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Storytime - Saint Seiya Volume 22

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Reminder not to post spoilers until after the entire volume is posted.

Let's follow the story of a young boy named Seiya and his friends in a world where Greek gods rule the universe. Struggle, friendship, family, rivalries, BATTLES and lots of blood awaits them in this classic manga that inspired and still continues to inspire generations of mangaka!

Opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFUSEVOfJg&index=17&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n

Without further ado, let's begin.

Volume 1 >>145382257
Volume 2 >>145430404
Volume 3 >>145478783
Volume 4 >>145515571
Volume 5 >>145569343
Volume 6 >>145621448
Volume 7 >>145667044
Volume 8 >>145717135
Volume 9 >>145767905
Volume 10 >>145823118
Volume 11 >>145878958
Volume 12 >>145932889
Volume 13 >>145986243
Volume 14 >>146041287
Volume 15 >>146093563
Volume 16 >>146142714
Volume 17 >>146188816
Volume 18 >>146280806
Volume 19 >>146329252
Volume 20 >>146391785
Volume 21 >>146439911
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Saint Seiya pastebin, courtesy of anon: http://pastebin.com/vmYRvpXN
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Knights = Saints
Shina = Shaina
Princess Sienna = Saori Kido
Lord Nobu = Mitsumasa Kido
Jab = Jabu
Morris(silver jobber) = Moses
Sanctuary Master = Pope
Mephisto = Death Mask
Didaros(Shun's master) = Daedalus
Mainstay = Main Breadwinner
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I've been waiting for this.
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>>146489857
This volume is good
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>>146490201
Shiryu my boy
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>>146490033
This whole arc has been good.
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>>146490369
True
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>>146490369
But it has been practically all Gold Saints.
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>>146490508
They never got their time to shine before though, well not completely.

What people complain is about the goldwank spin-offs because there's only golds doing stuff since the authors want that sweet gold dick in therir pussy, in the original they're secondary characters that get their moments to shine and they're pretty cool when they do so, but they never get the entire story for themselves.
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>>146490461
I wonder how big of a Sagafag that Kubo is?
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>>146490508
Nothing wrong with that. The Gold Saints needed their time to shine and its fun watching them.
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>>146490907
I've always laughed at how super fucking cumbersome those huge cloth containers are. I suppose that is what you get when the cloths' "at rest" state is some sort of statue instead of everything folding flat-ish.
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>>146491044
It's time OP. Chikyuugi.
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>>146491004
As a kid I loved the huge boxes. Like, you're a knight and you have to physically carry the burden in a huge-ass box because if you can't do that much you don't deserve it.
It reminded me of Muten Roshi's training too. Pretty cool.
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>>146491084
When chapter ends
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>>146491135
Press F
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>>146491135
BUT WHY
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>>146491183
Kurumada out of idea so he decided to axe the series early.
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>>146491156
ATHENA DED.
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>>146491183
because Athena have to die to be able to go to hell (which is domain of Hades) and also because virgin death to be able to go there before her and escort her in her mission
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>>146491280
Dude, spoilers.
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>>146491280
Kill yourself retard
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>>146490874
oh, yeah, those two...
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>>146491291
I wish I could've seen the fans reaction back then when they saw Athena legit died.
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>>146491341
Whenever this kind of shit happens I think "Oh please they don't have the balls" and then an uncomfortably long time passes and I realize it was not a prank
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=293s2jpkLME

Athena's death in the anime.
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>>146491280
Delete your post already faggot.
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>>146491074
>this is a 13 and half girl
Oh, you silly mangas and the way you make everything awkward.

I also tend to forget the Bronze saint are only 14.
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>>146491469
Seiya and Shun are 13
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>>146491280
No spoiler. Please, delete.
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>>146491389
This scene was legit amazing in the anime.
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>>146491280
And spics/hues wonder why they're hated here.
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>>146491580
Just hide and report posts like that. I guess..
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>>146491632
Fuck, I shouldn't have asked. It was a goddamn rethorical question.
I'm deeply ashamed for my partner spic. We're all terrible people.
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>>146491616
It was very well directed. That part where Miro is strangling Camus out of grief and when Seiya walks and trips pitifuly while calling Saori's name. It really drives it home that the saints failed to protect Athena.
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>>146491506
original term for Radha&co is Three Leaders
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>>146491819
>be still
>tosses them around
what a dick
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>>146491719
Wait, where was Shiryu? The Goldies were saying he was blown to bits.
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>>146491857
Well he needed to calm them down somehow...
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>>146491857
>>146491911
Yeah, he's also like 250 years so he was just applying a corrective to some kids.
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>>146490065
>That was the sound of two Athena Exclamations colliding!
How would he know the sound? It's not like he's heard it before.
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>>146490162
I like how everyone there has just forgotten he's there.
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>>146491738
>>146491632
Now, now, we don't know if he is actually a spic, there.

but, yeah, anon is a fagot.
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>>146490264
>Shura face: OH SHIT I KNOW HIM, HE'S TOTALLY PREPARED TO DIE. AGAIN.
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Motherfucker....

Thanks for story time.
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>>146490298
>>146490331
>Ultimate
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>>146492043
>Whatever smooth promises Hades makes, we'll NEVER harm Athena.
Well, Saga did have a special Athena-killing dagger back in the day which he tried to use.
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>>146492013
Broken english says everything
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>>146490943
Apparently it's easy to get to Star Hill if you just use the Starlight Extinction. I bet that's how Shion always did it.
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>>146490981
>Seiya literally slept for 8 hours
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>>146491909
probably bellow some rumble. He mustn't have been far behind them, there.>>146491016
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>>146492265
Like with a rocket jump?
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>>146491106
Gotta love how Saga hesitates after all that.
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>>146492214
I am just saying that because I am belgian and I have been called a spic several time for my broken English too.

For all we know, he might be French.
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>>146492416
True
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>>146492265
Or, simply, you use teleport.

Like all people from mu's race which shion is part of toocan ?
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>>146492330
I had forgotten the plot point that Athena didn't knew her blood was needed to resurrect her armor.
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>>146492416
True enough, but at this hour and going by the demographics of this manga/anime's fandom, it is very likely that he's a spic/hue.
But whatever, let's keep reading this.
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>>146492548
Magical Goddess blood is like peerless cement for Clothes.
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>>146492416
It's weird, because he said "which is domain of Hades". If he were Spanish or South American, he'd know to use an article (el/the). This is the kind of mistake you'd expect from a Slav, if you ask me.
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>>146492371
Aiolos must not have the courage to cast aside his honor aside and commit unspeakable sins for the sake of justice.
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>>146492555
Though, maybe using Telepathy could have solved some problem.

Maybe Hades would have casted them back to their death the moment they tried to join her telepathically, hence why they needed to be there in person while appearing to be on Hades's side.
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>>146491253
Notice how Saga killed himself in front of Saori, and Saori killed herself in front of Saga. It's like pottery!
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>>146492589
The torn cloth bits look really cool when contrasted with the pristine armor.
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>>146492589
>TAAAH DAAH
Beautiful.
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>>146492525
>toocan
Toucan?
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>>146491856
I though it was three giants from the the giants that appear in the Divine Comedy.
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>>146492705
>>146492751
It is fucking Athena Christmas!
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>>146491852
>I mean it's not like they could still be spying on us, right? Right?
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>>146492606
Like said in the previous thread, it' more likely no one who have believed Aiolos would have switched side.

Alternatively, Hades simply didn't ask Aiolos in the first place because he knew he would never join him.
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>>146491996
>Especially Deathmask and Aphrodite!
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>>146492801
There should be a Toucan Saint somewhere,since there was an old constellation called the toucan.

Would the Toucan Cloth be Bronze or Silver?
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>>146492801
...goddammit.
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>>146492248
>And we have to carry ours around in these big-ass boxes? Talk about privileges!
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>>146492863
But Shion wasn't really that believable either.
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>>146492606

Aiolos soul is in the sagitarius cloth
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>>146492505
>And the gold saints?
>Eh, fuck 'em, they used Athena Exclamation to stop us.
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>>146492924
There is in Omega.
>inb4 lolomega
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>>146493098
Is Saga a magician?
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>>146492558
Or french, or italian, or spanish (spanish is different from spic, right?).
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>>146492589
>Here, new toys for the marketing section!
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>>146493142
Yes.
Since Saints don't have a salary he gets his spending money by doing magic tricks.
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>>146493207
I once read somewhere that Mu fixed TVs to make money.
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>>146492642
However, he seems to give Shion plenty of time to awaken Athena's cloth, explain the situation to the bronzes, and upgrade their cloths. To his defense, Shion couldn't have known.
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I want Pandora to rape me
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>>146493221
>Frog moaning in pain on the corner.
Top Kek.
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>>146493273
Surveillance was relaxed after Athena died.
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>>146493247
Aiolia is a personal trainer at one of many Athens gyms near Sanctuary.
Shaka is a kindergarten teacher.
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>>146493207
Mu is the only saint with an actual job.
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>>146493385
Aphrodite mowed lawns.
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>>146493344
No, Hades knew, which is why he kills Shion before the 12 hours (although, why would he leave Saga and the others alive, except for DRAMA?).
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>>146493447
Shura was a Lumberjack.
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>>146493445
English translation?
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>>146493385
>Shaka is a kindergarten teacher.

"Lucas and Eron, this is the 3rd time you've interrupted my lesson by chit-chatting too loudly. I'm taking your ability to speak for the rest of the class.

Literally."
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>>146493447
Camus and Shura own a butchery.
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>>146493525
You got it, anon.
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>>146489747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOMYMQkk54
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>>146493538
She's not evil Athena, she's more like Hades' Pope.
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>>146493280
>>146493325
>>146493486
This part of the plan was not as well thought out as the others.
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>>146492894
THEY WERE THE TWO WHO LOVED ATHEANA THE VERY MOST!!!
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>>146492705
>>146492751
In the anime, Phoenix received Gold Blood for his armor. Did he also received Athena's Blood at this point in the Hades OVA?
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>>146493159
I think the word you are looking for is spaniard.

Spanish = the language.

Spaniard = someone from spain.
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>>146493508
>Armors are in horrible condition
>I don't know how much blood and time will it take
>100 dollars is the best I can do.
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>>146492751
... NOT!
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>>146493682
Indeed. I get the feeling they were just like "Eh, they might take us to Hades. Maybe. It's worth a shot".
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>>146493763
They achieved the primary objective, s'all good.
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>>146493629
Here we have the Gold Saints return to their customary lvls of usefulness.
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>>146493629
>Golds are getting their asses kicked already
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>>146493827
is Kanon still ok at this point?
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>>146493273
>>146493483
>No, Hades knew, which is why he kills Shion before the 12 hours
Athena being dead it considered the resurected Gold Saint might as well suffer. Shion by killing him slowly, the other 3 by letting the Spectres kill them
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>>146493789
See Death Mask, this is what you should have done to Shiryu, this is how you properly take out the trash.
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>>146493863
He didn't join Aries/Leo/Scorpio so he's prolly on infiltration mode or something.
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>>146493863
Yes, but he has done nothing useful besides delay Saga and Co. for a few minutes, so nobody cares about him.
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>>146493789
>>146493827
I feel this part of the plan wasn't particularly well thought either. I mean Shion couldn't have given the blood to them too?
They really die at this point, and that's it for them until the final reunion. Kinda lame really.
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>>146493907
>Hmmm...I could have sworn one other gold knight entered this castle.
That's either Dohko or Canon accounted for.
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>>146493012
Pandora is basically the Great Pope of the Spectres.
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>>146493024
Shion had fought in the previous war
Aiolos was pure.
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>>146493985
I'd fuck the Great Pope of the Spectres
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>>146493115
there was limited amount of blood, it had to go to the most trusted Saints.
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>>146493997
Radamanthys' armor is so cool...I saw there was something called Myth Cloth EX for it, anyone have it? How good is it?
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>>146492877
Wait, did I miss the part where Dohko became young again?
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>>146492065
I did like A LOT how the anime managed the scene, with ALL the Bronze sending the double AE up in the sky(explaining why it didn't blow up the Sanctuary like everybody was saying it would do) while at the same time having the Dead Golds reacting to their slayers
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>>146494072
His EX version is amazing, it's quite cheap too(compared to other cloths).

You can check in youtube people doing reviews
>>146494075
That's what happens when you skip volumes
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>>146492921
>>146493954
That is either a really long jump or they can fly.
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>>146494071
You're not exactly helping your argument.
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>>146494138
Now he dun goofed.
ABSOLUTE ZERO INCOMING.
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>>146494038
The one from LC is even more fuckable.
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>>146492371
because just straight up telling Mu "use Athena's blood on the statue to revive her Cloth" would be too hard. Fighting their ways up to Athena killing her living soldiers in order to kill her is totally easier.

Also, it only worked because Shaka's own KEIKAKU totally unrelated to Shion's
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>>146494091
>Okay, what happens?

My sides
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>>146494192
Don't forget, all the Saints are debuffed as hell right now.
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>>146494091
>Okay, what happens?
Oh, Seiya, I missed your cocky bantz~
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>>146492525
It's not a race. Just a people in the Hymalayas.

And ANYBODY with a Sixth Sense awakened can teleport and use telekinesis.
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a storytime on /a/
neato
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>>146493715
No
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>>146494212
>DAKKA
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>>146494249
Will Hyoga ever stop suffering?
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>>146492660
works even better in the anime, with Saga killing himself with the Nike in Athena's hands and here Athena killing herself with the dagger in Saga's hands.
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>>146494212
I bet even the dying goldies chuckled at that.
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>>146494221
Do they seem debuffed to you?
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>>146492555
>Athena need to give her blood to resurrect her armour
>but she doesn't know it
>Athena need to kill herself as a shortcut to reach to Hades directly
>But the Saints who know about the need of her blood to resurrect her armor don't know that either
>And Athena actually need her armor if she want to have a chance in her confrontation with hades
>but she doens't knew she had an armor in the first place.

All in all, the Hades war look like the result of a Terrible miscommunication management.
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>>146492894
Shion's Corner in the Perfect Edition address it as them being really good actors
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>>146494282
Saga is a master of understatement. Does killing Silver Saints count as training?
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>>146494267
It actually is a race, even though it doesn't get explored at all in the manga.
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>>146494333
They're only fighting that frog guy so far.
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>>146494334
Which, ultimately, can be blamed on Saga because he killed Shion back then.
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>>146493682
see>>146494334
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>>146494367
>Screeching in pain in one panel
>Casual conversation in the very next
...is Frog really Tommy Wiseau?
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>>146494377
After all, Deathmask sings a musical in LoS, and Aphrodite becomes an actress in Episode G Assassin.
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>>146494450
We'll find out in the next Holy War.
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>>146492371
Fucking Hyoga, always the cold one.
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>>146492924
>>146493118
it's in Lost Canvas OVAs, actually(pic related)

Its rank is unknown, but based on the color schemes used in the OVAs, it's likely a Silver Cloth
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>>146493629
>>146493697
>>146493748
>Hades shield drains our ennemies of most of their Power
And here is why people complain that Golds are Jobber for the rest of the series.

But really it wasn't their fault and the bronze got a cheat code.

Anyway, time fot he Bronze to shine.
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>>146494682
This cloth looks pretty badass.
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>>146491280
delete this man
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>>146494668
You know, one thing about Hyoga is that he rarely overkills. He doesn't usually do the Aurora Execution unless the opponent is a tough one.
So the fact that he does it here is pretty significative, he really just does it as an eulogy to Camus.
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>>146493827
Her is Rhdamanthes, displaying his inability to count (you forget the Libra).

Please don't bully Rhadamanthes, it's not his fault, he was born like that.
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>>146494794
Skipped two pages, maybe a spread, here, I think.
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HxH dumpfag here.
Nice! Only saw the thread now though... Are you doing the whole franchise?
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>>146494794
SONNA!
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>>146494827
fixed
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>>146493954
They know how to make a good entrance.
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>>146494851
No, just the original series.
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>>146494882
for you
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>>146492921
So, can Saints fly or not?
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>>146490162
>>146490201
>>146490231
>>146490264
>>146490298
>>146490331

As a fan of Shiryu, i wish they would have left this scene as it was in the OVAs.
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>>146494164
How so?
The Bronze aren't Athena's most trusted saints? Also, Gold's amrors were pretty much intact, it's the bronzes's armors that needed repair.
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>>146494970
>>146494854
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>>146493748
Important point: in the Sanctuary OVA there is no barrier weakening the Gold.
In there, Radhamanthys massacre them with his own power: he was specifically powered-up to look more like a Final Boss and to make the Specter an even greater threat, where their leaders are stronger than even three Golds fighting together- it was also to facilitate the power-creep with the events in Elysium.

Such change is reverted by the change of producing staff in the Hades OVA, where the events are retconned to their manga counterparts, included the appearance of Harpy Valentine, absent in the OVA.
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>>146493887
he DID try to do exactly that. But then the Deads started to bother him, then Shun-rei, then the Cloth left...
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>>146495017
Why is it important?

And Radamanthys is stronger than the golds.
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>>146495066
So hotblooded.
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>>146494200
that's not even at her sexiest
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>>146494200
I prefer the original Pandora, she's more classy.
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does anyone have an script or something to make reading in the archives easier?
inline expander or make 4chan x work with it?
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>>146494209
>because just straight up telling Mu "use Athena's blood on the statue to revive her Cloth" would be too hard
They would have been kill the moment they tired this, making it all useless.
>Also, it only worked because Shaka's own KEIKAKU totally unrelated to Shion's
Actually it only made things more complicated, as it was told there >>146494334
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>>146494377
Wuh? I always simply assumed they were bona feed traitors
who simply reformed at the end, for old time sake
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>>146494427
barrier is actually strong enough to make Gold Saints fall to the SKELETON FOOTSOLDIERS, as seen in Next Dimension

>>146494377
see? Canon!

>>146494387
No, just a population. They are descendants of the Mu alchemists, but they aren't any race more than Vikings were a race.

>>146494435
Saga killing Shion was actually willed by Khronos. Cronus was fine with it, too.

>>146494741
Teshirogi's armors usually are quite nice.
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>>146494564
COLD!
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>>146494377
>>146495343
IIRC said "Shion's Corner" even says something later like Dohko may have lectured them or close enough so I think it was really just cutesy letter answering more than anything.

hell they go to the lengths of saying "what is this about Aioria and Marin dating? SOUNDS LIKE A RUMOR STARTED BY MEAN PEOPLE"
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>>146495099
Stronger than a gold doesn't mean he's stronger than 3 golds, that would be a bit too ridicolous.
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>>146494682
>>146494741
That one is OK, most of the new cloths they did for LC look like fan arts tho.
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>>146495076
and then Iron Man.
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>>146494955
No, but they can totally jump hella high.
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>>146495099
it's important because POWERLEVELS|

Also, Radha is more or less as strong as Kanon.
Which is A LOT but even him couldn't defeat three Gold Saints together.

>>146495183
not really: just a sentence would be fast enough.
After all, if they thought they had enough time to tell Saori, they would have had enough to tell Mu.
Third, apparently Shion didn't even told Saga&co about the Cloth.

it's ridiculous, so much for the Goddess of Strategic War

>>146495234
Spoiler: a lot of these guys are cut out because the manga was going to end.

>>146495458
Shion did lecture them in the underworld. They repented.

>>146495631
with Kanon you can!
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>>146495472
Oh, I remember these 3 guys.
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>>146495652
It said Dohko, not Shion,
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>>146495518
Sometimes I wonder if having a bronze cloth sometimes isn't just better than having a gold one, you get underdog power at full force.
Also goddammit guys, you jobbed horribly there.
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Wasn't Mu the strongest Gold?
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>>146495008
>zelos is still alive
yay
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>>146490065
>That was the sound of two AE colliding!
I'm starting love this manga.
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>>146495677
I'm reasonably sure it was Shion- it wouldn't even make sense been Dohko, as he wasn't dead and they reformed BEFORE being resurrected

>>146495713
Shaka and Saga. Saga is generally stronger, but Shaka's Cosmo-accumulation trick puts him before Saga
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>>146495652
>not really: just a sentence would be fast enough.
They were being watych by a psyker. they would have been dead the moment they formed the thought in their head.

They almost get caught by the Faery after they killed Shaka and they only communicated through thought at this point.
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>>146495713
Not Mu, I meant Dohko.
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>>146495772
>I'm reasonably sure it was Shion- it wouldn't even make sense been Dohko, as he wasn't dead and they reformed BEFORE being resurrected
It said Dohko, and that they were probably lectured by him after he invaded hell while they were stuck in Cocytus.
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>>146495099
>And Radamanthys is stronger than the golds.
Debatable. He is at Gold Level, but I wouldn't say stronger than every of them.
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>>146495780
It's said in one of the materials that Shaka wouldn't have been able to kill Shion if he wasn't old as fuck
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>>146495845
Saga*
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>>146495772
Dohko might be about as strong as them too, really, and Kanon is as strong as Saga is.
Kanon and Dohko also manage to obtain the 8th sense.
Arguably Aiolia also is as strong as Shaka is, as he was able to battle him to a standstill.
But the truth is, most gold vs gold battles are 1000 days wars when they actually happen.
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>>146495177
Which archive are you using?
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>>146495924
desuarchive
is there any better?
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>>146495652
>it's ridiculous, so much for the Goddess of Strategic War
She made the best decision she could with what she knew.
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>>146495924
The pastebin has direct downloads of the timed out threads if you want
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>>146495982
For all the flak Athena gets for her reeedicolous plans, she actually brings home results.
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>>146495761
>Seiya just fucking grabs himself to a spectre and falls to the underworld

Holy fuck i'm laughing here
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>>146495177
I usually just read the archive, but Save Images addon works, as it opens all the image of a tab (or several tabs) in a tab with just the images.
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>>146495706
>that's not what jobbing means.
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>>146496068
>And he awakens the 8th sense without even knowing about it
I'd put this under spoilers, but c'mon, even Shun knows he did.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwV0LcsIEsk&index=20&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n
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>>146496068
Honestly, I am disappointed that the other three didn't leap on their own Specters to follow him.
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>>146496155
>Saints of confirmed strength
>Slayers of the generals of Poseidon
>Heirs of the Gold Saints
>Get thrown in the air like little kids just to show how stronk Rhada's followes are
That's literally the definition of jobbing, we know how strong they are, they get beat up to show how strong the opponents are. These specters are actually upper middle tier, they have a nice fight later.
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>>146496188
>Had he know about it, he might have fucked it up
Also, checked.
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>>146495761
GLOMP
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>>146496209
New OP tomorrow? It's the beginning of the Hell Arc.
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v3 Swan, this is definetely the best of the 3.

>>146496258
Celestial stars are pretty powerful
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>>146496284
New Andromeda doesn't look as stacked.
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v4 Dragon.

This is also really fucking good
>>146496303
Yes.
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Here comes the spectres to make my dick hard. Jesus the surplices are GOAT

Anyways, End of Vol.22
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>>146495361
>see? Canon!
No, just aphrodite and deathmask
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>>146496425
nice tail

next vol starts worst opening
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>>146495647
>>146496425
>Celestial Wailing Star
>Earthly Wailing Star
VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZ
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>>146496463
I've been listening to it in the last couple days and I have to say it's actually pretty good, hypes me up.
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>>146496068
>Uncensored dick on SJ
Man, I miss old SJ.
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>>146496425
Valentine Myth Cloth EX when?
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>>146496425
My biggest gripe against Hades is that the specters are forgettable and that the surplices are overdesigned and indistinguable.
Even the three judges are kinda boring. Two of them barely have a face.
And then it gets even worse in the end with a boring battle against the samefaces gods.
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>>146496628
Forgot pic
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>>146496463
It's the worst of the 4 but it's by no means bad.
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>>146496258
The Bronze's power is not Gold level tier, because they don't have full control of the seventh sense, as we will see in the next volume.
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>>146494072
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>>146493280
Well, okay. Buckle up, we're going in raw.
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>>146496922
Man, that looks pretty pimp.
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>>146496662
The Elysion part it's the best part of the arc.
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>>146497003
Hades EX is the best though.
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Manga Seiya >>>>> Anime Seiya

Why did Toei make Seiya annoying?
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>>146496922
The purple-ish highlights look pretty cool, better than the colors the anime used.
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>>146495779
Psy can't read other's mind.

Also, it doesn't change anything: if they couldn't form the thought in front of Mu, why they would think they could form the thought in front of Athena?

>>146495780
No, he's just very good at faking

>>146495796
I do remember it saying Shion, though

>>146495845
It was Shion's Corner. It said Saga wouldn't have been able to kill Shion SO EASILY, not he wouldn't be able to kill him.
From Next Dimension and Lost Canvas, we now know Shion's incredible ability to avoid fighting... Saga would have had a very hard time to catch Shion before being able to kill him!

>>146495982
Yes! Because keeping how you get your own Cloth a secret is a very smart decision!

>>146496006
it's never her plans, though, just the Bronze Saints managing to make miracles and bullshit.

>>146496749
which, at this point, makes no sense.
The whole battle against Poseidon was supposed to have them master the Seventh Sense.
If not, it was completely useless because they didn't learn a thing.
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>>146495796
So that means they were still traitors when Resurrected, but that when Dokho got trapped with them in the Cocytus, he lectured them before being brought back for the las time?
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>>146497264
That's what it seemed like.
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>>146497255
>Psy can't read other's mind.
But it can catch telepathic conversation. In Shaka's garden, they were only communicating telepathically (they stated so themselves) and after they killed Shaka, they were able to tell him the reason of their coming when they saw a faery, meaning they had to stay shut.

>they couldn't form the thought in front of Mu, why they would think they could form the thought in front of Athena?
Because Athena would have warden off Hades's influence long enough? She is a god too, after all. It's speculation but it make sense.

And then they were caught offguard when Athena killed herself. and deiced to stay shut about it up until Shion actually came to resurect Athena's Armor.
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>>146497255
They only reach the Seventh Sense when they rise up their cosmos, that's why their cloths only turned gold temporarily. It was never said they "mastered" it.
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OP here.

Only for people that already know what's coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwgKJzg5yDM&index=27&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n

Ending for the next arc, I'm thinking of leaving the one we have now.
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>>146497255
>Yes! Because keeping how you get your own Cloth a secret is a very smart decision!
Seems Athena forget memory of previous incarnation. It's still information you wouldn't want to be shout on top of all roofs, That only the Great Pope know about this make sense.

Maybe he let a memo somewhere in case he would die suddenly, but nobody knew he was kill.
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>>146497255
>The whole battle against Poseidon was supposed to have them master the Seventh Sense.
The seven General where Silver Tier.
>If not, it was completely useless because they didn't learn a thing.
It was still a step forward the mastering of it, but not the final one.
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>>146497482
Song is too good, just post the song with not animations, I think the PV is in youtube somewhere.
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>>146497482
Does it happen like that in the manga as well? Cuz in that case then yeah it's super spoileriffic and might even be cooler to just leave it for the Hell arc end.
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>>146497264
Dohko is never trapped in Cocytus.

>>146497436
they don't reach anything.
They did awake the 7th Sense at the 12 Temples and kept it awaken.

The gold plate is for when they rise up their Cosmo at the level of Gold Saints- which happens as soon as they are actually serious.
Even the Gold Saints don't always fight at their max power.

>>146497489
Again, stupid.
Why should it be a secret? I get from most, but not from the Gold Saints.
Also, nobody even thinking of looking in Star Hill to see if there was anything Pope-Eyes-Only that Saori or Dohko should have known.
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>>146497553
Or this. Look for a version with only the song and we're ok.
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>>146497553
I can only find the full version.
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>>146497482
Just use the Episode 1 of Inferno version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgR2UbCx7YY
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>>146497482
>>146497553
>>146497604
>>146497639

Found this ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KmTu4HQhfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jWWleyPks
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>>146496188
What do you mean?
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>>146493954
They forgot Shiryu is blind, poor guy almost headplants again
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>>146497663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBoT59WzxgI
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>>146496092
>as it opens all the image of a tab (or several tabs) in a tab with just the images.
that's called middle click of a mouse.
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>>146497668
>>146497734
Nice, I can use any of these.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzQuV0mjug&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n&index=32

Elysion is the same by the way, but there's another version that doesn't have spoilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyK52JBJW8&index=35&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n
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>>146497782
Well it has Athena's armor...
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>>146496258
>That's literally the definition of jobbing
No it's not. a jobber is someone presneted as strong but that get his ass kicked ridiculously fast and is defeated.

The Bronze here, on the other hand, weren't defeated and actually managed to get the upper hand in the end. Jobbers don't.
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>>146497825
OPs and EDs always show something you 'haven't seen yet', that Elysion ED works just fine given that
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>>146497825
And it was already revealed that Athena will don her armor so I think it should be fine.
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>>146497782
>That final Elysion ED

Man, I remember I almost cry when I first saw that, specially considering what happens in the last episode...
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>>146496662
Zelos, the guide to the palace of Judgement, Radhamantes, the one who Judge on behalves of Minos, Minos Charon, Hypnos and Thanatos are all memorable.
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>>146497782
>Related video is the Soul of Gold OP
>I'm struggling hard to remenber what song it is
>Give up and click
>It's fucking Soldier Dream
Do any of you guys remenber ANYTHING from this shit? I barely do.
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>>146497634
>Not from the gold saints
Actually judging by their past record, it should be kept secret from them and the pope.
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>>146498091
That's true enough...
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>>146497634
>Why should it be a secret? I get from most, but not from the Gold Saints.
Because the Sanctuary has other ennemy than Hades and the less they know about Athena's armor the better. They hide its exitence so of course they can't share much about it.
>Also, nobody even thinking of looking in Star Hill to see if there was anything Pope-Eyes-Only that Saori or Dohko should have known.
To ask a question, one should know there is a question to ask in the first place.
> I get from most, but not from the Gold Saints.
No matter the Canon you pick from, Next Dimenssion or Lost Canvas, there IS an history of traitor among Golds. so, no, not even the Gold knight should know about the exitence of an Athena Armor. The less know the better. A traitorous Gold could at any point get the opporunity to destroy Athena's Armor whil it is still not resurected, it's best to hide its existence to as much people as possible.
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>>146498057
At least Soul of Gold's Soldier Dream is hype as fuck.
>When Aiolia and Aiolos raise their hands at the "ASU NO TA MEEE NIIII!"
If you don't raise your own hand at that, your cosmo ain't burning, nigga.
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>>146490981
itis hits hard
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>>146497634
>They did awake the 7th Sense at the 12 Temples and kept it awaken.
Their awakening to it is still one of a beginner.
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>>146497634
They don't keep it awaken. For example: Seiya did awake the 7th sense when he fought Aldebaran, but he could not see the lightspeed attack of Aiolia until he burned up his cosmos, same with Saga, Seiya was able to hit him when he burned his cosmos to the max.

If bronzes had mastered the 7th sense, they wouldn't need to to rise up their cosmos everytime to even the odds, like for example: Seiya vs Charon and Ikki vs Aiacos.
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>>146497995
Next Dimension ruined the end
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>>146491004
i always thought they were cool, given that carrying them is probably nothing for the saints

speaking of, why the hell did LoS turn the boxes into paintings for the gorudos?
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>>146498213
>>146498222
Awaken the 7th Sense doesn't mean master it.
To see lightspeed moves one needs to burn the 7th sense enough.

But they did awake it in the 12 temples, and in Poseidon they did learn how to burn it at will at the level of the Gold Saints.

At this point, they should be just shy of the more experienced Gold Saints, while in Hades they looks weaker than in Poseidon.-

>>146498319
>speaking of, why the hell did LoS turn the boxes into paintings for the gorudos?
Rulo of Cool, I guess.
Same thing for the Clothstones(well, that was also to make the characters easier to animate)
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How is Soul of Gold? Is it worth watching?
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>>146498367
Clothstones make sense just for someone to keep their identity hidden more easily than the cloth boxes, but getting rid of the objects is a pretty stupid move.

But LoS apparently "needed" the dogtags instead of cloth boxes for its plot to "work" (so said a producer), and the only time that'd HELP is when Aioria goes to Japan after Saori where they'd not be fucked if they didn't carry the cloth boxes with them like in the anime.

And then no one tries to fucking use their dogtags except for Shiryu who now never takes his cloth off as a gag (except when he fights Deathmask, so.. huh... I don't even know really.)
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>>146498471
Did you enjoy the Asguard arc of the original anime?

If yes you are going to either love it or hate it.
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>>146498174
Soul of Gold is cancer
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>>146498471
If you just like gold saints on principle you're probably going to like it

If you like fights to have some sort of tension to them and not just flash a character around to make their fans feel better while failing to abide to any basic sort of logic ("these new enemies don't even make us fight seriously but we can only beat them without killing them if we go God level!"), then that's probably going to dock some points already.
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>>146498174
>At least Soul of Gold's Soldier Dream is hype as fuck.
Nowhere near as good as the original.
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>>146498527
Were was Siegfired in Soul of Gold anyway? I thought he had survived the Asguard war, at the end of it?

Also, it kind of bugged me Asguard had all those spare armors. I though all of them were already there in the original Asguard arc.
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>>146498636
None of the original GWs survived.

Also it's Asgard. Asguard is one S away from buttsex prevention
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>>146498471
It's...
No, sorry, it's pretty shitty. Full of QUALITY and boring battles. What's funny is that the only redeemable aspects are actually Cancer and Pisces' shenanigans. And Aiolia discovering girls.
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>>146498678
>What's funny is that the only redeemable aspects are actually Cancer and Pisces' shenanigans
I kinda liked it.
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>>146498471
It's garbage just like every other anime original shit Toei puts on.

Might as well watch Omega.
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>>146498815
Hey I liked it when Lifya blushed at Aiolia being manly and shit because I'm a disgusting romancefag but I recognize Soul of Gold is shit.
Nothing wrong with enjoying the few worthy pieces in the pile of shit.
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>>146493997
seiya's come a long way
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>>146498992
Lyfia a cute (though given every other SS girl it's pretty clear they went for broke into making her waifubait in comparison).
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>>146499568
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>>146499350
Lyfia a cutie patootie.
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>>146499698
So which one do you like the most?
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>>146499568
2nd Cloth looks like Megaman.
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>>146499350
D-doushioooo...
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>>146499763
Apparently, japs hated the crown and that´s why Seiya lost it and got a new one from Mu.
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>>146498472
>Clothstones make sense just for someone to keep their identity hidden more easily than the cloth boxes, but getting rid of the objects is a pretty stupid move.
a LOT of Omega1 was made to facilitate the animators, because they were horribly late with everything and they had to work FAST

>>146498471
it's bad.
It does have a few nice things, but it's mostly bad.

>>146498837
at very worst Omega has a few GOAT animated episodes. Unlike SoG
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>>146499825
To be fair it doesn't really fit, the cloth looks like a mech and the head is a sparring headgear
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>>146499882
Hell it doesn't fit with any Cloth
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>>146499350
>>146499654
>I want to be the little girl
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>>146499825
Don't know if the japs hated it so much as Kurumada himself threw it out the window as soon as he could (it barely made two weeks in publication or so after all). He himself said that the v2 helmet was just out of place in some interview IIRC.
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>>146499731
Shouldn't you have waited for the Phoenix new cloth to show up, before making those comparison. If I remember right he also get a new model before the Elysion.

(it's just his cloth reformed, though, nothing special or new blood power)
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>>146490874
I wonder where were they? *wink wink*
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>>146499568
>>146499624
>>146499698
>>146499731

I like the way their proportions changed from boyish to manly (manly in a Kurumada way anyway)
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>>146500015
I'll make it when he appears.
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>>146497690
Seiya just jumps into hell without knowing anything of the 8th sense, and yet still manages to awaken it somehow.
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>>146491074
>Asks about why she gives it to him
>After picking it up
Saga you bastard

>>146491156
This proofs goldjerks would accelerate Athena's dead instead of preventing it if they tried to do something on the 12 temple arc.
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>>146500073
>"Sorry for being late We couldn't see the clock from the Libra temple."
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>>146497741
No, it opens all the image links in a single tab.
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>>146499926
We know, Odin.
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How many girls do you think felt their coochies tickling for the first time while watching the Hyoga/Shun scene at the Libra temple?
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>>146498569
Yeah, Deathmask really makes the show.
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>>146500310
Saint Seiya made the term "Yaoi" popular.

That's your answer.
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>>146500162
this was reworked in the Sanctuary OVA as him throwing himself AND Radhamanthys while burning his cosmo to the utmost limitsm enough to make his Cloth golden.

Final Bronze Cloth don't get gold in the manga. It was supposed to be a sign Seiya awakened the 8th sense there.
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>>146500310
When SS aired shortly afterwards in France the older-'uns who could even know what was going on just began to feel a very strong scent, a little bitter with hints of salt, emanating from somewhere near the ocean.

"It came from Japan!", they said.
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>>146492751
At this point their cloths must be nothing short of the gold ones.
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>>146498367
The generals still gave them trouble, though.

The bronzes have always been like this, when they're fighting they usually start at a lower level, until they rise up their to cosmos to win. Considering that at most, only a few months passed since the twelve temples battle, it makes sense that they still wouldn't have mastered the 7th sense yet, unlike the Gold Saints since they have awaken it at a very young age, unless you count Dohko and Shion, but we don't know for how long they have awaken the 7th sense before they were promoted.

This is evident in ND, even though they are partially holding back, because they know there is a war and they know that the Gold Saints of the past must remain alive, Ikki says this to Kaiser in ND.
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Has anyone here read Hoero Pen? Is Cho Ichiro Nagareboshi based on Kurumada? I can't quite place who else could he be based on, really.
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>>146500694
>they are partially holding back, because they know there is a war and they know that the Gold Saints of the past must remain alive
Bronze saints already confirmed better than Saga-Shura-Camus-Suikyo
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>>146500694
>The generals still gave them trouble, though.
which is fine.
Generals were supposed to be just less than Gold Saints.

It wouldn't make sense for the Bronze to not have problems with them.
Surviving by miracle(Sanctuary)->having trouble(Poseidon)->being more or less equal to Gold Saint(Hades Sanctuary) was the progression.

and I wouldn't use ND as comparison, in there Dohko and Shion are just newby chumps for the other Golds but Shiryu&co state they are as strong as they were in the future. While the other Golds don't appear to be any stronger than the future ones.

So, yeah. It doesn't make sense.
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>>146500694
> they are partially holding back

Tenma isn´t, but he probably never had any big fight so it makes sense for him to be weaker

Him having the V5 Pegasus Cloth makes no sense though
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>>146500175
>This proofs goldjerks would accelerate Athena's dead instead of preventing it if they tried to do something on the 12 temple arc.
I am not sure I understand what you mean.
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>>146500959
Maybe it's a yet unexplained time paradox and it's actually the cloth from the future.
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>>146500959
Well Tenma is a newbie though, at least compared to Shun and the rest.
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>>146500890
>So, yeah. It doesn't make sense.
What do you mean? it all make very much sense.
>
At this point, they should be just shy of the more experienced Gold Saints, while in Hades they looks weaker than in Poseidon.-
A lot of Spectres are powerful.

Fuck they are dozens of them from GSilver to Gold level. of course they are going to give them a hard time. I don't see what is difficult to grasp.

and like said previously, they still haven't fully mastered their 7th sense.
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>>146491819
This page became a meme and was parodied by a lot of series
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>>146489787
the original THE HEART
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>>146500959
>Him having the V5 Pegasus Cloth makes no sense though
by the way, the generally accepted terminology is:
v1(the original) also known as "First Bronze Cloth" in anime terminology
v1.1(Shiryu's blood)
v1.2(Sanctuary)
v2(Gold BLood) also known as "Reborn Bronze Cloth" in anime terminology
v3(Athena's blood) also known as "Final Gold Cloth" in anime terminology

>>146501247
>A lot of Spectres are powerful.
Except the only meter of paragon are the Gold Saints, and they had problems only with Myu and the Leaders.

Kurumada should have shown the Gold having some problems with other Specters but by the end Kanon, Dohko and Shaka don't have a goddamn SCRATCH not caused by the Leaders.

It basically shows all the Specters except the Leaders aren't worthy opponents for the Gold Saints. Which in turn means the Bronze, who HAD problems with them, are much weaker.
Also, they have awakened the 8th Sense. It's ridiculous they could do something like that without a mastery of the 7th
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>>146500162
Maybe he burned up his cosmos off-panel?

>>146500421
I wish that they would have introduced Valentine and Co. instead. They could have extended the brief encounter Seiya had with Valentine, when he is about to leave, Seiya fights him a little until he pushes him into pit while burning up his cosmos, like in the OVA (except without his cloth turning gold).
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>>146501606
What is this "THE HEART" thing you talk about?saw some post like that last thread.
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>>146501575
Why this one? Hasn't the series done the "flinging people into the air" thing a lot of times by this point?
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>>146501702
>>I wish that they would have introduced Valentine and Co. instead. They could have extended the brief encounter Seiya had with Valentine, when he is about to leave, Seiya fights him a little until he pushes him into pit while burning up his cosmos, like in the OVA (except without his cloth turning gold).
as they didn't know when and IF they would make the Inferno chapters, they preferred giving the OVA a Final Boss Battle with Radhamanthys instead.

It also worked well to show they WERE going to surpass the Gold Saints.
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By the way, for people new to the series reading this (is there anyone?) if you're gonna watch a single thing from the anime version it should be the Hades Sanctuary Ovas. Pretty much every change is an improvement (except for shortening Mu's fight) and they also add a bunch of stuff like showing Radamanthys fight the Golds.
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>>146501700
>Except the only meter of paragon are the Gold Saints, and they had problems only with Myu and the Leaders.
And? It indicate several of the Spectres are powerful.

Again, I make my statement, the Bronze who haven't fully mastered the 7th sense yet against dozens of Spectres, it make sense it would be difficult for them.

there is zero contradictions.

>Kurumada should have shown the Gold having some problems with other Specters
He showed it, you just mentioned them. It's all you need.

>It basically shows all the Specters except the Leaders aren't worthy opponents for the Gold Saints.
>shows all the Specters
>all the Specters
>all
It doesn't. Showing Gold having issue against certain Spectre is all you need to show that some are to be feared.
You are contradicting yourself.
>Also, they have awakened the 8th Sense. It's ridiculous they could do something like that without a mastery of the 7th
Why? Just because they have the hang of it doesn't mean they fully master it.
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>>146501937
I 'd say to watch the Original anime first. If only for the OST, who is fucking Gold.
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>>146501792
Bleach. One of the dialogues climaxes in a page that has nothing but "The Heart" in it.
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>>146501937
>Improvement

Yeah no. The Ovas are garbage.
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>>146502355
what a compelling argument, I hate the ovas now
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>>146501575
It's enough of a meme that Bandai CAPITALIZES on it really, when they were trying to hype Shion in Gold Cloth playable for Saint Seiya Brave Soldiers (DLC, of course) the page had him with the blood sputter speech bubble with "CALM DOWN, BRATS!" (the original Japanese text) in it
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ND Gemini is a headache
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>>146501827
It's special because it's all the protagonists that got hit
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>>146501827
Yes, but usually it was an attack, not a way to calm some brats.
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>>146502145
because you cannot awaken the Arayashiki without mastering the Manashiki.
Or, actually: the smallest understanding of the 8th Sense includes the complete understanding of the previous senses.


How could you understand(not know! UNDERSTAND) that you Cosmo==Life keeps existing beyond Death if you don't know it perfectly? It's impossible, as the Undestanding of the Arayashiki implies the understanding of the lower senses.


About the Specters: they did only show ONE Specter giving a Gold actual problem.
Said Specter is defined as specially powerful by other Specter.
No other Specter give Gold Saints any problem whatsoever, except the Leader.
Logical conclusion: Myu was the only Specter this side of the Leaders to be any danger for the Gold Saints and the other are completely irrelevant.
The Bronze, who have hard time against said Specters, are therefore weak compared to a Gold Saint.

>>146502441
try the 3rd movie. it's Saint Seiya in concentrated form.
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>>146502311
It's a very touching moment, too.
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>>146502623
But that's just your headcanon.

Just because other specters weren't that strong doesn't mean the ones the bronzes fought were weak.
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>>146502623
Considering that the 8th sense normally awakens as all the other senses fade as you die, it makes sense the bronzes get the hang of it quickly. After all, who more than them has been on death door's (even quite literally) more than them?
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>>146502528
He's been doing that since the PS2 Saint Seiya games
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>>146502623
>because you cannot awaken the Arayashiki without mastering the Manashiki.
>Or, actually: the smallest understanding of the 8th Sense includes the complete understanding of the previous senses.
Source?
> It's impossible, as the Undestanding of the Arayashiki implies the understanding of the lower senses.
The understanding doesn't mean the full master of it. As said before, the Golds have much more experience with using their 7th sense. They know enough odf the 7th sense to reach the 8th, but it means in no way that their mastering of their mastering of the 7th sense is at the best it'll ever be.
Not to mention, they had a lot of Athena's help before to help them reach their 7th sense. They are on their own, right now.
>About the Specters: they did only show ONE Specter giving a Gold actual problem.
>Said Specter is defined as specially powerful by other Specter.
He is said to be really powerful. At no point is he said to be unique.
>No other Specter give Gold Saints any problem whatsoever, except the Leader.
There is the one who killed Aldebran too.
>Logical conclusion: Myu was the only Specter this side of the Leaders to be any danger for the Gold Saints and the other are completely irrelevant.
That's in no way a logical conclusion, that's literally jumping to a wonky conclusion, with no real solid point to back it up. there are 108 Spectre. Conclude that all of them are weak based on what we saw of a few of them is plain stupid.
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>>146496251
>v5 Pegasus
>>146496284
>v3 Andromeda
>>146496321
>v3 Swan
>>146496372
>v4 Dragon.

I always thought all bonze saints had their armor upgraded 2 times to this point. At what point did Shiryu get one extra upgrade, and Seiya 2?
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>>146500890
>While the other Golds don't appear to be any stronger than the future ones.

There are hints that they might be, Suikyo (whom Ikki said, is one of the strongest foes he ever fought) is overpowered by Cain, and Ikki says he might be the strongest gold saint of that era, Izo excalibur is said to be better than Shura's, Kaiser has less trouble with the Worm specter than Aiolia did, etc. the only exception would be Shijima, because he said that Shaka might be the most powerful Virgo saint since ancient myth.

>>146501700
The 8th sense does not grant more power, it only allows you to go the underworld without dying.
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>>146499731
Andromeda4life.
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>>146502767
I agree: but it doesn't mean they were strong, either.

Canon-wise, Flegyas is supposed to be really strong with Kanon defeating him easily only because he had already seen his attack on Shiryu and Hyoga.(source: Flegyas' profile on the Encyclopedia)
But it doesn't look like that in the manga: it looks like Shiryu and Hyoga were down'd like newbs and Kanon is the only competent of the trio.

Kurumada's weakpoint always been his "winner doesn't look strong, it's the loser who looks weak"

>>146502889
>The 8th sense does not grant more power, it only allows you to go the underworld without dying.
neither does the 7th sense.
The 7th and 8th Senses just that: SENSE.
Higher awareness.
Higher awareness means being able to better burn Cosmo.
Once they awakened their higher Sense, they don't burn their cosmo through the lower anymore.

>>146502958
in the manga, Shiryu's and Seiya's Cloth get modified with Shiryu's blood and later at the 12 Temples

>>146503019
>>There are hints that they might be,
I don't remember Izo's being said such, and Worm always been a weakling, Aiolia had problems only because he was careless.
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>>146502958
Stop watching the anime.
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>>146502958
Manga-only.
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>>146502958
Seiya had his armor repaired with Shiryu's blood, and likewise Shiryu. Then he lost his helmet after black pegasus, so when Mu repaired everyone's, hemade him a new helmet.
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>>146502958
In canon it's like this.

Anime is less. Well with omega I guess there's 4 versions?
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>>146503125
His armor changes too, not only the headpiece
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>>146503173
9 actually:
First Bronze, Reborn Bronze, Final Bronze, God Cloth, Clothstone, New Clothstone, New Cloth, Omega Cloth, Omega Cloth 2nd Form

Hell, given Omega is in theory canon with Tenkai, there is the Final Cloth there which makes TEN Pegasus Cloths
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>>146501845
They could have done that with Valentine instead, they could have let Seiya and Valentine fight while Shun and the others fight the specters (not talking about Gordon and co., i mean just random specters that are inside the castle) or something like that.

I'm not saying that the Radamanthys fight was bad or anything, i would just have preferred that they kept the introduction of Valentine and the others there.
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>>146503456
that wouldn't really be a Final Boss Fight, though.
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>>146503125
Because Mu used the rest of his Cloth to make the helmet out of it, so the whole thing needed to be reworked.
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>>146503100
>Once they awakened their higher Sense, they don't burn their cosmo through the lower anymore.

Where are you getting this from?

Also, Hyoga said that Izo's excalibur might be sharper than Shura's, by looking at the number of panels, it took less time for Kaiser to break free from the Worm's Bind than Aiolia did, that hints that Kaiser might be stronger than Aiolia.

And i want to add, Hyoga would have died by Mystoria's Aurora Execution (something Camus could NOT do) if Mystoria hasn't pressed his life point to save him.
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>>146501937
I'm but I don't think I'm going to watch anything. I strongly prefer manga, especially when it's the source material, I disliked most of the changes that were made when someone pointed them out here. The only thing I heard people praising it's the anime OST anyway.
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>>146496209
Always meant to read Saint Seiya. Thanks for doing this anon. The OP and ED are really great. Even if i never watched the series before they have a sense of nostalgia, something forgotten or lost long ago.
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>>146504357
>Even if i never watched the series before they have a sense of nostalgia, something forgotten or lost long ago.
I've the exact same feeling. I can't even bring myself to get mad at all the silly things there are because they come off as endearing to me.
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>Unless I am mistaken, when Shaka restore Ikki a new Cloth, it remains the same
Welp, I stand fucking corrected, shak DOES gives Phoenix a new design for his Cloth, the little bastard.

Let me correct my chart.
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>>146504620
Shaka never restores Ikki's cloth.
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tfw you go from listening to los guardianes del universo ironically to loving it
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>>146499350
She was great.
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>>146502958
>>146504620
>I always thought all bonze saints had their armor upgraded 2 times to this point.
In the anime, not in the manga.
>At what point did Shiryu get one extra upgrade, and Seiya 2?
All Bronze Saints start at V1
Shiryu and Seiya get their first upgrade from Mu Whe Shiryu brought their Clothes to him after the damge those received in the Galactic Battle at the beginning. (that's when Seiya got his Space Helmet).
So
-V2 for Shiryu and Seiya
-V1 for Shun and yoga and Ikki

Soon after, because Kurumada and/or the fans and/or the editorial staff didn't like the Space helmet, it got completely destroyed in a fight. He keep the same armor from that point, but without his helmet.

At the start of the War against the sanctuary, Mu repaired all of their Clothes because they had suffered from a lot of damage from al of their fights, and Mu slightly reworked Seiya's Clothe so he could make a new helmet out of it so he would be fully protected.The other clothes don't get modification and are just repaired as they are, so Yoga and Shun are still at V1 while Shiryu is still at V2. Unless I am mistaken, when Shaka restore Ikki a new Cloth, it remains the same
So
-V3 for Seiya.
-V2 for Shiryu
-V1 for Shun and Yoga and Ikki

After the civil War at the Sanctuary, the Gold give their blood to the Bronze Clothes as a token for the Bronze Saint who had much suffered. Unlike what happens in the Anime, Phoenix's Cloth receive no gold Blood in the Manga, but When Shaka rematerializes himself and Phoenix in his temple, before going to fight Saga, Shaka use the self-rebuilding ability of Phoenix's Cloth to repair it, with a new design.
So, after the Sanctuary Civil War
-V4 for Seiya
-V3 for Shiryu
-V2 for Shun, Yoga and Ikki

And here we are, with Athena's Blood, All of the Clothes get an upgrade again, Even Phoenix, come back with a new design again, but no reason was really given for that, though
-V5 for Seiya
-V4 for Shiryu
-V3 for Shun Yoga and Ikki
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>>146504839
He give an hand.
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>>146505245
He does nothing, he just says the cloth will be back and then it's back.
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>>146505188
Shaka never restores the phoenix cloth it's entire gimmick is that it gets restored by itself REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>146505348
>He does nothing
But that's wrong, you can literally see him picking the dust of the Phoenix armor and throwing it at the cosmos of Ikki.
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>>146505402
I'd say he has an hand in its redesign.
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>>146503100
>Kurumada's weakpoint always been his "winner doesn't look strong, it's the loser who looks weak"
It's not even written by Kurumada, but I think the single worst example of this is Siegfried's brother being BTFO by Saga in one hit in Soul of Gold.
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Knew thing that bothers me about this is why didn't Hades bring back some poseidon generals, I mean Bian and Io suck ass but I'm sure Kryshna could have become a good follower.
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>>146505935
The anime staff played around with the idea of reviving the God Warriors and other minor characters like Cassius but just went with adding the Silver Saints in the end.

I could see the reasoning for God Warriors but some people cry blood that Cassius didn't resurrect and I'm just imaging "why" because what the hell would he even be able to do
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>>146506006
I would have loved Ikki's master to have a cameo. Preferably telling someone to hate him.
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>>146505935
Posseidon's generals were below the level of Golds, it wouldn't have served much.
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>>146506125
"LITTLE GIRL!

HOW DID YOU SURVIVE MY ATTACK, WHY DID YOU DYE YOUR HAIR AND HOW THE HELL DID YOU BECAME THE SAINT OF ANDROMEDA?"
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>>146503499
Radamanthys is not really the final boss though, Hades is, and they could have made a climatic fight with Seiya vs Valentine if they wanted to. They could still hyped up Radamanthys like the manga did, the OVA did end in a cliffhanger after all.
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>>146506376
>and they could have made a climatic fight with Seiya vs Valentine if they wanted to.
They made a climatic fight of Seiya gainst thantos and even Hades.

Shiryu got a great fight against 3 Spectres beforehand.
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>>146505099
I started listening to it because of you guys and I'm kinda in the same situation. I guess the fact I can understand like 70% of the lyrics helped
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>>146506529
It helps that this cover is amazing

https://youtu.be/5R3Lv7f92rE?t=73
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>>146503100
>Canon-wise, Flegyas is supposed to be really strong with Kanon defeating him easily only because he had already seen his attack on Shiryu and Hyoga.(source: Flegyas' profile on the Encyclopedia) But it doesn't look like that in the manga: it looks like Shiryu and Hyoga were down'd like newbs and Kanon is the only competent of the trio

The whole "an attack cannot work on a Saint twice" only applies when the two fighters are of equal strength at the very least, he looks weak to you only because Kanon finish him off quickly, but that's understandable because he is one of the strongest saints.

Also, that scene also proves that the bronzes had not mastered the 7th sense.
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>>146506711
It's like distilled 14 years old essence. And it's pretty good.
I'm having a blast lately listening to all the covers. Here's an Ukulele one by one of the hystorical Italian VA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mta_9F2q8kM
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>>146504107
And Mystorias said Hyoga was holding back.
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>>146496463
Pegasus Forever is not that great, but it's not awful either.

Also, am i the only that is not a big fan of Chiyuugi? I'm not saying it's bad, but when i think about SS, this is the last opening that comes to my mind.
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>>146507261
chiyuugi fit the theme of hades sanctuary perfectly

then you star the next ova and its some saturday morning cartoon shit
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>>146507261
Nowadays I agree. But when I first saw it, the last time I had seen anything Saint Seiya was years before, so that opening gave me nostalgia chills.
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>>146507345
The tone is no different than Pegasus Fantasy or Soldier Dream.

Stop being retarded
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>>146507261
I don't like Chikyuugi either. It works with its opening, but I was hoping for something a bit like Pegasus Fantasy or Soldier Dream.

And then Pegasus Forever comes out and it feels like a marginally-better-version-of-original-soundtracks-from-the-secondary-markets, and well, too bad for us
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>>146507198
Yeah, like i said previously, the bronzes are holding back because they don't want to kill the golds, but still Mystoria came closer to killing Hyoga than Camus did, that's a pretty good feat if you ask me.
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