Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1662

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>>146811943

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UIKEKbHREk

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I studied for I don't know how long and it feels good.

I hate myself for having to lower my daily cards because of uni classes

KLCC in pdf, nothing special. Just compiled all the images into a pdf


https://mega.nz/#!4Bt1kTyB!Ldt4K8fSEy6fOxyMEXb4aqjgVSea8LZ3eqrGJV5GUuY

Remember to 下学上達 and to not 玩物喪志

>>146805340
Missed this earlier. It's すのはら荘の管理人さん. I'm very slowly translating it for practice

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Post J-cat scores/JLPT scores

>>146812997
>下学上達
ちんぷんかんぷん

>no time to do any new cards because keep staying up to like ~4am skyping Japanese girls

How long does it take to stop subvocalizing?

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Daily reminder half of Japan says the simplest word wrong.

>>146813837
We're all between 200-250 since we're all self-assessed N3's thanks to self-learning.

>>146814078
I had to google this. I do it in English and I'm fairly certain I read more, and quicker, than the average person. Is there really anything wrong with this? Isn't the alternative simply skimming?

I've had Japanese friends say they don't actually read kanji in a sentence, they just get the meaning and move on (which is why they can encounter unknown kanji and assume the meaning). I feel like this is a fundamental difference between the two languages that makes a lot of us 出来ない.

>>146814078
Do most people not actually read what they read?

>>146814177
>Is there really anything wrong with this? Isn't the alternative simply skimming?
It hinders your reading speed, but that's not really a problem unless you feel that you read too slowly.

>>146814288
>>146814266
I feel like the people who argue against subvocalizing typically aren't reading for the quality of the work, but care rather for the quantity.

Limiting subvocalizing seems useful for tests/exams or reports/instructions, but I can't imagine using this method for anything with literary qualities.

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So I started up Rewrite.

Japs sure love their intro speeches don't they. Maybe I should try something easier.

Just finished 坊ちゃん. It was easier than I expected, partially thanks to the 10 or so pages of annotations that were extremely helpful.

I wonder what I should read next. Maybe something written more straightforward like an LN or manga.

>>146814447
You do realize Rewrite is translated, right?

I mean, it has been out for a while.

>>146814554
Where do you think you are?

>>146813875
is she cute? Where do you get those kind of jap girls? Does she show you her pantzu as well?
Man I would love to get someone like those too and get her to show me her oppai

>>146814824
>Does she show you her pantzu as well?
Pretty much no girl will ever want to talk to you if you have priorities like that.

>>146814824
>is she cute?
Pretty damn kawaii

>Where do you get those kind of jap girls?
I found her on hellotalk. We're really good friends now if you catch my drift. Also really helps my Japanese talking all the time

>>146814861
yeah I've been told I give off creepy vibes but it's something I'm working on.
It's hard cause when they finally open up to you, you want to jump straight into your fetish but you have to take baby steps which is something I have no patience for.
Hentai and anime ruined me man

Thirsty ass niggers

>>146814920
It's a problem I've noticed in way too many guys, so it's probably not just an anime/hentai thing. Too bad it's also a massive turn off.

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おにーいちゃん

うふふ　よんでみただけ

>>146815071
it sucks being patience too cause they change hearts like they change clothes.
one day they like you and the other they hate you for no reason.
if being patience means 100% success rate then sure I'll bite but it doesn't so I just go through a bunch until I found a weirdo like me and stick with it.
idk man, I dont have a gf or friends, I'm just theory crafting here. obviously my theory is flawed otherwise I won't be in this predicament.

>>146815210
そこで雨が降ってるの

>>146814447
>ある時、何も持っていないことに気づいた。
I relistened to that opening every time I started a new route, it's so good.
It also gains more meaning as you understand more about the character and his motivation and meaning.

itt noobs with empty pockets

>>146814391
This is only because you don't read enough.
Any sufficiently read native should have no problem properly appreciating the text without taking the time to read it aloud, even if it's internally.

>>146815725
I read plenty and subvocalize.
I can't read without it, every time I try I hate it.

>>146814899
>We're really good friends now if you catch my drift.
I don't think I follow, what exactly did you mean by this?

>>146815725
That was me you replied to. I guarantee you I read quite enough.

Subvocalizing is fine. I can't imagine reading certain works without it, because it would completely strip the work of any assonance, rhythm or many other rhetorical devices. Like I said, skimming is only useful for works you don't care to put any emotional involvement into - it's the equivalent of /a/'s suggestion to just watch anime at 2x speed to get through series quicker. It's silly.

Unless subvocalization is referring to the actual act of mouthing words, in which case yeah, that's ESL behavior. Though I do think it's a necessary part of the language acquisition process for plenty of people.

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>>146815497
くもりだよ

いまにもなみだがこぼれおちそうなおそらだよ

>>146816107
At least in my experience, most works aren't written like Shakespeare, with rhyme or iambic pentameter or the like. I'll agree that for stories where the very text is poetry, you should be subvocalizing, but I don't think this is true for the majority.

Furthermore, I don't agree that it's only useful for works you don't care to put any emotional involvement into, as a story can be just as moving and powerful without the need for poetic devices, and for those, it's a superior experience to not subvocalize. Skimming is different as it implies not fully appreciating the words and taking in only the general gist, whereas you can read a page with full appreciation at a speed far greater than a person talks.

>>146815071
For you

>>146815071
This is a no girls allowed thread. You need to leave. いま ！！

>>146816300
I feel retarded without kanji to guide me.

>>146816558
Nah.

>>146815270
dont talk about you
let them talk about them and feign interest in the answers
bam, they like you, no matter what gender

>>146815270
>>146814920
>>146814824
You'd probably have a lot better luck if you stop treating women like they're some kind of expendable fetish doll to fuel your perpetual lonely boner.

Not even being a white knight. It just looks and sounds really pathetic. Nobody is going to want to be your boyfriend if you come off as some sort of sex-deprived retard.

>>146815270
>I'm unwilling to change my extremely obvious and horrible flaws so I'll just wait for some other extremely flawed person to date me until we inevitably sperg out on each other and break up

>>146816702
>perpetual lonely boner.
found my band name

/djp/ how much importance would you place in trying to find a penpal/language exchange person?
Is it possible to learn reading without live interaction? Is it pointless to even try?

>>146814920
>It's hard cause when they finally open up to you, you want to jump straight into your fetish but you have to take baby steps which is something I have no patience for.
Did you start talking to them with that express purpose in mind? You're probably better off just sticking to hentai if that's all you want to talk to them for.

>>146816628
今にも泪が零れ落ちそうな御空

東京に住むのは本当にいいよな。 妻の実家の近くに引っ越したためだけどずっと前から東京がいいなと思ったから嬉しいね。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg

>>146816558
im girl

べっぴん as fuck i might add

>>146816912
If you're just learning reading and nothing else, it's not necessary. You can learn that from books and media.

If you want to learn Japanese with any sort of competency and relevancy (conversation, listening, speaking, native tendencies, etc.), you'll need experience speaking with native people. My Japanese level exploded at enormous rates after I started speaking to my friends on LINE and after getting married to a Japanese citizen.

>>146817001
do you ever go full プンプンビーム

>>146817046
Any places you can recommend to find contacts?

>>146817153
2ch

>>146817182
I thought gaijins couldn't post there.

>>146817001
くつ頂行う

>>146817146
yah its called my post history

>>146817235
imi wakanneeeee ブロ

>>146817153
The best choice is obviously just moving to or visiting Japan, but I'm assuming you don't want to do that.

As for online sites, I imagine that most of them are like dating websites where they're 90% weirdos and scams.

Steam is a good place, actually. Half of my friend list is Japanese people. Play a multiplayer game on a JP server, then add some people from your game and try talking to them.

how tf are you supposed to keep up with anki after uni starts

>>146817767
Visiting sounds nice but I don't think a week of tourism in Japan would help me achieve fluent levels.

The Steam idea sounds pretty good, didn't think of it.

I can't listening japanese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYWlMwySIeE

>>146816329
I feel like it's still necessary for humor, and just dialogue in general.
Imagining stuff that's written in the book is the fun part of reading, no? Intentionally muting the characters in your head to go faster doesn't sound like a good time to me.

>>146817930
No, but a week of tourism will let you meet Japanese people and get some contacts. That's what I meant.

Check out TF2Japan and other Steam groups like that. Just pick some active people, add them, and try to talk to them. If they blow you off, just try somebody else. Just be honest and tell them that you're serious about studying Japanese and want a sort of pen pal thing.

lets be real if someone added you out of nowhere and said they wanted to learn english youd just laugh and tell them to eat shit

if youre gonna add people playing videogames you better be a fucken champ at the game so that they want to put up with your gaijin shit because you got mad gaming skills

>>146818225
>lets be real if someone added you out of nowhere and said they wanted to learn english youd just laugh and tell them to eat shit
Maybe if you're an asshole?

And even if some stupid asshole on Steam told me to eat shit for that, I'd just forget about that person and try somebody else.

>>146817153
http://www.japan-guide.com/local/?aCAT=2
Just don't try to talk to teenagers, seriously, you'll instantly hate it.

>>146818131
I don't agree that you need to subvocalize dialogue to imagine it. Maybe you put on a little voice in your mind for each character and picture them saying each line in that voice, but I personally am happy with reading it, imagining the scene and conversation without conjuring an image of each individual syllable.

It's just a matter of personal taste though, and in Japanese I still mostly subvocalize because my reading isn't quite fast enough to outpace my thoughts yet.

>>146818386
some people think subvocalization means "reading in your head" which it doesn't

subvocalization is actually a physical thing

the only people that subvocalize are functional illiterates and people with disorders of primal empathy

>>146818225
If someone at least kinda interesting wanted to learn some English off of me I'd probably be a bit excited.

I know I love when my immigrant coworkers ask about American language, culture or history stuff. Then again I always wished I could be a teacher.

I'm >>146813702 , might as well ask here since there's no scanlation thread up. If an older lady says "ara" should I translate that as "oh dear" (I mean in this specific context in which that's what it means, not every time she says "ara"), or should I just keep it as "ara"? You know, considering the audience?

>>146818617
Do whatever the fuck you want buddy

>>146818617
what if its not a older lady that says it and instead is a high school boy unconsciously recalling his childhood trauma through speech and mannerisms

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おにいちゃん

おなかすいた

かなしくってもおなかはすくんだね

>>146818617
If you couldn't parse that sentence, you have absolutely zero business translating in the first place, so I think worrying about leaving words untranslated is a little above your pay grade.

>>146818711
おまえを食うてやるわ

おっとちょっとうんこ漏らした

>>146818753
Like I said, very slowly.

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>>146818781
ただしく？は

>おまえを食ろうてやるわ

だよ

なんで「ろ」がはいるのかはわからないし

せつめいできないよ

ごめんねおにいちゃん

>その昔航海士達は未踏の地を求め海洋に乗り出しました。
Core deciding to step up it's example sentence game.

>>146818885
thats cool and all but if youre still pooping your pants shouldnt you just work on that before trying to do more big boy activities

theres nothing worse than going outside to play with your friends only to find one of them shit his pants and you have to tell him to go home and change

>>146818901
どもども～
あんたはいい子だね～

>>146818901
一つ勉強になりました

Can anyone do my reps for me? I'll pay you like 5 bucks
(over 90% retention only)

>>146818885
The key to fan-translating is to not get caught up in these little things, just pick one and go with it, as long as it isn't egregiously bad English grammar no one will care.

If you're doing serious translation work, it becomes important to pick what flows best, and requires actual writing talent in the language you're translating to.

>>146819128
Send me the file and I'll hold enter until my fingers bleed, brah.

>>146819076
really makes you think

>>146819157
About why the quality of posts in this thread is so low

the key to fan translating is to ignore the japanese and just write whatever you want because you are the one that is in control

>>146819194
make a good post. go

>>146819232
Any post is a good post when you use proper capitalization

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>>146819232
どう

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>>146819078
>>146819106
あたしはいつでも味方だよ

これまでも

これからも

>>146819267
>file name
>no rope

Why would anyone train to be a specialized translator?

Why would you be a legal translator when you can be a lawyer?
Why would you be a medical translator whn you can be a doctor?
Why would you be a patent translator when you can be a patent lawyer?

etc etc, the pay is half for more work.

>>146819255
you know when i romanize さすが it looks like the word sausage to me

>>146819267
im the black one

>>146819342
life isnt all about money though i can only say that because i have it prolly

>>146819342
Because they're dumb. Translators are not smart people, that's why they get monkey jobs like these. That's why you see thousands of polyglots, but not a lot of people with triple majors in the sciences.

>>146819342
Because my father is one and I love the way he thinks and speaks about his work.

>>146819342
Because it's comfy and easier than those other things

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I am getting 600 reviews a day now. I honestly can't deal with this shit anymore, what do? Vocab is maybe 9000.

I need a real solution, no memes. Has anyone actually progressed far enough with Anki to have this problem and how did you deal with it? I really don't know what the fuck to do anymore


The more words you put in, the more reviews you get and on and on, does the ride ever end?

>>146819342
Because it's an easy job and doesn't require years of education.

Not to mention that it's brain dead simple for anybody who is bilingual.

>>146819342
the bulk of lawyer work is being automated
people are so fat these days that i think our general health is pretty good, doctors are still in demand though

automation will never solve language

>>146819452
Lower your new cards or find a way to increase your retention

>>146819452
Real solution, no memes: do less new cards. How the fuck are you getting 600 anyway?

How does Anki work?

I added a basic kanji deck, but it only does about 20 or 30 of them before it says I'm "done for the day." And they're beginner level 1st year kanji.

>>146819491
rtfm

>>146819503
Remember the Fucking Man'yougana?

>>146819521
できれば

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あのんくん

れいばーずDayってなに？

なにかとくべつなたべものをたべたり

とくべつなぎょうじをしたりするの？

>>146819452
I suppose reading is one of the solutions you consider to be a meme?
Honestly you don't need anki beyond 1-2k words.

>>146819342
more fun. why would anyone become any of the things you listed? interacting with humans is fucking gross

>>146819489
Most of them are from this year, since I've been doing like 20 a day. There are about 4000 cards in that deck and it gets a good 400 a day in it, plus another 200 from old decks. Is it really such an unusual number?

It just seems inevitable that the reviews eventually pile up this high, unless I take the rest of the year to stop adding new cards and get it all down again, I guess. I have tried reducing card counts but the end result over time seems to only be around 100 less, so it's not exactly a great improvement.

>>146819632
20 new cards a day = about 150-300~ reviews

if you get much higher than that then you're probably getting an extreme amount of cards wrong

>>146819632
Granted, my vocab is half as big (4000 from core and 1000 from mining), but still, I usually get 200 reviews on core and 100 on my mining deck with 20 new cards on both. I don't see how you could possibly get 600 reviews unless your retention is unusually low.

I don't understand how SRS works. I thought I did, I added X new cards a day, and my reviews remained roughly constant after a couple of weeks.

But I stopped adding words to my core deck, and instead started doing exactly the same amount of new words in a second deck.

But for some reason, my reviews are about 1.5x what they used to be, after leaving it a couple of weeks to settle down.

>>146819611
>Honestly you don't need anki beyond 1-2k words.
Of course you don't need it, it speeds it up massively though.

>>146819708
>>146819684
My retention seems to be around 65%. Is this bad?

>>146819632
New cards don't keep increasing your daily reps ad infinitum. You're doing something wrong.

>>146819844
Very. 75%~ is the lowest you should ever get, and even that only on bad days. Aim for an average of 80+.

>>146819844
Yeah, that's definitely below average. How exactly do you use Anki, if I may ask? Like, what are your criteria for again, hard, good, easy?

>>146819844
Ban enough for me to disregard your posts as bait until you post a screenshot

Senpai, are there any websites that have raw manga with furigana? I'm trying to practice my reading

>>146819844
Yes

Lower your new cards to like 10 or less for a while
Do your reps early in the morning
Don't have any music or anything on while you're doing them
Don't try and rush through them
Spend more time on words that you consistently get wrong

>>146819632
>plus another 200 from old decks
How the FUCK?
I have a half a year old core6k and I get like 20 cards a day from it now that most of the cards matured.

>>146819909
Just download some shounen manga

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>>146819895
>>146819891
>>146819878
>>146819863
Here is the main problem deck. My other decks are around 75%-80% retention. You can see there's about 200 a day, but that's before reviews, so you add the reds from the previous day plus new cards and it ends up close to 400 every day.

>>146819863
They technically can, if you keep adding words every day for actual infinity.

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>>146819969

>>146819909
CoR, AnimeBytes, nyaa. Check the reading list to get some recommendations for manga with furigana.

>>146819891
Hard, if I think I'll probably understand it next time I see it, I guess, but maybe it took a while.
Normal just for understanding it in most cases.
Easy if I am kind of sick of seeing it recently and answered it correctly.

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>>146819968
god, i hate shounen. Seems like I have no choice
>>146819993
thanks, I probably should have checked the faq before asking a stupid question

>>146819969
>14.4% correct
How

>>146819863
That's nice but I can't aim for any particular number, I either get them wrong or I get them right.

>>146820019
>>146819969
Sounds like you're doing Anki the "right" way, so your problem is definitely retention. If this is a deck that you made yourself, you could look into fleshing out your cards: for example, add sample sentences if you're not doing that already, or pictures for certain words. Otherwise, just temporarily disable new cards until you get comfortable with your seen cards.

>>146820079
Those ones today were all new ones I'd never seen before. I didn't start with the green ones, I just started with the blues and then removed the cap from 0 afterward.

>>146820073
Shounen is a demographic, not a genre.
There's plenty of good furigana'd shit that isn't dragonballz

>>146819969
If it weren't for a somewhat regular stream of new cards added these stats would contain every single red flag of Anki misuse there is

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>>146820103
Some of the cards are probably shitty made I guess. I hate doing anki in general. I honestly believe this is probably why the retention is low, I really don't give a fuck and I push again literally half the time. But it's still being honest, cause I really don't know them. But I probably can't make myself care about knowing them either. Idk what to do honestly. I wish there was a better way than Anki but still structured. If I "just read" I'm afraid I won't do enough cause there's no structure to it. With Anki I can at least measure progress.

Is using premade Anki sets actually good? I tried Anki a few months ago (not for Japanese, but that doesn't matter). I could remember the words I added manually, but it was really hard unless I remembered the situation in which I originally found the word. I just kept forgetting the ones of which I forgot the context. Which is why I think using images along with text would be a good idea. Because of this, I don't see premade Anki sets actually working.

>>146820073
Not all shounen is the same. Claiming that all shounen is shit because there are some shit titles is the same as saying that all manga is shit because there are some shit manga out there.

>>146820128
what do then

>>146820182
Some people just can't deal with the environment you get in anki, my retention is pretty low too and it's just because my brain doesn't really function if shit isn't engaging, if you're really that bad at anki though you should be making up for it by reading literally all the time

>>146820182
>I wish there was a better way than Anki but still structured.
You'd just fuck the structure up again and fall into another slump. Like, there's literally no tool offering better structure than Anki with its potential of customization. The fault lies with the user.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMfCY8sm0E
ganbare

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>>146814554
>reading translations ever

>>146818901
「食うてやる」は「食ってやる」の西日本方言。正しい。

Thank god 4chans back I almost accidentally learnt Japanese

>>146820287
ほ～

DJTはどんな酒を飲んでるか？

私はストレートエッジだから酒など飲んでないぞ

>>146820344
もうお酒を飲まないだけどラムが好きでした

>>146820390
素面
下戸
この単語を覚えると便利だよ

>>146820344
酒を飲むと勉強できないぞ

いもうとと大麻を吸おうよ

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>>146820503
>いもうとと大麻を吸おうよ

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>>146820467
>しらふ

もしよかったら私の小便飲んでどうぞ

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>>146820514

>>146820552
可愛い少女ですか

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMfCY8sm0E
ganbare

>>146820639
一応

>>146820736
kimi mo gambare

soko no kimi mo gambare

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>>146811943
A little bit of an update on the dojg index linked on the grammar page of the op site (bit of a mouthful, yeah). Of the Basic volume, I've so converted 100 of the 219 or so concept note images. What I did was work through the largest images, by file size, which means the remaining concepts are on average less than half the size of the ones I've been working on. Should be set to update the Basic/Basic night page/s within the next five days, maybe less, with a completed version.
I must say that from the current state, it is much easier to use as a reference than it was before with all the notes as images.

Here is an example of how all the entries will generally appear, using some of the concepts with larger Notes:
http://bunpou.neocities.org/example.html

Also, do you want me to remove or keep the dynamic wide ゆのっち from the djt.neocities front page? I put it there to see how "wide" I could make it look before the page layout started to fall apart, but forgot to remove it. Probably should have done it on a non-public testing page.

>95% retention on Core
>75% retention on mining deck
Very sad!

>>146818456
Actually that's exactly what it means, and it's normal.

Is there any reason why japs use image based subtitles in their BD releases of anime?

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To the anon that recommended the DoJG anki deck which I intentionally avoided because I thought it would be too hard to use due to the structure of putting grammar on flashcards.

>>146821158
Because it's a blu ray standard.

>>146821225
How do I use that deck? Use it along with DOJG or just use it like a normal Anki deck?

>>146821054
>98% on both
Am I the only übermensch in this thread?

>>146821347
I'm just using it like a normal deck. So far a lot of it is super easy stuff but I've already learned a few things about が I didn't know.

>>146821347
The DoJG Anki deck is one of the worst things ever made.

Grammar should never be done through Anki - unlike vocab, it's too complex and context-reliant to be squeezed onto flashcards, so you either have these enormous cards which are awful for the quick recollection that Anki is designed for, or cards which miss a lot of the depth and subtlety required to actually understand the grammar point in the wild. Consulting DoJG is good and useful, but you should learn grammar from reading. Attempting to do it through Anki will only cripple your progress.

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今日も「うぇいうぇい」しますね！！

>>146821495
You shouldn't have even written this post. The indoctrinated fags here are beyond saving and the sane ones don't need everything explained to them.

>>146821495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc0m6R4zUyE

Anki makes me tilt, and the more I tilt, the worse I do and the the more reviews I have every day after that.
I wish I could tilt away for a day without it affecting other shit down the road.

>>146822010
>tfw love Anki

Feels good man

>>146822010
>tfw Anki loves me
Feels amazing man

>>146822010
Aw dude you have aids, poz my neg hole please.

>>146822010
Just remember that anki is like the least important part of learning Japanese, even if you fail anki constantly and have shit stats it doesn't make any difference, as long as you just make sure to keep reading and listening to native material every day then it's fine

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What the hell is the character on the bottom left of the kanji block?
I mean, I can read "supersonic needle-thatcharacter".

Is that even a kanji?

>>146822158
針鼠 you scrub

>>146822173
>鼠

Ah, thanks.

>>146822158
Are you retarded? That's a pretty fucking readable font

>>146822233
I didn't know the kanji. That's all.

>>146822223
I don't even know how many people I've told this to but if you know at least one kanji in a word you can just type in, for example, "針？" on Jisho and it'll show you all the words with 針 at the front

http://jisho.org/search/%E9%87%9D%EF%BC%9F

Fifth result down

You could have also just typed in "hedgehog" since it's obvious that that's what it was

>>146822252
Why are you buying Sonic shirts anyways?

>>146822313
I'm not. That shit simply popped up in a news feed.

>>146822252
What if I tell you that you don't have to know the fucking kanji to draw it in google translate?

>>146822348
bullshit

>>146822348
I tried copying it into a kanji recognition software, but I thought that on the far left was a full length vertical stroke, so it (correctly) obviously did not offer me that as a result.

>>146822403
So it's just as I hypothesized earlier, you are retarded.

>tfw you learn 丈夫

>>146821409
Like what?

>>146822473
*sharpens katana menacingly* lol fucking retards should just kill themselves, they'll never be as 1337 at nipponese as us, amrite? *sips green tea* fucking dumbass weebs making nab mistakes *recites Idolm@ster OP lyrics* kys plz

>>146822581
i think i just had a minor seizure lmao keep it going

>>146822581
>he needs to sharpen his katana
Fucking kek

妹とセックスしたい

問題は、俺に妹はいないってことだ

>>146822581
>*sharpens katana menacingly*
i'm calling the police

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>>146822655
>>146822699

Witnessed

is there no better way to study kanji than just repeatedly going over anki cards? I feel like I'm just repeatedly running against a wall. is there a guide that explains all the radicals that make up kanji? and explains their origins and why they're used this way?
I mean jisho is kinda cool but still doesn't really explain enough to form an idea about kanji. I mix up stuff all the time.

for example, why is there a kanji for room 室 but it's not part of 部屋. why is it that instead of a roof there's a fucking corpse hanging over the person in the second kanji?

I'm sure I'll be able to develop practical memorization techniques over time once I know a large amount of kanji. but to me that seems to be the slower route. I'd rather have aguide explain those patterns to me before I just start learning all those symbols without any guiding principles and spend thousands of hours on doing that.

>>146822904
If you read the guide you'd know you aren't supposed to do lone kanji study.

Hello. This is the monthly patrol. We're looking for disgusting 共産主義者. Did any of them visit this thread?

>>146822904
Wanikani

>>146822809
>俺には妹がないんだ
FTFY

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>>146821054
I stopped looking at statistics entirely and it seems to have been a pretty decent decision. Vocab reviews take less than 20 minutes and it never feels like a chore. I'm a pleb who stopped reviewing the Core2k/6k10k deck a while ago, though, so I've already read and looked up the words in a given context prior to reviewing. It's a trade off between the efficiency of something like Core and the myopic enjoyment of only revising words I care to remember from things I'm reading.

How old is your mining deck? Safe to assume that the retention rate difference between the two is younger cards on the mining deck and matured cards on the Core deck? Plus, Core words are generally pretty common, so you'd naturally expect to have a higher retention simply due to seeing them really, really often in most things you read/listen/watch.

>>146822925
i do learn kanji along vocabs and in addition to just going through flashcards i also apply those kanji in quizzes.

>>146822944
thanks, I will give it a try

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>>146813837
how?

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>thinking of quitting being a software programmer and applying for the JET meme

>>146822977
How many months in did most of you do your first JCAT? What was your score? Did you do anything beyond Tae Kim and reading?

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>>146822959
Post that pic of Akarin

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>>146813837

>>146822040
kinda the same, reading some nhk
緊急地震速報
that shit would have paralyzed me with fear before but even not really knowing the last two kanji readings its pretty obvious from other kanji ive seen plus the article context what it means
i was late to the party on kd explaining compounds always being 音読み but meh its probably a word on its own

>>146823045
目指せオールフィフティーズ

>>146822986
Can't you just be a programmer in Japan?

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>>146822977
How does it work out that you can get 76 on Reading but 47 on Grammar? Are Grammar questions specific grammar points, using the correct structure, etc. while Reading questions are more general reading comprehension and answering questions from longer snippets of text?

Seems like the two would have a fair bit of overlap.


>>146823012
>

>>146822956
Please don't correct people if you're worse at the language than them

>>146822974
>>146822944
wanikani looks neat but it isn't really what I'm looking for.

isn't there a program or a page that let's me insert a kanji and then it would explain everything about this kanji similar to wanikani?

Is it a problem if I memorize kanjis as images?
I mean, I can memorize kanjis by watching them and I can recognize them when I see them again, but I can't really remember how they look or how they are written in my mind and I have difficulty recognizing them when they are put in other words or when I need to discern 2 similar kanjis like 訳 and 駅.
Should I do something to correct myself?

>>146823152
>worse at the language than them
You mean that I switched it from いる to ある?

>>146823234
>kanjis
>kanjis
>kanjis

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>>146823125
生意気なヤツだね

>>146823301
>hanzis
>hanjas
>zanjos

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>>146823210
You can use Jisho to look up kanji.
Here are another few sites with kanji specific lookup ability.
http://kakijun.jp
http://ichi.moe
www.kanjidamage.com
http://www.yamasa.org/ocjs/kanjidic.nsf/SearchKanji3?OpenForm

Here are a few different results for 量
http://ichi.moe/cl/kanji/?q=%E9%87%8F
http://kakijun.jp/page/12223200.html
http://www.yamasa.org/ocjs/kanjidic.nsf/SortedByKanji2THEnglish/%E9%87%8F?OpenDocument
http://jisho.org/search/%E9%87%8F%20%23kanji
http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/237-quantity-%E9%87%8F

To be honest, I have no idea what wanikani looks like/does with kanji.

>>146823329
冗談だよぉ
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jdps52hbhc2vgcb/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AA%EF%BD%9E%E3%83%B3.zip
>

The guide says people average a 2K deck in 3 months with anki I used it pretty solidly for just under a month and I was struggling with only 200 words.

is this really my only option for vocab? I feel like I'm giving it an honest try and getting zero returns.

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Im having trouble with my mining deck, I've got a very low retention rate compared to 6k, I think its because it lacks the sound files.
What can I do?

Trying to learn grammar now
>アリス）　これは何？
>ボブ）　それは鉛筆。
>アリス）　あれも鉛筆？
>ボブ）　あれはペンだ。
Can someone translate this?

>>146823532
suspend leeches
look for common kanji among words you get wrong
stop mining chuuni shit no one ever says

>>146823558
Isn't that a tae kim example with translations already. Just think about it, it's not that complicated really

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>>146823482
>All dat fuckin Akarin

ありがとぅ！

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>>146823558
cant you read they are discussing how best to knife up tuna

Any recommended SOL manga to read after Yotsubato?

>>146823801
reading list in the guide

>>146823664
It doesn't have the tl but I'm guessing along the lines of
>what is this?
>that's a pencil.
>is that also a pencil?
>that's a pen.

>>146823558
is alice retarded?

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>>146823558
Alice: What could this possibly be ?
Bob: That's a pigeon.
Alice: Isn't that a butterfly ?
Bob: No, it's a pigeon.

>>146823852
ye, that's correct

鉛筆はお尻に入れるの？
ペンは？

What do you all think about "fake it till you make it". Basically, I decided I absolutely hated my job, couldn't stand it any longer and quit. I've recently put in some applications for interpreter jobs and had a lot of responses. Obviously I exaggerated on a few points, but nothing that was an outright lie. I said I could read and write Japanese, but I just didn't go on to elaborate at which level I could do so, which isn't great desu. My spoken Japanese is fairly good, I speak a lot at the company I just quit (J-company in USA), and I speak daily with my Japanese wife, plus take yearly trips to Japan with a year of studying there in 2012.

What do you guys think about applying for jobs that may be above your skill-set?

I'm desperately trying to side-step the phone interview and meet in person instead. I have my first interview today. Fingers crossed :O

>>146824024
i want reddit to go and stay go

>>146822977
I heard that 40% of the students in NTU engineering courses are mainlanders. How true is this?

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>>146823484
>is this really my only option for vocab?
No, it's just a really useful genetic method that works for most people. What do you specifically do to interact with the language?

>>146823532
>What can I do?
Add sound files?
If you are just after single word sound files, the JDIC_audio rip in the Cornucopia of Resources has a lot to work with.
https://mega.nz/#F!elQ2kRQC!KI9Wcdfog_R4QetG_W5JXQ

For example, what I do is with the unzipped archive, when adding new words to my vocab deck, is to use a program to search the computer for certain files (Everything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_%28software%29 but plain old Explorer in Windows does the trick, just slower), open up that directory and post the vocab word in the search bar. That collection has files for a lot of words, not all, but some 100 thousand or so, then copy/paste the mp3 file directly into the audio field of the deck.


>>146823698
The ゆのっち folder is 274mb.
あかり is adorable, though. Sometimes I just want to hug the ゆるズ so much it hurts.
https://a.uguu.se/NsDjNLXsbqM5_YRYR_%E3%82%86%E3%82%8B%E3%82%86%E3%82%8A_Niconico_Video_GINZA_smile.mp4

>>146824051
Just so you know , our language experts here have said in the past that learning Japanese from anime is not the best idea. I guess the slang they use is not normal conversation and learning from text books and classes are a better way to go. Hopefully you will get more answers than my boring one.

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君がペンの使い方も知らないのは解かった

>>146824157
Me too, please.

>>146824157
>>146824228
Enjoy your ban \(^_^)/

>>146824280
As long as there are nukes out there, we need one ourselves if we're going to be a nuclear power.

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>>146824086

I picked up audio dramas and started talking to cosplayers on twitter. I've tried reading books but the gap is too large to get anything

I've been in Japan for 6 months now but I started at zero and I know so little I still can't practice outside of my home it's really starting to break my resolve not making any progress.

>>146814391
>>146815725
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/02/22/you-hear-a-voice-in-your-head-when-youre-reading-right/
Some people just have autism.

>>146822959
Did this card come from somewhere or did you make it yourself? I wish my cards were as clean.

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Hey for those of you who don't use any sort of anki-like program for vocab, what the hell do you do? カメラアイ？

>>146824904
The same thing that normies do when they learn Languages, just a fuck ton of exposure and time

>>146824904
copulation

>>146824456
>I picked up audio dramas and started talking to cosplayers on twitter.
You could always keep doing that. You look up words, etc. in the process, I assume? Sure, it may not be as efficient as flash cards but if you are doing something in Japanese you enjoy, you'll probably invest a lot of time into it, which is the largest factor of language acquisition. Exposure and comprehensive input, more or less.

>>146824779
Here is the template, if you want it. Straight forward, piece of piss.
http://pastebin.com/D1vDxHig

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Really

Hi guys, first time poster here so please be gentle. Quick question, I'm working through Tae Kim's, and came across an example in the chapter on polite conjugation of adjectives, nouns etc using です that I'm not entirely sure about, and want to check if you guys agree with my thoughts.

昨⽇、時間がなかったんです。
It was that there was no time yesterday

Where does the ん come from in なかったんです? The rule says conjugate the i-adj to past tense (ない　→　なかった), then add です, so it would by that rule read as なかったです.

It's my theory that this is an example where んだ has been attached to the already conjugated なかった as an explanatory (which would make sense given the tone of the example), and from there the だ has been dropped for です for polite tone. But this isn't made very clear, and the guide has only so far said that a plain だ is dropped, and made no reference to whether a だ in a んだ or a のだ can be dropped. Am I correct or am I missing something else? Thanks in advance

>>146825434
You want eternal rest? I've got it right here.

>>146823884
fuckin kek'd

>>146825434
>Where does the ん come from in なかったんです?
のだ
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E5%9F%BA%E6%9C%ACbasic.html#%E3%8A%A6%20%E3%81%AE%E3%81%A0
http://bunpou.neocities.org/Basic%E3%81%AE%E3%81%A0.png

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>>146813837
Never took J-CAT.

>>146825609
Aren't you forgetting something?

>>146825681
What do you mean?

>>146825554
Thanks anon, just needed to hear I was thinking the right way

>>146825719
You're one hell of a soldier.

>>146825739
When it doubt, cross reference. Japanese: The Manga Way is another great little introductory grammar guide that is worth referencing if you have trouble with Tae Kim's grammar guide. So are the Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar, but they can be difficult if you are still learning the basics.
Another good grammar source is Visualizing Japanese Grammar.
https://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm

>>146826018
laughing my ass off at an esl trying to sound literary

>>146826115
What disability do you suffer from?

>>146826115
>>146826385
Why the hwabyung?

>>146826018
Cheers for the advice, will use those in future

>>146826416
Another site, an amateur grammar site similar to Tae Kim, is Maggie Sensei's site.
maggiesensei.com/

It isn't as clean as Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, in fact it is more similar to Imabi in terms of structure, but still another useful site to search for things on if you just can't get your head around something. It may just provide the different perspective needed.
Imabi is the other one I mentioned, but it is far more in-depth than Maggie Sensei and Tae Kim. All there are made by amateurs, as opposed to professional publications such as the DoJG, J:tMW and VJG, but they are pretty damn good in their own right. Imabi might be a bit overwhelming as the author tends to put a lot of information into each lesson, maybe too much for its own good.
http://www.imabi.net/

There's a lot of resources out there for different tastes, really. We have it pretty good as Japanese learners with an English background.

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Please send help

>>146812453
If you really hated yourself you would increase the cards instead.

>>146826394
idk i caught a bullet to my head when i was young that might have fucked with my brain somehow
>>146826414
now that's a good girl. I like it (not really)

>Some Lang-8 members use the word "俺," which is very rude to Lang-8 members. Please use "私," or "僕" if you are a man.

Is it really?

君は本当にXしたくなる人だ

What exactly does this mean? Does it mean wanting to make the person into someone else? Or wanting to become a person that can do X to the person?

>>146826760
> a bullet
Is that what you call your stepdad's dick?

>>146826936
It's just SJWs in disguise trying to feminize everyone

>>146826936
Who posted this?

>>146826952
You really are a "person that became wanting to do X"

>>146826991
nah it was a 9mm shot from a handgun. they weren't even sure i was going to make it but here i am

>>146827116
Serious reply?

>>146826676
I don't know what I'm reading but I feel like it's incredibly cute

>>146827014

Is there anything actually wrong with 僕?

>>146827022

G. Floridian

>>146827145
Can't really do much better without a context there

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>>146827224
There's nothing wrong with 僕 at all, but maybe you should've gone for Swedish instead of Japanese?

>>146827240
How about "You really make want to do X."

Or keeping the Japanese grammar more intact "You are a person that really makes me want to do X."

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>アニメ thread on /r/newsokur
>literally 80% of the posts are about NHK's adventure time dub

You can't make this shit up

>>146826952
You should read and compare the DJT entries for を and は~だ

>>146827330
*DoJG

>>146827288
That's why context is necessary to make out the right people being referred to in the sentence.

>>146827224
If you're a Japanese adult man, 僕 is (ironically?) the most convenient pronoun to use. 俺 is inappropriate for formal situations and 私 kinda makes you sound like a pompous faggot. I wish there were some kind of middle ground between 私 and 僕 myself as I don't really like either but there simply isn't.

>>146826936
Nah, that's bullshit. It merely emphasizes that you are a man.
So my guess would be >>146827014

>>146827224
No, but that's normally used by boys.

>>146827224
>Is there anything actually wrong with 僕?

Not really it just basically means you're advertising that your boi pussy is open to any suiters

>>146827224
>G. Floridian

I dunno who that is, but his Lang-8 profile shows he's not a Japanese native.

So fuck him, like >>146827014 said, it's some faggot getting pointlessly offended where the actual relevant people don't care at all. I doubt any reasonable Japanese person would do anything more than chuckle at a foreigner using 俺.

>>146827371
Stay beta lmao

Speaking of pronouns, will japs think I'm weird if I use the pronoun 儂？

>>146827431
Why would japs chuckle at someone not being a fag? Oh wait being a beta faggot is part of their male culture

>>146827483
Not if you're over 60 years old and have a large beard or at least a moustache.

>>146827483
No, grandpa.

>>146827485
Calm that hwabyung already.

I fucking give up. I can't remember these anki reps for shit anymore.

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>>146827483
>儂
なにその漢字
読めないけど
かなで書いてください

>>146827518
I don't speak your chingchong language, gook. Use japanese or English

>>146827600
see you tomorrow

>>146827613
Calm that 火病 already.

Are Murakami's books worth reading or they're just memes?

>>146814121
There's no wrong way, Japanese is a pluricentric language.

>>146827628
I can't read your gook runes, use kanji instead. Is your gook skull really this thick?

>>146827661
Literally everything is a meme

>>146827672
Seek help. Both is serious or joking, cause both cases reveal you need help.

スタッフロール

Is this the credits at the end of a movie?

Also テレビ画面 is "TV screen" right?

>>146827609
わし

ｒｉｋａｉｃｈａｎをインストールしてほうがいい

>>146827680
Only by low meme standard holders like yourself and other leftists

>>146827703
Sure.

>>146827661
This is just my personal opinion but I tried reading 1Q84 and couldn't finish it. The prose itself wasn't bad or anything, I just found it boring and slow. The guy also has some weird fetishes it would seem, not that I'm one to judge.

>>146827703
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC%E3%83%93%E7%94%BB%E9%9D%A2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI0YXyh_vOAhXBjpQKHSTWCWgQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=1008

>>146827707
>して
した

>>146827694
I can't read your post, gook. Try using native English and don't get too carried away by the random thoughts

>>146827371
>pompous
It doesn't matter what pronoun you use when you're talking about yourself too much.

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>>146827739
ありがとう

>>146827758
Nope that cocksucker was wrong 私 makes you sound like a fag I have confirmed this by asking a few jap girls

>>146827680
>>146827708
Speaking of memes, do Japanese have an equivalent word?

>>146827832
癌

>>146827832
Yup it's chaukenchoouhwanjoubeiwo

>>146826936
You can call yourself 俺 only when you talk to your inferior or friends. And when you are in anonymous boards, too.

I think I have to say this, but 僕 at the moment means nothing but a slightly polite form. If you use 僕, you're treated as Swedish? That's a meaning of over 20 years ago.

>>146827860
>when you talk to your inferiors
Which is pretty much all the time

>Simple dialogue, which constantly relolves around the same topics (the plot). Lots of omnopoteia.
>omnopoteia

Who the hell wrote this guide

>>146827860
So when should men use 私?

>>146827936
never

私 - gay ass fag
僕- beta, possibly a fag
俺 - the pronoun of choice if you are just a normal masculine guy

This is all in casual situations of course wouldn't know shit about formal talk I'm not into that

>>146827955
私s the only good one, 僕 makes you sound like a trap and 俺 makes you sound like a japanese chav

>>146827860
>If you use 僕, you're treated as Swedish? That's a meaning of over 20 years ago.
what did he mean by this

>>146827936

I think in more formal situations.

What if I use 自分？

>>146828009
Lmao at this closeted homosexual

>>146828009
>私s the only good one, 僕 makes you sound like a trap

You know nothing. All Japanese businessmen use 僕. Only women use 私 in formal situations.

>>146828048
That has a sense of autism to it wouldn't use it if i were you

>>146828005
http://j-cat.org/

>>146828090
Gay site, tests are useless shit

What if you just use your own name to refer to yourself?

>>146828055
私 sounds way more neutral than 僕 does, I can recall hearing men using it in formal situations a bunch of times

>>146828126
That indicates mental retardation or being an anime girl

>>146828126
It's fine if you're a little girl.

>>146828126
可愛すぎ
撫でられるぞ

>>146827901
Not Robert Heckendorn?
http://marvin.cs.uidaho.edu/misspell.html

So if I meet a Japanese tourist in my country I should use 僕？

>>146828151
Who the fuck cares about formal situations anyway? A beta fag who is going to work in a shitty jap company can use whatever he likes wouldn't hange shit anyway he'll still be an outsider beta

>>146828151
You're basing your knowledge on anime and second hand material and I live in Japan, kid. I know better than you. You can use 僕 like a normal person and fit in at the workplace or use 私 and have everyone laugh at you behind your back like the idiot gaijin scum you are.

>>146828125
Did it show you were sub-N5, anon?

>>146828204
>you
Yeah
>anyone with even a slight degree of masculinity
Nope

>>146828234
>and have everyone laugh at you behind your back

If you're a wagecuck in the first place then the worlds laughing at your life anyway

>>146828238
I don't do shit tests so i don't what you're talking about

It's my birthday and the gift to myself is going to be skipping reps today.

>>146828283
>he thinks masculinity is defined by using 中二 tryhard "badass" personal pronouns

You have the mental capacity of a 12 year old, congratulations