>A girl to save you from your hikikomori ways Do they

They are called mothers, and they are overrated.

>>147104956

That's exactly why I dropped NHK at the beginning.

Magically, a girl arrives and she cares about the MC.
Just like in reality

>>147105227

>she cares about the MC.

She just wanted to feel less like shit by helping someone worse than her.

>>147104956

>misaki geniunely saving sato


Even sato hoped for that setting but ultimately he kinda realised it's not what it seems

She's completely useless, she couldn't even save herself.

File: 1389309511800.jpg (64KB, 670x415px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 670x415px

>>147104956
Evangelists maybe.

>>147106540

post your story in /b/ 5 months later

File: 1473464843454.jpg (53KB, 500x736px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 500x736px

No, they do not. That's why the only thing left to do is devoting yourself to Misaki.

>>147104956
That's not even what happened if you actually finished the series. He gets saved by near-starvation when he's forced to get a job.

>>147104956
They don't. Some that want to fuck you do if you're not TOO exiled, though. I got one after I invited some internet buddies to come watch Code Gayass with me.

No.

In my dreams, yes. In reality, no. ;_;

Does anyone else feels terrible about this anime?

I feel like the thematic of the whole anime was "life sucks, give up and live with it".

Like, the hikikomoris stoped being hikikomoris only because they almost starved to death and were forced to get a job. And the anime shows it like "see? this is how you deal with a hikikomori". While I image it WOULD work with many hikikomoris, the jobs they would get would be far less helpful to society than the ones they could have if they properly solved their issues. Not to mention the ones that maybe would commit crimes almost starved to death, or the ones that would just commit suicide.

Or the game designer that, while passionate and I guess a little talented, in the end just gave up his dream to be a farmer, forgetting the job and the girl he wanted. Ok, maybe he needed to be a farmer at that moment, but couldn't he still chase after the girl he liked and the dream of being a game designer? Studying/working on it in the free time.

There are a lot of "events" like this in the series that I find most disturbing. Maybe it was the intention, this things happen, but it was showed as it MUST happen.

It seems almost like indoctrination to me. Remember a little of hatakari man, where all problems, and I mean ALL problems, are solved by "no matter what are the circunstances, just work harder on your job, even if it is shit".

>>147112122
>Like, the hikikomoris stoped being hikikomoris only because they almost starved to death and were forced to get a job.

Yes, it's mentioned a few times that a hikikimori life is a luxury.

>>147112122
It actually is how you deal with a hikikomori. Do you have a better final solution?

>>147112282
I guess I have no better general solution, but I'm sure many cases in particular have better solutions. Maybe it's something to be dealt with in a case by case basis, finding why the person became a hikikomori in the first place, what are all factores stoping him from moving on to a more productive life etc.

File: 23452345423.jpg (64KB, 725x1024px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 725x1024px

People who actually want a Misaki in their lives deserve everything bad that happens to them.

File: 1394596192686.png (128KB, 308x308px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 308x308px

>>147104956

>save

>>147112544
Suppose you know all the factors and reasons, what do you do next? The bottom line is you don't have any moral authority to force hikis to come out even if you know how to do that in a constructive way. You have to wait until they become hungry enough either way.

Yes, go onto online dating and message all the fat girls, ugly girls, and single moms.

>>147105227

>she cares about the MC

If you actually were fooled by her act from the beginning, then you don't know how to read people very well.

File: NHKep24b.jpg (48KB, 720x480px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 720x480px

Misaki did nothing wrong

>>147112956
What to do next dependes on these factors and reasons. Maybe it's possible do deal with them, so the hikikomori will want to change his life and will be able to do so without starving.
It isn't about "forcing" them. It's about they wanting to have a better life and having the resources (including sociological e psychological ones) to do so.

>>147113360
If they wanted to have a better life they would already have it.

>>147113604
Maybe in some cases. But do you really think that's valid for ALL of them? That none of them want to have a better life, but isn't capable of alone getting it in the situation they find themselfs in?

File: 1428768179747.gif (3MB, 700x525px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 700x525px

>>147104956
Only you can save yourself from this hell.

File: 29585291.jpg (1MB, 1536x2048px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1536x2048px

>>147113360
Look, Your concern for the well being of these types of people is commendable but your silly solutions are not only impractical but also detrimental for the well being of hikkis.
If life was perfect and everyone would treat us all like special snowflakes that require special attention and treatment we would not get anywhere as a race.
Why do you think people strive for improvement(In technology, living conditions etc)? Because they are displeased with the situation they are in in some way. Negative feelings and experiences are the best damn motivational force in the human mind and that is why someone who refuses to get off his ass and work like the rest of us will never do anything until he is forced to.

Trust me, I speak from experience, Nothing makes you want to work more than a stomach that has been emty for a week. It doesn't matter if i fulfill an important part of society, It's not what life is about, It's about survival, It's about self improvement, It's about living in such a way that you have the least amount of regrets at the end of your life span.

/rant

>>147114648
When I talked about doing an important part of society, I wasn't talking about it being good for ex-hikikomoris, I was talking about it being good for society. It's better for society to have very productive members of "important" functions that some people that just basic stuff so they have resources to not starve.

Also, I wasn't talking about making their lives perfect so they don't want to do anything. A person can be a non hikikomori, and still have a life that's not very pleasant. And even if it IS pleasant, people are greedy and usually want more. This not including people that would focus in their work just for the joy of it, or some sense of purpose.
I was talking about giving conditions to some hikikomori to stop being hikikomori to become more producitve members of society. For society benefit, not theirs.
I understand this isn't valid in every case, but it should be valid in some. Simply letting all hikikomori starve until almost death isn't a good solution.

>>147114209
I think that's valid for all of them. I think it's generally a problem of being too flexible and able to compromise on great many things. No house? Sure, I'll live in this one-room apartment. No cash? Sure, I'll just eat instant noodles. No friends? Not a biggie, BBSs and MMOs can fix that. No sex? But I have not just one, two hands, and an entire Internet full of porn.

Only when they can compromise no longer (when there's literally no food) is when they start to actually want something. And sure enough that's when they get it. Is it moral to force them to want this thing you consider to be beneficial or even necessary while they seem to be getting by alright even without it?

More and more evidence piles up that this mindset is in fact genetic (you can google around for the "Bum Gene", I think it was - made quite a splash in the day). Go and talk to your local social workers for a thousand of stories about how these people inevitably relapse right back once the external influence is gone.

I wish this was about these brilliant misunderstood and forlorn minds, ready to shine at any moment and serve society if only you help them to get out of this situation they're in, maybe a little nudge, maybe even just a word of encouragement is enough. But the situation didn't arise all by itself, it is a direct consequence of the way these people are. They're not brilliant, they're generally useless for society. Is it their shitty genes that got them there or is it some trauma they had in childhood or just bad parenting or any combination of the above or something else entirely? I don't know nor does it matter. But even just by wanting to help them you're being presumptuous and assume authority you (or anyone) should not have, not in a free society at least.

Sorry for the wall of text, you can tell I feel strongly on this matter.

File: sato tastuhiro.jpg (101KB, 802x1000px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 802x1000px

>>147112122

the point was being a hikikomori is a privileged lifestyle, and pretending that you have debilitating problems while people are literally catering to you is fucking selfish. that's not to say that you can't have issues due to being a hikikomori or be a hikikomori due to other issues, but the fact that you have the capability of being one means that you have access to resources that some people don't and WOULD DIE BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

letting others perpetuate their existence it fucks their self esteem because it removes their own agency for their existence. only when they realize that they actively need to take action to continue living do they become "cured" of being a hikikomori. that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be happy or their lives will suddenly gain meaning, but it at least gives them the chance rather than wallowing in self pity and waiting for the next handout to lengthen their pitiful lives and waiting for someone else to dictate the direction of their life for them.

they feel like their lives lack meaning and get depressed because the only reason they're still alive is they've fashioned this bubble where they believe they have no control over anything and thus must depend on others 100% to continue on.

working sucks, don't get me wrong. but the feeling of being an independent agent and being the sole provider of your own lifestyle does wonders for the self esteem. it removes the idea that you are a victim and that you are bound to the whims of others when you are able take care of yourself.

this is why his relationship with misaki is so important. their codependence wasn't doing anything for either of them. it was actively making both of their situations WORSE. that was the point. they only derived meaning from each other and without each other their lives became void and pointless. some see this as a romantic notion, but the fact that the two of them aren't a couple at the end proves that this is NOT what the story was about.

File: 45234523453.jpg (30KB, 704x400px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 704x400px

>wanting some random slut to save you
>not wanting your long lost senpai to save you

Not to be a blog shitter, but exact same thing happened to me that happened to Satou with Hitomi. Cucking her fiance was great.

>>147104956
How would you even meet one if you're really a hiki? If you truly never leave the house, or maybe just go to the store to buy groceries once a week, you won't meet anyone, let alone a girl that wants to help you.

>>147115328
You seem to have completely misunderstood nearly everything i wrote (Maybe that's my own fault).
I was not talking about the benefit of the ex-hikkis either. The truth is that living an unpleasant but comfortable and stable reality is the thing all hikkis want and leaving that stability for the unknown outside world is really impossible. The most common way to stop being a hikki is to get hit in the face by reality, That is the simplest and most effective solution, You cannot deny this fact.

> giving conditions to some hikikomori
There's that naive idealism again, If you just give something to someone who is still set on avoiding reality he will only squander that gift because the hikki do not realize how reality works, They do not want to improve, They do not want better conditions, They just want to stay in their safe zone.

>productive members of "important" functions
What do you define as an important function?
Is the man who cleans your clogged toilet not an important function of society?
You cannot possibly expect all of society to fulfill an "Important" and "Meaningful" function, Especially from someone who does not strive for self improvement, Giving someone like that such a function will only lead to disaster because those roles are meant to be earned with hard work by those with motivation.

>>147115511
If I belived all of them were in this situation just because they were too flexible and to able to compromise, I guess I would agree with you.

But I find that very hard to belive. Maybe that's valid for some, maybe that's valid to most of them (this I already think it's hard to belive), but all of them? That seems very unlikely.
People can make bad choices even if they are not stupid overall. Or they can just have bad luck. Or both. And they can find themselfs in situations that alone they are not able to crawl back, but if they were in a "normal' situation, maybe they would be productive.
You know how many enterprises fail and have to start over before working properly? Sometimes, even becoming a big sucess?
I don't see why the same wouldn't be valid to some degree to people.
Of course, the same way some enterprises are just bad ideas doomed to failure, I don't think that everybody in a bad situation like hikikomoris are potential productive members of society. But some of them should be.

This thread probably has the highest words per post ratio on this website right now

>>147105227
>Magically, a girl arrives and she cares about the MC.
That's not true at all, she was just so broken she needed to find someone worse than her to be able to live with herself.

>>147116142
Why are they alone? Doesn't that seem strange to you? To find yourself in a situation "that alone you are not able to crawl back", you necessarily have to find yourself alone. How do you think that happens? Just a failed enterprise? Suddenly - poof - there's nobody around.

The message here is that these hiki cases are not the failed enterprises that had to start over. These are the "just bad idea" ones. The ones that had to start over already did, and maybe even became a big success. They never were alone, they never got to this point. They never made so many bad choices in a row.

Of course some of the hikis should be potential productive members of society, I'll even grant you there are probably a one or two unrecognized genius among them. But most of them aren't, precisely because the ability of "not getting into that shit in the first place" and the ability of "crawling back out of that shit" are both governed by the same traits, and it's also those traits that make you a valuable member of society.

Evolution will take gentle care of these variants, as it did countless times before. It's arrogant of us to assume we have the power to "help" them.

>>147105227
>"I'm retarded and couldn't wait for the story to explain itself"

I bet you're the type of assholes who yells during movies

OP obviously didn't actually read NHK if this is what they took from it. She never cared about Sato, she just wanted to be able to pity someone who was more pathetic than her. Even when she did start to have actual feelings for him, she never "saved" him. Sato was saved by his own desperation to survive at his lowest point. Even when he was peak depressed, he never actually wanted to commit suicide. So he saved himself and Misaki fell in love with the man who figured out how to stop being a useless sack.

So the real lesson is, if you want a cute girl to love you, stop being a lazy, whining shitboy and go do something with your life.

>>147117658
This.

but that goes against what waifutards want to see, and against /r9k/ morons that just want to keep wallowing in self-pity

File: tomoko.jpg (290KB, 720x1280px) Image search: [Google]

290KB, 720x1280px

>>147117658
I'm surprised thread is still alive- as having read the LN and watching the anime, this is obvious. Is it so bad to dream though?

>>147117299
Maybe they are not totally alone, but the people they have contact isn't helpful, or even make the situation worse. Maybe a bad family? I don't know.

That said, what I said was mostly about people who find themselfs in a hikikomori state for the first time - not people that keep going back to it multiple times.

>>147117961
I'd say it's bad if you don't get the message the author is trying to give you. Because in the end of the day it's you up to you and you alone to make the changes you want in your life. Of course with the support of friends (/a/) and family if you have them. But you gotta be the one who makes the first step and then the subsequent ones. The support is there to lessen the pain.

>>147117760
It's a shame that any discussion about NHK just devolves into /r9k/-tier posting.

>>147118070
>>147117961

The point of NHK is that you can't let yourself "dream", because if you do, you'll wallow in self-hatred for so long that you'll eventually just waste away. Sato tried to dream, and to distract himself again and again, and it almost killed him. It was his ability to kick his own ass into gear that saved his life in the end. He did love Misaki, but she was actively hindering his ability to save himself (at least, in the beginning).

File: 1447833129906.gif (2MB, 420x240px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 420x240px

>>147115592
Finally someone says something that expresses what I took away from this series instead of just:

>tfw Sato is literally me :_(


I honestly could not stand this series because the MC just reminded me of myself back when I had crippling anxiety and wouldn't leave my apartment for days out of paranoia. All it served to do was remind me what a little bitch I was in the past.

That said the "Hitoribochi" song is really pretty and I always listen to it when reading the new years eve story thread because it fits.

>>147118431
I think it's neat how the English translation for Hitori bocchi can still almost match the rhythm of the song.

I can tell people who praise this show have never ventured outside of anime to watch literally anything else that touches on the subject of existential crisis. It's quite possibly their first introduction in television format to the theme, which is why they get so excited about it.

Yes, it's probably the only show that specifically targets weeb neets - doesn't make it good.

>>147119115
You were doing good but fell short at the end

>>147119115
By all means provide some examples of literally anything that touches on the subject of existential crisis which you consider good.

>>147119457
He's a /lit/fag. Don't give him attention, they thrive on that shit.

>>147119115

What about it do you think doesn't work? And what have u seen talk about existentialism that did it better?

>>147119223
Condescending the fanbase is the only revenge I will get from my time wasted watching this anime. Not guna put all my effort into it though.

>>147119542

>i want to troll people to assert my own superiority but want to keep ironic distance to prevent my ego from being bruised by my lack of actual coherent thoughts

>>147112122
>life sucks, give up and live with it
It's called stoicism, ant it is known to work for like 2500 years

>>147112122

You have to consider that this is a personal story. The mangaka was once a hikikomori like Sato, and NHK is basically him going back in time and kicking his younger self's ass.

I get what you mean about Kaoru though, it was a weird change, but at the same time he gets written out pretty early so we don't know if he did continue pursuing his dream of game design or not. It's impossible to say.

The stuff with Sato though, that all comes from a very personal place for the mangaka. And I think that's why a lot of people like and identify with the story, especially since the target audience is depressed people/people with anxiety.

Even though support and positivity IRL are important, sometimes it feels really good to have a symbol of yourself basically show you how much of an asshole you're being and tell you to get it together. That's just how I felt watching it though.

>>147118431

>I honestly could not stand this series because the MC just reminded me of myself back when I had crippling anxiety and wouldn't leave my apartment for days out of paranoia

this is exactly why i love it so much. i watched it when i was a depressed mess and it felt like a brutally honest kick in the balls that i desperately needed. i'm still not 100% past the self pity bullshit but i think this series helped me take a step in the right direction for my mental state.

the soundtrack is GOAT tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eht8_rhVMOs

>>147112122
I think the idea is just that sometimes you have to keep moving forward whether you want to or not. There's no happy ending waiting for us where everything just works out, but we can at least try to create a tomorrow that's a little better than today. It's a very realistic note to end on, it just sounds depressing because we've been told for so long, both by society and by anime, that all your dreams will come true as long as you believe in yourself.

>>147119906
It's an anonymous image board. There is no superiority. You know that, right?

>>147119534
A real question.

What stands out the most to me is that characters in this show are way too well adjusted to be neet.

People enjoy the show because of its observational approach to a neets lifestyle. Hey, I don't like going outside too! Hey, I like to masturbate too! All of that shit is me_irl tier

But when you actually look at the characters for who they are, they are charismatic, expressive, and vibrant (usually like every other slice of life anime). These characteristics are the exact opposite of a real neet. Neet's don't break out into passionate rants about 3DPD with their neighbour, rather they click on a funny picture about it and giggle to themselves in their room.

Do you know socially awkward people in real life? They are nothing like Satou. NHK to a neet is like high school musical to a real high school.

This show could have been about a REAL neet. That would've really hit home.

>>147121670
I think you are overstating how 'cool' Satou is - during pretty much all his social interactions he seems awkward and not well-adjusted, and he basically spends all his time on the internet or watching TV.

>>147121670
>This show could have been about a REAL neet. That would've really hit home.
Do you know a work about this topic, maybe a novel? I've read a few recently but it always ends up as "wow Mr. NEET is actually a genius artist who is just in a crisis."

>>147111142
Could've sworn that was just the other guy, the MMO addict

>>147122282
NHK is not in the realms of 'b-b-bbaka!' over-the-top style of social awkwardness you find in other animes, but it still has it's own anime flavour attached to it.

File: large.jpg (37KB, 400x600px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 400x600px

>>147104956
Yes they do.

File: 328841314_15271a3d46.jpg (53KB, 500x284px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 500x284px

>>147119906

>>147121670
>Neet's don't break out into passionate rants about 3DPD with their neighbour
Yamazaki isn't a NEET tho, he has a stronger inner drive and a range of personal accomplishment despite his social awkardness and rejection by his environment. He's an anti-NEET.

>>147115592
Good post, you articulated the hiki situation well.

>>147121670
What's charismatic awkwardly starting to ramble on about motorcycles despite knowing nothing about the subject because you somehow can't admit to a girl you saw once before that you're trying to look for a job? What's well adjusted about getting a panic attack where you feel like everyone in the classroom are laughing at you just because a teacher let out a snicker at something weird you said? Do you expect every single scene to constantly hammer in that Satou is completely incapable of any kind of social interaction? Because that's not even the point of the anime. He's actually shown to be pretty socially perceptive sometimes, but he has crippling anxiety around anyone he feels might judge him and there is no one around to challenge the delusions he uses to justify never leaving his comfort zone. That's a pretty believable profile for a shut-in. You don't just automatically become socially retarded after a few years of minimal human contact. Speaking from experience here.

>>147122511
First of all, I am not from /lit/.

Second, my honest opinion on this topic? There is not much out there about this stuff yet, because it's something only our generation understands. It's something we are facing RIGHT NOW. That's why people find NHK so unique and special, it's all there is.

When I think of coming of age, seclusion, depression, existentialism, I can confidently suggest Mary and Max.

>>147104956
I did actually know a girl that tried.
She was pretty much the only non-family-member in the past 5 years that has actually asked to hang out with me, instead of the normal situation of me just showing up at some college club or meekly asking a group to tolerate hanging out with me.
Hell, make that 8 or 9 years if you include "hang out more than once every few months".

She didn't end up saving me from being a shut-in, though.
She had other friends, she had moved to a different apartment complex after a year, and I was too far gone to be saved from that spiral of depression any time soon.
We eventually stopped hanging out, and we had never exchanged emails or phone numbers or anything.

And it wasn't like I was creeping on her or anything. Hell, I wasn't even interested in her in that way, it was a purely platonic friendship.
And it's not like I was bringing up my issues all of the time.
Things just kind of slowly fell apart.

So yeah, people like that do exist. You just have to put in the effort to keep it that way.

>>147104956
>Do they exist?
No. Women are terrible people until they're molded into decency by a husband.

>>147123726
>>>/reddit/

>>147123756
You're projecting, anon.

>>147121670
>>147122282

This. Sato is definitely pathetic, and all of the other characters think so. You have to consider that the show is from his own perspective, so of course we see his more "cool" moments that others aren't seeing. Even with that, though, I never got the impression that Sato was "well-adjusted." At one point he's so far gone he literally goes to an elementary school to take upskirt shots of the girls there. Nastiness of that aside, that's absolutely not something that a well-adjusted person does.

Also, only Sato is a NEET. Kaoru is attending community college, and is attempting to make something of his life by being a game designer. Misaki is as well adjusted as a victim of abuse can be, and she is in school too. Sato's senpai (forgot her name), despite her dependency on drugs to self-regulate her depression, is still working daily. The only person who, at any point, ever qualifies as a NEET is Sato, and the show makes it clear that he's doing wrong.

I think the show only really works for people who have depression/anxiety/are just plain ol hikikomori, because seeing someone as pathetic and weak as Sato still somehow manage to get up and accomplish something (albeit after having his ass kicked several times) can be really refreshing, especially since most shows won't ever have protagonist like him. Again though, this is just how I saw it.

Did you actually read the thing?

>>147125933
I'm aware it was Kaoru doing the rant. I took that example of shit that would never happen IRL but people somehow feel they would relate to.

>>147126040

I think the relatability of the show comes from Sato's patheticness and not really those interspersed silly moments. But anyone who's that into that shit would definitely rant about it like that to anyone who would listen, and Sato was so directionless at that point he was willing to listen to anything.

File: NHK_v05[Evil_Genius].rar-NHK_v05[Evil_Genius]-[Evil_Genius]NHK_v05c024-NHK_c024p028_029.png (521KB, 1667x1200px) Image search: [Google]

521KB, 1667x1200px

this is a well-adjusted individual

>>147126160
Seeking attention is basic female behaviour.
She's just trying to cater to unhealthy fetishes.

>>147104956
No. She was an asshole tho. Her character was bad; even though she thought she was doing good.

>>147104956
obviously it would be a redditposter making a thread about 3DPD shit

keep your unrealistic fantasies over on /r9k/ or whatever the reddit equivalent is

>>147120881
Ever wonder why stories now try to be the anti version of that nowadays? For some reason people like it. This stupid notion being passed onto students in schools by naive teachers of follow your dreams is stupid. They go to school; get an education and are let down because they can't pursue or do their dreams that don't exist in reality. That's some foolish propagation if I ever seen one.

>>147104956
The point of NHK was to show how narrow those ideas are, and how destiny laughs at your prospects.

From the point of view of well-adjusted individual, the real story of Sato and Misaki is more interesting than waifu fantasies, no matter whether it ends in romance or not.

>>147127787
Let me explain. Depressed and lonely people start to think differently, use black and white scales, and are caught in repeating tracks of thought.

Even normies (SFX: REEEE) acknowledge the change when they casually mention something like “I haven't had sex for WHOLE THREE MONTHS, I'm SO DEVASTATED, and it's totally impossible to cope with” (no, don't curse me for that sensation in your rectum).

“Welcome to NHK” opposes lifeless and Sato-centered dreams with real complex story of two people.

File: (╹ᴗ╹ ).jpg (30KB, 405x358px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 405x358px

>>147104956
Yeah
It's more me bettering myself to reach her, though, while she helps.

File: 1470856539802.png (678KB, 650x967px) Image search: [Google]

678KB, 650x967px

>>147104956
>falling for the Misaki meme
No wonder why the manga was so explicit. The message goes over the head of a lot of people.

>>147104956
No they don't.
That anime fooled us all

Fuck you all I understand Misaki and I still like her.
Someone taking pity of you is very comforting, even if it's just out of selfishness.

Anime>Novel>Manga

Manga is way too unrealistic

File: 1471071703479.jpg (27KB, 468x700px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 468x700px

>>147129587
That's pretty sad

>>147118013
I just read through your conversation and I can see good arguments on both sides.
However, I'm still inclined to believe that many "failures" or "hikkis" or similar cases, even if they relapse can be treated and some of them pretty much completely recovered with the right approach. We just still don't have enough knowledge about human psychology nor enough will to cater to each and every individual to solve this kind of problems effectively yet.
It is probably true that some, maybe even many, of the failures are just a bad combination of genes, personal attributes and (especially family) circumstances and are "condemned" to fail no matter what we do but even for them a treatment that could improve the overall quality of their life should be possible.
For many others,I believe, sometimes it is just a matter of proper care and assistance, and later, in times of crisis, appropriate support social and other structures before they can fully recover and lead a fulfilled and happy life.

>>147130147
Ehh being pitied is better than being alone.

File: nhk mis.png (176KB, 835x1244px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 835x1244px

I want to be Misaki's worm.

>>147130612
She's so cute, I want to be the pathetic NEET she uses to feel better about herself.

File: Sluts and skanks.jpg (92KB, 1000x833px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 1000x833px

>>147104956
>Do they exist?
Sure, if you have money.
If you're one of those privileged hikkis who's daddy's/mommy 's are filthy rich and monetary support your NEET ways.
You'll be swimming around them.

That being said, it baffles me how different anime Misaki is then her manga counterpart.
I like the crazy types, find them romantic, but the manga version is, how do I put this, grim.
Wouldn't have a remote idea of how to handle her character with that dark side and once I'd learned what she's out for, I'll see her as an enemy threat and would automatically distance myself/cut all ties with (like with the rest of this world) since I'd figure that what she sees and wants from me, she can get that from anyone else.

i want to double suicide with Misaki