Fuck you guys for telling me this shit was worth watching. Subaru

He actually makes the whole show more enjoyable for me.

He's what's carrying the show. None of the other characters are really all that interesting.

If Subaru isn't what you're watching the show for, you should seriously go back to SAO.

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>Everything after last episode will be him wrecking shit with others because Rem made him realize how pathetic he is.
Boy I can't wait.

He's an interesting MC. Way better than the generic LN MCs who are too perfect.

>>145282418
at last you opened your eyes

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>>145282647
That's absolutely true. Without him -- or with a more standard MC -- the show would be incredibly boring. But at the same time he's just such an awful human being that I can't stand watching him.

I'm only up to episode 14, but in 13 where he stands up in the council room to yell at them for being shitty to Emilia I wanted to cheer for him, but he just made things worse and worse for himself and everyone around him in the process. Kimochi warui.

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>>145282418
I personally enjoy seeing Subaru suffer.

He and Betelgeuse are my favorite parts of the show.

>>145282684
If Subaru is what you're watching the show for, you should seriously go back to Watamote.

>>145282647
Without his persistence, idiocy and suffering we would know jack shit about any other character.

>>145282749
Hurts looking into the mirror doesn't it?

>>145282418
It's not so much that Subaru is an angry jealous sperg but that he suddenly turned into an angry jealous sperg for no reason and the writer tried to handwave it with some pseudo intellectual diatribe about the inherently paradoxical nature of altruism.
>Don't you get it, man? All those people you helped, man, you didn't really do it for them, man! You just did it for yourself, man, because it makes you feel better about yourself, man, and you're a selfish fuck, man.
A pathetic, incompetent attempt at 2deep4u garbage.

>>145282418
>shitty generic isekai world that gets almost no building
>shitty MC that is a generic "useless good guy" that makes everyone fall for him
>he acts like an annoying retard at all times
>he has a power that basically makes this anime a "choose your own adventure" story
>none of the other characters are interesting
>the plot is boring
>edge and suffering instead of interesting character development

It's shit.

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>>145282863
>helping others because it makes you feel good is bad

I never understood this. You're helping people anyway so what if you're getting enjoyment out of it?

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>>145282914
I agree. The mystery aspect in the second arc was interesting at least, though, but it's pretty shit in general.

>>145282786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsBUbSbhEJs

>>145282863
For no reason? He was like that since ep 1

>>145282684

I'm not sure why there's so much hatred for Kirito. He's miles better than the really shitty isekai protagonists we've seen, and better than literally every reincarnation protagonist.

Kirito wouldn't have put up with shit like that.

>>145282418
Found the selfinsert fag.

>>145282995
That was okay until you got to the resolution.
>oh the villain was just an evil beast from outside the village all along

>>145283037
No, he literally wasn't.
For the first two story arcs he was built up as someone who goes through immense personal hardship because he genuinely wants to help the people he cares about.
That was the entire point of the scene where he was asked why he cares about the villagers he only just met and then he went on to recite the kid's hopes and dreams. He wasn't just goofing around, he genuinely got to know them because he cared.
That was the character they built up and then promptly tossed into the trash.

>>145282914
This, it's just another generic neet wish fulfillment anime, giving the mc a shitty power and making him not op don't change the fact he still a Mary sue who matters to the world he's in and has beautiful girls wanting to jump on his dick for no reason other than he's the mc.

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>>145282691
thank god he can go full Elliot Rodger now. Im so excited

>>145283128

Not to mention that he fucking fought a giant dog with a broken sword. Sure, the gay clown bailed him out, but still!

>>145283056
>you don't like a shitty selfish MC who ruins everything around him with his garbage attitude so you must like to self-insert!
You have it backwards. Subaru makes it incredibly easy to self-insert for the majority of NEETs watching this show.

>stupid but ends up making things turn out well
>selfish but gets people to like him and help him
>supposedly an 'anti-protagonist' but still has an incredible special power and gets put in situations where he's the star player

He is literally a self-insert.

>>145283081

>he doesn't know

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This is the only girl that makes this show worth watching.

>>145282418
>Is this shit worth watching
>Everyone always tells you to fuck off and stay out of the ride
>People still watch it and complain

You have nobody but yourself to blame.

>>145282418

That was one of the better episodes. His decisions were influenced by actual character flaws and had long standing consequences beyond just being stupid. Why do people keep saying he wasn't acting that way due to the deaths he's experienced and the effort he's put in? Like needing to feel important after his ordeals, getting conceited believing he's saved people like in the case with Priscilla, his attachment to Emilia growing into desperation because of the aforementioned? Was there not character development/regression involved?

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>>145283408
Best girl.

>>145282418
Don't you just want to pull his mouth open and face fuck him until your cum is coming out of his nose and mixed in with his snot?

I know I do.

>>145283413
Maybe if you dumbasses stopped giving the show such hilariously overstated praise people would stop thinking it's worth watching.

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>I can't self-incert uwaaa
Based director

>>145282749
That shit was too painful to watch. He was just like every emiliafag.

>>145283002
fucking god my sides

>>145283649
>a scumbag with an air of tragedy
No, he's just a fucking retard.

>i have an important talk with the higher-ups of the entire kingdom don't come because you're a fucking peasant that knows jack shit
>come anyway
>do retarded shit in front of everybody
>to top it of declare by yourself that you're her knight, embarassing her even further
>WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MAD AT ME YOU SHOULD FEEL INDEBTED TO ME INSTEAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>145283128

He did attempt to save Emilia, Felt, and Old Man Rom, people he barely knew, after thinking about doing the opposite just purely because it's the right thing to do after just being murdered. If that wasn't the case, it was badly presented.

>>145283649
>>145283232

>>145283780
>>145283649
So I'm supposed to feel bad for him? He doesn't fucking learn anything from his mistakes, so how am I to feel any sympathy or pity?

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meme boy is the best

>>145283649
>I-I totally wanted him to be unlikable
>scumbag with an air of tragedy
>this is what Rezerofags believe
He is a fucking entitled autistic retard who doesn't know his position. Everything that happened to him was well deserved for his own idiocy.

>>145282418
You have to admire/respect Subaru getting back up after he got his shit beaten by Julius during that fight.

He got guts. A normal bitch would've walked away and said fuck it after realizing they couldn't hit Julius, but he kept going.

>>145282418
He's fucking cringe and has zero charisma

>>145283649
>I wanted to make him look awful so I just did
>what is buildup?
>what is narrative cohesion?
>stop asking questions and just look at this torture porn! isn't it shocking?
Hack.

>>145283780
Watch some epic anime like Kaze no Stigma. Kazuma us pussy destroyer. Or watch some epic capeshit

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>>145283740
And then --

>get warned multiple times about going back to Roswaal's mansion
>NO SHE NEEDS ME I CAN SAVE HER

What a garbage human being.

>>145283896
That entire fight is the literal definition of "talk shit get hit".
I don't feel a tiny bit of admiration towards him because it's entirely his fault and Julius is taking the blame instead.

>>145282418
>he fell for the REEEE Zero meme

>>145283925
>buildup
>narrative cohesion
Watch using your eyes, no ass. What next? Whale is deus ex machina?

>>145282418
>really fresh enjoyable character
>w-why doesn't Shinji get in the robot what a little pussy
You fags are embarrassing yourselves again.

>>145283740
Maybe you should watch 18 episode?

>>145283998
>the clues we're there all along guys
>you only had to pay attention!
Kys and stop shilling shitty anime.

That rant he made in front of the council about the knights and everything was such a cringefest I had to stop half way in and play some vidya just to unwind.

>>145284034
>Kys
Hello, reddit.

>>145284034
>Kys
Are you underage?

>>145283922
And yet everyone, at least, tolerates his autism and numerous characters find it endearing. I bet Beetlejuice and Shadow KKK would become BFFs with him and join on a Thriller re-enactment number if he pulled his "VICTORY!xD" bullshit.

>>145284030
>10 minutes of telling a girl that's in love with him to run away with him and then immediately rejecting her
Quality japanese writing.

>>145284016
>enjoyable
I wish that were the case.

>>145283998
Go rewatch the series and then tell me with a straight face that there was actual buildup for what happened.

>>145283956
I'm not saying Subaru didn't deserve to get hit after talking shit, but you gotta respect him not pussying out, and getting back up even when getting his ass beat.

To be honest though. With that Respawn ability Subaru (Along with Al) are some of the most broke motherfuckers in Re:Zero who can talk shit all day/back it up "Because fuck you I got timehacks weak ass bitch.", and most likely could fuck everybodies shit up.

>>145283929
Are you going to address the argument or keep making strawmen?

>>145284118
Quality shitposting. You like simplification of everything, right?

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>>145284016
No, actually, Shinji is an example of this type of character done really well. He has reasons for behaving the way he does, and Eva is at least partly about him coming to terms with his position and role. In comparison Subaru is simply a selfish asshole who doesn't know how to act, and thinks that people owe him just for existing.

I want the
>if you hate Subaru you must hate Shinji too xD
meme to end.

>>145284030
>WAAH IM A RETARD
>maybe if I keep insulting myself without actually improving anything I will become a better person

>>145284162
>argument
>strawmen
Here we go, my little crossboarder. Try to watch show untill the end

>>145284165
When you're talking about something that's already simple to begin with it's not simplification but description.

Subari is just another self-insert faggot, it doesn't matter how low they make him fall, because in the end he'll set everything right and everyone will adore him.

>>145284227
>ad hominem again

so wait when subaroo dies is time reverted or is he in an alternate timeline

>>145284245
I will take the bait. Name any non self-insert character.

>>145284294
Time goes back to his checkpoint.

The events that occurred previously never happened.

>>145284301
They're talking about one in this thread.

>>145284166
Except that he has his reasons too. Except that Shinji is selfish as well.
Except that EVA was two cour long
Except that this series is ongoing and we aren't even half way through.
Except the resolution for Shinji wasn't to be a better person it was to come to terms with his desires and accept himself. Of course from there he would improve but the show's climax was his self acceptance, not any major personal improvements past that.
Except we have no idea how Subaru will be developed as a character and more so if you haven't read the WN or LN

None of your points are valid and a few are very clearly wrong.

>>145283925
so there are people on /a/ who realise this after all.

The entire plot of re:zero hangs togther by a silk thread known as the authors asspulls, nearly every plot device in the show so far is on the level of a god, from his powers being random as fuck and allowing the author to do w/e without rhyme or reason in regards to savepoints etc

The whole plot device of him not being able to tell others about his power and the consequences of doing so are such a massive asspull that reeks of "ow shit I gotta cover my ass on this one" I mean the consequences seem to be w/e the author seems to like there is no rhyme or reason it's a cheap asspull that secures the author some real cheap fucking drama emphasis on cheap because literally everything in this show hinges on him being constantly forgotten and everything resetting back to a certain point. and AAAAALLLLLLLLLL of the drama so far in the show could have been avoided if good ol subaru could just do the sensible thing and tell people about his powers.


BUT NO WE GOTTA HAVE THE CHEAPEST PLOT DEVICE IN THE HISTORY OF WRITING CREATE THE MOST FORCED DRAMA EVER SEEN IN ANIME

I liked Subaru for the first 11 episodes, but did we really need to see him fuck up as hard as humanly possible for six episodes in a row? A little change in pace would have been nice.

>>145284502
>forced drama
bait

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>>145283896
Did you even watch the last episode? Subaru fully expected himself to win, or to be able to win. He thought that if he just went through the motions and kept half-assedly trying, victory would be handed to him on a silver platter. He only got up because he thought that, and only thought that because he failed to realise how the people around him have always been doing the heavy lifting in his stead. Julius knew this and beat his shit. Wilhelm saw this and denied him the chance to beat shit. The greatest degree of character development he's had? Learning to ask for others to do shit for him, politely.
Subaru isn't gutsy. He's arrogant, ignorant and truly, truly slothful.

>>145283053
Kirito gets hated on because /a/ hated the series he was in. Just because a character is competent does not mean the character is a Mary Sue.

>>145284419
>Except that he has his reasons too.
Can you tell me what those reasons are, then?

>There is literally at least one Subaru discussion thread on /a/ 24/7
>People still refuse to admit he's an interesting and complex MC

He's not even a cute little girl, and /a/ can't help but obsess over him. If he wasn't well-written, there's no way he'd be generating so many threads.

>>145284648
If people didn't overpraise this series no one would feel the need to make a thread just saying how shitty he is.

>>145284596
>he failed to realise how the people around him have always been doing the heavy lifting in his stead

Yes, this is very obvious and consistent.

>>145284639
His father. Deaths

>>145284648
>interesting and complex MC
No, he's a poorly handled MC and the reason there is so much discussion is because some pretentious faggots are too braindead to acknowledge that.

>>145284639
Maybe watch the show or read the books and you'd find out. I mean seriously.
The length of the WN gives a good indication of how much longer the series has to go and just how far through the anime is through the whole story.
Naturally as the series hasn't ended reading the WN won't give you all the answers but it'd stop some of your bitching. Maybe try that, or, accept that we're less than half way through a series and as such don't know everything yet.

>>145284648
>2013
>There is literally at least one Valvrave discussion thread on /a/ 24/7
>People still refuse to admit it's an interesting and complex anime

It's not even a cute haremshit, and /a/ can't help but obsess over it. If it wasn't well-written, there's no way it'd be generating so many threads.

Or maybe it's because it was embarassingly shit, just like Subaru.

>>145284825
How about you answer the question instead of "r-read the source".

Fucking episode 18, you guys told me it was good.
>after dying thrice and seeing his friends get murdered in the most brutal ways
>like that little girl in the village that got his eyes gouged out
>he talks 10 minutes with a girl and he becomes fine and dandy to keep trying
Literal shit, and i'm not even entering into the cringe-worthy dialog since that's a staple of Japanese LN.

>>145283081
...Heh... Yeah anon, that's it...

I like how they keep introducing all these characters and doing fuck all with them

I'm 15 episodes in and the only locations that I remember is the capital and Emilia's mansion

At this point I'm just watching to see if this mc ever improves. I kind of want to see him become Kirito.

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>>145284898
>that little girl in the village that got his eyes gouged out
n-nani? One trap is enough, thank you.

>>145284994
When she sees Petra's corpse together with Ram her eyelids are shadowed, suggesting that there's nothing inside.

>>145284898
yea plus how fucking boring, garbage and poorly directed that scene was. literally standing still facing eachother for 10 min
just embarrassing

I'm a staffer with the Emilia campaign, on a business trip on earth these days. The campaign is literally falling apart. Emilia and Subaru are growing more bitter towards each other behind the scenes, her advisors are all considering jumping ship, and Emilia herself is starting to crack under the weight. I've personally been delivering more and more pain medication to her over the past few weeks ever since the royal selection. Whatever poker face she had in the public eye before this week is likely going to fade away very soon, the selection is literally giving her full-on panic attacks and dangerous blood pressure. I've heard her screaming behind locked doors about how she can't keep up the charade anymore and that she has absolutely nothing ready for the kingdom in terms of a strategy or range of issues. Beatrice is probably going to leave the campaign by the end of the month anyway, likely followed by the bulk of Emilia's advisory team, leaving her dead in the water, because this elf doesn't know politics to save her life. She knows she'll bomb at the selection, he knows her poll numbers are slipping, she knows everyone with any common sense in her own campaign is getting the fuck outta dodge before it crashes and burns.

I've been wanting to say this for weeks now and I don't have anywhere else to go without taking to the press. If you have a question please ask. They'll never know I came here.

>>145284886
>consuming the media is now an illegitimate action for understanding and enjoying anime and manga
Your a complete fucking retard man. Further, do you have nothing to say about the fact that relative to EVA we're still in the first handful of episodes? I wouldn't expect you to given your adversity to reading and watching but, just to make sure.

>>145285055
Don't forget the birds that start flying from the fucking floor.
On the level of that fucking sakura petals that started flying out of nowhere when he's talking to Emilia in the mansion on the first cour.

>>145285055

Fuck you, the doves coming out of nowhere to punctuate that moment and the lighting focusing on Rem was excellent.

>>145284839
>>145284800
>>145284716
Name one other MC who isn't a cute girl who has managed to attract as much attention on /a/ as Subaru.

Light and Shinji are the only two that come to mind, and both happen to be original and well-written characters.

>>145285150

Is Onii-sama also a well written character?

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>>145285042
Is this bait? Or are "re:zero is shit" spammers that fucking dumb?

>>145285150
Kamina while he was MC.
But that's beside the point, which is that the main reason why Toyota gets so much discussion is because of the number of people who hate how he was written.
Your argument is basically Appeal to Popularity by which
>there was so much discussion of Twilight back in the day, that means it must be amazing

>>145285123
>claims Subaru has reasons
>ask what these reasons are
>r-read the source
>why don't you just say it
>CONSUMING THE MEDIA IS NOW AN ILLEGITIMATE ACTION YOU'RE A RETARD
How about you fucking say his reasons? It's way easier than keeping dodging it. Of course, if he does have his reasons.

>>145285146
didnt touch me sry
prefer if there was some sakuga or depth

>>145285243
No wonder you didn't notice, subtlety is wasted on someone that likes this garbage.
Don't worry, i'm sure you'll see plenty of more tasteless edge on the coming episodes.

>>145285103
Have you considered working for Barielle? I've heard she's great under pressure and her unusual approach to politics and feudal leadership has been getting great results.
Further, given the break down of Emilia's votership to which candidate do you believe her demographic will go to next? Surely there are few candidates who would resonate with them. Does this mean Emilia's resignation won't affect the selections or do you think there will be some strategic campaigning from the remaining candidates to try and profit from the power vacuum?

I still don't get it, how fucking insecure do you have to be unable to tolerate Subaru's behavior? He's just like a normal teen most of the time. I'm just starting to get tired of his constant screaming. I guess there's a reason why most anime protagonists are bland, impersonal, inoffensive cardboard cutouts, when anything slightly different intimidates and infuriates people so much.

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>>145283571

>>145284607
No, people mostly hated the series because of Kirito. He IS a Mary Sue.

>>145285274
Please an hero

Also, sage for such a shit thread.

>>145285390
>this character is shit, here are the reasons:
>how fucking insecure do you have to be to not like this character like I do?
No he's not a normal teen, a retarded one maybe.

>>145283053
>Kirito wouldn't have put up with shit like that.
No fucking shit, his whole show is designed to make him look like a badass. Meanwhile Re:zero is designed to show the audience how terrifying a world like that really is, not for you to self insert into.

>>145285422
Nah, Kirito is pretty much fine as a character, a bit dull but nothing offensive. The problem is how much the characters and the show itself suck his dick when he should really just be a reasonably competent character.

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>>145285334
>I was just pretending to be fucking dumb, you got B8d!!!!
We've got some quality posters in here.

>>145285518
>Re:zero is designed to show the audience how terrifying a world like that really is
Is it? If that's what it's trying to do then it's failing. Hard.

>still watching isekai
>still watching LN adaptions

When will you learn?

>>145285518
>Meanwhile Re:zero is designed to show the audience how terrifying a world like that really is
>this is what zerofags really believe

>>145285422
I never saw Kirito as a Mary Sue, he screwed up got his party killed and had PTSD.

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>>145285390
You're pretty much right but like you said it's Subaru's constant screaming and the over dramatic shit that he does all because he wanted to get some half elf's ass is just a tad annoying.

>>145283128
He was. You are speaking like if one thing excluded the other. He is both genuine AND selfish in what he does. You missed the second aspect for the whole series. Why do you think he cared so much to be loved by strangers since the episode 1? Because he needs to be praised and accepted.

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>>145284125
What is mabeast? file name

>>145285510
>this character is shit, here are the reasons:
>why doesn't this character hide in a corner and keep quiet when other people are talking, I can't bear to watch this!
This is all I see.

>he's not a normal teen, a retarded one maybe.
SO A NORMAL TEEN

>>145285390
to be fair most of the Re Zero hate on /a/ comes from insecure teenagers and high school dropouts who are being pretentious in their own self hatred

>>145285783
>reads a post without reading the reply chain
>calls others retards
Not what's being talked about, dumbfuck

>>145285935
You were talking about the whale.

>>145285802
Yeah, clearly the 124 replies in this thread are all just shitposting.

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>>145286023
>clearly the 124 replies in this thread are all just shitposting

>>145285689
>Why do you think he cared so much to be loved by strangers since the episode 1? Because he needs to be praised and accepted.
And here we have the exact bullshit that the writer is trying so hard to push at the expense of all else.
>you can't just care about people, you have to have ulterior motives, altruism isn't real
I tip my fedora to you and Nagatsuki.

>>145284639
Anon your rants are pathetic. Yeah Subaru has his own reasons. As all the WN readers know. The anime will treat that part in another season, if we will get it. You are saying bullshit about a plot that you don't know and you seem ridiculous. Not everything must be explained immediately. Are you not patient enough? Well drop it.

>>145285983
No, I was talking about him sperging out right after returning to the capital.

This thread is refreshing because it has some people actually giving critique about the show, instead of circlejerking it mindlessly like the rest of /a/.

>>145283459
>>145283408

s-stop

>>145286180
>Just like Subaru, Emilia narrowed her eyes as she watched Rem sleep. Emilia's lips trembled, and after a moment of hesitation--

>"You love her, yes?"

>"I love her, love her a lot. I love her as much as I love you."

>"Saying this is a bit, well, but... Subaru, are you prone to cheating?"

>"I was intending to pretty much keep to one path, but, I don't think a guy who could receive so much devotion and not have their heart stirred would even have blood or tears in them to shed any more."

>Subaru recalled the loop of the past few days, and all the uncompensated love Rem had given him over that time. Receive all that, and how could a heart not be stirred?

>Before he had even noticed it, Rem's existence had taken to occupy a relatively oversized portion of his heart.

>"And just when you went and said you loved me."

>"Just putting this out there, I do love Rem too, but it's Rem's love for me that's crazy. Completely head over heels, it seriously is a mystery."

This is what's making /a/ go crazy, another generic haremshit.

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>>145286179
Fair enough, my bad.

>>145286247
Didn't mean to quote anyone though.

>>145285390
You are right.
Some people seem crazy to me.

>>145282418
the fact that people compare this guy to guts makes me really angry,
like usually I can ignore isekai crap cause its fans stick their own world, but this is crossing the line for me.

>>145285814
or you know, a grown ass man, or at least college level that sees all the teenage as angst as him being a bitch

>>145286247
I guess so many people got into it because episode 1 skipped opening. That OP just screams "maximum haremshit'.

>>145284502
I am glad I am not the only one who notices the fact that the characters are inconsistent and to the most insane shit on a dime all because the writes needs DRAMA to flow endlessly.
It just lacks common sense, cohesion, just asspulls from one drama to the other.

>>145282418
>is dumb enough to ask if something is "worth watching"
>doesn't get what he wants
>complains about it
Ahahahaha oh wow
This feels great for some reason

>>145286143
You are a plain person, I guess, and your actions are monodimensional, uh?

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>>145282418

found the 12 year old

Its incredible to me the lengths re:zero shitters will go to to dismiss any critique of their poorly written show.

>>145282418
What anime is this?

>>145286180
Critique? Its always the same retarded shitposting about Subaru. Always the same. This obsession is becoming obscene and embarrassing.

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>>145286247
>haremshit
>two girls
>one comatose
>the other on unstable ground with him
>yandere veritable satan on his shoulder waiting for the chance to kill the both of them
ANYTHING'S A HAREM IF YOU SHITPOST HARD ENOUGH

There's literally nothing wrong with liking shit.

>>145286516
Works the other way around too. Its obscene and embarassing how people circlejerk this show, especially Subaru, and absolutely refuse to see any of its flaws.

>>145285269
/a/ is by no means the peak of intellectual discussion, but it's far from being compared to any tumblr-esque teenage girl's blog that would discuss Twighlight in the context of being anything other than a shit series.

Threads about Subaru wouldn't be consistently hitting the max post limit if it was a one-sided discussion like Kirito, whom pretty much everyone here already agrees is Gary Stu self-insert garbage. There are plenty of people who defend Subaru's character writing because he's so specifically designed and uniquely flawed that he's just like any person in real life who is hated by some and loved by others.

If a character is liked by everyone, it probably means there's not a lot of depth in their writing.

>>145285455
If you have read and understood the source to a sufficient level than you should be able to explain it to us. Your just embarrassing yourself here.

>>145286568
It's not weird speaking about what we love. Its weird being obsessed over something we hate. This is pathological.

>>145285518
>Meanwhile Re:zero is designed to show the audience how terrifying a world like that really is, not for you to self insert into.
>Candidates loudly bickering amongst one another during a meeting that will decide the future ruler of the kingdom.

Terrifying indeed

>>145286790
>This house is terrible, its made from soap bubbles and will collapse at any second.
>Fuck off, we love this house and its perfect. It has no faults as a house.

>>145286790
It is weird to be obsessed over shittily written show.

>>145286849
I was obviously refering to the dying,

>>145284648
Right now there's 2

>>145284648
There are 2 threads because the episode just came out and retards like to praise seasonal shit just because it's what they're watching.
That's like saying Boku no Pico is a thought provoking, amazing anime because it's a meme. It's just simply not fucking true.

>>145282987
It's not bad by itself, but it can be a problem when you start using people as a tool to stroke your ego and tell yourself what a great person you are. It's what happens with the SJWs - their fundamental intentions are often good, but ultimately they turn it into a nonsensical dick waving contest of moral superiority.

>>145286901
For a show that takes itself seriously and tries to cover serious themes, that candidate scene put me off a lot.

Even though Subaru can be an annoying little shit sometimes, a lot of things other than him could be improved on. (e.g. writing a world or characters that I could actually take seriously.)

The people who complain about Subaru are the same idiots whom were blind-sided by the anti-NEET message in episode 18.

I haven't even read the WN and I actively try and avoid spoilers but I predicted that would happen since way back. The signs were all there.

>Literally have a villain who represents Sloth
>Tells Subaru he's "faking it"
>Subaru giving up on working and learning real life skills at the mansion after the 2nd death
>Other characters call him unambitious
>Deconstruction aspects present since the first fucking episode

You dumbasses have nobody to blame but yourselves because I've been telling you for weeks now, so stop blaming the writing instead of your own inability to critically analyze a story.

>>145287353
The show ruined that scene, though.

>>145286180
Ironic because it's the people who actually defend Re:Zero despite the typical reactionary backlash /a/ has to anything that's popular on Reddit/MAL/Gaia that is a refreshing change of pace from the circlejerk.

SAO, Elfin Lied, Akame Ga Kill, Naruto and the like are all shows that are rightfully maligned here because they're shit shows popular only because of darkness, edge, and cheap shock entertainment.

Re:Zero on the other hand has been a pretty good pleb filter on /a/ to separate the people who only hate those shows because they're trying too hard to fit in, and the people who hate them because they are capable of forming their own reasonable opinions.

It's easy to pretend to like you have elitist taste by defending shows like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, and Serial Experiments Lain because they're obvertly intelligent shows that don't receive hate. True patricians are revealed when a show is both popular AND good, because it exposes who are just the psudo-intellectual hipsters who hate anything popular.

>>145289127
But Re:Zero isn't intelligent or good, overtly or not.

>D-don't worry fampai! He gets better I swear!

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>>145289416
>got he is pathetic
>don't worry he gets better
>next episode comes and he doesn't
>god he is pathetic
>hahaha pleb thats just the build up, NOW he actually gets good
>repeat for years

>>145289127
>SAO, Elfin Lied, Akame Ga Kill, Naruto and the like are all shows that are rightfully maligned here because they're shit shows popular only because of darkness, edge, and cheap shock entertainment.
>implying Re:Shit isn't the same

>>145282647
Yep

>>145289559
Also:

>read the LN, you filthy secondary

ITT: retards who can't self insert


I mean, why the fuck do you self insert anyway, nobody does that unless you're more autistic than Subaru

>>145289127
>write some random bullshit to confuse readers
>parents publishes it
>/a/utists thinks it's deep

Everytime

>>145289738
Of course, how could I forget.
Keep in mind even if you do believe what these people say, then it will take at least a year before the anime gets to a point where he isn't pathetic.

>>145289894
This.
It seems like he at most things 1-3 episodes ahead and the top priority is "how can I make some drama happen"
Retards think it's some deep just because you decide to generate drama at every point.

>>145289300
Any anime that actually uses even a minimal amount of symbolism is pretty much by definition an intelligent show in the medium because it's not exactly like the standard's very high to begin with.

On top of the whole symbolism aspect with the 7 deadly sins, Re:Zero also:

>subverts ridiculous Isekai tropes
>Characters don't have an internal monologue or explain all their actions out loud, the audience is expected to actually analyze them
>Is subtle in general about a lot of things within a medium in which the word "subtlety" is practically an unknown concept
>Has a coherent message which the show had building up patiently for 18 episodes
>Pulled off a successful bait and switch with the show's tone and direction after the first arc without causing writing inconsistencies in the surface story

Definitely meets the criteria of a good show.

>>145290445
Literally bait.

Episode 13 is painful for me.
Fucking hell, I cringed so hard I got a headache.

>>145290649
Literally can't come up with a proper counter-argument without spouting memes

>>145290748
Anon, do yourself a favor, drop it now while you still can.
Check back in like 6 months and see if the show actually got any better.

>>145290800
You are literally taking things wrong with the show, claiming the exact opposite and as if that bait wasn't enough you end your shit bait with
>truly this show is perfection of the highest caliber

You are trying very hard to bait, but seriously fuck off.

>>145290809
I made it this far damn it, I have to try.
>just fucking shouts at her about his achievements at the end of episode 13
Hoo boy.

>>145290889
>Symbolism and subtly are things that are wrong with the show

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Also I never said anything remotely close to
>truly this show is perfection of the highest caliber
I've used the words "Good" and "Above average" to describe it. Never said anything about perfection of the highest caliber or any other fedora-tier statements you're trying to paint me with because you're too stupid to even construct a real argument.

>>145282418
Re:Zero is litterally SAO with kirito being mentally unstable and pathetic all the time

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>>145282691
>implying

I don't see how this is any different than the last 3 times he has resolved himself to change things. Sure he'll take out the whale or whatever this time but then some shit will happen and he'll spiral into despair again until he finds the strength to carry on and try again after dying a few more times.

Shit's just repeating itself. If you've seen the first arc you can see how everything's going to happen.

>subaru is living happily
>oh no someone wants him dead!
>subaru can't take the pressure and dies a few more times!
>how will subaru cope?
>subaru is determined to save the day
>subaru beats the odds!
>stay tuned for the next episode, you'll never guess what happens next!

I thought he was going to become a dark lord of fuck everything up? When does he get powerful?

>>145282647
You've got to be kidding. None of the characters are interesting. Not even likable. I want to punch every one in the fucking face. I feel nothing for Subaru because his "suffering" is so horrible forced. The story also makes even less fucking sense the deeper you get into it. In fact it stopped making sense after the first several episodes.

>>145291546
He's not, that's just a meme

>>145291546
Not for a LONG time. The pieces starrt falling into place soon but there are more conditions to be met before he's really monstrous.

>>145291454
Evangelion is literally Gundam with Shinji being mentally unstable and pathetic all the time

>>145291793

Evangelion is literally Ideon but better.

>>145290445
What tropes does it subvert?
>MC is a NEET
>MC has a special power
>MC is completely useless at everything except some vague shit like "heart"
>MC befriends a cute girl that's the princess of the kingdom
>girls fall in love with him because he's nice
>the world is suspiciously similar to a japanese RPG

>all the VNfags after episode 15
>OHHH SHIT SUBARU'S EYES!!! HE LOOKS SO READY TO FUCK SHIT UP!!! THIS IS IT THIS IS HIS TURNING POINT WHERE HE MANS UP!!!
>episodes after show him after asking others for help and he's still a weak beta MC who cries and whines when he's faced with his own death, despite knowing that every time he dies he can reset the whole thing

>>145291432
>Also I never said anything remotely close to

>>145291874
>After episode 18
>19 is when the show REALLY starts

>>145291958
>After episode 19
>20 is when the show REALLY starts

>>145282418
Evere arc is a fucking Namek and the shameless mat that people call Rem is disgusting.

>>145292033
>After episode 20
>21 is when the show REALLY starts

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>>145291454
>vidya gaem story made entirely to appeal to gamers is the same as a fantasy story about growth through trauma

>>145292033
>Season ends
>Third cour is when shit REALLY goes down
>Just read the LN, dude

>>145282418
It is worth watching. It isn't worth self-inserting tho.

>>145292099
>After episode 21
>22 is when the show REALLY starts

>>145283232
>you don't like a shitty selfish MC who ruins everything around him with his garbage attitude so you must like to self-insert!
Well, to be fair, yes.

>>145291874
>VNfags

>>145282418
OK

>>145291867
>MC is a NEET
NEET being able to cruise through an alternate world when they can't do so in real life is exactly what's getting subverted/deconstructed
>MC has a special power
Power isn't his, it's Satella's and she specifically chose somebody incompetent Like him so she can easily manipulate him
>MC is completely useless at everything except some vague shit like "heart"
You obviously haven't even watched the show. This is a non-existent criticism
>MC befriends a cute girl that's the princess of the kingdom
Literally anybody could befriend Emilia because she's really nice
>girls fall in love with him because he's nice
One girl, only one girl has ever fallen in love with him because she had low self-esteem. She gets erased later too, and he still hasn't added anyone else to his "Harem"
>the world is suspiciously similar to a japanese RPG
Because it's subverting Isekai you tard

>>145285146
It was painfully manipulative.

Why is Aldebaran such a bro?

>>145292118
>retard goes into fantasy world
>retard meets hotties
>retard is special from everybody else in the fantasy world

>>145283081
Lame, stop it.

>>145283954
Well, based on past events he is right about being worried.

Like i already said. Re Zero is just Waifu Wars and Edge for edges sake. I guess only anime beginners around the age of 16 would consider it more than a 6/10. It seems to be perfect for the Otaku crowd tho, they also watch all the other shit that comes out so no suprise that to them Re Zero is deep and well written and not just suffering porn.

>>145284648
This

>>145290445
>Pulled off a successful bait and switch with the show's tone and direction after the first arc
I don't understand

>>145284264
>>145284162
Just stop your self-insert idiocy.

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>>145285390
The reason Subaru is hated is because he's just like most of /a/.

>>145294079
No, this is a stupid meme.

>>145286247
>Re:zero
>harem

>>145293172
>>145293172
>retard goes into fantasy world
Retard proceeds to struggle in fantasy world until he can learn how to stop being a retard
>retard meets hotties
Only one actually wants his cock and she gets whale'd
>retard is special from everybody else in the fantasy world
He has return from death and that's it. He can't even choose his revival checkpoints. Anybody stronger than a common mugger can fuck his shit up, and he has no talent for magic.

The reason why Subaru experiences increased challenge and suffering compared to the real world is to basically erase any advantage return from death gets him. Essentially, he can't succeed in this new world any more than his old one until he fixes the flaws that were holding him back in real life. His special power isn't gonna let him bullshit himself through obstacles.

>>145294079
No no NO NO YOU CAN ONLY HATE YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU ARE SHIT! How DARE you disagree with me?!

>watching 13 episodes of shit because someone tells you to

>>145291081
That is a very normal reaction when you feel like you sacrificed everything for someone and they don't acknowledge it.

>>145289300
Yeah, whatever. Don't reply to an interesting post with your bullshit. At least provide some explanation.

>>145294309
She was right, though; everything he had done he HAD done for himself. That's why he reacted that way.

>>145293741
>Re Zero is just Waifu Wars and Edge for edges sake.

You're using the exact same criticisms thrown at Evangelion.
If they are right or wrong is up to you, but maybe you should find new buzzwords if you want to be taken seriously.

>>145286568
Everyone that likes Re:Zero knows and acknowledges Subaru's and the show's faults. This clearly shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

>>145294423
So?

>>145294151
Most /a/nons are mentally unstable NEETs who are sad and desperate for a girl they pursue endlessly.
If you haven't noticed the waifu threads, endless shitpost battles, and love for NEET shows where the NEET is successful like Konosuba.

>>145294438
Very few people criticize Eva for being edgy for no reason. The go to meme critique for Eva is the religious symbolism.

>>145292756
>NEET being able to cruise through an alternate world when they can't do so in real life is exactly what's getting subverted/deconstructed
What are you, fucking retarded? Ever fucking isekai does that.
A NEET that is useless in the real world becomes a hero in an alternate one, it's fucking cliché.
>Power isn't his, it's Satella's and she specifically chose somebody incompetent Like him so she can easily manipulate him
It doesn't matter whose power it is, it's something that only a few have, and MC was chosen so he's special.
>You obviously haven't even watched the show. This is a non-existent criticism
The only thing he showed proficiency is at sewing and doing exercises.
>Literally anybody could befriend Emilia because she's really nice
Yeah but MC did, not anyone.
>One girl, only one girl has ever fallen in love with him because she had low self-esteem. She gets erased later too, and he still hasn't added anyone else to his "Harem"
She falls in love with him because he's nice to him, that's it.
>Because it's subverting Isekai you tard
That's not how subversion works, perhaps you should learn the meaning of words if you want to use them.

>>145294423
Yes and he's like a 16 year old kid who thinks he fell in love. If you died hundreds of times trying to save the person you love, and they just drop you (even though they are technically right) it hurts like a motherfucker.

t. I was like Subaru at one point

>>145292864
for u

>>145294550
You are correct about LE RELIGION being the go to meme, but Eva is inherently an edgy show that is trying to "break barriers" by doing crazy shit.

I have seen the word "edgy" used thousands of times to criticize Eva.

>>145283128
What? All I saw was a guy trying hard to get attention and trying to be a hero.

>>145282861
Suffer for waifus you just met in a fantasy world is to look in the mirror? You're crazy.

>>145286408
> Characters inconsistent
I can't even bother.

>>145286778
Ok, another anon here. Do you want his backstory? I'll start from there and you piece together the puzzle.

>>145294762
Of course, whatever you say.

>>145295523
Don't bother, it won't make a difference, I assure you.

>>145295720
Shitposters are gonna shitpost

>>145282418
>Marathoned this shit from eps 1 til eps 17
I'm on the verge of dropping this. His character become complete dick after ceremony episode.

How does Remfag hating Emilia, anyway? She did nothing wrong too.

>>145294584
>What are you, fucking retarded? Ever fucking isekai does that.
Do you lack reading comprehension? I said that trope was the one getting subverted/deconstructed because Subaru is NOT cruising through his new world. He's flailing around pathetically not solving shit because his flaws are inhibiting him.

>It doesn't matter whose power it is, it's something that only a few have, and MC was chosen so he's special.
There is nothing inherently special about Subaru. He wasn't "chosen" for any particular reason other than he has a few personality traits and flaws that make it convienent for Satella to use him. There are thousands of other Subaru's out there, which is literally the point the author is trying to make. Subaru represents all those NEETs out there which think they would just cruise through a fantasy world when they can't even cruise through the real world.

>Yeah but MC did, not anyone.
Because she's a half-elf. She's friends with Subaru, but she doesn't want his dick. Being friends with a cute girl isn't some kind of impossible task.

>That's not how subversion works, perhaps you should learn the meaning of words if you want to use them.
Yes it fucking is. Re:Zero picks on the aspects of Isekai which are wish-fulfillment garbage pandering to NEETs, not the premise of fantasy world itself, otherwise there's nothing to even subvert or deconstruct.

>>145295765
Keep watching.

They've taken too long to develop Subaru and the plot, but it gets better anon.

>>145295630
He feels earnest when people acknowledge him. They acknowledge him, he acknowledges them back. They see Subaru as great, he sees them as great too.

>>145283896
>You have to admire/respect Subaru getting back up after he got his shit beaten by Julius during that fight.
you have no idea what he was doing in that fight

Subaru was trying to get beaten to death by Julius. He knew he fucked up and was hoping for a rebirth and a better save point. He was embarrassed, angry and in general too cowardly to kill himself. So he reasoned if he kept getting up eventually Julius would kill him.

He was irritated when learning upon waking up he had not died.

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>NANI?! you think my Mc is shit? IT MUST BE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SELF-INSERT
it's not like mc can be badly written or something

>>145294438
What? Who talks about eva like that. Eva is a fine show that paved the way for many others. Re Zero is just that what i said. No character development and plot progression. Just a character suffering due to stupid desicions and cute Girls left and right for some reason. Also dont forget to make these cute girls suffer in graphic ways, then how else could we feel something for them.

>>145295924
Leave him alone. Don't bother with someone who can't even understand what he reads.

>>145284607
Kirito can literally do everything. He has too many skills to perfect all at once. Great swordsman dojo, great progammer too (His shit to save Yui is god tier), and is so charismatic every girl is jumping on his dick.

>>145295058
>>145295952
>season 1 is nothing
>season 2 is where it REALLY kicks off
>season 2 is nothing
>season 3 is where it REALLY kicks off

>>145296306
Feel free to miss out then.
>implying

>>145296306
What do you want us to say? Fuck off, if you don't like it.

>>145296351
>Hey, want this spikey baseball bat?
>what the fuck NO!
>oh, feel free to miss out

>>145295983
Dammit guys, is Subaru for self-insert or is he not? decide at once.

>>145296421
>not wanting a spikey baseball bat

>>145295952
I'm that guy.
>They've taken too long to develop Subaru and the plot, but it gets better anon.
Really? How much episodes this anime have?
Will it end satisfyingly?

>>145282418
yeah, I already dropped it as well because of him

I guess to like subaru you have to be a neet loser who likes wish fulfillment

>>145282418
>shitting on a character before the series has finished
before eva finished I hated shinji
before katanagatari finished i hated le no-sword swordfighter sperg
just enjoy the show now while it is still running and shit on the character when it's done. let me tell you, you will still get to shit on subaru when it is done, but until then, just watch it or don't.

>>145282418
This shit is Steins gate meets Demon Souls but shittier.

>>145296428
He is someone many Otaku/Virgins can relate to, due to him being pathetic and failing in life. This probably hits close to home for them.
But is also a positive self insert due to him being super fit and good looking, having no social anxiety for some reason, being able to talk to cute girls with no trouble and him being surrounded by a bunch of cute girls in a fantasy world in which one also already loves him.

>>145296615
>>145296615
UP YOUR ASS

>>145296021
>No character development

God this is such a retarded statement. You probably think good character development is Gohan just GETTING MAD enough to dig in to his power to beat Cell.

Re:Zero is literally all about Subaru's growth as a character. It's just deliberately slow because that's how it is in real life. Changing yourself doesn't happen overnight.

Kaiji is the same way. He can tap in to some temporary willpower to solve a challenge, but he never overcomes his fucking gambling degeneracy which keeps landing him in to shitty situations in the first place.

>>145296021
I hear the given criticisms all the time man, do you live under a rock?

>>145296831
You really have no right to tell someone to not complain especially on /a/.

>>145297010
fuck yeah, kaiji. that shit was fire
>english localization of the manga when

>>145296831
You need to enjoy that spikey bat up your ass, and only after the brutal destruction of your ass is complete can you say you don't like it.

>>145297059
but do I really not? because this is an environment that breeds all sorts of differing opinions, just as you have the right to complain, I have the right to counter you. I'm just saying not to spoil the fun for everyone else just because it isn't YOUR type of fun. You know, some people like black coffee, but others don't after all.

>>145297010
If you kill character left and right just for the sake of edge and the thrill without making the characters develop after those events in a realistic manner you just lost. Cause then you are nothing more than a trashy C movie. Mirrai nikki territory.

>>145297010
Not that guy, but the problem here is not that he has no character development. The real problem with this show is how god awful it is written. His flaws and the world are all written for the sake of making him suffer.

>>145297099
that is why I added "watch it or don't" at the end. if you are gonna watch it, enjoy it and don't waste your time complaining until the end (if it's still bad by then, it very well may be). if not, fuck off.

>>145296428
He's self-insert for NEETs with awareness of their problems.

Self-insert is just an empty buzzword anyway. You can self-insert as literally any character you want.

What Subaru ISN'T is wish-fulfillment.

>>145297179
>>145297218
This.

>>145282914
>>145283150
>and has beautiful girls wanting to jump on his dick for no reason other than he's the mc.
>that makes everyone fall for him


Why do I see this every thread. 90% of the female cast either hates him or thinks he's worthless.

>>145289648
Regardless of Re:Zero's issues its miles ahead of those shows because Subaru not a sue like Kirito, degenerates into a sue like Naruto, or is an empty husk like Kirito, Lucy, and Tatsumi

>>145295924
>Do you lack reading comprehension? I said that trope was the one getting subverted/deconstructed because Subaru is NOT cruising through his new world. He's flailing around pathetically not solving shit because his flaws are inhibiting him.
Except he is, he has a special snowflake power that allows him to make everything okay, it's just a matter of how many times he'll have to die.

>There is nothing inherently special about Subaru.
I don't give a fuck about how lame he is, he was chosen by the witch and has a special power granted to him so he's special, stop grasping at straws like a fucking moron.

>Because she's a half-elf. She's friends with Subaru, but she doesn't want his dick. Being friends with a cute girl isn't some kind of impossible task.
No, but it is literally one of the first clichés he mentions on the first episode.
>Yes it fucking is. Re:Zero picks on the aspects of Isekai which are wish-fulfillment garbage pandering to NEETs, not the premise of fantasy world itself, otherwise there's nothing to even subvert or deconstruct.
It doesn't subvert shit because at the end of the day you just know Subaru will put things right thanks to the power someone gave him.
At the end of the day, it's another run-of-the-mill isekai in which an useless NEET enters a world and saves everyone with his power and makes girls fall in love with him.
>inb4 "b-but he doesn't do anything, he just pleads for help!"
It doesn't matter because at the end of the day he's the one that allows it to happen.

>>145295964
Wait is that like some LN shit I don't know about? That would make that scene a lot better if that were true.

13 was painful as hell but it was probably the best episode, I liked Subaru but I thought he would continue to get away with his behavior and terrible mindset but it bites a chunk out of his ass instead.

The story could still work while focusing on the other characters, they all have their own goals and motivations and don't just orbit the protagonist. Even then the one character that does exactly that is has been carrying the show.

>>145297810
No, being different doesnt make you good. Subaru is a retarded Mc who doesnt act how a human would after witnessing his own deaths and those of his friends many times. He is totally written to act stupid just so the author can put him into more suffering situations. At least till episode 18 thats what happened.

>>145297218
>His flaws and the world are all written for the sake of making him suffer.

The entire world is pretty much designed to have Subaru experience character development and/or draw contrast to his character, but that's not an example of bad writing.

Subaru is Re:Zero. He is the show. It's not a fantasy world plot-driven thriller at it's core, it's essentially a symbolic story of self-realization and overcoming personal flaws. Everything else is just a plot device to enable his character to grow.

The suffering that occurs isn't for cheap drama, but to have the audience explore Subaru the person in an indirect and subtle way.

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>>145298079
If he suddenly became competent he'd become a pariah like Kirito.

Its either be a fucktard or everything wrong with self-indulgence pictured here and depressingly the former is the lesser of two evils. Like how being an Erza is a lesser evil than a Naruto woman or Asuna

>>145297721
He has the cutest girl falling for him, the other one kinda interested and other than that he is surrounded by a bunch of other cute girls. If that isnt every otakus/virgins dream. Its total wish fulfilment. He doesnt even have the redeeming qualities that would make all the girls feel attracted to him except for being good looking which is also a desired trait by the target audience.

>>145298385
But anon it's not wish fulfillment because Ram and the loli are rude towards him!

>>145298163
Right now you are trying to sell me shit and it is not working.

>>145298163
>subtle way.
screams, tears, blood, gore, edgy, more screams, pain, suffering, and more screams again, again and again.

there's no development, just shock value.

>>145297179
That's funny. Since when I see death, I see how far until death that people can go. I see modus operandi, struggles until death, clues.
>>145298385
That's being ignorant at this point. Emilia is only nice and not really interested, she's dense. And I don't recall all those girls revolving around him.

>>145282418
>Unbearable
>Made it 13 episodes in

Anon just stop.

>>145284648
Funny thing is that /A has some shit adoration fetish with Felix when he's probably the most shallow character on the show. Some faggot ass shoujo trap only adored by the same low key homosexuals who think gender swapping is kinky.Subaru's character reveal and development wasn't done exceptionally well and could have justified his obsessive behavior more than just have an outrageous whenever things don't go his way and that is the writers fault. I've only read summaries about the wn and even then some parts are not convincing. All in all, I'm glad that Subaru compulsive and ignorant character in the midst of all these perfect and immaculate people. Subaru is Re:Zero and probably the most original character in seasonal anime in a long time, even though his writer shafted the story a long time ago. /a/ is fucking retarded. I'm glad our tastes and thought processes are different.

>>145298696
>there's no development, just shock value.
Don't forget forced drama

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>>145298825
What? Felix is just treated as the fap fodder he is.

>>145291612
Agree whole heartedly with your first couple points. I think this show is garbage and Don't really see what other see in it. At least its better than Konosuba.

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>>145296875
>He is someone many Otaku/Virgins can relate to, due to him being pathetic and failing in life
So is Satou, but nobody complains about him being a self-insert. "Self-insert" is just a retarded buzzword that people like to throw at things they don't like, it's in the same ballpark as "edgy" or "pretentious".

>>145282418
Honestly the entire series became cringe videos, subaru is like the chris chan of MCs

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Okay, can someone please explain to me what happened here? Did she get so pissed because him licking her foot was essentially equivalent to him being disloyal to Emilia? And what was the deal with the Kansaiben girl? Both her and Priscilla had these monologues about how he was retarded for asking for help, but I didn't really get why.

PS: sorry, I'm probably just retarded.

>>145284165
You're delusional if you truly believe that episode was good. A conversation where everything that was said was in 4 minutes, but repeats multiple times for about 10 more minutes is not good. The only good part of that episode was the actual shit that happened at the beginning.

>>145299251


He was prideful in her eyes, something she liked, she wanted him to get flustered and refuse her multiple times.

>>145299251
seems pretty up front to me anon
just take what she goes on about at face value
subaru is acting pathetic

>>145298696
> Edgy
Do you need a dictionary? And actual one? And do you need to take ESL classes for the inability to use capitals?
> No development
I see no reason to argue with someone unable to use proper sentence.
> lots of screams
How many times has it occured, like 4-5 times?
>>145298960
> Inability to use periods.
I see you also need lessons.
>>145299023
With your sentences, I can see why you are blind.

>>145299251
All the princesses are entitled little bitches.

>>145299324
>With your sentences, I can see why you are blind.
Ah, so nothing. Good to know its just other's shit taste.

Imo youre all a bunch of stupid idiots

>>145299251

This scene showcased his social ineptness pretty well. The most sure thing he knew about Priscilla was her pridefulness. One of the best episodes.

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>>145299318
>>145299342
One is reply b8 the other is an autist. Figure out which one.

>>145299342
Anastasia had a good reason for fucking with him, Julius had to deal with a lot of shit for trying to teach him a lesson and she wanted information on Crusch. At least she was nice enough to throw in a carriage for his trouble.

>>145298825
>Subaru is Re:Zero and probably the most original character in seasonal anime in a long time
Original? It is not because the concept of the character is good, that his development will be also good. People learn things from mistakes, Subaru does not learn anything. Suffering is his single function.

>>145297821
>Except he is, he has a special snowflake power that allows him to make everything okay, it's just a matter of how many times he'll have to die.

His power didn't allow him to erase all the embarrassing shit he pulled at the castle, nor does it stop Rem, the one girl who actually IS infatuated with him, from getting erased later on.

I'm not gonna even bother quoting all your other points individually because you're basically making the same argument over and over.

Shinji is born an exceptionally talented Mech pilot, Kaiji is a strategically brilliant gambler, Light has the power to kill people with a book, Kyon is singled out by Haruhi who is a god; You can argue they are all special snowflakes, but that doesn't make you a shitty character. What makes you shitty is when you're just unexplainably good at everything for no reason at all like Kirito.

He has return by death because otherwise you wouldn't have a fucking show. You're just bashing the concept of extraordinary skills or powers in general, instead of how they're used.

>>145299466
I don't even understand why he got so mad at that, at that point he didn't give a fuck about Crusch.

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>>145299324

>>145299486
>People learn things from mistakes, Subaru does not learn anything
He used to learn. Then he just stopped.

>>145299324
Your vision is very superficial, doesn't surprise me that you like Re:Zero.
>How many times has it occured, like 4-5 times?
You're kidding, right?

>>145299301
I can see that.

What I still don't really understand is why both she and Anastasia called him greedy, when - as he explained to both of them - he's just there trying to find a way to save people.

>>145299415
Yeah, so she gets mad at him for doing what she wanted? I don't really get it. I suppose she liked his outbursts before and, seeing that he had changed, got pissed off? Still, I don't think i get it.

>>145298385
Rem is a maid. She may be the cutest but she's the lowest in terms of social status and the only one that currently loves him.
>Ram has a hard on for clown man
>Priscilla doesn't like him
>Crusch doesn't care about him
>Anastasia doesn't care about him
>Felt obviously likes him since he helped her out, but she's never around
>Emilia obviously cares about him but isn't romantically interested currently.

And none of them "orbit" around him besides Rem. The only reason I could see it seeming that way is because we're, y'know, seeing it from his perspective; so all we see is his interactions with them.

>>145299496
>He has return by death because otherwise you wouldn't have a fucking show.
Plot Convenience. The show is full of it just for the sake of forced drama.

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>>145299486
>Subaru does not learn anything. Suffering is his single function.
You're forgetting that Re:Zero isn't done yet and the episode 18 was literally the episode where he finally gets his act together. You're saying he doesn't learn but that's only because the episode that shows it hasn't happened yet.

>>145291492
>Shit's just repeating itself
this is literally happening

>>145299395
It means you are unable to look at anything judging from your terrible sentences. Look at this:
> its
I pity you, you cannot see, so you assume.

>>145299583
useless character
rei ayanami rip-off

>>145299496
>His power didn't allow him to erase all the embarrassing shit he pulled at the castle, nor does it stop Rem, the one girl who actually IS infatuated with him, from getting erased later on.
So what? Nobody died from him sperging out at the castle and you know that he's going to cure Rem eventually.
Any conflict that arouses he'll always solve it because he has a special ability, that's the biggest cliché there is.
And I never said that's the reason why he's a shit character, I said that because you seem obsessed with the idea that this anime is a masterpiece that subverts all the tropes and clichés of the genre when at most it's just an odd take at them, but they're mostly all there in some way or the other.
In the first episode when he enters the world he has a few scenes going over those clichés and seeing how they're not applying, funnily enough later you see how all of them eventually happen, from the "being summoned by a girl" one to the "having a special power" one.

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>>145299766
>rei ayanami rip-off

Huh? Is it because of the blue hair?

Idiots.

>>145299537
But if he learned form his mistakes, WHERE WOULD ALL THE DRAMA COME FROM?! I need some reason for drama you see, retards think it's deep and shit.

>>145298717
I dont care its still a dream for otakus to be with all these cute girls. If that wasnt the case they wouldnt be selling that much merch just on those characters alone. People also wouldnt be that mad about ep 18 if it wasnt about waifu ships.

>>145299722
18 FUCKING EPISODES
And the author seems to be more and more having fun in making the character suffer.

>>145299486
Subaru does learn though. All of Episode 18 was literally devoted to the fact that he was finally aware of some of his issues.

>>145299789
>Any conflict that arouses he'll always solve it because he has a special ability

His special ability doesn't allow him to fix this problem. His actions had lasting consequences, created conflict, and came about because of his character flaws. Re:Zero is mediocre but I can't diss this development. Ep 12/13 was a step in the right direction for his character.

>>145299913
It has to be, considering they have no other similarities.

>>145299537
He's having trouble learning because the reason he plays hero is called into question even though it is clearly the right thing to do. His actions thus far are more or less right but he has poor reasons for playing hero and is always seeking pity, rewards and the easy way out.
What he has to accomplish to get his happy ending means he needs to become a far better person than he is now. He doesn't become that person over night and the show details his struggle through his complexes and his denial.

>>145299991
Well considering that is literally all the author knows how to do, he is going to milk the drama as much as possible.

>>145300007
He was aware of them even before he came to that world. The issue is that he never did anything about it and what do we get? More words words words about wow I hate myself :< such drama

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>>145282418
Joke's on you - I skipped episode 13 and am only better for it.
All of your opinions are objectively shit. Burn in hell.

>>145299789
>Any conflict that arouses he'll always solve it

Like literally ANY MC. Doesn't matter what anime you're watching the MC will always find a way to solve his problems. If it wasn't for his Return by Death, he'd have another power because if he didn't he would literally die first episode and it would be over. The MC will always have some special thing that helps him accomplish his goals but it's not about knowing the that he wins it's about HOW he goes across it.

>>145300071
His reason for playing hero was established as him caring about the people he meets. Then it was half assedly retconned for no other reason than to give him something to agonize about.

>>145291492
>he thinks it will just continue being the safe formula over and over again.

>>145299712
>Plot convenience.

Have you ever written anything. If nothing is convenient to the plot then you have no plot. To be honest I've always thought Re:Zero was pretty good in that regard. It's a large world with a lot of characters that have their own secrets and motives that happen to intersect and create conflict. You know, the way it should be?

It's not like Durarara where everyone is a fucking super detective and constantly know what everyone else is doing at all times.

>>145299789
From the picture other people dropping spoilers are painting even if he gets Rem back it won't be a complete victory, and there is a lot of foreshadowing even now that his use of his ability and infatuation for Emilia are leading to really really bad things further down the line.

I dunno, I don't think this story is good for "subverting tropes" or anything. I just think it's a really well written story with some new and interesting ideas.

>>145299038
Dont even compare those two wtf is wrong with you. The show deals with his struggles as an anti social person in a smart, funny and at times tragic way. Satou feels like a real person would. Subaru is just a plot device made for suffering. NEET is just a useless gimmick to excuse his stupid behaviour. Also nothing bad about satou being a self insert he is a relatable character whereas subaru isnt, cause he doesnt act human.

>>145300201

Not retconned, it was just poorly established.

>>145299637
> He didn't get to scream in pain in arc 1
> He screamed when it was in arc 2 where he died by Rem and woke up from the after-effects screaming from that.
> Screamed in pain when his leg was cut off and Ram screamed to kill him.
> Demon beasts and Rem roared at him when he was acting as bait.
> In arc 3, he was screaming at Betelgeuse.
> He was in terror from the Hakugei.
Not all much there. That's it.

>>145299913
>quiet voice
>unexpressed emotions
>at first rejects the MC
>behaves like a soulless doll
+ short and blue hair

and I still don't understand why she had changed her personality so quickly. yes, subaru helped her, but now she seems already in love with him. when shinji helped rei, she didn't sucked his dick right after.

>>145299991
I think the reason why he made it so fucking long for Subaru to finally get his shit together is because it makes the payoff much more satisfying. It's like if you were fighting a boss that you beat in the second attempt versus a boss that you beat after 40+ attempts. The latter leaves you with a more satisfying feeling.

>>145299324
Well, that was a fail. Just showed everyone that you cant construct arguments to defend the show, so now you resort to pointing out faulty grammar.

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>>145299764
Your head is so far up ITS own ass.
Done replying to you, enjoy your shit taste.

>>145300374
>unexpressed emotions
you fucking what
shit post lad

>>145300271
No, I'd say it was pretty distinctly and deliberately retconned.
The first half of the series establishes that he cares and then the second half suddenly starts telling him that he doesn't.
I don't think a legitimate argument can be made that they set him up as really only being in it for the praise, that's just something the narrative started claiming halfway through even though it had provided no prior evidence of that.