>Just started watching Berserk because of the new series >Watched

>>145742514
>Holy fucking shit this has got to be the most edgy scene
ftfy

I feel like most people who haven't read Berserk are now reading like their first manga or something. Hey at least its a start and it could be worse

>>145742514
>This puts every other "suffering" manga to shame
watch texhnolyze

>>145742630
If you have more dark shit like this not edgetier shit I will happily take a recommendation.

>>145742673
>texhnolyze
will do anon it looks interesting

>>145742514
I thought it was pretty gay

dont get why people enjoy "suffering" anything

>>145742514
Yeah, I doesn't get more heavy metal than Berserk

>>145742691
Blade of the Immortal

>>145742514
And to think she loved every single second of it

>>145742726
It's not that I enjoy the suffering, it's more I'm really offput about it. Like, most anime, even the more brutal ones are too much of a pussy to do something like this.

You compare this to edgetier shit like Tokyo Ghoul where people scream about how tortued Kaneki was, and it just does not compare in the slightest.

That's what I like, shit that other shows just won't do.

>>145742901
I was mad FOR Guts. God fucking damn that was brutal.

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>>145742901
Fuck off Faggith apologist

>>145742514
I dropped it after this shit desu, still mad

>>145742514
>tfw your best friend turns into a bird and rapes your girl
Try anime like tehxnolyze
For manga
Blade of the immortal
Kingdom more edgy than dark
Kokou no Hito shit in the beginning
Blame!
No longer human
Dorohedoro

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>>145743441
>tfw your best friend turns into a bird and rapes your girl
This nigga joined a criminal group called hawk and then stole his best friend's girl. Confirmed plagiarist.

Cringe jokes aside, I'm watching the first episode of Tehxnolyze right now and am confused as fuck. Will continue on with the rest of those recommendations after.

Thanks anon

>>145742630
I've read a shit ton of manga, and just started Berserk. I'm really liking it, too.
I do mostly read edgy stuff and shonenshit, though.

>>145743646
based on your posts you would probably like Gantz
The manga is much better than the anime

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>>145743208
Griffith just finally gave Casca the D she wanted.

100% pure edge

>>145742514
you type like a bitchy eighth grader.

>>145742514
>Berserk fans

Nothing you guys do surprise me anymore

>>145746041
You don't understand edge.

>>145743441
Now and Then, Here and There is also a good show for people that like depressing shit.

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N U F F I N wrong
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Hope guts kill this bitch

>>145752177
We all do.

>>145742514
This your first manga?

>>145742514
Too bad real Berserk ended a long time ago.

Black Swordsman arc + Golden Age arc + Lost Children arc = Berserk.

Everything after that is basically a different story (with characters from Berserk). If you read the whole manga you will see what I mean.

>>145752177

2016 looks actually gay.

Not saying it's anywhere on par with the Eclipse but I recently watched this series and this nigga's death was pretty fucking brutal AND ballsy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIT8mitaoB4

>>145753090
I've rad it thrice and you're fucking retarded.

>>145754161
Someone got triggered.

But seriously, Berserk went downhill after the Lost Children arc ended. It was supposed to be about Guts' personal war to avenge his fallen comrades, NOT a Lord Of The Rings rip-off (Casca = the ring) and a nice, happy D&D party.

It's probably too late now to save Berserk. Miura knows that he fucked up when he decided to change the theme of the story 180 degrees. Why do you think Berserk is now being published irregularly? Because Miura himself is no longer interested in Berserk.

Think about it.

>>145755485
>It was supposed to be about Guts' personal war to avenge his fallen comrades
There has always been more to Berserk than that m8.

>>145755485
Well I think him being with the party shows his character development after being a psychopathic killer that despises everyone to being more accepting like how it happened with the band of the hawk so the new group is kind of like the band of the hawk ( embarrassing i know). Miura can probably unfuck it though if the whole party dies if griffith does start a sacrifice in Falconia and Guts kills casca after she cant be cured (unless she also dies in the sacrifice).

>>145742514
Well, wasn't it also some kind of "Senpai-finally-noticed-me"-scene...

>>145755485
>after the Lost Children arc ended
So 2 arcs total of Gut's personal war? The whole point is that Gut's personal war was futile. This is why he lost Casca in the 2nd part of conviction arc and had to retrieve/save her. Gut's personal war is a wild goose chase for the first 2 arc (barring Golden Age of course), Guts got hammered hard that he lost Casca for the 2nd time.

>>145753090
Well, unpopular opinion, but every arc until Schierke apppeared was good. After Schierkes appearance, it went downhill...

Of course dude. This is the best absolute dark story of manga that I ever read.

That Fucking BITCHH !!! I'm disguted by that man or rather piece of shit. What's actually he's purpose ?! fucking woman like that. Fuck that bitch

>>145752177
That Fucking BITCHH !!! I'm disguted by that man or rather piece of shit. What's actually he's purpose ?! fucking woman like that. Fuck that bitch

>>145755535
>>It was supposed to be about Guts' personal war to avenge his fallen comrades
>There has always been more to Berserk than that m8.

There wasn't.

This is why the Black Swordsman arc was published first and the Golden Age was a giant flashback arc. This is why the Lost Children arc continues right where the Black Swordsman arc left off and why Guts matures by the end of Lost Children and his Beast of Darkness is introduced.

THAT is how Berserk should have continued. Miura isn't a terrible writer but let's be honest, almost everything after Lost Children was an asspull.

If Griffith was planning to "come back" why wasn't this even hinted at during the Black Swordsman arc when Guts met him in the astral plane?

If the Kushan Empire was such a threat and on the march to conquer the world why were they never mentioned during the Golden Age arc? It's an asspul. Consider that the Bakiraka guys were portrayed as mercenaries for hire from the far east in the Golden Age arc, BUT then we find out that they are actually the Kushan Empire's special forces. That's dumb writing. WTF were these guys working for the King of Midland and why were they allowed to live and work in Midland in the first place?

And the BIGGEST asspull of them all. If Guts loves Casca so much why doesn't he remember her at all during the Black Swordsman and Lost Children arcs?

And hell, I'm one of those fans who actually liked the berserker armor and I think that it makes a lot of sense for Guts to have it.
I liked the idea of apostles fighting as an organized military unit, just not the way it was done.
Now if Berserk became more like The Running Man (after the Lost Children arc ended) with apostles organizing a mercenary band to hunt Guts down, it would have been a much better story than what Miura did.

>>145756621
Gut's solo war is a wild goose chase. It's been hammered down multiple times that it's about protecting Casca. Even Guts admitted his mistake. This is why the anime picks up right after Lost Children.

You're one of those people who completely missing the point and thought that the marines should've won in Avatar

>>145742691
Violence Jack if you want pure edge for the sake of edge
Devilman if you want a Berserk tier "dark as fuck but with a story that justifies it" style manga.
Fist of the North Star was lots of Violence too
I mention these three because theyre Miuras main influences outside of western movies and Guin Saga
Now if youre just into some blood and titties (and who isnt?) There like 1000 1980's OVAs for you to watch. Usually with much better animation than youll see today

>>145756710
I think the Count arc pretty solidly showed that trying to fight Femto is just throwing Guts life away. You cant beat reality warping powers with just a sword.

>>145756202
>>after the Lost Children arc ended
>So 2 arcs total of Gut's personal war? The whole point is that Gut's personal war was futile.

Uh what? He was hunting down and killing the monsters who killed his friends... which is exactly what he vowed to do right after surviving the Eclipse.

>Gut's personal war is a wild goose chase

I must be reading a different manga then. Did you forget that the Count, and Rosine, and her friends attacked and ate some of the members of the Band Of The Hawk even before the Eclipse happened. And don't forget what the Count did to Pippin during the Eclipse. They were evil scum that had to die, and that's exactly what we see happen.

Just because Guts couldn't do anything to Griffith when they met in the astral plane doesn't make Guts' war of revenge pointless. Every time Guts kills an apostle the world becomes a better place. But we also saw that apostles (other than Wyald) aren't just 1-dimensional villains with no story or personality. THAT is how Berserk should have continued.

>>145756246
>After Schierkes appearance, it went downhill...

It did. I hate how she became the 2nd most important hero in the story. I hate the idea that Guts and Schierke are "destined" to be together. This wasn't needed at all. And I really hate that she is a kid. Who the hell wants to see a smartass loli in a manga like Berserk? Why did Miura think this was a good idea? At least Jill went home when the Lost Children arc ended, and Erica doesn't play a major role in the story.

I thought the idea that he was this cold beast who could endure a one man war against the supernatural was thrown out the window in the first chapters before the flashback.

Not only was the power of the God Hand utterly overwhelming, he's shown having a small breakdown in that one famous panel as he leaves the Count's castle after dealing with his daughter. The sheer mental and emotional distress he was going through was eating away at him and he was barely surviving, let alone the physical torture he put his body through.

It seems natural that he would have to find help along the way; it emphasizes the sheer scale of what he was against. Futility is a common theme in the series and Gut's initial journey after the Eclipse encapsulate that.

>>145742691
Oyasumi Punpun if you wanna be depressed. Not an action manga but shits fucked

>>145746041
faggot

>>145757751
>I thought the idea that he was this cold beast who could endure a one man war against the supernatural was thrown out the window in the first chapters before the flashback.
>Not only was the power of the God Hand utterly overwhelming, he's shown having a small breakdown in that one famous panel as he leaves the Count's castle after dealing with his daughter. The sheer mental and emotional distress he was going through was eating away at him and he was barely surviving, let alone the physical torture he put his body through.

And that's why the Beast Of Darkness and the berserker armor were introduced.

>>145742624
This. Guts is a cuck a
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>>145759108
(0.02$ has been added to your falconia bank account).

Ignore apostle shills

>>145758548
You're ignoring the bigger picture and the mental and emotional aspects

The Golden Age should have hammered this home. Guts was a prodigy in combat with nearly superhuman ability but it wasn't enough. Comradery and Casca changed him for the better.

I think any emotional depths would be neutered if Guts could just rage his way through absolutely everything alone and be successful, and the series certainly wouldn't be as compelling.

>>145756621

Holy fuck what a speed reader. Your only legitimate complaint is that Griffith's motivations weren't clear from his first appearance, which is likely because yes, Miura hadn't gotten around to plotting that out completely yet.

>If the Kushan Empire was such a threat and on the march to conquer the world why were they never mentioned during the Golden Age arc? It's an asspull.

Nobody saw the Ottomans coming, either.

>Consider that the Bakiraka guys were portrayed as mercenaries for hire from the far east in the Golden Age arc, BUT then we find out that they are actually the Kushan Empire's special forces. That's dumb writing. WTF were these guys working for the King of Midland and why were they allowed to live and work in Midland in the first place?

Because they were, they make a plot point of the fact that these guys are primarily a mercenary/assassin force that was co-opted by Emperor Ganishka. They had been going around hiring themselves out for hundreds of years prior to that.

>And the BIGGEST asspull of them all. If Guts loves Casca so much why doesn't he remember her at all during the Black Swordsman and Lost Children arcs?

Dude was drowning himself. He ran away to what he thought he knew best, killing, and went deeper and deeper until hanging around Puck too much reminded him of what he left behind.

>>145756970
That should have been true for Ganishka as well. Combined with SK's rifting abilities, he might be able to strike a blow or two. But the final battle will not be fought with blades

I actually like all the magic stuff in Berserk.

>>145759855
>until hanging around Puck too much reminded him of what he left behind
not him but it wasn't puck that reminded him, it was his deformed child that warned him of the danger. The one who called Guts out on his bullshit was Godo. I don't know what the problem with /a/ is but that moment before the tower of conviction was probably the biggest character development for Guts and was very important for the series.

>>145752177
>gayer with each year

>>145743646
>he's never seen the daily reminder for tehxnolyze

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>>145761803

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKNv8QKLJeE

>>145742514
>Watched the movies
>Not the anime

You fucked up pretty bad. You don't even know what the fuck you're even talking about.

The movies are painfully mediocre. The anime is GOAT.

>>145742691
Seconding Devilman and Violence Jack. Devilman in particular is a legitimate masterpiece.

>>145761858
should I pick this back up
I watched through something episode 4 or 5 and dropped it because I couldn't understand anything that was going on

I only picked it up because robot limbs are rad and shit and I would willingly remove my fully functional right arm and replace it with a cool robot arm

>>145759222
Kek nice trips

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Was anyone else extremely disappointed by Devilman? I can't believe something so generic even by 1970s standards inspired Miura.

>>145762156
It's probably got the slowest start of any anime I know. The MC literally spending 3 episodes trying to climb up and down some stairs is super painful to get through. Everything afterwards is solid gold.

>>145742994
I can understand that. Berserk and especially that scene manage to just strike at your core in ways others don't. No pussying around.

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>>145762260
>Was anyone else extremely disappointed by Devilman?

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>>145742630
I was going to make a point about how Berserk is the only manga anyone ever reads but was met with this instead.

turns out I don't know fucking anything. Tokyo Fucking Ghoul is about to over take it.

>>145752177
He's gonna be K-ON-tier in the year 2020

>>145762883

10-15 years ago you were probably right. But I don't think MAL's audience has to patience to sit through nearly 350 chapters.

>>145752177
I've always thought people were too hard on 1997 Griffith. I think that the original series' style is the best we could have hoped for.

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>>145763477
>He's gonna be K-ON-tier in the year 2020

Leaked concept art

>>145756621
Not an asspull. It was more mystical.

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>re-read berserk
>seeing caska not retarded
>remember how much i liked her
>get to OP part

NEVER FORGIVE! GRIFFITH WILL PAY!

>>145762883
you got to admit, it impressive that a series 30 years old is even on that list

>>145757452
Everybody who knew about it told him he wasn't going to win it. They are right.

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You all know Casca will be killed the moment they fix her brain problems, right?

>>145763957
nah. she will live alone though beacuse everyone else will die.

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>>145763957
>she leaves Guts for Griffith

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>>145763957
>implying there won't be a training montage to get her up to strength

>>145755697
>elf king removes her brand
>mind starts to return
>remembers everything, even the things guts did when he was berserk to her
>activates his behelit
>guts has to fight enraged casca

>>145756411
>>145756455
can you leave /a/ please

so we get a new chapter in like a week, do you think we'll get on to the elf king by the end of it?

>>145761910
>Speedlines are better than mediocre cgi

>>145742514

Watch Re:Zero, it's a lot better and the best anime to come.

>>145762883
I don't see how you can be upset that Tokyo Ghoul might be about to overtake it when Shitgeki and even Naruto Tail already did.

>>145764092
>Expecting progress

It'll be another Griffith interlude and you know it. Probably a Sonia episode just to kick you in the dick that bit harder

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>>145764169
>Re: Zero > Berserk

>>145752177
i miss 1997 so much

>you will never be love heart batman

How could this shock you? she's almost raped like 90 times leading up to this point

>>145764278
Reading chapter by chapter must be fucking torture. Why not at least wait until a volume is done before reading on?

>>145759855
>Nobody saw the Ottomans coming, either.
Not to mention the Sea Peoples, Goths, Huns, Mongols, The Conquistadors landing in the Americas, etc.

Know it's kind of hard to imagine in the modern world, but there are plenty of instances throughout history of civilizations being attacked by invaders that come essentially out of nowhere. Hell, the Mongols hit Hungary so suddenly and so ferociously that they were honestly convinced they were the heralds of Gog and Magog coming to herald the end times for a time.

>>145761101
i do too, i dont know what everyones on about

>/a/ suddenly pretends to hate berserk
>to the point that people are saying the stupidest shit like saying that the art is bad
I won't ask what happened because its pretty obvious what happened

But to answer OP's question I think that no matter how much one tries to compare it, the eclipse definitely is one of the most brutal scenes/moments of all manga. The rape alone is nothing by itself though

>>145763957
>elsa as the ero-elf
Muh

>>145764458
because you'd be waiting like 5 years for the next volume to be completed

>>145764527

The rape scene is incredibly graphic for something that's not a hentai.

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>YFW

>>145763957
I'm patiently waiting for this. SK has already foreshadowed that something huge is going to happen when Casca is cured and it won't be good. Plus, there're those repeated warnings from the hell hound as well.

>>145752177
I just can't be mad at 2012 Griffith.

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>>145764669
>mfw

>>145764624
Did you mean "the rape scene was problematic"?
If it's a rape scene then you get a rape scene.

>>145758222
This. Dark content in a story with a lot of action is confronting for sure, but when you put it in a story with almost no action at all it becomes soul-crushing. There is no respite, no occasional tangent of gratifying violence. It's just you and the awful things that are happening.

Fantastic read for anyone on their way down the rabbit hole.

>The sheer magnitude of human life that could have been saved, including the shape of the world itself, had Guts just given Griffith the D instead of Casca.

I never knew the dick could be so powerful.

>>145755485
>It was supposed to be about Guts' personal war to avenge his fallen comrades

I always saw it as Guts trying to find a place where he belonged in the world.

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>>145764669
GRIFFITH!!!

we all knew this was gonna happen but fuck, it hurts everytime.

i loved him...

why did he raped her?
Was he so jealous that Guts had her attention?

Can we just get agreement that Griffith did nothing wrong?

>>145764861
He wanted to punish Guts for his betrayal and leaving the band.

>>145742514
>That bush

Disgusting

>>145764861

No, the other way around. He was jealous of Casca for having Guts' attention. He only saw Casca as one of this toys and didn't like Guts playing with it.

I get that Guts is somehow super strong, but how is he able to cut through plate armor, and how is he able to do it with such a thick sword?

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>>145764916
This, Casca was a tool for Griffith to hurt Guts. Up until his transformation to Femto, he blamed Guts for everything that happened to him.

>>145764000
I doubt that will happen. I don't think Miura would do that to his readers who have been waiting for the Guts and Casca reunion for almost 20 years. Besides, it would be strange if they fucked again as Griffith is inhabiting her child's body.

>>145742514
Berserk is old and busted
Goblin Slayer is the new hotness

>>145764971
his Guts. he dosent need to explain shit.

>>145753699
too much edge + no build up + lackluster voice acting = no pay off. I was disapointed

so why whould she have shaved armpits?

>>145765407

Same reason Guts did, I suppose.

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>>145765049
>I don't think Miura would do that to his readers

>>145750552
That is actually worse than the original eroge I think. Unless I just mixed shit up.

>>145762260
What's even happening in that scene?

>>145763727
Casca was so annoying.

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>>145765673
Akira finds his crush and all of her family and his recent friends chopped up and burned by a mob of witch hunters who are parading her body parts around the fire.

>>145764033
She wasn't even that strong before the Eclipse. She couldn't even defend herself during the Eclipse. She's going to get creamed by the Apostles.

>>145765814
She's got the brand hacks though.

>>145765784
she was at the beginning but thats understandable. she worship Griffith like a god and than guts comes in and gives him all his attention. she became cute once she fell in love with guts.

>>145765848
how dose the brand make her stronger?

>>145765929
Her weapons gain power from killing demons?

>>145765985
dosent mean she physically gets stronger.

>>145762883
Wondered myself why nobody is talking about Fairy Tail. It's supposed to be ending anfter the Alvarez arc and still no talk about it. Why is that?

>>145766742
Fairy Tail, Naruto, Bleach, long running shonen are dropping like flies

>>145763547
>its the year 2020
>finally getting another Berserk anime
>BERSERK SD

>>145765985
and she has to kill demons for a LONG time for that to take effect
which means she has to stay alive and be useful for a while

>>145766742
It's shit

>>145758222
>>145764814
Holy shit, back to MAL with your garbage recommendation. Teenage angst without the MC learning anything is just garbage. Go and self-hate somewhere else.

>>145768036
Yup. Fairy Tail is worse than Bleach and Naruto.

>>145742514
Why his abs look like hearts?

>>145764041
>the things guts did when he was berserk to her
what the hell are you talking about? the time he ripped her gown when is bathed in her scalding soup?

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>>145764910
>not liking a thick muff

>>145753699
lol wut

everyone plays up the end of the golden age as the high point of the series but imo it just kinda was what it was.

he became an evil god, and to make good on his vow to give up everything he loved to attain godhood, he killed two birds with one stone by raping the woman who loved him in front of the man he loved.. like literally destroyed the love triangle and sacrificed them.

desu it gets more interesting after that but idk if that's because i'm bored with new watchers/readers losing their shit over it or if it was actually just not that much of a "omg" moment.

>>145768469
oh shit how long have i been gone, they added wordfilters back?

fuck yeah imo

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>>145752177
2016 really wants that buttfucking

>>145765814
casca was pretty strong. strongest in the hawks after guts and griffith. that doesn't say a lot on its own since they are on a whole other tier, but i guess sane casca would have serpico power levels, maybe slightly below that

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>>145742624
>edgy
Fuck off

What will happen to Griffith's kingdom? Is it just going to be heaven?

>>145768600
It will be the grounds of the ultimate sacrifice, but Griffith will fight a nigga to maintain his dream, even the Godhand.

>>145768654
if they flip shit and make griffith attack the godhand i might stop reading. i straight up want griffith to get murdered.

that's just me tthough desu

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>>145768714
Just because Griffith hypothetically rebels against the Godhand doesn't mean Guts will suddenly stop holding his insane grudge. Imagine Guts intervening leads to the end of humanity because he stopped Griffith from thwarting the GH.
>Human and Apostlekind under one banner rebel against those trying to summon God
>Some random motherfucker who REALLY FUCKING ANGRY fucks it all up

>>145768600
It'll fall. Zodd's prophecy from the first time they met wasn't talking about the eclipse. Zodd warned Guts that he'll die when Griffith's dream/ambition comes crashing down/crumbles. He was talking about the fall of Falconia.

The end was foretold way back in Chapter 21. we were just too blind to see it.

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>>145768885
>>Some random motherfucker who REALLY FUCKING ANGRY fucks it all up

>>145768106
>Teenage angst without the MC learning anything is just garbage.

This is the most retarded thing I've read on this website, congratulations. If you want neat moral lessons there's plenty of brainless shounen garbage for you. You tried to defend your weak, basic taste with buzzwords and projection. You've disgraced yourself utterly and you should feel ashamed, but you wont. Why would you? Based on your statement you haven't even read it, your opinion is trash by default.

I hope Berserk is never finished just so I can watch you autists froth at the mouth for eternity

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>>145769146
This reminds me, I have Dark Souls 1 and 2 and I need to actually try to play them for once. They have a sword that's similar to Dragonslayer so there's no excuse.

>>145769659

That's quite an autistic thing to say

>>145769659
can you tell me how i can become eternal too

>>145768587
maybe she'll just spec into magic

>>145762260
fuck you

>>145771239
>third magic caster in the party
please no. just get her to be an archer or even bait for the apostles

>>145771448
Puck can too, theres no autistic quota

>>145766742
It's shit, but we all love Mashima because of the fanservice. That's the real plot and he knows.

>>145742514
To be honest I did not feel that badly for Gutts. He was challenging literally gods and he should have been better to Griffith in their youth. I did fee bad for Caska, but then the mangakadrew her enjoying it, like she'd wanted it all this time, like Griffith was merely a demon fulfilling her fantasy. Isn't that what Griffiths demon is, literally the degenerate thoughts of humanity?

He was fulfilling Guts fantasy too.

>>145759855
>Nobody saw the Ottomans coming, either.

Is this what they actually teach in world history class these days? I mean, damn where do I even begin to explain how wrong you are.
In real life maybe the average European peasant "didn't see it coming" but the ruling elites, the heads of state, and the Vatican definitely did.
That's why the Crusades happened, which btw were a defensive war.

It was the same with the Mongol invasions. Look it up. The Kingdom of France tried to establish diplomatic relations with the Mongols long before the Mongols got close enough to threaten France.

>Because they [the Bakiraka] were, they make a plot point of the fact that these guys are primarily a mercenary/assassin force that was co-opted by Emperor Ganishka. They had been going around hiring themselves out for hundreds of years prior to that.

No, sorry it is dumb writing. It would be like the U.S. hiring Soviet KGB agents to do some dirty work during the Cold War.
It doesn't help that the Bakiraka guys are also from a different religion and are pretty much considered to be heretics in the "lands of the Holy See" (including Midland).
I like that in the anime the Bakiraka don't appear in the Golden Age arc, because it makes absolutely no sense for them to be there. Silat's minor role in the Golden Age arc doesn't create any serious continuity problems, but the Bakiraka hit squad which worked for King of Midland definitely do.

>>145759300
>Guts was a prodigy in combat with nearly superhuman ability but it wasn't enough. Comradery and Casca changed him for the better.
>I think any emotional depths would be neutered if Guts could just rage his way through absolutely everything alone and be successful, and the series certainly wouldn't be as compelling.

My point is that we don't know what might have happened if Guts had continued his war of revenge... because Miura changed the story 180 degrees.

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>>145742514
>GF gets raped in front of you
One Piece is much darker.
Compare this to
>your mom can only afford to pay Arlong for you to stay alive, so she's shot in the head in front of you and your sister. Then you are enslaved to him for the next 13 years.

Berserk does not have shit on One Piece (or other manga) in terms of Darkness. It wins in edginess though.

>>145772915
Berserk is darker. It has a grittier, way more intense and bleak atmosphere.
One piece is more tragic when comparing the various different instances of suffering compared to the entirety of Guts' life.
Neither are edgy.

>>145773326
Other than Luffy tending to conquer the darkness and bring the light, I can't agree. I mean yes Berserk is more blatant about it, but the one piece world is Ike a post ritual Berserk except no ritual was even needed to make it that way. You can't just undo a magic spell to fix One Piece world like you can Berserk's.

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>>145772915
Something like the Bellmere scene is a regular occurrence in Berserk, and would be considered tame compared to all the other ridiculous shit that happens.

>>145763783
>Everybody who knew about it told him he wasn't going to win it. They are right.

We DON'T know... because Miura changed the theme of Berserk 180 degrees after the Lost Children arc ended.
Guts' Beast of Darkness was introduced and... nothing was done with it so far. Who knows what might have happened if Guts had continued to fight his war against the apostles and the godhand.

I can't emphasize this enough:

Guts in the Black Swordsman arc =/= Guts in berserker armor =/= Guts in berserker armor perfectly synchronized with his Beast of Darkness (which hasn't happened yet).

If Guts gives up his war of revenge in order to live peacefully with Casca, if Berserk doesn't end with Guts killing at least Griffith if not the rest of the godhand, this will be a huge "fuck you" to the audience.

This will be one of the lamest plot twists in the history of fiction, much worse than what George Lucas and Akira Toriyama have done lately. I sincerely hope that Miura doesn't do this but I can't deny that he might because he is clearly losing interest in continuing Berserk.

Miura has only himself to blame. If it's not broken, don't fix it. The original theme of Berserk worked really well, there was no need changing anything.

>>145773326
I'm saying the entirety of OP world is darker than the entirety of Berserk world, I listed a specific instance because OP did from Berserk.

In no way is Bellemere's death the main illustration of the dark shiftiness of OP world. The abundance of Orphans in OP world is though.

Big Mom might as well be a god hand with the level of magic she possesses.

>>145773567
Strange that op posted an example of casca being raped as the darkest shit he'd ever seen then. I just posted a single page from the start of OP to refute it.

>>145773665
Well, the Eclipse is 10x darker than anything One Piece has done and will ever do, so you didn't really do a good job of refuting anything in the first place.

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Puck is cute
CUTE

>>145773748
The Void Century was OP's eclipse you retarded anon, and 800 years later it's unchanged.

Berserk world will get fixed in ONE GENERATION.

Just because Luffy's crew smiles and jokes a lot doesn't mean they live in a happy world, it means they follow bellemere's lesson about life in darkness.

>>145773859
>dude ur a retard

This is why you'll never win any arguments on here.

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>>145773748
>eclipse darker than void Century
Delusional.

>>145773928
The fact that you focus on an insult rather than the argument presented and the fact you think you can 'win' an argument are why you're autistic as fuck.

I love you though anon, I love berserk, but the void century + 800 years of continuous oppression is a little worse than a world merger with a demon dimension.

One Piece can't close a portal to fix shit.

>>145768364
Re-read Chapter 189 and 190.

>>145763957
What's probably gonna happen is there will be like, a chapter or two of casca and guts being all reunited and happy, and then guts is gonna die defending his newfound jrpg party family in some final battle vs griffith and zodd or some shit

>>145774152
What's gonna happen is Shierke is a god tier Mage and the fairy is a demigod and Gutts sword can harm a god.

>>145774152
In Ocarina of Time fairies heal you in exchange for their freedom.

Those fairies hate you but still heal you to full.

Gutts fairy likes him. Literally can't lose.

how does griffith rape casca if he is wearing a leotard?
checkmate berserk

>>145768596
It was incredibly edgy though, you don't have to dislike (or like) the scene to see that. That scene is notable more for how over-the-top it is and not just the rape merely happening.

Also people on /a/ get trigerred by shit far less explicit than that scene all the time, for better or worse people here are biased towards Berserk.

There is no way Griffith is resigned to being subordinate the other godhand. Does anon agree?

The ending of Berserk will be Griffith saves Gutts life when the main god hand instagibs his full power armor. Then Gutts will kill that dude as Griffith dies like Darth Vader.

>>145773567
>2 days later I receive fruit cake in the mail

>>145765049
>pushing someone wearing armor into water
Jesus Christ Rickert

>>145774824
The end of Berserk will be Griffith raping Guts in front of Casca.

>>145774965
pottery

>>145774965
It could happen.

>>145742691
onani master kurosawa was good, prison school too

>>145774965
>Casca kills Griffith
Would be best end.

I actually found the panels of her being raped by all the demons before being raped by Femto to be more harrowing desu, as it happens pretty soon after the beginning of the eclipse

>>145775109
Yeah its pretty fucking awful. She sees everyone die trying to save her and then thats what happens.

If my memory serves me right, he fingers Casca's cunt.

>>145772915
this has to be bait jesus christ if it is I fell for it hard

>>145765814
>>145768587
Casca regularly shows pretty incredible feats of strength and agility during the Golden age. She was 2nd in command of the Hawks, a position she couldn't have reached by being weak and docile.

It's just that everyone only remembers the time she had menstrual cramps and when Griffith raped her. It doesn't help that she's been an invalid for the past 20 years.

Why's Casca so brown anyway? Is she the rape baby of some invading poo loo soldier, or what?

>>145768596
But it is edgy.

>>145775761

I'm pretty sure dark skin asians are a thing. And I'm not talking about that gyaru shit.

>>145776225
They're clearly not Asians, though. The whole setting is thoroughly European, aside from the Kushans.

>>145775761
Who cares? All that matters is that best girl is delicious brown.

>>145742514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxME8pxrKyQ

>>145773567
Nami's backstory is also normal in the one piece world.
Did the Eclipse kill even as many people as the genocide of Ohara and the destruction of the Tree of Knowledge? These were 800 year later consequences of the Void Century. Something so dark that honorable people believe it is better to genocide any people that try to discover what occurred in that time than to let the knowledge be shared. It's a much darker setting than berserk, the happy go lucky nature of the main cast does not change that.

Berserk hyperboles it's darkness, making a scene of 100 dead look worse than the murder of all but 1 of an entire civilization, one on the brink of discovering the history of the void century. One Piece understates it, because it is so grim that it has to to keep the reader from feeling hopeless.

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>>145776753
Berserk is hyperbole.

does he not get revenge for being cucked? does she die?

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>>145775761
Her background was never really touched upon. I'm sure she had some Kushan heritage though.

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>>145742901
>>145742994
>>145744608
>she recovers and rejoins Guts
>she only brings up the rape in a negative light
>Griffith raping her out of spite ends up causing his downfall via moon babby

>>145764699
Skully foreshadowed that Casca may not want to be cured, and why would she? The world's driven itself ever deeper into shit while she's probably dreaming happily of having a kid with Guts. Or she's having constant nightmares, if you go by the semi-canonical Dreamcast game.

i honestly never gave this series a chance because the panels ive seen are just of the guts guy getting cucked and or btfo almost all the time

and i just don't care to read about some loser guy main protag

>>145774399
Did you get ahold of the special 4Kidz cut of Berserk or something?

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>>145777525
Technically the main trio all cucked each other, so piling the blame on Guts says that you don't know what the fuck you're on about.

>>145777177
She had a chapter about how shit life was in her home village, before her parents sold her out to a noble who was clearly going to make her his sex slave, and then another chapter of her finding her place within the Hawks and at Griffith's side. Makes me think of Serpico, the two of them went through a lot of abuse and ended up becoming very devoted to the commanders they followed.

>>145775761
I think she's supposed to be a gypsy who was orphaned/sold into slavery. About the only kind of brown people in European Middle Ages.

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>>145777184
>Griffith raping her out of spite ends up causing his downfall via moon babby

I'm pretty sure that's how it's going to go down. In a twisted way, Guts, Griffith and Casca are all the parents of the child. He will no doubt play a major role in bringing down Griffith.

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>>145776753
LOL. You are reaching too hard.

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>>145776753
>Berserk hyperboles it's darkness, making a scene of 100 dead look worse than the murder of all but 1 of an entire civilization, one on the brink of discovering the history of the void century.

If Oda decided to realistically depict the massacre of all those people, blood, wounds, corpses and everything, would you still call it a hyperbole. There is no exaggeration of the shit that happens in Berserk, it's simply the reality of that world. Oda could have shown the bullet go through Bellemere's head and her limp, lifeless body hit the floor but he didn't. Miura can depict an insanely angry man cutting off his own arm to save his lover from literally Satan if he wants. I'm not gonna call it a hyperbole.

>>145777891
i dont know what the fuck this shit is about and i don't care that i don't what the fuck its about

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>>145779224

Literally all of Muira's spreads.

>>145779671
This is such a bad ass picture. Zodd is so fucking cool.

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Reminder:
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>>145779380
I didn't know /v/ was giving out free lobotomies. Maybe that was their plan to infiltrate Berserk threads with anons more retarded than Casca.

>>145774036
And in the Berserk world, they had a shitty feudal system, keep in mind Skull Knight has been fighting Apostles for hundreds of years as well, it's not like things weren't a little fucked before then, shit's just been going down since the merger. And there's only a handful of people doing anything about it, which we don't even know how because in their world, people are subject to causality, usually steered towards suffering, whose main oppressors are absurdly powerful gods.

At least in One Piece, you have a division of power between the world government and rogue factions like pirates and the revolutionaries. Fixing all those issues doesn't seem as futile, or impossible in One Piece as it does in Berserk. I feel like the world of Berserk is more grim, if not for that.

>>145769677
A lot of DS art style is influenced by Berserk, too.

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>>145779224

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>>145781149
This has been one of my favorite scenes.

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>>145742624
Pretty sure blood c has it beat on terms of being edgy. At least there was a build up and background to the rape/arm ripping

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>>145752177
Needs a shop of 2020 with him being moe ugueee kawaii tier moeblob.

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>>145742514
That armor looks retarded

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>>145779224
I use this on my phone.

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>>145782175
Alright I'm tired.

>>145781742
>>145781635
Why did one of Zod's horns get way fatter when the other one was chopped off?

>>145766809
Time to make way for the next wave of endless shounen series I guess. Except for One Piece cruising on steadily for the next 20 years.

>>145769146
that file name lel

>>145782224
thx m8

>>145742514
Just finished this volume. It said they left chapter 83 out. Should I read it or should I skip it like they say to?

>>145742514
It will only go downhill from there
The tower arc or whatever it's called is ok, after that it turns into a generic jrpg

>>145782572
They've always been thicc, it's just there's no second one to make it look proportionate.

>>145756411
You are either baiting or didn't understand what you read at all

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>>145742514

>>145783606
>Just finished this volume. It said they left chapter 83 out. Should I read it or should I skip it like they say to?

Read it.
http://www.mangapanda.com/berserk/13/223

How much dick did Zodd suck to get a cool apostle form like that?

Conviction was the worst arc, way too much comic relief in what was meant to be Eclipse Part 2

>>145784851
Their monster form is basically their ego. It's how they subconsciously see themselves.

>>145781536

It's not armor

>>145785044
>that one motherfucker who's a snail with legs

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>>145763957
>gets her sanity back
>kills herself from pressure/grief
>not before dragging the RPG party into some extremely dangerous spot surrounded by apostles
Its about time for a good 'ol massacre

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>>145781829
Can't the Blunder Knight do anything right, even with a fucking dimension-ripping sword?

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>>145785458
at least his taste in bags is indisputable

>>145785318
Most of the party is at the very least on par with normal form Guts.

>>145785953
No its fucking not, nobody can stand solo like him, thus they're very inferior. Schierke is powerful, but i doubt she can hold her own against multiple apostles. Serpico fucking lost in a straight up sword duel against Guts with everything tremendously in his own favor. Rest don't even need to be mentioned

>>145786056
Serpico wasn't using his magic shit in that fight, though, while Guts always has his demon sword and metal arm. And Farnese is still training.

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>>145764669
I knew it was going to happen

But not like this

>>145786111
>Serpico wasn't using his magic shit in that fight, though, while Guts always has his demon sword and metal arm
A sword which was a disadvantage in that environment. Fake arm isn't even a benefit, only Guts made it fucking work. Low quality bait, made me reply

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>>145786178
His sword just cleaved through the whole room, to the point where it even collapsed the ceiling. What other sword can do that, huh?

>>145786293
That's Guts own capability, not his sword magic, so saying Serpico measures up is a fucking joke

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>>145786334
Guts can't make a normal sword cleave through several pillars. It's just not mechanically possible.

>>145786393
And?

>>145786293

Why would you want a sword hitting all stuff arround except for your opponent in a duel?

That sword is a disadvantage when fighting anything normal sized. Guts can use it just cause he's crazy strong.

>>145782089
I've seen this before but just now I realized it kind of reminds me of Nito from Dark Souls.

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>>145786482
Because Serpico is a slippery little shit and can evade Guts basically all day long if Guts can't use his giant fuckstick to destroy the arena and deny access with its sheer size.

>>145786603
Comparing him to Guts in strength or swordsmanship is ridiculous though, he merely exceeds in tactics

>>145786603

Sword isn't an advantage there. a knife would have worked better for anyone in that situation. Gutts gets a free pass for being Gutts. in any other case, sword is useless. It's just to big to be called a sword.

>>145756621
>that
>an asspull
The manga even fucking spells it out for you. He was so focused on revenge that he lost himself to bloodlust. Or do you think it's normal to laugh when you cleave apart the souls of children?

>>145786393
That's more a function of his sword being a massive slab of iron than it being any kind of magical tool.

>>145743208
You have it wrong. We're not saying Griffith was good, we're just saying Casca was starving for his Femto dick.

>>145742514
Wait a minute, Griffit only has 8 abs?

What a loser.

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>>145786734
>It's just to big to be called a sword.

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>>145742624

Not really. Berserk is actually one of the most tasteful manga when it comes to rape (well, atleast to the main characters)

>>145755485

You're only half right. Miura did get bored so he tried to change the story, but now he's still bored.

>>145785414

>blunder king

he didn't blunder here

Why does everybody assume this?

>>145789313
>literally merged the astral and physical world
SK pls leave

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>>145789763

hold up

He pulled the EXACT same shit before at a junction of fate, he took a swing at Void even though he didn't have to.

Most of the pages before he merged the worlds was Griffith trying to cover his own ass so he wouldn't be the one sacrificed to create the new world, shortly prior to Emps transformation he was the only person around that fit the criterion to be used to merge worlds.

>twice reborn

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>>145764169
please keep reddit zero out of this

>>145787430
I completely disagree. Rape is overused to a ridiculous degree in Berserk.

>>145791307
Well that's because everyone was getting raped in that era.

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This is now a Griffith appreciation thread.

>>145792147
Griffith is a homo who pleases old men for money.

>>145792053
^

>>145769677

Two-handed rapier dex build supplemented by rings for ds2, because it's so boring.

Man it up with pure str/end and gitgud for ds1+dlc.

>>145779301
Oda did show Bellemere get shot in the head and did show her body fall to the floor. Berserk makes tame shit look horrible. One Piece makes you forget that its horrible.

>>145780917
Berserk world is hyperbole tragic, 10 years of pain.
One Piece world is almost 1000 years of unstoppable horror.

>hurr skull knight
Good vs Evil is always ancient. One Piece world Evil won a thousand years ago.

>>145779671
Funny I don't remember that scene

>>145782706
SIXTY
FIVE
PERCENT

it's amazing how Oda came to that conclusion, wonder how many people knew before he stated that.

>>145782136
What chapter is this from? I'm right at the end of the golden age after the eclipse

>>145744133
agree with this anon. Gantz was great, all 383 chapters of it.