Why was Father so much more entertaining as a shadowy blob rather

It really got to me how Father didn't even understand why what he was doing was wrong, he was just trying to learn more about this world he was brought into.

Is it fair to judge something so clearly not human as evil by human standards?

>>147038877
Shut the fuck up Kotomine

Because the show is about him becoming a god, it's not about him being a god.

>>147038932
Sorry I don't read or watch hentai

>>147038877
But he wasn't. His goal was the leave the bottle. He just saw this entire plane of existence as the bottle.

>>147038989
But does becoming a god have to make him so boring?

I know it's supposed to be ironic and exists only for thematic reasons. but I really wish he had more of a personality.

>>147038823
Perhaps because he was a more interesting character instead of a OP dude whose final fight makes it seem like this shit suddenly turned DBZ for no reason

>>147039723
The show was like that from the beginning.

I do agree that Father just took things to ridiculous levels, though.

>>147039599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PRSchbUMW4
Sorry for dub but listen to this, he legitimately doesn't understand what was wrong with his actions. His death pleas are begging Truth for answers and knowledge.

>>147038823
More like lovecraftian humanoid>no.23395 super power bishonen villain.

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Akira's Law: Every shounen anime, if it continues for long enough, will degenerate into a DragonballZ knockoff.

I felt Father was a pretty weak villain. Just my opinion. I like villains who appear to be evil and asshole but possess fear and acknowledge others.

>>147038823
Brotherhood a shit. 1st show was better

>>147039699
Because journey > destination

>>147039892
>Sorry for dub
Please, it's one of the few series where it's worthy of praise.

>>147041080
Exactly. He would've been more memorable if nothing else had he treated the Homonculi like his own children, instead of practically ignoring all them except Pride, somewhat.

I guess it was done for thematic reasons, like I mentioned above, but he ultimately seems like a generic "villain who doesn't care about anyone but himself," which has been done to death.

>>147041252
That's another thing: what exactly was Father's ultimate goal? What did he want? This anon >>147039599 mentions wanting to leave the flask, but why did he want to absorb Truth? What was the point? Did he have an inferiority complex toward humans and thought that was his way of being "above" them? If he hadn't lost all the Amestris souls, what was he going to do afterward? Waste his power until he needed to make another philosopher's stone? What was he going to do once he ran out of human souls to absorb?

I'm more interested in how the ancient Xerxians managed to isolate a piece of what was contained behind the door into a flask.

>>147041777
Hohenheim mentions that he gave a lot of blood to create Father. Maybe it was some kind of sacrifice, like equivalent exchange is?

>>147040334
What is that image supposed to convey?

Other than the re-experiencing the hype and disappointment that was WotLK

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>>147041927
It's open to interpretation. Like a Rorschach test.

I'm more interested about why Hohenheim didn't fuck anyone before Trisha.
He had his chance with young and cute Pinaco but instead of dancing with her he choose to play with the loli and waited many years before marying 1 woman, making 2 kids with her and then leaving them.

He actually did have his shadow blob personality for like 5 minutes when he first met Edward.
Then he turned into a generic villain until the last 5 minutes of his life.

>>147041777
Ed managed to attain what was behind the door mentally for doing human transmutation. I imagine the little creature inside the flask is a similar manifestation of that knowledge.

>>147042466
Yeah, he seemed genuinely surprised to know Hohenheim had kids. It was cute.

>>147038823
Because he split off his human emotions and desires by creating his seven homunculi.

>>147041144

1st show had no Lan Fan. It is therefore mathematically proven to be inferior.

>>147038877
Nope he was capable of empathy and understanding exactly what he was doing, he thought it was hilarious to kill everyone and leave only Hohenheim alive.

What made father interesting is he had all these human emotion and flaws despite not being a human. It separated him from generic shounen god complex villains.

>>147043773
This. He was obviously having human emotions and envied mankind. He fully understands that what he does is evil on some level but shrugs it off because he sees humans as inferior.

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>>147039892

Man, that managed to be even more depressing than Envy's death. Why do I feel this way for such unrepentantly evil creatures?

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>>147043743
Lyra > Lan Fan

>>147044709
His motives are relateable.
He looks more pitiful and sympathetic in that form.
Because for someone who's main motivation is wanting to know things, spending an eternity trapped in darkness to ponder a single question you'll never get an answer to is a harsh fate.

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>>147038877
He's a demon of artificial construction that wishes to cause suffering to untold millions. It is the duty of every able human to destroy it.

>>147044958
Does Father still even exist once he gets sucked back into the gate?

Father was meant to be a boring character with no growth because he always exchanged what was not his to acquire God. His door of truth was blank because he literally did nothing to improve himself and did the exact opposite and remove his 7 desires stunting his growth.

>>147045076
Nobody knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxgJqgbuNk\

Why does he stop fighting back and starts monologuing about Edward beating the shit out of him?

>>147045289
He doesn't understand why he is getting his ass kicked. So he loses his will to fight.

>>147038877
The lion may not eat you maliciously, but you can hardly be expected to let it eat you anyway.

>>147041252
Only if your choice of destination is shit.

How to get abs like Bucaneer?

>>147045576
Fight a bear

Looking back, FMA was kind of a shit series.

Who or what is father, where did he come from?
What were his goals?
Alkahestry, how does it work? Why does it stop Father?

And the whole setting was such a waste. We're dealing with alchemy and gods and all these huge fantastical concepts but the plot if the show is just overtaking some political conspiracy in Amestris. It really was such a waste of the setting.

>>147038823
As a shadow blob he still had all his emotions. Later on he outsourced his emotions into his homunculi, therefore becoming more stoic.

>>147045978
Literally all of your questions can be answered by paying attention.

>>147045978
Holy shit, I don't think you didn't even watched it.

>>147045978
RIP your time bro because you watched something and didn't see anything.

>>147045456
W-why is he getting his ass kicked at all? He has godlike powers so why doesn't he use them?

>>147045978
Jesus fucking Christ, anon. Do you have the attention span of a goldfish?
>father is a fragment of the god beyond the gate, who was manifested into the physical world by alchemy
>to become like and eventually supersede god, basically he wants to be the top dog
>flow of life energy or some shit (honestly I don't recall). Father can't defend against it because his magical foot powers can only stop tectonic plate movements which is what powers alchemy, but alkahestry uses another energy source that he wasn't aware of thus he doesn't have a method in place to stop people from using it (he didn't even know alkahestry existed in the first place)

>>147038823
Because he expelled all of his more entertaining traits as homunculus which left him empty

>>147039892
it's not a bad dub, but man, did they miss quite a few things in translation.
Not to mention that "Gods" voice isn't a mirror of whomever it's talking to, instead it's just a nondescript woman, apparently.

I'm nitpicking, I know, I know.

>Father swallows Truth
>first thing he does is create a hydrogen bomb
Those Japs can sure hold a grudge.

>>147038823
If father got rid of his greed why did he still want more power?

>>147044787
Was good when she was a normal alchemist, was absolute garbage as a villain body puppet.Something about being mind controlled by a 500 year old person is really a turn off.

>>147045978
>Alkahestry, how does it work?
Alkahestry was the best part of the series in many ways. It subverted everything we knew, in a reasonable way.

>>147047505

Because shounen and friendship.

>>147048377

just cuz

>>147040334
One Piece hasn't

>>147042466
Back then didn't he have greed inside of him?

>>147038823

No. He was better in Human like form

>>147038823
It's a shame that the main villain of the series turned out to be the worst and most boring one. All of the Homunculi were better and more entertaining than Father.

>>147045289
>The part with every character reacting to the fight is longer than the fight
Every anime. Every time.

>>147049583
He also acts angry, slothful, envious & prideful in the show. The 2003 version handled the 7 deadly sins much better.

>>147050406
I dunno. "Getting rid" of his sins but still acting upon them is a great message that you can never really get rid of them. It kinda fits in with the theme of the show.

>eyepatch hides his true power
what do they mean by this?

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>>147050582
You talking about this guy? I dunno anon maybe its because his eyeball has a fucking tattoo on it that is the symbol of the evil organisation the heroes are fighting against

>>147047505
>>147049543
No, because the power was too much for his body to handle. He could not contain God, it would have destroyed him.

>Father
>Shadowy blob.
Is this aPowerpuff Girls thread or something?

Why couldnt they pull Wrath out of Bradley the same way the pulled Greed out of Ling?

>>147051671
I thought bradley was a homonculous. just a special one that was more human like.

>>147051671
While Greed was a separate entity within Ling who had his own personality and everything, this doesn't appear to be the case with Wrath. Bradley didn't get his body taken over by Wrath, he became Wrath itself after he was infused with Father's stone. Remember that the stone was reduced to just one soul because Bradley resisted the transformation, so for all we know Bradley's soul died but his body remained, allowing Wrath's soul/essence/ghost juices or whatever to take control. Bradley still has his mind so he remembers his childhood from before, but might just have another soul where his should be

In short: Bradley and Wrath are the same dude

>>147051671
Wrath was the only thing left and had merged with the broken remains of Bradley's mind.

Lee was always there and fought against greed.

>>147052012
Just to add: Bradley's soul may not necessarily died. As I recall, during his convo with Mustang he said only the most wrathful soul survived. That could either be his own because his rage allowed him to resist the stone and kill all the other souls, or it could be Wrath's soul, or the soul of a particularly angry Xerxian)

Basically I'm autistic enough to remember details from a show I haven't watched in two years

>>147049907
Not all of them. Sloth definitely wasn't, nor was Gluttony. Their fight scenes were entertaining, but not their other scenes.

Also, why is Pride basically just Father in a little kid's body? Like they have practically the same exact powers and personality.

>>147038823
he just wanted to know everything, to live in this wide world without being bound by anything

desires he got from hohenheim, because he was born with his blood

>>147052738
Objective homunculi list from best to worst
1. Wrath
2. Greed
3. Lust (a sexy, A SEXY)
4. Envy
5. Gluttony
6. Pride
7. Sloth

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Wrath was a far better villain in my opinion.

I don't know, I feel like Father just fell a bit short in the end. His flask personality was definitely more interesting.

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Here's something I've always wanted to ask someone about, since I was genuinely dazzled by it.

In the final fight between Ed and Father there's this hilarious moment where everyone gets blasted away and the big bad guy starts walking veeery slowly towards Ed who is stuck to a piece of debris. Everyone watches, no one dares to move a muscle, and Father gets nearer and nearer.

My question is: what in the everliving fuck was the point of Mei Ling throwing those knives at Ed and sacrificing Ed to give him back his arm? Since her special kind of alchemy seemed to work anyway, why didn't she just throw some knives under / in front of Father to blow him the fuck out? He was very clearly vulnerable to even the most basic of things (punches), is there some reason as to why she didn't do that?

>>147053231
sacrificing Al*

>>147052903
Pretty accurate list

>>147053100
Because Wrath had more of a personality, or at least showed his off more.

He was friendly to the Elrics and Mustang's crew early on, but as soon as he found Greed, he showed off his intense "wrath," and utterly rekt him. Wrath did this with Greed's chimeras, and later, nearly Scar too.

>>147053231
Drama/plot convenience. I think Father had just released a large burst of energy moments before that literally blew everyone away, so they may have all been too stunned or hurt to move, like Hohenheim and Alphonse were.

>>147053342
It was also a stressful moment I'm sure, so they probably weren't thinking clearly.

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>Best character
>Most relatable motives and sin
>Is a bro
Why is he the best homonculi?

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>>147053342
>>147053380
Yeah, but Al and Mei Ling were clearly sane enough to come up with the whole 'throw the knives at Ed's missing arm and sacrifice your body' etc.

Had she simply thrown one of her bombs at Father everything about Ed sacrificing his alchemy could've easily been avoided. Hell, considering the state he was in, even sniping him with simple kunais would've done the trick.

I guess it was just plot convenience after all

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For anyone in this thread thinking "but gee, Father only wanted knowledge and perfection. What is wrong with wanting to have that and pursue it?"
Don't forget that his ideas of perfection were against the system, like The Truth calls him out on. Certain things that happened during the final battle that worked against his favour were the result of that, and what happened afterwards when talking with The Truth can also be seen as his punishment for trying to defy how this universe works.

>>147038823

shitty writing

>>147038823
>god
>ever being an entertaining villain

>>147043743
Lan Fan is literally the worst girl in all FMA continuities.

>>147053498
see
>>147053531

>>147053554
If he has more of a personality than boring, flat. monotone, and lacking any kind of passion or excitement, then yes he can be.

>>147045978
I agree FMA B was kinda shit
FMA on the other hand had at least a great first half and one of the best openings seen in anime

>>147049642
One Piece was a DBZ clone from the very beginning, revolving around Luffy beating up the bad guy to save an island. HxH on the other hand has become less shounen the further it goes, just look at the Election and Dark Continent arcs.

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>>147053577
>Lan Fan
>Worst girl
Are you at least able to explain your shit taste!

>>147053716
inb4 SSJ Gon

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>>147053716
Honestly, fuck Luffy. He's one of the few things I hate about OP.

They mixed the names of the homunculi in the 2003 anime, right?

>>147053919
Wrath in Brotherhood was Bradley, but in the 2003 series he was Pride. I think that was the only name change.

>>147052903
I'd have switched Lust with Envy, honestly. But that's pretty much my list too.

>>147054015
>In the first anime adaptation, Sloth is the product of the Elric brothers' attempt to revive their mother, Trisha Elric, found by Dante and fed incomplete Philosopher's Stones until she assumes her original form's likeness.

>>147054165
I know about that. But Sloth's name wasn't switched like Bradley's was. 2003 Sloth was a completely different character than Brotherhood Sloth.

>>147053520
What were his ideas of perfection? Getting rid of his sins wasn't it?

>>147052903
I'd swap Pride with Gluttony
Greed should've survived, not Pride

>>147048377

Because he didn't get rid of his greed. He thought he did, but he didn't. Thats the main point of his character. He believes he's elevating himself above humanity but the truth is he was experiencing human desires and emotions the whole time while mocking humans for having them. He never changed at all.

>>147041595
>This anon >>147039599 mentions wanting to leave the flask, but why did he want to absorb Truth?
Because he wanted to know everything, anon. If he absorbed the thing that knew everything, then he'd know everything too.

>>147052012
>becaause Bradley resisted the transformation
Actually, it's explained that Wrath by nature can't get along. Wrath fighting itself is the entire process. Bradley happened to be the guy who survived having such a process occur within his body.

>>147055977
Ah, but what then? What would he do with that knowledge?

>>147053498
>Al and Mei Ling were clearly sane enough to come up with the whole
Only Al. And that's because him slowly dying had been a major part of his thought process for a couple weeks by then.
Seeing his brother helpless with his only arm stuck probably triggered the obvious solution easily.

>>147052738
The show explains that every other Sin emerges from having Pride.
It's more or less the 'original Sin' if you will. Hence it made sense that it would have the exact powers as Father.

>>147056027
He'd find out once he got it.

>>147056092
kek

>>147055756
True. This is further supported during his conversation with Truth at the end.

>>147053411
Because he didn't take the "greed is automatically evil" route.

>>147038823
That's actually addressed in the series. He desired to be perfect and separated himself from his seven deadly sins. What you get in the end is a completely tame personality with no malice left. Father only preserved the flat out impulse of his original motive.

>>147047662
>tectonic plates power alchemy
Now this is a clear area where the original anime was better than brotherhood. The mechanism for what powers alchemy in the original is so much better than in Brotherhood.

>>147043743
1st show had '03 Wrath. It is therefore mathematically proven to be superior.

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>>147056714
Everything about the ''''''''''''''''science'''''''''''' in FMA is a bad comedy sketch to anybody who's studied real chemistry. Don't think too deeply on it if you want to enjoy the show.
That goes for pretty much any work of fiction dealing with science, to be fair. You're not watching for the science anyways.

>>147056858
He probably meant cooler, not more accurate

>>147056714
>At the end of the anime series, it is explained that the energy powering transmutation is actually the energy of departed human souls passing through The Gate
Its not that great. The only thing we got out of it, was Literally Hitler and Airships.

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>>147056858
Well yeah no shit, it's alchemy lel.

But the whole idea of deaths from our world powering their alchemy is a pretty cool plot twist that tickled my liking much more than fucking tectonics. I guess I just have a bias towards the 2003 version since it was the first one I watched.

Plus the whole 'their world our world' thing was what gave us pic related.

>>147042177

Hohenheim is the purest and best husbando in existence.

>>147040334
FMA didn't really, actually.
Probably because it ended when it was supposed to end.

>>147044787
I hated how she was taken over and rotted away.
Poor girl deserved better.

>>147050710
Yeah, he needed the 50 million Amestrians to do that.

>>147041777
Deus ex I think

>>147055445
Agreed, Pride was nasty to the core.
But technically Pride didn't survive, without any memories and stuff, and presumably only one soul.

>>147050406
That's the point dumbass

>>147055007
I suppose so?
I don't really remember it, but getting rid of sins were definitely part of it. Most of all, it was him becoming the perfect being.

>>147056858
Well, alchemy was a the mother science to chemistry with spiritual beliefs involved. The real historical deal is even more crazy than the anime.

>>147058771
Father wanting to become a perfect being is actually pretty close to what many medieval alchemists sought during their search for the philosopher's stone.

How do you guys think Dante and Father would have gotten along?

>>147050406
How were they handled better in the 2003 series?

I liked Dante so much more. She's a woman infatuated with a man who did all the work. He left her and she turned into a vile witch obsessed with running from her sins "there is no equivalent exchange, everything is mine"
Greedy bitch hiding behind her intellect unable to accept reality.

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Who's your favourite character from the show? Mine's Olivia Armstrong.

>>147065294
Edward in 2003 anime.

>>147065135
She seemed more like a subtle villain, in the sense that she wasn't always over-the-top with the action like Father was.

Father's goal is more interesting, but Dante's is more relatable/realistic.

>>147065294
Brotherhood Scar for the look, voice, and fight with Wrath, but 2003 Scar for everything else.

>>147065294
A tie between Hughes and Ed, in general.


But in terms of shotacon: 2003 wrath.

>>147041422
(you)

>>147052903
replace lust with sloth and you have an airtight list my friend

>>147042466
>>147049673
Shit yeah, I think you figured it out. He had a little bit of personality and fun to him because of Greed. When he boiled Greed down Father was his cold self, and when he gave Greed to Ling he became that again.

>>147052903
I would put Greed first and Envy second. Greed for being the most likeable in my opinion and Envy for turning out so interesting (both versions).

>>147065294
Greed, Edward and Alphonse (as a team going on adventures), and Izumi. Ling was also pretty likeable.

I wish we got to see Izumi react to meeting Greed in Ling's body before the final battle, that could've been amusing.

>>147068207
Sloth better than Lust? I assume you're talking about the 2003 one, otherwise you would be wrong.

>>147069069
no, fight me

Bradley seemed more religious in the 2003 anime than he did in Brotherhood. Why was that?

>>147038823
2003>>>>>>>>>>Brotherhood

Suck it, nerds.

>>147052760
This. Is not that hard.

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>>147044958
>spending an eternity trapped in darkness to ponder a single question you'll never get an answer to is a harsh fate.

>>147066531
>being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian

>>147049642
>My haki is stronger than yours

Full Metal Alchemist is one of the few anime i really enjoyed, are there any others in a similar frame?

I even liked the D Grayman manga, but stopped reading a few years back.

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sloth a best

he just wanted to rest ;_;

>>147038823
reading GOH has made me think, is this a form of myth in the japanese culture where someone with knowledge try to separate his knowledge from his feelings and create a monster filled with knowledge, but absolutly evil?

>>147073234
is d grayman good? its one of the recommended anime that is similar to FMA

wondering if that comparison holds up or not

also i recently rewatched 2003 again to get a fresh perspective, and still like Brotherhood over 2003

>>147074805
Is there anything one series does better than the other? I mean the two FMA's, I can't speak for D-Grayman.

>>147038990
Your loss

>>147074932
2003 is good, i just like Brotherhood A LOT more

i liked the way brotherhood explored the concept of alchemy, how its explained, and the primary antagonists as opposed to the primary antagonist of the 2003 series

also liked the homuncili better in brotherhood than 2003

some things 2003 did better include being more graphic/disturbing in certain scenes

some people liked the 2003 soundtrack better, i think theyre both good

also ending of brotherhood was better too IMO

tried to give my thoughts without including any spoilers

Dwafr in the Flask was a way better character than father. Father had a Brainiac feel to him. His character did not expand beyond what his goals were.

>>147074805
D-gray man is an okay Manga, but the anime is just terrible. I haven't read very much of the manga either, so I don't know how it is now. Shounens usually go to shit after a while.

>>147056825

03 Wrath was a faggot and so are you

>>147038823
Because he took the more interesting parts of himself and made 7 people out of it.

Brotherhood is best FMA faggots
'03 fags get out

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>>147075591
guilty as charged

>>147078328
Why were Wrath and Envy traps in this series?

>>147078821
Pretty sure Envy was genderless

>>147038877
He wasn't wrong about that, that was the whole point. But right or wrong he still had to pay up for an equivalent change. Forces of nature don't judge. He did indeed manage to get by the rule, but in the end he decided to trade it for a battle with Ed for plot reasons

>>147078975
He was born from Hohenheim and Dante's dead son in the 2003 series, and is often referred to as "he" and "him."

>>147039892
Eh, it's the best dub out there so whatever.

Space Dandy, Bebop, and Baccano fags need not apply.

I've only ever watched the first FMA anime and read about half the manga (i felt the manga start dragging on)

Is Brotherhood worth a watch?

>>147078821
Envy, because that's how Arakawa designed him. I don't remember if he had any solid reason to hide his true appearance all the time in 2003.
Wrath, if I had to guess, was because they liked the irony of the most violent Sin being a cute little kid.

>>147079591
It's pretty great, but there are some things the other series does better. I've heard that a good rule of thumb is to watch the first half of the 2003 series, then jump to Brotherhood once the other series starts diverging from the manga and continue from Brotherhood's middle.

>>147079755
Is Brotherhood's dub any good?
I thought the first anime's dub was fairly good and from what I know Ed and Al have the same voices.

>>147079591
I'd just watch all of 2003 and then all of brotherhood. I heard that doing half of one then half of the other has too many inconsistencies in the story for it to be enjoyable.

>>147079591
It's good, but don't expect depth of the first anime.

>>147079838
>>147079755
Nonsense. That's just muh manga accuracy rubbish. Fist anime is great from start to finish. Second one has a weak begining and last fourth.

>>147079815
It gets pretty damn superb at a lot of points, but overall I'd say it's really above average.

>>147080077
the fuck you on about senpai?
how does what I said (>>147079838) indicate "muh manga accuracy rubbish"?
as a matter of fact I prefer 2003 to BH. but both should be experienced seperately

>>147080307
Wrong quote, that one.

>>147056858
Except Planetes.

Planetes was basically the future until the Columbia blew up.