and the LN industry, of which OP has no actual fucking comprehension of. Manchildren ought not have the delusions entertained, and in terms of autistic speculative fantasy, we already have a board for that, /qst/.

>>147180510
So you didn't like OP, thought it belonged on another board, and decided to make random comments about happiness and success instead?

>>147175505
The first one of course. I'd rather have a few people appreciate good work made by me, than have everyone love something shitty I made.

Honestly I'd love to write LNs for a living. Seems like a much better industry than manga (not that this is a very high bar) and I can't draw for shit. If I was a native Japanese speaker I'd probably have tried to write one by now.

>>147180254
>That's all well and good but no such job exists or can exist.
Explain the Big 3 then.

>>147180844
>lazy
They may be shit, but they're shit that takes a whole lot of time to produce.

>>147176995
>90s
>implying that comic isn't even more true today

Where does the border between good writing and bad writing lie? /lit/ would dismiss isekai LNs as bad writing and have their dicks wet for Dune, but I have read Dune recently and I found out that its writing is putrid shit, not to mention the plot is fucking wish fullfilment of the worst kind.

>>147175865
/lit/ would have an aneurysm if they saw someone say this seriously

>>147179851
Even providing for your own family? Feeling needed or necessary is also an inherent need.

>>147181861
I >>147181808 am serious.

>>147177760
Having people eat up the shit I shit out with zero effort would give me the stability I need to do the things I may actually want. Also, in your example, isn't the regret more accurately described as the lack of ambition instead?

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>>147182655
>isn't the regret more accurately described as the lack of ambition instead
Nope
The complete absence of passion. All nurses at seniors home hear about stories of people who wish they worked hard for something

Just because you make alot of money out of something doesn't men that you can use money to fill in the void.
Following your passion is dangerous but does it keep you thankful for being alive

>>147181808
/lit/ thinks that only western countries can make good literature
Them loving Dune is no different from /a/ loving moe but shtting on Evangelion. Or hating Avatar and RWBY despite carrying the same elements as our animu

>>147182815
But just because you make a lot of money doesn't mean you can't work hard at whatever you want. Being able to follow your passions thanks to some mediocre work you shit out is far more valuable than being stuck with no money, stability or recognition trying to make a living with what you're passionate about.

>>147180450
trump hotel

>>147182904
Obviously, yes

But OP explicitly said that as no. You can make alot of money by making B-rate stuff that never gets any good reviews
But never will you find your true passion in life.

Or be a mangaka who will live as a pauper but die as a martyr

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>>147181808
>Dune is considered a /lit/ novelty
jesus christ is this true? I will admit that the novel did something innovative for the later generation, but this is high school level literature for pasting reading. It's probably because muh great man sci-fi boner that arouse them, but honestly Dune's overall plot is just another standard sci-fi adventure story.

>>147183056
Both situations have you unfulfilled. If Fulfillment is impossible, money and free time will ease up the disappointment.

>>147175505
bit late but
>who's skill
underage b&

>>147181808
Being you're a guy who appreciates isekai LNs I'd say you're in no position to discuss fiction quality.

>>147175505
>>you can be a mangaka who's drawing skill is extremely professional and crafty, and your manga is very well written but for some reason the world overlook your talent and no matter how hard you try, you are always left in the shadow. Every editor you meet are asshole and they always underestimate your ability. You don't have a very stable income and you have to cut short for drawing materials, Oh and your love life is almost non existing.

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>>147183322
Follow your passion and the money will flow - tht's how it goes in the real world

Can't we just limit the argument on the situation that OP laid out?
>enjoy unfruitful pleasure for the rest of your life but die as a blank slate,
>or contribute something to the advancement of art at the cost of your life

>>147175505
>be aesthetic mangaka with good writing. Literally the 'best of both worlds' dream everyone wants.
>""""World over looks you'''''

Is that even possible? how much exposure we're talking about?

>>147183424
The OP's situation makes you unfruitful professionally in both cases, just in different ways. Even if you're good artistically, without recognition you won't be able to make the manga you want to craft. Your shit will get quickly cancelled and you'll just put out wasted potential until the day you die.

Sounds awful. I'd rather give up on professional fulfillment and focus on finding fulfillment in other areas, and option B seems more geared towards that.

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>>147183506
Ask Tesla, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Shinsekai Yori author, and so many other underrated artists and writers who died without recieving the adolation they deserve

The world is full of stupid people who upholds those whom they can relate with

>>147175505
>feeling unfulfilled and not even successful
>feeling unfulfilled but successful
Gee I wonder

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>>147183549
If there's a will, there's a way

OP's situation does not lead your underappreciated work too be cancelled, just ignored most of the time. You will live in poverty but you will be revered in history

I choose that fate. If are passionate in something, life is an illusion and your imagination is the reality

>>147183506
/a/ itself is a great example of ignorant,
scanlations teams are to blame for their selection of picking out easy view rate scans too.

>>147183706
>will be revered in history
History can go fuck itself. Dying unfulfilled and believing yourself to be a failure or dying unfulfilled but having achieved success, I'd take the latter.

>>147175505
I'd rather be a LN that eats but strives to get better than struggle through forever.

>>147183424
>>or contribute something to the advancement of art
OP didn't say your work was supposed to be a revolutionary masterpiece, it's just a good manga with good art.

>>147183834
That no one ever liked. Didn't even stipulate you'd get post mortem recognition.

Maybe you were just crazy and thought you were good but reality said otherwise.

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>>147183742
OP said that you will never get to love your work and all reviews will also agree with your inner voices
You are basically not any more valuable than a wage cuck.

The other choice is that you know that you are good and you will die feeling fulfilled, albiet poor.
You will die a monk's blissful rest

>>147183863
>Maybe you were just crazy and thought you were good but reality said otherwise.
Read the reviews of your works.

>>147183871
>The other choice is that you know that you are good and you will die feeling fulfilled

Don't see how you can be fulfilled if you die poor with a massive superiority complex that may or may not be justified.

>>147183900
If reviews are good then the world isn't overlooking your talent.

>>147183871
So you want to live a life of hardship, disappointment and failure just so you can die believing you were better than everyone?

>>147175505
Option 2.
I take in royalties and invest in shit so i can live off people eating my shit. I find great satisfaction when im rewarded exponentially for doing half assed work.
Tomino practically does that while trying to kill gundam.

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>>147183917
>Don't see how you can be fulfilled if you die poor
It does not work that way. Money as a factor for success never leads to a happy death

>>147183952
If your works will contribute to the growth of art, then I suppose that it will be worth the journey

>>147182815
Fuck. I feel like I'll be saying no. 1 when I die. desu baka senpai

>>147175865
Meme, bait, or 12 year old.

>>147181265
It's from 1996.

>>147175865
Kill yourself underage and read a real book

>>147175505
Drawing cute girls > Writing descriptions of cute girls

>>147175865
Confirmed for 100% pure american

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>>147175865

I'm a weeb but this is just wrong.

People seem to forget that 'history' means jack shit in the greater scheme of things . It is nothing more than a transient dot in existence that will eventually amount to nothing. For all you know humanity may disappear a hundred years following your death your death, or the day after. Either way it is irrelevant to the living you. So no one concern themselves with how they will be perceived afterwards.

If all your ambitions in life can be quenched by materialistic solutions - option 2 is your way to go.

If you desire 'deeper fulfillment' then you would go with the former.

Either way both will result in your fading objective personal experience.

>>147175505
This is not even a question one is
>only one true genius of all hundred of genius can stand on top.
And one is
>Idiot of all idiots can became rich.
Geh wander what i'm going choose?

>>147175505
First path, i am not really good at writing but i am willing to draw for someone else's story or ideas since i've begun doing it for drawfag reqs from /a/ yeaers ago. What i look for probably just some appraisal for my illustrations and no more than that. I've tried written some stories but it all turned out to be too uninteresting and borderline pseudo-intellectual. I'll just stick to drawing, it's kinda more honest that way.

>>147175865
someone didn't get past the picturebook stage of reading

>>147175865
you want example?
Ready Player One
Sword Art Online
Both are MMO with self-insert Gary Stu but at least RPO tried to be subtle and/or less cringy about it

>>147181861
/lit/ are a bunch of pseudointellectual faggots who spend most of their time, when not slobbering over memester authors, whining on other site's communist boards about what pathetic failures they are. (they honestly make /r9k/ look decent in comparison)
>t. regular of the book threads that were on several boards until the shithole that is /lit/ was created

And no, LN's aren't great, but modern western lit is just as bad on average yet manages to be more pretentious than your stereotypical chuuni's naming sense.

>have a normal well-paid job
>enjoy your hobbies

done

>>147179782
Post it

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I wish someday I could write something like this.

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I've already tried both drawing comics and writing novels and neither worked out, so I'll pick the sweet release of death.

>>147187360

>have a normal well-paid job
>have hobbies

Pick one.

>>147190113
Try making music, I can't guarantee it'll work out but it's worth a shot.

>>147190113
Gotta find your passion and stick with it, man.
That, or just be a normalfag who believes that his worth is judged by the attention of his hoe

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>>147190542
>Gotta find your passion and stick with it, man.

Bro, I don't live with my parents and don't want to starve to death. It's fun messing around when you're a kid, but the world is cruel. Not one percent of the people out there succeed with their "passions" and just have to eat shit to survive another day.

>>147175505
>>you can be a mangaka who's drawing skill is extremely professional and crafty, and your manga is very well written but for some reason the world overlook your talent and no matter how hard you try, you are always left in the shadow. Every editor you meet are asshole and they always underestimate your ability. You don't have a very stable income and you have to cut short for drawing materials, Oh and your love life is almost non existing.
Well, I will be remembered after my death, at least.

>>147190649
I am struggling as well, actually.
But I am dedicated and does my passion on the side.
I made a contract with myself that if I won't be happy by the time I reach 30, I will kill myself. So far so good

>>147180510
>/qst/.
Why do you have to insult /qst/?

>>147186832
>yet manages to be more pretentious than your stereotypical chuuni's naming sense.
wew lad

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>>147190716
Sorry about my bitter words. You don't need that shit. I'm just almost 30 already and seeing younger people living their dreams, I realize I was never meant to be one of them.

>>147175865
Light novels are garbage.