So Escaflowne is getting a new English dub for the Blu-Ray r

>>146128948
>English dub

>>146128948
>dub
Fuck off.

>>146128948
Why change the dub, it was decent?

>>146128993
>>146129007
The dub isn't important. It's that we're getting subs on a BD release, so I can buy it.
>>146129153
Because there are some DC episodes that the original dub didn't do.

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>>146128948
Not going to lie, that trailer is actually well done, and brought back memories. But alas, I already have the series on my hard drive, and going by what they did with Bebop, I can see them trying to do noise reduction causing the picture quality to tank. Also, why would I bother to listen to anyone other than Maaya Sakamoto voice Hitomi. I guess it's time to do my yearly rewatch of Escaflowne.

>>146129273
But I have a recent release of a DVD set of the series from 2010 i think with all episodes dual audio though. Nothing cut all there. You must be thinking of the Fox Kids airing that cut the show up.

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>>146128993
>>146129007
>MUH superior weeb language
Believe it or not but the nips can also have shitty dubs and aren't perfect. I've found myself preferring English dubs over Japanese dubs because of their level of quality on multiple occasions. This dub seems rather fantastic and you're willing to brush it off because of your preconceived notions of English voice actors.

>>146129604
(You) really running low on bait >>>/v/

>>146129461
I don't know what release you have, but it can't be based off the remastered DVD or BD.

>In the retail Japanese video release, some of the deleted scenes were restored to the first seven episodes
Then there's this:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-02-27/exclusive-funimation-launches-kickstarter-to-dub-escaflowne-tv-anime-director-cut/.99141

Part of the reason for the redub is because there are scenes that were never dubbed.

>>146128993
>>146129007

>Getting triggered this hard by a dub

I would understand some if it was moeshit, but it isn't.

>>146129437
This is a 720p YouTube upload, though. The original trailer on FUNimation's channel looks better.

>>146128948
i love the original english dub why redub it

Oh fuck, that trailer hyped the shit out of me!

>>146128993
>>146129007
Dubs are perfectly acceptable. There are even instances where the dub surpasses the original. I look forward to rewatching this series in English.

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>>146129801
It does, and it looks better than their Bebop release, but I'm still hesitant. When was the last time a Funi BD release looked nearly as decent as a G_P or EG release? And since I can easily watch anime on my 40 inch tv, I'm not seeing any reason to buy this. I'll probably do it just to support Escaflowne, but I doubt I'll ever watch those BDs. I sure as hell don't watch their Bebop Blu-ray collection.

>>146130102
That's true, the only real benefit in buying FUNimation's Bebop is the dub (which is a huge reason for me).

At that point, if you want to support the show you're better off importing like I did with my copy of Escaflowne as long as you're alright with no subs.

>>146129801
link?

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>>146130093

>>146130477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rua5DnhBh3Q

>>146130102
Why do Funi BD releases look bad compared to the Japanese release?

>>146129742
Huh if so, I am definitely buying this BluRay release as this series is worth to support the official release and I only do this with series I enjoyed.

>>146130545
>The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
fugg

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>>146130554
White noise reduction because whoever does the encoding thinks that "grain is bad and no grain is better", not realizing that to remove the grain you have to remove the picture quality, and all the colours become flat.
>>146130416
Which is what I'm probably going to do.

>>146129437
>yearly rewatch of Escaflowne
Are you me?

>>146130680
>white noise
I meant noise.

>>146130554
Variety of reasons. I've heard stories where some Japanese companies don't like to hand over the master copies to western licensors, but compression's usually the case. Take note how FUNimation and especially Sentai releases use fewer discs compared to the Japanese.

>>146129712
Not bait at all. I'm completely serious. I understand your being skeptical of someone actually having a different opinion than you. It must really be shocking,

A dub announcement is shit not worth celebrating over. However, that's largely inconsequential considering it's probably dual audio for the BDs.

So yeah. Somewhat excited to see the blu-ray release.

>>146128948

I'd have paid money for it not to be dubbed.

Please view this classic, subbed.

>>146131560
HAHAHAHA

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>>146129604

>>146128948
Why was this show so perfect? Animation, art style, screenplay, music were all GOAT.

>>146128948
>Vic Mignogna as Funimation dub voice of Folken

>>146129604
>nips can also have shitty dubs

i dunno, rick and morty in japanese is pretty fucking hilarious.

or are you talking about japanese language track?

cool always wanted to listen to more whining about fighting during every fucking action scene

>>146133941
I'm talking about Japanese voice acting in general.

>>146133512
Now if only it was a bit longer...

>>146128948
Who gives a shit? It's a dub.

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The locations on Escaflowne were great.
>Fried capital
>Palas
>Fanelia
>Zaibach

All looked fucking fantastic. Also Folken's flying fortress was pretty cool.

Zaibach's capital has that coruscunt, blade runner city kind of look which I like a lot.

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>>146128948
>that fukin ost

KIMI WO KIMO WO

>>146128948
Damn.
Watching contemporary anime I've forgotten how utterly on another level Escaflowne was.
I...I'm going to need a break...

>>146138782
>it's clearly an unrespected thing with no incentive or system to attract real talent, no prestige given to the VAs

Define "real talent", because the West is surely no stranger to talented VA's throughout the ages, from Mel Blanc to Frank Welker to Steve Blum etc. and there are cases like Ron Perlman where a live action actor becomes a respected voice actor in his own right. You're absolutely right that they get nowhere near the respect they deserve, and that is criminal.

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>>146128948
>dub
Eh. Call me when they animate a Hitomi nightgow BD special.

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>>146139490
>she never kissed Van.

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I just watched it for the first time, and other than the boys and the animation for the gymlef fights, I didn't think it was all that great.

>>146139553
and the ost and a story that we don't find anymore nowadays.

I miss Medieval Mecha. When was the last time we got a good one?

>>146139552
Fuck off you broken record kissufags scum.

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>>146139588
I'd say the characters were really good more than the story. I realize it was intentional, but having the plot based on things like fate and love changing the outcomes of these huge battles and whatnot -- seemed kind of silly to me overall. The politics were well-done though.

I wish we'd get more characters like in Escaflowne though. They were all complex and well-written.

And this might be a minority opinion, but the OST was very take-it-or-leave-it for me.

>>146128948
Think I prefer the old dub...

Oh well, still glad I ordered this. It's my favorite anime of all time, and I'll gladly throw money at it.

Still have the old DVD Box Set if I want to hear the old dub.

>>146139553
It's a pretty straightforward show, if you're looking for pseudo intellectual value in it you're wasting your time, Escaflowne is nothing more than a story about people learning to accept to take responsibility in a pretty fantasy/scifi setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ig4M4hFUrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbcKZwXjpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdNSXx5w5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmk5-BArIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv50DzU2l4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmydWaL-H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_gg1Kg5EE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FeLLZ7eIU

>>146139633
Code Geass, Kind of.

>>146139490
Her utter lack of hips is a boner killer.

>>146128993
>>146129007
It's better when you can't tell if the acting is good or bad.

I read on twitter that the Japanese director approves this dub.

>>146140256
What do you mean by "approves this dub?"
Of course, they would want more money.

>>146140256
It's on kickstarter retard: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/funimationprod/the-vision-of-escaflowne-a-new-hd-dub-for-the-clas/posts/1660096

>Part 1 Escaflowne Panel Q&A: Answers from the director Akane-san

>It has been 20 years since The Vision of Escaflowne first launched, yet fans overseas are still so excited about this series. Why do you feel that Escaflowne still remains so popular?

Akane: I actually want to know myself why this is still so popular. Honestly, back then in Japan while we made Escaflowne, we definitely put a lot of effort into it, but we didn’t really make it thinking that we were going to market it abroad. So we had no idea it would end up like this, and I’m actually really shocked myself, in a good way, how many more fans there are.

>Have you ever seen an English dubbed version of an anime that you directed or worked on before?

Akane: Actually, no, I must say I think this is pretty much the first time I’ve seen an English dub of my work, and in fact, it’s about 10 years since I got to watch Escaflowne in Japanese. The American staff and cast are so incredibly good that honestly, I was thinking, “Wow, when did Hitomi and Van learn English?” It didn’t feel strange at all to be listening to them in English, so I’m really grateful to the cast and to Sonny [Strait, ADR Director]. Thank you.

>>146140486
So we mentioned this is a classic anime and the art style is very nostalgic as well. It’s one that you don’t see very much anymore; it’s very iconic. I believe the director has a story behind why the characters look the way they do.

Akanae: So even in Japan, when it first came out, fans responded “why do they have such pointy noses? They all kind of look like Pinocchio…” I want to make sure you all understand that that’s not my preference. It was actually what the character designer Nobuteru Yuki came up with, and he came back to me with “Akane-san, I thought you liked shoujo manga. So I tried to make it look like shoujo manga characters.” And when I first got his designs for the characters, I said “Nooooo, I’m not stamping my approval on these. The noses are too long and too pointy.” But he said “Nooooo, I think this is good, I think we should go with this.” And of course, I got the feedback from Japanese fans, and I found out that American fans and other fans abroad were like “What’s up with the noses?” And finally after a certain amount of time, Yuki-said got back in touch with me and said “Oh, Akane-san, I apologize, I’m sorry… my bad.” It was about a year after the show wrapped that I got the apology.

But it wouldn’t be the same without those noses, right?

Akanae: I’ve kind of come around and started to feel that way.

>>146140518
>Since this is the first release of Escaflowne on Blu-ray in North America, coming this October, could you please give a message to the fans why they should be excited for Escaflowne?

Akane: So as I mentioned earlier, this [dub screening] is the first time in 10 years that I’ve seen this title, and I was just thinking “wow, this is a really interesting series.” So I think I can say with utmost confidence that I, and we, were able to deliver to you fans an English dub [for which] the only difference from the original Japanese version is that the language, that the sound is different, that the feel and the emotions that I felt are exactly the same as when I went through it the first time with the original. So I really hope that you can enjoy, and I really think that you can enjoy, this new product.

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>>146140486
>I was thinking, “Wow, when did Hitomi and Van learn English?”
Anti-dubfags BTFO

>>146129604
Japanese voice acting
>Dedicated audio studios
>Everyone important working on the anime is actually present during the voice acting sessions
>Voice actors putting in an effort because their fucking lives depend on it, otherwise they're going to have to work an office job that will kill them in 2 years

American voice acting
>Shitty audio studios, sometimes not even that
>Nobody important actually making the anime is present
>Voice actors don't give a shit about doing a good job and don't know the character because they've never talked to the creators of the anime/source material or done a screening process in order to get the role

>>146140736
Japanese game usually have better dubs.

>>146139130
The thing is most anime VA's don't do it as a career. They do it as a stepping stone. You get some guys who absolutely love what they do, like Crispin Freeman, but even then they have to move on at some point. Anyone who's actually REALLY good at voice work ends up doing Hollywood tier commercials and extras in major animation productions.

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>>146139756
>"Angel"
>that scene when Van´s parents met in that lake, under the moonlight

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Amo Van

What did she mean by this?

>>146140736
The third points on both sides are bullshit and you know it.

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Dubs never ever. They take some hobos from the street to do it for a pack of beer.
I had to sit through english dub once because Wild 7 doesn't have any release with subs or even raws.

>>146141314
Show me an English Dub where the voice actors actually care about the character and tries to make them sound like the Japanese voice. Because, I hope you know, that the anime producers and directors personally pick out the voice actors in order to make them fit the role.

In USA you have the same 5 people doing every voice and they don't give a shit if their performance is good or not, they get paid either way.

OOOOOOOOHOOOOH
OH BABY

The most important question is

German intro yes or no?

>>146141366
>Kekai Sensen
>Dimension W

These are the recent ones that I've watched.

I'm sure you already know of the ten popular dubs that everybody likes to mention in these arguments so I'll spare us.

I'm not saying dubs in general are great. There are still awful ones being shit out every year (Dagashi Kashi is complete diarrhea). But when you have one with passionate VAs and an ADR director that cares about the particular show a lot, it turns out pretty good.

>>146141366
Samurai Champloo
Cowboy bepop
The Slayers
Trigun
SpaceDandy
Hellsing Ultimate
Death Note

>>146140736
I'm not into dubs, but I the things I always notice are when I accidentally see a dub are;
>not a lot of voice actors; there are no more than 8 per series, and some voice a couple of characters in the background as well (I know that this happens in the original japanese anime as well, but it's much more noticeable in dubs)
>they treat it like a kiddie cartoon - the females sound like old hags acting like cute innocent 13 year olds, but failing badly...and the men..oh the men. Everybody speaks in the absolutely same "tough guy" voice, and they don't have as much passion in their voices as the japanese do.

Not every japanese female seiyuu's voice sounds like a kid - they have a large vocal range.

An example would be Itou Miki - she's 53 year old, and her vocal range (at least for me) is somewhat impressive. She can make the average girly teen voice, a cake voice, and a legitimately scary voice which can send chills down your spine.

Has /a/ always been this triggered when dubs are the main topic in a thread?

>>146141602
No.

Krauts get it sometimes though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJR86Zufxpw

>>146141801
Wow, that's actually pretty good.

>>146139897
That and her stupid hair cut. Still hate it to this day.

>>146129604
The difference between Japanese and American voice actors is that Japanese are passionate and have a big vocal range. Americans don't.

>>146141771
Oh, and forgot to add something.

Sometimes you can't even recognize her voice when she's working on another anime.

>>146141758
>Hellsing Ultimate
TeamFourStar is better. Just sayin'.

>>146129604
I prefer English myself (been watching anime since 1978) because printing words on the screen is no more 'pure' than dubbing.

I've never understood all the kids who came into this fandom over the years and still can't understand that.

And you guys think dubbing is bad? YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRPIOglFPis

>>146141854
There's plenty of good American voice acting, it's just not in dubbed anime. It's in Pixar movies, etc.

>>146128948
Celebrate what? There being an inferior version of an anime you like?

>>146138782
This shitty argument again.

NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhr-f5LTJPM

Why do dubbers love to say "you guys"? instead of just "guys"?

>>146142090
was supposed to be a reply to
>>146141927

>>146142115
>Simpsons is anime now

You really are grasping at straws aren't you.

>Japan
H-HAYAI

>USA
HOLY SMOKES EVERYONE, THAT GUY IS LIKE TOTALLY FAST!

>>146142287
it would be more accurate if it said

>HOLY SMOKES YOU GUYS, THAT GUY IS LIKE TOTALLY FAST!

>>146142302
Yeah probably.

>>146142287
What's this from?

>>146142660
Keitai

>>146133677
Pretty lousy pick. Even the old dub gave him a cool manly voice.

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>>146142707
Old dub had him voiced by the same VA as this guy

>>146139661
They included the old dub on there (they weren't originally but fans on Kickstarter made it clear they would revoke their money if they didn't).

>>146143650
Dubfags are the absolute worst.

>>146128948
I liked the English dub. Whenever I rewatch Escaflowne I alternate between sub and dub.

I don't want a new dub

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They don't make anime like this anymore. Makes me sad. Whenever we get some "boy/girl transported to fantasy world" now it's retarded weebshit like GATE and that other one where otaku goes there because the fantasy world loves anime/manga. Fucking stupid shit.

>>146143880
They really are. Honestly, if the Japanese release had subs, I'd buy that instead.

>>14614407
Sarcastic/Sitcom style humor's infiltrated even the Nips.

>>146144070
What was the last fantasy anime that felt like fantasy, with appropriate setting and characters not acting like romcom cliches?

>>146144398
Shingeki no Bahamut

Only good fantasy anime we've had in a long time

>>146144398
Zestiria

>>146144398
Rance

>>146128948
This is an amazing trailer and I could really see myself going for this. I have fond memories of the original english dub but having it available again and with the full episode count would be great.

Only problem is the $134 price tag, That shit is way too expensive and even if you buy them individually you still rack up a $90 price tag.

>>146128948
Reinhardt in anime?

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>>146139633
>I miss Medieval Mecha. When was the last time we got a good one?

It's not like there were a whole lot of them.

>>146138782

Nip VA isn't on the whole shitty but there are some real stinkers out there and there are some dubs superior to the original. If that notion triggers you, you need to see a doctor to cure your weeabooism.

>>146145920
The only dub I can think of that's superior to the original is Samurai Pizza Cats. Every other "good" dub is either on par of worse than the Japanese original.

>>146145999

Off the top of my head, Bebop. Key the Metal Idol. Golden Boy. Dirty Pair (at least the movies, anyway). FLCL (in my opinion anyway).

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>>146146133
>watching Golden Boy in anything but Japanese

>>146146133
>dirty pair
Why? Japanese VA did great job and nailed characters

>>146141366

>VAs prove they care about the characters by trying to imitate other peoples' performances

Do you really, seriously think an American voice actor should try to duplicate the exact delivery of a Japanese voice actor? Acting isn't doing an impression of somebody else.

>In USA you have the same 5 people doing every voice

True. Most voiceover in the US is commercial and industrial, and most animated productions hire celebrities as voice actors, so there's not enough money for a huge stable of dedicated VAs. Which leads to a smaller talent pool.

>Voice actors don't give a shit about doing a good job and don't know the character because they've never talked to the creators of the anime/source material or done a screening process in order to get the role

This part just proves you're talking out of your ass. Maybe this was true in earlier eras, but I've met plenty of VAs and a few people in production. Most of them are passionate people just trying to do a good job. You can hate dubs if you want, but stop spewing bullshit about the voiceover industry.

>>146146296

Doug Smith's manic Kintaro tops anything the nips put in that sub.

>AW, SHIT.

>>146146361

I found the dubs of The Movie/Project Eden and Flight 005 Conspiracy better than the subs. To be fair, the audio was pretty shitty on the version of 005 I watched, but Eden's Streamline dub, as shitty as Macek's work usually is, was tremendously entertaining and a good indicator of Wendee Lee's future career.

>>146142066
>Now cluck like a chicken
Unironically the best line in a hentai ever. \

>>146142964
Another great show.

>>146144398
Unfortunately the current trend in fantasy is more videogamey settings. Rules are more explicit, things are less mysterious, and instead of huge sweeping adventures the scope of the story are a little smaller. It's sad really. It feels like people don't have the same sense of adventure as they did in the past.

>>146142066

I go back and forth. I used to watch dubs exclusively because those VHSes were all Sam Goody and Best Buy carried, now I usually lean towards subs but enjoy watching certain things (usually manic comedies like Panty and Stocking or western-themed stuff like Black Lagoon or Michiko and Hatchin) in English.

>>146133677

Oh are you fucking kidding

He'd better take up smoking or something, how the fuck else is he going to have the presence and menace Folken does?

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>abandons wife and children to find a teenage girl from the Mystic Moon he saw for like ten seconds tops

Leon Schezar: a worse father than Genma Saotome

>>146146911
What about Gendo?

>>146146467
Eh well it is your opinion. I just cant stand dubs and dont really care about them.

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>>146139633
kinda

>>146149423

Nobody's worse than Gendo

>>146146911
This is a story about people who flee their responsibilities and those who face them.

>>146152309
Interesting. So flee is Leon, Folken, Hitomi (until she comes back), Millerna (when she chases Allen), Allen (when he bangs bitches left and right), Dryden (careless rich guy until he sobers up at the end). So far so good.

But we can also say Van faces his responsibilities from the start. Is he proven right in the end?

>>146149765
This was not very good aside from setting being kind of interesting and aesthetic of the mechs. It's like they wanted to make it as cliche and standard as possible but without any of execution to make it good.

>>146154623

I think so. Van's chose to let Hitomi return to her world shows that he's doing what's best. If anything, the ending sort of hinted that there's a possibility of the two reuniting.

>>146140736
I think all nips sound the same. English VA pool of people is super small so you keep hearing the same ones. Sometimes some sound like they're having fun and it can be enjoyable but 90% of the time it will be shit.

>>146144398
Xam'd has the fantasy world feel even if it's not all that good.

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>>146139756
>mfw when Dance of Curse played for the first time and it was in tune to with the visuals.

>>146154623
Most of the characters started by running away from them, then found the courage to face them. The only people who completely avoided taking responsibility were the villains, Dornkirk in particular. Everything he does is for is own selfish interest, even if he uses the excuse of the greater good, and in the end when the world goes to hell, he simply goes "it's fine too".

>there are people that defend dubs
>modern dubs even
I dont care anymore /a/ is becoming more and more of a shithole the more days pass and no one giving crossboarders the middlefinger anymore.

Enjoy your descent into being /b/ 4.0 or another subreddit like /v/.

>>146156552
This, every single word.

>>146156552
no, I actually only watch the dub when i watch the anime a second or 3rd time so this list is legit.

For Samurai Champloo, French's dub >>> Original dub.

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I'm actually really happy about this. Then again I'm an old fag who occasionally pines for the "good ol' days."

>>146156552

I've compared and contrasted dubs and subs side by side plenty of times, you clod.

Bebop's is better. Fits the setting better, Blum fits Spike better than Yamadera.

If enough people call you wrong, it might just be that you're wrong.

>>146158326
>Blum fits Spike better than Yamadera
When will this meme die?

>>146156411
To be fair, Folken pretty much cared for his two cat soldiers (and they for him), and Dilandau, while treating his soldiers like shit, was REALLY pissed / freaked out when they were killed.

>>146159909
Folken took responsibility for his shit when the cats died. Dornkirk never did. Dilandau died as a character after episode 14.

>>146142243
Sorry I was gone at class all day. Do you understand my argument at all?

That Simpson's dub IS SHIT. You just don't understand when Japanese dubs are fucking garbage because you don't speak Japanese. The only way to show you how Japanese dubs can be as god fucking awful as you think all English ones are is to show you something which you're accustomed to in English.

Japanese voice acting is no better than English.

>>146158909
I'd rather have a voice that fits a character or a story better. Not that anon but bebop English VA still trumps Japanese VA.

>>146141602
PEOPLE
AROUND ME

>>146128948

Ah when animators were actually good and didn't rely on computers. This, kids, is what anime is supposed to look like.

>>146161406
>That Simpson's dub IS SHIT. You just don't understand when Japanese dubs are fucking garbage because you don't speak Japanese
Nice contradiction.

>>146163505
Not him but how's that a contradiction?

>>146141602
German intro all the way.

>>146141602
German intro best intro.

All I really remember is watching it on fox saturday mornings like 20 years ago and they quit airing it before it was done.

>>146165762

LOL yeah. With that shitty gospel-like opening and starting on episode 2 instead of 1. A sure way to can a series. Balgus was a fucking beast, though.

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>>146139756

Why is Gloria the only one that ever gets blocked?

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>>146128948
This sounds amazing, i'm gonna get this for sure.

>>146141602
It's not bad but I like the original because bagpipes.

>>146140518
Respect the nose.

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>>146168416

Kinda wish the movie would get another remaster. Or maybe I just need to find a better release. But still, it was like a 2008 remaster, so something done now would be done better.

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>>146138348
It's one of the few fantasy anime that felt like there was a fleshed out and diverse world. There's just enough in there to pique your interest, but not too much that it bogs down the story. Also, Basram is the GOAT Gaian nation.

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>>146141112
Absolutely my favourite romantic scene in anime
>>146139756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4voCpZvY4XU

Speaking of OSTs, when the last time an anime has had a good ending score?
>>146145881
That game was fun and all the alternate stories and ending made it super replayable. I should dust it off and give it another whirl.
>>146169613
Too bad the film's story was weak. The animation and music was glorious though.

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I only watched the movie. Do I have to watch the TV show to get the full experience?

>>146170725
No, the movie's a completely different interpretation.

Only thing I remember about this show is when the guy dies from the shard of his sword. I guess I could watch it again and see if there was more to it but I'd rather still just wonder wtf

>>146170725
No, but you're kind of an idiot. The series itself is pretty good, and the movie benefits quite a bit from the context that the series gives you.

>>146170832
Watch it again. It makes sense in the context of the series.

Anyone remember Candidate for Goddess?
What was that shit all about?

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ITT: The villain of the series.

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>>146133941

>rick and morty in japanese is pretty fucking hilarious

>look it up on youtube
>Japanese Rick singing Sweet Home Alabama

My sides are fucking destroyed. I never knew I wanted this.

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>Monica Rial

Why does she always do the same voice? She has decent range.