Current Vegeta and Goku use the Potara earrings and become Vegetto

Easilly assuming they get an equivalent powerup like last time

>>145983369
Yes, if they work together now they could probably beat him or they could just kill Supreme Kai and Old Kai if push comes to shove.

>>145983433
This whole 'Beerus is linked to the Supreme Kai' thing is the dumbest shit, within seconds of reading it you can come up with about 100 reasons why Beerus dying when the supreme Kai dies is retarded, not to mention he already died on-screen and Beerus is still alive.

But Beerus as a character doesn't make sense any way, he's like 20 orders of magnitude stronger than anyone else in the series and apparently everyone knew him from the get-go, but decided never to mention him.

I do think it's pretty likely. It would never happen though because Vegeta isn't willing and at this point Goku probably isn't either.

>>145983559

Well, that's going to happen when you retroactively add a character to 30 years of canon.

Goku could solo Beerus if he trained for a bit in god mode in the time chamber.

>>145983811
He should've made it like Buu, having been in hibernation for millions of years so no one was aware of him.
Making Vegeta know him was especially retarded, what, the guy who wouldn't believe frieza's second form had a power level of 1,000,000 (With his final form being over 100,000,000) knew the guy who's power level should be in the quintillions?

>>145984029
To be fair, nobody can tell how powerful Beerus is.

>>145983811
Battle of Gods was originally about an evil lizard god who turned the Saiyan race evil before Toriyama changed everything.

>>145984029

What makes me more mad about Beerus and Whis is less about inserting them into the existing canon, and more about how it completely dispells any sort of perceived tension in the series.

Beerus might not necessarily be a "good guy" in the traditional sense, but you can bet he'll always side with Goku just because he doesn't want his tasty Earth treats to be destroyed. Plus, Goku is his universe's prized fighter.

What's more, with Goku obviously going to be becoming friends with Xeno--a literal Universe buster--what threat can any sort of bad guy make with Xeno, Beerus, and an entire hierarchy of Gods spanning multiple universes on his side?

All of the threats in Super have feel largely flaccid so far. Like, there's really no point. So far, everyone except Black has basically just been a new sparring buddy to Goku.

There's no desperation or "we're all that stands between this guy, and the destruction of the world" anymore.

>>145984290
It is because there won't be any new enemy that threat the world again. Black is the last one since Toriyama said his arc is going to even involved Zeno.after this is the multivariate arc and bam the end. There won't be any new villain to threat the earth again.

>>145984433
>multivariate
*multiverse tournament

>>145984158
He's atleast a full order of magnitude stronger than SSJ3, which is an order of magnitude above SSJ2, which is an order of magnitude above Perfect Cell, who completely trounced a full power SSJ1 without using his entire power level, and SSJ1 fucked up Frieza who was fucking up Goku using x20 Kaioken

I also don't like introducing shitlords like 'Hit' who are apparently also as strong as Gods? Where are all these random fighters popping out of the woodwork from? And each of them is hundreds of times more powerful than the 3rd form of a legendary transformation that could beat down the ruler of the universe.

>>145984433

It doesn't even matter if there is or isn't another guy who pops up and threatens the world.

Just the notion that there are universe-busters now means someone who is on somewhat equal levels with Goku and/or Vegeta is kind of a laugh.

>>145984725
Yes, WE know that. But remember, nobody in-universe can sense his ki.

>>145984761
They're so inconsistent with universe-busting power levels.

At one point a single punch exchanged between Goku and Beerus threatened to shatter reality, vaporising entire planets with just the shockwave.
Now they transform into god form and have fun little sparring matches with literally no consequences, punching SSJ2 Trunks just knocked him over, even though the power difference between SSJ2 and SSB is more than the difference between SSJ Goku punching a regular human at full force.

>>145983369
Pretty sure they can take on Whis in that form

>>145984889
Yes, but Frieza, who knew his own power level, was afraid of him. While we're on the subject, apparently Frieza also knew about Majin Buu? What the fuck? I thought he'd been asleep for millions of years? Frieza didn't even know about the Kai's or general above-universe systems like that, and the supreme Kai claimed he was 1000x stronger than Frieza, even though he was apparently also a bitch who could get completely stomped by DABURA

>>145984945
Goku SSB using Kaioken x10 should be able to take on Whis really. SSB is meant to be as strong as SSG, which forced Beerus to use '80% of his power', and Whis doesn't seem more than 10x as strong as Beerus, that'd be unreasonably strong.

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>>145983369
>>145983432
>>145983433
>>145983584
>>145984945
But can he beat Saitama?

>>145983559
When did supreme Kai die?

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>>145985165
he gave his life to revive goku

although that brings a whole new host of questions, such as when beerus dies does he get a halo and have to be re-killed in the other world? did Black have to kill the ghost forms of the kais? why didnt dead future goku and co defend them, etc etc.

>>145984433
please
now that it is known how to kill beerus it would be awesome if someoene killed beerus and champa without anyone knowing about it, got the super dragonballs and wished for something that makes him powerul
so he tries to become the new ruler of universe 6 and 7

>>145985258
also i am aware that young supreme kai was technically alive in the form of his permanent fusion with kibito.. which also brings up if 'kibito' dies would beerus have died? what about in the world tournament when goku was leveling a blast at young supreme kais head, why didnt beerus/whis jump in to make sure he didnt die

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>>145985067
toriyama said ssj god (red) goku was a 6, beerus a 9 and whis a 15 on a power scale.
ssj blue only seems alittle bit stronger then red.
and beerus was only using 70% of his power (although i think super retconned that)

>>145984973
Dabura could body Freeza in an instant. He's at least 4 or 5 times stronger than final form Freeza from Namek, based on feats alone. SSJ1 after training for 3 years couldn't touch Androids 17 and 18, Perfect Cell was way above them and Dabura was on par with Perfect Cell.

So yeah, he was obviously exaggerating for dramatic effect, but I can believe Supreme Kai could beat Freeza in a fight, probably faster and easier than Goku did at the time.

>>145985477
That'd still put SSB Goku using Kaioken so far above Beerus he should be able to completely stomp him.

I'm inclined to believe the original scale mentioned by Toriyama (noted in the thread) must have been retconned by now

It's evident that even a SSJB can't lay a finger on Beerus, but the anime only 10x Kaio Ken has muffed up the scaling pretty badly

How much stronger are Goku and Vegeta after training together for 3 years? The leaps made in the HTC previously suggest that they must have made enormous gains in power - does the scale keep this in consideration?

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>>145985645
The scale is fucked beyond recognition. According to this image if Supreme Kai is 1000x stronger than Frieza, he'd also be about 50x stronger than SSJ3 Goku

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this is your daily reminder that ssj gogeta has 1/10th the power of ssj3 goku, even though he fucked janemba up where ssj3 goku couldnt do shit

even official sources cant keep power levels in the right orders of magnitude

>>145985738
>taking the Supreme Cuck at his word

He was just talking shit, remember how fucking cocky he was before he realized he was a small fry among true motherfuckers.

>>145985258
>why didnt dead future goku and co defend them, etc etc.

Well, Goku died of the heart disease in that timeline, and death by natural cause means you lose your body.

>>145985477
this is all incredibly retconned. SSG is nowhere near as strong as beerus in actuality. SSB Kaio-ken x10 Goku would probably give beerus a decent fight and still lose.

>>145985933
i don't remember anyone ever saying that, all i remember is that anyone who was 'heroic' got to keep their body.

but i do believe you, however that still leaves every other Z-fighter who got bodied by androids, and even (by that point) SSJ future gohan

i suppose vegeta would probably be in hell.

No, because Toriyama would just retcon Beerus' strength yet again.

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>>145985999
ah classic toei and toriyama, stating something and then changing it a week later

>>145985477
i think beerus lied so goku would keep training

beerus' strength hasn't been retconned that much, remember whis stated that SSB goku + vegeta could probably beat beerus if they teamed up, and fusion multiplies their powers together rather than adding them, so at this point gogeta/vegito would find beerus to be an easy kill

>>145985258
the dead can't go to earth, they need baba so that is probably why

>>145985885
>power levels
you disgust me

gogeta ssj is stronger than ssj3 goku
beating the ultimate enemy with one big move easily, not even exausted

>>145986135
beerus isnt dead though, he can go to earth whenever he wants.

unless you mean why didnt the others defend supreme kai from black, in which case that wouldn't have happened on earth would it? black would've had to have gone to the kai world to kill supreme kai

>>145986100
the fusion multiplies thing is also a meme. it was just wording to show how much more powerful fusion made you, but clearly for example Gotenks is not as strong as Trunks x Goten. He also never said they could beat him, he kinda said they might be able to, but that's 2v1 which isn't like combining their powers (ex, Goku + Piccolo beating Raditz). SSB Kaioken x 10 would probably (from what we've seen based on reactions and the like, and Goku saying he was saving it for Beerus) be marginally stronger than Beerus but it lowers in strength as he uses it. I imagine it'd be similar to Golden Freeza vs SSB, stronger at first but weaker by the end of it.

>>145986220
I thought Gotenks seemed easily as strong as Trunks x Goten to be honest, they were both SSJ1 toddlers and the fusion brought them up to SSJ3 and let them dominate Super Buu

>SSB Kaioken x10
>canon
not to mention the anime even mentioned he won't use it again
toei have no shame

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>>145986171
beerus tends to sleep a lot. future beerus could have been sleeping when his supreme kai got killed

>>145986007
>however that still leaves every other Z-fighter who got bodied by androids,

To be totally fair, we're talking early Cell-arc characters....who are not Saiyans....trying to fight Black..

He probably would have sent a kai-ball the size of a speck of dust in their direction and he would have never even known they were there.

>>145983559
>>145983433
Wait, Beerus and the Supreme Kai are linked? When did we hear this?

>>145986313
must be some yin yang bullshit
>one needs creation to have destruction

>>145986261
Buu was playing with them actually, killing time until Gohan showed up.
Also the only reason Gotenks was strong was because of the SSJ3. Compare the outcomes of base Gotenks vs Fat Buu and base Vegito vs Super Buu.

>>145986311
Is Black really that strong? He got rekt by ssj2 Goku, and that's after gaining whatever power ups he would've got from all the combat in the future.

>>145983559
It's not like he'd be relevant before now, plus he was asleep.

No reason to mention someone irrelevant to the current events.

>>145986313
It's from an upcoming manga

>>145985124
According to that fananime, probably not

>>145986379
Don't underestimate the power of pink anon

>>145986261
That's an additional transformation that was made available by their power increase, so I believe it doesn't even count to the power increase itself. But even then, SSJ3 is less than 10x as strong as SSJ, Trunks x Goten just seems ridiculous to me. SSJ x SSJ = SSJ3? I don't think so, especially since SSJ is supposedly 50x base (i mean the multipliers are a bit memeish as well because im feeling confident that they are less than that for Goku and Vegeta at this point). 50x base x 50x base is 2500x, whereas SSJ3 is like 400x or so. I don't think their powers were multiplied.

>>145986261
>>145986373
Fusion dance is X + Y

Potara is X x Y

>>145985124
No since Saitama's gag is that he beats everyone with one punch
not hard to understand

I remember King Kai pissing himself over the Saiyans early on, who had powerlevels of about 10,000, yet he knew his superior Kai's and Beerus who would've all had powerlevels in the billions

is vegito stronger than gogeta?

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>>145986379
He'll just power up to be as strong as needed. He will become a rose after all.

>>145986415
no one can beat saitama, thats the point of his character really.

>>145986473
pissing himself for ningen who had those powerlevels

>>145986379

Yeah, but we are essentially talking about him fighting early Cell-arc Tien, Yamcha, Chaotzu, and maybe some others like Yajirobi.

Goku assumedly would have lost his body, Vegeta may or may not have even been there, and would Gohan have even been around?

>>145986473
Yeah but those guys don't (or at least aren't supposed to) get involved in mortal affairs.

>>145986445
>SSJ3 is less than 10x as strong as SSJ

No.

>>145986459
>Fusion dance is X + Y

Then why did Trunks & Goten's fusion dance become so powerful? Why is Gogeta so powerful?

>>145986459
again i think that this "multiplication" thing is a bit exaggerated

>>145986527
Future Gohan would've been there for over 10 years by that point, and future Gohan trains.

>>145986462
>>145986506
King beats him all the time

>>145986555
from the fusion dance magic
powerlevels didn't give them ghosts or the ability to scream into dimensions

>>145986459
If power levels make sense just in the very slightest, it can't ever be multiplication. Buu saga fusions involved power levels in the billions would suddenly have characters with power levels of 1e18. It's just too much. Having a power level 2x your opponent is already enough to slap their shit.

>>145986555
yes. SSJ2 is listed as 2x SSJ and SSJ3 is listed as 4x SSJ2

>>145986459

Potara is more like X ^ Y. Fusion would be X x Y.

>>145986633
Bull. SSJ1 Goku got completely dominated by Perfect Cell without using anywhere near his full power, but SSJ2 Gohan could beat Super Perfect Cell with one arm

>>145986617
yeah, this. its just impossible

power levels stopped being referenced after freeza

>>145986659
>X^Y
ayy, farmer/farmer fusion on par with SSJ2

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>>145986659
>X ^ Y

You know how big the numbers would get with that? Even the Supreme Kai fusing would already be stronger than everyone.

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>>145983369
Pretty sure he could.

Vegetto wasn't simply Goku and Vegeta's strenght added in one vessel, it somehow multiplied to countless many times.

Considering SSJGSSJ is a form beyond SSJ2, SSJ3 and SSJG, where Vegetto originally only boasted a SSJ2 form, it seems pretty damn sure a SSJGSSJ Vegetto would be ridiculously beyond many beings in all of the multiverse

>>145986762

There's probably a negative modifier in there if you aren't fuckbuddy rivals.

something like X ↑↑↑ Y seems more accurate

>>145986740
you made me chuckle so hard
but 5^5 is 3125
about 3 times as strong as raditz

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>>145986849
Stop it

>>145986762
Sadly that's how pls work

>>145986659
>x^y
>goku SSJ in freeza arc is 150m
ssj^ssj (weak ass ssjs too) would be in comprehensibly large you moron. even base goku at the time was 3m, 3m^3m (assuming someone equal in strength) is an insanely, impossibly large number. Even say, a regular person with PL of 10 with another person with PL of 10, 10^10 portarad would have a power level of 10,000,000,000, meaning they would absolutely fucking destroy super buuhan. two regular people portarad.

yeah, youre an idiot

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>>145986799
vegetto only ever used super saiyan in the manga and anime.
i don't get where people get this idea that he used super saiyan 2 at all in his fight with buuhan

>>145986860
Right, I was using a power level of 10. Just assume they're buff

>>145986373
>and base Vegito vs Super Buu.
Where he was playing with him? Vegitto only went super sayan because he wanted.

That's filler anyways, in the manga Vegetto debuts being Super Sayan right away.

>>145986667
yeah, have you watched DBZ? if your power level is marginally better than someone else's, you can kick their ass. remember vegeta vs zarbon?

What is the best release for Dragon Ball Z (not DBZ Kai) if I plan on buying it?

>>145986883
>i don't get where people get this idea that he used super saiyan 2 at all in his fight with buuhan
Lightning sparkles? Base SSJ doesn't have that.

>>145986883
maybe the lightning?the only indicator of ssj2
https://youtu.be/eWcXkRJ6Fms?t=50s

>>145986917
Yet Namek era Vegeta/Gohan could hold off 2nd form Frieza with a power level of 1,000,000

>>145986911
>Where he was playing with him?
That's the point. Meanwhile base Gotenks got #BTFO by Fat Buu. I was using it as an example showing how Gotenks wasn't impressive at all without SSJ3.

>>145986973
because the shit is inconsistent as fuck

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>>145986964
every powerfull character had lightning Sparks.
vegetto going ssj was already stronger then buuhan.
ssj2 would have been overkill.

and he only had the Sparks when he first transformed. no Sparks at all during the remainder of the fight

So Beerus automatically dies if all the Kais are killed?

>>145987302
>every powerfull character had lightning Sparks.
Broly didn't.
Buu didn't.

Super Perfect Cell did exactly because he coming back was a parallel to Sayans getting a power up when the recover from certain death, Cell then was almost a SSJ2.

>>145987547
Saiyan Saga Vegeta already had electricity when charging up his Galick Gun. Electricity is more a sign of instability than power or a specific transformation

>>145987865
That instability or discharge of energy is especially present in SSJ2 and SSJ3 though

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>>145987547
broly had his green aura and ki bubble/circle around him
buu had the smoke

and the anime clip posted already showed lightning Sparks around vegetto while in base form

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>>145983369
Is there a even character that’s close to being as perfect as Cell? Let alone be him. And I'm not talking about Perfect Cell. I'm not talking about Super Perfect either. Hell, I'm not even talking about SSGSS Golden Cell. I’m also not talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus & Whis' DNA. I'm definitely NOT Talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champa & Vados' DNA after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor. I'm talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with an infinite number of SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champam, Vados, Madara Uchiha & Ultimate Kars' DNA to obtain Requiem versions of every Stand (including but not limited to Gold Experience Requiem, Made in Heaven Requiem, The World Over Heaven Requiem & D4C Requiem) after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor as he pilots Elder Demonbane with Cosmic Armor, Power Cosmic, and Omega effect, the Anti-Life Equation also flowing through his veins, while he does 101 Push-ups, 101 Sit-ups, 101 Squats, 11 km run per day for over 4 months inside the sun after ingesting Kryptonian DNA (to somehow obtain infinite power from a finite source) after consuming Popeye's Spinach while riding the writer's cock to battle.

Can Black take on Gold Freeza?

>>145983369
Beerus? Maybe (and that's a long shot)
Whis? No.

Even if Goku pulls his Kaioken x10, Beerus would still be somewhat more powerful than him.

>>145989017
How about SSB2?

>>145985885
>anime
>official sources
heh

>>145989198
Based on SSJ2, SSJB2 would simply increase the output by a factor of 2.

>>145985885
Power level bullshit aside, Gogeta is one of my favorite character design. I drew him a lot (along with Hulked Trunks) when I was in middle school

>>145988708
But it no longer defines SSJ2 or SSJ3. When Vegito went SSJ1, his power must've been so high that it already was unstable

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>>145988795
sup bitch, i just erased you from existence

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>>145989598
and yet he isn't canon.
hell even if there is a slim chance of goku and vegeta ever fusing in db super it will either be vegetto or if they do the dance the result might look different then the movie 12 version

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>>145988795
>145988795

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>>145990216
>fingers not touching

>>145989808
>Requiem versions of every Stand (including but not limited to Gold Experience Requiem, Made in Heaven Requiem, The World Over Heaven Requiem & D4C Requiem) after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor as he pilots Elder Demonbane with Cosmic Armor, Power Cosmic, and Omega effect, the Anti-Life Equation also flowing through his veins, while he does 101 Push-ups, 101 Sit-ups, 101 Squats, 11 km run per day for over 4 months inside the sun after ingesting Kryptonian DNA (to somehow obtain infinite power from a finite source) after consuming Popeye's Spinach while riding the writer's cock to battle.

>>145990216
They fucked that fusion up. They're going to spent the next few minutes weak.

>>145983559
This! Also, even when Beerus would die, so fucking what? He would just get a halo and could keep doing his stuff, it's not like death has any real meaning in Dragonball anymore.

>>145986313
manga

>>145989285
>Dragonball Damashii
>Anime
>Not an official source

Fuckin' come on then you pussy boy??

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>>145991047

Apparently you could kill his soul. Goku did warn Vegeta to be careful not to die again when when he fought Kid buu

Ssj blue goku should be able to beat beerus with ease now. Hit and Goku are stronger than beerus.

>>145984973
Frieze just knew from his father to never pick a fight with Beerus or Majin Buu, I thought? He wouldn't even know if Beerus had a "power level" at all.

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>>145990476
zeno could blink him out of existence

>>145989464
Rather, increase the output at least by a factor of 2.

Vegeta could only go to SSJ2 and he did better against beerus than Goku at SSJ3

>>145986617
>2x
Less. Way less. Vegeta was 18k to Goku's KK'd 16k, and he was visibly dominating back in Saiyan saga. 2x is massively over the top.

>>145985124
Of course Saitama's feats suck compared to Goku.

Who playing Fusions here?

Just nabbed Nuova Shenron from a rift.

>>145985738
Two farmers could take on goku in the beginning.

Beerus only exists for shitty humor and for Goku to have a goal post. The piece of shit's never going to actually have another fight

>>145993239
He's going to fight in the Multiverse Tournament, mark my words.

>>145993374
Doubt it. They'll bullshit up some reason for him not to and then he'll just sit in the background so he can say he's still much stronger than Goku if Goku does anything impressive

>>145993495
He's going to fight, and he's going to fight Goku in the quarter-finals, and lose to him not by being overpowered but by Goku being a clever fighter and ringing him out.

Vegeta will be his semi-final opponent and the finals will be against the newest villain who defeated Hit in the previous round.

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Why didn't he just kill the Saiyans off himself? Why did he send Frieza to do it?

>>145993754
He's lazy.

>>145993777
If Frieza didn't do it then Beerus was most likely going to kill him. He was going to get up and go regardless.

>>145993754
Because he didn't exist when that plot point was made, so they had to messily force Beerus into the continuity

>>145993849
Still sounds lazy. Plan A is shunt the work onto somebody else. Only Plan B is to do his job.

>>145993914
Yeah, I agree. That fucks up the lore. That means Frieza killed the saiyans merely to save his own life. But he did enjoy it. My point is that the true villain here is Beerus but it seems they'll never touch up on that. It gives a different look to Frieza.

Would've been a great idea if Golden Frieza exposed Beerus orders to SSB Goku and they somehow team up to kill Beerus.

>>145983559
Why didn't Supreme Kai ask Beerus to kill Majin Buu if nobody else could at the time?

>>145994462
>>145993914

>>145994634
So, plot holes?

Imagine if the red patrol added beerus or whiss DNA into CELL!!

>>145995314
RED RIBBON*

>super
>canon
heh

>>145994958
Plot holes indeed

new episode today?

>>145996422
yes

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>>145996487
I will be the first to complain about it when it airs.

>>145983369
if I find out I'm probably going to shoot myself in the face

>>145985738
You're an idiot.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/fake/

>>145986093
He's been pulling this shit since Slump, why are you surprised?

>>145985477
>>145985999
>>145986093
>being this retarded
>brolyfag
Well that explains it.

>toriyama said ssj god (red) goku was a 6, beerus a 9 and whis a 15 on a power scale.
These numbers are something that Toriyama threw out there not something to be taken so seriously.

>and beerus was only using 70% of his power (although i think super retconned that)
Stop being retarded the movies were written by Toriyama directly they are canon over DBS retellings.

>SSB Kaio-ken x10
Was not apart of Toriyama outline hence why the manga didn't have it. That was Toei's doing.

>>145983369
Yes. By killing Kaioshin

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>>145983369
No because Toriyama and Toei keep retroactively making Beerus stronger so Vegeta and Goku can't beat him.

Goku SSB could beat Beerus if he hadn't been retcon-powered up and SS retcon-powered down. Goku SSBKaiokenx10 could DEFINITELY have beaten Beerus and Whis too, if they hadn't been Retcon-powered up.

If Vegetto ever returns, you can bet your ass Beerus was just "holding back" and he can still totally beat him.

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>>145999664
thats the point of beerus
we are sick of people that are "as strong as" the heroes
he will be stronger
the best thing that could happen imo is that beerus accepts goku and vegeta as even without being beaten to the ground

>>145993754
>>145994053

Yeah, having Beerus "order Frieza" to kill the Saiyans is the stupidest fucking retcon of them all.

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>>145999799
If that was the point, they shouldn't have made the plot of his movie about seeking a "good fight", because there is no fucking way I'll believe a mere SSG goku could entertain Beerus if Beerus is still way stronger than SSBKaiokenx10 Goku.

>>145999949
Atleast we have the manga as an alternative. It makes much more sense.

>>145999841
Except it doesn't really retcon anything. Even FUCKING Minus makes it clear Frieza wanted to kill them for his own reasons. Beerus just gave him another one.

>>146000380
Eh, inasmuch as it retconned SSBKaioken then yeah, but it was already fucked.

>>146000458
Then it was a pointless thing to do. It's just a bad idea all over.

>>145994053
They also retconned Freeza into knowing about the Super Saiyan God legend though. So, he'd likely kill the Saiyans even without Beerus' suggestion.

>>146000510
It reinforces Beerus as a petty cat-man. He was insulted by King Vegeta and wanted the planet destroyed. It changes literally nothing about Frieza's motivations, of all things it's possibly the least important thing to get upset over.

>>145992323
>implying he can even blink

>>146000660
>It changes literally nothing about Frieza's motivations, of all things it's possibly the least important thing to get upset over.
This, Freeza would have killed the Saiyans anyway and it explains why the Kaioshin didn't touch him because he was under Beerus.

>>146000727
Kaioshin is also incompetent, so there's that.

>>145986459
>Fusion Dance
2xmin(X,Y)
>Potora
X+Y

>>146000742
Not really.

>>146000763
No, it's X x Y, not X + Y.

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>>146000660

He could be easily shown to be a petty cat-man without clumsily trying to retroactively making him part of the continuity.

>>145986667
Gohan was stronger than Goku anon, and being TWICE as strong and fast as your opponent is more than enough to thoroughly trash them.

>>146000829
What does it change, in the long run? Frieza wanted the Saiyans dead. Beerus gave him a go-ahead. Frieza killed the Saiyans.

Minus has a far more mind-numbing retcon than that. And even Minus confirmed that Frieza wanted the Saiyans dead for his own reasons.

>>146000975
It makes Frieza Beerus' bitch-boy. It makes little sense for a guy like Frieza to act like he does and to be allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants when there is a God who can wipe him out at any time. Especially since they basically condemned the saiyans to destruction for being dicks, when Frieza is just as much of one.

And Minus was fucking awful, but that doesn't mean the Beerus retcons are good.

>>145999664
They could have just had Goku use standard Kaioken but NOPE. Times 10 for no fucking reason

>>146001198
It would still be troblesome, because standard kaioken is still double your power, and the point of the Kaioken is the stronger you get, the more you can stack it.

Looking back, Kaioken was a pretty bad idea. It would have made anyone who didn't have it completely obsolete if Super Saiyan didn't happen.
At least it wasn't tied to saiyan blood, but even if they'd taught it to everyone every fight would be a Kaioken Fest because any villain would necessitate being tens or hundreds of times stronger to pretend to be a threat.

>>145983369
Think about it. Last time they fused Vegeta wasnt even near goku's top power level and they became over the top

Imagine what a roughly equal vegeta with ssb and goku would add up to fused.

It would be Super buu all over again.

Whis would probably rewind time before they fused to kill them both just to prevent a being that powerful

>>146001423
>Last time they fused Vegeta wasnt even near goku's top power level and they became over the top
Technically he was, it's just that Goku had an extra transformation he couldn't do. But their power was about the same.

>>146001093
Except it doesn't. Frieza is still Frieza, Beerus wasn't bothered by him. This is LESS of a retcon than even Frieza's ENTIRE existence.

Remember the reason Vegeta and Nappa wanted immortality? They wanted to fight forever. It was later retconned that Vegeta wanted it to make sure he could defeat Frieza.

Beerus being around changes nothing of Frieza's motivations or character. He was the strongest mortal in the universe, and Beerus was fine with it. If anything he probably would end up training Frieza to be a potential replacement.

Are you upset because Buu is stronger than Frieza too? Dabura?

>>146000510
Beerus is a lazy fuck. Why bother doing something if you can have someone else do it for you? He didn't like Frieza either so it was just one problem taking care of another

>>145994462

Because Beerus would probably blow his shit up for disturbing his sleep. More of a last resort

He'd rather take the chance on the z fighters getting shit done and it paid off

>>145994462
Because Supreme Kai is a shitty cook.

>>146001594
Buu wasn't behind the scenes where everyone fucking knew about him just didn't think to mention him, jackass. He was hybernating.
Even the Kaioshin and Dabra weren't an issue because again, they weren't clumsily retconned into past events.

>>146001628
Considering how powerful he is and how easily he can be convinced to destroy a planet and how quickly Whis can take him anywhere in the universe, I'd argue actually going to Frieza to tell him to kill the saiyans is more work than just doing it himself.

>>146001876
Why didn't they tell him before when there were no Z fighters and Buu killed 1 Kaioshin and absorbed 2 others?

>>145986799
I thought Vegito only went SSJ1.

>>146002535
thats dragon ball heroes
https://youtu.be/OndzRzIg0_Y?t=1m46s

>>145985915
and how he acted when he thought babidi failed to restore buu?

imagine if frieza trained

>>146003327
they should really make him stronger
he himself said he is still inexperienced i think

>>145985738
>Anonymous

Goku have the strengh of a adult allday/work farmer at the age of 10

That Yajirobe... can beat the shit out of many martial artist those days

>>146001876
>Because Beerus would probably blow his shit up for disturbing his sleep. More of a last resort
But he can't. Beerus and the Supreme Kai lives are intertwined.

>>145985645
Its because Toriyama said that Goku had to be 10 times as stronger than Vegeta during Hit fight.

Manga people made it so SSJB was a waste of power, and Vegeta got into the Hit fight 10 times weaker.

Anime people made it so SSJB manages the power so well, that Goku could use the Kaioken for 10x times more power than Vegeta.

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>>145985738
>Yajirobe stronger than Goku and Piccolo during Radditz fight

Honestly power levels are inconsistent as fuck.
The big gest recent example us Piccolo vs the guy in their Freeza army.
He gets quickly put down white SSj Gohan who was probably weaker than Teen SSJ Gohan destroyed this guy.

End Piccolo is supposed to be at least SSJ2 tier. He is probably stronger thanks Gohan in Super.

And SSJB Goku or Vegetable should be able to take on Beerus.
I mean, Beerus definitely wasn't 50 timed stronger than SSJG Goku

We never found out how strong base Vegito was. He only went Super Saiyan to agitate Buu even further.

Gogeta would never finish off Beerus since when fused the time would be cut in half. Based Gogeta is 30 minutes fusion time like Gotenks, halved if they going up the food latter to Super Saiyan 3 and beyond.

Vegito is the only realistic showdown you'll see against Beerus and only if they use the Namekian balls to wish them separate after the fight.

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>>145983369
Yes. Fusion doesn't just add their strength together, it multiplies. SSJ3 is weaker than SSJ1 Vegetto.
So imagine an SSB fusion. It's obviously even stronger than at least 2 more transformations.

what was the name of the stream?

>>146010457
It's dead, Jim

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Seeing retarded manchilds sucking Toriyama's dick and defends fucking dragon ball plot holes really makes me laugh.
It's plot hole, toriyama is not a good at writing a coherent plot. Even this troll who wrote Bleach is better than him. Deal with it.

>>145983369
>>powerlevel discussions
Why are Dragonball fans so stereotypical.