why the hell would I want to watch a show about two attractive

>>145147813
Because there might be touching or interesting moments, there isn't a need to self-insert in everything, just enjoy it sometimes for what it is, entertainment.
And not a way to affirm your lifestyle.

>>145148645
>Because there might be touching or interesting moments
nah it's fuckin anime versions of chad and stacy

fuck you anno, how could you make evangelion and then this shit

>>145147813
Self-Inserting into anything other than porn. Why the fuck.

>>145148738
He just keeps letting you down, letting you down, letting you down?

>>145148738
He hates you for loving Rei, otaku-kun.

I heard that Anno stopped directing the show at some point and that it turns to shit after his departure. Is that true and at what episode is that?

>>145149938
but I love asuka

she's a shitty flawed human being just like shinji and I think two awful human beings can come together and make a happy relationship (that should never have children)

>>145147813
I would be ok with it if they werent smart

But i cant self insert like that either fuck

>>145150371
Tsurumaki took over. It's still good.

>>145147813
Then watch Watamote, it's the closest to real life

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>>145148738
Anno is a meme, you dumbasses keep falling for it.

>>145151524
Anno is a god, every move he makes is calculated genius

>>145152311
Tell that to the rebuilds...

>>145152384
The Rebuilds just prove the point.

>>145147813
>I didn't pass high school english because I didn't understand any of the concepts
I'm so sorry, anon, life must be hard

>>145151524
Anno memes his way through interviews

>>145151524
>>145152517
That's not even an interview. That's from that TV special where he was teaching kids for a day. He's literally talking to children.

'Anno' means 'Year' in latin, and Hideaki is 4-5-20 in Gematria. Therefore in our timeline, second impact will occur on 4th of May, 2020.

>>145152668
He actually does add a bunch of crosses and shit because its western and cool. EVA is only well known for its art and direction

>>145147813
>kare kano will forever be soiled because of the autistic author sperging out
It hurts to live.

>>145152776
Yes, when this one, single man sat down and animated the entire series, plus films, himself, he added the crosses in a spur of the moment decision.

>>145147813
You can't self insert because you're not Japanese and the pressure to be perfect isn't as strong. Being perfect is only meant to emphasize their pressure to be perfect (although self imposed) which is the relatable part. These types of high stress people don't find love that easily in real life.

>>145147813
>not interested in actual character flaws
>not interested in characters that feel like real people

People like you are the reason why we keep getting this loser NEET otaku wish fulfillment garbage.

>tfw don't self insert in anything and actually enjoy the shows for what they are, if they are good

Feels good desu. Sometimes a show makes me reflect on my life but never I self inserted in a character, it sounds too pathetic even for me. Like I know who I am, I could never project my person on any character because I know how different I am from those, this level of delusion just wouldn't work for me

btw Kare Kano becomes a bit generic after ep 4 so I dropped it. Maybe I will pick it up some day idk

>>145153068
I don't want 'real people', I have enough of those on my job.

>>145147813
>watching a literal slut
Trash show to be honest

>>145147813
Because they are a facade. They are popular because they don't show themselves the way they really are. When they meet each other they decide to drop the act and be themselves. Even if you weren't popular, you surely know how it feels to lie about yourself hoping that others will like you.

>>145150371
It was a whole mess. Yes, at a point he left, but the show was still really funny. Then, one of the last chapters (I think 23) was directed by an outsider who had no clue about was going on, and it's about the sisters. Finally Anno came to finish the series.
This anime is fucking great, it's a must-see in its genre, and probably a must-see anime altogether.

>>145153288
Nah, I was cold as ice, none of that fake shit with me, if you wanted something from me, state your intention clearly and we'll talk business.
Being considerate is just a waste of energy.

>>145151524
You're such an idiot that I'd be literally wasting my time if I actually argued with you. So I'll simply insult you. There.

>>145147813
Do you even need to

>>145153098
Me too anon, I can't delude myself about who I am and there's no character I could ever 100% agree with and see myself in.

>>145153423
No, you

>>145153408
You've never put on a mask for any interaction with anyone? Not even a teacher or boss?

>>145153098
Shows and tales and art in general are based on others' life experiences. It's only natural that some aspects of a few characters might resonate with our own lives, whereas many other won't. Anyone who says he's "100%" like a given character is an idiot desperate to be accepted, and probably is like the character only on the surface. You might LIKE a character in its entirety, that's another thing altogether.
That being said, we all probably have one or two characteristics of either Arima or Miyazawa, if not we might have a few similarities to someone of the supporting cast, since the characters in this series are pretty heterogeneous. Each to its own degree, some might be very similar, some might just resemble a little.

>>145153644
He might be too dense to notice it. Don't waste your time.

>that episode where they burn the animation cels during the credits
Absolute madmen.

This show really is a must watch. Just be aware that as opposed to ending, the show just stops.
I'd describe the show as an intentional, choreographed trainwreck.

Outside of people obviously using it as a joke, is this whole "self-insert" concept entirely a meme or can people honestly not watch a series unless they can project onto its protagonist?

>>145152500
Who are you quoting? What does that greentext even mean? The OP has a much better grasp of the English language than you do, ESL-kun.

>>145153962
I tried watching the italian dub when I was younger with my sister.
Didn't see anything in it at the time.
Is the nip audio better?

>>145154066
There's nothing grammatically wrong with that sentence.

STOP SELF INSERTING

STOP

SELF

INSERTING

>>145154093
The nip is nothing special but it's not bad or anything.
Just know what you're getting into. The story is mostly generic high school romcom but the presentation is what sets it apart.

>>145153962
They were adapting a manga. They wanted to make it funnier. The manga, although it has funny moments, is more drama oriented. Creative differences between Gainax and the mangaka arose, so the second Season didn't happen. They had to somehow ending it in any case, because it was chapter 26 and that was it. And the idea of a "loop", of everything that happened between Miyazawa and Arima beginning anew between Tsubaki and Takefumi, is brilliant IMHO. I do know that my view of that finale is something almost no one agree with though. But given the circumstances, I liked the way it finished.

>>145154236
I knew it was an adaptation but not the rest. Glad they decided to make it funnier because it would have been thoroughly mediocre otherwise.

>>145154402
Yeah, I finished the whole manga, and for moments the drama was so... forced. As if the author wanted your empathy towards the character at any cost: "hey, you should like this guy, see all that he's going through". Empathy happens naturally with well written characters, not because drama is shoved in our face. Evidently Anno and Gainax understood this better, so even if the drama is there and is what keeps everything moving, the humor takes a little bit more of relevance when whatever is happening isn't important to the characters development.
I really liked the silly moments of the anime. Specially in Miyazawa's family. I even used to play Uno (a cards game) with my cousins when I was a kid! Kare Kano was a celebration of family, something that doesn't happen so much in anime in general. In most of Shoujo we know only a few things about the family, in Shounen often we don't even know if the main character's parents are even alive. But in Kare Kano at times they become as important as the main characters, and that's awesome.

>>145153373
this

>>145147813
slice of life anime is the only good genre

>>145154971
It WAS good, it was never the only good genre (there's no such thing as that to begin with, good or bad anime is good or bad disregarding the genre), now it's all moe shit.
Kare Kano, for instance, was great, and it was a romantic comedy.

I found the anime inspiring. I wanted to do like them, pretend I were a perfect person, when I watched it.

>>145150371
It does get worse, but it's far from as bad as everyone say. It's still at least as good as the average shoujo romance. You are missing out on a masterpiece if you let that keep you away from it.

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>>145147813

You're not a girl. Girls prefer watching other beautiful girls. But only if they go through a series of failures to 'put them in their place'. Then later overcome those failures to win the guy. The basis for every Hallmark movie ever made.

Kare Kano actually goes against that which is why it has such mixed reviews. And men seem to like it more. Kimi ni Todoke follows the formula more for what girls want to see. As well as having Sawako start off as being plain and unpopular, but gradually overcoming these traits.

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>>145154971

Mahou Shoujo does slice of life better than pure slice of life does.

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>>145154236
>given the circumstances

>>145147813
Lol yeah they're so well off, especially Arima.
Life has always been so easy for him and he's not troubled in the least.
Please kill yourself for posting this weak ass bait

>>145156032
Sawako's character is fucking unbearable. The love interest is too much of a cool guy and I feel partially bad for him for being stuck in that shitshow.

>>145147813
Because it's the greatest love story anime has ever told (just stop after ep 18).

>>145148738
NGE was bad, Kare Kano is Anno's best work.

>>145156072
>>145154971
>>145155136
Slice of life isn't a genre, it's a narrative technique. All of the "slice of life" shows you idiots refer to fall into actual genres such as comedy, iyashikei, drama, romance, etc.

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>>145158706
>greatest love story ever told
That's not Toradora,

>NGE was bad
>Kare Kano is Anno's best work

Anybody know what chapter picks up from episode 18? Or should I just skim from the beginning?
Is episode 19+ really that bad

>>145158944
Toradora is trash.

>>145159126
It doesn't so much get bad so much as it just stops being good. It's not like the production violently explodes or anything, it just kind of lays on the ground and stops moving.

>>145158944
Nothing Anno has written has ever been good. Why do you think he hasn't done any originals other than eva and a few flop live action films? Nobody has faith in his ability to come up with an original story, and I doubt he thinks of himself as a good writer. NGE was just successful because it was unlike anything anybody had ever seen before, not because it was good.

He's a great director, though. His directorial work on Kare Kano was inspired and led Gainax to its now distinct style.

>>145159126
There is really no value to watching past ep 18. A bunch of recap, introducing a couple new characters to set up a plot which never even gets going before the show is cancelled. Also I've never read the manga because I've heard it's a huge mess and gets super fucked up. The anime is supposed to be far better because of all the changes Anno decided to make. Those changes, of course, led to major conflict with the creator over which Anno resigned, and the series was cancelled soon after.

>>145159246
I suppose I'm just worried that the later episodes might sour my experience with the series, which is so far good.

>>145148738
Maybe you should just stop being such a loser. It's your own fault you're one.

>>145158762

>Slice of life isn't a genre
Notice how I didn't call it a genre. And specifically cited how a certain genre usually has better slice of life than show that try to focus on slice of life alone.

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>>145159319
>NGE was a fluke
I love this meme

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>>145157791

Don't know why you dislike her except for her being shy. And even then, she's way better than 99% of 'shy' girls in anime. Then you turn around and think the main male is a 'cool guy' when he's even more shy and scared to act than she is.

The show is basically a story about two shy people who can't admit their feelings. With a ton of good secondary characters to keep it interesting. Its Ah! Megami sama done correctly.

>>145159319
>Why do you think he hasn't done any originals other than eva and a few flop live action films
Did you actually forget entirely about Nadia and fucking Gunbuster?

>His directorial work on Kare Kano was inspired and led Gainax to its now distinct style.
Kare Kano's directorial style is incredibly similar to NGE's.

>>145147813
maybe if you weren't a ugly dumb unfriendly asshole you could.

>>145159646
>Did you actually forget entirely about Nadia and fucking Gunbuster?
I guess I wasn't clear enough? He hasn't CREATED any originals other than eva. The original story for Gunbuster was written by Yamaga and Anno isn't even credited as a writer on Nadia.

The point is that he does great work directing other peoples' stories, but can't write his own stories to save his life (NGE).

>Kare Kano's directorial style is incredibly similar to NGE's.
It obviously has similarities, but in Kare Kano Anno was experimenting with a very distinct new style, the style eventually perfected by his protege Tsurumaki on FLCL (which I really see mostly as a directorial study by gainax) and which would become Gainax's signature.

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>>145159960

>The point is that he does great work directing other peoples' stories, but can't write his own stories to save his life (NGE).
Sometimes its a good thing when a director sticks to directing. Junichi Sato is one of the best directors in anime for this reason. He's good at overseeing the best out of others. Not writing original content. Though he does rework things a lot in the storyboard phase.

And on that note, you need to realize Anno didn't completely write and design Eva by himself. Other people, such as the previously mentioned Junichi Sato, worked on Eva.

>>145157430
OP never said anything about them being well off.

>>145160172
>Anno didn't completely write and design Eva by himself
Of course, but he was in that creator / showrunner role. I definitely agree with everything you're saying. Anno does fantastic work when he's given lots of freedom to direct somebody else's material.

>>145159960
What exactly is your big problem with NGE? What massive writing issues do you feel it suffers from?

Also I don't agree that Kare Kano was a huge departure from Eva's style. There were certainly parts of (comedy scenes mostly) that feel like pretty much nothing like Eva, but most of the more grounded and introspective scenes feel like they were pulled right from NGE's later episodes. FLCL is much more freeform. It shares some visual tricks with Kare Kano but the way the story is told is far less deliberate than Kare Kano.

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>>145147813
>>145148738

Why is self-loathing so fashionable now? You know that that it's not a good thing that you're a fuck up, right?

>>145160348
>story has to be completely reworked in the last couple episodes for budgetary reasons
>retcon the whole climax and finale with a movie because it was such a disappointment
>no massive writing issues

>>145160578
That's a budget issue, not a writing issue.

>>145160484
This wont stop until /a/ understands that they ultimately want to be normalfags

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>>145147813
>I can't self-insert into that
then you should prolly kill yourself
or at least leave /a/ forever

>>145160626
It's the budget impacting the narrative of the show. The end of the show is poorly written, the reason does not matter. Bad writing is bad writing.

Anyway, that's just the most glaring and blatant issue, but Anno manages to fall into just about every trap of a rookie author. If you ignore the intentionally obfuscated plot and just examine the thing as being the sum of its characters, then it becomes pretty apparent that they have no real arc to them. Shinji's story isn't a coming of age story we he grows from an unsure, unstable teenager to something more closely resembling maturity. He's just an unsure, unstable teenager who is eventually given the choice to hit the big reset button and makes his choice based on his unchanged unsure, unstable teenager nature.

So maybe it's not about having some kind of satisfying narrative arc, some kind of growth. Maybe it's just about illustrating what it's like to be a frustrated teenager, constantly pushed around by people, feeling threatened by the weight of the world, by women, by your responsibilities. Okay. Then it's pretty shallow. Do we really need twenty-six episodes of what is ostensibly a character study to show how much it sucks being a teenager?

>>145160626

It was actually a time issue. The show was already airing before they had even finished production. And basically everything after Rei III was being rushed to completion to meet the deadline. Rumor has it that the last episode was finished 2 days before it aired.

>>145161171
>The end of the show is poorly written, the reason does not matter.
Of course it does. If a author is writing a book and suddenly dies before finishing it, the rest of the book does not become poorly written due to the lack of an ending, it's just an unfinished book.

It's not about how it sucks to be a teenager, it's about how much it sucks to be anyone. It's about the difficulty of forming and maintaining relationships with people, and that's what the show focuses on, the relationships. Although the characters themselves don't change that much, the way they interact with each other and their world does, and that's what fuels the drama.

>>145161185
Budget isn't just money, it's time as well.

>>145161470
>If a author is writing a book and suddenly dies before finishing it, the rest of the book does not become poorly written due to the lack of an ending, it's just an unfinished book.
This is a bad analogy. Here's a more accurate one: If the publisher sits the author down and tells them, "you have one hour to write the final act of your book," and the resulting final act is poorly written because of that time constraint, then the fact is that the final act is poorly written. If you're assessing the book critically, the reason does not matter.

i like the last two episodes of nge

>>145161637
Your analogy is better, but it's still clearly unfair to judge the writing of the whole work based on the final portion due to the massive pressures put on the writer during that time that left him unable to realize his vision for the work.

And luckily enough for Eva you do actually get to see the fully realized ending as well, so I fail to see why it's such an issue.

>>145150371
>Anno wanted Kare and Kano to have a comedic atmosphere
>Tsuda wanted Anno to develop the story in the same direction the manga were going darker
>Tsurumaki took the helm as Director and basically kept the same comedic atmosphere Anno left the series as when he exit
At least, Anno went on and adapted Ebichu.

>>145161737

I certainly like the last two episodes more than the movie.

>>145161934
last 2 eps of eva > end of eva
this is my legitimate opinion and i would be very interested to talk about it, i have no idea if this is controversial or not

>>145161976
It's not controversial and I don't hate the last two episodes I just don't think they contain much of what made NGE so memorable.

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>>145160484
>You know that that it's not a good thing that you're a fuck up, right?

>>145161749
Fairness doesn't really enter into it. We're talking about critique. All that matters is the material, not the circumstances of its creation. Having some excuse for the material being bad does not make the material inherently better.

Anyway, we've strayed pretty far from the topic at hand.

The truth is that I watched NGE and EoE once, years ago. I remember that at the time my opinion of it was, "the writing of this thing is a mess. What am I supposed to be getting out of this? Life is hard? Why should I care?" I don't really have the ability to discuss it in much more detail because I honestly don't remember it that well. I just remember that I was not at all invested in any of the characters or any of the events. I should probably rewatch it sometime just so I can do a better job of shitposting about it, I guess.

>>145162061
to me, the freeform psychological elements made it almost dreamlike and reminded me of the best episodes of kare kano

i also felt like the happier mood of them contrasted nicely with end of eva

also, the original episodes had a lot of closure compared to end of eva, which was personally very nice for me as i became quite attached to shinji during the series' run

>>145152845
Are you playing retarded? It's a known fact Anno is agnostic and added the crosses because it looked cool:
>"There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice"
Not to discredit him or anything, I am sure the Freudian symbolism and all were of meaning and to not look cool.

>>145162119
>We're talking about critique. All that matters is the material, not the circumstances of its creation.
>Context doesn't matter
Context is incredibly important. It gives us a huge insight into what informed the creation of the show and what the creators were going for in making it. And although context doesn't make the work any better intrinsically, it does give you a deeper understanding of it, which is the true goal of a critical analysis.

>I should probably rewatch it sometime just so I can do a better job of shitposting about it, I guess.
Don't rewatch shit just so you can shitpost about it. It's fucking dumb. Only go back if you're genuinely curious.

>>145161749
If you hand in a shitty paper because you had to rewrite it when your file got corrupted or deleted, will the teacher give you as good a grade as you could have gotten if your file was intact?

>>145160172
SORE ARU!

>>145162119
>I remember that at the time my opinion of it was, "the writing of this thing is a mess. What am I supposed to be getting out of this? Life is hard? Why should I care?"

I'm currently watching the show for the second time, and that's the exact same opinion I have.

I appreciate the realism of the series' characters, I understand that the reason why they're not likable is because they're not supposed to be, but as a result, like you said, I'm not invested in any of the characters or events that's going on whatsoever.

>>145147813
Even if it was a train wreck, at least it was better than the Manga.

The male MC is so fucking unlikable in the manga. He was coldsteel tier edge.

>>145162130
But it kills the looming, dreadful buildup the series puts together. It drops the action set-pieces that were such an important part of the series. And instead of being about interaction like the rest of the series was, it instead focused on the characters individually, spelling out their issues in the most on the nose and uninteresting way.
I also found EoE to grant much more closure as well. Although the conclusion is surely darker, it also feels far more honest. The series finale feels almost forced in it's untempered optimism.

>>145162367
A good teacher would recognize the circumstances and grant you an extension on your paper or something of that nature.

>>145162494
>I understand that the reason why they're not likable is because they're not supposed to be
Eva's characters aren't really supposed to be unlikable, they're just supposed to be flawed.

>>145160647
Deep

>>145147813
Arima is literally autistic, his emotions are completely faked around everyone except Miyazawa, he doesn't even understand people. He's also somewhat violent and a control freak. Other than the perfect face mind body etc. he's one of the most damaged and realistic anime characters in the medium.

>>145154236
Personally I take episode 24 as the ending, and will always recommend it being watched last. It feels the most like ti resolves some aspect of the internal conflict in Arima as well as draws the whole theme of the anime (into a dream) nicely into the conclusion.

>>145162494

Anno has admitted that he wrote Eva when he was going through full blown depression. And its pretty evident that every single main character in the show is suffering from the same things. Denial, deflection and depression. Even Ritsuko and Gendo fall into this category.

So in that way, it kind of is a one dimensional show. One dimensional in the way that every character has the same flaw. Just a few characters have a different end goal (the ends justify the means is basically Ritsuko and Gendo's entire point in the story).

Guys, let's not waste an oh-so-rare Kare Kano thread by turning into another god forsaken NGE thread.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1470280821093.webm

>>145163070
Sagisu knows how to fuck me up.

>>145163338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Q9gtBmZK8

>>145163070
I only watched this scene a few weeks ago. I was surprised by the impact it had on me.
Then again, other than this, I can't remember a single romance anime that I've watched. Not a single one. Unless the Vision of Escaflowne counts.

The op and ed for Kare Kano has a quality to it that doesn't make me want to just skip it as well.

Didn't Anno actually call up high schools and interview students so he could make the characters more realistic? I recall reading something of the sort in another thread a while back.

>>145163505
Yea Into a Dream is fantastic.

I'm in a similar boat, to other anons, are there other romance anime that are even worth watching?

>>145163534
irregardless of that the characters were probably too adult however his research worked, which is fine because it's better that way. Real teens are stupid as fuck on average.

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>>145163505
>>145163610
Kare Kano is a fucking fantastic romance anime, a real stand out. 95% of "romance" in anime is all the will-they won't-they bullshit, and ends up being the story of how they eventually confess to each other at the end. Kare Kano has none of that, it shows you how and why they connect with each other, how their relationship develops, and how they eventually have sex. It feels real despite being surrounded with wacky comedy hijinks.

To answer your question, I can't think of anything else I would consider "romance anime" which I would also say is worth watching. Don't let anybody tell you that Tamako Love Story is a good romance.

The closest thing I can think of is probably Planetes, which I'd highly recommend regardless. The romance is not the most important part of the show, but it's perfectly handled and very rewarding in the end.

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>>145163655
>irregardless

>>145163840
Sorry, old habit from high school, pops up every once in a while. Though I've yet to see a good argument for why it's not a word other than it being 'incorrect' even though it has existed and been used for centuries.

>>145160578
>>145160626
>>145161171
You are all wrong.
The EoE has always been the intended ending for the series. the TvEnding was done due to time constraints after they had the greenlight for the movie and started production on it but still needed to deliver two ending episodes for the television and had to write a new different script for those two episodes in a rush since they didn't want the TV ending to be the same as the movie that had just been approved.

I don't think Anno's writting is GENIOUS, but hater-kun attempt in completely diminishing it is pure bullshit.

>>145163902
I wouldn't argue whether it is or is not a word. Language is stupid, there are no hard and fast rules on what is or is not correct, it's all just entirely dependent on usage.

But "irregardless" just sounds stupid (to me, and to other people who actually put a lot of stock in words). It's redundant to the point where it negates itself.

The world "regardless" means "without regard," which in the context of how you were using it would mean "whether or not that is actually the case."

The "ir" prefix (along with "il" and "in" depending on context) is used to negate a word.

So if you looked at it logically, "irregardless" would most sensibly mean "with regard," or "taking heed of" or "keeping that in mind." But people use it to mean "without regard." Which is:

1. Inherently confusing. It betrays the accepted lexical rules of the language (which, granted, are often betrayed) by using a prefix on an already suffixed word to mean the opposite of what one would logically expect the word to mean.
2. Of no value. The word "regardless" is already a thing and has none of these problems.
3. Clumsy. The word just sounds dumb, mostly because of using a negation prefix (ir) combined with a negation suffix (less) in a way that is completely superfluous. "Regardless" has the same poetry to it as any other common English word, but "irregardless" is ugly.

I realize this makes me a pedant.

>GENIOUS
Oh, the irony.

>>145164477
as an English major, I thank you for this

>>145148738
This has either got to be one of the most weĺl crafted and subtle pieces of bait, or anon is an idiot
>likes evangelion
>when one of it's core messages was to learn to stop being a useless otaku
>goes on to complain about kate kano
You have me a good giggle familia

>>145164477
Yea that makes sense. I hopefully won't make such a foolish mistake again.

>>145163070

Asuka sucks. And so does Rei. Misato is the only acceptable girl, precisely because of her flaws.

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>>145154134
If I stop self inserting the loneliness will kill me.

>>145165791

Then insert into something external. Like a woman. Or an outlet.

>>145162169
Why can't we just enjoy the show for what it is without trying to squeeze blood from a stone?

>>145159688
if i wasn't a dumb ugly unfriendly asshole I wouldn't be watching anime

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>>145165098
>>when one of it's core messages was to learn to stop being a useless otaku
Was it though?

Because Shinji finally manned up and did the brave thing by rejecting instrumentality. And you know what that got him? Jack shit. The world was still ruined.

The moral of Evangelion is to not even try. Just don't try and you can't be let down or hurt.

Episode 16 of Kare Kano is one of my favorite anime episodes ever. Also the OP is based.

YOUUUUU MAY DREAM

>>145166537
No, he got to feel genuine affection from a person he cared about, and the chance to be happy in the future.

hey I remember reading this it gets weird when the mom shows up and starts kissing her son because he reminds her of the dad. Then he stabs himself ha ha what a feel good manga.

>>145165098

>eva
>core message is an anti otaku message

The core message of Eva is that everyone deals with depression and sadness. And the different ways people react to it, as represented by each character. And then this whole message is made pointless by the movie and rebuilds.

>>145166537

>The moral of Evangelion is to not even try. Just don't try and you can't be let down or hurt.
Except that's Shinji's mentality for the first 2/3 the show and then he goes against it.

>>145166537
>Because Shinji finally manned up and did the brave thing by rejecting instrumentality. And you know what that got him? Jack shit. The world was still ruined.

No humanity still had the chance to rebuild.
Remember, anyone who accepts to face the hardships of reality can and will regain their a.t. field and come out of the lcl ocean.
EoE was not a story of humanity's death but rather it's rebirth from a second eden.
There is nothing but hope in End of Eva's finale.
All has already been returned to nothing, so now all that's left to do for humankind is to move forward and rebuild.

>>145166743
>asuka
>showing him affection
She was disgusted.

>>145167246
I didn't say it was the only core message, I said it was one of them.

>>145167340
She also caressed his face. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>145147813
Maybe you should actually see characters as people rather than tools.

>>145167386
Romantic love and disgust are absolutely mutually exclusive. One compels you to get away and the other draws you near.

>>145167708
They aren't, and that's the whole fucking point of the show. All of the relationships in the show have people who are both drawn together by the affection they feel for one another and pulled apart by the pain they cause for one another at the same time.

>>145167904
>>145167708
>>145167386
>>145167359
>>145167340
>>145167321
>>145167246
see >>145163070

>>145162169
Many people say that the crosses also come from his love of Ultraman. Ultraman's signature technique has him forming a cross with his arms; apparently Ultraman's creator was catholic and did it to honor his religion.

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>>145167246
>and then he goes against it
But going against it didn't net him anything worthwhile.

>>145163070
Beautiful moment.

>>145162106
Wise words.

>>145168334

Except him coming out as the only survivor when everyone else around him was destroying themselves from the inside out. Ironically, Shinji, the depressed little boy at the start of the show, comes out as the only sane person at the end. At least in the TV version. Of course in the movie they just throw that into the trash and make everyone go crazy.

>>145163610
Kodomo no Omocha is usually regarded as one of the best romance anime from the same decade as Kare Kano. I read the manga (I don't know if manga and anime are different) many years ago, and for what I remember I liked it, even if it wasn't on par with this thread's series. But it's been so long ago that I don't remember most of it.
Also, I remember Marmalade Boy to be a huge hit in Spain. We had some anime magazines imported from Spain in our country (Dokan and Minami) and they always talked about it.
There's also Urusei Yatsura; I didn't personally like it, but everyone loves it. So you should check it out and see how you feel about it. From Rumiko you also have Maison Ikkoku, I haven't seen it but it's held in huge regard by those who did.
One of the other best known romance anime ever is Kimagure Orange Road, Madoka is wildly considered one of the first Tsundere characters, but before the characters fallen into that category were flanderized.
Then you have Oniisama E, the anime was directed by Osamu Dezaki, which is one of the best directors there were (sadly passed away not that long ago). Also, if you want to broaden your horizon a little, you could try Versailles no Bara ("historical drama romantic anime", it's not just about romance), and the same goes for Shoujo Kakumei Utena (and, of course, if you are willing to accept mahou shoujo, then there's Sailor Moon and Magic Knights Rayearth).
You also have a few incredible movies from Ghibli, namely Mimi wo Sumaseba and Omohide Poro Poro. Those are a must.
And if you want anything that wasn't animated before the century changed, then I guess you could try either Paradise Kiss or Nana, but it's not for everyone's tastes.

>>145164477
So we should say "regardfull" instead of "irregardless"? :P

>>145169053

Kodomo no Omocha was brilliant in the first 30 episodes or so of the anime. Then it kind of stalled out and didn't go anywhere. I stopped watching well before the end.

>>145169053
The romance is such a tiny element in most of the shows you list, I wouldn't really call them "romances," not in any traditional sense anyway. Like Urusei Yatsura couldn't really be called a romance first, it's much more a comedy. Even in Whisper of The Heart, despite it being one of my all time favorites, the romance is probably the weakest element.

>>145169757
The romance in Mimi wo Sumaseba is what prompted the main character to write. Everything happens because of the relationships. The Baron is there because of the relationship of the grandfather with the unknown German woman. The story she writes becomes about lovers drifted appart. Everything is classic romance Shoujo in that movie.

Urusei Yatsura might not be romance, Versailles no Bara and Utena probably neither, same goes for Rayearth; but there's romance there, and I clearly said that in the last three's cases you might need to broaden your horizon, that is, it's not simply about romance. In Sailor Moon, on the contrary, everything is about Usagi and Mamoru's relationship, even if it's disguised as a mahou shoujo with sentai elements.

All the others are either exclusively about romance (Kodocha, Marmalade Boy, KOR) or romance plays a huge part on the plot (Oniisama E, Omohide Poro Poro, Paradise Kiss, Nana). I'm not sure about Maison Ikkoku, but Wikipedia lists it as romantic comedy.

>>145169627
Yeah, I felt the same with the manga. That whole arc with the main character somehow depressed and even running away from home. But the beginning was hilarious.

>>145170219
Hey I'm not trying to call you an asshole or anything, I'm just saying I wouldn't categorize most of those as "romance anime."

That being said, I don't really have better suggestions. I really just don't think anime does romance very well. Kare Kano is the only show I can think of where romance was the primary focus and I actually thought the romance was good. So maybe opting for "anime with romance in them" rather than true "romance anime" is the best we can do.

>>145163610
lovely complex is pretty good, but that might just be nostalgia

>>145170444
And I was opting for "anime with romance in them" to begin with. I would categorize at least half of them as romance though. You can't say that KOR isn't about romance, if it's not about that, what is it about? Same goes for Marmalade Boy, Kodocha, Nana. And in some others I'd say that they are as much about romance as they are about drama. The ones that are far fetched in my list are, as I said, Urusei Yatsura (although my understanding is that romance plays a role later on the story, but I never got there), Versailles no Bara, Rayearth and Utena.

>>145169053
I didn't really enjoy Maison Ikkoku's romance, it was pretty much "will they, won't they" and misunderstandings galore until the end.
So far Karekano is the only romance-focused animu I really got into, I hate how often the love story is mostly one-sided and I just enjoy the characters getting closer while being companions in the context of a bigger picture, even if the build-up is slow as fuck (like in Banner of the Stars).

>>145172698
Well, on that line of "will they, won't they" you have Love Hina, almost everything Katsura did (excepting Zetman), Ichigo 100%.

Another example of a romantic anime I liked is the original Ah! Megami-sama series. The problem with most of romance stories made by men, although, is that they usually degenerate into harem.

Rec was one of the first anime I watched a decade ago, and at that time it seemed like a good romance. That is probably completely wrong but maybe not.