Naruto would be a great anime if it was called "Rock Lee."

Fake and gay

>Naruto would be a great anime
Or manga. Either.

>>146117096
(cont'd)
I mean, Naruto's character was basically the same story at the very beginning of the manga, but that was quickly changed with his fox demon asspulls and shadow clones. He was still weaker than Lee, but that hardly fucking lasted.

>>146117096
>>146117281
tldr; shikamaru and rock lee are better protagonists than sasuke and naruto and 10000% more interesting

>>146117096
It could be interesting but chances are he'd get stomped all the time so it shouldn't be in a setting where all combat is to the death.

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Literally Kaiji if you replace fighting with betting.

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>>146117096
>Tenten
Pretty much the only reason i'd watch that show.

>Tenten is the only one who doesn't drag us into that
Anon...

>>146117314
Shikamaru should have his own manga.

Naruto would be great if not for the nine-tailed fox. Imagine if Naruto couldn't deus ex machina his way out of everything

>>146117821
I'll check it out, sounds fun.

>>146117736
Potentially. I feel like it'd be a lot less often than Naruto gets stomped, though.

>>146118007
The romance in Naruto is SUPER overwhelming, though, for a shounen manga about fucking ninjas.

>>146118094
It would be GOOD without the fox.
It's only "decent, I guess," as stands.

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>>146118138
>for a shounen manga about fucking ninjas
Magicians.

Naruto is as much of a ninja as Luffy is a pirate.

>>146118268
>Naruto is as much of a ninja as Luffy is a pirate.
I'd argue that Luffy is more of a pirate.
He beats up marines and does what he wants on a boat.
Naruto is loud and obnoxious and shitty at fighting.

rock lee vs gaara was the best fight in naruto

prove me wrong

>>146118481
>prove me wrong
nobody disagrees

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But who would be the main antagonist and what would be his twisted plans about?

>>146118596
You could keep the current ones, probably. Maybe add some more and make Akatsuki less important.

>>146118596
That one Hokage who stole all the Uchia eyeballs.

>>146118815
from Hunter X Hunter?

>>146117096
Neji wouldn't be a protag?

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>>146118792
It'd would probably need a big villain to push Lee into dangerous conflicts and make him face combat he wouldn't otherwise.
Kinda like Orochimaru pushed Naruto by luring Sasuke.

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I don't care what anyone says, Naruto was the best thing to come out of Japan since the N64. Kishi put out the best art in Shonen Jump history on a weekly basis and a better story than monthly mangaka authors. It was original, unpredictable until the end (as in, it became more predictable once people starting to hover), and inventive with its use of cultural idiosyncrasies. The only thing I didn't like about it was Killer Bee. The story went down any chapters that he was in.

My favorite arc was the Pain arc. The way it resolved Naruto's greatest plotline about love conquering over war, by demonstrating it, and subsequently the fruits of peace when Pain used his (plot-backed) Rikudo Rebirth jutsu to revive the village that he had just assaulted; which Naruto still remembers when Obito uses it and is why he doesn't try to stop Madara with Sasuke (that's what you call A-Grade detail). It all came together perfectly.

I especially like how it comes right after the Shikamaru Revenge and Sasuke-Itachi arcs, to kind of contrast how Naruto is different from other ninjas. I like how at the very beginning Naruto's the same. I like how their first mission took them to a country where ninjas don't exist because the ocean offers natural protection. I like how Shikamaru's dad's death and the Chakra Tree happen exactly 400 chapters from the moment when he and him are playing chess and he tells Shikamaru he will one day learn who the "King" is.

Art - 10/10
World-building - 10/10
Story - 9/10
Lore - 8/10
Pottery - 1000000000000/10

You couldn't out-write Kishi if you had a lifetime to do it. Believe it.

>>146119029
Oh yeah, I forgot to add the allusion to the Chakra Tree. Right after the scene with Shikamaru and his dad, it cuts to a big tree showing the forest setting where the showdown with Karasu and Hidan eventually takes place. And get it, 400 chapters, because "4" is synonymous with death in Japan?

>>146119029
stop shitposting

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>Tenten getting captured and joining Madara's sex dungeon

>>146119334
After you

>>146119029
>art more than 4/10
>world building more than 6/10
>story more than 3/10
>lore more than 6/10
you have to go back

>>146119563
Kishi's art is 10/10. Can you draw 20 pages and an opening spread, and a cover for any given manga/novel or video game accessory as needed on a WEEKLY BASIS WITH ONLY A SINGLE WEEK BREAK EVERY YEAR FOR 700 CHAPTERS?

CAN YOU? I'm struggling to see someone of your talent browsing this site and giving Kishi only a 4/10 if you can.

And it still wins in pottery even if you think that lowly of the rest.

fuck off narutards

He was a 10/10 shounen protag his backstory had me in tears back when I watched it, he deserved the spin off.
OG naruto was pretty great in it's own right and only ate shit when the focus was on Sasuke.

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>>146117096
>Rock Lee will never be relevant again

>>146118481
Literally everyone agrees.

That being said, second best fight? I would argue Shikamaru vs Temari for being an actual NINJA fight.

Honorary mention to that one fight between Danzo's Yamanaka subordinate and the guy from the mist. That 10 second fight was probably the best of the entire last half of Shippuden.

We've heard you out. Now, let's show you out. Get out.

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I love Tenten fighting style, such a shame everybody uses shitty overpowered magic

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>>146117096
>Naruto would be a great anime if it was called "Rock Lee."
This already exists.

>>146119563

>world building being that high

We didn't get shit about the other two clans until AFTER the Pain fight, which was past the halfway mark.

Gaara vs Rock Lee was the best pre-time skip fight and Sage Naruto vs. Pain was probably the best fight and should have ended the series before we got chakra rabbit and crap.

>>146122557
Too bad all that was filler and her fight was off screen in the manga.

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I am very much pro Ten^2 getting some much needed respect

>>146118481
I've yet to meet anyone who disagrees.

>>146117096

You should read the LN of Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan (don't read the anime because it's a bad adaptation)

>>146124971
might check it out
not super into light novels
thanks for the recommendation though

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>implying rock lee is good
shove off landlubber

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>>146125227
cuck off sea urchin

One issue I see in particular is the matter of how ridiculous his training has to be regarding Naruto villains. He'd have to get absurdly powerful to justify his ability to put up a fight with most other characters, and that would require lots of explaining to do. He'd more or less become Goku, spending all of his time training with all sorts of methods and under a bunch of mentors to become capable of putting up a fight with them.

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>Tenten is given attention
Yes

>>146122774
/thread

>back in part one naruto was about hard work
>kishi introduces the Child of Destiny bullshit

So just read black clover. Inferior ass protagonist who relies on physical attacks and athleticism while everyone else has OP magic. He even has a genius rival to compete with

>>146125716
This is why I say Naruto without Karuma would actually be pretty good. Imagine the struggles Naruto has, being ALWAYS overshadowed by Sasuke. Not being able to save anyone. Trying to keep his ninja path while being just an average ninja.

My money is on he dies.

>>146117096
are you describing Hajime no Ippo?

While I didn't hate them and perfectly understood their status as fan favorites, I never particularly cared for Rock Lee, outside of his fights, and Shikamaru. Either one or more aspects of appearance, personality, goals, special ability/fighting style, and role within the story didn't fit my tastes or hindered the narrative.

Eh, the story would basically be identical. Naruto thrived on its large cast. Rearranging that cast still leaves the same group.

>>146117096

It doesn't matter which underdog character you make your protagonist in Naruto, the story wouldn't change.

The original underdog premise existed because when Kishimoto first started Naruto, he was a no name author who was rejected by women and potentially destined for failure. When Naruto made it big, Kishimoto got mad rich. Suddenly, all the women began to pay attention to him, he got laid, he was no longer the underdog.

Thus, Naruto went from "I make my own luck," to "Luck is made for me, because prophecy."

>>146125937
I actually really loved the fact that he was demonized but learned to overcome the monster inside him and gain the admiration and respect of his peers. I also like that he worked hard to get far but when all he does is spam the same two techniques, shit gets lame as fuck.

>>146126169
but that's the point

>>146117096
Wouldn't work. They would run out of things to do since Rock doesn't have anything special in him. It would make a decent one season show at best, assuming it's an action show and not a comedy.

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>yfw Gai-sensei didn't die

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>>146126374

>last chapter literally had him saying "The springtime of youth is finally over"

I'll never forgive you, Kishi.

>>146119394
Sauce pls

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>>146126374
>yfw Anko is fat

>>146126303
>Wouldn't work. They would run out of things to do since Rock doesn't have anything special in him.

This is super wrong. That's exactly why it would be interesting. His fights would actually have to be thought-out instead of just "I will use my asspulley technique that i didn't open with because i'm stupid and Naruto and beat you in one hit"

>>146126056
They can sync up better, though. The protagonist trio in Naruto were the three most annoying, shitty characters in the entire series.

Rock Lee's personality can get a little annoying, but he fits better with these three than Naruto ever would with his team.

>>146125599
I'd think it'd be more or less banking on Rock Lee's already mostly-developed fighting sense and speed and Shikamaru to figure out what the enemy's weaknesses are. Might get repetitive, but at least it's not super OP magic that Kills you in One Hit, spamming the same attack, or constant sharingan bullshit.

Naruto's current issues are already worse than the problems it brings up.

>>146122774
but this is hot garbage

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>>146126742
She was always stuffing her face. And I still would.

>>146126864
>>146126742

I guess it's better than laying dead in a cave but still

wew this thread

If only the author knew anything at all about martial arts

>>146118481
I would like sasuke vs diedara more if it wasent fir that boss summoning asspull

>>146117096
I see.... maybe we just hated Naruto because of Naruto.

The other characters were more then fine.

MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE NARUTO BUT JUST LIKED THE OTHER CHARACTERS I SEE

>>146118815
Danzo? He might be a massive dick, but he does everything for Konoha. He was trained by Tobirama "Uchiha are Niggers" Senju, which explains why he didn't trust the Uchiha in the slightest.

>>146120736
You talking about Fu vs Tobi? That actually a pretty nice fight, I liked how Danzo's guards actually figured out Tobi's intangibility during the fight and actually damaged him. If Tobi couldn't switch out arms as he pleases, he would have died.

How to fix Naruto

>Make Saskue a girl
>Make Sakura a guy
>Make Orochimaru the endgame boss
>Dont let the Sound Ninjas die like chumps, let them be a matchup to Team 7 with a mutual enemy
>less wizard shit and more ninja tactics

>>146133950
>>Make Orochimaru the endgame boss

For how much of a fuss they made of him early on it was really a buzzkill how he just got the boot for those other assholes

>>146117096
If rock lee was the MC then Kishi would have ruin him too
The problem wasn't Naruto, it was the author
People always say support characters are better than the main cast
It's wrong
They just don't have the same exposure to the shitty writing of the author that's all

Kyubi was an interesting plot point at the beginning of the serie, now is just a big ball of fur in need of hug cause of some step daddy issue, because the author suck penisu on regular basis