Why did Alice in Wonderland explode in Japan? There's gotta

it really does seem like an anime plot with a loli and everything

>>146597083
>loli
>magical items
>a strange new world
>talking animals
>violence

It is pretty evocative

Don't you know that Japan loves cute shit?

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>>146596991
>You now realize that this man pioneered the loli genre

>>146597309
"Just as planned."

Why is Alice the most sexualized female character in fiction?

>>146597349
She's based on a loli the author wanted to fuck, so it's only polite to sexualize her for him.

>>146597224
They like Anne of Green Gables too, no?

>>146597309
What is he doing in that picture, polishing a knob?

>>146597309
Truly, Carroll was the proto-/a/non

>My neighbor is a total loli. Should I go over and tell her "bedtime" stories?
>Don't forget the drugs, anon.
>The ones that make me "grow" right?

>>146596991
Why has there not been a fully animated series of this done by Bones? I'd actually muster the effort go on CR and actually watch that shit

>>146596991
Alice anime design is just that good.

>>146597309
>>146597417
>>146597533
>Reading the wikipedia article that implies it was actually Alice's older sister about to go full yandere on him.

>>146597685
Explain?

>>146597622
Who should voice the various characters?

>>146596991
Her design is simply perfect

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>>146597821
I know she isn't very well known but having Kana Ueda (Rachel Alucard from Blazblue) do Alice would be perfect

Also if Mamoru Miyano doesn't do Cheshire I will gut someone

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>>146598148
Even as a trap!

>>146597739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Liddell#.22Cut_pages_in_diary.22

>The relationship between the Liddells and Dodgson suffered a sudden break in June 1863. There was no record of why the rift occurred, since the Liddells never openly spoke of it, and the single page in Dodgson's diary recording 27–29 June 1863 (which seems to cover the period in which it began) was missing;[citation needed] it has been speculated by biographers such as Morton N. Cohen that Dodgson may have wanted to marry the 11-year-old Alice Liddell, and that this was the cause of the unexplained break with the family in June 1863.[9] It was long suspected that her mother became uncomfortable with the idea of a grown man befriending her 11-year-old daughter.[citation needed]

>In 1996, Karoline Leach found what became known as the "Cut pages in diary" document[10]—a note allegedly written by Charles Dodgson's niece, Violet Dodgson, summarising the missing page from 27–29 June 1863, apparently written before she (or her sister Menella) removed the page. The note reads:

>> "L.C. learns from Mrs. Liddell that he is supposed to be using the children as a means of paying court to the governess—he is also supposed soon to be courting Ina"[citation needed][page needed]

>This might imply that the break between Dodgson and the Liddell family was caused by concern over alleged gossip linking Dodgson to the family governess and to "Ina" (Alice's older sister, Lorina).[citation needed] In her biography The Mystery of Lewis Carroll, Jenny Woolf suggests that the problem was caused by Lorina becoming too attached to Dodgson and not the other way around.[citation needed] Woolf then uses this theory to explain why "Menella [would] remove the page itself, yet keep a note of what was on it." The note, she submits, is a "censored version" of what really happened, intended to prevent Lorina from being offended or humiliated at having her feelings for Dodgson made public.[11][page needed]

>>146598459
>Alice and Lewis Carroll become close
>Sister develops feelings for LC
>Goes near-Yandere
>Families must separate to keep everyone safe
Would watch a dramatization of

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>>146596991
She is super cute. I grew up in Japan and Alice in Wonderland was always my favorite American cartoon.

>>146598661
I assume the Disney adaption was dubbed over there? How is it?

>>146598612
>Mcgee's Alice version
>Alice is secretly Lorina who accidentally killed her family in a crazed fit and took on her sister's name and appearance. The red queen is the governess Carroll was trying to court.

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>>146598778
I believe there are two official dubs. I have only seen one of them, which is the newer one. They do a good job with it, but I would imagine that for people who watched the English version first it is not as good. I saw the English one at my grandparent's house in America a year or so after I originally saw it so I still enjoy both of them.

I really do want to see the old Japanese dub though. I have seen clips of it around and in them Alice sounds way cuter than she does in the newer one.

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>>146596991
I didn't even know that there was an alice anime.
She is really cute

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>>146599792
>>146598661
Actually there are three versions. I just looked it up. The clips I thought were the old version were a different version. The new and old ones have the same voice actress.

She sounds really cute here though, right? This is the version I want to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yz7bP1XsSE

>>146600268
>>146598778
I meant to quote you instead of my older post. I apologize.

>>146600268
>That voice
2cute4me

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>>146598459
That actually sounds even more entertaining that Through the Looking Glass itself.

Lewis Carroll harem adaption when?

>>146599941
There is no anime...

>Alice in Wonderland is one of my favorite movies
>Weaboos on /a/ have to ruin it with their loli garbage
Fuck you

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>>146600518
There is an old anime about her.

>>146600544
We talking cartoon or tim burton? Because the "movie" was fucking edgy dogshit that lost the source material down the deepest fucking rabbit hole that ever existed

>>146600625
Holy shit, when was this? Is it good?

>>146596991
>>146597083
>>146597186
Literally an early isekai. Was there anything older than Alice in Wonderland?

>>146600702
I have never seen it. It was in the 1980s. It is a 52 episode series.

>>146596991
I just want a cute, extremely faithful adaptation with one key difference: loli pantsu and fanservice

>>146600791
Give her guns

Make her fight ghosts/aliens/giant monsters

Shonen

Force Araki to draw a manga adaptation and have them pull a Gainax ending to fuck over Araki

>>146600466
>Cute innocent loli alice
>Yandere sister
>Boxum, seductive governess
>Tsundere Alice's Mom

>>146598459
>[citation needed]
Seriously? That's your proof?

It's literally an isekai with a loli in it

>>146596991
In itself, the books are pretty good with different layers of complexity so adults and kids can like it alike, specially the second one. Adults even more sometimes at seeing what was behind the story.
Add to that one of the cutest lolis ever made in fiction and you have the perfect bait for male adults.

>>146601068
Are you saying it's a bad thing?

>>146600922
But I just want my pantsu and lewd camera angles on top of the original story.

>>146601068
More isekai needs to be about a cute loli having a cute adventure.

>>146600738
Is "The Secret Garden" older?

she's a cute blond loli.

>>146601140
No, just saying why it's popular

Also, Disney is pretty much god over there so that helped too

>>146601068
>>146600738
Nothing to do with an isekai actually. Even the world is completely different to your usual isekai.
The only similar thing is a human being in a different world, and she only was there like a few hours at most, in both books.

>>146601048
Every other sentence with the [citation needed] tag has a source in the sentence so I don't know man. If you want a courtroom you're in the wrong place.

>>146601338
>she goes into another world
By definition it's isekai.

>>146601457
She's actually just dreaming of going to another world.

>>146596991
Isn't it just because recently there was a novel published with some really nice illustrations and that the most Japanese haven't read/watched it so it's new to them?

>>146601535
Or is she

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>>146596991
>isekai with blonde loli

Gee, I wonder.

LC actually seems smarter than most LN writers because he used a loli instead of some shitty generic MC.

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>>146596991
Beats me I'm not complaining though.

>>146601634
No, there has always been a number of various manga (especially shoujo) and vn, among other things, that took Alice as its inspiration, and it's been like that for years.

>>146601651
>LC actually seems smarter than most LN writers because he used a loli instead of some shitty generic MC.
He knew that, at some point, everyone would want to be the little girl

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>>146600268
That classic Disney animation.

>>146601858
She was rotoscoped?

>>146602120
I don't think so, not sure. She was used as a model for Alice though.

>>146597533
guy took pictures of her naked

and it was perfectly ok in Victorian England

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>>146596991
It's a story about a middle-aged drug addict trying to get into the pants of an underage girl.

If you know what the average otaku looks like, you can probably connect the dots.

Only reason I like Alice is because I have a size fetish and enjoy her thicc legs

>>146603152
Actually it's about mathematical allegories, but sure mate.

>>146603152
That might be the cause of the story being written, but it's not what it's about

>>146601535
Some isekai stories end with 'It was a dream' endings.

If I recall correctly the slime reincarnation thing is one.

>>146603152
That's only like 1/10 of the deal. It is that plus much other things, see what it is so great about all this?

>>146597468
camera lens, he was an early photographer as well

>isekai
>blonde loli
>pseudo-meido outfit
>lecherous old drug guy

Lewis Caroll was a true visionary ahead of his time.

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>>146597309
And it is still a loli masterpiece even after all this. Truly a genius ahead of his time and most like likely ahead of our time as well.

>>146604703
One of us! One of us!

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>>146600922
>Give her guns
That already exists.

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>>146596991

>>146606380
Is there anything Alice name hasn't been use on?

>>146606787
I wish the porn one wasn't so bittersweet at the end of the story.

>>146604919
He would be coming here.

>>146606845
You will have to be more specific anon. There is a lot of porn based around Alice, and most of it is so shit that the creator would vomit with seeing only hags in them.

>>146596991
You take a good look at the pic you posted and tell me that's not a powerful bundle of fetishes.

>Is it simply because Alice is a qt loli
Yes. Cute clothes, cute face, cute antics.

>>146601651
>LC actually seems smarter than most LN writers because he used a loli instead of some shitty generic MC.
He also did a clever job with his work and wrote it better than any of them could ever hope.

>>146601791
>NTRing onii-chan.

That's not nice.

>>146600934
>loli wins in metaphysical way

>>146601535
>>146601338
please dont talk as if you know what you speak of knave

>>146597309
>>146597468
>>146604507
>>146600466
>>146597533
LC wouldve been the best kind of tripfag
wonder if he wouldve drawn pictures instead of taking lewd photos of lolis if he knew of the industry

What happened to that one author whose illustrations were shilled shamelessly on here and anons bought all the copies of the book? Has he done anything else lately?

>>146607579
He would have done both if possible but don't comment about his real life here and instead just talk about loli.
Also, he wasn't a drawfag, there was another guy in charge of the drawings.

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>>146607707
he was truly one of us

>>146607870
>I-I'm not a lolicon officer, I swear!
kek

>>146607587
She made a The Wizard of Oz illustrated book that was mostly ignored over here because it was not Alice.

>>146607963
Pics? Dorothy isn't bad but she's definitely not as cute as Alice
Also does she have a Twitter or something I can follow?

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>>146607707
>>146607579
>>146607923
>>146596991

this is how you create a waifu /a/, this is what miyazaki is talking about. In order to be good you have to be grounded in reality. Carroll left his loli-alice-lust as a memento for the future generations and history remembers him fondly for it, can you do the same?

>>146608124
I wonder what little Liddell thought of LC.
>this man is nice but kind of creepy
>I guess he can appreciate how cute I am, though!

>>146608213
>implying she didnt call him nii-chan
>implying she didnt lust after his dick

>>146607870
Ironically in this case, his waifu was not his creation but rather the real little girl. His creation served as a love letter.

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>>146608213
She probably didn't think badly of him.

>>146608293
>implying he didnt ditch 3dpd for his ideal 2d alice

>>146608361

That's adorable

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>>146608021
The name of the artist is Kriss Sison. I don't know if he has done more or if he has twitter.

>>146608361
>The groom gave his wife a doll as a wedding gift

>>146608361
>seven children
wew

>>146608448
http://www.prismacolor.com/artists/kriss-sison
>this guy draws lolis

>>146608361

>you will never have 7 children with your qt loli waifu

Why live?

>>146608361
>Eunice’s father went after the preacher with a gun for marrying the two, but Charlie agreed not to consummate the marriage until Eunice was 16 years of age.

>>146608293
>Dodgson's diaries from 18 April 1858 to 8 May 1862 are missing
>We'll never read what he wrote about Alice when they were together.

>>146608361
This is so fucking cute.

>>146608603
>Charlie agreed not to consummate the marriage until Eunice was 16 years of age.
bullshit

Is she just the girl who popularized the kind of young, cute and elegant looking blonde fiction characters they adore over there? Like she was the original that served as one of the biggest inspirations for early character design in manga and anime which only grew in decades after?

>>146608645
It indeed was bullshit.
My research into newspaper accounts of the wedding indicate that Charlie gave her a doll for Christmas in 1936, just a month before he married her. Reporters photographed her holding the doll and somehow the story evolved that it was a wedding gift.

Tennessee had laws on the books setting a minimum age for marriage, but there were problematic aspects of it that caused it to be null and void, so it was done away a few months before without setting a new minimum age, so it became legal for her to marry Charlie. Immediately after the news of the wedding broke, Tennessee legislators put aside all other business to quickly enact new laws setting a minimum age, which I believe was fourteen with parental consent and sixteen without it. The governor said the marriage disgraced the whole state!

Charlie determined he was going to marry Eunice but didn’t tell her when. He had a friend go to the county seat and acquire a marriage license for him and Eunice, putting her age at 18. On the morning they were wed, he took her to find the local pastor, who married them in the middle of the road. Their parents didn’t know she was married until it was too late. Her parents were upset but let the marriage stand. The newlyweds had no home of their own. They lived for years with his parents.

Charlie may have promised not to have sex with Eunice until she was sixteen, but clearly he didn’t keep his word. Eunice had their first child when she was fourteen. Newspaper accounts say he went squirrel hunting all day on the day she gave birth.

>>146608365
He used the Alice he created to send sweet message for the real Alice and later proposed her. If not by the real Alice parents saying no (probably because social class), he would have married real Alice.

>>146608361
Impressive that their marriage lasted until death.

>>146607579
that and he could troll /sci/ on pure mathematical grounds as well, he wrote textbooks on the subject

>>146608680
>Newspaper accounts say he went squirrel hunting all day on the day she gave birth.

Lost it at this

>>146608653
>Is she just the girl who popularized the kind of young, cute and elegant looking blonde fiction characters
Probably, though with Alice I think it's more about her pure and slightly naive personality.

>>146608742
Give us some examples.

>>146608746
>Newspaper accounts say he went squirrel hunting all day on the day she gave birth.
>>146608680
I dont get it

lolita
alice

any other classical lolicon literature?

>>146608680
He sure was desperate.

>>146608680
Are you the local historian?

>Eunice had their first child when she was fourteen. Newspaper accounts say he went squirrel hunting all day on the day she gave birth.
That's hilarious

>>146597186
>>146597309
>>146604915

Before Lolita and Lolicons, there was Alice and the Alicons. Alice complex refers to girls between 7 and 12. Lolis are between 12 and 15. So technically, Alice, not Lolita, is the codifier of pedophillic fanbases. Lolita represents hebephiles.

Though technically speaking, that's more a Japanese thing, where only Lolicon is really known in the West. And Lolicon is strictly fictional where it's actual children as well in Japan.

>>146607587
I bought that book because Alice is my favorite thing to get portrayed cutely. She and Little Red Riding Hood. The illustrator is a Flip and so am I, so that's a bonus. Wait, no it's not.
>Implying we are the greatest race

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Cuteness, youth and fantasy.

She is good design

Simple, cute, memorable

>>146608792
brave new world?

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1937/02/02/page/3/article/nine-year-old-girls-wedding-stirs-protests
>he is jealous of his young bride, and scowls whenever any one pats her head

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>>146608830
>Little Red Riding Hood
Hell yeah. Anyone ITT play Grimms Notes? I downloaded it on my phone but for some reason it won't load when I try to play.

>>146608653
>young, cute and elegant looking blonde fiction
Doesn't sound like Alice. Alice is a lot of things but clearly not elegant, she believes she is, but she actually isn't.

>>146608929
haughty lolis who is a tryhard at being elegant is the greatest

>>146607089
I think the title was Alice in Sexland or something.

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>>146608680

Nigga did you seriously undergo an archival research project of century old Tenesseean newspapers and marriage laws just to learn more about a redneck marrying a little girl?

>>146608987
Where do you think you are

>>146598248
>Mamoru Miyano
>Not Nakata Jouji
Nothing to yorokobe about

>>146608830
Not completely true. Lolicon is just the word nips use for pedophile, so it depends on the place.

>>146608918
>>146608987
>"I love my man" Eunice says. She loves him because every night, as the shadows fall over the mountain, he rocks her to sleep in a hand-made cane-bottomed chair, then lifts her up tenderly and tucks her to bed. When his wife is lulled to sleep he climbs into bed beside her. Eunice remains an unspoiled child.
That's adorable

what about kogal culture

any interesting literatures about kogal culture?

>>146608927
Little Red is often taken as a very sexually charged tale, and that's probably true. Lots of variations are really fucked up and violent so it wouldn't surprise me if rotkappchen is actually a warning to girls about talking to strangers and getting raped.

>>146608929
Well, elegant looking. I believe he's specifically referring to Disney's Alice (loosely based on the illustrations of the original) as part of that inspiration, which is probably a good starting point (and I don't have any examples of soviet art that would counter that claim, which is often made). As a character she's quite emotional, but in the animation she moves with grace (even when she's not graceful) and beauty, because it's a fucking Disney animation and she's often framed in shots like a contemporary, beautiful hollywood actress.

>>146608792
Secret Garden
Pollyanna
Little Princess

>>146608987
I for one am grateful for his work. This sounds like a bunch of shit, until he pulls some legit sources. You really wouldn't believe some of the shit you hear about until people start to pull credible, reported facts. Like how Grover Cleveland engaged in Wife Husbandry. Real life tends to be stranger than fiction.

>>146609043
>>146608918
They definitely fucked like bunnies, that girl wanted his husband.

>>146609041
I should have pointed out that Alicon is pretty much out of use. It came first and was replaced in common lexicon with Lolicon for everything. I'm not sure how widespread the use of alicon was to begin with.

I mostly pointed out the distinction because it's sort of ironic that alice in an alice thread is a lolita when she was her own thing at a point. In other words, the post is pure pedantry, and possibly interesting to some.

>>146609164
>Grover Cleveland engaged in Wife Husbandry
I don't know anything about his presidency other than the fact that he served two non-consecutive terms but that's cute

>>146609043
>you will never do this
Why even live?

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>>146609164
One interesting fact is that the father got a decent amount of money some years after marriage:
50,000 dollars in 1957 would be around 428k nowadays.

>>146608961
Lewis Carroll once again looks far ahead of his time. This man was without doubt gifted by god.

>>146609164
She remarried after his death. She's a slut.

>>146609043
Waited a more than a year my ass, there is no way they didn't fuck each night after that.

>>146608918
Back when states' rights meant something

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>>146608918
Adorable. I want my own loli to headpat.

>>146608918
>>146609043
My heart wasn't ready for this.

>>146609068
Short-cuts

>>146609142
This. A lot of classic tales were very sexyually charged because they weren't kids tales, but adult tales.
Little red was originally 14 or 15 I believe, and the story ended after the wolf suggested her to take her clothes and get in the bed.so she didn't get cold and she starts doing it.
On the other hand Snow White was 8, and the prince took her to his palace before she woke up, so our hero was a pedo-necrophile.

When I was little, I ship The Little Prince with Alice.
Then I grew up and realized I was projecting myself with The Little Prince.

>>146609253
Her father and Cleveland were friends, he met her for the first time shortly after she was born and doted on her as she was growing up, he even bought a baby carriage for her. Her father died without leaving a will so a court appointed Grover administrator of it when she was 11. They got married a decade later when she was 21 and he was 49, announcing their engagement only five days before the ceremony.

>>146608918
>their marriage inspired a film
>By couching the film as a social issue it was produced outside the jurisdiction of the Production Code; this allowed the filmmaker to include a nude scene featuring 12 year-old Shirley Mills. One of the film’s central plotlines was a crusade to end child marriage in Tennessee and indeed the film exhorts its viewers to “Abolish child marriage,” all this despite the fact that child marriage actually had been legally abolished in Tennessee by the time the film was finished, this a result of the original hubbub over the Johnses’ marriage. Thus, the film exploits its convention in order to titillate its audience with the nude and sexualized Shirley Mills, whose own supposed sexual exploitation is the very premise for the outrage that undergirds the making of the film itself. The film thus prolonged the imagination and fetishization of the Johnses’ rural backwoods sexuality.

>>146609650
Then you grew up some more and realizes that projecting into Alice is the better choice.

>>146609764
Picked up

>>146609807
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Bride

>>146609696
>you will never be the godfather of your friend's daughteru and marry her when she grows up

>>146609650
>The Little Prince
You mean the kid worried about baobabs growing on his star and having a rose for a waifu?

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I LOVE ALICE

>>146609838
baobab = africa tree = africa = refugees
rose = roses = loses = loles = lolis

>>146609640
>Snow White was 8
She was 7 actually. She also married the prince at that age.
And a quick reminder that the tale said she was the most beautiful female in the whole land. The tale was basically about the jealousy of an old hag against a cute loli.

>>146609870
deepest lore

>>146609879
tl;dr:

Western culture isn't being rejected in favor of Nippon culture, we're just going back to our roots.

snow white is a slut who fucks 7 fat old midgets tho

so fucking hot

>>146609975
>japs are smart enough to copy us in our prime
>we're too dumb to realize that was our prime, our peak, we left it behind and its all downhill from here

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>>146609879
#I'mWithHer

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Geez, and I thought I was aiming too low when it came to Sylvie, Charlie's here just pounding that tween pussy seven times. How many other stories are just Western loli doujin anyway?

>>146610037
CUTE!

>>146610058
>tween
loli

>>146610058
The whole religion of peace meme is made by a lolicon who married a milf at his prime age of 40, believes in harem ending, but still prefer his imaginary waifu anyway

>>146610092
*her prime age of 40 (Muhammad was 25 at that time)

also he's a great merchant who has autism

>>146610061
>Mohammedan

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>negroes
Newspaper sure was different back then.

>>146610092
>167 posts
>religion of peace
>lolicon
Goddamn it

all of /a/ was admiring the last child marriage and calling it sweet, Muhammad married 1 loli in his harem of Milfs and he gets called a lolicon

The world is fucked up

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Five year old mother.

>>146610180
He also married the girl who his cousin is supposed to be marrying.

A real true connoisseur of the netori genre.

>>146608021
Dorothy is fucking ruthless, man.

Fitting considering the Oz series loves to stray into black comedy at times.

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It's the Disney animation, just look at the design. The Japanese love them. Frozen was massively popular there too, "let it go" in Engrish was actually on the list of most important new Japanese words that year.

It just didn't leak over to anime, because they can't use it because of copyright laws. But copyright doesn't apply to the original looking glass book. Anyone is free to use the setting.

>>146604915
Alice is overrated desu. "It's all a dream" ending was such bullshit.

alice liddell

more like

alice diddled

>>146608918
This is from an interview with her mother, two weeks after marriage.
Although she and her husband Were unaware that Charlie and Eunice were planning to marry last January 14, Mrs- Winstead said,
"We knew it was going to happen
eventually because Eunice has been in love
for the longest with Charlie, and he has loved her since the first time he has seen her."
The mother said about a year ago,Eunice went through Charlie's pockets and "found a picture of a woman from across the mountain."She was so mad that she teared it up in little pieces and hid them under a rock pile, where I guess they still are, the mother said". "Why only a week ago, that child came dancing
through the house singing: I love Charlie from the bottom of my heart" at the top of her voice."
> and he has loved her since the first time he has seen her."
I wonder how old she was when he saw her for the first time.

>>146609640
>This. A lot of classic tales were very sexyually charged because they weren't kids tales, but adult tales.

You can't really know the "original" tales since they are folk tales and some spoony bard can just modify them in every bar they visited.

>>146610473
http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper%208/Schenectady%20NY%20Gazette/Schenectady%20NY%20Gazette%201937%20Grayscale/Schenectady%20NY%20Gazette%201937%20Grayscale%20-%200707.pdf
Source for those interested.

/a/ - loli marriage /his/tory

>>146608918
>the marriage of 9 year Eunice Johns to the 22 year old 6 footer
I can see the journalist had a size difference fetish too.

>>146610180
Do you have problem with my insightful post anon

>>146610473
CUTE

>>146609696
Anti-Usagi Drop faggots should take note.

>>146610610
yes! token loli doesnt make mc a lolicon! it makes him a man of refined taste

I want pedos to leave.

>>146596991
>Sure, it's big in the West but that makes sense - it was made here.
That's really terrible reasoning.
But the answer is "because Alice is good", not because it appeals to any specifically Japanese sensibilities.

>>146610692
>only 1 reply
Guess /a/ got bored already.

Best thread on /a/ right now.

>>146610473
>Why only a week ago, that child came dancing through the house singing: I love Charlie from the bottom of my heart" at the top of her voice.
Holy shit my heart.

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>>146608733
>Impressive that their marriage lasted until death.
>Actually believing it wouldn't.
Nigga, the strongest marriages on average are with virgins who never had any other partner in life.
Not to mention, this took place in the 30s where the whole marriage thing was actually taken seriously and with the commitment to last until death actually being a matter of course and not something to be surprised about.
Financial independence and having women pursue careers ruined marriage forever, you wouldn't see many women slutting about and being proud of it if they were wholly dependent on a single man.
I have no idea why women gave up the NEET life happily and made life worse for everybody; yeah, sure, back then being a housewife was monotonous and actually required work, but now? You have machines that do 80% of the job for you, cooking has never been easier and with such diverse options. If you make cleaning a habit then that shit will only take you a leisurely daily hour at most that you can clog up with music, radio, podcasts, fucking audiobooks, anything.
Imagine being a woman in this modern age where the only expectation was to find a man, be able to work a washer and pump out a kid or two, which can now be controlled by the massive proliferation of contraception, it would be fucking glorious, all we had to fucking do was spend like two hours housekeeping and then we could spend the rest of the time between 45 minutes of cooking just lazing about playing vidya, watching anime or reading manga.
For being denied my NEET rights I will never forgive those bitches.

>>146611503
The only ones that benefited from women working were the companies
>suddenly market flood with workers
>now we can be more selective over who we hire and treat our workers badly since there is another person applying anyway
>prices of everything go up to adjust for 2 people working instead of 1

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>>146611503
It is still possible to be a housewife today. I plan to be a house wife after I finish my college degree. My husband is an engineer and will make enough money for us both.

Just keep yourself pure and marry someone who will make a decent amount of money. People in trades or engineers usually make enough and the types of people in these fields will often support the house wife lifestyle.

>>146611503
>>146611740
LONDON

>>146611503
Women are brainwashed into thinking they have to become wage slaves and ride the cock carousel. The pressure from society is intense and other women look down on those who choose to be housewives, outside of certain communities where it's more accepted such as among evangelical Christians.

It's also a more precarious choice than it used to be, in this age where many people are forced to move from job to job every few years. Also, in the big cities where the best jobs are, paying for housing is more expensive than ever if you want to avoid dangerous shitskin-infested areas, so a lot of households find it hard to get by without two or more working adults.

>>146611503
Wish I was born in the 30's desu senpai.

>I have no idea why women gave up the NEET life happily
Because stupid feminists felt like they needed to prove women are better than man and that they can anything a guy does and they can pump out kids at the same time, wich men can't.
And guess what? It backfired on them. So far they have only proved they can't. Most woman end placing their work over marriage and kids as their priorities, so you either have women in their 30's that haven't had any serious relationship, or women that barely pay attention to her kids because they are too busy working.

>>146611740
>housewife NEET watching anime all day and shitposting on /a/
Do you have blue eyes and messy black hair by any chance?

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>>146610418

>>146612066
Nice blog mate
subcribed :^)

>>146611884
You really want an Ako?

>>146612129
Sorry, I did not mean to get off topic. I apologize.

>>146612141
Ako is too fat for me.

>>146612141
I'd rather a pig.

>>146612191
I'm pretty sure pig doesn't want to be a NEET wife.

>>146612175
Chubby is love, chubby is life.

Do you want your children to grow up without fat NEET tit milk to suck on?

>>146612191
I want pig to step on me

>>146611503
>>146611852
>>146611850
>>146611633
Yeah, must be great to be 100% dependent on your husband, even if he beats the shit out of you and you can't do anything about it, because you need the money.
Must be great that the husband can be as promiscuous as he wants, because he knows that the wife has to endure being cheated on, lest she wants to lose everything she has.
Must be great if what's keeping your marriage together is only necessity and force, rather than free will.

You also lie to yourself that the only configuration where that could happen is the one where the woman is the housewife, but how about YOU stay at home and be a dependent househusband? Sounds like a bad deal? It has the same "upsides" you just praised, you hypocrite.

You guys are fucking delusional in your conservative fever dream.

>>146612066
You kept that mindset despite being in college as it is today? Impressive.

>>146612360
>but how about YOU stay at home and be a dependent househusband?
Sure, but first I'd need someone to accept the other part of the deal.

>>146611740
>I plan to be a house wife after I finish my college degree.

Sure you are, anon. Sure you are.

I can't imagine myself ever being a house husband even though I hate going to work. Maybe that's because I don't want an office wife.

>>146612416
____________________kill yourself_______________________________

>>146612485
Can't. I'm already dead inside.

>>146612360
>Yeah, must be great to be 100% dependent on your husband, even if he beats the shit out of you and you can't do anything about it, because you need the money.
>Must be great that the husband can be as promiscuous as he wants, because he knows that the wife has to endure being cheated on, lest she wants to lose everything she has.
>Must be great if what's keeping your marriage together is only necessity and force
Sounds personal. Maybe you should have made a better choice in picking a mate if that's the way he treats you.
>but how about YOU stay at home and be a dependent househusband?
I'm living it, and it's fine.

>>146612360
>>146612360
You forget the 7 or more kids you have to look after.

>>146611503
Reminder that back when, women had pride on housekeeping work and the like. Read shit like Dickens and housekeeping is like this gentle art that requires a female touch.

>>146609650
Then I moved into fantasizing about being forced into watching The Little Prince, Cheshire Cat, Queen of Hearts and Mad Hatter gang rape Alice.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

>>146612623
You fucking degenerate

>>146612527
>Sounds personal. Maybe you should have made a better choice in picking a mate if that's the way he treats you.

Victimblaming much?

>>146598459
>[Citation Needed]

>>146599131
Really? Damn. Wish I'd played it.

>>146612360
>Even if he blahblahblah
And what if the husband doesn't do that stuff you crapped out? You being the glass half empty type in such matters tells more about you that you'd like others to know.

And judging by the tone of your question, you come off as the kind of person that would belittle the shit out of the man that ends up marrying you. So even if there are men out there that might be willing to be housekeepers, I hope for their sake that they never agree to be one to you.

Anyway, angry, bitter, lonely and fat lardbeast detected. Have this pity (You) and fuck off.

>>146612682
>Victimblaming
Now you made it too obvious

Marriage is an outdated concept anyway. With religion dying, it's better off we just kill the whole thing.

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>>146600791
Nope. Poofy bloomers only for you sir.

>>146612682
We are all responsible for our own choices. Women with abusive SOs chose them and they are living with the consequences. Let's not infantilize them by saying it's not their fault.

>Alice in Wonderland thread

>>146612757
>lets destroy the basic unit of society

haha no

>>146600544
Oh. He only knows of the Disney version. How cute.

>>146612799
Destroy the old one and build a better, more modern one above it.

>>146601791
Go on...

>>146612811
>if its old its bad

>>146612799
The basic unit of society is money, anon.

>>146612841
It's not bad for its time period.

It's no longer suitable for the modern era though. We are all individualists as fuck so why bother marrying? Sex is now commonplace after all.

>>146612731
>And what if the husband doesn't do that stuff you crapped out?
Then you're lucky, but you being in a game theoretical disadvantage that eases all sorts of mistreatment of you and your children still says the same.

>>146612527
>>146612731
>You being
>Sounds personal.
I was making claims about the average outcome of such marriages. Why you had to stoop to personal attacks rather than arguments is beyond me and looks rather funny to me, considering that I'm male.

>>146612874
>if its old its bad

>>146612909
That's not an argument, anon.

>>146612909
>things never change

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>>146606380
Yep

>>146600738
Getting into a fantasy world is literally one of the most basic folktale motif anon

>>146612843
>>146612799
The basic unit of society is the free individuum. Without individuals, there can't even be families.

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>>146597309
Lewis Caroll was a real life pedophile though.
Died a virgin his life because he only wanted to fuck children.

>>146612874
>We are all individualists as fuck so why bother marrying? Sex is now commonplace after all.
That's exactly the problem, mate.

As long as people only of themselves and fucking instead of serious relationships and caring about each other we can't have nice things like >>146610473

>>146612989
That shit ain't real. It smells like a novel.

>>146612989
Let's abolish fucking then. Everyone is only allowed to have sex once a year. This will raise serious interpersonal relationships to a new level!

>>146612763
That'll do.

>>146613011
>I didn't read the thread.

>>146608680
>"WHAT?! She's in labour? yyyyyeeeaaaahhh... I gotta go, uh... SQUIRREL HUNTIN'! Yeah! That's the ticket! See ya! SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT"

>Alice thread
>Turns to blogging, gender politics, shitflinging, and general crap
Nice.

>>146612966
The basic unit of society is the atom, for they make up the molecules that make up the individual.

>>146613106
Alice is overrated anyway. I'll just read Anne of Green Gables for my western loli fix.

>>146612971
>Died a virgin his life because he only wanted to fuck children.
source

>>146613106
Well, before that we had pedo superiority posting ("fucking old hags, REEEE!").

>>146612966
I feel like "muh spooks" among other philosophers.

>>146613194
That's at least tangentially related to Alice.

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I will never get tired of it.

I really want a modern Alice anime without any added twist.

So, how many of you faggots have watched the anime Wizard of Oz? It has Dorothy in lewd garterbelts.

The 3d but not pd couple posted in this thread was way too cute for me.

>>146613339
>dem panties

Saved to my fap folder

>>146596991
Because ARISU!

>>146596991
Looks like it has become popular only recently. What happened?

>>146613601
Looks like you've come to learn about the topic only recently. What happened?

>>146601338
>a human being in a different world
Literally isekai

>>146612900
>the average outcome of such marriages

Note this well: This is NOT the average outcome of such marriages in western society, and never was, much less in the modern era. There's no question it occurred.

You are a male in name only; you have had your mind subsumed by a feminist culture that would have you believe that all they do is for the good of society, when in the end it is nothing but a bunch of unhappy, emotionally unstable people looking for something to blame for their misery.

>>146608830
>Lolis are between 12 and 15
Educate yourself

Good thread

>>146611503
>>146611740
pls be in london

>>146612360
>how about YOU stay at home and be a dependent househusband
WHERE DO I SIGN UP
WHERE!?

>>146612790
More like:
>Every Alice thread ever

>>146613339
Fat blue Chitoge.

>>146613879
>Humbert Humbert, is obsessed with the 12-year-old Dolores Haze, with whom he becomes sexually involved after he becomes her stepfather. "Lolita" is his private nickname for Dolores.

Educate yourself. Also read the thread and replies.

>>146596991
lolicon
more than that it's meta lolicon

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Can someone please scan that Alice in Wonderland LN?

>>146614288
I don't want to.

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>>146609043
>mfw i read this as ''fucks her to bed''

>>146613371
I want to but I can't find it anywhere

I want to brutally murder all lolicons.

>>146614233
Humbert specifically gives the age range as 9-14

>>146615694
So, Alicons go frim 7 to 12 and lolicons from 9 to 14.
We need to come with a clever name for the 9 to 12 intersection.

>>146615526
Vivio is that you?

>>146612360
>but how about YOU stay at home and be a dependent househusband?
I wish.

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>>146612971
So? As unfulfilled as his real life might have been at least he created his mark on the world with an eternal waifu.

White datura's artbook was really good.

>>146608830
Ah summer is over in a few weeks

>>146610148
>Use of the word Negro by whites to refer to blacks all the time
>child marriage allowed and barely anyone blinks an eye
>Barely any divorce
>Homosexuality was considered degenerate and a mental illness

Was 1930's America /pol/?

>>146617319
I feel like the 1950's would had been Americas /pol/ seeing how anti-communist it was along with being anti-degenerate and anti-black.

>>146617360
Was child marriage still allowed then though?

>>146617425
in West Virginia

>>146609764
>>146609807
>>146609831
I've seen that movie, it was shit.

>>146611503
>Wanting to be a wagecuck

This desu. My dad still thinks I'm wears and there's something wrong with me the fact that I don't want to work and would rather stay home all day playing video games or browsing the net if I could choose. He thinks that's a sign of mental illness or "low self esteem" since in his opinion it's not taking "pride in oneself and wanting to accomplish shit and leave one's mark on the world."

All the while I'm just laughing to myself on what an incredible idiot cuck he and the rest of society's normalfag wage-slaves are: They've been brainwashed by society to just be another cog in a machine instead of using their personal free time to do what THEY want to do and have fun and relax. They've literally convinced themselves this path makes them more worthwhile as human beings meanwhile I'm getting a good night's sleep every night, have no stress and satisfying my needs to the fullest while they're using the majority of their time to do hard mental and/or physical labor all while convincing themselves that I'M the one the mental illness if saying I'd never choose to work.

Non-NEETs practically define Stockholm Syndrome.

I'm glad, I love the general universe with Alice and the different canons that people have taken liberty with (the awesome games, and a few dark adventure novels out there)

>>146611503
Lmao you're insane

>>146614288
I could buy it but I don't like Alice so no.

I do have the Anne of Green Gables LNs though.

>>146596991
Lolita complex.

>>146597417
I can't come up with a good argument against this.

Good job.

>>146597417
>>146597349
Let's get real here. Alice probably sounded hot enough to disregard age if it drove the creator to create a gigantic world with her starring in it.

>>146613787
You really have zero reading comprehension.
The claim wasn't that the vast majority of marriages was abusive and had the husband cheating, but that the the outcome of those marriages is one of increased dependencies, which lower the requirement for abuse, cheating and staying together out of necessity, rather than free will.

You should really think about how your assblastedness colours your reading and clouds your judgement. This motivated reasoning from your political zeal in your holy fight against feminism is simply not constructive.

>>146617882
>Lmao

A little bit of stress is actually healthy. There's also the question of how you're going to fund your fun and relaxation, and other bills, if you don't work and don't want to depend on leeching off of others. Finally, there's not only people who have their jobs as hobbies, but also those who made their hobbies into jobs, so those don't have to conflict. It's hard for everyone to be able to do that, of course, but not even trying to get that is pretty sad.

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>>146608703
How lovely would that have been.

If true then her parents denied true happiness.

>>146618748 was a reply to >>146617610

>>146614288

I'm not going to destroy it.

>>146608979
you mean Alice in Takarabakoland

>>146618873
>>146608979
whoops, forgot link
https://exhentai.org/g/965785/4c5663d09f/

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>skim through thread, loli marriage was already posted

O-oh.

>>146606380
Where can I read this online? I've been looking for it but I can't seem to find it with good quality.

>>146618897
Male Alice just doesn't feel right, and I gap to traps a lot.

>>146619306
>gap
*fap

>>146619128
You'll have bad luck if you are looking for it in english, seems shit was licenced and most translations got deleted. I have been reading it in spanish but as you can imagine the tranlation goes way slower.

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there is Kagihime as well - vaguely Alice related

ultimately shit, but it has its moments

>>146617610
>Non-NEETs practically define Stockholm Syndrome.

Well, in other times in exchange for working your ass off for your family you had the chance to actually have one. No frivolous divorce, no child support, no used-up slut for wife, no "equality", no feminist culture clipping your balls off. The man provided, but also was actually the head of the family. Maybe it's not your thing but it's probably for the majority of men.

Now men get to keep all the responsibilities, none of the powers.

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real life alice a cute
in a not sexual way

>>146619705
>Mfw walk into a Japanese store in walks an Asian woman with her two hafu kids and one full white little girl.
>Get curious so ask her who the girl is
>She says it's her stepdaughter
>Another white male screwed over by the Western feminist slut, chooses a qt Asian woman as his next waifu.

Did he make the right choice? Is /pol/ right? Are Asian women are last refuge for traditional family values in a world where the cock carousel, "stronk independant Western Woman" has taken over American womanhood?

Did that woman's American husband just get redpilled?

>>146619843
I would.

>>146619705
Is scary how legit this sounds.

>>146619843
Looks like a boy, desu.

>>146619967
Man, you're whiny.

>>146620489
>Man, you're whiny.
Sorry, meant >>146619705.

>>146608765
>>146608742
>>146601651
The original work (Alice's Adventures Under Ground) is actually a book he wrote to teach Alice (the IRL one) formal logic.
The current version (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland) is the commercial one and thereference to formal logic were toned down.

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Alice in Wonderland
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/pop-alice.php
The Princess and the Goblin
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/sp1506-d.php
Anne of Green Gables
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/pop-Anne.php
Peter Pan
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/sp1301-a.php
The Snow Queen
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/sp1402-d.php
Pippi Longstocking
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/sp1307-b.php
Little House on the Prairie
http://www.tsubasabunko.jp/special/sp1207-c.php

>>146608361
That man is living the literal dream. Fuck him

>>146620625
>That man is living
It was already wrong at that point.

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>>146620618
>that pippi's loose stocking

>>146620518

I'm a NEET myself and I don't even lament it. Just calling things as they are.

>>146608830
>Lolis are between 12 and 15.
lurk for 2 years before posting

>>146608918
>the reason she supposedly got married was b/c in Tennessee at that time it was legal for a married child to not attend school? Apparently Eunice’s teacher was particularly fond of corporal punishment and she did it to escape the whippings. Not only was legislation quickly passed in Tennessee to outlaw 9yos being able to get married, a law was passed requiring married children to attend school.

>I also found a thread on a genealogy site by a guy who searched out Eunice and met her in the mid-90s. He said she was delightful and had stayed married to Charley until he died in the 90s.

;__;

>>146618947
>she's staring at his junk with that smug smile
>he's daydreamin about squirrels

>>146620618
Are these just a teaser or is there the full version?

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Lolicons are diseased

>>146608929
Tell that to the shoujo crowd. Any given Alice there has some measure of elegance mixed in.

Come to think of it, she had pretty much anything a shoujo could ask for. Beautiful gitl, the undivided attention of the world around her, magic and whimsy and the fact that she's English for Japan's raging England boner. All they needed to do is give her love interests and they're set.

>>146619306
Are You Alice made it work I guess, though it was a lot more violent. They even have a loli Alice he was based on.

>>146619967
What the hell are you on, dude? Sometimes a chair is just a chair, sometimes a divorce is a divorce.

>>146613339
I'm still surprised there has been no adaptation like that. It would be hard because of the rhymes and wordplay but it should be interesting regardless.