Why do so few anime benefit from being in HD aside from the older

I remember this thread. And it's completely false. All Cel anime benefit from HD remakes unless the original was damaged, lost, or destroyed. Just because you bought some shitty Dragonball BD or SEED BD and it looked like shit doesn't mean all BDs for 70s-90s anime look like garbage. 99% are improvements that aren't altered because distribution companies know retarded Americans associate HD with 16:9.

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The flashy and well animated ones.
Or this.

Hyouka

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>>146698278
>All Cel anime benefit from HD remakes unless the original was damaged, lost, or destroyed
>Why do so few anime benefit from being in HD aside from the older ones?
>aside from the older ones?

Late 90s to mid to late 2000s shows were produced digitally with SD in mind. The BD versions often ends up looking worse than the DVD.
Last show I watched that was cel is Card Captor Sakura from 1998. Wonder what the actual last one was.

>>146698392
I didn't read the OP sue me. Last time someone made a thread and bitched about resolutions they were bitching about cel anime and how it looks horrible when transferred to HD assuming everything was an upscale because he bought a cropped Dragonball Z BD.
The reason behind modern shows is because it's mastered in 720p for space/budget/artist management issues, you pay for larger hard drives, better scanners, and you find a hidden cashe of animators that work for nothing, and you'll notice an upswing in resolutions.

>>146698170
I don't care, but the original version of the Pokemon anime on the left still looks the best.

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Does this look good?

>>146698662
How does Viz fuck up this bad?
>>146698578
>I didn't read the OP sue me
Plenty of issues arise on this board because of similar shit. The other guy is retarded though.

>>146698170
>go to archive
>read the shitstorm that happened when eva bds dropped
>be edified
tl;dr the max resolvable detail you can scan before just getting noise on 35mm stock is well over 6k, and 16mm over 3k

>>146698170
>What shows look good enough to justify watch in HD, let alone 1080p?
SAO

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>>146698662

>>146698662
Yes.

>>146698844
No.

>>146698815
It's not that good in motion.
>>146698799
Wait, what happened? I remember reading mere months before the BD was announced than Anno destroyed the masters. Not long later, we got the BD.

Most digital stuff is done at or around 720p, so anything higher res is usually a waste of time, as it's just upscales. One that comes to mind however is Working!!!, which was actually animated in 1080p.

And most older cel animation looks fucking great when given a proper BD treatment, but many are just upscales and bad transfers, which is a fucking shame. RX782, for example, had to do a hell of a lot of work with most of the gundam BDs to make them look good.

>>146698578
>BD
>>146698940
>BD
>>146699009
>BD
>BDs

What does this mean?

>>146699063
It means lurk moar.

>>146699063
Black Dildo.

>>146699063
Bombista Burrito

>>146699063
Fuck off.
>>146699009
>RX782
Miss him already. Didn't the transfers look fine in HD anyway? What did Encodergasm have to do to "fix" any errors?

>>146699167
>Fuck off.
Literally don't know what it means...

>>146699196
>>146699098

>>146699167
Some of them looked fine. Some of them.... well, the original BDMVs for 0083 and the later half of victory speak for themselves. He did a lot of work to preserve grain, correct colors, etc etc. The kind of autistic work that you might not notice without someone like him taking the time to really make an end product that's as good as it can be.

I miss him too. Who's gonna do the G Gundam BDs now?

>>146699196
Blu-ray Disc.

>>146699256
>Blu-ray Disc.
Thank you.

Honestly have never heard a bluray called that before.

>>146699256
>I miss him too. Who's gonna do the G Gundam BDs now?
Bunnyhat assuming he pulls his head out of his ass, quits doing Toku for two seconds, and hopefully finishes the GGG and Mospeada encode.

>>146699301
How long have you browsed /a/ for?

>>146699334
>How long have you browsed /a/ for?
Not long, /k/ is my home board and I just show up here to watch the dragonball shitposting mostly, and this thread looked interesting to me.

>>146699196
Read the thread and use your common sense.
>>146699256
Didn't download the Stardust Memory rip and I don't really feel like subjugating myself to Victory ever again so I wouldn't know exactly. Heard 0083 got DNR'd though.
>I miss him too. Who's gonna do the G Gundam BDs now?
Probaby OZC. Some people on /a/ hate him for whatever reason but I have no idea why. Probably behind the scenes drama but can't worse than Coalgirls doing Gundam Unicorn. Maybe Bunnyhat? I know he did Macross but I'm not sure if he's interested in Gundam.

>>146699256
>Who's gonna do the G Gundam BDs now?
Bunny Hat said he was on board. He'll treat us right.

Because most are just upscales of digital shows rather than actual remasters

>>146699443
Bunnyhat confirmed he'd be down to encode it like an hour after the announcement on /m/.

>>146699063
Big Dick

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>>146699532
Neato. The Macross release was good if I remember correctly so I trust him.

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Quick post the best remasters

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>>146699652
>remaster shows all the flaws in the line art
Love this shit. So charming.
>>146699650
Not what I intended to post but I guess since I mentioned trust, it works out.

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>>146699652

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>>146699713
>remaster shows all the flaws in the line art
that's literally photoshop filtered to hell.

reminds me of those shoddy Disney BD re-releases.

>>146699765
Looks like blurry ass.

>>146699652
What the fuck happened to Sora?

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>>146699834
>shoddy Disney BD re-releases
I'm still so mad about these
Disney MSRP on these are literally new-movie tier, around 20-30 dollars, and never go down
I bought Aristocrats because it was one of me and my mom's favorite cartoons, it looked like absolute trash I was so pissed. Not as bad as pic related but still terrible

>>146699977
does Disney really release this shit

>>146699977
It's weird because the transfer for Star Wars The Force Awakens and the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, presumably their other live action stuff too, look fucking great.

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>>146699977
>that fuckawful pic of The Sword in the Stone

did they have some intern do this work?

>>146699977
What the actual dicks

>>146699977
My god, that reminds me of the god-awuful Haibane and KnK BDs

>>146700173
>Haibane and KnK BDs
Fuck, what even happened to Haibane?
>KnK
Kara no Kyoukai or Kyoukai no Kanata?

>>146699652
This is the type of shit Americans think looks good. Applying a filter doesn't make it better. It causes the lines to be blurry and more wibbly than they should and detail is lost. Grain and dust is fine to have, it's a part of the film they used. A good remaster keeps everything detailed and crisp with grain.

Someone can post that Cinderella BD review for example, it was not as bad as >>146699977 but still an example of why filters are retarded.

>>146700293
everything looked like oil.

>>146700460
Yeah but how?

>>146700293
Not that anon, but Kara no Kyoukai.

http://mod16.org/randompics/knkbox/imagewriter002071.png

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>>146700511

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>>146700293
>>146700511
Shit upscale, same with Kara no Kyoukai

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>>146700511
Garbage.

>>146700523
Damn, I remember watching the DVD rip on a CRT. Fuck, I was gonna rewatch it in HD soon. It's my favourite animu.
;_;7
>>146700574
>>146700590
>>146700632
I forgot how bad it looked. How did the upscale end up so bad? Other shows with standard definition digital sources never looked this bad. Jesus.

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I loathe when BD transfer apply this horrendous filter to make it look "nicer", it looks like fucking garbage.

>>146700699
You're better off importing the DVDs.

>>146700523
I'm still wondering why they upscaled the DVDs instead of using the movie theater masters

>>146699977
Come on, Disney is obviously trying to pioneer American Stained Glass Animation to challenge Taiwanese Puppet Shows.

>>146700173
Don't forget the Last Exile BDs. Then again, a lot of shows in the early 2000s have shitty remasters.

>>146700882
Shame. It's looks great and it was before Ufotable relied so much on digital processing. Atleast the Fate Zero blu ray looks nice, r-right?
>>146700830
I know the blu ray box is expensive as hell but how much are the DVDs? I can't seem to find the DVD rip I found year ago and I still have the CRT lying around.

>>146701044
It was around $150 before it sold out.

>>146701044
KnK was the start of Ufo using lots of digital processing. That;s even where their director of photography came up with their signature colours for all their Type-Moon anime.

>>146701044
>Fate Zero blu ray
I thought they were fine.

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>>146701151
Fugg.
>>146701181
It wasn't so in your face until the UBW adaption.

>>146701244
150 isn't even that much unless you're a poorfag.

>>146701044
FZ is mastered in either 900p or 1080p depending on who you ask, so the BDs look fine

>>146701244
Only because UBW has the flashiest fights, otherwise their approach to applying digital processing has remained the same for years.

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>>146701286
There's a reason I have than CRT, anon.

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>>146698297
GAY HORSE, GAY HORSE, I WANT A GAY HORSE

>>146700315
>This is the type of shit Americans think looks good.
(あなた)

>>146699977
Is that real? If so, the responsible party should be hanged. That was my favorite cartoon movie when I was a kid.

>>146701349
DVD on CRT is a pretty patrician viewing method. I'm coming around to bluray though, being able to see the film grain is quite nice. Problem is all the horrible bluray transfers that interns ran through a digital noise filter.

>>146699063
Bombastic Dynamite

>>146704666
>watching DVD on CRT at all
Are you dense? That's fucking retarded.
Watching VHS and Laserdisc on CRT is acceptable, but not DVD.

>>146704761
Well, the other option is watching on my 1080p monitor in either a 480p window (tiny) or stretched to full screen (ugly).

VHS and Laserdisc both have a ton of analog noise. (Specifically) Anime DVDs look great on a tube.

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>you can see all the dirt floating around in the BD

>>146698170
1080p anime is a joke.

BDs of bebop and 08th ms are pretty good.

>>146700293
>Fuck, what even happened to Haibane?
Early digital does not look good in BD. Aria is another example of this.

>>146698170
>Pokemon has not been remastered to HD plus copy pasta image.
>Nobody will mention taht guy who explained that most shows in the US were edited in 240i video tapes.

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This has a really nice BD transfer.

>>146698844
>>146698662
>Viz claiming that the original film negatives were destroyed

I am not kidding

http://www.kentaiblog.com/2014/11/lying-evily-by-moonlight-viz-defends.html

This is Embarrasing, how much they dont even try.

>>146706504
>Grainy bullshit

>>146706595
>Not liking grain
You get the fuck out.

>>146705589
Don't forget the obvious cel layers too.

>>146698170
Whats with the piss filter?

>>146706595
if you hate grain, you need to kill yourself
you're the reason why bad BD transfers exist

>>146699977
>Everybody talks about how they fucked up the image
>NOBODY talks about how they redubbed many lines in the spanish dub under the pretense that the original audio files were damaged, (which they showed no proof, so reason to believe is not PR) rather then Disney just wanted to sanitized the old spanish dub to remove anything that is offensive
>ALMOST NOBODY in mexico notices this

>>146706718
?

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>>146699652
fma 03?

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>>146706718
>in the spanish dub

>>146706595
Fuck off Mee, you probably think these look good
>>146700775
>>146700590
>>146700632
>>146699977
>>146699652

>>146706642
>>146706705
Grain is an unfortunate byproduct of film, and there is no reason to strive for it save for some artistic reason. Having said that, remasters shouldn't remove the grain as any attempts to do so have messed up image quality.

Can you remaster something on your own?

>>146706718
Watch the Dub on Netflix and notice if there's some weird modern sounding bits on scenes, and then track down an old copy of the latino dub and tell me if isnt true.

The part that i remember is when Arthur and Merlin are at the lake and how arthur talks about how he wants to kill giants, in the newer version they change his lines to i wanna capture giants.

>>146700632
What does the original look like?

>>146706899
>Para el lanzamiento de la película en formato Blu-Ray, parte del audio fue corregida de la versión de Edmundo Santos conservada en los archivos de Disney. Un ejemplo de esto es la canción del inicio, que estaba dañada en algunos formatos digitales.

>En la escena en que Merlín y Arturo caminan fuera del castillo de Sir Ector, la primera mañana del arribo de Merlín, la voz de Arturo cambia durante unos segundos (esto debido a la reparación del audio original en español).

>Una frase de Sir Ector, en la escena del descubrimiento del hechizo de Merlín para limpiar los utensilios de la cocina, fue censurada. Originalmente él gritaba "Maldito viejo brujo", frase que fue cambiada por: "Malvado viejo brujo".
Transmisión

Yeah inb4 CANT READ TOO SPANOL LOL

For the record, the movie was already released on DVD in the 2000s twice i think and the spanish dub was left intact.

Disney actually did a similar "clean up" with the dub of Peter pan when they remove certain "offensive words" but that version only aired on Disney Channel and Azteca 7, but at least they kept the unadulterated dub on the 2 DVD editions, not sure about the blu-ray tough.

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>>146698170

>>146707025
Shit, why does people feel the need to "fix" things that are not broken.

>>146707025
http://es.doblaje.wikia.com/wiki/La_espada_en_la_piedra

http://es.doblaje.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Pan_(1953)

Disgraceful............and i don't believe the thing about the original audio being damaged, if they have the original audio restored for peter pan but dared to botched anyways, i have NO reason to believe when they claim that the Sword of the Stone audio got damaged to them to sanitized lines.

After all, Companies can make up lies and everyone will swallow them

>>146706581

>>146707153
SJWs what fucking else?

>>146707253
DO SJW have any power outside the parts of EU and USA that allow them to be as they are?

Well, I found out I'm not as autistic as once thought, thanks /a/ :3

>>146707324
No.

>>146706871
Not sure what you're exactly saying, but regardless of whether you like the look of it or not, it is part of the picture and removing it is removing part of picture and necessarily removing detail.

>>146707369
Then why would they chage the latin dub?

>>146707435
Disney Voices International has some idiotic oppressing new guidelines to their dubs. there was a video posted from south american voice actors about how disney wants their dubs made for babies.

And yes >>146707369 SJWs have influence over, since the Ghostbusters fiasco and Hilary Clinton were being praised. plus in mexico peope think feminism is still in the 2nd wave.

>>146707435
It's an American movie so SJW would have an affect on a Disney movie, hell, have you seen current marvel movies? SJW as fuck. But when it comes to international markets they have no power other than to bitch on social media.

>>146707435
It wasn't the SJWs, it was the moral police thinking the kids would be traumatized if they heard the word "damn" too much

>>146706762
Need to see more but that actually looks pretty good. It's from 2003 too, so how the heck did they manage it?

>>146707520
They do not, don't blow a small social movement out of proportion. In the end in Washington and around the world feminist and feminism is a joke.

>>146707592
I'm not sure if it's the case for FMA but some earlier 2003 anime decided to master in 1080/720p instead of 480 like everyone else. The only other shows I can think of are King Gainer, and GITS SAC

>>146707664
>>146707592
Not 2003 specifically, but that digipaint era but you got my point.

>>146707520
>peope think feminism is still in the 2nd wave.
How? Everyone has internet these days.
I hate it when people change things because they are not appropriate to their sensibilities.
like how people use nouns with both genders instead of the genera one because they are afraid of being sexist.

>>146707664
Don't think so, the picture looks pretty blurry, and the show was produced 4:3, too. But compared to some BD masters from the era it doesn't look that bad.

Are modern anime actually drawn at 720/1080 or are they drawn bigger and downscaled?

why did all early 2000s anime BDs look so bad?

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>>146706957
I'm not sure if it's a bad encode or what but it's fucking unwatchable fullscreen too. I think Haibane Renmei was fucked either way.

>>146707843
720, I know Amanchu is 900p but I think everything else is 720.

>>146707845
Because they were drawn at 480p.

>>146708058
This season*

>>146707843
Who knows what resolution colorists work at, nut the point is that the finished episode is encoded at either 720p or 1080p and then sent to the stations for broadcast

>>146707845
Because they were mastered at 480p and then upscalled to 1080p using shitty ass filters

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>>146699977
Disney's early 90s stuff looks pretty good.
Mostly.
From what I hear on Sword in the Stone, the production had issues between different teams and while most of it was shot with 35mm film, as is the standard for movies, some sequences were shot in 16mm and some even with 8mm as they tried to rush the production along.
The issue with those is that they will create wildly varying levels of image quality and size of grain when played back in HD resolutions.

Still no excuse. Some of the online HD transfers look miles better than what they released and maintained the original aspect ratio.

>>146707664
>King Gainer
Are you sure? I don't recall the BDs looking any better than those of that era.

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>>146708484
Here are a couple more comparisons with the BD and the HD iTunes version of SitS.

>>146706504
I didn't know this got a BD transfer, where is a download?

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>>146699652

>>146699977
>>146708525
>>146708560
How can anyone fuck up so badly

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Evangelion BDs are my gold standard

gimme that film grain, I love it

>>146708803
Which release is that

>>146708861
[Sephirotic]Neon Genesis Evangelion 1-26 DC+EoE [MULTI][BD 1080p 8bits v2.22] COMPLETE

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>>146708525
>>146708560
>>146708560
>>146708761
this one is my favourite

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>>146699977
Oh God, what the fuck

Why do people hate 4:3?

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>>146708956

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>>146708803
Eva's BDs aren't bad, but Anno did fuck with them a lot more than he should have during the remastering process.
In the end, they're not even the best BD release of a title he directed.

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>>146708761
Nothing is impossible for Disney.

>>146709471
>that grain
sexy as fuck

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>>146708956

>>146698662
>>146698844
As big a title as Sailor Moon is over here, you think they would have tried harder. I guess their QC was focused on the Ranma BDs.

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>>146708503
This looks a million times better than some of the other early digipaint releases in the thread.

>>146698509
Isn't Sazae-san the last anime still produced with traditional cel animation to this day?

>>146710720
Pretty sure Sazae-san switched to digital several years ago.

>>146708956
>>146709944
This shit should be made illegal.

https://youtu.be/BPWj_4RtKr0

People will defend this.

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>>146702133
>will never hear her say shounen again

>>146711117
I'll defend it, The "blu-ray box" is the pachinko machine, the actual BD opening looks great and doesn't have any changes. You're posting a bait video.